But for 20year it makes sense
#protection
uneven mason
vocal flame
that a homer simpson line?
torn gulch
no it's just something i blurted out now
uneven mason
It's a 
line
blazing condor
is there any tech to the focused tempest on 1st boss TOTT?
or is it just aoe damg
toxic pewter
would you guys rather use a heroic rageheart or a heroic signet brand
i guess it depends on the dungeon?
blazing condor
signet is more damage if you keep it up
toxic pewter
or is signet just better
blazing condor
rageheart is also an absorb
blazing condor
if i could choose my trinkets id probably run rageheart + augury
toxic pewter
ya that is what I have right now
uneven mason
Dreaming of the day I get a rageheart
They have me dpsing but I'm going to lootspec prot for fyrak tonight
torn gulch
i play with a lfr rageheart
because i did not even see a bigger one nevermind roll for it
and i do lfr normal heroic every week
uneven mason
I have them on basically all the alts
It's just my war that doesn't have a fyrak trinket
vocal flame
i love it, i have a LFR version too
toxic pewter
I love my signet but I cannot deny the rageheart just feels a bit more stable
vocal flame
I feel like good trinkets still do a lot of damage at lower ilevels
vocal flame
I love my signet but I cannot deny the rageheart just feels a bit more stable
i love how the visual looks when you use it
toxic pewter
yah it looks great and I have augury soo i have all these red bubble things going a lot lmao
vocal flame
haha thats great
toxic pewter
i still think blizz missed a cool oportunity to make a 2 set trinket bonus
like if u equip both, something cool happens
vocal flame
that would be great
toxic pewter
even if it was like some cosmetic effect or something lol to prevent it from being too op
vocal flame
wish the cosmetic race changing toys didnt have 12 hour cooldowns they are cool to use
toxic pewter
yeah recalibrator is a great toy
vocal flame
i feel like blizzard doesn't like you changing your toon
vocal flame
haha true
uneven mason
35*
urban portal
mb
jagged pier
they want you to spend too much money to do so
toxic pewter
oops wrong face
uneven mason
toxic pewter
XD
vocal flame
lol
fleet parcel
How good is Prophetic Stonescales? I'm asking because I have a choice in my vault on my alt between a 489 scales and 2 tier pieces on the mythic track and was wondering if there is any desernable difference between a 483 and a 489 scale.
plush tendon
How good is Prophetic Stonescales? I'm asking because I have a choice in my vaul...
The value gained from 483 to 489 stonescales is very minimal
it is also not a trinket you should be using for a majority of content
fleet parcel
Yeah but I have none of the actually good trinkets hence why I'm considering it
blazing condor
i mean its only good if you plan on dying with it
plush tendon
Stonescales if it doesnt proc is essentially a stat stick
blazing condor
pretty much every other trinket at the same ilvl will be better
plush tendon
with just strength
you're better off pugging heroic or grabbing some other M+ trinkets like Rezans or a basic stat proc one
plush tendon
yea, keep doing that
plush tendon
literally all trinkets from raid are decent
Rageheart, Augury, Signet, Pips, Branch
blazing condor
niceu
plush tendon
poggies!
blazing condor
big
dusky canopy
What’s happening today boys
blazing condor
The on-use effect of rageheart is not tied to the absorb uptime right? even if the absorb is gone after 1 second you still do the damage to mobs?
dusky canopy
EU vaults right?
blazing condor
aye
uneven mason
literally all trinkets from raid are decent
Ashes?
uneven mason
Well yes
jagged pier
well scales is the best trinket in the game if u die every 8 mins
hazy bronze
Aren't good tanks supposed to die? 
urban portal
yeah need to keep the trinket on cd
jagged pier
good tanks plan pulls around using it yes
urban portal
its rotational
brittle owl
what if i have a death allergy
hazy bronze
They have antihistamines for that
uneven mason
If only we could control bsv....
brittle owl
antihistawhat
uneven mason
It's working as intended
It just sucks
Rather how it's intended to work sucks
If it was a on use ability though
Like the paladin "cheat"
hazy bronze
45sec cheat :pog:
toxic pewter
that the most imbalanced talent in the entire game
dusky canopy
Any new Lego enjoyers this week?
dusky canopy
Isn’t it all buyable?
jagged pier
the items are but u need a crafter to craft it
hazy bronze
And crafters suck
waxen frigate
Bad takes
blazing condor
🥶
waxen frigate
Imagine not having both
jagged pier
oof another bad take
toxic pewter
waxen frigate
Ice on my wrist, fire in my hands
jagged pier
Ice on my wrist, fire in my hands
thats almost bannable
toxic pewter
lmao
toxic pewter
Ice on my wrist, fire in my hands
alright relax over there jon snow
waxen frigate
thats almost bannable
This watch is worth the gdp of Yemen
uneven mason
waxen frigate
i already had someone compliment my look
toxic pewter
thats me
blazing condor
crazy how you dont get invited to a fyrakk normal with 485 ilvl 
hazy bronze
You may just be applicant #45
toxic pewter
yes its the monthly trading post reward
woven radish
crazy how you dont get invited to a fyrakk normal with 485 ilvl <:detective:9123...
Tell me about it...484 myself and got declined from every fyrakk normal i could find
toxic pewter
wat they say why they declined u
blazing condor
as if they would say
toxic pewter
wat u mean
vocal flame
Vin Diesel?
frozen rose
Does Seeking Inferno, the smolderon mythic mechanic, show an icon debuff for users targeted? I know it’s not on tanks, but we had some players having trouble noticing they were targeted
frozen rose
It is a private aura. Ah, so private auras disable having a little debuff icon on ur screen?
uneven mason
Yup, they even adjusted the aura to fuck over the wa that guilds were using to track it
jagged pier
it might give a debuff
but i would expect mythic players to notice their own debuff bar change
frozen rose
lol me too. I was asking cause…I was just going to recommend foeks make a wa with a massive icon triggered by the debuff if they’re having issues. But that assumes it shows up as a debuff
Sounds like it doesn’t
toxic pewter
atal dazar final boss still a pug killer lol
toxic pewter
people just like run into a spider and die i think
lusty tiger
Yeah
violet flume
yeah people die to spiders all the time
doing it as dps for the first time the other day i get why
people spread spiders everywhere and its hard to navigate and inactive oens are hard to see
lusty tiger
Once you mess up one set of spiders it makes it much harder to bait the following sets into good spots
violet flume
my tank also used the "cubicle strat"
chrome falcon
i'm sure i'm just missing it but does anyone know where on wowhead you find the stats on all of our catalyst pieces
might be something good to pin each season tbh
plush tendon
atal dazar final boss still a pug killer lol
the thing that tilts me the most on Yazma, is when we pug like one person and the whole group is doing the strat right, but then the pug just runs off to Kansas and drops his soulrend in the worst spot
and im like, bro just follow the stack
uneven mason
might be something good to pin each season tbh
5seconds of google fu, you're welcome
chrome falcon
yep which shows me the offpieces
i want to know the stats on helmet
fortunately it was the only pick from vault anyway so i just grabbed it and flew to the catalyst
but i don't think we can see the stats on our actual tier pieces on wowhead?
oh wait it's probably in the item sets tab
yeah it is
uneven mason
but i don't think we can see the stats on our actual tier pieces on wowhead?
Look up the tier helm?
chrome falcon
yeah thanks!!!!
plush tendon
i want to know the stats on helmet
its in game; if you go to your adventure tab on the far right theres like a item set tab
chrome falcon
if you look at my actual question i was just wondering if there was a page that had all the pieces on it
so i don't have to look them all up individually
plush tendon
and you can hover over the tier items
uneven mason
Was literally linked in the page I showed you
Frigging zoomers, I feel dirty for enabling
chrome falcon
yeah back in your day you would search each piece individually on thotbot and it sucked, i was just wondering if there was a convenient page that showed the entire catalyst set with all the options on the same page which would have been convenient
uneven mason
Back in my day we couldn't even see stats on loot unless we were looting the boss!
warm plinth
yeah back in your day you would search each piece individually on thotbot and it...
You can just search the beginning part of the set on wowhead and hit enter and it'll list all the pieces
teal swift
Back in my day we couldn't even see stats on loot unless we were looting the bos...
Atlas loot existed for a long time
uneven mason
Atlas loot existed for a long time
Everquest bruh
fiery gust
at what % haste should i swap haste gems out for crit?
uneven mason
Literally couldn't even link items for the first year
teal swift
🍣
teal swift
at what % haste should i swap haste gems out for crit?
When the robot tells you to
fiery gust
oh you still sim as prot ?
teal swift
Every tank, yep
teal swift
Yep, makes it super easy
fiery gust
also need a new craft
uneven mason
oh you still sim as prot ?
Yeah, although 7100 is the rating when haste drops off
fiery gust
got 2 embellishments do u just craft lowest ilvl up?
uneven mason
Yeah
fiery gust
i do have 1 crafted ring already
uneven mason
Ring is a good spot to craft on, since it's minimal stat loss over a maximum myth item
fiery gust
this chars only been up for 2 weeks
will link the rio now
ignore the neck
got that in vault
fiery gust
xD
orchid mural
ponders what most top warriors verse is
uneven mason
Whatever comes on their gear
dusky canopy
atal dazar final boss still a pug killer lol
Bro for real @lusty grotto and I had a fun experience in there last week
Healer kept trying to bait us behind boss which is correct however they kept going into a massive stack of spiders like bro????
uneven mason
what sims higher
This is the answer.
dusky canopy
Nim was doing the tettles vid. starting in the cubby, rotating clockwise, etc.
We killed it but man soul dropping was something else lmao
uneven mason
Nim was doing the tettles vid. starting in the cubby, rotating clockwise, etc.
W...
People have zero clue how that boss works I swear
dusky canopy
what sims higher
Crit gives more damage and added benefit of parry
Vers gives more defense against magic
uneven mason
Had a ret bubble and charger through spiders across the center
uneven mason
plush tendon
just gotta trust the robot
dusky canopy
Yes technically Vers can sim higher but you have to have a lot of Crit before it will
uneven mason
Literally only have that because it's on 2 tier pieces
dusky canopy
Vers will not fix that btw
mental scarab
Vers for more dmg
Hahahah
plush tendon
Crit ends up being really good for most people who dont prio it, but I feel like what happens is that players treat stats like dps and are like 'what are my two best and let me stack those' instead of being super fluid and acknowledging the merits of each stat
thin glade
All living buttons used, ded
dusky canopy
Then you need to space them out better
And as a last resort you can dstance / and or kite
uneven mason
Crit ends up being really good for most people who dont prio it, but I feel like...
Even that doesn't work most of the time due to how stats scale with eachother
thin glade
My last resort is going back to fury
teal swift
All living buttons used, ded
Provide a log
thin glade
And leaving prot to the prots
teal swift
We can't really diagnose your "recalled" experience
thin glade
I'm not asking for help tbf
thin glade
Just adding a bit of verbal diarrhea
I know exactly why I got smashed last time I tanked the TOTT dragon pack
uneven mason
Just dwarf
thin glade
Actually good point
teal swift
@plush tendon your pfp makes me happy
Idk every time I see it
I feel like there's a friend
warm plinth
It’s faction neutral right? Like panda?
Correct
silver ridge
WHERE IS PWAR BUFF
dusky canopy
Right behind the other 5 tanks since were the best
austere marsh
does the orange axe drop in prot spec?
waxen frigate
Yes
plush tendon
I feel like there's a friend
plush tendon
WHERE IS PWAR BUFF
biggest prot war buff would be to let them use 2h in 1h
give em right handed titans grip!
silver ridge
AND GIVE US RAGELUST
silver ridge
EXPELL ALL YOUR RAGE TO BOOST YOUR COMRADES WARRIOR SPIRIT
ashen coral
Release an equivalent to drum for self dispell would be awesome too
cyan berry
another kill, another L
Next week is your time to shine king
grim pilot
Ngl that sounds smart
16 sec dispel
Issue would be how you balance that
Since everyone having a dispel would be too op
Also what can you dispel exactly too
ashen coral
Issue would be how you balance that
A big cd like racial could be ok i guess
Why dwarf can be so advantaged compared to other tanks for example
grim pilot
Idk dwarf being this good
tawdry dirge
ihey how good is pips from a defensive pov
ashen coral
I see like top 10 prot war almost all dwarf
Also tott and brh gives a good advantage to dwarf
jagged pier
meh
jagged pier
thats better
tawdry dirge
fair play cheers
grim pilot
I see like top 10 prot war almost all dwarf
Also tott and brh gives a good adva...
Idk how high top 10 are but I’m fairly sure its not just cutoff level
jagged pier
dwarf just the best tank race
theres no if and or buts
so if your pushing WF keys of course u go dwarf
grim pilot
Wf ye
jagged pier
if u cap at lik 25s or what not
grim pilot
But u dont need if all u want is title
jagged pier
your race dont matter
grim pilot
Which is gonna be liken
grim pilot
27’s or sth
grizzled nova
I see like top 10 prot war almost all dwarf
Also tott and brh gives a good adva...
regardless of role, if you care about minmaxing and your class can be a dwarf, there's no reason not to be
teal swift
It's basically like getting lichborne for free
plush tendon
regardless of role, if you care about minmaxing and your class can be a dwarf, t...
if you dont like how your character looks, its a instant -15% dps
jagged pier
or u do this
jagged pier
that y u do it
waxen frigate
that y u do it
Real and true
My guild already in shambles because we have gotten 2 leggos and they’re both on non-raid characters
(First was a friends/family casual on his main, second was my warrior alt)
jagged pier
i got mine before christmas no dps so far have it
and i still havent done the quests
i mainly cba because i was like well now i have leggo i go dps and was told no
so whats the point
it wont get used
🤷
waxen frigate
My cotank is taking it well (he’s not)
pallid quiver
it wont get used
It's also a non-zero amount of money to make, too
jagged pier
money not the issue i have a lot of that 
i just
cba
also having to find ppl with profs
and they gunna upcharge me
no thnks
pallid quiver
yeah, but it's like a token's worth of money still, right?
pallid quiver
I'd rather have the token than leggo tbh
plush tendon
My cotank is taking it well (he’s not)
dont worry, hes getting it next week
100%
if he needs some copium, just have him put this string in
/dump C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2784)
will tell him how many lessers hes gotten
oblique garnet
Dont need lego if you only play prot
torn gulch
yea i am debating if i want to craft it and i am leaning on the side of no
my guild is not taking it well
i mean some of the dps
torn gulch
that is true i'll prob craft it and then see if ia ma gonna play dps
teal swift
It'll suck getting it crafted in 11.0+
It shouldn't be too bad if you get the mats
Level 1 should be enough to craft the shit, can probably use alts or a friends altss
strong forum
If it was 1,then you'd just learn and craft it for every single one yourself
Lol
No point to having the requirement then
Of needing the craft
Could just remove the quest step
waxen frigate
i mean some of the dps
Define not taking it well
Because if they’re actually bitching about it fuck em
They need to grow up
torn gulch
Define not taking it well
kinda bitching yes
torn gulch
not that big of a deal they're mostly joking
i did not realise it dropped until a guildie told me
teal swift
Yeah I dug Into it more
Apparently it is max profs oh well LOL
@strong forum
torn gulch
i was completely unaware
uneven mason
Cloak in my heroic box 
pretty sure my DK is going to get the Lego out of his
Because that's how it been the last few weeks
Cant believe I subjected myself to 4x rlp with DPS doing sub 40k for a cloak
elder crag
Is there a point in keys we just tank the whole time in def stance?
elder crag
Ok thank you
uneven mason
You could ask Plka
But he's probably getting ready for his next interview
Actually I'm not 100% sure
@patent osprey is there a point where you just ride defensive all the time?
patent osprey
Like the whole key?
Not realy
But like for majority of a pull yeah. Alot of throne pulls are like that with the bleed dragons
uneven mason
Like, you're hitting 29+ so figured if anyone knew
patent osprey
All the keys this season are stance dancing
uneven mason
K that's what I thought, but wanted to be sure
More than last season?
I guess it helps they buffed defensive a bit too
Less punishing to use it on the damage end
patent osprey
We are very tanky this season compared to last
plush stump
it does feel nice to have the stance dance back in the tool kit, adding a bit more to what we are juggling
elder crag
Thank you all for your responses. I was doing a 20 tyrannical everbloom and getting pushed in by the second boss after the charge and me charging back to the casters. It was suggested I just stay in defensive stance the whole key because I was getting chunked
silent vessel
a bit of nasty pulls in that dungeon, for sure
keep avatar for flower stacks unless u have a pala
or monk
you dont need to necessarily stay in def stance all dungeon, especially not in tyrannical weeks imho
waxen frigate
Thank you all for your responses. I was doing a 20 tyrannical everbloom and gett...
IMO, if you are struggling, there’s not a big downside to just sitting in dstance
The 5% Dps loss will not make or break anything for you
It’s a crutch you should look to get rid of but you’re not gonna brick any 20s by sitting n dstance
warm plinth
Sir it's 8% smh
elder crag
I guess if the 5% breaks the key maybe an issue with the DPS?
waxen frigate
I guess if the 5% breaks the key maybe an issue with the DPS?
Yes
thorn zephyr
Hey all whats the best play for the Protectors in Everbloom on tyran this week? Range just stay on Talu and tank (myself) and melee swap to other to interrupt revital?
dusky canopy
I usually just keep the charge boss on the poison boss until it dies, run out for the charge of course
If you have Aug they can solo kick healer
Or range kick the healer
You as tank should be able to solo the toxic cast or any melee
echo egret
WM tyrannical : After using heroism on witches, is it better to use it on Tree boss (it's usually ready again), or save it for Pig boss ?
uneven mason
How's it taking 10m to get from witches to tree?
echo egret
Because I don't pull like a maniac in pugs.
echo egret
Like never more than 2 witches together in the courtyard
past torrent
I clear trash to pig then by that time use it on tree
past torrent
Then kill pig without
uneven mason
Tree probably less threatening after nerf
past torrent
But after thorns nerf, might switch
uneven mason
Big lust for basement pull
jagged pier
i just dont know why they nerfed thorns wasnt even an issue
uneven mason
i just dont know why they nerfed thorns wasnt even an issue
If your tank clears stacks I guess
Idk
jagged pier
yer but your not supposed to
uneven mason
Legit only time I've died dpsing that fight was when the brm cleared stacks and thorns hit at the end
Unfathomable
Clearing stacks on freeboss
echo egret
Don't the thorns hit harder and harder with stacks ?
echo egret
Aaah
uneven mason
Stacks only affects bosses damage
jagged pier
ppl like to complain they do scale with boss damage
but its just eh affix
so it should be healable pretty much all the time
echo egret
... and that seem to be the only source of damage against the group ?
turbid shuttle
when you clear with fire it does aoe damage while he's running around
turbid shuttle
also little fire dudes spawn at that point and walk around, potentially hitting people
teal swift
Only WCM boss that I hate
Is witches
Fuck that boss lmao
I'm so fucking powerless
turbid shuttle
kick off mobs during group damage, and rally during the purple debuff mob
about all you can do
toxic pewter
best part of atal dazar is final boss when everyone else is dead
and you get the fun spell reflect time
idle quartz
Carrying the awful pug group to victory against Yezma to their absolute awe is always a treat
Sorry, I mean Yezma
idle quartz
Warrior defensives are absolutely clutch ngl, I’ve survived some crazy stuff for like no reason
lusty grotto
it was pain as both warrior and dh with 0 haste going off
idle quartz
Hate how useless I feel against affixes sometimes. Makes up for how good I feel in raid though
median tulip
WM tyrannical : After using heroism on witches, is it better to use it on Tree b...
I usually clear out Raal's wing to give lust time to be available, and then Lust the Wickerman. In my experience Raal is both not particularly dangerous, and not a very good lust target.
echo egret
👍
boreal heath
i just dont know why they nerfed thorns wasnt even an issue
I mean considering the play on high keys was to go out and grab a PvP trinket, thorns was probably an issue
opaque quest
If thorns dont hit the aug youre fucked ye
blazing condor
I usually clear out Raal's wing to give lust time to be available, and then Lust...
Raal is annoying with all the shit on the floor
Ppl kill those blobs insta
So it just spawns wherever
median tulip
AFAIK the damage from the floor crap doesn't scale, though
median tulip
Yeah, it's a bit annoying but it ain't in any way dangerous
median tulip
Storming is a bit of a pain on him, but that's mostly because you can't move him or leave melee
warm plinth
Is it
5% damage loss from running Dstance but you also lose the 3% crit from Battle Stance which is ~3% damage
median tulip
quaking used to be ass on it
The worst season for quaking was Season 2 of Shadowlands, with that Chain Miniboss for the seasonal affix
lusty grotto
ill take your word for it, but theres a lot of other examples
still dont regret quitting after S1
median tulip
Season 1 of SL was the best raid, but the worst M+
warm plinth
and the condemn animation
lusty grotto
either way quaking has been a pain in the ass in any boss where stacking is required
had*
like workchop doggo
or extremely tiny hitboxes
but honestly id rather deal with quaking than afflicted
obviously casters dont feel the same way, that was aids for them
opaque quest
CN was the only good thing out of it for sure
Necrolord lore tho
strong forum
yeah we already tested smth fun
you can funnel the stacks onto ST
i hit a 2.5mil combo on 1 target with it today
with only 18 stacks
basically apply stacks to infinite targets
then get the kill target isolated
and send leggo
teal swift
strong forum
i hit a 1.5mil combo onto dresaron with whelpling mark pad
urban portal
its pretty often yeah
but honestly im fairly sure its an overall dps loss to cast axe if you actually get 50 stacks
because you lose out on so much DOT
strong forum
every melee attack
that you do
thunderclap/whirlwind for arms to apply all marks in aoe
they literally instantly apply
strong forum
because you lose out on so much DOT
no cuz you instantly apply them again lol
you buff the on use by 500% + an additional 75% buff from hitting 5 targets
when you have 50 marks
urban portal
i didnt know theres a 2nd BFA split going on
strong forum
yeah on use is bfa split
urban portal
i thought the 10% per target was it, didnt know it had the bfa split attribute at the end
i thought it was a regular split
strong forum
regular split IS bfa split
everything that is "split"
is BFA split
augury is bfa split
leggo is bfa split, branch is bfa split
uhm what other trinkets are there
but you get the point
whetstone was bfa split
warm plinth
Like the only thing that isn't bfa split is light's judgment (LFD racial) which I believe is still uncapped entirely
strong forum
and boon from vault
warm plinth
oh right
strong forum
entirely uncapped
warm plinth
Because it's technically individual hits to each target
strong forum
its just uncapped
warm plinth
You're uncapped
strong forum
it just is
i wish
nah i like arms' 2 target niche
its very enjoyable to have a situation where youre the best dps
EB 2nd boss
doing 400k dps with aug
waxen frigate
losing my mind
lusty grotto
im just
in front of amirdrassil looking at heroic pug groups
and i just dont know if i have it in me lol
to reclear again on a 3rd char
its a considerable time commitment for a group to find healers, and then refill, and its always a group with more than 20 people in it
idk
warm bison
When you guys are avataring in m+ are you guys shield slamming in between every clap or revenge spamming? I find I have infinite rage and didn't know if it's better to just keep shield slamming and spamming pointless ignore pains
Esp when dragon roar is up and i can tab shield slam?
toxic pewter
O_O
lusty grotto
yes you keep shield slamming
and IPs arent pointless they trigger your tier31
using rage is a huge part of our toolkit
it goes into AM and Violent Outburst
faster wall/avatar refreshes, big damage
toxic pewter
are people actually tab swapping and SSing
lusty grotto
no
toxic pewter
I guess if they are gonna die within 8 seconds or whatever it could be worth it I guess?
even then dunno
warm plinth
Why would you tab target SS
warm plinth
but it...does the same damage
toxic pewter
yeah i dont get it only way I can see it worth it if the mobs will die before all the ticks go off
lusty grotto
i mean i didnt pay attention to the last part, but its nothing they should be focusing on
warm plinth
in which case you probably shouldn't have used TR to begin with
toxic pewter
thats true
vocal flame
Helped a guildie do the weekly and he got the signat band in the cache 😭
lusty grotto
it be like that sometimes
jagged gust
So I just had a tank keep the double dragons on Galakrond split the entire fight, new tech? /s
jagged gust
Yeah I knew something was happening that run when it took 4 pulls to get to first boss
toxic pewter
one dragon cant be moved during that encounter right
and one can i think
but yeah not keeping them together, thats wild
jagged gust
Yeah so he would leap to the further one that moves and keep it locked there, while I solo tanked the other one lmao
20 btw
toxic pewter
jeeze
jagged gust
I hate how misaligned fury and prot stats are, pugs sure do make me miss tanking
I do have a question about the 2nd EB boss
Is it traditional to keep the party focused on the right mage and not swap between furies?
lusty grotto
correct
you still need someone to kick the heal when the other guy becomes active, but yea that's the play
warm plinth
one dragon cant be moved during that encounter right
They can both move but the left one won't at first
toxic pewter
ok good to know
opaque quest
I hate how misaligned fury and prot stats are, pugs sure do make me miss tanking
You can just run haste mastery and be fine for pugging as fury
Haste crit is basically the same. You want 45% mastery as fury
Which is achieved by 1-2 pieces
lusty grotto
fury is mastery versa now for the most part
warm bison
Why would you tab target SS
My thought was doing this during dragon roar for extra dmg I guess maybe I don't fully understand the tier bonus
warm plinth
Shield slamming thunderous roar doesn't increase its damage
It just makes its damage happen instantly
lusty grotto
yup
warm plinth
So shield slamming other targets isn't going to do anything.
warm bison
Ah thanks I was doing all that work for nothing
warm plinth
You're not the first person to make the same mistake though so
warm bison
So we really aren't revenging much at all in high keys then I guess just shield slam spam and ignore pain
warm plinth
Yeah you do it when you have time which is not much haha
warm plinth
Remember the good ole days of Legion where you'd pop Recklessness and just go SLAMSLAMSLAMSLAMSLAMSLAM
Fun times
Or well, it was battle shout I guess right
warm bison
Haha thanks bois , haven't protted since shadowlands, just recently came back
warm plinth
w/e the fuck it was called then
chilly brook
yeah and haste is like, awful
not awful in fairness just not the best
yeah yeah I know statweights are dead but it does give an idea
I'm also sitting at 33% unbuffed in fury
warm plinth
Yeah those are what I'd call pretty fuckin even stat weights
with a slight skew away from haste
jagged gust
Yeah it doesn't look too far off, but those differences sure do feel like thry stack up when comparing gear
mortal notch
we arent really revenging much period
I revenge all the time in high keys. No issues and high damage
lusty grotto
I revenge all the time in high keys. No issues and high damage
🤷
you do you, we dont recommend it but you do you
median tulip
Revenge is ok. Keeps the Deep Wounds rolling, can reset Shield Slam. Got plenty of other buttons to press though.
chilly brook
I revenge all the time in high keys. No issues and high damage
you could do more though
and be more tanky
and it costs you nothing
lusty grotto
its just a 1guy
vocal flame
I revenge cause I get scared I won’t keep aggro on a pack that might get butt pulled lol. I try not to press it unless it’s free tho.
vocal flame
Wow even if it’s free? Interesting ok.
lusty grotto
yes
vocal flame
Think I just gotta remove it from my keybinds lol
lusty grotto
not really
its fine to use it
just not better than the other 2
and you still need to use it if both SS and TC are on cd
vocal flame
True I feel like I use it too much but I’ll just keep an eye on it and do better.
Was doing a 20 DHT and a dps left cause we wiped one time on tree and were like 13 mins ahead 😦
crystal mauve
Revenge is still around 5-6k dps for me in keys so it would still consider it a relevant button to press
lusty grotto
anything is damage
in comparison to others
its not
especially when the others generate rage
nobody is saying dont use it period
its just in the bottom of the barrel
crystal mauve
On average clap does indeed more damage than my revenge *
modern gazelle
revenge does help with violent outburst though
raw parcel
Woop! Got all the portals! Just got last one.
lusty grotto
congrats
raw parcel
Thanks. Heart is racing. Almost wiped on the last boss of Rise.
First season getting even one of these. This is fun. 😄
modern gazelle
or at least in that very specific scenario
That and in spending the rage to get more casts of VO
lusty grotto
nah
if revenge was off-gcd, that would be a good point
but its not
therefore that specific point is not really worth thinking on
pale oracle
Anyone have any advice on surviving the tree boss in dht?
soft dragon
out range with leap
the breath
dont forget to take the talent to havea reduce couldown
then cd def on each grab
pale oracle
Wow I totally forgot you can leap away from it
Can't you do the same with last boss in rise?
soft dragon
y u can
ionic fern
Jep, Leap out of Breath.
Rotate defensives + defensive stance + IV.
Ideally you would also go into the grab with full IP and full bar of Rage to spend on IP.
pale oracle
That makes sense, I'm a bit undergeared since this is my alt but I figured there must be something I can do to mitigate some DMG, the grab right after the breath nuked me. Thanks lads
novel temple
I just logged in and remembered the other vault drop that got me
the crab trinket from throne
with the mastery/avoidance proc
ionic fern
Did you..crab it?
novel temple
its the only myth track item
and its simming ahead for arms rn
simming more than rezans at least for arms
I might actually get the crab for arms
fringe lava
Given the toolkit of DH and Pally.
Would it be to OP if Ravager and/or Shattering Throw also silenced the targets?
mortal brook
brave jetty
anyone having a lot of issues w/Raal in WM this week?
he's broken like all my groups
tree was always fine, Raal just fucked us
blazing condor
So what killed you?
ionic fern
anyone having a lot of issues w/Raal in WM this week?
Nope.
He does nothing.
If your group is bad, they are bad. 🤷
brave jetty
Group just falls behind on adds
ionic fern
That sounds like a big DPS issue tho.
brave jetty
Runs around like they're on fire with a single slime on them
so I'm burning all my globals heroic throwing some slime that's 20 feet away
(after having taunted the other that spawns at range and isn't brought in)
blazing condor
Like mwahi said you can only really wipe to bad players on him.
Either you got a bad tank who doesnt stand in melee with the boss. Or you got bad dps who stand in both frontals or cant kill ads
jagged pier
The worst is when range stand at the back of the room with the adds and complain about having aggro
Cool bro bring them to melee please
blazing condor
What most ppl dont know about the fight is that the expulsion that spawns ads actually is a frontal you should dodge
Ppl always die or get 90% damaged for no reason
echo egret
What most ppl dont know about the fight is that the expulsion that spawns ads ac...
Are you absolutely certain of this ? The text seems to indicate damage on impact only.
blazing condor
I cant say im absolutely sure. But i’m pretty sure my pugs take damage as soon as the cast is over/before the ads actually spawn
lyric cape
Yea when the adds spawn it first is a frontal cone
If your infront of it you take damage regardless if you stand in the add spawn circles or not
echo egret
Okay, so we can blame Blizzard for another obscure mechanism written nowhere.
ionic fern
Are you absolutely certain of this ? The text seems to indicate damage on impact...
It's true.
You can dodge it tho.
Okay, going over logs..maybe? 👀
I never really pay attention to it.
😂
lyric cape
It shows on logs. but if you don't actually know it has initial frontal damage you could refer it to standing in a green add explosion
ionic fern
There's 2 damage events in logs, same name, different ID.
lyric cape
owh really
blazing condor
I agree that its a very unintuitive frontal
Especially when you also got another frontal ability on the same fight
Thats much better telegraphed
echo egret
Yeah I browsed logs but hard to have a solid rock evidence.
grim pilot
I’m 99.99% sure u can dodge it for 2 reasons
1 being I think my wm is fairly low and I remember taking fuckton of damage from that
And 2nd being i could swear people r not taking dam at all when the cast goes off
When I saw high tyra wm
blazing condor
Ye u can definitely dodge it
Just try and stand in front on ur next key and see for urself
ionic fern
This was on a 27, damage taken from that ability.
So either..it's the swirlies and we sucked and got hit by them.
Or it's the "frontal", that can be dodged and we got hit by it.
Since only 3 players got hit out of 5.
I honestly don't know if there is a "frontal" part to it.
ionic fern
Jeah, the question is, does that ability also have a "frontal" damage part to it.
Since sometimes it seems like you don't get hit by the swirlies, but still take damage when the ability goes off.
strong forum
No it's just the landing spot of the adds that does dmg
grim pilot
I think that only the targeted person can get hit by it
Unless someone moves straight onto him
ionic fern
Think we got a WM ..i'll try and actually pay attention to it this time.
pallid quiver
We'll ignore how my pugs and people I know say the damage from that ability is just straight out unavoidable because that helps 0% in this convo
ionic fern
But i'd also expect the same outcome as Nome said.
strong forum
That is from being thrown at
First one I ate apparently
This is from standing in poop
echo egret
We can't even test it without a key, since it's too low level and we take no spell damage at all.
strong forum
I mean it's pretty clear in my first screenshot
Only once throughout the entire fight
People ate dmg from the throw
There are no other dmg events on that boss that you "don't know" where they're from
Bile explosion is adds dying
Rage is potion, tenderize is the triple frontal, rageheart is rageheart, shadowflame is shadowflame
The green expulsion is the poop on floor
The purple expulsion is the throw
toxic pewter
I hope in TWW they fix the thunderclap radius issues
all this thunderclap focus coming they really need to
lusty grotto
well i wouldnt say its top prio
its like 1 yard
i would say having a SL cap is a bigger issue
but thats not gonna change anytime soon unless they just uncap aoes in general
good morning also
toxic pewter
i swear its like 3 yards (the radius is 5 yards when its supposed to be 8 yards)
lusty grotto
i tested it with jordan remember
toxic pewter
yeah wasnt it like 5 or 6 yards
lusty grotto
kind of
toxic pewter
yeah i need my full 8 yards
especially when BDK gets 10 yards with their bloodboil
and remove the cap or increase the cap
also doesnt rend not get applied in a smart way I swear I read that
sturdy cloud
Ok good it’s not just me thinking that TC felt a bit small
lusty grotto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jk2of5aWOk heres when we tested, it was in august though
disenchanting tool is 8 yards
toxic pewter
What was the verdict anyway
toxic pewter
Oh
Damn I guess not the worst but still should be fixed but yeah not as high priority agreed
lusty grotto
but terrain elevations also factor in slightly, that area is mostly flat but idk
toxic pewter
Pretty wild bloodboil is uncapped and larger radius and has two charges
I get we clap more and gives us rage
But still kinda weird
lusty grotto
well uncapped tc would be a bfa repeat at the moment lol
people would bitch and moan about the huge aoe damage once again
lusty grotto
yeah a tad more would be a good change
toxic pewter
Agreed
blazing condor
man i dont even have anything to craft rn
i can gain like 0.3% dps if i craft a belt thats about it
lusty grotto
brez bracer + shadowflame belt and/or unstable frostfire belt
in case you need to run bracer
but otherwise yea were at the stage where we start to accumulate sparks until fated season
blazing condor
i didnt play fated in SL but its just "all raids but higher ilvl items" right
and "maybe" some affix type raid
blazing condor
would imagine so
lusty grotto
raid affixes, not just 1, it depends what your group wants to do
blazing condor
wonder what the bis is gonna look like
lusty grotto
cause they were all kiss curses, so you get buffed
toxic pewter
voti tier set the best looking warr tier set in df
blazing condor
yeah its cool
toxic pewter
what item u guys gonna use dinar on first
prob fyrakk trinket perhaps... or BACON?
prob some trinket i bet
lusty grotto
depends on sims
lusty grotto
pretty sure eranog ring will make a comeback
toxic pewter
oh snap forgot about the ring
lusty grotto
that might be an interesting one
toxic pewter
could end up being bis i bet
lusty grotto
i wonder how gholak racks up against forgestorm and strike twice
probably beats them outright cause stats
blazing condor
hell nah i aint tryna keep both anvil and brand up at the same time
toxic pewter
oh ya
lusty grotto
manic grief
blazing condor
what trinkets did we like in season 1
all totem, grief
blazing condor
blazing hoof from rlp
toxic pewter
osnap all totem is great
but i think it will def be anvil and signet if u want to be a timerunner. if not, will prob see beacon again it just does too much damage
rich wyvern
but i think it will def be anvil and signet if u want to be a timerunner. if not...
Tbf they did nerf bacon coming out of s2 so
toxic pewter
omg, double on use, beacon and grieftorch incoming
that may be wat people do unironically
lusty grotto
that wont apply to fated season kit
rich wyvern
that wont apply to fated season kit
Has that been confirmed anywhere? I haven’t seen any info on how they’re handling fated
toxic pewter
all unknown so far afaik
rich wyvern
Mm
toxic pewter
i just have fun speculating
rich wyvern
Don’t we all
lusty grotto
the idea is beacon was nerfed to people used new trinkets
thats not gonna happen for a fated
rich wyvern
Tbf it only needed nerfing bc it was far-and-away better than competitors right
lusty grotto
than new trinkets
rich wyvern
Which seems like a valid reason to keep it nerfed for fated, for the sake of build diversity
lusty grotto
nah
rich wyvern
I play healer on my main and I just don’t want to think about another season of rashok oppression 🫠
toxic pewter
oh roshak trinekt def will be used i bet
blazing condor
🤢
toxic pewter
they just have too much going into the new expansions
blazing condor
they need to do more with the live game before they pump everything into next xpac
look at Emerald Dream
worst "major conent update" zone theyve put out
hazy bronze
They realized they could get away with fated in SL
toxic pewter
some say war within is basically just a filler expansion
and that the real resources are going into midnight
the people want midnight
cuz of going back to quel thelas and elves and crap and true void expansion
blazing condor
i love paying monthly for a game just so i can enjoy it "for real" in 3 and a half years
toxic pewter
lol
df and war within are basically wod
and midnight is legion
think of it that way
blazing condor
surely
lusty grotto
people speculating over something that isnt even released lol
blazing condor
yeah also that
toxic pewter
what else is there to speculate about
lusty grotto
touching grass
blazing condor
why the focus gotta be on future expansions to begin with
toxic pewter
grass has not been released afaik..
blazing condor
fix the game thats live rn
lusty grotto
like why would you even bother thinking about if x upcoming expansion is gonna be like y past expansion
its pointless
toxic pewter
somethin to do
toxic pewter
omg
who want me to develop grass simulator
does that exist yet
damn it already exists on steam
ashen coral
Hello I have a question, if I parry an auto attack from dogs in tott or from rezan, does it cancel the following dot ?
lusty grotto
it should
ashen coral
Oh it’s cool, also, why when I swap to offensive stance, my parry stat doesn’t increase ? I thought it was directly linked to crit ?
strong forum
Don't think you can parry rezan bleed
strong forum
Oh it’s cool, also, why when I swap to offensive stance, my parry stat doesn’t i...
%crit gains don't contribute to parry
Only crit rating does
And str ofc
ashen coral
Oh ok I see
Yeah for rezan i guess it is a special mechanic (I thought it was melee who put dot) but i have my answer
trim bay
my sb uptime on recount is diff
been afk for a week
im shit or did they change something
lusty grotto
nothing has changed
warm plinth
I didn't know recount even still existed
dusky canopy
Yes, in one week they completely changed the spec to lessen your shield block uptime on details
lusty grotto
i had a guy running skada last week on fyraak
warm plinth
Wow
frosty mango
They have their place
dusky canopy
Oh GM btw
warm plinth
my sb uptime on recount is diff
How different exactly? It's a gameplay thing certainly but it shouldn't be significantly different I would hope
frosty mango
Details is pretty resource intensive, if you have a potato from 1995 may as well run 1995 addons
warm plinth
It never even comes close to what WAs use, or even elvui so idk