protection

[jagged pier]

u could just swap that talent and be an okay dps

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

yer

[chilly brook]

Never saw them ever say that

[jagged pier]

that was the intent

[chilly brook]

According to what?

[jagged pier]

but prot dps was middle of the pack even in dps as prot

so giving it 20% more damage makes its top damage

i mean i was there i lived it, they never came out and said it was a dps spec

they didnt want full dps 'prot warriors'

[chilly brook]

It was literally trade tank shit for dps stuff not sure how that isn’t a dps spec?

[jagged pier]

it wasnt it was basically a rune from SoD

changes your spells to do damage

thats not a whole new spec its so mains could swap without needing another set of gear

like having to have 2 2handers

and full set of gear with different stats

because u did need that back then

[chilly brook]

So why didn’t they do the same for paladins

And druids

[jagged pier]

🤷

[pallid quiver]

fuck em

[chilly brook]

Just doesn’t add up

[jagged pier]

ppl tend to not want to dps as a bear and plus druid u didnt have to swap as much gear same for pala back then

as stated this morning

[toxic pewter]

Ngl the GladLords are one of the more cringiest aspects of prot warr and prot warr culture

[jagged pier]

prot warriors literally mainly play one spec in the whole game they dont change

druids tend to play 3 or all 4 of their specs

ive not known a paladin to only play one of their specs ither

ive only ever known prot warriors to just play pro

if they wanted it to be a legit dps spec that ppl mained i probably should have been more than 1 talent or 2 they actually tune it so ppl play it. 🤷 as they didnt do ither seems like to me now and at the time that they didnt really care for the idea or concept at all

so they didnt even try and make it a 'spec'

[blazing condor]

i played rogue in 4.3 and first patch MoP, other than that ive literally only played pwarr since 4.0

[chilly brook]

That’s not how blizzard intended it

It was supposed to be a legit subspec

TLDR they just didn’t want to do the work to either properly tune it through the stance or build an entirely new spec

[jagged pier]

yer subspec isnt a spec

what

fistweaving still heals

its just a different style

[chilly brook]

Yeah but glad was supposed to be a dps lol

[jagged pier]

which still doesnt work to this day

i never said glad spec wasnt supposed to be dps

i said it wasnt supposed to be a main spec

[chilly brook]

They literally spell it out “we can’t be fucked to do it properly because it’s hard to balance”

[jagged pier]

#protection message

[chilly brook]

What part of “we love the fantasy these promise but we find it problematic to balance it to deliver the fantasy” gives off “you weren’t supposed to main glad spec” vibes?

[jagged pier]

🤷

ppl dont main a lot of classes due to bliz not tuning them

[chilly brook]

That doesn’t have anything to do with what’s being said

[jagged pier]

🤷

this conversation isnt going anywhere

i cba

i believe what i want from what i played and saw at the time u do the same

[chilly brook]

This isn’t a question of belief, blizz spelled it out that they can’t do what they wanted to do with just a talent so removing it was the simplest option with exploring options to bring the idea back in the future somehow

The blue post is there

[strong forum]

"we know you love demo lock, but we'd rather you didn't"

To paraphrase Ion on why demo lock is getting infinite reworks in wod/mop

https://youtu.be/i-4u6gn1r4U?si=ppwMj9DdfgfD0KNz

[median tulip]

Something something Meta

[toxic pewter]

exactly what ion tried to prevent is even more prevalent today

i stand with ion

[pallid quiver]

that was extremely funny to watch, not gonna lie. I haven't seen that before since I wager it's from a time I wasn't really keeping up with like Q&As and all

As he went over it, and since I have the benefit of being from the future, I understand what he was trying to get at and go over (like, meta and the like is even gone and all, playstyle's a bit different), so they were trying to both disuade people from playing things they don't want to play and to disuade people from liking a spec that was going to get dramatically overhauled, but

damn that was the funniest instant response to a question I've heard in a long while

[tribal wharf]

ah, its ogre

mistweaver hardly knew ye

[rapid jewel]

hi, I did get in a bad habbit of useing revenge very very little, is there a wa that reminds me to use revenge when my deep wounds isn't on the majority of a pull?

[jagged pier]

u dont press revenge much tbh

[blazing condor]

hooray another tc to press

[jagged pier]

u like press it mostly to fish for SS procs

wehn u have rage and an outburst proc ready

but no SS

[rapid jewel]

yeah I know, but I kinda forget to press it even on bigger pulls early on. No having deep wounds up kinda hurts my damage.

[blazing condor]

revenge seems to hover at around 10 cpm in dungeons

so you do press it a little

[median tulip]

I grabbed a Deep Wounds/Rend Plater script and rely on the colours to tell me when it really needs reapplying

[jagged pier]

I dont really thing about it tbh

i just press buttons

🤷

[blazing condor]

i just have the one for tier set where it shows me if rend needs to be re-applied

but now i dont look at it much

[median tulip]

I'm pushing TClap on CD anyway; I mostly have the Plater thing for Arms TBQH

[sick sentinel]

Someone remind me, Crit over mastery right?

[plush sorrel]

haste>versa>=crit>mastery if i remember correct

[sick sentinel]

Yeah was thinking same, Just came back to game at 445 geared up some but kinda mastery heavy eeeek

Although pretty sure it's minor

[grim pilot]

Youre 445, just pack haste if u can and dont worry about anything else

But generally just take anything that bumps ilv

You can be 40 ilv higher

[pallid quiver]

stats don't matter, if you want a prio it's in pins

sim if you're comparing gear at same ilvl

[sick sentinel]

I'm 472 rn, just need stuff to upgrade, think imma farm crit neck then should be good

Pretty sure I ran 30% parry in s2, meh, i know it don't matter much

[grim pilot]

You could be running 30% parry but generally haste was and still is above any other stat, followed by crit or vers but it doesnt matter much

[sick sentinel]

Yeah i'm nearly at the nimchip 7100 haste cap lol

[waxen frigate]

Who is nimchip

[sick sentinel]

Dunno some bad warrior

Nish ❤️ long time no see

[waxen frigate]

Do you have the legendary

[sick sentinel]

The 2h? no, came back saturday

[waxen frigate]

Then you aren’t worthy of my attention

[sick sentinel]

Riptoes

[grim pilot]

99 logs

Or quit

@waxen frigate

Flexxer

[sick sentinel]

Nish = Bish

[harsh trellis]

Legendary is worthless.

cant hold it and a shield

[sick sentinel]

^^^ Huge facts

[plush sorrel]

ah yes, the legendary wearing prot warrior

[grim pilot]

Are u using legendary on your monk

[sick sentinel]

Boosted

[grim pilot]

Also 40 kills wtf

[sick sentinel]

Brewmaster detected opinion rejected

[grim pilot]

Thats a lot xd

I have 14

[waxen frigate]

No but I am using gholak

[grim pilot]

Poor mans legendary

There are 3 legendaries this expansion

[harsh trellis]

I miss my hammer

[grim pilot]

Rasz bow, sark weap and fyr

[lusty grotto]

[blazing condor]

i have a tremendous super power to win every greed roll by rolling 90+

and then roll <10 on need

[lusty grotto]

it be like that

[sick sentinel]

WTB Personal loot back

[sick sentinel]

Just looked at my logs and yeah I'm better than you

[waxen frigate]

Ok

[vocal flame]

99 logs of beer on the wall 99 logs of beer take one down and..

[lusty grotto]

lmao get fucked nish

[waxen frigate]

Who are you

[lusty grotto]

im new

[sick sentinel]

No haste

[waxen frigate]

Hi new

I’m nish

Now shut up unless you have legendary

[lusty grotto]

true

[sick sentinel]

(Monk talking)

[blazing condor]

:yap:

[waxen frigate]

Where’s your legendary

[sick sentinel]

When I get curve

[waxen frigate]

I’ve had curve for like 2 months

[sick sentinel]

I'm in dungeons

[waxen frigate]

Ok and

[sick sentinel]

I've not played for 2 months

[waxen frigate]

Ok and

[sick sentinel]

Well how can I have leggo when I don't play

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

At least I can use it

[waxen frigate]

Can’t use what you don’t have

[sick sentinel]

Polearm user (cough)

[waxen frigate]

I have a warrior

With legendary

[sick sentinel]

And you played for 2 months

[waxen frigate]

Ok and

[sick sentinel]

[plush sorrel]

Whats your average percentage of mitigation? Does someone tracking this?

[waxen frigate]

I’ll hit you with a rock

[sick sentinel]

Check the logs

[sick sentinel]

[plush sorrel]

well i know mine are somewhat between 60% and 70%.. but i have no idea if thats good or bad

[toxic pewter]

LOL just pictured that happening

[sick sentinel]

I personally would not know, One way is to check other players I assume. Set to rankings see top prots and compare

But 60-70% sounds decent to me

[lusty grotto]

we dont typically look at that in that way

we look at SB uptime etc

[plush sorrel]

well mitigation doesn´t do dmg

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

mitigation percent isnt a valuable metric

since most of it comes from SB

[plush sorrel]

makes sense

i´ll look into my logs again

[lusty tiger]

:3

[plush sorrel]

look like i am between 60 and 80% SB uptime
but rarely use it if i am not the main target

[lusty grotto]

it should be way up

way way higher

closer to 100%

and you should use it when youre offtanking since it buffs your SS

[plush sorrel]

guess i´ve got something to improve then.. thanks a lot!

[frail zodiac]

Is prot main stats haste mastery?

[jagged pier]

no

if u want the prio, do it actually matter to much? no?

[lusty grotto]

you can also read the pins

[lusty tiger]

[frail zodiac]

Read my sarcasm

[lusty grotto]

i cant

usually people put /s for it

was i supposed to?

[lusty tiger]

You were supposed to dn

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[lusty tiger]

😄

[lusty grotto]

we're warriors not mind readers!

smh my head

[sick sentinel]

If someone mind read a warrior....

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-homer-thinking-money-monkey-cymbals-gif-16644767

[lusty grotto]

zug zug

[toxic pewter]

wat kind of sarcasm was that lmao

[lusty grotto]

salt induced back pedalling

because they were told to read the pins

🙂

[toxic pewter]

i have a premium sarcrasm detector and it did not go off at all

[lusty tiger]

Snip eht daer ot dlot erew yeht esuaceb

[grim pilot]

Nice swedish

[lusty tiger]

Kekw

What’s that mean in swedish?

[blazing condor]

thats not swedish

[lusty tiger]

Go back to

And don’t come out until you’ve got your wooden crocs

[blazing condor]

them mfs are actually nice

i dont have a pair personally but my parents had

perfect shoes to put on to throw out the trash

[lusty tiger]

Yeah eu slides

Russian clogs?

[frosty mango]

Those are classic mafia tracksuit vibes

[hazy bronze]

Love me some flippies

[lost wyvern]

lmao im doing 190k dps on my 484 prot warr on the aoe target dummies in valdrakken, and my 465 veng dh doing 290k, how is this real

[vocal flame]

VDH are BIS

[lost wyvern]

thunderclap damage literally needs to be buffed by 200% this is fucking braindead

[vocal flame]

Ok I don't feel as bad not doing a lot of 20s lol

[toxic pewter]

?

[copper minnow]

Just started playing my prot war again, around 420 ilvl but I’m having this issue where I have downtime and can’t cast anything because not enough rage and shield slam and thunderclap both on cooldown, is this normal to be not pressing anything? Or am I missing haste or something

[lusty tiger]

A +20 is insanely easy, just most of the pugs doing them haven’t paid any attention to the dungeon mechanics

[lusty tiger]

Logs

[lusty tiger]

Are you spamming ip?

[lusty grotto]

its not normal

yeah jeree might be on to something

[lost wyvern]

why you looking at unique class population

[vocal flame]

was just unique tanks

by run is even lower haha

[copper minnow]

Yeah I’m using a lot of ignore pain, more than revenge is this wrong?

[lusty tiger]

Do you know when you’re supposed to press ip?

[copper minnow]

I didn’t log any of it, what am I missing rotationally wise

[lusty grotto]

take it away jeree

[lost wyvern]

frequency by run shows what people are actually playing, always look at that instead

[lusty tiger]

💯

[copper minnow]

I’m typically using ignore pain to keep my shield at more than 50% of its max

[lusty tiger]

Don’t do that

[copper minnow]

I top off the shield if I’m going to take a lot of damage

[lusty tiger]

Use it when you’re going to over cap on rage The next global

[copper minnow]

When should I be using it?

[vocal flame]

yeah drops another 2% lol

[copper minnow]

So when thunderclap and shield slam are down I wanna fill with revenge but I should be holding onto rage and not dumping into ip?

[lusty tiger]

This is how you maximize rage spending for more damage which creates more opportunities to generate rage

[lusty tiger]

Correct

Only dump into ip to prevent over cap

[lost wyvern]

people dont know how much they're missing out on not having rally to save them in keys

[vocal flame]

I agree I love playing prot but sometimes the numbers are just staggering and I mostly pug so am having a hard time in 20+ keys

[lusty tiger]

Also remember that there are times where you are generating much more rage than usual, like when ravager is out or if your have ds and sc ready/are using them | in these high rage moments you can spam ip more proactively to prevent over capping rage

[toxic pewter]

what is your point though.. its just popularity contest... we are more than capable of doing 20s just as much as any other tank

[copper minnow]

During cds I usually never have a problem with having nothing to press but outside of it I find myself waiting for thunderclap or shield slam to proc

[vocal flame]

6.2% of us yes, plus I am numbers person maybe that is why lol

[grim pilot]

+20 difficult for pwars

[lusty tiger]

Yes so remember that you can only spam during CDs and without them you have to be much more meticulous with rage spending

[toxic pewter]

?? you realize if we are not the meta tank we are usually the least popular tank.. been this way for a long time now. Does not mean we are not as strong as other tanks

[copper minnow]

Gotcha, I’m assuming more haste will also help with lessening downtime?

[toxic pewter]

? are you being sarcastic or what?

[grim pilot]

No

+20 is hard

[vocal flame]

recently yes, we were at like 25%ish season 1

[toxic pewter]

wat is going on right now lol

[lusty tiger]

Haste helps but it doesn’t really matter, a good rotation will result in only a few dead globals per key and that’s just assuming a few minor mistakes

[lost wyvern]

the difficult part is knowing you're playing prot warr and dragging the group down with shit group utility compared to other tanks

[grim pilot]

Ye bdk has lots of utility

Outside of 1 br

[toxic pewter]

you mean it is just as difficult as any other tank though right? singling out prot warr as being difficult to do a 20 on is weird

[grim pilot]

Kekw

No +20 is hard only on pwar

[lost wyvern]

BR is huge

[toxic pewter]

ok now I know you are trolling

[grim pilot]

🤨

[toxic pewter]

we are very strong tank

and just as capable to do a 20 than any other

[grim pilot]

Man u can press w and time a 20

[toxic pewter]

saying otherwise is just going with community perception and spreading untrue situations

[grim pilot]

Idk why +20 is some sort of breakpoint

Zmok timed +21 in s1 with 5 dps

And shits easier now

[vocal flame]

I love prot like I said and I agree with you, just the numbers would be a little more even. It is more accurate to say we are just as capable as the non meta tanks

[lusty grotto]

just remember to never cap rage, but never be rage starved. Shield block is your main mitigation tool, you should always have 30 rage reserved for it just in case. IP is only used to not cap, and you can use it anytime since its off-gcd

except when youre sub 30 rage

or close to it

[toxic pewter]

lol I literally just said "and just as capable to do a 20 than any other"

[lusty grotto]

numbers dont mean capability though

it just means more tanks rerolled to other tanks

and/or are following a meta

[grim pilot]

Ye

Pwar is strong rn it just has no utility

And isnt broken like vdh

To gap for lack of utility

[copper minnow]

Huh I see I have high shield block uptime but also high ip uptime, I always assumed having ip up at all times was crucial for us

[lusty grotto]

ip uptime doesnt matter

at the highest level you will swim in rage and IP will be up all the time cause youre looking to not cap

but its uptime is not something you need to keep track of

make sure youre pressing SS on reset

SS > TC > revenge

thats the prio

[lusty tiger]

Ip uptime is meaningless, and more importantly blocked hits tells a lot more than sb uptime does about your mitigation

Yea the biggest trick once you understand how to manage your rage

Is NEVER missing a SS

[lusty grotto]

since devastator resets SS, and so does TC, you shouldn't have a lot of revenges compared to the other 2

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

the main function of revenge is to get an SS reset when both SS and TC are down

[lusty tiger]

Your are on a mission to get as many SS as soon as humanly possible

[uneven mason]

The Best way to think about IP is as an offensive rage dump off the gcd. It's primary function is to cycle rage for outburst and anger management, and this tier to proc the 2p reliably

It just happens to also aid in mitigation at the same time

[lusty tiger]

It’s our barbed shot

[waxen frigate]

It’s our 401k, follow me to escape the matrix.

[lusty grotto]

follow dn

[lusty tiger]

How about you have an 802k so you can get your money back when you’re 120 years old

[grim pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-top-g-cigar-smoking-andrew-tate-cigar-gif-26262606

[waxen frigate]

That’s me

I am Andrew-Ryan Tate-Gosling

[grim pilot]

Literally me

[waxen frigate]

No I’m him

[grim pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-literally-me-ryan-gosling-sad-thats-the-way-it-is-gif-25952586

Memory reboot playing in the background

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-gif-27058010

[waxen frigate]

Me and who

[lusty tiger]

Me

[lusty tiger]

lol

[toxic pewter]

thats me

[waxen frigate]

I just watched a YouTube video about a literal like 12 or 13 year old kid who’s parroting Andrew Tate shit

💀

[lusty grotto]

[grim pilot]

Escape the matrix

[toxic pewter]

society has crumbled under our watch

[waxen frigate]

https://youtu.be/RF1W-_kgxnI?si=O1RGf43zvvhmE7IT

I feel bad for this child

[grim pilot]

Join tate university

Pay 50 bucks

To learn how to make money

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-farnsworth-futurama-i-dont-wanna-live-on-this-planet-rage-quit-gif-4970134

[lusty tiger]

That’s me

[waxen frigate]

I’m the dean of Andrew Tate College

[grim pilot]

Im the middle g

Not top g yet

I need to grind to rank up

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/topg-andrew-tate-gif-8737092517863726335

[grim pilot]

For every 50 women called hoes you get 1 tate point

5 tate points equals bonus grade

[lusty grotto]

lol

[waxen frigate]

Noted

[grim pilot]

2% battery

Im poor

[lusty grotto]

idk why that was

so funny

[waxen frigate]

I’m charging right now (pumping matrix juice into my Elon phone)

[toxic pewter]

u guys sportin ur rolex's

i no i am

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-dollhouse-jerma985-gold-watch-gif-22819189

[grim pilot]

Rolex is for poor people

I wear bugatti 500k watch

(Real bugatti inside)

[lusty tiger]

Based

[waxen frigate]

I pull up in a new Bugatti

[grim pilot]

Man

Havent heard that song

For so long

Imma blast it now lol

Unironically I like it

[waxen frigate]

Holy shit this title

[toxic pewter]

i still prefer my rolley

[waxen frigate]

I’m gonna start slinging that at people

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck lol

[lusty tiger]

Nish is a government plant

Don’t listen to him

[waxen frigate]

Shut up

Fuckin professor of yapanese over here

[lusty tiger]

[devout basalt]

when tanking fyr'alath's bite we should still be using reflect for the DR yeah?

[lusty grotto]

it helps yea

since its blockable but has a magic portion

[dusky canopy]

For Tindral so far I’m using the graphic settings optimization from the elvui github, A WA to hide nameplates, A WA to lower particle Dentisty automatically, disabled plater, increased Details refresh time to 2 seconds, Stopped combat logging

Anything else anyone can think of?

This fight is ass bro

4090 getting 20 fps

[lusty grotto]

WAs

every single drop ive gotten on fights are due to WAs

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I still should profile my addons/WAs I haven’t done that yet

[uneven mason]

Found your problem

[devout basalt]

my 3070 isn't even that low. I'm not the techy I used to be but sounds like youve got something else going on

[dusky canopy]

It’s only a Tindral thing

It gets like 200-300 fps everywhere else

[lusty tiger]

Have you disabled raiderio?

[dusky canopy]

I can try that but I’m surprised that would draw alot of resources

[waxen frigate]

If it’s logging it can hurt performance a lot

[lusty tiger]

It kills my fps

I turn it off for every raid

I’m about to rebuild

Wanna see my part picker?

[tribal wharf]

that 1 hand sword i got is really good

haste first, versa

[blazing condor]

why'd they just remove the "reset" button on MDT

[dusky canopy]

Sure bro! Whatcha got?

[echo egret]

Anyone else experiencing a high rejection rate for pugs after reaching 3K ?

[lusty tiger]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PsMKN6

[vestal moat]

Past few weeks have been tough pugging, affixes have compliated things andi dont blame pugs for wanting multiple ways to handle incorp or afflicted which we dont bring.

[gloomy vortex]

Go cpu water cooling, similar price… this is overkill just for WoW so I hope you are playing different games and also hope you have a decent monitor.

[lusty tiger]

I intend to have this cpu for a while so I will not be overclocking it

All 3 water coolers I have gotten in the past have had a noisy af pump

I want to be able to play any game at 2k 144hz for years so I figured this would do the trick

[restive scroll]

The higher you get, the more meta people are

Wait till you get to 3k1, 3k2, 3k3

[gloomy vortex]

Yeah I don’t overclock either but I don’t hear my pump as I’m playing games with headphones?

[lusty tiger]

I don’t want to hear it ever at all

At least a few years ago watching LTT, water cooling is like 5 c cooler

My cpu should not be even within 15 c of throttling

That noctua cooler is a huge double radiator air cooler it would be wild to me for it not to be plenty

[gloomy vortex]

Each to their own, I had a big jump in temperature decrease.

[dusky canopy]

I like the rig Jeree! What do you know about the 7950x3d?

I have a 5800x3d so I’m curious what the single core performance difference is

For WoW purposes

[lusty tiger]

It owns and a new version is coming out q2 this year but I need a new comp

[dusky canopy]

Ive been considering going to the new chipset but haven’t pulled the trigger on anything yet

[waxen frigate]

I’m thinking of getting a prebuilt

[dusky canopy]

Shroud pc!?

[lusty tiger]

Wait for the new one tbh it’s probably going to be op

[waxen frigate]

https://nzxt.com/product/player-two-prime

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I’m going to wait

[waxen frigate]

Maybe this or the non-prime version

[lusty grotto]

i have no issues running at 144hz 139fps cap with a 3070 ti and a ryzen 5900x

[dusky canopy]

are you 1440p?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[dusky canopy]

That’s pretty good yeah!

[lusty tiger]

If I pay -$1000 but have to replace my computer a year or two earlier that isn’t worth it for me

[lusty grotto]

32gb of ram

[waxen frigate]

Pc nerds give me feedback

[lusty tiger]

Build your own, it’ll put some hair on your chest

[waxen frigate]

No

Last time I did anything to my own pc it took forever and I nearly broke it

[lusty tiger]

You wouldn’t need feedback if you had already built one

[waxen frigate]

(I replaced my cpu)

[lusty tiger]

You obv didn’t watch Greg’s Newegg video

[waxen frigate]

Like Skyhold???

[dusky canopy]

The only thing I don’t like about it is the lack of a 3d CPU

[waxen frigate]

Notably I play at 1080/144hz

[dusky canopy]

For gaming purposes the 3d cpus make a difference

[waxen frigate]

And don’t plan on upping resolution in the near future

But I play demanding games (tarkov, notably)

[dusky canopy]

Yeah imo gaming above 1440p is not really worth unless you’re playing a solo story driven game specifically for visuals

[lusty tiger]

If you have the money don’t skimp imo

[waxen frigate]

I don’t want to spend over 2k

[lusty tiger]

Gpu > cpu > ram | usually

[waxen frigate]

Excluding taxes

[lusty tiger]

In terms of non skimping

[dusky canopy]

Nish its solid for sure but would be nice if you could find one with a 5800x3d instead of the non 3d one

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

Probably that

[waxen frigate]

What is the difference

[lusty grotto]

just older

[dusky canopy]

Last I checked they’re actually fairly comparable x3d is roughly a 10% increase at lower boost clocks

Price difference was about 30usd when I bought mine so it was a no brainer

I’m not sure what it’s at currently

Price difference wise

[grizzled nova]

wow is ludicrously cpu bound

[uneven mason]

I mean, that's not totally true anymore

[grizzled nova]

999 times out of 1000 framerate issues in this game are CPU related

[uneven mason]

I mean, I saw a massive increase going from a 5700xt to a 7900xt

[lusty tiger]

It’s the whole cringe reason I have to get a new comp im p sure

[grizzled nova]

Sure your framerate went from 120 to 300, but your graphics card isn't the reason the framerate is dropping to 20, is my point.

[uneven mason]

It's probably a poorly written wa, and not even the cpu

[lusty tiger]

Could def be that aswell

Gotta be careful if u have a whole raid wa pack

Or if you aren’t cleaning up wa your RL is sending you

Like unneeded ones

[uneven mason]

That being said, if you have the opportunity to get a 5800x3d or 7800x3d and need an upgrade do so

For gaming the non x3d chips are not worth the investment

[lusty tiger]

I’d just wait for the new one in q2

It is gonna slap

[dusky canopy]

I am aware that WoW is heavily cpu bound yeah I’m just surprised my combo struggles is all
5800x3d / 4090 / 32gb ram / 990pro

Solid specs should smoke this game but..

[uneven mason]

It's not your system

[dusky canopy]

Then there’s tindral

[uneven mason]

Or

[lusty grotto]

caucasse's auras was dropping like 80 frames on people's PC

specifically on Tswift

[uneven mason]

Oh I know

[dusky canopy]

I know it’s more than likely WAs

[dusky canopy]

I’m going to have to play around and delete unneeded WAs

[lusty grotto]

go into LFR

run the profiler

LFR will blow up your PC because its way more people

[dusky canopy]

I use the Liquid pack

[uneven mason]

Just nuke em all and reinstall the ones you need

[dusky canopy]

I use northern sky

And I use Naowhs whole package minus raid (since I have liquids)

[lusty tiger]

Yea wa packs are convenient but can wreck you too

[dusky canopy]

And some misc ones like combat timer mouse circle etc but nothing that crazy so I’m just surprised is all

[lusty tiger]

Profiler is p good

Nuking em is also p good

[dusky canopy]

I’ve never done profiling so I’ll have to figure that out later

When I’m at my desk

[lusty tiger]

Sunni says gl

[dusky canopy]

Goodest dogge

[lusty tiger]

:3

[uneven mason]

Kira says she'll eat the bad wa

[lusty tiger]

Awww

[uneven mason]

Funny moment - pup is now tall enough to see over the counter in the washroom, so had a barking fit at the dog in the mirror.

[waxen frigate]

If you’re a tank and not involved in raid leadership you can safely delete 90%+ of raid weakaura package content

[blazing condor]

Does anyone know how the rankings for "points" for specific dungeons are calculated?

or like, why some ppl rank higher on points than others? despite time being higher/lower

[toxic pewter]

i thought it was time based

[blazing condor]

i guess its just "points" that determines it

cus we're all tied

but idk what goes into it

[toxic pewter]

prob just gives u 168 points if u timed it i guess

[uneven mason]

Are fort weeks worth more?

[blazing condor]

yeah probably a time bracket

and if you're withing x time you get x points

[uneven mason]

Sorry tryan

[tribal wharf]

i think i find tyranical weeks better designed in general

alot of kicks to know in fort

[uneven mason]

This season fort is ridiculous with the amount of brutal kicks

[tribal wharf]

and generally i hate games where majority of trash is on par threat with boss on hard modes

thats why im no longer playing the space ship gravity game

[uneven mason]

"oh missed that dot kick because there was 3 other deadly casts, guess you're without a healer until they run back"

[tribal wharf]

Jack Stauber - Buttercup or The Caretaker - It's just a burning memory is the sound track to my sub terrania hard mode runs.

that game makes me want to cry

mythic raid

[lusty tiger]

Bosses r op right now

In high keys

[chilly brook]

I mean could def be the reason why they kneecapped glad stance but fundamentally I think the idea that they never intended for glad spec to be a real mainable dps spec is silly

[lusty tiger]

Trash is easy because you can cc the damage

[chilly brook]

Every expansion dungeons become more complex because they keep upping the amount of dangerous trash

It’s kinda silly imo

[lusty grotto]

but

the amount of dangerous trash is in old dungeons

you kick 2 things in dawns lol

[chilly brook]

Legion trash design was honestly the best imo, generally simple trash with a couple specific mobs to know

[uneven mason]

Tott is almost tojs level of troll with those dogs

[chilly brook]

Old dungeons that have almost all been changed in some way

[lusty grotto]

like EB shit and DHT poison garbage is legion/reworks

[uneven mason]

I hope to never see tojs in m+ again

That last pack

[lusty grotto]

i mean it felt good to sync them for a massive refelct

[uneven mason]

Never had a trash pack just flat out murder keys bef......Zul

[lusty grotto]

i feel the fault lies with reworks

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

they just turn it up to 11

id imagine they go "hmm this dungeon is too fucking simple, lets just add 20 billion mechanics on top, that'll do it"

[uneven mason]

The tojs pack was massive trolling because people joked about how free the key was

[lusty grotto]

like i didnt consider any of the DF trash insanely hard honestly

[uneven mason]

So they added that last pull post testing

[lusty grotto]

the only thing that rings even close to a bell is the HoI gauntlets

[lusty tiger]

Pre nerf rlp trash after the first boss was intense

[lusty grotto]

hmm i dont necessarily agree

people just didnt have the gear i guess

and also fuck that one dragon

good thing hes skipable

[uneven mason]

Even now, speed running x4 for the weekly the thunder drake fucking murders non geared people enmasse

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess thats the exception

[uneven mason]

And someone Always pulls him

[lusty grotto]

well thunder dragon not so much

fire dragon

[chilly brook]

Honestly

[uneven mason]

Fire dude wasn't a problem for me tbh

I mean their breath on m0 is enough to kill a 424 mage

[chilly brook]

They just should go back to mostly simple trash design with some specific mobs/packs that aren’t

[uneven mason]

Freehold trash

Cmon

[chilly brook]

Basically ye

[uneven mason]

Just let me grab like 5 packs with easy stops

And then I'll deal with the brute and his 2 pets

[lusty tiger]

You know what they should do

Give tanks misdirect

But reverse ofc

[uneven mason]

....

[blazing condor]

you mean taunt

[lusty tiger]

So you can drop it on any spec

And they can go grab you a pack

[uneven mason]

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=50720/vigilance

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

Basically

But actually good

[uneven mason]

We literally had it

[lusty tiger]

I mean

Not really

But close

[uneven mason]

It was pretty good

[lusty tiger]

I’m talking straight up current misdirect/tricks

Go put it in the Windwalker they serpent kick to a pack and teleport back

That kinda shit would be sweet

[uneven mason]

Intervene talent? When we intervene a target we get 100% of their aggro + for the duration of the buff

[lusty tiger]

Only issue w that

Is intervene requires you to be within like 10yd

Not to mention it would give a lot more pull freedom with los spots and impatient dps players

[uneven mason]

NGL I was playing my hunter scrub alt and the tank started freaking out because mobs were just running up to him, zoomers amirite

[lusty tiger]

Haha

Owned

“Trust me buddy you got this”

[earnest canyon]

Hey everyone
Does the reflect damage get reduced by dstance?

[lusty grotto]

no

[uneven mason]

Uses raw value

[earnest canyon]

ty ❤️

[uneven mason]

Otherwise we'd have to degen gameplay like the bears are this season

[restive scroll]

Anyone know how to check what made scales proc? Can't seem to figure it out

[lusty grotto]

events in wcl?

[restive scroll]

(at least on the particular log I'm looking at, I don't know how it proced)

oh, I'm not used to events, I'll take a look

Nothing in damage taken explains that trinket proc
14:34.297 Environment Crushing Grip Teia (A: 579413) (U: 976844, M: 397431, 40.69%)Eye in the StormShield BlockBrace For ImpactProphetic StonescaleInto the FrayDefensive StanceSeeing Red
14:34.918 Teia Roiling Shadowflame Teia (A: 3585) (U: 3868, M: 283, 7.32%)Eye in the StormShield BlockBrace For ImpactProphetic StonescaleInto the FrayDefensive StanceSeeing Red
14:35.185 Vilethorn Sapling 7 Melee Teia ParryEye in the StormShield BlockBrace For ImpactProphetic StonescaleInto the FrayDefensive StanceSeeing Red
14:35.810 Teia gains Prophetic Stonescale from Teia (Shield Strength: 0)
14:35.845 Vilethorn Sapling 5 Melee Teia Parry

Idk

[lusty grotto]

log please

[restive scroll]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qma8rTH2Ydc1VR7w#fight=2

[lusty grotto]

blue line is when you procced it

00:14:34.297

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qma8rTH2Ydc1VR7w#fight=2&type=damage-taken&source=1&view=events&eventstart=2367153

the first time

[buoyant niche]

what stats do i want on prot, not looking to go past 20s so no need to min max

[restive scroll]

Hast is nice, but @warm plinth

[lusty grotto]

[buoyant niche]

oh weird, never seeen that b4

[restive scroll]

So there is a full 1 second delay ?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qma8rTH2Ydc1VR7w#fight=2&type=healing&source=1&ability=-417050&view=events

[restive scroll]

ohhh

Ok, so it did proc from the crushing grip

Thanks Nim <3

[lusty grotto]

there should be a way to make a query for it but im not that knowledgeable

[restive scroll]

yeah, that's kinda weird looking for it

[lusty grotto]

basically i just selected the aura, looked at the timestamp where it came up

and then went back to damage taken to see what happened at that mark

[restive scroll]

That's what I did too, but it's slightly delayed, so I thought I was able to finish the grip

while playing, I was pretty sure it was even during the breath, while I was away from him, so at least that makes some more sense

[lusty tiger]

Not looking to minmax, but wants to know the best secondaries 🤔

[toxic gyro]

Ilvl>haste>crit=vers>mastery

[raw plover]

any fellow tanks out there able to help me with this trinket combo decision? pls lol..... not really sure what the best option would be

[crimson umbra]

stonescales/rageheart 100%

cheat death is super helpful and rageheart is on demand shield, as opposed to ursine vengeance which you cant control

at least my opinion lol avoidance and 6 ilvl wont change much if it were me

[grim pilot]

rageheart over cheat death imo, cheat death gains actual value in giga high keys - in anything below 25 cheat death is mostly detrimental to run

[past torrent]

Ursine/rageheart

[blazing condor]

ursine/rageheart

but you ideally wanna replace ursine with a better one

stonescales is overkill if you also run rageheart and vice versa

[crimson umbra]

i guess I prefer the overkill lol

[edgy bone]

Why am I dying to the tree guy on crushing grip

[lusty grotto]

skill issue

[blazing condor]

yeah pretty much skill issue

youre not using your defensives properly

but hard to say exactly without a log

could be everything from not leaping breath to not using spell block

[chilly brook]

Because he’s probably the actual scariest boss in m+ for tanks

[wind oak]

its magical dmg so its the bane of prot

push spell reflecto

and spam some IP

[chilly brook]

So if you’re not doing everything you can and doing it well and the healer isn’t actually paying attention and helping with externals….

Glhf

[wind oak]

if you pooled some rage and using IP to keep up, you should be fine

i cant even do this sentence right

my god

[chilly brook]

Idk in higher keys it’s def a “use defensives liberally” for grip

Like IP helps for sure

But the grip slaps

[grim pilot]

Just be bdk

And bing chilling

[wind oak]

in legion it was pretty much a death sentence for prot

cant remember how we mitigated this one

[chilly brook]

With IP

[wind oak]

you do have so many tools with demoralizing shout now

IP was spammable too ?

[chilly brook]

IP was much more powerful

Yeah spammable

[wind oak]

oh it was the broken IP

[chilly brook]

Stacked up to like 7x

[wind oak]

the 90% DR

[chilly brook]

90% absorb

[wind oak]

something like this

[chilly brook]

Legion prot was literally

100% hp or dead

No in between

[wind oak]

magical dmg was just hard

i remember doing KJ first time on heroic

[chilly brook]

We had broken spell reflect then too

[wind oak]

and getting slapped hard

[chilly brook]

KJ wasn’t magic tho

We were actually good on KJ

[wind oak]

til i figured out how to use the artefact ability

[chilly brook]

One of the only tanks that could make his claw mechanic just not matter

[wind oak]

it was magical but you were able to block it the slapping claw thingy

if you didnt use it to block that it was doom

[chilly brook]

It wasn’t

[wind oak]

it was increasing physical dmg taken

but the ability itself

i'm sure it was magical

[chilly brook]

No

It was a buff

[wind oak]

felclaws

i'm gonna go look in the pokedex

[wind oak]

i'm sure it was magical

but the debuff it gave you was for physical

[chilly brook]

You might be thinking this

[wind oak]

tooltip are so bad

i cant even

its not saying what type of dmg it does

thats what i hate

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure the 40% was fire damage

[edgy bone]

Can you help me on how to tank this boss too?

The charge from Dhulu is one shotting me

[echo egret]

In my experience, the Noxious Charge is often followed by a killing blow : an unmitigated melee attack in your back while you’re going back to the other casting boss - and that’s what we can see in this death log

[edgy bone]

What's the best way to defend against that?

[restive scroll]

Not charge, and carefully move the blss back

[edgy bone]

Ok

[echo egret]

Not charging back but moving normally like you do for any boss with movement

[restive scroll]

I still don't do it on 25, but i really should:D

[echo egret]

Noxious Charge, just like the Tree’s Crushing Grip, is nature damage and you should plan all your cooldowns around it

[edgy bone]

Does spellblock work on it? the noxious charge

[restive scroll]

Additionally, the shield block that doesn't work on oakheart, it does work on the charge

[restive scroll]

I was too slow :D

[echo egret]

Yes it does

Noxious Charge every 16-17 seconds if that can help you

[edgy bone]

Yes ty so much it really does

[pallid quiver]

So they went over the basics, but really the main reason you died is because you got melee'd in the back. Remember to face the boss when he charges you, as he'll likely instantly melee you as soon as the charge is done. You don't even need to go that far out, you just need your puddle to not obstruct the other bosses. It doesn't fall off with range or anything.

Other than that, you can generally liberally use spell reflect on like every other charge, you should always pop into Def Stance if you're not already in it since you're not dealing damage out of melee range anyway, and you should rotate the rest of your defensive CDs to get the most use. Most notably, you can catch two charges with one cast of Spell Block if you time it properly.

A lot of people just keep running away until the charge happens, which doesn't really help you at all, so keep that in mind that you just get to pool safe zone, face boss, take charge, things cool

[edgy bone]

Thank you!

[echo egret]

Don’t outrange your healer

[cursive needle]

Hey guys, im sure this question has been asked 5 million times, but when do we start to DR on haste? How much is too much? for M+ only.

[toxic pewter]

@lusty grotto

[cursive needle]

Does it change if we run Into the Fray?

[toxic pewter]

you definitely want to use into the fray

after 5400 into the fray only gets better

check pins for more information

[cursive needle]

Ooo i see, thanks a bunch

[pallid quiver]

Into the Fray just gives straight percentage, ignoring any kinds of DR or anything, so it technically gets better the more haste you have

[barren umbra]

i am new to prot but if you keep up IP and shield block, are you basically unkillable until high keys?

[pallid quiver]

You'll need to use defensives on specific mechanics, but pretty much. As long as you're facing enemies, ofc

[edgy bone]

Are we able to reduce the cooldown on demo shout or impending victory?

during combat

I know thunderclap used to reduce CD on demo shout

[pallid quiver]

IV no, Demo Shout CD is reduced if you're talented into Thunderlord, but it's not worth it without newest tier set

[edgy bone]

I have the newest tier set

[pallid quiver]

Then it should be picked up as long as you're using the proper build that's in pins here

[barren umbra]

thats what i was thinking thx

[edgy bone]

nice thx

[edgy bone]

What about impending victory

[urban portal]

Cannot reduce that

You get mob kills occasionally but it isn’t significant

[warm plinth]

It's already strong enough. Cdr on it would be kinda nutty

[teal swift]

All tanks are like this.

Execute rotational correctly.
Send CDs
Don't turn back, you can ignore what healer is doing. They aren't really there to heal you

[teal swift]

It's good and solid rot protection

[barren umbra]

i feel like execute rotation correctly is kinda optional to a point too, my uptime on ip and SB i feel like is still not great and 18s tickle

[teal swift]

18s tickle every tank lol

Here's an example of a vdh, dying, and then blaming healer.

Wtb 600k hps healer.

Dude took 1.8m damage in 2 seconds 🙂

[barren umbra]

im just going to tank for my vault now, this is a joke and ez to get into

groups

[teal swift]

Yeah prot warrior is pog

[barren umbra]

i just solod last boss of AD

[teal swift]

Just never ever blame your healer lmao

[barren umbra]

from like 50% and idk what im doing rly

[teal swift]

Spell reflect is sick if you have to solo that boss

[barren umbra]

im logging back on just to check details how much it did

[teal swift]

@strong forum not witch hunting or anything. But this screenshot is such a good example of "not the healers job"

[barren umbra]

how did that happen to the dh?

[teal swift]

Didn't hit buttons

Sync'd melees

Could've hit buttons, or strafed slightly

Instead, they decided to blame the healer for not healing 1.8m damage in 2.1 seconds.

I don't have the log,

But pretty sure they just didn't hit buttons

[strong forum]

Correct

[teal swift]

Yesmeratur when

Maybemeratur in 11.2.5 right?

[strong forum]

Maybemeratur is an elf

As they only answer in riddles

[teal swift]

Maybemeratur getting the next legendary

[round cliff]

since when did heroic throw do 5 throws and have a cooldown?

i thought we threw 1 with no cooldown

[chilly brook]

talent

[lusty grotto]

thats titanic throw

[chilly brook]

^

[round cliff]

wait wtf

do we take that am i dum

[lusty grotto]

not particularly

you can but

[warm plinth]

You can, but I imagine not many do

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[round cliff]

oh right im using a sus build that was given to me

i knew it was sus

[hazy bronze]

It's nice for picking things up but I take leap CD now

[round cliff]

ive always taken leap cd

[warm plinth]

Depending on the other talents, it's probably not that sus lol. We have a flex point in the class tree that has a few different possibilities

[hazy bronze]

Yeah I took titanic over pain and gain

[round cliff]

w/ the wowhead m+ build whats the flex point here? pain and gain? sidearm? https://i.imgur.com/Hlqn409.png

[edgy bone]

Ok I figured out how to utilize CDs on the noxious charge boss in everbloom tyrannical

[lusty grotto]

pain and gain

like ghash said

[round cliff]

i want that heroic leap cd more than the tiny heal i think

[warm plinth]

As do a lot of us

[lusty grotto]

yup

[round cliff]

bounding stride all time goated talent

mandatory for all warrior builds

[lusty grotto]

id say the great majority of regulars here get leap

[round cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/jzsxty9.png whys details do this to me now

on login

[teal swift]

The details discord probably a better place to ask

[round cliff]

prob

😔

[barren umbra]

It’s funny how last boss of thrones is now the easiest, when it was being called hardest boss in the rotation early this season

Prob just low key killer but man are the other bosses harder in high keys

[golden pollen]

Flame shock is nasty

[sick sentinel]

Tips for surviving against deios?, Dying from dot damage is not fun

Heard about healer dispell but not 100%, Just infuriating in keys above 22

[lusty grotto]

@uneven mason

then you spell reflect / spell block adds

if spell block not up, wall

adds are what kills you

since the breath alone is manageable and completely healable

[warm plinth]

well

not the weapon I was hoping for, but still a nice upgrade over my 447

[lusty grotto]

idk why i was thinking about blocking lol

[lusty grotto]

gz

[sick sentinel]

I'm doing all of that and dying in a 23 and a 22

I am using my cds everything i dunno

[warm plinth]

idk, can give more advice if you have a log but not much use speculating

[sick sentinel]

On every other tank I have no problem

So i dunno, I guess prot warrior just sucks against that boss

[pallid quiver]

yeah it's because we suck and can't even +2s, all the records of prot wars at higher keys are just fakes that were hacked in

[sick sentinel]

Well I guess it is the adds as nimchip says

[lusty grotto]

yeah the adds truck

if they last a whjile and dps isnt deleting them asap

[chilly brook]

you spreadsheeted this out?

[cyan berry]

because it didn't find an encounter for garroash hellscream obviously

[cyan berry]

gigachad

[acoustic fjord]

:C

[blazing condor]

Time to reroll windwalker

[edgy bone]

Yeah man, makes it easier when you can see it. Here's the general blueprint for surviving Noxious Charge from Dhulu in Everbloom -
Charge 1: Spell Reflect + Demo Shout
Charge 2: Impending Victory + Shield Wall
**Charge 3: **Spell Reflect + Demo Shout
**Charge 4: **Impending Victory + Spell Block
Charge 5: Spell Reflect + Demo Shout
Charge 6: Impending Victory + Shield Wall
Charge 7: Spell Reflect + Demo Shout
**Charge 8: **Impending Victory + External CD (or health pot)

[jagged pier]

but spell reflect is up for everyone isnt it?

also spell block covers 2 in a row

🤔

[silent vessel]

hm i also instacharge out back to the caster guy

[strong forum]

You have spellblock up for 2 charges

Can probably even get 3 charges in a row with spellblock given that it lasts 30 seconds

And the charge happens every 17? Seconds

[restive scroll]

@silent vessel I think that was one of the issue ;)

[blazing condor]

Had a dream i was doing a key

I gotta go outside

[red otter]

which key?

[blazing condor]

Atal dazar

Had a 3 stack with an aug who flamed me for the route even though it was the same route top keys do

Then we wiped rezan and he left

Not even kiddin

[restive scroll]

You sure it was a dream? Sounds common enough :D

[tribal wharf]

i got he same sword from 4 zeros box

was fury when i opened it, so i thought i had got a 2 hand

[opaque quest]

I should probably do the 4 0s too. I still got sub for this week

But i really dont want to

[tribal wharf]

ya but didnt u time or deplete

or what was the context if there was any

[blazing condor]

key depleted when he left 😦

then i dont remember much more

[tribal wharf]

what kind of key was it and what caused them to leave

he probably died i bet

hahaha

[tribal wharf]

yeah i dunno wtf happened, but i just gave up completely on wow turn of new year

logged in tuesday or wensday (wednesday? wtf that spelling) did my 4 x 0's opened box, enchanted weapon i think did like 2 11 keys maybe 1, logged off.

[opaque quest]

Guess we went in to hard Season 1 and 2. I havent even finished the campaign for the emerald dream

[light dune]

I did all 20s and lost all interest in the game

Guess that was my goal

[vocal flame]

Good Morning All! Damn there is some serious competition getting into 11s lol

farming weekend

[opaque quest]

11s are hot for wyrms

Always been that way

Same for 16/17

[barren umbra]

I got denied from 2 10s yesterday when I swapped to prot just to get invited to 23s

[vocal flame]

yeah im farming wryms

only need wryms for two pieces that i have not been able to upgrade yet

needs to be a better way to get wryms especially if you really dont use them

[opaque quest]

There is a better way. Cancel your sub until the aspect cap is decent. Then resub and do 16s or higher

[vocal flame]

haha true

i mean i am not even that good and i skipped wryms pretty easily

[forest yacht]

how are you guys handling rezan bleed

its so much damage

especially when youre forced to los right after

[uneven mason]

Wall and dstance

Also dwarf

[forest yacht]

im a NE rip

[uneven mason]

Can you shadowmeld it

[warm night]

Coordinate with your healer about where you're going to LOS so they can hide in the same spot and heal you

[rocky bluff]

race swap to dwarf

[warm night]

Be a worgen so you can run really fast while you die from the bleed

[grim pilot]

U can ask for bubble taunt

If theres someone that can bubble

[toxic pewter]

wat

wat going on here? just cycle defensives for the bleed lol

or get an external from healer

[forest yacht]

what do we have that works on bleed besides shield wall and maybe last stand

[pallid quiver]

Defensive Stance, Shield Wall, Last Stand, Impending Victory, Demo Shout, actually pressing your buttons before the fear goes out

[forest yacht]

IV was doing like negative healing vs the bleed

[pallid quiver]

Then just die I guess, nothing we can do

[forest yacht]

do you have a log for your rezan i can see?

[raw parcel]

Question for you guys... I heard next week is a push week. I also see bursting is next week. Am I just crazy in thinking those two things are not compatable?

[warm plinth]

It's healing the same amount. Tell your healer to wake the hell up. It's literally the only healing on the fight.

[restive scroll]

The higher key level you get, the less mobs die at the same time, hence, the less bursting matters

[forest yacht]

@warm plinth oof

shamans amirite

[warm plinth]

Yeah that would be a healer issue. It's literally the only healing that needs to be done.

Aside from making sure the healer is on the same Los side as you, and making sure to rotate defensives, it's all them

[restive scroll]

Can also take a raptor to heal your self

[chilly brook]

Been playing my WW in keys, it’s fun af

[round cliff]

so is the point of cycling defensives that u can always have something up?

[round cliff]

i saw this and im like ooo

how do u get so much spell block/shield wall tho

[warm plinth]

That's not duration. It's the cooldown.

Kind of an awkward way to make the chart imo

[sweet orchid]

So a friend who is new wanted to give prot warrior a try, and did a class trial. We discovered there dont appear to be tanking dummies anywhere. Is this intentional?

They cant go to the dragon isles yet

And the ones in zandalar are phased out behind the zandalar intro

Are there more somewhere that I missed?

[restive scroll]

I know where they are in the dragon isle, but i'm not sure in the capitals

The first tanking dummy i remember about is legion, in the classhall

That should be accessible

[sweet orchid]

I only know of 4. Covenant halls, class halls, zandalar/kltiras, and the one in valdrakken. There arent any in the capitals unless I just cant find them.

[jagged pier]

i mean your hoenstly not gunna tell much from a class trial

or tanking dummies

[warm plinth]

Tanking dummies aren't particularly useful, but there are definitely tanking dummies pretty much everywhere there are dummies.

Are they horde or alliance

[sweet orchid]

Horde

And there arent any in org

Ive gone to every dummy twice

None of them deal damage

[warm plinth]

🤷 like I said, they aren't really useful. It's not going to tell him anything that a regular training dummy wouldn't

[sweet orchid]

Just feels like a bit of an oversight

There should be a tanking dummy where there are dummies

[warm plinth]

There probably should be, yes. But Blizzard is historically terrible when it comes to target dummies. Most places, they're entirely too close together. Their combat function is really awful too.

[grim pilot]

and u know, healers are just generally better and bursting doesnt scale above 15. Saw rdudu outheal like 26 stacks or smth

[spark mortar]

So what's the sexy Embellishments that we chase as Prot these days?

[warm plinth]

just shadowflame x2

we boring

[restive scroll]

That too :D

26 stacks is quite impressive still though

[pallid quiver]

Tanking dummies weren't really a thing considered when dummies were first implemented, so the main city sets don't have tanking dummies iirc. They show up mostly in the main hubs of expacs and the like, so like there's one in the covenant halls in SL for example

[warm plinth]

I would argue the higher key level you get to, the MORE mobs die at the same time because people prioritize better. And it's GOOD for bursting stacks to happen all at once, not bad.

[pallid quiver]

I find it kinda bounces in like a V pattern as to whether mobs die at the same time in pugs; around the 20-23 levels, mobs tend to stagger die a lot since people don't need to prio well to clear those keys and it has a lot of people who aren't that interested in playing their best, but if you pug on the higher end or are pushing, you definitely have things just get blanket blasted

[charred ivy]

how do you successfully leap away from breath in DHT? timing etc. i tested it out and i got hit anyway i guess i was too slow or something

[restive scroll]

I usually leap before it happens, between 1 and 0 second left on timer

You can leap after the cast though

[charred ivy]

straight backwards then? i tried kinda leap to side and it hit me

scared to hit crazy zooming dps also

[jagged pier]

u cant leap it to the side

u have to go straight back

[charred ivy]

kk. was scared he gonna stab me in back . so just place him mid and leap back. will test

[restive scroll]

And you'll kill many people if you leap on the side

[warm plinth]

I just leap when the cast starts and it works fine 🤷

[grim pilot]

yep

it might be a bit harder if you're dk

but as a war you got plenty of time

[restive scroll]

I was able to kite it long enough after the bump to dodge it, but not all bump/breath timming work for that

[strong forum]

If you talent into bounding stride you have leap for every single breath

[timber nest]

What’s the timing for leaping breath?

And how far do you need to leap?

[strong forum]

Just leap backwards away from him when he starts casting at you

I just aim cursor far away and press leap

Usually does the trick

[restive scroll]

You can watch Plka's videos for that if that helps, he does it quite cleanly

[dusky canopy]

Send help

[restive scroll]

RIP.
Got the same in 26, couldn't bring myself to do it

[dusky canopy]

we made it to the morchi wing and tried gate skipping the trash witch failed and everyone GGd

[warm plinth]

just kill it smh

[blazing condor]

Honestly

What a shit way to brick the key lol

[edgy bone]

How long is the time between crushing grips on tree boss in DHT

[median tulip]

too short to Wall all of them

[echo egret]

What’s a realistic Shield Wall cooldown already ? Like 1 min 10s ?

[edgy bone]

40s

50*

[pastel atlas]

do we play double shadowflame embelishments?

[blazing condor]

Ye

[pastel atlas]

ty

[blazing condor]

Ideally on bracers and cloak

[pastel atlas]

gotcha

[teal swift]

Dont stress which slots though

you can recraft the embellishments off

My new warrior has the self contraint that i can only use Tier + crafted gear xD + trinkets + jewelery

All plate armor needs to be crafted myself