protection

[teal swift]

Dang

Get a big fluffy axe

So we can snuggywuggy in keys wuw

Go read some eleceed

It's really really good too btw

[strange wedge]

what'd Roidstack get banned for btw

[grim pilot]

Idk I went 3 chapters

was kinda bored

[lusty grotto]

who?

[grim pilot]

fury warrior

[lusty grotto]

how would we know lol

[blazing condor]

id imagine they broke the server rules

[strange wedge]

ye but what'd he break

he shitposted a lot though

wait this is prot

[grim pilot]

I imagine https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305 would know better

[strange wedge]

why does this keep happening

[grim pilot]

:xdd:

[teal swift]

4 letters, we can't read

[strange wedge]

I just assumed this was fury because I never click on any of the other channels

[toxic pewter]

I assume if you are posting offtopic too much you will get banned

at the end of the day we must stay on topic

[strange wedge]

ye prob

[grim pilot]

It cant be just that

[strange wedge]

was also wondering why fury warr chat quieted down so much

[teal swift]

@strange wedge was he banned yesterday?

[grim pilot]

I doubt he'd get banned just for posting off topic

[grim pilot]

like 3 months ago

[teal swift]

There was like 20 bans last night in fury

Ah ok

[grim pilot]

wait what

really lol

why

[teal swift]

Uh, it was pretty last night

Has to go to 60s slowmode

[lusty grotto]

@waxen frigate do you know why he got banned?

roidstack or w/e

i searched for his msgs and found a lot of Nish instead

[grim pilot]

I heard he got banned for shitposting and spreading misinformation but like, idk and idc

[lusty grotto]

apparently nish is a commited fan

welp it be like that sometimes

[strange wedge]

earlier today I couldn't even see my message after 5s

so many people hating eachother for their choice of tier set

[teal swift]

Just don't lie and give people bad information that ruins their character or life

That's like the most important thing

[strange wedge]

I think it's because he blended chicken

[lusty grotto]

if thats the case, it sounds like a justified ban

😎

[teal swift]

Cute anime emoji in skyhold

One of the admins is based

[rocky iron]

Need help on deciding my vault please. Tried simming but Im too basic to figure it out. I all ready have BIS back. Swap shield or get a socket?

[lusty grotto]

swap shield

[teal swift]

Take shield

[lusty grotto]

you cant sim shields

[teal swift]

Shield is more damage, more tankiness

[lusty grotto]

myth shield > all

[rocky iron]

thanks guys

[teal swift]

🫡

[rocky iron]

when should i be swapping specs (and which spec to swap to) to optimise loot drops?

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you need

if you swap to fury after that shield

you can still get 1 handers

but no rageheart

if you still need rageheart, you should probably stay prot

[teal swift]

If you havnt, getting yourself a gholak on normal or higher will be bis for you

[rocky iron]

kk thanks

[teal swift]

Now that you have a shield, you're just basically deciding what trinkets you want, so set your loot spec for that accordingly

[rocky iron]

amazing

[teal swift]

You can hunt for a gholak from normal+

Or can even craft a wep and fish for DPS trinkets

Or you can go for cheat death + whatever.

Getting shield is based af

[ocean reef]

Vil moment

[teal swift]

Pog

[waxen cradle]

So just sayin the fact that people are actually voting for the S1 tier set mildly makes me lose faith in the human races ability to continue

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

[waxen cradle]

Take those drunk fools keys away they cannot be allowed to drive

[lusty grotto]

luckily we NA have got yall covered

[plush tendon]

America saving the day again

along with Fantasy Land Canada

[lusty grotto]

freedom

[blazing condor]

i for one miss being able to use this emote

bring back s1

[lusty grotto]

ah

time for a socket

[blazing condor]

[lusty grotto]

such a great vault

for a socket

ah actually

not a socket, those are shoulders

ok so it could have been worse

[blazing condor]

pog

[spiral bloom]

Hey prot bros. which tier do you guys want?

[blazing condor]

s3

look in the pins for reasoning

[spiral bloom]

K ill throw one point in 3 for ya

[blazing condor]

cheers

[lusty grotto]

chipadin got myth helm, dh got myth EB branch

it was a decent vault

[uneven mason]

I apparently didn't run any keys last week

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

[uneven mason]

Life happens

[grizzled nova]

3rd bust in a row sadeg

guess I can take a myth gorehowl if I decide to play fury for some reason

[round cliff]

am i supposed to actually consciously do smth with the tier bonus

cuz i just let it rock tbh

[plush tendon]

you should make sure that you keep bleeds on the target

[lusty grotto]

yeah pretty much just make sure you TC when you proc it

to reapply rend

[plush tendon]

thats pretty much it

you dont really need a weakaura to tell you either

just pay attention to plater frames

[round cliff]

just press tc when i hear the squishy sound

[edgy bone]

is the 1h axe from Fyrakk really good?

[restive scroll]

bis, over even higher ilevel weapon

Normal one is better than 489, apparently

[teal swift]

Effect is worth about 20ilvl

Once you get it on normal, only upgrades are more gholak.

Even lfr is about the power of a heroic raid wep

[edgy bone]

wow

[teal swift]

It's give or take, assume it's like 17-23

But my 463 gholak is about equal to a 483 lol

Of course you should sim yourself.

But yeah gholak is nuts.

[grizzled nova]

press ignore pain a lot

[round cliff]

i do that anyways

i mash that shit

[teal swift]

@round cliff what's your pfp from

It's really cute

[round cliff]

i can give u the artist sec

will dm

[teal swift]

Pog

[grizzled nova]

pay attention to gaming it with fervid consumes and reapplying rend with tclap resets immediately, then

[fleet parcel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1M8qXWCn7tDQ9kGr#fight=9&pull=15&type=damage-taken&source=4&start=13909264&end=13928782&view=events

Anyone have any idea what the fuck it means to deflect a physical attack?

[round cliff]

parry?

[thin silo]

parry's listed separately

[teal swift]

Nullifies the damage, but doesn't reflect it back

It's just parry

[thin silo]

which is presumably why they're wondering about it applying to a physical attack

[teal swift]

It wasn't a physical attack

It was hateful charge

It's a spell that uses melee hit tavke

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=224188/hateful-charge

Physical school spell

[torn gulch]

tree grip in DHT is actually a joke

[teal swift]

@steady karma is this correct?

[torn gulch]

how is that spell the way it is

[trim bay]

Yea you shouldn't take more then 1

[thin silo]

I suppose that's the sloppy-ass nomenclature we should expect from a 20-year old game

[trim bay]

I don't see the issue with that

You can dodge it.

[median tulip]

Kinda stings on high Tyrr

[trim bay]

Get one of the 4 other people not doing anything to soak 1

If you leap away for breath the tree isn't to bad. Wall every second I believe, demo trink, healer external etc. pool your rage so you can IP

[median tulip]

On Tyr weeks I just run Immovable Object and have Shield Wall for all of them

[fleet parcel]

so is it determined by your parry chance?

[teal swift]

I have no fucking idea, it's why I pinged the theorycrafter

[fleet parcel]

Ok thanks

[torn gulch]

yes i was at like 3M+ effective HP and procced

actually ridiculous

on a 25Tyr

i still need to learn a lot of finetuning for these kind of situations
tree boss in DHT
deios in rise
third boss in throne

etc

yazma i managed to learn to a degree i just need to finetune boss movement

[trim bay]

tree boss?

like the first boss

[torn gulch]

second

[trim bay]

oh

[torn gulch]

oakheart and his mighty grip

first boss is free for me

[trim bay]

walk the green shit out b4 it casts. charge back in. yea was going to say

u could LOS behind the tree on second but they fixed it

[torn gulch]

i jump all breaths and focus cd's on grip alone

[trim bay]

it shouldnt slap that much

[torn gulch]

it does

500k+ per tick on 25 tyr

[trim bay]

like on a 25 tyr i was rarely under 50 percent

on a crush

unless im on drugs

ill check log

[torn gulch]

again i am not that good yet

i am learning

season is long i have time

[trim bay]

oh i didnt mean that. im flor pov most of the time.

[torn gulch]

first season i am pushing seriously since nyalotha

[trim bay]

healer might need to focus u more. could be that simple

[torn gulch]

and he does but he told me that he has to prepare for aoe as well and told me to depend on my cd's a bit more

he is aware he's a 3.5k resto druid

very good

[weak snow]

can i prevent to lose too much life from being thrown on another player second boss DHT?

[tribal wharf]

what is the deal with the leap on that anyways

have to leap far away i guess

[blazing condor]

You can leap it if the player that the boss throws you on is far away

[blazing condor]

Not really. You can heroic leap but youre better off heroic leaping the nightmare breath

[tribal wharf]

but its you have to leap far is what im saying

[blazing condor]

You just leap

[tribal wharf]

to just even do it to begin with

[blazing condor]

But you can leap at all if the player is too close to the biss

[tribal wharf]

leap does have a minimum range requirment for cursor

8 yards or somethin

[blazing condor]

Yeah so you just leap minimum

But you dont do that anyway

[tribal wharf]

i mean, diablo 2, beserker, for the first few lvls it has a very short range

im torn if a leap ability should be short range or long range,

[lusty tiger]

When r we playing d2?

D2R is dope

[tribal wharf]

i dont got enough gear for hell basically

but yeah, its a fun game

[teal swift]

When you quitting

😠

[teal swift]

D2R melee community pays well lmao

[tribal wharf]

i wanted to do my tw and look at tree dragon mount

[teal swift]

POE pays like chinese slave wage hourly like $0.10 or less lol

D2R if you know what youre doing pays about $50 an hour

[tribal wharf]

i'll do tw boxes

[lusty tiger]

Wdym?

Currency farming for rmt?

[teal swift]

kind of, ARPGs are notorious for assessing value

RMT is illegal :sus:

but yeah, D2R pays much better if you know the right people

[lusty tiger]

😕

Ok

[mortal tundra]

@teal swift gn

[tribal wharf]

honestly, i just join free loobies

[lusty tiger]

You should join me in some Baal runs

[tribal wharf]

people always dsropping crap in those lobbies and if i have some garbage low lvl yellows or uniques i never use, i drop them

thats my overall goal is to kill hell baal once

[toxic pewter]

they got cow level in there

back in my day we kill lot of cows

[tribal wharf]

im still quite serious about wc1 on bnet

i would be purcahse it like hour 1 it come out

[teal swift]

gn sweetie

[tribal wharf]

wc1 wc2 d1

[teal swift]

D1R when

[mortal tundra]

hope u have a great day and do some m+

[tribal wharf]

even diablo 1 janky is fine

[lusty tiger]

D1r lol

[teal swift]

im gonna play OW2

[mortal tundra]

oh no..

[tribal wharf]

like im not sure how much wc1 i played

but i know i cheated all of wc2

[teal swift]

wow feels kinda dead , like no one i wanna playh with on NA

[strong forum]

Feels NA man

[lusty grotto]

nope

more like people dont wanna play with them

id assume

NA is very much alive

[teal swift]

Bro

Stop being such a jerk???

like idk why you single me out and pick on me

but im getting tired of the harrassment

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rain-didi-and-joshie-anime-gif-25014867

[lusty grotto]

nobody mentioned you

maybe dont reply to me, thats actual harassment

[strong forum]

From what I took as banter turned instantly into something serious real quick

[teal swift]

Its not banter

it happens several times a day

[toxic pewter]

it is carry over from earlier

[teal swift]

earlier, they said the family who are bigoted and hate me becuse im LGBT, actually hate me because im a weeb

idk

its digusting

[lusty grotto]

i mean the chat has a history, feel free to link to admins

i never delete anything

[teal swift]

I aint a snitch

I just want you to leave me alone

[lusty grotto]

then stop complaining

[teal swift]

https://tenor.com/view/86anime-frederica-eighty-six-derica-squint-gif-25166025

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

everyone on during it knows what i was talking about

its about spamming these garbage gifs

[strong forum]

Let's just move in

I mean on

We aren't that close yet

[grim pilot]

where are u moving in

[teal swift]

You're invited to canada L O L

[grim pilot]

:xdd:

[teal swift]

if you have a cat, we can accomodate

[grim pilot]

man I want discord nitro so I can send all these emotes

[strong forum]

Can't send em in here anyway

[grim pilot]

wdym

[teal swift]

Custom emotes are only enabled in #off-topic

[grim pilot]

cant send :xdd:?

[strong forum]

No nitro allowed in skyhold

[teal swift]

Stickers are though

'

[grim pilot]

sas

[strong forum]

Yeah but who the duck uses stickers

[teal swift]

Me lmao

[strong forum]

Ig

[teal swift]

Wait i cant post this one here

id get timed out

let me dm it to you

[teal swift]

This looks familiar

[tribal wharf]

thats true

[teal swift]

wasnt this some mid 2000s youtube meme

[tribal wharf]

i deleted all my really dank memes

some of them albiet funny, were, erm, off color,

[teal swift]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/the-annoying-orange

nope was 2009 lol

[blazing condor]

Yogi the type of dude to have a full folder of pepes labeled ”top keks”

[teal swift]

:susge:

[tribal wharf]

some time in SL i deleted all the really good ones

i dont download ones i would get banned for any more

[blazing condor]

Honestly if u havent experienced shitposting with reaction images on an internet image board uve been missin out

[ruby musk]

They should all be off-colour, he's orange.

[tribal wharf]

there i did another scan and purge of nasty memes

[waxen frigate]

Remember when there was an annoying Orange show with Toby turner on Cartoon Network

[teal swift]

I didn't have cartoon network unfortunately

[waxen frigate]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Fructose_Adventures_of_Annoying_Orange

This shit had 60 episodes

[warm plinth]

Go watch Saladfingers

🙂

[blazing condor]

Holy boomer

[warm plinth]

Or Llamas with Hats

Both great

[tribal wharf]

i do like creepy but i dislike salad fingers besides commentary on it and first watch through of new episodes

his work, alot of it is i want to see it once and forget it, very strange artist

[lusty grotto]

that sounds like me and meat canyon

i just cant watch it

[warm plinth]

Big uppies on my woyer this week

[lusty grotto]

nice gz

[teal swift]

Big grats

[tribal wharf]

theres my weekly wow

i got a snake

[warm plinth]

I got good vaults this week

Mage: hero balefire branch :LETSGOO:
Hunter: myth track gloves to replace hero
Druid: myth track crab to replace my 447 idol of the dreamer :keks:
Warrior: myth track tier shoulders to replace champion
Paladin: Myth track gloves to replace hero
Rogue: myth track weapon to replace hero MH (and hero MH will replace champ OH)

[teal swift]

@warm plinth I didn't get vault

[warm plinth]

[teal swift]

Games not very fun when all my friends aren't online but Christmas and New Year's are done

So people should be back soon

Game is unplayable soloQ

[warm plinth]

Tell them to quit being little bitches about it

[teal swift]

Yeah my healer and DPS had to travel cross country for Christmas and newyears

[tribal wharf]

whenever i get modded xbox from there its pretty much some day get vr, and s ome day get hacked gameboy/psp or steam deck

and then like, never need to think about games again, got a millioni want to have emus for

[teal swift]

Yogi you should leave wow behind

[tribal wharf]

how come this is why would i do that

have taken breaks from tons of games

[teal swift]

You have more fun

Doing anything else

Here's a new profile pic tho

Go use it

[tribal wharf]

nope im after playing a different game

[teal swift]

Disappointed

[tribal wharf]

they are games from like 2008 to 2017, c++ crappy games all made by 1 guy

essentially what they are

Lemmy Lizard vs The Mecha-Eggs one of them. ya, i'm not totally leaving you guys for these bangers

just, apparentlyt there is 2800 of them, want to try as many as i can

[honest acorn]

does spell block immune you to all spell damage? or just things cast directly on you?

like the bear roars in dht

[warm plinth]

#protection message

[honest acorn]

oh it literally is spell block

lol, ty

[warm plinth]

❤️

[inland lintel]

tips for DHT tree boss?

[lusty grotto]

leap the breath

cycle cds for grip

wall + sr for one

external + sr for the other

if no external consider holding demo

[inland lintel]

thank you!

i actually didnt notice its magic dmg so Sr is mandatory

thanks!

[torn gulch]

you have SR on every grip

so you use it on every grip

[median tulip]

On Tyr weeks I run Immovable object so I can Wall every grip.

[torn gulch]

i play cheat death trinket in DHT on high tyr

[toxic pewter]

lol

[lusty grotto]

@jade socket

[warm plinth]

<@&257983573498265600>

[teal swift]

@steady karma

Can you kill it

[steady karma]

you don't need to ping individuals, the role call is fine

[warm plinth]

We have vanquished the beast

[teal swift]

Didn't want a warrior to get scammed 😦 sorry, saw you were around

[warm plinth]

Arch I was very satisfied reading that guy arguing w/ you on the fury bonus post

He sure thought you said a lot of stuff you didn't say

[steady karma]

happens all the time on the internet

[lusty grotto]

sorry i was looking for Eyir and couldnt find it

forgot about Val'kyr

ty ghash

Sorry vil

[warm plinth]

fuck eyir

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @warm plinth

[lusty grotto]

lol

yea

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure i remembered Eyir jus because of that

[warm plinth]

valid

[lusty grotto]

i was like fuck, there was a mod global ping

"its probably eyir"

so i tried pinging eyir but was about to start a fyraak pull and thought the mod ping was removed somehow

[warm plinth]

just tell the mods you hate them already Nim smh

[lusty grotto]

lol

[next flint]

Question about vault choices - Myth track helm [would catalyze into tier] or Myth track Stonescales?

[sick sentinel]

Burn it

[lusty grotto]

myth track stonescales doesnt do shit

its literally the same effect

there's absolutely 0 reason to consider it

maybe when you have everything else upgraded

small primary stat gain

[next flint]

Thanks - good point and I hadn't really thought about that

Really appreciate the input

[lusty grotto]

are those really your only 2 choices?

myth helm is pretty solid

[next flint]

Myth track boots as well

[lusty grotto]

one of the 3 biggest stat pools with chest and legs

nah helm

[next flint]

I'm just getting into 18+ keys - Tankiety

[lusty grotto]

thats fine, just get helm

[next flint]

Finding I should have gotten over this tankiety long ago, but alas - taken me a while

[lusty grotto]

helm being myth due to ilvl will buff the head enchant a bit too

[ashen coral]

I wonder if accelerating trinket would not be better for me than augury

I looked at sim and I saw than in aoe, myth augury deals ~1% more damage than hourglass and ~3.7% in st (less negligible here)

But for accelerating it is done mostly by haste while augury is an effect, which means that leech and BV are more affected by accelerating than augury, and more haste means more rage + more sb uptime and all

Anyway it is close enough to look for a myth shield for vault now at least

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what im looking at here

[ashen coral]

In the sceeens i first lines are for if take augury, arceried lines is for the trinket from fall of galakrond

I wanred to compare the two trinkets

[lusty grotto]

still confused

i might have missed part of the conversation or something

17 fucking stacks in p2

thank god for dwarf

17 stacks literally halfway through p2

jesus i hate pugging

[ashen coral]

To sum up what i wanted to say, I found that despite augury deals more damage than sandglass, the difference is small and most damage comes from the effect for fyrakk while for the other trinket it comes from stats which is better defensively because of brutal vitality and leech which do not count trinket effect

So i wonder if it would not be better to keep sandglass in my case

[lusty grotto]

brut vitality and leech shouldn't even be considered

when it comes to defensiveness

its such a small part of it

haste due to sandglass vs augury means you need to play perfectly

augury does not need perfect play

theres absolutely no reason to keep using sandglass, nothing you are mentioning should be worth considering

if you play exactly like the sim, then go for it sure

but you wont

and if you are staring at an augury in the vault

and youre not instantly taking it

i... would be at a loss of words

[ashen coral]

This is a good point, i sometimes do not see ss reset at times or outburstwhen things are too fast

[little kernel]

hell prot enjoyers I got a quick question I was tanking a 25 brh for some friends last night and when we got to the spiders their venom was doing so much damage that if my healer wasn't good I would have just died right after my friend mentioned he healed a prot warrior who was able to "immune" the venom and idk what in our kit would let us do that am I missing something there?

[ashen coral]

If i see it i take it, but now that the difference is smaller, myth shield may be a higher priority, and then i can still try to get augury by raid

[ashen coral]

Not in our kit but if you have fyrak tank trinket, or any other shield effect you don’t take stacks

[little kernel]

oh

that would do it thanks

[ashen coral]

I learnt it last week thanks to this channel and it changes things a lot

[little kernel]

got the auger out of the vault but no tank trinket luck yet

[ashen coral]

Also if healer has a shield it also works, if your hp bar doesn’t fall at all you don’t get stacks

[ashen coral]

Try to solo tank fyrak you will have more chance to get your tank trinket as there is not a tank who looks for it

[little kernel]

im pugging it every week for axe anyway

[lusty grotto]

the shield thing works also works on dawn's anomalies

this thing

[little kernel]

oh thats huge

[lusty grotto]

it does not cast it on you if you have a big shield

or rather, its deflected

well maybe deflected is not the right word

its just not applied to you

[warm plinth]

It's basically like an AMS type effect

[lusty grotto]

any shield works for bloom

cocoon, disc shields

and of course rageheart

[warm plinth]

yeh

[lusty grotto]

fuck this game seriously

and because i was prot specced for rageheart

[warm plinth]

Why does it say off-spec

Oh augury

nvm

[lusty grotto]

yeah :\

the only thing keeping my mood up

actually theres nothing

i just dont wanna play

loot roulette with raid items isnt fun

[pallid quiver]

Just give up and play fighting fames with me instead

[lime oasis]

what reduces the cd on avatar and extends avatar buff?

[warm plinth]

There isn't anything that extends it. Anger Management reduces the cooldown.

[lime oasis]

that only reduces the cd on colossus smash and bladestorm it says

[warm plinth]

This is the prot channel sir

But it's probably berserker's torment or w/e

bottom left of the class tree

I'm not familiar with arms talents to know what is reducing it though.

I assumed they also had AM

[urban portal]

Nothing works with avatar in arms

Rather nothing gives avatar

[warm plinth]

These do

[lime oasis]

im talking prot

[warm plinth]

we don't have colossus smash or bladestorm so...

This is our Anger Management. It's different based on your spec.

[lime oasis]

it must be a bug then

[warm plinth]

Where are you seeing it say Colossus Smash or Bladestorm?

[warm plinth]

strange

[lime oasis]

yeah thats why i was confused

[warm plinth]

Does it still show that if you swap away from prot and then back?

[lime oasis]

ill have to check im in raid right now

[orchid mural]

finally! tank trink off fyrakk.

[warm plinth]

Congrats!

[radiant fox]

fresh tank gearing up

what crafted should i get

[warm plinth]

What level of content are you expecting to do

[radiant fox]

M+ mostly and some raid (casual)

[warm plinth]

What level of M+/raid?

[radiant fox]

High keys (20 or higher) + and heroic raid

[warm plinth]

You can probably just go for embellishments first then. We recommend cloak/bracers w/ shadowflame

Alternatively you can go for shield first then weapon then embellishments

[lusty grotto]

shield first is probably better

if he has 0 gear

[warm plinth]

But just depends on how fast you normally get into the higher shit

[lusty grotto]

well it doesnt matter cause crafted shield is 3 ilvls over a capped hero shield

unless hes rushing mythic gnarl, which he isnt

but obviously he'll need the aspects

[warm plinth]

Yeah, idk. I don't like spending aspects on crafted shit first tbh. I would rather upgrade

[radiant fox]

what do you suggest then

maybe a shield can help me tank more

[warm plinth]

I mean I personally would go for shield/weapon just because I'm impatient

[radiant fox]

starting 10ish keys or higher tomorrow

[warm plinth]

And I don't like trusting it to RNG that I'll get them

But realistically you don't need an insane shield to do 10s

[radiant fox]

agreed

then cape or bracers it its

with shadowflame

[lusty grotto]

i mean

he has a 381 shield...

base spark is 450

iirc

[warm plinth]

🤷 he can craft that if he wants; we have what, like 6 sparks now?

[lusty grotto]

yea

seems wasteful not to go shield but yeah hes paying his sub

[radiant fox]

aight thanks for your suggestions and help

[warm plinth]

Np

[modern gazelle]

do we gain any benefit from tanking multiple targets in raid?

i cant think of a reason why we would but figured id check if im missing something

[warm plinth]

More CDR on Demo Shout I guess

[lusty grotto]

it depends on the scenario

itf stacks for example, but they are probably having capped itf if theyre bunching everything up anyway

[warm plinth]

probably have melee dps near you already as well

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[waxen cradle]

Gotta love going back to Need/Greed huh? At least when I got fucked from personal loot all I had to blame was myself

Honestly I don't like either system Need/Greed or Personal Loot, but whatever the answer is this aint it

[lusty grotto]

i prefer this type of loot to personal

personal was way worse with my luck

[waxen cradle]

yeah of the 2 if I have to pick one loot system I prefer this one, but it does leave opportunities to get boned as well

[lusty grotto]

the problem with personal loot is that it made a roll for which loot to drop, out of a huge loot table because it needs to factor in EVERYTHING, and out of all that gave it to some randos that probably wouldn't have rolled otherwise

but i do agree

it would be good in LFR at the very least

just not in higher difficulties

its just no bad luck protection on stuff kinda feels bad at this point, at least for me since ive played for so long

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I agree

[lusty grotto]

im basically just thinking that i should go into recruitment once more

because im just not gonna get much if i keep pugging

[modern gazelle]

yeah mostly meant specifically tanking the mobs not just hitting

[dusky canopy]

Today is a good day @lusty grotto

[ionic fern]

Someone give me the good news and tell me that S1 set is not winning please.

Can't check the poll myself atm.

[dusky mica]

EU

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-god-need-tomboy-not-like-this-torment-gif-14128414539717779752

[dusky mica]

Can't see US, someone else will have to do it.

[vast forge]

are there any other damage trinkets worth using in rise since csb is so shit in there or might as well just use prophetic stonescales? other trinket os augury

[ionic fern]

Rezans/Branch are also both solid.

[novel temple]

Bruh, fuck my vaults

I got the throne neck at veteran, but got myth legs as my high end key I did last week

I still just need a neck

[ionic fern]

Craft it.

[novel temple]

Oh shit. You right

[novel temple]

Can I craft shadowflame on a neck?

[ionic fern]

No.

[jagged pier]

food pocket tho

bis

[novel temple]

Rip, I got no food pocket

Or should I just craft lariat instead?

[jagged pier]

no

u dont craft lariat

how do u not have 2 shadowflame already

[novel temple]

Haven’t tried to craft yet

[jagged pier]

eh?

[novel temple]

Put it on the super back burner

Also don’t know what to do with public orders either

[jagged pier]

but thats still irrelevant u should have 5 crafts

so u should really craft your emblishments

neck with food and rings

[novel temple]

Like do I tip, do I just see if someone in the guild can craft it, do I just level my crafting up to get it

[ionic fern]

What ever floats your boat.

[thorny stone]

He is replying to nome

[ionic fern]

Not sure what Nome wrote.

But that's a ...special take.

[jagged pier]

forced him back into dragon roar?

we never left it

eh

[ionic fern]

"i liked powerful shockwave".

[thorny stone]

Basically the message pinned

[ionic fern]

How does that have to do anything with tier?

[jagged pier]

well u see he thought the points in capstones fo shockwave do somthing

[ionic fern]

Oh

I just checked his current build.

[jagged pier]

and from what i can tell he did that last season

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

no crushing force

not forthing beserker

[ionic fern]

That's a big brain build.

[jagged pier]

we being hemeraged by these ppl in the vote

[vocal nimbus]

All this voting has to be one of the laziest/resource saving moves from blizzard ever

I guess the fated concept itself already is

Just make something new

[jagged pier]

okay i just added like 30 votes for S3 dont fuck it up now boys

[ionic fern]

What's the US vote like tho?

[jagged pier]

dunno

[pallid quiver]

I can go fish it out after I finish studying here

[jagged pier]

no study just wow

[pallid quiver]

i've got like 5 more mins tho

so the split's a bit better, but still uncomfortably close

[vocal nimbus]

Im eu s1 is last

In*

[jagged pier]

thats the eu link

[pallid quiver]

looks us to me

[jagged pier]

like identical to eu pretty much

[opaque quest]

Thank god for DK its looking good. over 50% voting for the S3 set

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, like 5% difference from the earlier EU pic

[opaque quest]

Looks like DK players got more brain than the Warr S1 voters

[coarse ginkgo]

Leech worth? Sims about 1200 DPS less then Unstable Frostfire belt, little higher ilvl.

[ionic fern]

Jep + craft Shadowflame on something else.

[coarse ginkgo]

[blazing condor]

:vaulttime:

[pallid quiver]

you're a vault

gottem

[blazing condor]

boots

[jagged pier]

socket

[pallid quiver]

literally nothing

[blazing condor]

i just want some augury is that too much to ask

[jagged pier]

same

[pallid quiver]

I'd only hop back this season to nab more portals, probably. Otherwise, I'm pretty done; other games are more interesting to me than having to try and deal with WoW pugs and players in general

Especially with Uni 2 out in 2 weeks

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/same-office-sad-gif-19573853

Im still forcing my buddy to do fyrakk LFR for the legendary for me tho

[jagged pier]

just do hc

[strong forum]

i love it

"log run"

xdd

[jagged pier]

lul

[pallid quiver]

"if you dont like leave"
kicks

[torn gulch]

do i remember correctly or someone was saying that vers vs crit was like a 0.5% damage difference?

or something similar to that

[strong forum]

that depends entirely on your gear

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[jagged pier]

but its easy 🤷

[opaque quest]

It is. But i cant be arsed logging in for longer than 2 minutes to check the trading post

Or i get brain rot

[jagged pier]

true

[opaque quest]

Also getting into decent groups 2 months after the patch dropped requires more work than i wanna put in

[pallid quiver]

getting into a capable hc raid is the real hard part

[vale escarp]

US or EU voting?

[jagged pier]

they very similar

but that was US

[pallid quiver]

He beat me to it, but yeah

The only difference I've noted is that US has a bit more of a gap than EU does between S3 and S1

[lavish sphinx]

Got complimented tanking a Rise 18 key today

[jagged pier]

[lavish sphinx]

Rogue leader whispers me “I wasn’t sure about Warr tanks but you did well”

If that counts

[ionic fern]

Did you DM him back with the "Thank you. I thought rogues were supposed to be good, but you proved it wrong".

[lavish sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

I just thanked him and said we’re a good bunch

[ionic fern]

[pallid quiver]

should've gone for the toxic response smh

[opaque quest]

People thinking about comp in low keys is so funny to me

[toxic pewter]

I would’ve told em to step outside

[opaque quest]

oh

Turns out i DO have a vault

From 2 months ago

[lavish sphinx]

I figured he was coming from this angle

[opaque quest]

oh another gholak

Fuck me

[raw parcel]

Ouch.

Yeah, it'd be nice if Blizz buffed us a lil bit. ;~; Kinda sick of being the whipping boy of the tank meta.

[lavish sphinx]

Disrupting shout helps a lot

Helps me a lot

[raw parcel]

Know what'd help a lot? What we lack is utility, right? VDH and pally beat us there by a lot. What if... demo shout reduced their damage period, not just to us? That could help us bring big boy utility to groups. 😄

[lavish sphinx]

That be a dream

That’d

[raw parcel]

Shadowbolt volley about to smash into the group? Boom, demo shout. Get fucked, boss. That'd be awesome. I know it won't happen, but it sure would make it feel good to warrior again.

[nocturne vine]

I miss so much feeling good to warrior

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-the-office-nbc-gif-16114867

[jagged pier]

yer because we had more utility in S1 compared to VDH

absoulte dead take honestly

[raw parcel]

Well that's what groups want these days, utility. I didn't make the rules.

[soft plume]

what naughty things do i whisper people to get invited to 26/27 keys

[raw parcel]

Clearly offers of prot warrior themed ERP are the ticket in.

[waxen frigate]

S1 vdh

[pallid quiver]

They want "utility"

Really, they want whatever buzz word is currently popular to justify their feelings being right

[waxen frigate]

I mean vdh absolutely brings more to the table in this dungeon pool when it comes to controlling the endless amounts of casts

[soft plume]

i thought people were at a point where they exclusively invited prot pally only

[raw parcel]

That's sort of their thing, so I don't necessarily wanna swipe it, but it'd be nice to have something equally valuable but different to bring tot he table.

[pallid quiver]

Just because they're accurate this time around doesn't mean that's not what the general public wants. Most of them aren't even using any of the utility Pala, VDH, etc provide

Ultimately, what the public at large wants is to be right using whatever justifications for it, actual performance/facts be damned

[soft plume]

between kick, shout, fear, stormbolt, shockwave, shield charge i have never had any issue controlling mobs just sayin

[lavish sphinx]

Biggest difference is grouping mobs in my experience

VDH and PPally have it easier

[soft plume]

the title cut off rn is 3440 io?

so if you're not meta u really cant get the title without a stack i assume

i guess the alternative is pushing ur own key but that sounds like the slowest way to do it and then ur praying u get a dungeon u need every time

[raw parcel]

Assuming Blizzard wanted to buff us slightly, what sort of buff would you want? Jakey didn't seem to like my idea, happy to hear other ideas for things we won't get.

[median tulip]

At the start of this expansion I wanted them to make the PvP talent Dragon Charge into a general talent for us. I stand by that. A force away/knock displacement ability would have many uses in the hands of a skilled player.

The Demo shout thing you propose is also a PvP talent already IIRC.

A talent that made Spell Reflect group-wide (probably in exchange for a longer cooldown)?

[raw parcel]

I like it because it would be unique to us, not stepping on the toes of another class too hard. It thematically makes sense. It would be useful without being broken.

[ionic fern]

In the current dungeon pool it's just a few specific pulls which are easier as VDH/Paladin, grouping wise.

[median tulip]

I can see it because it would actually involve us Protecting others

[ionic fern]

Honestly, if they made our AoE silence work like the DH one, it would already be a huge step forward.

Having to actually interrupt the cast in order to silence instead of just straight out silencing is..annoying.

[blazing condor]

soon free

[median tulip]

One of the things with Warrior - & this isn't just exclusive to Protection - is that our numbers are actually okay. Not broken bad, not broken good. But there's almost no meaningful choice in our talent trees, even compared to most other specs. This is largely enforced by several absolutely mandatory talents being locked up after the second gate.

When you consider that Avatar is mandatory for all Warrior specs, it should not be a Tier 3 talent. It should be Tier 2 and central in the class tree.

Also the fucking boring Aura talents need to die

[waxen frigate]

That doesn’t change the fact that when played well Vdh and pally offer more useful group-impacting abilities in the current dungeon pool

And the biggest thing in pugs as a tank imo tends to be the potential o carry a key as a good player

Prot does not offer the tools to do that

[median tulip]

Overall though, the core problem is that the Warrior talent trees are just functional enough to have one or two working builds, without actually being useful or fun. We had more actual choices in the 7 by 3 talent system than we do today.

[orchid mural]

Anyone play tauren and is annoyed by the purple bubble put around you by rageheart? It's huge ...

[toxic pewter]

i have the opposite problem, the bubble on vulpera is too small, even proportionally

[orchid mural]

hmm

[toxic pewter]

see how tiny it is

its like all messed up

[toxic pewter]

LOL yeah whoever adjusted these bubbles is either blind or making a joke

[orchid mural]

right?

[toxic pewter]

like wtf

LMAO

[orchid mural]

i'd take your issue over mine LOL

[toxic pewter]

thats pretty obnoxious

[orchid mural]

i did a WM last night, avatar + bubble + last boss = nothing but purple on your screen

[waxen frigate]

Well, this season in particular, I would argue that out of warrior’s strengths, none of them are relevant to the dungeon pool

Compared to other tanks, warriors offer:

1. Unmatched physical durability
2. Spell reflect
3. Battle Shout

You could argue rally but.. let’s be real rally in keys isn’t very impactful

[orchid mural]

makes me feel good tho..

[median tulip]

And they nerfed Rallying Cry into the floor at the start of the season

[waxen frigate]

But this season there aren’t many notable uses of spell reflect compared to last season. There are no dungeons that are excessively blockable damage. And the meta Dps specs don’t benefit much from battle shout if at all

And then everything else in warrior’s kit is offered by other tanks as well.

[toxic pewter]

we are not the kings of physical mitigation any more, even on wcm 2nd boss vdh can last longer against them without needing to bring boss to fire

[waxen frigate]

I’ve seen both get pretty equally high

But yeah it’s not like a massive gap like it was before

[ionic fern]

There's plenty of SR bosses/dungeons this season.

[grim pilot]

vdh is even better against phys dam, no?

[waxen frigate]

But are they relevant enough to impact the outcome of a key

[soft plume]

is this really true? i've never played vdh

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[waxen frigate]

A la whatevee that dungeon was last tier

[ionic fern]

Just look at WM.

[toxic pewter]

i am not so sure we can say we are best against physical damage anymore, even last season bears were better too I think (at least in large pulls) but that was cuz infinite rage i guess

[waxen frigate]

The one in the cave

[ionic fern]

This one was my 27WM overall damage.

[median tulip]

Honestly WCM wickerman with no resets is a meme. It shouldn't get high enough to need a reset. If it does then the problem isn't the tank, it's the DPS not killing it fast enough.

[waxen frigate]

Alright fair

[soft plume]

if this was true prot warriors would get invited, the reality is spell reflect is actually only meta on fury, not prot

[waxen frigate]

Didn’t realize it was that high in waycrest

[ionic fern]

You don't really understand the sheep mentality, do you?

[waxen frigate]

^

[jagged pier]

no ppl just follow what is meta doesnt matter what actually is true or not

[waxen frigate]

Ultimately it is still largely a herd mentality when it comes to the meta

[jagged pier]

if streamers say u need a paladin

there u go

[grim pilot]

only prot players know prot is x good in x dungeon

[toxic pewter]

spell reflect is huge on prot warr

[waxen frigate]

Any spec in the game can do at least 25s with zero issue

[grim pilot]

that's a pretty narrow community

[waxen frigate]

But that’s not how the meta gets defined

[grim pilot]

most people just think its vdh/ppal or w/e is meta

[jagged pier]

prot is doing 30s

[soft plume]

no one is going to invite a prot warrior cause they can spell reflect something but people will definitely think of spell reflect on a fury for wracking pain

[waxen frigate]

Ya 25s are just like the level of reasonably puggable

Maybe it’s a bit higher now I haven’t kept up this tier

[grim pilot]

40m is A LOT of extra damage

which possibly puts prot at the top in that dungeon

[ionic fern]

The biggest issue i've had in higher keys are:
1)Some specific pulls grouping, like double/triple pull of casters around 1st boss;
2)DPS'ers dying to huge damage spikes;

That's about it.

[soft plume]

no one is inviting prot warrior for damage rn though

[ionic fern]

Warriors are scary strudy/self sufficient in most keys.

[soft plume]

tier lists say our dmg is trash too :'( and everyone loves tier lists

[waxen frigate]

See but #2 is the thing

[ionic fern]

Yes, the #2 is the thing.

[waxen frigate]

Vdh and pala can help alleviate that more than prot can

[ionic fern]

Where paladins help.

[median tulip]

the reasons that SR is so important for DPS warriors is that certain critical casts are never sent on the tank. Etch in WCM, for example, cannot hit the tank unless everyone else is dead.

[waxen frigate]

And obviously in key levels where it’s not a one shot

Doesn’t matter

But I know you know the meta trickles down because you’re smart and good at the game

Unfortunately most people aren’t those thing

[ionic fern]

Jep, I'm getting declined into +24 keys as a warrior cause "NEED PALADIN".

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it’s moronic

[ionic fern]

Meanwhile i've done the keys on a 27.

Okayyyyyyy then.

[waxen frigate]

You don’t need a Paladin you just suck ass and can’t kick

So you want the tank to carry that for you

[soft plume]

never had issues getting into 25s but i have not been able to get into any 26/27s

so i just stopped logging in for the past week

[jagged pier]

okay but thats not spell reflect being the issue

thats comminity perception

[median tulip]

I've been declined to a +18 because I wasn't a pally. I then got a group and +3d that same key.

[ionic fern]

Just give us back Safeguard.

[waxen frigate]

Imagine gatekeeping specs in an 18

You don’t even need lust for an 18

[blazing condor]

you dont even need 5 ppl

[soft plume]

you technically dont need a lust for a 26 either

[waxen frigate]

You need maybe 3

[orchid mural]

did a 24 rise last week with drums lol. ppl are dumb

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but especially not an 18 lmao

[median tulip]

I can sleepwalk 18s

[ionic fern]

Or make any of our "Overcapped IP" become an absorb on allies.

[jagged pier]

ive been gatekept done a different key and seen the same key in groupfinder still looking. or the same key but a key lvl down

[waxen frigate]

Or make intervene remotely relevant

[ionic fern]

Cause god knows we're overcapping like crazy.

[ionic fern]

Hense, "Give back Safeguard".

[soft plume]

its very satisfying when you get declined and see that same key depleted posted later

[waxen frigate]

Oh idk what safeguard is

[ionic fern]

Basically Blessing of Sacrifice from Paladins whenever you INtervene.

[soft plume]

i've even thrown cheeky notes at them when i see it

[median tulip]

Intervene becoming relevant again would be nice.

[waxen frigate]

Ngl sometimes I ego apply to keys that say “need pala or vdh” as brew and then just say fuck you, you suck, then leave group (not after the key starts, just immediately upon joining)

[waxen frigate]

Ok yeah that’s what I was picturing

And would make a ton of sense

Because right now intervene is basically a Classic ability

[ionic fern]

😦

[waxen frigate]

When was that in the game

[ionic fern]

Legion.

[waxen frigate]

I only started playing in SL

Ah

[median tulip]

Wasn't there a conduit version of it in SL?

[blazing condor]

it was in SL too

as a conduit

[ionic fern]

Mhm.

[waxen frigate]

Honestly man it just frustrates me because we have the same issue on brew

We just offer nothing special

We’re good but like

Nothing sets us apart

[toxic pewter]

rop is like our spell reflect

[soft plume]

at least brew can rop and dispell...

[blazing condor]

yeah we got spell reflect

but thats just for us

[ionic fern]

Wdym?
You offer your class /spec for the party to flame when you fail a key.

Cause not meta.

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but Paladin can dispel

[median tulip]

But yeah, it would be nice as PROTECTION Warrior to have a few abilities that actually protected others

[ionic fern]

[waxen frigate]

DK can grip

DH can chains

[soft plume]

prot warriors have literally zero interactions with affixes, no dispell and no brez, we offer nothing :'(

[waxen frigate]

Brew does nothing unique

[blazing condor]

the solution is pretty clear here guys - uninstall

[waxen frigate]

Well nothing “truly” unique

[soft plume]

but they can dispell which means they can do an affix

[toxic pewter]

still cant believe monk didnt get brez and we didnt get lust tbh

[waxen frigate]

I’d rather get clash back than brez

[soft plume]

just give warriors the ability "CPR" and call it a day

[toxic pewter]

isnt clash a talent

or am i way wrong

[jagged pier]

yer expect intuprt, 2 stuns, fear, another optional stop, hp buff, ap buff, really high mitigation for ours selves

[waxen frigate]

One that you can’t take without trolling

[toxic pewter]

yeah dang brew talent trees probablty even tighter than ours

[waxen frigate]

We really only have flexibility in capstone tier

And even then not a lot

It’s about the same tbh

[soft plume]

i think warriors are great but if its not an "in your face" asset like brez or infinite interupts no one cares

[median tulip]

Gimme an enrage removal. It would be thematically appropriate for us the intimidate mobs out of Enraged

[waxen frigate]

What of those are unique and relevant to the current season though

Like no shot you list interrupt

[jagged pier]

okay so why were we considered good in S1 if we have no in your face things?

[soft plume]

warriors take more skill to execute while paladins just mash avenger shield so i mean who are u gonna invite

because we pumped duh

[waxen frigate]

Yeah warrior is deceivingly skill based

[soft plume]

nothing is more in your face than being at the top of the meters

[jagged pier]

no its not

[waxen frigate]

You’d think it’s simple

[jagged pier]

its literally brain dead

[waxen frigate]

In terms of ceiling I disagree

The floor isn’t high though

[ionic fern]

Class is stupid easy to play right now, indeed.

[waxen frigate]

But that goes for any tank really

[jagged pier]

its hasnt got a high ceiling at all

it used to ahve one

[soft plume]

you think prot pally is harder than a prot warrior?

[blazing condor]

doesnt have a high floor

but low ceiling

[jagged pier]

they are the same

[waxen frigate]

Pally has more skill expression imo

[ionic fern]

I do - since you also keep an eye on your party.

[soft plume]

you think controlling mobs as a warrior is the same as mashing shield on pally?

[jagged pier]

if anything its harder to play pala

[waxen frigate]

With external stuff

[waxen frigate]

Ye

[jagged pier]

as theres more things to do

[ionic fern]

3 HP, do i heal that ally? Do i heal myself? Do i SOTR?

Already more decision making than warrior.

😂

[waxen frigate]

Sac, bop, WoG, LoH,

[median tulip]

I would like us to be more skill based. We should be good if the player is good at Executing the class abilities.

In other words, bring back banner.

[jagged pier]

freedoms, sacks, bops etc

[waxen frigate]

Mitigation vs healing

Ya I backtrack my point about warr skill ceiling

I’ll take that L

[waxen frigate]

Nah there’s no way banner comes back

At least not like it was

[soft plume]

idk i think we're downplaying how easy pallies group up mobs with infinite interupts

[waxen frigate]

It was way too hard for the vast majority of players

[waxen frigate]

That’s skill floor

Pally skill ceiling is giga

[median tulip]

I live in hope

[waxen frigate]

Because of externals

[ionic fern]

That's got nothing to do with how difficult pally can be. o.o

[jagged pier]

your literally mentioning 1 thing

[soft plume]

i think people are going to invite based on skill floor, not ceiling

[waxen frigate]

^

[waxen frigate]

Nobody invites based on either of those

[lyric cape]

People invite based on MDI meta

[jagged pier]

ppl invite based on community perception and io score

[soft plume]

if paladins had to scope in first person and aim their shield at each individual mob no one would invite them imo

[ionic fern]

What.

I'm lost at what you're trying to prove.

[soft plume]

its a bad way of saying if something is hard and convoluted to execute people are less likely to invite them even if in theory they;d be the best

[ionic fern]

That's not true.

[waxen frigate]

But you’re missing what we’re saying

[soft plume]

like i've always been hesitant to invite mages

[waxen frigate]

We’re saying that you can easily be capable on pally and warrior

But to play the spec to it’s maximum potential it is more skill intensive for paladins

[ionic fern]

Just look at any of the FOTM re-rollers.
All DH's rushing into frontals doesn't stop people inviting them.

[waxen frigate]

They have a deeper toolkit

[ionic fern]

[waxen frigate]

We do a little auto attack sync trolling

[median tulip]

No, people will invite the meta and then bitch if they don't execute it perfectly. Even in like a +5

[waxen frigate]

Real

[soft plume]

i dont think either are "hard" but i would argue that its easier to play pallies at a base level with infinite interupts grouping mobs freely

[blazing condor]

thing is ask anyone who only invites meta classes WHY they just invite those classes and they wont be able to tell oyu

"uuuh cus theyre the best rn"

ok

[ionic fern]

See, the issue is that you are arguing for "Infinite interrupts" - and that's all.

[soft plume]

first pull of brh or everbloom is a good example

[ionic fern]

That's...nothing.

🤔

How are either of those a hard pull?

[soft plume]

okay go watch an average warrior do those pulls then an average paladin do it

[ionic fern]

...what's a "Average warrior" and a "average paladin"?

[waxen frigate]

Tbf ive seen multiple groups brick on those just because they don’t have their kick bound or something

[median tulip]

Oh I know, I know. If I pug I often go for the non meta classes because there's a better chance your not getting a FotM rerolling mouthbreather

[ionic fern]

My average and your average are probably very different.

[soft plume]

riight okay nvm

[ionic fern]

Sure, it's a possibility.
I've also seen pallys try to do the big pull in EB and just fall over cause they keep running around not standing in COnsc.

I've also seen plenty of warriors try to do the same pull and die.

[waxen frigate]

Average fotm pally SotR/cons uptimes

We love seeing 50-60%

[ionic fern]

The hardest thing about warrior right now is trying to remember what's reflectable/blockable/Spell blockable. 😂

[median tulip]

The reliance on Consecration is what trips me up on Paladin. I am too used to Warrior and utilising movement for mitigation

[ionic fern]

Jep. Sanguine week as paladin.

Is a curse.

So much movement.

[median tulip]

Storming now xD

[soft plume]

isnt consecration on a very low CD or does it need to be proc'd

[median tulip]

It's not super long, but being outside it is bad. They rely a lot on their Mastery

[ionic fern]

It has a fairly short CD, yes. But it eats up a global + their tier is tied to a "MEGA CONSC" from time to time.

WHich makes walking out of it/recasting it even worse.

[soft plume]

at the end of the day class doesnt matter u just gotta have a stack of gamers i guess

[median tulip]

Good DPS are the best form of mitigation any tank can have.

[ionic fern]

^

[median tulip]

Which is why bad DPS piss me off so much.

"I'm going to blow all my cooldowns on this one mob right at the edge of the pack that the tank hasn't hit yet, and then run off to Narnia as it chases me! Why is this tank so terrible?"

Fuck you.

[warm plinth]

Its always the biggest burst specs doing that shit too lol

[torn gulch]

why did you lose aggro tank
oh did i unload all my dps cooldowns before tank even managed to thunderclap once?
what a shame

[median tulip]

Yep. And they never do it to the right target, either. The mob I charge and do the first Shield Slam on? That's the guy who needs to be focused down. Not whichever mob you burst on.

[nocturne vine]

Bro i feel you so fucking much

[median tulip]

I actually had a DH tell me that he was bursting on the Risen Champions in BRH because he didn't want to have to do Interrupts on the Risen Arcanists

Like... Dude

[soft plume]

is fury warrior considered meta?

idk how big of an impact the legendary has on making 2H classes picked in m+

[warm plinth]

No. Both warrior dps specs are in good spots but they aren't meta

[ionic fern]

Think it's Havoc/Aug and then a mix of Rogue/Warlock/Hunter with a mix of Mage/Pally trailing behind when it comes to "meta".