Throw some xperl unit frames on there
#protection
frosty mango
warm plinth
Yeah recount stops recording when you die so if you die early on a boss or trash pack you look stronk
lusty grotto
might as well throw KTM in there
dusky canopy
Pretty sure my WAs use less than elvui
dusky canopy
Oh I’m sure I exaggerated based off nims picture lul
All the same it doesn’t use a lot of resources
lusty grotto
wasnt there a way to see memory allocation for auras? im sure tamas and shit like that use a ton
strong forum
Tamas is HORRID
dusky canopy
I have liquids raid pack, most of Naowhs WAs, various boss specific WAs, the dragon flying WA
All fairly easy on the resources
strong forum
Tamas pack uses like more resources than several packs combined
lusty grotto
yeah
dusky canopy
Yeah I yeeted tamas
lusty grotto
feels like it
strong forum
That shit is straight up illegal to have turned on
lusty grotto
i just have it for alts and shit
dusky canopy
Tamas was cool when we were farming rares week1 of the expansion
strong forum
wasnt there a way to see memory allocation for auras? im sure tamas and shit lik...
Press rightclick on WA minimap icon
dusky canopy
I haven’t really bothered with it since
strong forum
It'll start profiling
hazy bronze
There's also a / command if you have the button hidden
strong forum
And then you can check which of your auras is eating the most frames
lusty grotto
strong forum
That's fine
lusty grotto
master timer bar
dusky canopy
Oh that’s nice!
lusty grotto
thats tamas
strong forum
At the bottom
dusky canopy
Now I’m curious
strong forum
You can see how much % of frames you're losing
lusty grotto
i think MC distance is like some naowh shit
dusky canopy
Attack target dummy in valdreken maybe?
That’s like the ultimate fps test
You already get shit frames in Val
strong forum
Well, resource test
dusky canopy
Right
opaque quest
Not a resource test in valdrakken tho. Its mostly engine based
strong forum
It is a resource test for your weakauras
opaque quest
You get 50% usage on cpu and gpu and still get shit frames in val
lusty grotto
whew
opaque quest
Ye fair but in a raid you got 25 ppl being read not 1 mostly
dusky canopy
It’s so funny to get 200-300fps in any instanced content and then get 40 in valdraken
opaque quest
Val is Suramar 2.0
lusty grotto
yeah idk this mouse WA is kind of meh
i had an old one but saw it wasnt updated so grabbed a different one
opaque quest
I use a addon for my cursor circle. No need for WA
dusky canopy
Ultimate mouse cursor is absolutely mandatory for me
strong forum
Addon is literally the same as a weakaura...
Just separated...
It's the same script
dusky canopy
I can barely track my mouse even with the WA
strong forum
Probably
dusky canopy
Let alone blizzard icon
lusty grotto
gcd circle is kind of pointless for me since im right clicked 99% of the time
opaque quest
Ye but hes checking for WA. If he gets an addon he cheats the system and it doesnt show up
opaque quest
gcd circle is kind of pointless for me since im right clicked 99% of the time
Same. FPS gaming is life
trim bay
like 95 percent plus on a 20-25 key to 75-80.
opaque quest
My circle doesnt. Its big sad
dusky canopy
Yeah I agree that the ultimate mouse cursor has a lot of bloat that I don’t pay attention to but it helps me keep track of it I guess
lusty grotto
i find that its a bit laggier than the one i used before
trim bay
dmg intake is the same
lusty grotto
as in, it kind of trails behind
opaque quest
I just got a big white c ircle around my cursor. Like the destiny one
lusty grotto
my older wa was spot on the mouse
opaque quest
nvm im an idiot its not an addon. Its a WA kekw. Just checked
opaque quest
Mogit stopped working for me years ago. Face textures get ripped apart
hazy bronze
bear emotes
strong forum
>>> bear emotes
Yes
dusky canopy
opaque quest
Sort by color 
strong forum
You can have your bear emotes aswell
dusky canopy
Bro you don’t have twitch emotes!?
strong forum
Nah
lusty grotto
twitch chat ftw
strong forum
We use bears
lusty grotto
ye
dusky canopy
Ayyye
opaque quest
Ill just spam PeepoPoo everytime im ahead in dps
strong forum
All my people are on discord
dusky canopy
My guildies give me so much shit for spamming peeps all the time
It’s just to funny
lusty grotto
i dont use it a lot
strong forum
Ill just spam PeepoPoo everytime im ahead in dps
So never
lusty grotto
but seeing chat emojis is fun
strong forum
dusky canopy
opaque quest
dusky canopy
Nom lmao
opaque quest
In my defense im playing unholy in pugs without PI and still get 93 overall 
quick elk
guides I've read all say combination of double shadowflame or bracers/belt. when does Lariat enter the equation? or does it not? got a crest and I'm not sure what to spend it on.
lusty grotto
it doesnt
strong forum
You gotta sim lariat yourself, with the bis profile lariat was not a gain
quick elk
ah so Lariat is just a dps gain?
lusty grotto
all of them are dps gains
strong forum
I just said it isnt
quick elk
but i can only sim dps, so if im simming i simming to seeif its a dps gain right?
lusty grotto
none of our specs use lariat lmao
opaque quest
Idc. Ill equip 5 of them
lusty grotto
not fury, not arms, not prot
opaque quest
6
lusty grotto
you can only sim dps yes
strong forum
but i can only sim dps, so if im simming i simming to seeif its a dps gain right...
Yes, defensively embellishments don't exist
grim pilot
not fury, not arms, not prot
Arms can
opaque quest
Dont think anybody apart from heals uses lariat and even there is only priest kek
grim pilot
I think it might be bis with full sockets
grim pilot
Pulls ahead for me with 3 sockets only
opaque quest
Sham uses boots and bracers last time i checked but thats from last S
lusty grotto
rsham?
opaque quest
ya
opaque quest
Enh and ele use the haste set
lusty grotto
weird, my friend uses lariat so idk
toxic pewter
ele likes bracers that give mastery but not sure on 2nd one
opaque quest
Depends on gear ig. Up to certain haste you just use the storm set then swap to shadowflame + bracers
blazing condor
whats the /command to start WA logging?
quick elk
Yes, defensively embellishments don't exist
cool thanks. i thought getting haste procs from lariat would be better defensively. than a pure dmg proc. but im happy to follow the clever ppl. Ill save my crest and make a 2h weapon
lusty grotto
clean
dusky canopy
Lariat is cool
I sim it every time I get a piece of gear just in case
Fury MT sim is borked supposedly so can’t accurately Sim aoe but I bet it wins in aoe over SF
dusky canopy
Oh shit!!
lusty grotto
lol?
blazing condor
actually huge
strong forum
there are gigantic fucking fantastic nerfs inc
dusky canopy
Warrior OP
blazing condor
now the question is if you still wanna hold BL for the boss
or maybe thats a matter of time
opaque quest
Crazy it took blizz 6 years to adjust thorns lul
dusky canopy
Nom are the nerfs on wowhead yet or a blue post?
strong forum
i may have been baited
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
That’s gotta be bait
That giga nerfs that boss
Basically target dummy at that point
grim pilot
Idk that sounds way too big
That would mean that freedom once again is turbo op
Like it was in hoi and uldaman
lusty grotto
well
i guess so since freedom is lower cd than bop
but honestly kind of less reliance on paladins if any root breakers clear it
warm plinth
Nah those are 100% fake
Changing targets I would believe. It being a root instead of a stun I would not
lusty grotto
urban portal
they need to buff the thorns if it turns into a root
warm plinth
It would have to be unremovable if they did that or something.
Even then they'd probably buff the hp again because you'd have 3 dps on them instead of 2 so :shrug:
lusty tiger
https://i.imgur.com/NeH76WM.png
Where r these notes
dusky canopy
He found them in the land of make believe
lusty grotto
the notes of dn
opaque quest
Nome out here giving ppl raging boners then edging them into oblivion with those fake notes
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Nim when are we running another AD
lusty grotto
whenever
lusty grotto
remember i have 3 characters to do keys on
plus weekly
i still need to do fyraak on DH though
this week i mean
dusky canopy
Honestly, might try to pick up WW again
lusty grotto
for augury and/or myth rageheart
hazy bronze
Nome out here giving ppl raging boners then edging them into oblivion with those...
He does this with his Webcam too
lusty grotto
im always coping 
dusky canopy
I have offered 1m for augury THREE separate weeks and not one of them would sell it
lusty grotto
the loot gacha always kicks my ass
dusky canopy
L bozo
lusty grotto
im still salty about that gholak + leggo last week
dusky canopy
That guy ate good that week haha
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
when do you guys lust this week in rise
is it better to lust tyr or just do big first pull
(i realize its tyran)
toxic pewter
some guy was saying to lust first pull even on tyran because then could possibly get 4 lusts
that wat this guy told me
but i feel like in a pug lust helps on tyr a lot
toxic pewter
ya
uneven mason
Because having 2 orb phases is shit
toxic pewter
i think for pugs its just more standard to lust tyr
vocal flame
I am so afraid of 20s 😦
uneven mason
Y
vocal flame
idk I do a lot of 18-19s but when I try 20s I usually fail
like 20 flat not even a 21etc
crystal mauve
You lust Tyr if it’s necessary to skip a shield phase, if not first pull is ok
dusky canopy
It’s a step up from 19 for sure but if you can do a 19 you can do a 20
vocal flame
is it a big step up in terms of overall damage etc?
dusky canopy
Try to just do the dungeon instead of worrying about “omg I’m tanking a 20 everything will kill me” etc (it won’t)
vocal flame
like 10% or something?
lusty grotto
sure, but its not much different
vocal flame
Try to just do the dungeon instead of worrying about “omg I’m tanking a 20 every...
I think that will help too
lusty grotto
there's really not a lot of difference between a 19 and a 20
scaling goes steeper each time after that
but with timers this season, i wouldnt worry too much about it
crystal mauve
Unless you are doing something 3/4keys level above your usual you should really worry about it, your experience will be really similar overall
vocal flame
Ok I think I just have to dive in and do it. Hopefully the experience will get better
wooden mesa
Are there any Caps for Haste and versa for us?
Im on 42% and 20 % vers atm. Our guild main tank says you want to stack haste and versa. My sim says crit mastery is a good choice dmg wise.
waxen frigate
7100 pre-buff haste rating
wooden mesa
ok thx and sorry
lusty grotto
no need to apologize
the only cap is, like Nish said, 7100 haste rating without buffs
that means you need to click off absolutely everything that buffs your haste rating in order to check if youre around that number
percents dont mean a lot cause ITF adds % in
also percents are not DR'd
rating is
lusty tiger
It may even reduce your harm
lusty tiger
waxen frigate
Hi @lusty tiger happy new year
lusty tiger
❤️
lusty tiger
Hi <@193453212500623360> happy new year
Happy new year!!
waxen frigate
Hope you’re still cute (I know you are)
waxen frigate
I eat jeree 7 days a week
waxen frigate
I had pizza
lusty tiger
Just cheese?
waxen frigate
Pepperoni
lusty tiger
The best kind
fickle tree
good evening, is Flourishing Dream helmet a good option to make or should you just take the Primal Molten helmet?
jagged pier
The embelishment helm is baf
uneven mason
good evening, is Flourishing Dream helmet a good option to make or should you ju...
Tier?????
fickle tree
crap stats?
fickle tree
The embelishment helm is baf
thx for the answer
orchid mural
that means you need to click off absolutely everything that buffs your haste rat...
hmm, question: would the howling rune haste increase on top of the 7100 be a waste?
urban portal
hmm, question: would the howling rune haste increase on top of the 7100 be a was...
its not a waste but you could probably be better off with another rune
uneven mason
hmm, question: would the howling rune haste increase on top of the 7100 be a was...
What's his name!
orchid mural
heh, yeah i get it - I was under the impression that if i used a howling rune to achieve the 7100 rating i am being very efficient.
just wanted to clarify
urban portal
but no its not a WASTE its just probably more efficient to go something else
uneven mason
orchid mural
therefore achieving 7100 rating WITH a rune, is perfectly fine.
uneven mason
Yes
torn gulch
got socketed crit/haste myth track wrists with socket
i am tempetd to change my embelishment
from wrist
lusty grotto
no harm in doing so if you have lower ilvls
lusty grotto
we have enough sparks and then some anyway
frosty mango
I have 7900 crit on my priest does that count
waxen frigate
You gotta be at least 7101 haste rating to speak in this chat
You need to be at least 3800io (like me) (also I have the legendary)
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Nim 
toxic pewter
why u guys think augury does fire damage and not shadowflame damage
uneven mason
Because it's the primal flame
uneven mason
Yeah
toxic pewter
checks out
next yacht
@uneven mason so smart dude,warrior brain in action
mystic radish
Any stat sweetspot I should hit? Thats with 2 Stacks of ITF and weapon rune
uneven mason
You probably should be running hr with that low haste
mystic radish
Yeah sorry forgot to mention already buffed with howling 😄
mystic radish
Oh yeah. Still like season 1? At about 35% haste ITF?
uneven mason
5400rating~
mystic radish
Sometimes having a hard downtime to one mistake in planning and then the bosses are hitting hard 😄
uneven mason
But as long as you're wearing highest ilvl
mystic radish
5400rating~
yeah having 4.1k
devout basalt
brb
mystic radish
Just switched some items. Cannot replace my whole fury gear yet :/ sadly cannot change sockets
uneven mason
Yeah so swap to HR, but that's just because you'll have gaps
devout basalt
whoops
uneven mason
Just switched some items. Cannot replace my whole fury gear yet :/ sadly cannot ...
Don't really need to replace, you're not going to win or lose a key based on stat balance
And that beefy mastery stack is really good defensively in m+
Prot likes all stats, but yeah this season since we don't have bolster talented you need hr to keep SB around 100%
Until 5400ish haste
mystic radish
yeah now at 24+ it really really hurts when not having block up ... and somehow its always a short downtime for about 1-2 secs sometimes
uneven mason
That's all it takes
Imagine having a 2s SB gap on tree dude in wm when he's at 70stacks 
mystic radish
^ this
lusty grotto
hoo boy 
sick sentinel
Yo i was having trouble today in a 20 rise, the temporal breath was kicking my ass. What's the typical way to deal with that?
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
alright thanks have a good one. sorry for fucking up the chat
vocal flame
I wonder what other tanks do for the breath? They just sit and lol through it?
We gotta run away
waxen frigate
alright thanks have a good one. sorry for fucking up the chat
Hi ducking dare you
urban portal
bro just left
torn gulch
nymue on mythic hurts pretty bad on warrior
my conclusion after i managed to sneak to my guild progress raids
harsh trellis
Everbloom this week is extremely fun
lusty grotto
frost mage should be illegal this week
harsh trellis
are they bad this week?
strong forum
they root rotationally
with just pressing their dmg buttons
extremely frustrating to play with
cosmic wyvern
I really hope the unrevealed prot warrior hero talent tree gives us more group utility
uneven mason
My time had come and I wasn't here
uneven mason
I wonder what other tanks do for the breath? They just sit and lol through it?
Everyone but brm has very little fucks to give
cosmic wyvern
I still don't really know how to leap from the breath tbh
uneven mason
Spin camera
cosmic wyvern
usually I'm very close to a wall when being breathed on tbh
uneven mason
Cast start press @cursor heroic leap macro
The issue ofc is
If you attempt the leap and fuckup you probably just ranged your healer
round cliff
https://i.imgur.com/w8rko8L.png thats a dwarf saying? im a horde player someone give me dwarf lore
hollow minnow
nymue on mythic hurts pretty bad on warrior
it is actually not to bad. Let the other tank start and take the boss after intermission. Then you only have to play 1 bomb on warrior.
You need to save wall for when you taunt boss after you come back from dropping your bomb since the magic damage taken debuff overlaps with us having to taunt. If you keep dying while not having aggro after running back save spellblock for that section.
blazing condor
ideally you have wall for full bloom
hollow minnow
i never wall on full bloom
torn gulch
we would've killed if i did not troll on third add wave
hollow minnow
yeah i mean i tank with a dk so it is only logical for him to take 2
torn gulch
didn't see the third line
blazing condor
people say its push week but ive depleted 4 out of 5 keys on the last boss today
cinder pasture
https://i.imgur.com/w8rko8L.png thats a dwarf saying? im a horde player someone ...
It's just a female dwarf voice line in the game 😛
blazing condor
males say it too iirc
round cliff
It's just a female dwarf voice line in the game 😛
dwarves are the 1 thing im envious of alliance players for
dwarves so cool
waxen frigate
https://i.imgur.com/w8rko8L.png thats a dwarf saying? im a horde player someone ...
Yes ever since vanilla (maybe wc2/3 even idk)
waxen frigate
males say it too iirc
They do
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/w8rko8L.png thats a dwarf saying? im a horde player someone ...
"keep yer feet on the ground"
lusty grotto
no u
plush socket
in m+ how long are you comfortable holding ravager/thunderous roar if you see avatar is about to come off cd
i guess m+ doesn't really matter in this context
plush socket
ok i just send it then
strong forum
you have 60% uptime on avatar
plush socket
cool thank you
lusty grotto
yeah you shouldnt, youre not waiting on avatar if youre using rage effectively
because of anger management
lusty grotto
and its dynamic, so you can avatar during it
strong forum
yeah
plush socket
every 1 second that you hold avatar
no i meant the other way around sry
like ravager is off cd but avatar isn't
plush socket
oh okay ic whatu. mean
strong forum
its not worth to sit on them just to make sure you get it in the avatar window
cuz avatar is a 35sec CD if you play well
plush socket
hmm okay i will try and keep track of my avatar uptime in keys
i do feel like its up often but just never paid attention
strong forum
for example
on my previous everbloom
13 million of my 19mil dmg of TR
was when avatar was up
for ravager 6 of the 9mil dmg it did was also during avatar
its better to send 1 extra use throughout a key
instead of trying to line it up for a 20% boost
potentially missing out on 100% extra dmg
same goes for demoshout
just fullsend all the time
unless the pull is about to die ofc
round cliff
man tanking is fun but being in charge gives me anxiety
blazing condor
yeah you kinda gotta know your shit
but its nice to have such impact when you got it down
round cliff
i cant know my shit without fucking up my shit first 😭
blazing condor
aye thats the cycle of it
first you fuck it up then you learn from it and never fuck it up again
rinse and repeat
round cliff
need a big strong tank/dps hybrid player to put a dunce cap on my head and baby me thru each dungeon once
strong forum
thats literally what im doing with my m+ group 24/7
but also the healer
for example today i dragged him through like 5 or 6 everblooms
blazing condor
need a big strong tank/dps hybrid player to put a dunce cap on my head and baby ...
how much money you got to spend? 👀
strong forum
to make him learn how to heal the bosses
round cliff
i need a real m+ group that sounds fun
i just keys with randos in my guild occasionally
blazing condor
its fun to do keys with ppl you know for sure
but at this point i got more luck progressing m+ with pugs
than the ppl i usually play with
round cliff
im a social gamer and none of my close friend group plays wow so its a struggle to stay motivated at times
strong forum
i dont play wow unless my friends are on
round cliff
and i lucked into my close friend group so making a close wow friend group is hard lmao.
idk how to do that
strong forum
i just spammed class discords for a few years
and now i got alotta people to play with and somehow ended up TC
strong forum
and to the point of playing with literal world first raiders and world first key pushers
strong forum
stealth ops
round cliff
id say lmk if anyone wants to game sometime but maybe i should learn my shit a bit first
blazing condor
ur probably NA tho
strong forum
just be a quick learner 4head
round cliff
oh right blizzard segregates
😔 even tho i get better ping to eu than some of the suspicious gamers i find
blazing condor
nom does fervid give you big heal on deep wounds with Fbv
too lazy to check log
hm idrk how to tell on logs considering deep wounds can crit so you get bigger heals anyway
it looks like it gives you big heals tho
echo egret
Can someone remind me how to read this ?
The damage sent at me is the sum of all 3 figures ?
echo egret
How come I took more damage from his melee attacks than his crush ? (it's the end of the fight with no stack reset)
blazing condor
did you have shield wall or anything up?
echo egret
No I didn't
blazing condor
then what nim said
echo egret
Ooooh lol I thought it did
It was a 23 and the healer was amazed I didn't reset stacks...
I guess he never ran it with a prot war before
lusty tiger
echo egret
Another weak description in the journal though
plush socket
#268491842637660160 kind of mentions this but mastery isn't a bad stat right? like you're not looking to actively avoid mastery on gear right
echo egret
You would think it applies to all his own damage.
blazing condor
<#268491842637660160> kind of mentions this but mastery isn't a bad stat right? ...
you're not actively looking to avoid any stat whatsoever
lusty tiger
<#268491842637660160> kind of mentions this but mastery isn't a bad stat right? ...
Strength >> haste > sim
plush socket
It was a 23 and the healer was amazed I didn't reset stacks...
don't high stacks just kill ur grp after a while
plush socket
you're not actively looking to avoid any stat whatsoever
tyty
median tulip
https://i.imgur.com/w8rko8L.png thats a dwarf saying? im a horde player someone ...
To be fair, we have Blood and Thunder as a talent already
echo egret
don't high stacks just kill ur grp after a while
No, thorns don't scale.
strong forum
High stacks only kill if you actually clear with fire
round cliff
To be fair, we have Blood and Thunder as a talent already
my favorite
strong forum
But until decently high keys you don't have to do that as prot
median tulip
It was a 23 and the healer was amazed I didn't reset stacks...
I had a similar reaction from a healer. I just told him "only cowards reset"
median tulip
I did a 22 Tyr and didn't even D Stance
lusty grotto
my vdh hasnt reset either
strong forum
Only dropped to 50% once
strong forum
Oh no I didn't say it's prot only
Every tank but bear can tank for very long times
Bdk can go insane distances if you play well
lusty grotto
I guess he never ran it with a prot war before
i meant this
median tulip
I healed a Monk that did it; that was a bit intense by the end, but IDK if he was just a bad Monk
median tulip
My Priest Alt has done a higher key in EB than my Main has
lusty grotto
until i somehow manage to summon the interest in a 4th alt
which im leaning to absolutely not, fuck this loot gacha
tribal wharf
yo, is me, yogi, i am waiting on deletion of the other old account which is why i've been quiet for a few days, at any rate, the weekly x4 mythic box was good to me
lusty grotto
wtf
lusty tiger
Yogi why are you deleting your old disc?
tribal wharf
i discussed long ago i was going to delete it, but now im doing it anyways, i just didnt like what i posted in the past is all
lusty tiger
Dam
tribal wharf
variety of reason and it just stuck too hard, said alot of dumb things, i know it.
lusty tiger
I wouldn’t mind the removal of all my schizo posting here
lusty grotto
lol i wouldnt really go to such extremes sir
ive said some pretty dumb shit in the past too
but thats how we learn 🙂
tribal wharf
i'm not really mad at jakey if you see him before i do or anyone
but, yes, i am/was burnt out still, taking it easy for now
lusty grotto
i feel like im missing something, but i dont think jakey meant to take him THAT seriously
its just words
sticks and stones lol
either way jakey always means well lol
tribal wharf
i dunno, i like wow alot, i just have frustrations at a 20 keyand its not healthy
so i don't involve my self in that content
harsh trellis
or just run it till you figure it out and it clicks
tribal wharf
so imma stick to noob stuff rest of patch, figured i'd at least clue you guys in whats goin on
harsh trellis
ngl, I am a little disappointed youre giving up so easily on 20s when this season has been the easiest to get 20s timed in
but whatever you feel is healthy for you
tribal wharf
if its causing my stress and to rage , im not doing it
cuz its also, your locked in, you cant just rage quit, like something else
strong forum
i dunno, i like wow alot, i just have frustrations at a 20 keyand its not health...
That's entirely fair
You shouldn't feel compelled to do/like certain content if it's causing you physical harm
Or mental
That's why I don't raid mythic anymore or be part of leading a guild/raid
lusty grotto
i honestly didnt think you would give that much importance to what we say to you here, i thought i wasnt alone in thinking it was the other way around
but yeah anyone that mentions a higher key here isnt really trying to make you do it, theyre just cheering you on
so im sure all of us agree with Nome on that subject
what im trying to say is, dont take it as peer pressure or anything like that
blazing condor
cinder nova
That's why I don't raid mythic anymore or be part of leading a guild/raid
Wait, what? Mythic raiding dragged on you that much?
Like... GL/RL I get - that's a fucking hellscape.
hazy bronze
Having 1 idiot drag a night for hours is painful
restive scroll
Wait, what? Mythic raiding dragged on you that much?
Did on me too a while ago, even not as a rl, the pressure wasn't worth it.
lusty grotto
thats why im done with xiv raiding for next expansion
restive scroll
Mythic plus is a nice middle ground
lusty grotto
im dragging 5 other idiots in 8 man content
only 3 of us are actually okay
literally on the last savage fight and we havent gotten past the door boss
strong forum
Like... GL/RL I get - that's a fucking hellscape.
I was officer co-rl and later RL
lusty grotto
and its become worse every tier, up to this one which is the last
i actually was looking forward to raiding mythic in wow
just as a change of pace
but alas it didnt happen, warriors are fewer slots and it was 3 total so i didnt make the cut
strong forum
I can't just turn off my brain when I raid
lusty grotto
when they just want 1 for the core roster
strong forum
I inevitably will try to do callouts, look at mechanics of others, positioning, timers. CD optimisation etc etc
In raid
I never just only look and care about me and what I'm doing
lusty grotto
i used to do that a lot too, but then i figured out how to mute myself lol
strong forum
Rn in m+ I just turn up the music a bit more
lusty grotto
ye
strong forum
Cuz when I look at what stuff isnt happening I just get tilted
restive scroll
Cuz when I look at what stuff *isnt* happening I just get tilted
Same, that's painful.
Did try casual mythic, i ended up in the same position as you, and ended up raid leading a few bosses
lusty grotto
i think im way past that
cause now i just see leading as work
and even if i can do it naturally, i'd just rather not touch it with a 10 foot pole
waxen orbit
variety of reason and it just stuck too hard, said alot of dumb things, i know i...
Brother
I've said some wild shit in here
Granted I've said some based shit
But also some feral shit
The lads forgive
The lads forget (occasionally)
But mostly the lads forgive
warm plinth
I shall now resurrect an hours old post and say that Crush is affected by soul harvest.
tribal wharf
tbh, min mind has been filled with seeing if i can get my old xbox vaporware titles
all the titles cant be emulated easily and lost the liscences, scattered to wind, and some of the codes and stuff it relies on makes it impossible to emulate those ones atm, estimated 5 + years until we can emulate those on pc, so have to get an old 360,
exclusive games suck is what im saying lol
cinder nova
I never just only look and care about me and what I'm doing
I feel like this is my biggest issue playing any team or coop games.
I can't help but see all the bullshit and I'm like ???
strong forum
Struggles of having a fast mind
tribal wharf
its that, or i cast a curse on said xbox
blazing condor
Idk raiding is easy for me but i have severe psychosis and just kinda disconnect from everything when i play
lusty grotto
what i did was basically train myself to think im just better if i focus on my own shit, but it kind of still rears its ugly head sometimes
strong forum
Well you do better if you only focus on your own shit
That's why raid leaders exist
lusty grotto
right
pallid quiver
mental stack exists in everything
tribal wharf
i think its the rotation aspect
i never do it on a fast enough tempo or the correct tempo to where im doing 100% of sim dps
strong forum
Well yeah that's also a thing
tribal wharf
left to my own devices but doing a rotation, it comes out but slowly
strong forum
And why there are people who think they're doing the thing
But they hand eye coordination isn't catching up to speed
Or their general decision making process isn't fast enough
pallid quiver
automod strong sometimes ;-;
strong forum
Same as a friend of mine, he really struggles to make a decision. He knows how thing do, but he can't do thing as he should
strong forum
Sometimes in a turn based game it took him up to 5 minutes for 1 turn
pallid quiver
but properly practicing that is hard for most people because they just don't know how
tribal wharf
but it's, i can't do a rotation fast, with avoid and also mechanics and all of those 3 parts of it are 99 parses each
strong forum
When I myself had already prepped what I want to do next turn whilst waiting for my turn
So I did my turn in a few seconds
tribal wharf
i just cant juggle doing X number of complex things
strong forum
And I then backseat gamed his turn cuz he hadn't considered some of the hidden potential chain reactions
pallid quiver
but it's, i can't do a rotation fast, with avoid and also mechanics and all of t...
You need to break it down into each individual part. The easiest thing to start with is to practice your rotation until it becomes as muscle memory as possible, and get used to just pressing the buttons always
After that, you then break it down into reading timers for abilities or learning encounter timings, either or, the italics for what to do
That will then get you ready for getting ready to avoid, so you can then practice reacting to mechanics
it
Takes an actual while to get all those put together, as a warning,
And as you go on to each part, you start playing worse until you're comfortable with it
cinder nova
Struggles of having a fast mind
I honestly gotta modulate myself because I see it a lot in OW2 when I play as well, and people just take any attempt to coordinate or critique as an attack
I'm not gonna pretend I haven't been toxic from time to time, but it's so maddening to watch and know nobody is gonna do anything with the info
median tulip
I shall now resurrect an hours old post and say that Crush is affected by soul h...
Was someone saying it wasn't?
lusty grotto
i did
strong forum
I'm not gonna pretend I haven't been toxic from time to time, but it's so madden...
Pick your battles
pallid quiver
I honestly gotta modulate myself because I see it a lot in OW2 when I play as we...
If you have the console and don't mind trying other games, try Splatoon out. It straight out does not have voice comms; all you can do is send this way and booyah
So it'll help you focus on trying to figure out how to support teammates who aren't actively attempting to coordinate
tribal wharf
im actually better at broad repetition and refining it down to the best path more than quick repitition
median tulip
it honestly feels like it isnt
+25 Tyr and 70 stacks and I do actually D Stance. It definitely scales, just from a very low base.
lusty grotto
a crush?
i mean
a melee hit sure
but a crush?
at that point youre already dstanced
so if stacks does affect it, its done so in a minuscule capacity
median tulip
That boss doesn't even outpace my IP and Indomitable until like 40+ stacks
median tulip
I sure as hell don't D Stance until high stacks
lusty grotto
nobody of us does
but you dont specifically dstance for crushes
which is why its odd that you would mention dstance at all
median tulip
Wasn't that just what you said?
cinder nova
Pick your battles
I can't help it when it's dragging down my match as well.
Like - why do I have to tell people to fight on high ground?
median tulip
at that point youre already dstanced
Here
cinder nova
How is this not an intrinsic concept?
lusty grotto
yes
thats what i said
cause its pointless
at 70 stacks you are already dstanced, everyone does it
median tulip
I don't understand the point you are making
strong forum
so if stacks does affect it, its done so in a minuscule capacity
Crush hits way harder than auto attacks
And it is scaled up
lusty grotto
🤷
i swear to god
crushes hit me for nothing
i must be lucky with parries or some shit
strong forum
Critblock/parry rng do be like that
lusty grotto
i guess ill go back to my logs
strong forum
Like in my 24 at the end a crush did 6.6mil pre-mit
median tulip
Yeah Critblocks and Parry are both pretty powerful on that boss
median tulip
Like in my 24 at the end a crush did 6.6mil pre-mit
How much of that did you actually take?
strong forum
How much of that did you actually take?
Uuuh
lusty grotto
with Nelth's Fury
cinder nova
Does being more conscious of your IP become a bit of necessity as you get higher in stacks and later in the fight?
median tulip
That's just one Impending Victory
cinder nova
IV is 20%
strong forum
Does being more conscious of your IP become a bit of necessity as you get higher...
Absolutely
It's 30% no?
cinder nova
Pretty sure it's 20.
strong forum
They buffed it late SL
cinder nova
tooltip blizz memes go brrrr
strong forum
It's 30%
strong forum
It is
wind oak
lots of tooltip still cluncky forever
cinder nova
Pretty sure Valve has the same issue. Meepo's poof says its a channeled ability in the tooltip, despite the mechanical backend never being a channel
warm plinth
That's where the 20% comes from
strong forum
In a while
median tulip
It's 30%. I'm probably spoiled because I have a static Priest and therefore permanent Power Word: Fortitude
warm plinth
It's literally OP compared to other effects that are the same
cinder nova
I'm still shocked how many warriors don't use it.
I know people that sit on it for ages.
warm plinth
Like bears have a 30% self heal too and theirs is like 1.5 min CD
median tulip
It also gets buffed if you have Last Stand running
warm plinth
Hunters have a 30% self heal that is like 1 min
cinder nova
Yeah, but they have tons of passive regen
warm plinth
Yeah, free hps
strong forum
I mean prot
median tulip
I use it a lot
cinder nova
Wild to me that arms has IV and still comes up short compared to Fury.
cinder nova
DO THEY?
strong forum
It's on class tree
median tulip
It's in the class tree
median tulip
Same tbh
cinder nova
Having bloodthirst take up like 3/4ths of every GCD makes them so enduring
Wish arms had something to compete
strong forum
Fury gets 2x weapon stats, thus higher hp. Passive self heal ER and 10% perma DR
warm plinth
Should just give arms indomitable
cinder nova
I'm still confused why Arms ST/Cleave is so fucking diametrically opposed spec-wise compared to Fury.
median tulip
But anyway Yes, IV is very powerful, especially for some mechanics.
cinder nova
Have they ever said why they wont increase the target count on SwSt?
strong forum
I like arms 2 target niche
Very satisfying
To just dumpster everyone on EB 2nd boss
median tulip
Every time Arms gets good at a niche it gets nerfed
cinder nova
I'm still trying to figure out my ToM window spending
strong forum
Arms has had its 2 target niche since bfa
cinder nova
Is there some kind of ideal order of spenders?
strong forum
Ms > op > ww
cinder nova
Really? I feel like if I prio OP over WW during CS my ToM is only like 20%
strong forum
Ww and tc guaranteed give you 1 op back via tactician
cinder nova
Compared to if I prio WW ahead of it, goes up to like 25-30%+
strong forum
Sure but you buff Ms less
cinder nova
Does it matter that much?
cinder nova
You're the one with the orange name you tell me
strong forum
I press ww after CS cuz reck
And to get ww on cd
And then just continue as normal
But ideally you want the ms>op reset cycle going
You don't care about big Tom
cinder nova
Oh, really?
strong forum
Tom is just there
cinder nova
I thought you wanted a big ToM for ThR?
cinder nova
Yeah the guides all say to send ThR on ToM
strong forum
You send roar with CS and avatar on cd
Just fucking send it dude
30% buff from CS
Or 30% buff from Tom
What's it matter lol
During execute is when you get the big Tom + CS overlaps
But outside of that you don't get overlaps
You just send on cd
Why would you build a Tom first and then send TR
That's idiotic
cinder nova
Because our linked guides say so 
lavish sphinx
Any particular reason Prot Warrs don't pick up Legguard's of Preparation like Prot Pally's do?
Would've thought the Haste embellishment would be bis
cinder nova
ITF
strong forum
Cuz I don't hold much value in getting 8 seconds of extra haste
warm plinth
I don't really even know why prot pally uses them tbh
strong forum
Cuz sentinel extension
On pull
With DT
Their dmg is extremely front loaded
So the extra haste window helps a good deal with extending sentinel
I hold little value for haste pants cuz in prolonged fights it's extremely useless
Especially on bosses they offer absolutely nothing
cinder nova
Wh-... why does Arms Battlelord talent say OP generates -10 rage?
strong forum
Don't read much into it
lusty grotto
anyone else glad every time S talks, he only talks to Nome
strong forum
Wowhead does include some funky things in their tooltips
lusty grotto
and its like both of them back and forth
for 30 mins
and S only replies/tags Nome
lol
am i wrong here
just an observation
lusty grotto
idk kinda feels like S has the entire channel on block except for you
strong forum
I often feel like people actually have me on block
lusty grotto
it is what it is
strong forum
When I give the information they want
And just ignore it and continue discussing with the others
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i havent seen that happen though
trying to think
smooth braining
idk im bored
i joined this fyraak where i let this frostmourne BDK tank first
and i just immediately take agro with hunt
and he taunts 3 fucking times into DR
pallid quiver
I'd never block Nome because he actually has logical trains of thought and can provide evidence for what he says
He'd have to swing out with some wild shit for me to think about that
lusty grotto
jesus christ lmao
guy was literally spamming taunts
like what the fuck does running out of dream rend have to do with letting me tank the start
just pug things i guess
not to mention, infernal striking dream rend makes other wheelchair classes lose uptime
cinder nova
and S only replies/tags Nome
He's kinda been spearheading a lot of the information for our spec in Skyhold since... what? midway through SL?
If I see him I'd rather just go to the source.
lusty grotto
cinder nova
It's like wondering why a student would ask a professor who wrote a thesis they're studying about the thesis
Sure you could ask others that have knowledge and read it
But... just ask the dude that did it?
cinder nova
I do not. I've butted heads with him before over stuff and realized I was wrong.
lusty grotto
ok youre no fun
cinder nova
Correct.
median tulip
The Nightmare Egg Shell is bad, right?
cinder nova
ye
edgy bone
is prot warrior the best tank for that throne of the tides boss with windfury
because we block all his windfury strikes
edgy bone
When I give the information they want
Bruh did I miss some BEEF
You and @pallid quiver clash of the titans??
pallid quiver
if you missed some beef, i missed some beef
opaque quest
I often feel like people actually have me on block
Makes sense when you tell people they are never #1 in dps
jk love you
lusty grotto
edgy bone
id pick up a stick off the floor and beat nome in dps lol
opaque quest
Who wouldnt
median tulip
because we block all his windfury strikes
His Stormflurry Totem makes his melee do nature damage, so it will still sting (on high keys)
candid path
big fan of dodging and staggering them, personally
edgy bone
big fan of dodging and staggering them, personally
What is the best way for prot warrior to handle it
lusty grotto
thin silo
Personally I yell at the DPS to kill the totem quicker ymmv
edgy bone
Ohhh I see
teal swift
@candid path wowhead article is well written, ty for not writing doomer shit like the rest.
Your hero talents article, is quite literally the only one that isn't inconsolable whining and bitching about minor things that only really impact tok 1% lul.
Was a joy. Can't wait to see mountain thane in action !
The fury one wasn't bad, but holy shit the prot paladin one
candid path
I agree with the doom around the BDK one, because it sounds extremely cursed to play—but strong, so you have to do it.
As for Paladin, it's already such an insanely overpowered class from a group utility standpoint, and adding Blessing of Hammer Infusion is just a preposterous choice on Blizzard's part
teal swift
Did you read the prot palasin one whining about reticle placement, complexity, and minmax
candid path
of course, couldn't disagree more
teal swift
When the answer is, drop that bitch in the melee cluster and accept the 0.075% hit
But yeah, it's just nice to not see overwhelming negativity about things I'm excited for
candid path
it's pretty easy to just make a "/cast [@cursor] Blessing of Hammer Infusion" macro
Mountain Thane looks very fun, the concept is good and the implementation is right
teal swift
The whole "is so hard to min max" angle had me 😴
candid path
almost all passives, some positive rotational bonuses
teal swift
End of day, I just want to feel
candid path
I mean, I get the idea of having to line it up with other players' CD's, maybe, but that depends on how it functions
teal swift
Just let me be this fantasy
My only issue with the mountain thane tree is how hard it'll be for me to choose which path
Middle looks like a crazy proc machine
Left looks huge value tclap
candid path
proc rates & values are an uncertainty, but if Prot Warrior can deal massive amounts of damage in M+, and carve that out as a niche, then they have a chance for a defined role in M+ in TWW
teal swift
Do we know if we can spend the hero points however we want?
Maybe mix and match but skip the button obe
candid path
you get them all as you level
lusty grotto
i sincerely hope thats the way they are aiming
cause adding utility could be kind of a headache
well, new utility, cause theres some old spells that could be reimplemented, but i doubt they want to go that way
candid path
it would need to be a pretty big damage advantage for it to have a meaningful impact on usage rates
yeah
lusty grotto
yeah sadly
candid path
I think the bigger issue is stuff that exists on other classes
like Spellwarding
it's too much, man
dusky canopy
My RL has me Taunting the Flare on trindral to position orbs
waxen frigate
Do we know if we can spend the hero points however we want?
Maybe mix and match...
you get all the nodes
lusty grotto
agreed
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
<:xan:1094127979703062558>
crit crit crit
dusky canopy
bro my 30% vers having ass as fury dont care
lusty grotto
teal swift
Would be cool to TG as prot
waxen frigate
I thought I had to choose one path
nah they decided the "choice" involved with hero talents is your choice of tree, not your choice of path within your tree
and the choice nodes themselves
dusky canopy
hot take but id like all talents in my tree
teal swift
And had to choose LOL
frail zodiac
Bring back fury tanking?
teal swift
remove yuzu's fingernails
I fat finger so much shit on my phone mb LOL
cerulean tusk
Colossus will be all about slam dam and shockwave
raw parcel
So I'm curious, how many of you are currently maining prot warrior vs jumping ship to paladin or vdh?
jagged pier
ppl in here tend to not jump ship
raw parcel
I was wondering if I'm a chump for sticking with my warrior xD
grim pilot
Ye generally I feel like warriors are sticking to warriors the most
Out of all other classes
plush sorrel
i still wished there was a dps spec with shield
jagged pier
its called elemental shaman
plush sorrel
i mean for warrior, duh
jagged pier
u didnt specify 🤷
and no they tried it
its didnt work
didnt do actual dps damage
plush sorrel
u didnt specify 🤷
thats true
plush sorrel
well but they could if they wanted to
jagged pier
ppl cant cope with 100
plush sorrel
yeah i can see that this would be aweful
still its a dream of mine 😄
looking forward to hero talents, maybe there´s some hope for colossus
scenic mural
glad stance was bis in brf they just nerfed it like cucks, the dps dream died for me there
onyx matrix
i still wished there was a dps spec with shield
Gladiator stance from wod
plush sorrel
Gladiator stance from wod
sadly i only played fury in wod
onyx matrix
Ah fair enough
chilly mulch
Gladiator was fun while it lasted
Maybe one day we'll see it return, or a dualwielding shield spec 
onyx matrix
Ahh yes just like the door from darksouls 3 😆
pallid quiver
we need a dps spec with two shields
chilly brook
jagged pier
yer so it didnt