ok
#protection
north hornet
pallid quiver
There is not enough difference between the performance of tanks that it'd affect your decision in your case
north hornet
is it any tank classes that is good for hekili maxdps or herorotation addon ?
pallid quiver
I've never used any rotation helpers for tank classes, so I don't know how accurately they're tuned. That being said, most tank rotations are made to be easier than DPS rotations on average, so it's not too big of an issue to just learn them
Like, for Prot Warrior, our rotation/prio system is Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge
and
that's it
north hornet
Ok
pallid quiver
you throw all other damage CDs on CD
Most other tanks are fairly similar to that
Some more complex than others (Brew comes to mind from what I've played)
blazing condor
What does tiers even define when it comes to tanking? Survivability or utility?
Theres like no difference
teal swift
Like what is that based on
Raid or m+
Damage Output performance
Survivability matrix
Utility
Like what is that based on
Popularity?
teal swift
What does tiers even define when it comes to tanking? Survivability or utility?
Idk how to measure it or what s being measured
Vdh and prot pal are smoking m+
Bdk smoking raid
All tanks are good at everything
strong forum
90% of autogenerated tierlists are based on popularity
teal swift
That's kinda cringe. Tierlist are fairly incomplete as is.
I like peaking at sub creation to quickly find highest keys timed for each subclass
strong forum
*logged timed key
teal swift
But even that's not very helpful, because less popular = less played = less likely to push
Fair
Now I just look up pika logs
And see wtf he's doing
And using CDs where lol
strong forum
Can never go wrong with just checking logs and forming your own opinion
Easily the best way to quickly learn by yourself
Without bashing your head against a wall
teal swift
It helps when I have someone else to look at, being at the very front is scary.
Innovating and not knowing what is possible
And trying to force your way through
I'd rather just do it after the fact lol
Happy to accept I'm mediocre and average, and have fun!
I want your axe though. Gimme
teal swift
@strong forum this kinda skill
blazing condor
"this site uses biscuits to enhance your user experience"
north hornet
My firend told me that tank have both defensive and dps build for warrior is it corect ?
for tanking
blazing condor
My firend told me that tank have both defensive and dps build for warrior is it ...
in this channels pins you can find a build more oriented towards survivability/"pushing" and another build that is more for doing big dps
north hornet
are this build https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVERERVVYVVQDVRA for defensive ?
strong forum
thats the raid build
blazing condor
My firend told me that tank have both defensive and dps build for warrior is it ...
This is the defensive build: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVBRFVYVVQCVE
This is the damage build: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpRQVBBNVUVERBQlVYVVQCUQ
for m+ that is
north hornet
thx a lot
pale karma
Is there any trick to avoiding Tindral's fire circle damage? Standing in dead center? Guildie is saying that it sometimes still clips him.
strong forum
If you stand in the dead center you only have to heal the fire explosion but not the extra hit by the beams
If he gets clipped it means he's standing too far out
blazing condor
yeah the easiest way to do it for the raid is for everyone to stack in big orange swirlies
all the beams go out from that so no one have to dodge
pale karma
Thanks
blazing condor
dont think its viable on mythic but on HC the damage is very neglible
pale karma
Speculation is that it's a bug that only affects normal and heroic. It wasn't originally possible. Who knows. 🤷🏻♂️
blazing condor
i mean if you ask me it would be logical that standing in the middle would have you be hit by all beams at once
but now the beams spawn on the edge of the circle p much
teal swift
This is the defensive build: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protect...
Those pages load like shit on my device
What's the different lul
crude pumice
are we just weak vs magic? except having spell reflect?
teal swift
are we just weak vs magic? except having spell reflect?
No
Prot warrior is robust and handles magic damage well
blazing condor
are we just weak vs magic? except having spell reflect?
we also have spell block 🙂
crude pumice
No
was tanking a +20 had to press almost everything at rise last boss. (given that the healer was lower geared)
blazing condor
i mean if theres anything that hurts for us its sustained magic damage/bleeds
crude pumice
i forgot to mention im also undergeared HAHAHA
blazing condor
but we're not "bad"
teal swift
Prot warrior doesn't need any additional healer attention than a DPS
crude pumice
but i also pug another 20 but was kinda more tanky. im not blaming the healer. I'm asking cause i have a skill issue
teal swift
Compared to the other tanks.
blazing condor
was tanking a +20 had to press almost everything at rise last boss. (given that ...
what you do is that you use heroic leap for every other breath and you outrange it, and for the other ones you just rotate defensives
ignore pain, impending victory, spell reflect/block
shield wall / last stand
demo shout
yadda yadda
you have a lot
teal swift
but i also pug another 20 but was kinda more tanky. im not blaming the healer. I...
Yeah, just understand, community perception outside of skyhold is that prot warriors are paper to magic, have bad self sustain, and require healers to dump Into them.
So they are the first things I try to cover.
crude pumice
yeah was almost cycling fast to have shield wall up via anger management we did manage hahaha
pale karma
was tanking a +20 had to press almost everything at rise last boss. (given that ...
That's pretty normal
crude pumice
Yeah, just understand, community perception outside of skyhold is that prot warr...
but we have good self sustain not just that good compared to others
teal swift
False
crude pumice
i see enlighten me
teal swift
Go look at any of pikas keys they are logged, you can see how much he's sustaining himself
And how much actual healing he takes from healer
crude pumice
i was wondering if fueled by violence is better if i keep pressing ignore pain. but its abit lower than leech. or i'm missing something about this tree
teal swift
Then see how many hard casts are for him, and not just there
Even in keys like everbloom
Which are 60% magic 40% physical
Pika is trucking along just fine
All the tanks right now have effectively two lines of defense.
Mitigation and Sustain
They are delivered in different ratios. But functionally are the same result.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hRwWCQfK3ckZbF18#fight=4&type=healing
Here is a 27everbloom.
You can see almost all of the healing received by the healer is just there like faeline stomp.
Warriors have good sustain, and good mitigation. It makes them durable.
Contrast to bdk, that has insane sustain, and less mitigation.
Warrior kind of just does what it does, regardless of magic damage or physical.
While it's sustain is less effective in some scenarios. It's mitigation is more effective in others.
Etc. tldr. Prot war is just another tank, hit buttons, get the same level of healer attention as any other tank, and rage on~
I recommend this link
To check each dungeon, and how it's being handled.
It's sorted to only have logs with prot warriors. So you'll be able to infer the actual state of prot warrior in high keys, and you'll quickly notice, it's urban legend at this point
That prot warriors are not good at self sustain and rely on healers
blazing condor
Its nice to have. Especially if ur doing high content when ur undergeared
grim pilot
How undergeared are you though
If its 460 for a 20 its definitely not being undergeared, I’d say that’s the ilv that’s very much ok so for that content
jagged pier
I mean your fine for 20s at like 445-450
grim pilot
Ye defo
jagged pier
As the dungeons have been nerfed and we were doing them unnerfed at that ilvl at the start
Of the season
grim pilot
Yup
crude pumice
damn skill issue then. im just queing solo shuffle while i run dungeons usually it pops at the end
grim pilot
I managed to heal through tyra 20’s as 455 and I am giga clueless because I played a healer for 3 days
strong forum
Same
orchid mural
damn skill issue then. im just queing solo shuffle while i run dungeons usually ...
take disrupting shout tho .... helps alot with ints 🙂
north hornet
are prot warrior any good in normal raid or are they squishy ?
toxic pewter
?
jagged pier
all tanks are fine for all raid content
north hornet
ok
mystic yoke
does anyone have or recommend a spell reflect WA?
or addon?
ah found it in the UI channel
north hornet
what spec do i need to be to get a 1 hander for prot fury or prot or dosnt it matter ?
toxic pewter
what spec do i need to be to get a 1 hander for prot fury or prot or dosnt it ma...
Prot drops 1h weapons and shields. Fury drops 1h and 2h weapons. Arms drops 2h weapons only.
north hornet
ok
are the wowhead for prot paladin for gear updated ?
What do i want to craft for prot warriro ?
sorry for asking so much
toxic pewter
Check protection faq
teal swift
I mean your fine for 20s at like 445-450
Most players will wanna be like 465 or so, people do not play well 
and gear is pretty free
grim pilot
Yeah even 465 is pretty easily obtainable
I have had shir luck on my priest and got to 470 in a matter of week from 442
And I had very shit luck in terms of gear
blazing condor
just did a key on a brewmaster for the first time since SL
at like 450 ilvl
holy buttons
teal swift
I just think it's a bit out of touch, sure, you can run keys at low ilvl, @silent osprey was doing 17+ keys at like 424 ilvl lmao
Doesn't mean everyone else can xD keep in mind most people are Yogi and struggle at that level regardless of gear xD
But just because it's viable doesn't mean the Everyman is gonna succeed :p
grim pilot
I did about 50 keys on my rsham and im 483
Can prob get to 478 when I get back
And recraft stuff
toxic pewter
I just think it's a bit out of touch, sure, you can run keys at low ilvl, <@3398...
? yogi is one of the top prot warriors on my server
teal swift
toxic pewter
what you mean? he is in the top 500
teal swift
Has he gotten portals yet
teal swift
What io
teal swift
Okay, what's his rank against all tanks not just warriors, last I heard he wasn't even getting portals yet
toxic pewter
I am talkin about prot warrs
teal swift
I think he left server anyways 😦
grim pilot
Hes very much here
jagged pier
hes char name isnt yogi
toxic pewter
you bullying one of the best prot warriors on my server and then you call me a troll
jagged pier
🤷
hazy bronze
@sick sentinel
hazy bronze
Yogi is beautiful and perfect
toxic pewter
?
teal swift
But you're a cool dude
@sick sentinel happy new year yogi
Get some portals next month!
Tho if you're on a52 na
toxic pewter
yogi in the top 17% of prot warr in the world
sick sentinel
i've secretly been working on my routes all this time
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
out of 100 prot warr, yogi better than 83 of those individuals
sick sentinel
it's not the routes you guys were thinking of tho 😛
sick sentinel
this game has lunar lander controls gravity shit and fuel
toxic pewter
yogi is a modest individual that wat make him great
sick sentinel
so you really really have to know where you have/want to go
im still not finished with this walkthrough im constructing
almost there, have to do the other bosses
silent osprey
I just think it's a bit out of touch, sure, you can run keys at low ilvl, <@3398...
🏓 
teal swift
I ping the people I like most
Especially when I'm about to talk about them
@silent osprey
So wear it like a badge.
Yuzu thinks you're cute.
silent osprey
fathom junco
top 500 pretty good, thousands of people play wow
Im in the top 20 for dps warrior for my server. This metric means fuckall
toxic pewter
?
jagged pier
its an L apb take just chalk it up for his one a day
toxic pewter
its not though
the L take is bullying other players, even ones in top 20% of best prot warrs
apprently IO doesnt matter all of a sudden
jagged pier
yer your spoting metrics that dont matter
edgy bone
@candid path Miss you dawg how's the Hawks been doing
jagged pier
hes top 20% because it tracks all chars that have done 1 key
fathom junco
The difference between someone that is top 20% and top 1% is much much greater than the 100 to 20.
jagged pier
theres 80000 prot warriors in the IO database for this season
toxic pewter
? ya do you guys not understand percentiles all of a sudden
jagged pier
u do like 5 +2s your probably in the top 50%
toxic pewter
like you gotta pick a metric to rank the prot warrs
all of a sudden that metric isnt io
lmao
thats the weird take tbh
jagged pier
no your talking like top 500 on a realm means something or 'top 20% of all warriors' without actually saying what that means
candid path
<@86385924853747712> Miss you dawg how's the Hawks been doing
They're so bad, lol
toxic pewter
well yeah he is in the top 20% of all prot warr world wide
thats pretty good in my book
jagged pier
cool
candid path
Pretty good, agreed
jagged pier
but u cant trust that metric as it takes in alts
and ppl who have run literally 1 key
this season
so its not a great metric but it can work
hell yogi plays the game more than me
jagged pier
u need to filter ppl who have done probably a key in the last few weeks
and have done them all at least once on tyr and fort
because then u know they have put in
some effort
edgy bone
They're so bad, lol
There's been a lot of parity in the NBA lately, Hawks can't be worse than the Warriors right now can they?
candid path
They actually are. It's rough right now.
They're like 2 games further back from the play-in and they're 3-7 in their last 10, so not just bad, but trending downward
blazing condor
i swear man they gotta fix the health on Yalnu
or make the tree take life from it or something
a fort boss shouldnt take 6+ minutes
strong forum
It's only gonna get worse the higher you go up
Cuz you get more and more add phases
Which reduces uptime on dmg amp phase more and more
Exponentially harder bosses own
Totally
blazing condor
verypog
yeah it scales on itself as you say
more ads > more resources needed to kill ads because more hp/damage > longer fight
cant wait for the 30 tyrannical 
all they gotta do is pull the entire dungeon in 3 pulls and then do bosses
frosty mango
You know what’s the best tho
When you’re in a 25 tyr everbloom dpsing with an Aug, and the other dps stands in the frontal and dies twice
So the boss takes 1000 years
blazing condor
dam
i mean they mustve really gone out of their way to end up in front
depending on how you hold the boss ig but
warm plinth
Ah I would assume that last boss would just be a wipe without the other dps since the add would live for 8 years
blazing condor
yeah
could be first boss too
makes more sense for dps to end up in front there if theyre dumb
i have yet to see a dps die by yalnu's frontal
fathom junco
i swear man they gotta fix the health on Yalnu
Bring arms warrior that can sweeping strikes the boss over to the add. Giga pad
warm plinth
Yeah unless they go in first and face it at the door 🙂
blazing condor
Yeah unless they go in first and face it at the door 🙂
for some reason my potato pc takes forever to load into the stormwind area
so when we do EB my team gives me a 5 second head start
fathom junco
Get an SSD
blazing condor
yeah i gotta update my pc
but that'll come eventually
game works fine otherwise, it's only really that part
warm plinth
Bring arms warrior that can sweeping strikes the boss over to the add. Giga pad
The NPC stops channeling on the boss during the add so he does not take additional damage.
frosty mango
Bring arms warrior that can sweeping strikes the boss over to the add. Giga pad
The boss doesn’t have a damage amp when the add is up yea?
frosty mango
i have yet to see a dps die by yalnu's frontal
Yea it was the last boss and I don’t see it often unless I’m doing scrub keys
A frequent occurrence is low level keys is one person starts the boss and he shockwaves towards the portal and all the new people die - that one is always good
grizzled nova
The boss doesn’t have a damage amp when the add is up yea?
yeh the big add stops the mage npc from channeling the damage taken debuff on yalnu
blazing condor
those ads gets stunned when hit by frontal but does that actually matter?
warm plinth
what adds
pearl gyro
so i really want to play prot warrior. but holy shit. theres like 20 buttons to press.. is there like a build that doesnt require your whole keyboard?
frosty mango
so i really want to play prot warrior. but holy shit. theres like 20 buttons to ...
Not if you want to do damage or stay alive
Don’t think it’s that many though
blazing condor
yeah its a pretty button heavy spec
you definitely dont "need" everything but then youd still be sacrificing things that are good for you and your group
so its still kinda inting
silver ridge
Pwar the only true giga chad tank class
frosty mango
Charge, shield slam, revenge, tclap/ demo, sblock, ip, sref / ravager, roar/ avatar, reck/wall, last stand / intim, shockwave, storm bolt / heroic leap
Ok I guess it is like 20 lol
silver ridge
All other tanks are fairies
waxen frigate
Pwar the only true giga chad tank class
my man
i get wasted and punch bitches in the face
pearl gyro
question. is wrilwind ever used? im looking at numbers, and it seems revenge is way better? so no need for it?
hollow sun
question. is wrilwind ever used? im looking at numbers, and it seems revenge is ...
never
pearl gyro
same with slam eh?
hollow sun
can you even use it as prot? o.o
pearl gyro
lmao. i figured its useless. thanks 🙂
always be in defensice stance right? sorry for the dumb question
pearl gyro
oh ok
hollow sun
always be in defensice stance right? sorry for the dumb question
no not at all
it depends on the keys tho, but if we are talking like sub 23 use defensive stance as a cd
cosmic wyvern
god prot just feels so much worse to play without bolster
I know yall hate that talent but it just feels so nice to be able to have 100% shield block uptime effortlessly
I know bloodsurge is important tho, and I don't know what to give up in order to take both
guess I just have to get used to it tho. nobody takes bolster so it must be bad
@patent osprey why do you take titanic throw over sidearm
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> why do you take titanic throw over sidearm
Have been experimenting and its been really nice when grouping massive pulls like everbloom to get initial threat. Its a very minor dps loss and none of the high keys are really dps checks.
jagged pier
I know yall hate that talent but it just feels so nice to be able to have 100% s...
Its effortless without it as well because of talents
cosmic wyvern
Its effortless without it as well because of talents
maybe with heavy repercussions, but with into the fray I've noticed there's often like 1-2 seconds where I don't have sb up
jagged pier
Yer thats really not hard to stop from happening
cosmic wyvern
I may be losing out on a few seconds due to wasted overlapping applications or afflicted going off and extending the cooldown (I don't remember if shield block's cooldown is affected by haste but I wouldn't be surprised :P)
also gotta train myself to stop using last stand aggressively like I did last season
cosmic wyvern
Have been experimenting and its been really nice when grouping massive pulls lik...
interesting. I may try it out. Not like sidearm does much anyway.
wait a minute... does titanic throw hit all the goops on Ulthok? that could be useful tech
idk if non-single target/direct attacks knock them back tho. I know ravager doesn't
grim pilot
@strong forum no way you have higher score than me by doing 3 keys a month 💀
strong forum
get outskilled
strong forum
yeah but look at my tyra keys
grim pilot
My highest ad was timed 4 or 5 weeks ago 💀 I need to step up
Season’s still young
I need that fucking axe fr
cosmic wyvern
no yeah I just tried it out a bit, in long pulls without bolster eventually you have some small gaps without sb up
like 0.5 sec - 2 sec
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> no way you have higher score than me by doing 3 keys a mon...
also tbf
2 days ago i was literally still 3120
grim pilot
I didnt really push yet
Like
All my good keys end up being depleto because pugs
Only good key I timed is rise and I almost managed to make it depleto myself 💀
potent anvil
When prot warr meta? 
strong forum
im enjoying the arms life
potent anvil
I'll get my leggo this week for sure
wind oak
Nom is gonna be Arms TC soon
potent anvil
strong forum
yeah
wind oak
and go big d
strong forum
actually dont have pug anxiety as dps
cuz you just dont give a fuck
youre just a tourist
wind oak
yeah you dont care
you know if you dont die its easy
thats all you have to do
i just want my lego
strong forum
i aint trackin shit
hazy bronze
I, too, am enjoying the arms life
Hi Fren sorry to bother you but would you mind sharing this WA
strong forum
cuz i know how much of a gamble taking a warri is
grizzled nova
I may be losing out on a few seconds due to wasted overlapping applications or a...
If you don't have HR it is functionally impossible to delete uptime with pandemic.
potent anvil
Hi Fren sorry to bother you but would you mind sharing this WA
LFG Decline Counter. There's an addon version which tracks lifetime stats. I dunno if the WA version does that.
grizzled nova
You'd need to be in lust + a massive haste trinket running.
strong forum
and at that point it doesnt matter
cosmic wyvern
At least it’s not incorporeal. Hate being the only class that can’t deal with it in some way
grim pilot
3k io get declined to 22s
3k io to 22’s is really not that bad
I was getting declined to 23’s as 3.4k last season when 10.1.5. hit us
Happy it calmed down later in the season
chilly brook
3k io to 22’s is really not that bad
I just push my own keys at this point
grim pilot
Thats what I always do
Get your key up as high as possible, time that key and then apply to keys u need 2-3 key levels lower
toxic pewter
at least we got rallying cry
hazy bronze
LFG Decline Counter. There's an addon version which tracks lifetime stats. I dun...
Ty ❤️
cosmic wyvern
2991 now
gonna hit 3k before new years
don't know if I can be bothered to push past 3k when I'm pugging all my keys
grizzled nova
22.5ish
torn gulch
all 22's and 4 23's
cosmic wyvern
not really an accomplishment I guess but it's the furthest I've got
torn gulch
should be enough for 3k
cosmic wyvern
I just realized titanic throw doesn't work with the glyph that makes heroic throw use your weapon
I don't know if I can use this talent :(
grim pilot
<@325173865175318529> im 3258 now
timber nest
is there a spot wher ei can get routes for 24+'s? I feel like the pug routes arent going to cut it
restive scroll
is there a spot wher ei can get routes for 24+'s? I feel like the pug routes are...
They are.
It becomes mostly about execution, but still quite easy
Works in 26 for me at least
(depends what you call pug toutes though)
restive scroll
pug life
If you're capped aspect, no tou can farm 17+ too.
Otherwise yes, + heroic raid
median tulip
so the main way of farming Wrym crests is just doing +11s?
or Heroic Raid
vocal flame
ok copy that thank you!
strong forum
i call it connections
grim pilot
Use those connections and get me an axe…
round cliff
k i wont bother then
teal swift
You can also recraft pretty freely
round cliff
i wanna do some m+ tanking as a time waster so ig i dont need to be too optimal anyways
since i randomly won myth raid shield/fyrakk 1hander as an off spec roll so i may as well
strong forum
Yeah nah shadowflame is bis for us anyway and vers bracers have good stats
So like
Legit doesn't have an impact
If anything vers bracers are better for overall dmg in keys
round cliff
looks like trinkets are about the same as well? i have branch and signet and wowhead says they're peak
strong forum
Yeah
round cliff
chad shit
urban portal
this is the easiest tanking has been in half a decade
teal swift
I shill casual players using cheat death trinkets lul (not just on tanks either)
I want a scale for my BM hunter
plucky idol
jesus its hard finding a good decent weekend guild on my server good god
plucky idol
lol
sick sentinel
its also new year tonight everyone will be drunk
toxic pewter
Happy new year to all and to all a good night
lusty grotto
blazing condor
Happy new years
torn gulch
Happy New Year!
toxic pewter
Who’s ready to see a bunch of wardens running around starting tomorrow
warm plinth
Wardens?
toxic pewter
That 12 month trading post transmog they giving people
It’s like a warden armor set
warm plinth
Oh
jagged pier
So shit honesly could have been something better with effects and stuff but oh well
loud otter
so yall play this class?
warm plinth
No, we just hang out here
loud otter
Oh fr?
loud otter
That 12 month trading post transmog they giving people
what if you missed one
warm plinth
Yeah, it's wild tbh. 100,000 people just chilling in a class discord
If you missed one you just take longer to get it.
pallid quiver
I just play fighting games and pretend to play this game
warm plinth
and makes hakka
pallid quiver
While accurate, I think the only single person who knew that up to this point was you
toxic pewter
what if you missed one
If you missed a month can get it in February. Basically need twelve months but those months don’t have to be consecutive
warm plinth
get doxxed nerd
loud otter
If you missed one you just take longer to get it.
oh perfect
I missed the troll tmog one -_-
pallid quiver
i swear on me mum i'll start posting my cooking pictures here
loud otter
Its the coolest monthly one for sure
toxic pewter
Yah the bloodtroll set is prob a highlight of the year to be honest
Def top 5 for me
It’ll prob be back around soon perhaps
But will have to spend tender for it I bet
loud otter
Ya
warm plinth
My rogue uses the set minus the shoulders and I wear it with a top hat and two kukris
It's glorious
round cliff
Yah the bloodtroll set is prob a highlight of the year to be honest
not very hot on male orcs tho, arguably
waxen frigate
fun fact my friend has had access to this mog for like 3-4 months
and has just been wearing it around
median tulip
Quality Slutmog, 10/10
warm plinth
ty ty
grizzled nova
every other global or multiple globals in a row makes u SHOUT
It's IP
You press it a fuckload, it's off the gcd, and your character shouts every time.
quasi trail
does this look right to you guys
warm plinth
i look at my healing meters approximately never.
quasi trail
not mine thankfully
quasi trail
i wanted some reactions from the fine people here about the tank i had in my everbloom
warm plinth
Revenge is barely pressed compared to TC and SS so it being on the top is very very bad.
quasi trail
yeah its horrible
warm plinth
Do you have a log of that? Because with TC not even being in that picture, I'm really scared lmao
quasi trail
just the details, not sure if that works never logged a m+ dungeon
warm plinth
sadge
grizzled nova
does this look right to you guys
lmao no
grim pilot
Indomitable topping by far
grizzled nova
IP should be 40-50% of your healing
grim pilot
Especially in what I assume is lower dungeons
quasi trail
it was a 20
grim pilot
Ye so nothing high
grizzled nova
That man is not pressing buttons correctly
grim pilot
That man is not pressing buttons
warm plinth
did you time it
grim pilot
This is eb 24
To give you a reference point of heal
And in lower keys indomitable should do less as with proper play you will barely take any damage bc shit is covered by ip
grizzled nova
I genuinely do not understand how people get revenge that high, like I don't have enough gcds to press it that much.
warm plinth
It's easy if you're never pressing thunder clap
grim pilot
And ss…
quasi trail
no we did not time it
warm plinth
sadge
quasi trail
10 minutes over, healer couldnt keep him alive during double abom packs he kept pulling
quasi trail
im not sure he spoke english
grim pilot
At some point you either get a freedom or you kite it
quasi trail
atleast he was nice though
warm plinth
Probably someone in here who could talk to him. We got all kinds of peeps
pale karma
In WCM, the two packs either side of the first boss, do ya'll pull those back out of the room? If so, is there a trick to doing that without aggroing the boss?
quasi trail
yeah hug the staircase
past torrent
In WCM, the two packs either side of the first boss, do ya'll pull those back ou...
I just charge/leap in, tc and it’s dodge the ground effect. Never have boss issues unless a trigger happy dps pulls on accident.
pale karma
I typically pull one pack at a time, hugging the stair case and tanking them near where they stand. That's surprised some people though - the position and not pulling both - so just wondering.
past torrent
Nope, you’re doing it the way I was told to and have seen people do so I dunno. I get more questions as to why I pull the hallway/3rd boss room to the courtyard
median tulip
In WCM, the two packs either side of the first boss, do ya'll pull those back ou...
I go left, kill the toads, pull the other one back across the room by hugging the stairs, kill the other toads and then pull both the casters into the boss fight (the first one is usually almost dead already)
quaint egret
As someone new to tanking I am finding it weird to balance dps and defensive key binds, so I was wondering if there where any common suggestions of similar key binds for abilities? It feels like I have more keybinds than I know what to do with so any hits for grouping abilities would help
this mess is what I am using for key binds right now. Any suggestions would help
hazy bronze
Ctrl, alt, f. Q, e
devout basalt
I mean you're missing out on quite a bit there
hazy bronze
There's a lot unused
devout basalt
Anything near wasd should be bound to something
Q e z x c v f
Plus modifiers od those
past torrent
this mess is what I am using for key binds right now. Any suggestions would help
Can do everything from my naga
plush stump
I use one of those Tartarus
quaint egret
Thank you guys for that info. I wasn't even considering some of those, and the visual of your setup helps a lot ty
plush stump
Great device if you can get used to it
past torrent
I use one of those Tartarus
I tried that and it was too weird for me. I wanted to like it so much
violet flume
man been taking a break from prot war since i pretty much reached my goal
mistwaever is fun, i just melee dps most of the time and nothing else lmao
last 3 groups had nobody who could dispel but me though, that was interesting
pale oracle
hey guys quick question that im sure is answered all the time, anyone know how much haste we wanna go for before prioritizing other stats?
restive scroll
hey guys quick question that im sure is answered all the time, anyone know how ...
@lusty grotto
Doesn't matter too much though
pale oracle
sheesh thats a lot, just wanted to know before i make my crafted gear. Thanks m8
restive scroll
Yeah, that one is asked so much that nim had to change his nick name x)
Gonna be there before you realize it in this patch ;)
raw parcel
Question from prot warriors! If you were a designer and tasked with tweaking prot warrior to make them more competitive, what changes would you suggest? (Operating under the assumption that the tier lists are accurate and warrior/druid isn't doing great right now)
winged slate
Warrior is solid. The only thing I dislike is that Ignore Pain can't crit (I think?), last stand sucks, and we kinda get eaten alive by dots
If it can be blocked though, I'm pretty much immortal
restive scroll
Question from prot warriors! If you were a designer and tasked with tweaking pro...
On top of what Andy said:
I think we're considered to have less utility in keys.
@patent osprey might be better suited to answer that as he was the top prot war and switched to ppal.
I'd also say that brv (can't remember full name) is usually considered to be a "bad" cheat death talent, and advised against
steel mist
I kinda wish they brought back ancient aftershock from shadowlands because it slapped for me 
winged slate
Side note on the dots thing, it's okay for some tanks to be worse at certain tasks, and if being bad against dots is uniquely our thing, so be it
restive scroll
But yeah, dots.
That fits well with class identity imo, but damn that can be rough (high tyra ad, tott)
Feels kinda helpless
Thankfully fyrakk trinkets helps out in brh
winged slate
Can't have everyone be good at everything or else the game has no texture
So I'm cool with it
steel mist
I havent play prot war but is the rezan dot could kill us?
winged slate
It hurts pretty bad on high tyrannical keys
restive scroll
I havent play prot war but is the rezan dot could kill us?
Yes. If healer forgets you/ you lack cd for one
winged slate
If you're paying attention and budgeting for it you should be fine
patent osprey
On top of what Andy said:
I think we're considered to have less utility in keys....
I didnt SWAP T_T
restive scroll
At least i'm sometimes having trouble in 26~
patent osprey
AFFLICTED IS A BAD AFFIX
restive scroll
I didnt SWAP T_T
I only see you on your pal lately :(
restive scroll
AFFLICTED IS A BAD AFFIX
Oh, yes.
patent osprey
Its like almost impossible to do 2 afflicted dispels when a boss also has a dispel mechanic
Like 2nd boss in Fall, with only an aug + healer = death
winged slate
be healing
no free GCDs for random dispels
shaman no brain
:\
steel mist
let me guess, demo shout and last stand with ignore pain could mig the bleed damage from rezan?
winged slate
Afflicted can go to the garbage can
Just rotate wall
Last stand sux and doesn't really do much
steel mist
Just rotate wall
oh gotcha
restive scroll
Wall is up for one out of two bleeds
winged slate
and I think impending victory is always up
steel mist
i guess the cheat death trinket and an absorb trinket is a must have
restive scroll
Not really, but fyrakk's pretty good
restive scroll
Take off the training wheels and learn to not die
Depending on key level*
steel mist
my warrior is still 60 , havent touched it from df pre patch
im tanking on the dk for now
but im considering to dust her off
winged slate
See the real fun of DK is doing high tyrannical Oakheart and having him just fuckin kill you
That's some real CBT right there
restive scroll
I didnt SWAP T_T
Oh, and that's good to know, it's a genuine pleasure seeing you play war :)
steel mist
That's some real CBT right there
you have no idea , how much i hate that fucking tree so bad, I do vb and lichborne with slappy hands, still hurts like a mfer.
winged slate
You should probably take rune tap just for that
steel mist
its a waste of talent and rune dumpp
winged slate
It's not when it saves you from dying
crude notch
If you're pressing your buttons right you shouldn't be dying there.
steel mist
no one takes it unless you sacrifice some necessary talents and the dk boys in discord will go apeshit if someone takes it
but so far I havent died to oakheart grip
its just so rando pug decides to be next to me and getting one shot from the frontal
winged slate
DKs begin to hit points where their lack of mitigation simply kills them, rune tap at that point can absolutely be the difference
steel mist
and im not moving
winged slate
I've certainly seen some of the highest rated DKs using rune tap for that exact reason
crude notch
And the highest DHT timed by a BDK 28 Fort and 27 Tyr has been done without rune tap, so.
winged slate
This one?
winged slate
Surely Kyeee has no idea what he's doing, he's only rank 2 in the world
crude notch
It's been done without multiple times.
winged slate
It's commonly taken by many of the top DKs, not sure what to tell you
It's obviously not as trash as suggested
crude notch
You're missing the point
winged slate
Am I? My point is that it's a powerful talent for mitigation in specific situations
That is correct
crude notch
It's not powerful
Let's not get confused
If it was powerful, more people would be taking it.
winged slate
Okay so the top DKs are all wrong then
crude notch
You've come very far from your original statement of they need it for Oakheart.
winged slate
I never said you needed it
I said it's a powerful tool there that can make the difference
winged slate
You seem to be really strong about fighting me despite the fact that what I said was that it's a good talent
We can move the goalposts further if you like
crude notch
- If you're pressing your buttons right you shouldn't be dying there.
- And the highest DHT timed by a BDK 28 Fort and 27 Tyr has been done without rune tap, so.
- It's been done without multiple times.
winged slate
Many DKs take it in extremely high keys, it has a niche. Surely they're not all just trash
crude notch
which one of my statements doyou disagree with?
which one of those three statements is wrong?
raw parcel
I didnt SWAP T_T
You didn't? I was just about to go on a rant about how bad we must be right now if our top player bailed on us. xD
winged slate
I guess you're just determined to make tangential points that aren't really directly related so that you feel correct - Yes the guy who had an aug evoker and an external healing CD with two cheat deaths completed that dungeon without rune tap. Many top DKs are taking rune tap and surely they're not trash, which is the original comment.
Ergo, rune tap is sometimes a good talent
crude notch
The original comment from you regarding crushing grip was "You should probably take rune tap just for that"
My counter was literally just you don't have to.
winged slate
If a player is getting his balls rocked, perhaps a damage reduction could help to mitigate it
That's a thought
crude notch
That should've been the end of it
winged slate
You could run a cheat death trinket in your weekly keys to survive things
But you don't have to
This is such a pointless discussion
crude notch
Uh, that's a point in my favor not against it.
winged slate
Using things to aid you in your success doesn't make them garbage
"Just play better" only works so well for any given player
crude notch
But it's not rune tap or nothing else
crude notch
So then why continue on this conversation?
I said you don't have to take it.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Didn't know that offended you so badly.
winged slate
You simply HAD to interject and explain why you're right
Instead of going "oh yeah some people use it"
crude notch
You're the one that started busting out screenshots of runs
winged slate
Right, because you said some of the top DK runs never used it
crude notch
I merely stated you don't have to use it and that it's been not ran in the highest keys to support my statement of you not having to use it.
winged slate
So I showed a similar run which did indeed use it
Good players take different talents, both options are viable
crude notch
Where did I say it wasn't
winged slate
Why must you continue this, I don't understand
crude notch
Why must you?
winged slate
Oh I see, you're just the "I have to get the last word in" type
crude notch
Projection?
winged slate
Alright, go ahead
hollow minnow
this is the most unhinged conversation i read in a while lol. That jordan got up on the wrong foot
crude notch
Ultiamtely I just think there was confusion on what I was saying, which is obviously my fault for not making myself clear. I wasn't disagreeing with them, I was just stating that you don't have to run rune tap there.
Rune tap is usually not worth the cost and typically there are better solutions within the BDK kit, but can have niche use in the highest of keys.
teal swift
vale bolt
Hey guys, I'm trying to tank keys on my warrior way above what my ilvl should be able to do. I'm trying to find a very tanky build and want some advice
Like I'm running defensive stance constantly to try live etc
This is what I've been running so far, are there any points that I could swap to increase survivability?
Not bothered about damage as the group I'm with are very geared
azure nimbus
Take disrupting shout. Help a lot this season since there’s a lot of caster. It’ll help you to setup pull so that they pack faster
vale bolt
Yea I was considering that
I have been playing a lot of prot pala and VDH and it's so nice to set up pulls with casters
Maybe that's the play then. What would I drop to get it?
azure nimbus
Battering ram
vale bolt
Yea good shout
azure nimbus
You can check on Warcraft logs my page if you want or some of the best like Plkawar or sense
vale bolt
atm I'm also running the lower pummel cd so I can solo kick some mobs
He'd surely be running high damage builds tho if he's doing like 25+ right?
strong forum
If you want to be very tanky you should get spellblock and punish instead of 2x bloodborne
strong forum
Also technically battering ram makes you tankier than aoe interrupt
vale bolt
I am taking reverb
azure nimbus
Spellblock is must indeed take off one point in blood born
strong forum
Cuz aoe interrupt only does smth if your group does 0 interrupts or if your group fully coordinates around using aoe interrupt
vale bolt
Yea but aoe interrupt is more for setting up pulls. I'm struggling with big pulls atm
it's more for leaping to a pack, using it then charging to two other packs and then it brings them in
strong forum
I can't think of a single situation outside of 1st boss area in EB
vale bolt
I'm just used to setting it up so easily with VDH sigil
strong forum
Where aoe interrupt helps with that
azure nimbus
Where aoe interrupt helps with that
Always
vale bolt
Some of the pulls in DHT are nice with aoe silence
strong forum
It's aoe interrupt, not silence
vale bolt
Same with TotT
azure nimbus
And I take defender’s of aegis to gain one charge
strong forum
Don't confuse thec2
vale bolt
Yea but stops casting for 6 seconds no?
azure nimbus
Yeah you just need to track
azure nimbus
Like first pull on Tott when you take all room
strong forum
interrupt
vale bolt
Is that how it works?
azure nimbus
They cast instant you can interrupt
strong forum
It literally says interrupt
azure nimbus
And they come straight at you
Caster on eb
Caster on first pack in brh
Well pretty much everywhere
strong forum
It's not a blanket silence
azure nimbus
Just wait when they cast
strong forum
If the mob isn't casting, it doesn't silence them for 6 seconds
vale bolt
Also the imps in DHT are ROUGH without aoe silence
Yea but like, on pull, all casters insta cast something at you
strong forum
I'm just pointing out it's very niche
vale bolt
so using an aoe interrupt is pretty good no?
vale bolt
Yea but that's what I'm trying to do. I am trying to set up fat pulls easier
azure nimbus
Unless you play/plan around it
Sure you’re right about that but pretty much every caster start casting when you pull
So it’s still silence them
vale bolt
and warrior doesn't have a lot of ranged stops. I hate the low range on interupt as it is lol
azure nimbus
And they come at you
azure nimbus
I disagree
vale bolt
I mean I will give it a try in a few keys and see how it is
azure nimbus
First pull brh It allow me to interrupt 4 caster
vale bolt
If it's not bringing enough utility then I'll drop it again
azure nimbus
Nah… you have a free interrupt like in stairs before third
If someone miss an interrupt
strong forum
Right.
vale bolt
I often use aoe taunt tbh. I get threat ripped off on pull a lot with a havoc and ret in the group
azure nimbus
On big boy with bat
vale bolt
So moving on from what seems like a very sensitive topic, is there anything else in the tree that can make me more tanky?
azure nimbus
It’s not that sensitive
In higher key, one cast means one death so in my point of view it’s always worth
Especially when it help you setup some pull
Like almost every first in each dungeon
Every one play
Like they want
strong forum
Not a sensitive topic, just tryna explain how useful a 1.5min CD aoe interrupt is
azure nimbus
We are just talking here
strong forum
Ye just a discussion
ionic fern
I've grown to love the AoE interrupt, BUT - only in premades and certain dungeons.
vale bolt
Is this a good talent pickup to get?
More armour and flat hp seems good?
But what do I drop to take it if so?
azure nimbus
Nop
ionic fern
Is this a good talent pickup to get?
It's meh. We have other better options.
azure nimbus
It's meh. We have other better options.
++++++++
strong forum
You can't get it without dropping better talents
It would be a nice pickup, if it wasn't in the 3rd gate
vale bolt
Ok so this is the tree so far then
strong forum
I don't agree with not playing crushing force but you said you don't care about dmg
So yeh
strong forum
Shield slam is our top dmg in keys
vale bolt
Yea I am literally very low on damage anyway because I am 449 ilvl and the other dps are 470-480 lol
strong forum
So buffing that is good juju
That means you'll have threat issues yes?
So buffing dmg = more threat
😉
ionic fern
I don't agree with not playing crushing force but you said you don't care about ...
This. Crushing Force should be a "must". o.o
azure nimbus
Ilvl will come very fast
sick sentinel
god
vale bolt
They're holding burst for a few seconds for me to get threat then I just live while they blast
sick sentinel
i didnt do any keys at all this week
strong forum
Nice lads
azure nimbus
Craft shield bracers back
sick sentinel
so i got like, 1 hero item in vault lmao
azure nimbus
Then in 17 aspects
sick sentinel
might just fill it with heroics tonight and take a spark
but this shit
this shit make me log in
vale bolt
So how does "block" work for warrior? Like does spell block work like normal block? Is it the same as prot pala?
sick sentinel
you have to be facing it and it has to be a single target fireball type of spell
ionic fern
So how does "block" work for warrior? Like does spell block work like normal blo...
Yes, the same as "normal block". Only works when you have Shield Block up while Spell Block is active.
vale bolt
Like this tells me that I have a 38% chance to mitigate all the damage from an attack. Is this correct?
sick sentinel
and then you have to have spell block active, and probably shield block, shield block makes all blockable attacks blocked, so assume it does that for spells
ionic fern
This is "passive" block.
That can happen when you don't have SB up,.
When you have SB up, it's 100% block chance.
vale bolt
Ok so shield block is diff?
sick sentinel
so, if its a fireball targeting the ground say
vale bolt
Oohhh ok
sick sentinel
you cant block those
vale bolt
But targeting you if you use spell block AND shield block then you will 100% block that spell?
strong forum
Blocking an attack is also not 100% mitigation
It's closer to 50% with a 480+ shield
vale bolt
And then when you block the attack it reduces it by 40% in my case
sick sentinel
the description i gave isn't hard and fast but it will get you through 90% of spell blockable crap
vale bolt
Interesting
sick sentinel
Blocking an attack is also not 100% mitigation
i think you technically CAN block 100% of a spell though right?
vale bolt
Coz I think pala is a little different with blocking
vale bolt
Oh what I meant by that is you 100% block the spell and therefore mitigate whatever your block mitigation is
sick sentinel
im not precisely sure how paladin works for spell blocking but i think its mostly the same thing
vale bolt
And is there an upper cap of shield block uptime? Like for prot pala 14 seconds is the cap on your SotR so you lose efficiency etc
vale bolt
im not precisely sure how paladin works for spell blocking but i think its mostl...
It's through a passive talent that blocks based on a percentage of your block chance iirc
sick sentinel
well i think they also have some shit about whenever they block a spell that spell does 30% less dmg and then theres also something about they can block more shit than we can with our spell block
so its not entirely the same, cuz it's entirely passive always on for them
ionic fern
And is there an upper cap of shield block uptime? Like for prot pala 14 seconds ...
Every tank has 3xAM duration
So for Warriors it's 3x6
BOlster breaks that cap, but we don't run Bolster anymore.
ionic fern
What abouty it?
vale bolt
Does it break the cap?
ionic fern
No.
vale bolt
Ok so I should look to open with it without pressing SB then
vale bolt
Yea I meant charge into shield charge for the insta stack of SB
I always open with charge for the rage
blazing condor
You can pop shield block mid charge
vale bolt
You can pop shield block mid charge
Yea normally do that
blazing condor
Icyveins have the opener for you on their site
vale bolt
But I suppose if it's one stack of SB then a SC after can't hurt
blazing condor
Nope but you dont do it insta
You get demo shout down first
And tc/thunderous roar
atomic kettle
how am i meant to deal with the spider pull in BRH, shit fucks me up everytime
vale bolt
Well my pull is charge with thunderous in the same gcd (sorta) then clap, then SB in the same gcd
Wait no not thunderous, demo shout
ionic fern
how am i meant to deal with the spider pull in BRH, shit fucks me up everytime
You're not.
You kite it.
vale bolt
how am i meant to deal with the spider pull in BRH, shit fucks me up everytime
Get dispelled 4Head
ionic fern
And hope your DPS'ers CC them.
atomic kettle
ionic fern
I usually let my DPS'ers wait below the stairs, run up, aggro the small spiders, run down.
vale bolt
On high keys on my prot pala I just run up and get everything and pop divine shield for it lol
ionic fern
And pop a SW depending on the stacks.
vale bolt
For warrior, does spell block there stop the stacks?
ionic fern
No.
vale bolt
Or just the damage?
ionic fern
No.
vale bolt
Well fuck lmao
Don't know how I'm going to fair on high keys there. guess I will have to just double stun them
ionic fern
Idk what you consider "high keys". On a 27 Fort:
-Druid roars
-Druid barks
-Run up, gather them all
-Run down + Dwarf racial
-Stun at the door to group them
-Wait for your DPS'ers to kill them
Not that horrid, just have to rely on your team a bit.
vale bolt
I never had an issue for it on my VDh tbf, but I think I just have a lot of control
Oh I just run all the way up to the big spider normally. Is that not advisable?
ionic fern
No.
Not as a warrior
At least not on any adequate key level.
I mean, you CAN do that if your team follows and knows what's up.
Just don't LoS your healer.
vale bolt
Yea right. I might have to adjust things then
median tulip
It's worth knowing that if you don't take any damage, you don't gain any stacks. So a healer that Shields you can do really well there, as the hits themselves do very little damage
vale bolt
Oh interesting!
ionic fern
Jep, + monk rings etc.
vale bolt
So like disc priest is pretty strong there I suppose
median tulip
Alternatively, if you have a Shaman have them throw the Earth Elemental in to eat all the stacks for you
atomic kettle
just get a rageheart
ionic fern
Every healer can dispell it.
vale bolt
4Head
ionic fern
THey just stack up to oblivion again real fast-
median tulip
Can't shammy just dispel it?
Resto can (it's magic) but not Enh/Ele
vale bolt
Oh thought it was only some that can dispel magic
vale bolt
My wife is a resto shammy and holy priest main so I should be good
atomic kettle
and spriest, technically
median tulip
and spriest, technically
true
vale bolt
Wait what. All healers can dispel magic?
vale bolt
I thought they could only dispel like 1-2 of their niche things
atomic kettle
yes
median tulip
Well... "always" since... Cata, I think?
vale bolt
Like disease for pally etc
atomic kettle
but that's their niche things
the niche dispels are for the class
magic dispel is for healers
vale bolt
Well goddamn
median tulip
Disease/Poison/Curse/Bleed are class-specific dispels. But Magic is all healers. It's how Blizz make actual healer mechanics.
vale bolt
Ok til
vale bolt
Why can't they make afflicted able to be magic dispelled then ffs
atomic kettle
and spirest can dispel magic on a 2min cd with mass dispell
vale bolt
My wife has to talent into an extra ability to dispel it
median tulip
Why can't they make afflicted able to be magic dispelled then ffs
That's specifically so Mass Dispel doesn't work
atomic kettle
and imp
atomic kettle
they aren't anymore because of the cd change to MD anyways
vale bolt
They could just make it so that aoe dispels don't work like it works for Incorp
Honestly, I think it would be better with explosives back instead of afflicted. It's really beginning to rub me the wrong way
atomic kettle
to be clear tho
priests also need ti talent into disease dispel
just like a shaman
vale bolt
Yea
It's just so silly of a mechanic because there are so few classes that can help with it so it just becomes a healer mechanic
But then some healers have to also swap out throughput talents to deal with it
Whereas incorp is able to be handled by almost every spec
atomic kettle
throughput is debatable, its in the class tree whioch means you're most likely scrificing utility for... utility
vale bolt
True I suppose
But then again, dispelling costs a fair bit of mana, plus it means that when you have the affix coming out you can't dispel any other group debuffs because you need them for afflicted
It's just a silly affix
median tulip
You're taking the disease dispel for 5 of the 8 dungeons this season anyway
The problems only start when DPS refuse to help out and you need to dispel things from people as well (usually because the DPS refuse to kick, either)
vale bolt
Yea she's been trying to use poison cleansing totem for them but
sick sentinel
vale bolt
It seems to spawn faster than 40 seconds
median tulip
Not that I've been running Waycrest on my Priest a lot or anything
sick sentinel
ya, my vault is gunna be terrible
vale bolt
The problems only start when DPS refuse to help out and you need to dispel thing...
Aint that the fkn truth
I avoided WM on my Ret when I was pushing in the first few weeks because it's impossible to not accidentally have Divine Storm pull mobs through walls/floors
timber nest
I avoided WM on my Ret when I was pushing in the first few weeks because it's im...
I noticed this and started pulling everything to the courtyard. Ez fix
median tulip
It's when you pull adds from above while fighting the Heartsbane Triad that it's an issue
vale bolt
I noticed this and started pulling everything to the courtyard. Ez fix
Not so ez when you are the Ret paladin and the tank doesn't know about pulling out lol
vale bolt
It's when you pull adds from above while fighting the Heartsbane Triad that it's...
Also this^
The ol' "uhh I brought frens" that I type mid boss fight is great
median tulip
I mean I pull everything I can to the Courtyard anyway, because EVERY SINGLE WEEK has something I don't want to be dealing with in those narrow corridors
vale bolt
Yup. Normally it's the killing of anything in any corridors. The act of entering the dungeon actually
Can't wait for Tal Dagor to come to M+ again 🙃
toxic pewter
fun fact my friend has had access to this mog for like 3-4 months
Lol how