protection

[lusty grotto]

crit shield wins

[clever sleet]

maybe in your world

i play with shit healers

so i prefer verse

[waxen frigate]

Can we go fishing

[lusty grotto]

so you prefer 2% damage reduction

over how much chance of a full mit ?

hell is that even 2% dr?

oh

not even that

its like 250 versa which is what

[clever sleet]

154

[lusty grotto]

lol

ok

[urban portal]

0.6% dr

or what

[lusty grotto]

yeah around that lol

[urban portal]

do people just not realize that all 4 stats give defensive power

and vers is the worst at it

[teal swift]

"variance"

"reliability"

[tulip warren]

isn’t shields always the highest priority for prot warriors?

[teal swift]

"crit isn't reliable enough"

[broken kite]

Entirely depends on the content

[clever sleet]

Ya know the way you guys give out help is gonna make people ignore these class discords lol

[broken kite]

Yep

[strong forum]

our main mitigation tool is block, not stats

so if your goal is defensive play

ilvl on shield is the absolute highest priority

bar none

[teal swift]

Class discords can only give you correct optimal information.

[lusty grotto]

yes

[plush tendon]

can always pug first boss on mythic

I feel like thats a thing

[teal swift]

If you want anything other than optimal, feel craft it, shoot your shot, equip vers every slot with cheat death trinkets to cope.

But people can't really suggest you play suboptimally, the only one size fits all solution for keys 2-35 is optimal.

@plush tendon did you see my new pfp

It's waving ✨

[plush tendon]

is that a bed bug

[teal swift]

No

Supergiant isopod

[clever sleet]

ive found class discord in the past to be extremely in accuaruate for high end play

[teal swift]

If it works at the high end, it works at the low end, things do less damage so we need even less defensive itemization

For me, I play like a potato so I cope with defensive comfort picks I shouldn't need

[clever sleet]

no, im saying when i was progging mythic the Dk discord was so innacuarte it wasnt even funny

[clever sleet]

i just play the game and push all buttons

i have lived 99% of shit

[strong forum]

for the tank side of things i cant think of any discord that is giving poor information

[lusty grotto]

didnt you just say you had shit healers though?

[teal swift]

DK discord has mandl

There's 0% chance

They got bad information

[clever sleet]

mandl been there since legionh

[lusty grotto]

what kind of high end play are you doing that youre complaining about shit healers and relying on 0.6% dr as a crutch?

[plush tendon]

little do you know.... all the tank discords are like a hivemind that are all ran by the same mysterious bear

[teal swift]

Steve lurks in the shadows

[clever sleet]

prot pally wasnt orignally

[teal swift]

We do not talk about thesteve

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1103239167720300544.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[clever sleet]

you act like its a crutch

i do 22s

higher then the average player

[lusty grotto]

ok?

[teal swift]

Congrats you can do keys barely above the minimum

👏 👏 👏

[clever sleet]

yes most of the community cant

[teal swift]

Most of the community can't do a 10

[clever sleet]

ya so idk why people are pricks past that

[strong forum]

generally

[teal swift]

Because if you're in the 5% of the game that actually interacts with discords

[strong forum]

people in the 11-20 range

are way more toxic

[teal swift]

The standard is higher for you

[strong forum]

than people in the 25-27+ range

and people in the low ranges

think class and stats matter way more

than they do

[teal swift]

Don't you love looking at a log

And they used shield wall once

In 35 minutes

And ask why they died

[clever sleet]

in heroic raids shield wall isnt very needed

in mythic ya

[teal swift]

I'm talking about keys

[strong forum]

heroic raid aint a metric

[teal swift]

Raid plays itself

[strong forum]

thats where you ignore everything

and just fullsend

[teal swift]

Tanking skill floor in raid is so low

[strong forum]

mythic you also fullsend

and use CDs at the right time

and continue fullsending

[teal swift]

You might have 1-2 tiers a fight on mythic that tank needs to do something

[strong forum]

raid is built around being beatable

(tindral and fyrakk are an exception still)

theyre beasts

[teal swift]

Isn't tindral, tank learns fight in 10 pulls

[strong forum]

thats every fight

[teal swift]

And then spends 500 pulls

[strong forum]

but 3 pulls

[teal swift]

For rest of the team

[strong forum]

fyrakk has almost more coordination in p3 for tanks

[clever sleet]

i dont have issue with cd managment in keys. i just dont have a group to keep pushing. i pug so i dont push my self atal.

[teal swift]

Yeah idk, raid tanking is like playing a song on the recorder in 2nd grade

Shits literally fucking hot cross buns

[strong forum]

today made me yet again say

i refuse to pug tanks

3 dogshit tanks

back to back

[strong forum]

a VDH who complained 3 times about not being healed

in fucking 25tott

when hes dying in under 1second

[teal swift]

Was qvoid your healer

LOL

Yes he was

[strong forum]

dafuq do you mean "not being healed"

[teal swift]

[blazing condor]

play with me and you only get one bad tank (overall)

[teal swift]

I heard about that dh

LOL

[strong forum]

a vdh asking for heals

fucking clown

[teal swift]

Dude took 1.2m damage in 2.1s

"where's my heals"

Question should've been

Why the fuck didn't I hit anything, not even demonspikes

[strong forum]

pulled aoe spamming trash pack, drops to 20% hp, sends hunt into next pack

[teal swift]

The healer in that run

Told me how bad the

[urban portal]

even a hypothetical boss where all it does is shoot bolts at your face

[teal swift]

Tanks were

[strong forum]

whilst 800yd away from healer

[urban portal]

vers is still your 2nd worst

[strong forum]

"dude where heals"

ye ik bolvar is active in acherus

[teal swift]

Yeah, he been my friend

Since he was in skyhold lol

He's good people

But God damn can someone make a bit command

[urban portal]

macro demon spikes to rotational

its so easy

[teal swift]

That explains why tanks don't really need healers

[lusty grotto]

i aint here to measure e-peen but, most of us are past 22s and have been for a while

[vocal flame]

haha that was hilarious

[strong forum]

if you need mad healer attention

[teal swift]

Because the sheer amount of healer complaints

[strong forum]

its cuz you play like ass

[teal swift]

Tanks need as much healer as a DPS does

They cover the rest

[strong forum]

stg i tanked wcm24 yesterday and didnt receive any heals

[clever sleet]

so that means you can be a dick?

[strong forum]

cuz i didnt need any

[lusty grotto]

and if youre relying so much on healers that you feel the need to complain about them

[clever sleet]

what happens when someone lower comes in and cant handle this type of talk?

[strong forum]

nah im just tilted from today

[lusty grotto]

that you take 0.6% dr as a crutch...

idk what to tell you

[toxic pewter]

arent vdh effectively the most tanky tank right now

[strong forum]

they are

immortal

[clever sleet]

bro if im not dying and the group is

[lusty grotto]

on 22s...

[clever sleet]

i try to help

[plush tendon]

they are weak for like 3 seconds on pull

[urban portal]

1% vers wouldnt help all good

[plush tendon]

but once a VDH gets rolling.... they cant die

[toxic pewter]

never should see the words vdh and complaining in the same sentence these days

smh

[teal swift]

Cover it with a CD a sigil, spikes

[plush tendon]

but Ive been playing my VDH recently

[clever sleet]

nim is just a prick with how he talks otherwise this would have been a quick easy convo

[plush tendon]

its super fun

[lusty grotto]

lol

[toxic pewter]

lol

[teal swift]

If you have a problem with people

Maybe you should find another community

[lusty grotto]

i get people upset without even trying

[teal swift]

Nim and I get along like 25% of the time

[toxic pewter]

he not even a prick he just tellin it like it is

[teal swift]

But his advice is solid

[clever sleet]

he needs to learn how to word shit

[toxic pewter]

lol wat u think we are? druids or somethin? LOL

[vocal flame]

you need to learn Nim I think its tough love

[lusty grotto]

ok here goes

[teal swift]

If you want friendship circle bullshit, go elsewhere. If you want to improve you game play be here.

[clever sleet]

my gameplay is fine i asked about a shield

got attitude

[teal swift]

I doubt your gameplay is fine

Provide a log if you're gonna make bold statements

[toxic pewter]

no it became a stat discussion tbh, stats are a known topic that comes up literally 8 million times a day

[lusty grotto]

hewwo, if ywu wely on heewlewrs on twenty twos so mwuch that ywu need 0.6% on a shile as a cwutch, idk what two teww ywo

is that better?

[vocal flame]

damn lol

[teal swift]

Nim in chat rn

[clever sleet]

M+ or raid

[vocal flame]

is that a rat?

[clever sleet]

so you are okay with defending people being toxic to people who are asking for help

congrats for being part of the issue

[teal swift]

I don't think it's toxic

[clever sleet]

how is being rude not toxic>?

This is suppose to be a place to get help

[teal swift]

So far you've been the most toxic person here

You've insulted people several times

Calling them pricks etc

[clever sleet]

ya nim

cause he has been

[teal swift]

I didn't see him be toxic. Abrasive maybe.

So far, only toxic player is you 🤷‍♀️

[strong forum]

nim is like the rough old man

[clever sleet]

Thats still gonna make people not wanna be here

[strong forum]

he doesnt give you the answer

he wants you to come the answer yourself

[clever sleet]

ya keep defending him

[strong forum]

im just explaining him

not necessarily defending his attitude

i have had a word with him before

[clever sleet]

it didnt help

People come here for help not for some abrasive person who thinks hes above everyone

[vocal flame]

He was saying the shield was better for block value but he did it with a meme and some sass

[teal swift]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal flame]

but he knows his stuff tho like Nom

help me all the time with my nub questions and gameplay

[clever sleet]

then maybe help him figure out how to say it

[vocal flame]

some people communicate the way they do, that is life

[clever sleet]

not everyone is just gonna be okay with it

[teal swift]

Why are you so bitter about this

This is a robust community

You don't need to like everyone

Just block and move on

[harsh laurel]

First day on discord?

[teal swift]

Half the community can't stand me

But I'm still welcome here

So is Yogi

Etc

[vocal flame]

Love Yogi haha

[teal swift]

Yogi is a character

[clever sleet]

When you come for help you dont need that type of shit. i hold on to it because half the people i interact with end up being like that. this is a help diiscord what do people not get?

abrasive behaviour just gets people to not wanna ask for help when they need it

[plush tendon]

Nim waved to me once in game

So he’s cool af

[lusty grotto]

if you learn the answer, dont you think you'd be less likely to come around asking?

[plush tendon]

[vocal flame]

DUDE NIM MADE MY SHIELD before he server transferred 😦

[lusty grotto]

and therefore completely avoid all this unnecessary bitching?

[uneven mason]

Whoa how much did I miss? @lusty grotto catch me up

[vocal flame]

whenever I saw him i would /bow

[lusty grotto]

how do people not think the greatest help is helping themselves

i said so earlier

teach a man to fish

[clever sleet]

which i have done to this point

[teal swift]

Random is upset that Nim didn't greet with rainbows and kittens

[vocal flame]

I ask a lot of questions and people answer the way they like to. Everyone has a different communication style @clever sleet just gotta adapt and move forward. 99% of the time they have been cordial.

[teal swift]

Nim wasn't the one to start flinging personal attacks 🥹

[uneven mason]

Bruh nim greets me with dn and eat my asshair

We still high five

[teal swift]

Bofa

[clever sleet]

keep eating his ass im good

[lusty grotto]

candice

[left bloom]

just be glad you arent being told to check the pins so you can go to a guide that will give you information that was outdated 2 expansions ago 🙂

[teal swift]

Which guide is that out of date

[toxic pewter]

I know what this is really about

[vocal flame]

not eating his ass lol if you want to learn from the best you ask the best thats how you learn.

[uneven mason]

Pins be legit

[toxic pewter]

this is the age old argument of vers vs crit

thats the real crux here

[lusty grotto]

he could be talking about a different disc

[uneven mason]

Plka isn't in today

[vocal flame]

haha true

[lusty grotto]

and sense is always quiet, watching

ready to strike

[blazing condor]

thats how gods do it

[uneven mason]

It takes something phenomenal to get sense or deswind to chime in

[cinder pasture]

I'm always quiet and watching....Does that make me a god 🤔

[orchid mural]

maybe ...

[uneven mason]

No makes you a stalker

[lusty grotto]

its ok we have Nome 🙂

[cinder pasture]

[teal swift]

What hero tree is the best (asking in advance)

[lusty grotto]

hes like andy's secretary

[clever sleet]

ive asked the best in other class discords they just happily answer question and help you understand

the best doesnt always come with how nim acts

[lusty grotto]

well thats cause im not the best

[uneven mason]

Nim is knowledgable, but sus skill

[clever sleet]

then why act like it

[lusty grotto]

im not

[clever sleet]

Help people learn

[lusty grotto]

thats literally what i tried to do with you lmao

[uneven mason]

Because you don't have to win the Daytona 500 to be an engineer

[teal swift]

This dude rn

[clever sleet]

At the end of the day you will think im wrong cause hes your friend

[lusty grotto]

lol

ig

[teal swift]

I think youre wrong

And Nim fucking hates me

[toxic pewter]

listen lets break this down to the real issue at hand

[uneven mason]

I mean I think he gave you the information you needed to reach the answer

[toxic pewter]

how much versa u packin

[uneven mason]

3%

[clever sleet]

23%3

[uneven mason]

Cant get lower

[toxic pewter]

right u a versalord

now, welcome

[clever sleet]

thats how the gear came but

[toxic pewter]

we are crit enjoyers here

ok

do you want to try out crit

or na

[lusty grotto]

regardless the question wasnt about crit vs versa

[teal swift]

That's a lot of vers

[clever sleet]

i normally have high crit

[lusty grotto]

it was about a shield

[clever sleet]

^

[toxic pewter]

wasnt it about a shield with like vers vs shield with crit though

[lusty grotto]

and i answered him with a question

which should pretty much give him the answer

[clever sleet]

In which it did

[toxic pewter]

nice

[clever sleet]

you just had to do it that way

[uneven mason]

I'm just shocked that for once it's not someone loosing their mind about Jakey

[toxic pewter]

this is good we are all making progress

how did it feel when you learned about this shield situation

[clever sleet]

you might be

that i have to wait till i have aspects to use it

have is wrong word

am going to

[teal swift]

Jakey has always been really good to me

Do people have bad interactions with him?

[uneven mason]

Jakey super toxic, don't spread lies Yuzu

[clever sleet]

My issue is him answer with a question idc about stats i can read a guide

[plush tendon]

Is this prot warrior couples therapy or something?

[teal swift]

No, not enough femboys

[toxic pewter]

how did it feel when you were questioned about block value of shield

[clever sleet]

Nothing will get solved because people think in a helping discord answering with a meme and another question is gonna make people wanna ask more then one question

[harsh laurel]

Take the shield and move on

[clever sleet]

keep defending its why people avoid these placves

[toxic pewter]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

lol apb dont bother

it is how it is

[clever sleet]

legit people hate class discords cause of it

[toxic pewter]

i realized something

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-gif-9007195729072980537

[harsh laurel]

Make your own snowflake serves then

[toxic pewter]

this was never about a shield..

[harsh laurel]

If you can’t handle the heat

[clever sleet]

why all the guides are on wowhead no use for this discord past specific question

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-mickey-mouse-okay-good-gif-17358609803567892185

[teal swift]

He'll keep whining and eventually disappear

[harsh laurel]

Can’t expect people to behave like you want

[toxic pewter]

not sure i understand what you even mean tbh

[harsh laurel]

Are you 10 years old

[clever sleet]

the guildes here are on wowhead

[teal swift]

Imagine complaining about free advice and answers

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/roger-that-copy-yup-agree-nods-gif-9495067

[teal swift]

If you want higher quality service and answers

Maybe pay for them

Drop panthea a $5

Dude will answer anything you want

About any tank spec lul

[clever sleet]

wanting basic human decency shouldn't cost money

[median tulip]

Welp, just got HC Gholak. Sophic or Wafting?

[raw parcel]

Two choices this week in vault... simple 6 ilvl upgrade on cloak, or..

13 ilvl upgrade on trinket, but changing out champion track Rezan's eye for Myth track, with avoidance, Spores of Alacrity.

[teal swift]

"human decency" in 2024 is answering questions you could've used the search function for

Got it

[lusty grotto]

cant teach some men to fish 😦

they drown

[harsh laurel]

Sorry to break it to you but the world is a pretty fucked up place

Someone making a joke over a stupid question on discord is pretty tame

[teal swift]

Idk, if you want quality. Pay for it.

Don't demand answers, insult the people, then act like you were entitled to be treated perfectly.

[raw parcel]

Er... I seem to have walked into a thing. :x

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt making a joke at all

that person just wanted to karen and so they did

[uneven mason]

Like did we just get Karen'd over denying someone instant gratification

[lusty grotto]

that's all

moving onnn

[raw parcel]

So... Myth Track B tier trinket with avoidance vs. A Tier Trinket on Champion track... or 6 ilvl cloak upgrade? What would you choose? 😄

[harsh laurel]

Shield

[raw parcel]

That's not one of my options ;~;

[teal swift]

Sim it

[cinder pasture]

Get a better vault then 😜

[lusty grotto]

what are the trinkets

[uneven mason]

There's a lot of variables in that we're going to need details

[lusty grotto]

^

[raw parcel]

476 Rezan's Eye vs 489 Spores of Alacrity, Avoidance procced

[lusty grotto]

might have so sim like yuzu said honestly

[raw parcel]

So it's pretty close, and the bot must judge?

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

i... wouldnt say its close, its just im not sure how good a rezan would be over the others

[uneven mason]

Like spores probably leads in multitargwt

[lusty grotto]

can you do 18s regularly?

[uneven mason]

But rezan is pretty substantial in st

[strong forum]

dont pick spores

thats a wasted vault

[uneven mason]

Parrygods has spoken

[lusty grotto]

err hero track items drop in 17s right?

i forget

[raw parcel]

B-but.. avoidance

[strong forum]

17s

avoidance as tank is irrelevant

[teal swift]

I'd go for cloak or socket

[strong forum]

you can just farm a 483 rezans with avoidance

[teal swift]

Myself

[raw parcel]

It makes me feel better 😦

[strong forum]

if you desperately want it

i mean if you WANT to pick it

then pick it

[strong forum]

im just telling you its not the optimal play

[lusty grotto]

when has an aoe ever hurt you

as a tank

[strong forum]

i can only give you a recommendation

[raw parcel]

Er.. thinks

[strong forum]

what you end up doing is up to you

[raw parcel]

Probably never. ;~;

[teal swift]

Last boss rise tyrannical

[lusty grotto]

i mean thats not an aoe thats a frontal

[teal swift]

There's so much AOE damaged if you don't leap the breath

Doesn't avoidance lower

Damage from balls

And brearh

[strong forum]

there are a handful of tank busters this season affected by avoidance

[lusty grotto]

ball damage i think so

[median tulip]

AoE is scaled to be dangerous to DPS and trouble for healers to heal through. It does nothing of any significance to tanks.

[strong forum]

^

[lusty grotto]

but its not that huge vs us

[strong forum]

it does something

but its not gonna make you pick spores over rezans

[raw parcel]

But with avoidance it does even LESS nothing than usual to me 😄

[teal swift]

Yesh, I don't think it's worth dropping ilvl for etc

[raw parcel]

Fine, fine, boring cloak it is

[teal swift]

But it might help a little, oak heart breath, does that get reduced by avoidance

[strong forum]

xd

[teal swift]

That shit hurts like fuck

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[raw parcel]

Well it's not dropping ilvl, it's an ilvl boost.

[lusty grotto]

no frontals do honestly

[strong forum]

oakheart breath you just leap away from yuzu

[lusty grotto]

it has to be group wide iirc

[strong forum]

[teal swift]

My warrior hasn't ran keys this season sorry

I'm not used to leap tech

[raw parcel]

You do? No wonder I hate that place so much... I'd just sort of been eating the frontal.

[strong forum]

yeah just leap it

with bounding stride

you have leap for every breath

and can safe CDs for grip

[teal swift]

That's actually poggers

I'm waiting for 10.2.5

[strong forum]

on deios you can leap every 2nd(?) breath

[teal swift]

Then I'ma gear up near

And send it

[strong forum]

i dont know deios enough cuz i dont rly tank this season

cuz boring

i only tank WCM here and there cuz i know it like my back pocket

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[teal swift]

You're a washed up Arms warrior

[lusty grotto]

you can leap every 2, but only cause the 2nd one is usually giga risky to leap

[teal swift]

BRH is my favourite key this season

[lusty grotto]

you can multikill your group fairly easily

[strong forum]

i like rise as DPS

mechanically its good

[lusty grotto]

😁

[strong forum]

fall is cringe

[teal swift]

I like fall more than rise

[strong forum]

cuz the bosses suck

[teal swift]

Fuck battlefield

Tired of pug tanks

Dying

[strong forum]

well yeah

[median tulip]

WCM, BRH, DHT and AD are all pretty damn free

[strong forum]

i dont pug

[raw parcel]

I did the right move and picked the cloak. Bye bye, avoidance ;~;

[strong forum]

*alot

[lusty grotto]

and fall

[teal swift]

Except for tott

[strong forum]

you can enchant avoidance if you want

[lusty grotto]

tott is free this week

[strong forum]

i like pretty much all keys as dps

[lusty grotto]

tyrannical tott is easy

[median tulip]

I refuse to pug Fall any more

[strong forum]

but pugging fall

is illegal

[teal swift]

I prefer speed lol

[strong forum]

people dont know how to do 2nd boss

[lusty grotto]

i mean lol

[strong forum]

at all

[lusty grotto]

i dont disagree with you guys

but its an easy key

[strong forum]

yeah you can wipe 4 times

and still time a 24

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[teal swift]

Wdym you don't like your DPS getting debuff then playing Terry Fox simulator

[median tulip]

Whuh?

[strong forum]

almost +2'd fall 27 this week

[raw parcel]

I enchant leech like a REAL MAN

[strong forum]

(i totally didnt play with literal r1 pushers)

[lusty grotto]

yeah i totally didnt see a log with andy

[teal swift]

If you standstill when getting dispelled in fast zone

You do t get hit by it

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt exist

[teal swift]

And die

[strong forum]

and its totally not on my youtube

with bad audio

[lusty grotto]

LOL

did andys audio warble infect you too

[median tulip]

I don't understand what "Terry Fox" is

[strong forum]

on my side andys audio was SUPER low

but im giga loud in comparison

i wasnt aware

[teal swift]

Oh right Canada monent

[median tulip]

Wrong side of an oceaan

[teal swift]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Fox

[lusty grotto]

idk

id like to think terry fox would actually plant feet when the debuff expired

not slide around like he was running on top of banana peels lol

[blazing condor]

what more to "stack bubbles and move" is there really

besides positional play to optimise space

[lusty grotto]

i thought stacking was hotfixed

fairly early in the season

[blazing condor]

well stack as in keep tight

[lusty grotto]

for rings?

uhh

[strong forum]

okay so

[lusty grotto]

2 debuffs go to fast zone, rest to slow zone for DR

[strong forum]

you have 2 debuffs, 1 of the debuffs goes into fast zone

EVERYBODY STANDS STILL

gets dispelled

[lusty grotto]

^

[strong forum]

the 2nd debuff stays in slow zone

until his debuff is about to fade

then goes into fast zone

EVERYBODY STANDS STILL

[blazing condor]

sorry thought this was about TOTT

[strong forum]

then explodes again

nah fall

[lusty grotto]

oh lol

[blazing condor]

sounded like you were talkign about "tyrannical TOTT"

my bad

[lusty grotto]

i mentioned it yea

but nome was talking about fall

[blazing condor]

yeah mb didnt read it all

also isnt it just the person that has the debuff that gotta stand still

or is it a group wide thing

[strong forum]

no everyone

if you move you can get double ticked by the ring

if you stand still you only get 1 tick

if you move while dispelled

[lusty grotto]

yepppp

[strong forum]

you can get a tick from the ring

if yo ustand still, you dont eat a tick as youre being dispelled

you literally remove 70% of dmg taken by not moving and being in slow zone

you only go into fast zone to drop off debuff

[blazing condor]

yeye but like you only gotta stand still when the ring hits you then

[strong forum]

yes

but its a fast ring

so just stand still in slow zone

[blazing condor]

yeah you right

im just used to pugs getting it off in the slow zone

forgot its actually supposed to be fast

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats just inting

[strong forum]

or people dying

to first ring

[lusty grotto]

yup

[strong forum]

and dropping it off "unexpectedly"

or healer dispelling wrong one

like that boss requires everybody to be on point

[lusty grotto]

or letting afflicted go off, because poor healer cant do both rings and it

[strong forum]

to be relaxing to heal

yeah

i just tell my healer to never dispell me

so we can operate quicker

and then i just pop SR + Dstance

and vibe

[warm plinth]

Did we get a catalyst charge last week? Seen a couple people asking about a charge this week

I don't pay attention so idk

[blazing condor]

we shouldve yeah

fort is catalyst

[warm plinth]

ok

[strong forum]

Fort cata
Tyr spark

[median tulip]

Think I might make a necklace this week. If the Vault doesn't provide me with one ofc.

[strong forum]

I don't have a slot to make

at best it'll be boots

For +3ilvl

👏

[lusty grotto]

this week im probably upping my crafted shit

cause i still got 2 dirty enchanted wyrm crafts

[strong forum]

Yeah I have 1 crafted piece left at 476

Then I'll be 486 equipped

[median tulip]

I'm still wearing a Champion necklace. Everything else is Hero or above.

[strong forum]

Rn I'm 485.88 equipped

Tomorrow 100% 486

[median tulip]

485 exact here

[warm plinth]

[median tulip]

I've had shit all luck with either trinkets or necks this season so far

[blazing condor]

ive had real bad trinket luck

[strong forum]

That's not even copium

[blazing condor]

maybe changes today tho

[strong forum]

I just need 45 aspect crests

And I'm 486

[blazing condor]

oh yeah weekly dungeon quest too

[warm plinth]

oh yeah it is, nice

[median tulip]

Does that give HC loot?

[onyx matrix]

Ohhh heroic loot!

[lusty grotto]

yes

[onyx matrix]

And extra loot from m+ yeah?

[onyx matrix]

We will probably just get junk

[warm plinth]

no

The extra loot only applies to M0

[median tulip]

SHUSH YOUR FACE IT'S GOING TO GIVE ME CATACLYSMIC SIGNET BRAND

[onyx matrix]

Ay crap

Kek

[warm plinth]

I'm getting Gholak on my war, ezpz

Or rageheart

[median tulip]

I got a Gholak on my kill today. Also the mount skin.

[onyx matrix]

We all know the axe is in there

[warm plinth]

gamer

[vestal moat]

3rd week in a row prot toolkit can not help with the affix in any way. Feels bad.

[pallid quiver]

What even are the affixes this week?

[toxic pewter]

sanguine volcanic tyran

[warm plinth]

wdym, the tank has the most control over sanguine and volcanic is a non-affix across the board.

when you're a simple city guard but you ain't fucking around

[lusty grotto]

[modern gazelle]

do you guys use fierce armor kit or frosted?

[modern gazelle]

no one can "deal" with sanguine or volcanic? they are affixes that rely on just moving

sanguine does blow but its literally the tanks job to move adds, and it doesnt require talents to press WASD

[teal swift]

The mainstat one

[vestal moat]

A VDH can chains
A blood dk can grip out of sanguine

it doesnt require talents. but you'd rather have them than not.

[teal swift]

Bro

You can see their health

And move them

Lmao

[winged slate]

Laughs in Waycrest

[vestal moat]

A brez for tanks probably doesnt matter either right. cause bro, people can just not die.

[teal swift]

What are you on about

[modern gazelle]

bro just...walk

its really not that complex

[teal swift]

Yeah idk

[modern gazelle]

and its tyr week so you can basically dps through sanguine with the nerfs to it

[teal swift]

We have wasdn keys

[opaque quest]

When i play tank i only got a W key

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[teal swift]

W Deez nuts

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

Thought i'd play a quick round of metro exodus before work. PC said no. No ray tracing no start

[raw parcel]

Is that tongue-in-cheek or actually a viable tactic? XD

[winter shard]

hey all, bad luck w upgrades, shield or weap first for crafted?

[hazy bronze]

The former

[pallid quiver]

though i mean you can definitely still just blast them through it; they don't heal fast enough outside since sanguine doesn't stack no more

But there's minimal reason to do so when you have this arcane ability called movement you can use

[warm plinth]

Still 15% heal per tick. It's not insignificant

[uneven mason]

Shield

you always go for biggest shield

Shield = Penis size

someone pin that

it'll answer legit all gearing questions

but I guess it'd require people to read pins too

[opaque quest]

Also big shield is big smart. Even caveman knew hide behind bigger rock is better than hide behind smol rock

[winter shard]

thank you!

[pallid quiver]

and sometimes, you just gotta deal more than the 15% per tick

;-;

[onyx musk]

Hey guys, looking to try tanking on warrior. Only been playing the game just over 4 months and only play fury how hard would it be to adjust and learn to rank?

[raw parcel]

I think prot warrior is the easiest tanking spec to pick up, personally.

[lusty grotto]

bear is

[raw parcel]

Fair, fair. Bear is also easy.

[lusty grotto]

no

bear is the easiest

but anyway thats beside the point

[raw parcel]

I actually haven't played much bear so I can't really comment. :x Prot warrior felt easy to learn to me, was the first tank I tried.

[lusty grotto]

prot is a good tank to learn, playing prot you might be able to pick up other tanks farily easily

regarding how hard, that's tough to say

core tanking is fairly simple

[onyx musk]

I’ve just been a zug zug small brain fury. Wanted to try something different

[lusty grotto]

compared to current furyu

its a tad more diff

[onyx musk]

Can I need roll on Augury on prot loot spec?

[waxen frigate]

its offspec need i believce

[raw parcel]

Of the tanks I've tried, I will say prot warrior has my favorite version of active mitigation. Ignore Pain is just a delightful ability and I miss it on the other tanks I play.

[lusty grotto]

like theres nothing easier than Ramp into Bloodbath

basically core prot is just keeping SB up, and using your rage generators, SS > Tc

so uptime management like enrage i guess

though idk if you even do that with how simple fury is now

[raw parcel]

Let's not oversell the difficulty of that. It's not even slightly hard to keep SB up.

[lusty grotto]

have you played fury?

[raw parcel]

Not a lot, no xD

[lusty grotto]

cause its literally a 2 button class right now

and im talking in comparison

[onyx musk]

Old fury was actually slightly easier in my opinion. Current fury is much clunkier and you need to use more brain power when to drop cooldowns

[vocal flame]

I got the same crappy neck the last cache they gave out lol. Was hoping for Aug

[lusty grotto]

idk i felt any other fury to be slightly more difficult

but im not a big fury player anyway

[warm plinth]

I'm not a fan of fury this season. It's too slow

[lusty grotto]

i wish arms had the tankiness of fury tbh

but otherwise arms for me, but that has pretty much always been the case

[onyx musk]

Fury tankiness is nice

the healing is just mint.

[raw parcel]

Also! 5 portals down! 😄 Only three to go!

[warm plinth]

big

congrats

Hope you have Rise already or you're probably better off waiting til next week

[raw parcel]

Nope, those two and Everbloom are what I got left.

[lusty grotto]

idk next week can be sus with bursting

[warm plinth]

triple spriest w/ disc healer, ezpz

[lusty grotto]

lol

[warm plinth]

actually now that I said that, I don't even know if I've played with a shadow priest this season

[lusty grotto]

MW + 2 priests

[raw parcel]

I guess technically Rise/Fall are just one portal, so only two left.

[novel temple]

I hate my vaults

They’re always junk

At least on my warrior*

[onyx musk]

I got 3 capes and some armor again

still no mythci weapon for me

[lusty grotto]

brother

youre not alone

[novel temple]

Fr fr

I’ll double check it but I didn’t get anything decent

I might have a myth upgrade and that’s it

Or slightly better legs

[vocal flame]

I had a mythic upgrade too so I just took that and used a cata.

Still farming 11s to upgrade the last 2 pieces of wyrm gear I can’t seem to replace.

[timber nest]

how do we like haste proc legs for m+?

[lusty grotto]

we dont

[timber nest]

trying to find a use for my spark

im full 489

:/

[lusty grotto]

already have a alchemical thingie ring?

[timber nest]

yes

i have ring

[lusty grotto]

mage arms/fury gear

like vers proc bracers or w/e

[timber nest]

and cloak/bracers

gonna make m+ bracers

[lusty grotto]

brez bracers maybe?

[timber nest]

arent vers buff bracers better?

[lusty grotto]

for arms and fury they are decent but it depends on sim

double shadowflame might be as good if not b etter

up brez bracer, make a belt with SF as a replacement slot when using them

or up frostfire belt

[timber nest]

oh true

big true

frostfire better then SF belt?

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

can sim to check

all i can tell you is

unstable ff

might be a bad idea on sanguine weeks cause 50% slow lol

[opaque quest]

Most halfway coordinated teams got evoker/druid for typhoon tho

Shouldnt be toooo much of a problem

[worthy briar]

got the leggo axe today yay prot warr life lol

[novel temple]

If only they would let prot use 2h with the colossus tree, but that’s not gonna happen

[worthy briar]

lol

[opaque quest]

Just let us infuse the effect onto another weapon

Problem solved

[novel temple]

Double weapon procs?

[opaque quest]

Na fuck that just make it unique

[raw parcel]

Grats on the axe!

[zinc root]

Are we supposed to be at around 30% haste?

I’m at 42% am I too high?

[lusty grotto]

no

[zinc root]

What should we be around? Should i keep focusing haste ?

[lusty grotto]

read

my

nickname

and thats UNBUFFED

that means if you have 1x stack of ITF

youre already buffed

but ITF is % either way, any trinkets, runes, food buffs are all buffs

[zinc root]

What’s ITF?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=202603/into-the-fray

[zinc root]

So I’m at 6950 unbuffed but I don’t have ITF talented

trying to understnad sorry

if im at 7100 unbuffed

anything higher is pointless?

[opaque quest]

Its not. 7100 just means you get 100 SB uptime iirc

[lusty grotto]

at that point you should have ITF talented

[zinc root]

i just got it

[waxen frigate]

@zinc root What does ur name mean

[zinc root]

its soccer related

[waxen frigate]

I don’t like soccer sorry

[zinc root]

ya fuck soccer

[waxen frigate]

Yeah

[opaque quest]

Its called football

Uncultured hamburger people

[zinc root]

lol

[waxen frigate]

Shut up rat

[opaque quest]

Make me daddy

[lusty grotto]

[opaque quest]

[waxen frigate]

I have the legendary

[opaque quest]

Im already getting more submissive and breedable

[dusky canopy]

Smold dead lets goooo

[lusty grotto]

gz

[hardy ridge]

Let’s goooo bro 😎

[forest yacht]

i understand that theyre technically equal

but for m+

do you guys prefer vers or crit

defensively

[opaque quest]

We prefer whatever kills a mob faster. Dead mobs dont do dps. Crit does the same as vers more or less since parrying lets your IP absorb more of the non white hit stuff

TLDR stats dont matter play whatever you want

[jolly lagoon]

beatifull belt, but the trinket is tempting for fury too (have 483)

[forest grove]

Ilvl upgrade worth it?

[lyric cape]

I'd sim it

[strong forum]

should win yes

lfr gholak aint all that hot

[blazing condor]

i mean

[jagged pier]

lucky

[stone canyon]

take

[opaque quest]

Average wow experience

[onyx musk]

Does prot warrior not use Odyn's? Just making sure the guide online is upto day but do we run ravager?

[raw parcel]

I seethe in boiling envy right now.

I must plot your ruin now, for my jealousy is unbound.

[blazing condor]

[raw parcel]

Seriously though, big get, grab that trinkey! Grats.

[blazing condor]

actually got a trinket for once

switching out a champion sandglass

[opaque quest]

How will you be able to tell the time tho

[blazing condor]

[raw parcel]

At this point I'm kind of worrying that the vault is gonna stop giving me good stuff unless I'm super lucky.

[jagged pier]

just get to the point where u cant get vault upgrades like me

[jagged pier]

we dont have odyns, but we use rav

[sick sentinel]

can i get the Augury of the Primal Flame trinket if i open the vault as prot? or do i have to be like fury or arms in lootspecialization?

[jagged pier]

only arms and fury

[sick sentinel]

ok, good to know

is it the same luck on both specs or does it differ?

maybe hard to say 😄

[jagged pier]

i mean arms has a smaller loot table

not by much tho

[sick sentinel]

mm ok

[brave jetty]

just got rageheart ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

with a roll of 21

turned down 500k lol

[jagged pier]

i would take the 500k lul

[brave jetty]

meh

[blazing condor]

not much to do with money now tbh

obviously the more the better but

[jagged pier]

its time to start saving for next expansion

[blazing condor]

a whole year away

[jagged pier]

seasons over already

[blazing condor]

what if im not even alive by then

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

imagine winning against 20 ppl

[cyan berry]

🤣

[blazing condor]

aint gonna get augury nor brand in raid any time soon

[cyan berry]

You will get it, I believe in it man

[blazing condor]

3 leggos dropped

not for me but

[onyx musk]

rip

The prot pally in my group got it

[cyan berry]

next week for sure

[blazing condor]

[cyan berry]

You see, what blizzard is actually doing

is that

They are giving everyone the worst shit out of the way for 2024 so you can enjoy the rest of 2024 until war withing with the leggy

[blazing condor]

[cyan berry]

Hopium is what keys us going man

[blazing condor]

i believe!

[blazing condor]

servers still dead?

[restive scroll]

might as well be

[blazing condor]

F

think i got a 25 Rise as well

[jagged pier]

didnt even get a key from my vault

[restive scroll]

x)

[blazing condor]

burnt out?

[restive scroll]

Damn, F too

[jagged pier]

why do a key when i cant get loot from them

even from vault

🤷

[blazing condor]

damn bro gave up

you only chasing raid trinkets?

[jagged pier]

im only chasing mythic raid trinkets

[blazing condor]

aye

so u raiding then?

[jagged pier]

unfortunatly yes

[blazing condor]

what u proggin?

[jagged pier]

smold

[blazing condor]

pog?

[jagged pier]

meh

raids very boring to tank

[blazing condor]

true

[jagged pier]

class very boring to tank

not intersting

[blazing condor]

🌹

[jagged pier]

last time i quit the spec played exactly the same

TC >> SS >> TC >> SS

literally my best parsing probs for a raid and i generally not thinking about what im pressing at all

[blazing condor]

ye

its not fun

never liked the "clap-meta"

SL was peak

even before banner 9.1.5 was more fun

[toxic pewter]

hopefully warr gets rework soon

[jagged pier]

they arent going to make it a higher ceiling

which is what my complaint is

its doesnt need a rework

[toxic pewter]

need to question every aspect of what warrior means

[jagged pier]

u mitigate damage

[toxic pewter]

break it all down and rebuild from ground up

[jagged pier]

with a shield

cool we do that

but theres no banner no repirsal no interesting advance on gameplay i dont care for what u want apb because u want the spec to have the utilities from all the other tank classes combined

[toxic pewter]

not necessarily

just think it is time and even healthy to question every aspect of the spec

and bring back things that were fun and cool

and maybe some new things

apparently thats what they did with df talent trees but obviously something feels off still

[jagged pier]

u have literally said in the past u want prot to have:
self healing
some sort of aoe grip
more aoe stops like sigil
and aoe inturpt that isnt tied to a cd like avanger shield
a ranged intuprt

more than that thats just off the top of my head

[toxic pewter]

?

why would I want self healing

lol

we are mitigation tank with a shield

[jagged pier]

youve literally said it in the past 🤷

[toxic pewter]

i do not recall that

[jagged pier]

because u have a new L take every day dude

[toxic pewter]

but the interrupt situation is not ideal in the bigger picture that is true

and yeah pummel being melee range does feel bad

[teal swift]

Prot has self healing

It does the succ on deep wounds

And has that 30% heal

Yeah idk, "I want prot warrior to be everything but prot warrior"

[toxic pewter]

I mean I actually like being mitigation tank so if I said anything like I wanted to be like a bdk that is not what I want

[teal swift]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I like prot warrior the way it is

It's well balanced and has a fun playstyle

[restive scroll]

are mythic vault bugged?

[jagged pier]

no?

[restive scroll]

Just did 2 instances, none are shown in my future vault

[jagged pier]

i mean games having a hissy fit right now

[restive scroll]

maybe just that, ty

[forest yacht]

is necrofrost spell reflectable

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

ah its not on there

[forest yacht]

i know

[blazing condor]

it doesnt get cast on the tank anyway

[forest yacht]

i checked

yeah but dps warriors

do exist

[waxen frigate]

Do they

Do they really

[blazing condor]

not in my keys

[forest yacht]

no...

i mean i would never invite them

but others do

[blazing condor]

maybe ask in #fury or #arms

see if they know

[strong forum]

It is reflectable

Noxious ejection is also reflectable for damage

But ideally you wanna hold it for necrofrost

[forest yacht]

thx

[teal swift]

No

They are just depressed ret paladins

[vocal flame]

Good Morning all! Happy hump day

[jagged pier]

[vocal flame]

Its amazing what one trinket can do, even tho its just a raid finder but the rageheart boosted my dps by a lot. I love using it.

[torn gulch]

more like about 9 months away

it is a open secret the new xpac comes somewhere between end of august and end of september

[vocal flame]

Hopefully sooner. I am prob skipping next season of just dragonland dungs no thanks lol

[torn gulch]

not happening sooner than that

if you read the roadmap

there is no space for it to happen sooner

season 4 will take about 3.5 to 4 months

give or take

take a break from the game if you don't like the season it'sa healthier that way

i'll prob skip raiding in season 4 but play m+ no problem

[vocal flame]

yeah i took a look at it and it appears late summer early autumn but thats hopeful

but who knows maybe itll be earlier haha

[torn gulch]

that is not how it works

these things are planned in advance

there is 0% chance new xpac happens earlier than mid august

[jagged pier]

pre patch will be august at best

[torn gulch]

most likely with a september release and a 11.0.5 in november to fit with 20 years aniversary

[uneven mason]

11.0.5 BRD megadungeon

[torn gulch]

too early for one and it is not into the roadmap

[vocal flame]

I am aware of how businesses plan things lol but I agree with that timeline, I was just being hopeful.

[torn gulch]

being hopeful is a fasttrack to being dissapointed