protection

[urban portal]

how much armor do we even have rn

and yeah i like this better

safeguard being 20% DR bakes it un noticable

even if its better sometimes

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know, we will see

[cinder nova]

Assuming you use current armor as a guide, it's... alright.

I dunno, I really wish they'd give us offensive group utility or something to bridge the gap.

Nothing I've seen in MT lets us do anything we aren't already doing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued to see how usefully Stormstrike damage impacts our DPS.

But... unless it's so powerful that it cements us as a pretty noticeable clip ahead of other tanks to make us the "DPS" tank, I'm still nonplussed.

[wheat bronze]

Unless I'm missing something, the only thing Stormstrike really does is make it benefit from both 5% physical and 5% magical debuffs since Stormstrike is physical/nature

[hollow rapids]

how do you guys handle oakheart on tyranical in higherkeys? he rip my hp to shreads in the grip.

[grim pilot]

Def stance spell reflect demo shout

And you can use shield wall -> ls -> shield wall on grips, respectively

Fyi people were complaining about charges from 2nd boss in eb?? That shit does literally NO damage

If you get back on time and not stand in green

I was scared of that boss and then I went eb and I took no dam from it

[echo egret]

« Literally No damage » = lie

[grim pilot]

24 tyra

My hp bar didnt budge

[echo egret]

I doubt it does zero

[grim pilot]

Unless I didnt get out of the green stuff asap

[echo egret]

That’s what « literally no damage » means

[grim pilot]

…

[chilly brook]

Leap breath, pool resources for grip

If you don’t have a healer that’s ready to pump heals into you either you’re gonna get rekt

[shy python]

Everbloom +19. Really nice Trinket dmg 🙂

[ionic fern]

That's bull.

Either you had a massive absorb on you or your healer was spamhealing you.

It's around 100k per tick on that lvl with mitigation up.

[ionic fern]

As said before,Leap the breath. Rotate defensives + IV + devensive stance for the breath. Try to go in to it with full IP and a full bar of rage so you can spam IP.

[grim pilot]

Yeah, like I said - if you dont stand in green stuff. Simply leap away asap

[sick sentinel]

just, a ton of hinging points of failure

many many many things that can go wrong in that key

i have that perspective with like 50% of dungeons(games) the doomer perspective, mostly see the bad first

like, for example i also see AD and undersuck as the same, many many many points of hnged failured

[blazing condor]

Merry christmas

[sick sentinel]

god dmanit

repaired for 400 godl, could have repair for free lol

im curious to know if this is the paladin or me is at fault, after dying he says "my trinket ?( dunno which one) makes me very slow"

[blazing condor]

Looks like he ran in front

[sick sentinel]

we failed that key by alot, but i remained calm that key at least

final boss deleted everyone with swirls twice over, and wiped on the video just shown (attrition loss, dps too low, boss did too many attacks, got us)

[blazing condor]

Make sure xavius dont stand in any puddles

[sick sentinel]

shaman by the end was upset that i wasnt reflecting the bolts on xavious

"throw the bolt" he said in chat twice

[azure nimbus]

Well, for me it’s both « fault ». The thing is if you charge right away after the bump you can’t bait/avoid the charge he does after the bump. I let him bump me and at the end of his cast I jump right or left to avoid his charge. But pally as nothing to do I front too

[azure nimbus]

You can’t reflect anything since he doesn’t target tank. So except if you’re the only one alive reflect will only work as Damage magic reduction. Reflect is worth on bat just before tho

[sick sentinel]

we do have a second warrior in the group now what i double check, could be he's talking to them

[torpid saffron]

Defo his fault, but why are you not sidestepping that frontal tho

The charge is avoidable

[azure nimbus]

Yeah, stop charging right away after bump. Let him cash while he’s changing in bear then when he charge at you jump right or left. When you know the room you can even bait him. Roots stop him and can prevent you taking damage. So if you’re behind roots you’re « safe »

[strong forum]

On low keys pwar can just tank it

Even on moderate keys

Since it's blockable

[torpid saffron]

Yeah, but it was a 18.. he took half of his health

[strong forum]

So nothing scary

Cuz the boss does nothing else

[sick sentinel]

what i have been doing, is when the boss does the ?cat leap? i think it is right before the bear charge

when the cat pounce ends, i do charge, hold back pedal so he comes forwards and cant hit the group with charge

[strong forum]

You just do nothing

The boss comes back on his own

And he knocks you back with his bear attack

And just stay there

[sick sentinel]

okay, so wait for pounce, bait the bear charge

charge the bear, repeat

[strong forum]

And sidestep as his cast finishes

[sick sentinel]

if i can side step the bear charge and then charge the bear after, and thats easy, i'll do that

oh nvm i see now, he does a cone before charge

[blazing condor]

I didnt even know u could dodge the charge

Ive just been tanking it face on

But ive also not done higher than 21 tyr dht

And that takes like 20% hp

[strong forum]

Ye it's no biggy for pwar and pallys

[azure nimbus]

Cuz it’s physical but it’s always good having reflex right from the start 😄

[strong forum]

You can sidestep the charge after being knocked back

But you can also still block his charge with a stone in the way

[ashen coral]

Who did this ? 🤣😭

[strong forum]

You know exactly who

[ashen coral]

I really don't, I am not familiar enough with this discord yet 😅

[sick sentinel]

not me

i never open reflect guide

[strong forum]

Sense is the only one

Who can edit it

[ashen coral]

Oh ok

[pallid quiver]

so you're saying sense's sheet got hacked, because there's no way sense would do that, right? :L

[ashen coral]

I thought there were several people who had access to the sheet x)

[inland raft]

does tree boss in wcm do more damage when take into fire at higher stacks?

[sick sentinel]

no shoulders yet, this is the easiest one i know that drops shoulder, so im doin that

[potent anvil]

Yeah, the clear is affected by stacks.

[azure nimbus]

Don’t greed on this one, destack after two thorns in Tyra especially it’ll become a lot easier just wait that no dps are blocked by thorns and go

[torn gulch]

yea in pugs i generally do not try to be fancy on that boss

because you cannot assume anything

[torn gulch]

we actually had a very interested log based discussion on this channel on both thorn and clear damage and the thorn damage is not affected by stacks because it is considered environmental damage while the fire comes directly from the goliath

[potent anvil]

Yeah that makes sense. In lowish keys, I tend to just tank without clearing.

[sick sentinel]

my DHT group mates had functioning brains this time

was great

[torn gulch]

oh yeah no clear until early 20's

on fort even up to like 25 without clearing

[sick sentinel]

we had some fear spam before the tree, and 3 koolaid men spawn, other than that really great run

[torn gulch]

with good dps

[sick sentinel]

nobody randomly sniped to swirls

and the 1 guy that did get rez anyway

[opaque quest]

What the hell are coolaid men

[blazing condor]

Big red water elementals

Before dragon boss

[sick sentinel]

O YA

look it up, then you'll see why i call them koolaid men

[opaque quest]

Havent heard them yell oh yeah yet

Need to turn on sound ig

[toxic pewter]

@sick sentinel been farming for the grungy backpack since I saw youve been wearing it. finally got it lol

[opaque quest]

Finally completed wow

You can rest now

[toxic pewter]

lol

[vocal flame]

I usually just side step the bear its much easier

[vocal flame]

how did you take no damage?

I know if you leap away far enough you can dodge the charge but thats about it

Anyone else use DBM with DHT? The tree breath timer seems to be a bit off. Timer expires, I leap wait a second come back then he does breath???

[blazing condor]

Yeah its not 100% accurate

But it gives a good indicator on when you should turn ur camera around

So when its around 0 secs left just turn and wait a few seconds

[frosty mango]

I usually try to clear @35 but the tree seems to actually not to damage you as the tank

Yesterday I decided to just not clear which seemed to go fine then fire spawned on the boss and I learned why that was a bad strategy

[sick sentinel]

very nice on the backpack

i've heard you have to do 10 10 10 on that event to spawn the dude with the 1% drop for the clean metal version of it

or it might be part of some quest, but there is one exactly like it thats the new dk heroic color

[left basalt]

offtopic but finally dropped
/yay

[blazing condor]

[vocal flame]

copy that thank you

[queen ingot]

How bad is it to macro Spell Block to reflection? I'll un-macro them eventually, but I'm really new to prot, so I'm trying to consolidate a few things while I learn

[blazing condor]

I mean its bad because if you can reflect a spell you dont need spell block at all

Because spell reflection takes away 100% of the spell

So then youre just wasting the spell block

[queen ingot]

ah true

[opaque quest]

Can we open presents yet or do i need to reinstall tomorrow

[cinder pasture]

Think it's tomorrow

[opaque quest]

Aight ty

[toxic pewter]

Why you have wow uninstalled

[opaque quest]

Burnt out

[blazing condor]

Cus hes smart

[opaque quest]

No point in wasting my time when i have to replay the raid next season anyways

So why bother

[toxic pewter]

Ngl next season going to suck ass

At least the dungeon pool

[opaque quest]

I honestly dont care. Ill just skip next season too then. If blizz doesnt want my money its fine with me

I havent played more than 2 patches per addon since legion

[strong forum]

Arms is fun

I get to enjoy execute phase again

Unlike on prot

[uneven mason]

If only they gave arms condemn

[brittle owl]

real warriors fight without arms

[toxic pewter]

Well still have the animation at least

[opaque quest]

Ye massacre gives us the move at least

[uneven mason]

I'd enjoy the extra 20% if execute phase each fight

[opaque quest]

I really dont care tbh. Just give SS more dmg above 80%

[sick sentinel]

ss +80% dmg above target 80% hp u say? sounds good to me

implement that today, then i can be over powered on galakrond

[zinc root]

Wow gives up presents?

[cinder pasture]

Yea, in IF every year

[echo egret]

Is there any serious info about it ?
Or just the suspected 10 dragonflight ones ?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah will be the Dragonflight ones

[echo egret]

Sigh I’ll need to fully reconfigure my nameplates

[toxic pewter]

Just an awful pool to be honest

Df dungeons some of the worst in wow history

Perhaps the worst

[echo egret]

I find all pools to be stupid due to their non-balanced state

[toxic pewter]

Well at least this season has been fun

[echo egret]

I still find it stupidly unbalanced

[zinc root]

Hey any recommendations for prot warrior m+ runs on YouTube, to watch them run their key

[echo egret]

Hello BRH vs Dawn

Or AD last boss for pugs

[sick sentinel]

hov my favorite dungeon

[blazing condor]

pikatv does high end pwarr dungeons

[sick sentinel]

this chat will crucify me for this but i dont really mind so much

"nice 85 gold bro"

[lusty grotto]

nah not really its not a bad craft if you cant get any higher

but the moment you get a myth track shield from vault, you should replace it

[sick sentinel]

i got 2 myth chances at shield from keys IF i open as prot

and i have another shadowflame patch kicking in bags still

[toxic pewter]

I’m opening in prot these days cuz I really want a heart trinket

Already have shield and stuff

[vocal flame]

max mythic is 489 isnt it? not a massive difference

[toxic pewter]

Yes for shield max mythic ilvl is 489

[lusty grotto]

it is a massive difference

thats the only piece that gives you block value

so yes you ALWAYS want the higher ilvl shield

the top end being the max ilvl, which should be 489

it doesnt matter if its 1 ilvl more, its more block value

[vocal flame]

ahhh yeah that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

Always always always ilvl on shields > all, ilvl on weapons > all (unless Sims say otherwise, like gholak)

[sick sentinel]

yep, like i say if i ever get a 489 capable shiled

[toxic pewter]

People keep saying prot warr is easiest tank these days.. Wat u guys think are some ways prot warriors min max their gameplay? Some that come to mind are utilizing stances well and outburst usage optimization

[echo egret]

Know the fights and when to use your cool-downs properly

[toxic pewter]

Like defensive cooldowns or all cooldowns

[echo egret]

All

[chilly brook]

Who says that? lol

Bear still exists

And DH isn’t exactly difficult

[toxic pewter]

Most people consider prot warr babby first tank these days

Been like this since df launched tbh

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

I haven’t really heard that at all

[echo egret]

Same

[toxic pewter]

We used to be one of the more difficult tanks but now we considered one of the easiest

At least our skill ceiling is the lowest

[blazing condor]

Pwarr is easy compared to SL

[toxic pewter]

Since we got shield block uptime 100%

[blazing condor]

But i wouldnt say easiest

[toxic pewter]

Who is easier

Bear tank has higher skill ceiling than prot warr these days

Vdh also higher skill ceiling

[hazy bronze]

You'll get the EB one Tuesday I beleeb papa yogi

[blazing condor]

Difficulty isnt measured in skill ceiling imo

Its measured in skill floor

Where bears is lower

Mastery is measured in skill ceiling

[toxic pewter]

I mean the two are related

But yeah I guess we may not have the lowest floor I suppose

[soft plume]

been thinking about leveling a vdh to see if the grass is greener on the other side

the thing is i've played one at lvl60 and have not enjoyed it at all, also theres less buttons

i like the high APM of prot war

[warm plinth]

What makes you say this?

[brittle lake]

this cap is good ? or change ?

[vagrant nacelle]

Change game language to english

[brittle lake]

here is crit 22%, haste 43%, mastery 20%, versa 23%

[warm plinth]

Stats don't matter

If you want damage, sim it. Otherwise just get Ilevel

[tired crystal]

Unless you ahve talents that work better with a higher certain stat, they literally mean fkall XD Ilvl and sim all the way

[brittle lake]

ok ty

[trim bay]

Tbh unless you're doing content no one has done before the type of tank doesn't matter. Play what you find fun. That's my opinion anyway. Can be completely wrong

[tired crystal]

Is wowhead bis gear 100%? I sim higher on a M+ haste verse ring

[smoky crystal]

the bis-list only works if all of your items are Bis otherwise some items may sim higher

[waxen frigate]

don't use bis lists they're outdated and only exist because the website owners for some reason mandate it

sims will always be more accurate than a bis list for your individual character

[pale karma]

Noob question - can you sim defensively? Website I used said it’s offensive only.

[lusty grotto]

no

all sims are offensive

and by website, you mean raidbots, which is the only one that exists

[warm plinth]

What do you mean Nim, askmrrobot exists and they even say they can sim defensively!

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

wait does it actually still exist?

[warm plinth]

yeah

even has shit for classic and wotlk

[soft plume]

@patent osprey can u tldr how i succeed in a waycrest really quick sir

[lusty grotto]

im not him, but whats giving you problems?

[teal swift]

Pika has logged keys, and streams

Go watch a wcl replah

Or watch him stream

I want a gladiator spec, is that too much to ask

I don't want a prot talent or stance

I want a 4th warrior spec

Druid has 4

Q.Q

Arms fury prot gladiator

[urban portal]

try again in 12.0

they specifically siad they arent making glad stance in next expac

[warm plinth]

I kinda doubt we see more specs for a while considering the hero talents are kind of a "sub-class"

[daring marlin]

I have a dream

where glad stance dies

[warm plinth]

I don't really understand the cult following honestly

[urban portal]

people just want a sword and board dps

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-zech-swag-cool-sunglasses-gif-21094539

[teal swift]

I don't want glad stance

I want glad spec

A 4th warrior spec

[daring marlin]

same shit

[teal swift]

Not alternative way to play prot

[daring marlin]

4th spec should be ranged

ME AXE TOSSER

[teal swift]

When was last time we had ranged throwing weps

[warm plinth]

what do you think heroic throw is smh

[teal swift]

I know we had them in wrath

I know we didn't have them in legion

So when did we lose them?

[pallid quiver]

heal spec, ranged

[warm plinth]

Mists is when the "ranged" slot disappeared and guns/bows were turned into main hand slot so I assume then

[pallid quiver]

MoP still had the throw action, though, which just chucked normal ass daggers

[teal swift]

Ty

[urban portal]

we can throw rn

all good

[teal swift]

I've played since wrath

So much of the game blends together

[desert wind]

Any other warriors trying to stack crit ? 👀

[delicate gull]

I think the 4th spec for Warrior should be “The Nipple Twister” it would be a cc based spec that forcefully locks on to the enemy and cranks the enemies nipples. They have to get out of the hole by hitting a bunch of buttons in a sequence. After 1 second in the hold they let out a terrifying scream that fears their allies.

[lusty grotto]

happy holidays you son of a bitch

[lusty grotto]

sus

[daring marlin]

Merry Christmas you filthy animal!

[lusty grotto]

the best home alone quote

[teal swift]

[regal elm]

Quick question, have anyone try'ed not removing Soulbound Goliath Boss stacks and just man tank it in +25 - 26´s? Did it on a +24 this week and my health wasn't even dropping till like boss was at 5% hp.

(Waycrest Manor)

[hazy bronze]

The stacks also increase thorn damage

[violet flume]

pretty sure they dont

only melees, tank buster + fire

[regal elm]

Hello! ty for answering, the stacks don't increase thorn damage.

[violet flume]

i know i dont reset on fort, but idk about tyrannical, especally +24, ive only done +20s

[teal swift]

No they do not

[teal swift]

Someone knows what's up

Crush is basically an enhanced auto, you can check logs like

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NWcGKhaPQRjCx1Ay#fight=5&type=damage-done

To see what pika did

And just emulate

Here's a tyr waycrest 28 log with a prot warrior

Because I can't zoom on my phone

You'll see that the stacks are cleared 3 times, total of 133 stacks gained

36ish stacks per clear, so after every 3rd thorn, seems like a good benchmark.

Lower keys can go higher but, I think after every 3rd thorn is a good point.

(I default to pika, because he not only runs some of the highest keys on prot warrior.... He consistently logs)

[regal elm]

Thanks! Appreciate the tips 💪🏻💪🏻

[teal swift]

Gl

[broken kite]

If you can survive don't clear

If you aren't sure, clear

[warm plinth]

That's how I play it as well. When I'm getting to the 30 stack mark, I gauge how many stacks we'll probably get and if I think I can survive them

If I am not sure, I clear

[hardy ridge]

Sounds like you’d enjoy classic bruv

[broken kite]

I think the most I've comfortably tanked was 83 on a 24 tyran

But cleared 25 earlier in fight to have a clean rest of fight

[south hazel]

is it best to open vault in prot spec?

or arms / fury

[hardy ridge]

Prob prot until you can 489 shield and gholak

[broken kite]

I did fury until heroic gholack, then arms until auguary. Will likely go back prot now for last 3 ilvl on shield (using crafted)

[hardy ridge]

It’s true, you can play however you want. Go play your putin class king

[teal swift]

Who's the troll

[chilly brook]

crafters are fuckin wildin

ain't no way I'm paying you 10k for a r3 gem

[teal swift]

Yeah i tiup 500g per craft

and take the 40% chance on it lmao

[jagged pier]

Its the crafting mafia

Never trust

[wind oak]

the scam for that gem

[cursive prawn]

Inb4 it’s your alt

[wind oak]

i do friendly price now

5k

[jagged pier]

Theres literally script macros for most classes that has everything in button

Not for prot

But for alot of the dps classes

And they work pretty well

Sometimes they are adventurous and have a ST button and a aoe button

But thats too much for u

[sick sentinel]

EVERY

FUCKIN

TIME

go to crrafting auctionhouse place, put in order for enchanted whatever crest

WITHIN LIKE 3 MICRO SECONDS IMMEDIATELY WHISPERED BY SOME DUDE

presumably hes saying like, the same as ur message "10 k i can do it for u chief just send it to me"

10 seconds later, check my mail, its already made and mailed to me, delete the dudes whisper box, never think about the guy again

this is literaly what it is for me

[teal swift]

People will craft them for free for the crests

Because they stack resourcefulness and get free dracothyst procs

[sick sentinel]

accidently bought 4 dracothysts yesterday instead of 2 for aspect crest

at least i have more for then

why am i such a masochist for hard games that im bad at lmao

[teal swift]

What's the hard game

I like hard games 😮

[sick sentinel]

Sub terrnia or Project over kill

either or

both are hard as SHIT

sub terrania takes the bullshit of lunar lander with the gravity and fuel and you cant crash and mixes it with a bit of shootemup/almost metroid kind of game play

overkill is doom but its diablo 2 esque and you die your dead type of thing

without spoiling anything

at lvl 7, the game just straight up gives you a giant FUCK YOU

in the form of this screen

up until this point, they have been providing highly detailed maps and locations of the enemies

[sick sentinel]

i died end of lvl 7

[lilac bloom]

is there a legendary weapon like 2H Fyr'alath the Dreamrender

for protection warriors

[teal swift]

Yep

||Thunderfury, blessed blade of the windseeker|| might be a bit late tho

[uneven mason]

The 1h offa fryak is better than the 2h change my mind

[opaque quest]

Whenever i see that i just text back lmao fuck off and /ignore the person

[uneven mason]

Crafting in this expansion has filled my ignore list

[sick sentinel]

tried that game again, died on final level

[lilac bloom]

You mean [Gholak, the Final Conflagration]?

thats only 483 on max heroic gear for me

[uneven mason]

Yes, but it's prot usable, thus the best

[lilac bloom]

ok..i have it i just never usedi9t

it

[toxic pewter]

Wat have u been using

[lilac bloom]

Volcoross's Barbed Fang

[echo egret]

I hate AD because of last boss. Hate it hate it hate it. Every time, 30 mins of nice play ruined by that pug-unfriendly bitch.

[urban quail]

wa

[lilac bloom]

It is boss week. Plus affix to deal with it is hard

[echo egret]

Sadly it's tyrannical every other week.

[timber nest]

hmm, thoughts?

[toxic pewter]

Wait so you have a heroic gholak but you are still using some other shittier weapon?

[timber nest]

thinking i might just use this weeks spark on m+ bracers

[vital vale]

hey guys, is there any good videos/youtuber prot warriors who do high end m+ tanking

[jagged pier]

Plkatv and sense

[sick sentinel]

yogi if you want to deplete

on low keys (relative low to 25s, also, my videos are u have to have the link anyways, i only have 2 public m+ videos

[hazy bronze]

Is there a YogiFans?

[sick sentinel]

yeah its the gay sex bear in bg3

id idnt want it, but they put me in

they didnt ask so now im considering lawsuit

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[torn gulch]

the only weapon better than a 483 gholak is a 489 gholak and that's it

[left basalt]

Timewalking loot last night, still the best shield in the game.

[strong forum]

except for the fact that you lose a shitton of stats to get like 7% armor

[vital vale]

oh man, no secondaries tho

[strong forum]

but it is kinda cool to have a 483 bulwark

[left basalt]

im not using it

but it the best "model" is what i meant

[strong forum]

most iconic yeah

1ppm on that proc

xd

[echo egret]

Is it TW raid loot that rewards that high items ?

[left basalt]

that was from the reward "box"

from doing the whole instance

got normal champion loot from all the bosses

[echo egret]

aaaah

[opaque quest]

Make the procc last 60 second

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[forest grove]

How does a Mag'har orc use arcane torrent? wut

[strong forum]

trinket

ember of nullification

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming they have the ember of nullification

[forest grove]

aaaah - i was not aware that would show as arcane torrent in logs and details

thanks

[warm plinth]

What, you want Blizzard to create a new spell or something? smh

[forest grove]

i keep forgetting its a small indie developer

[warm plinth]

Yeah, like, they only made $7.5 billion in profit last year

Give them a break

[forest grove]

damn, i need to slow down on those wow tokens

[spark mortar]

Is Pip's any good for protection from people's experience?

[warm plinth]

sad part is that was actually down from $8.8 billion the year before

[sick sentinel]

see i told u guys that game was easy Kappa

its hard, but its short,

i carried as a warrior once again, what else is new

[opaque quest]

giggity

[sick sentinel]

new create your own ground race toy at the xmas tree

[median tulip]

It's distinctly average. It doesn't give Haste, so its defensive value is pretty meh. And its offensive value is likewise pretty bang average. Overall there are better choices for both pure offense and pure defense.

[median tulip]

Beyond that it's just a stat stick. The best thing you can really say about it is that it won't ever trouble your diminishing returns threshold.

I believe it's a good choice for Arms though, if that matters to you.

[chilly brook]

Yeah pretty high up for arms

[ashen coral]

I have just finished fyrakk in solo tank thanks to your advices so big thank to you !!!

[broken kite]

Nah that's mage tower pwar shield xd

[strong forum]

Also not wrong

[toxic pewter]

wish i had time machine for that set

[broken kite]

The shield from Abberus is also pretty cool

The remake of the old shield

I forget it's name

[sick sentinel]

i got the tw legion shield like a year ago

took forever to save coins and not spend them

[toxic pewter]

which shield u talking about

calamitys herald I guess?

[echo egret]

Yeah, the car door remake

[median tulip]

Best looking shield was the one from MOTHERLODE!!

[sick sentinel]

i like the one from tol dagor the prison door

[toxic pewter]

ya thats a good one

[limpid pawn]

omnicd is not showing some interrupts on there, like mage for me

anyone else have this problem?

[trim bay]

As in the mage doesn't pop up in the interrupt list you activate for dungeons?

If not I would say they are not speced into it otherwise it would be there

[lusty grotto]

counterspell is baseline

but if they mean something other than CS, then thats on their settings

[waxen frigate]

Did you configure it

[toxic pewter]

check out this sweet trinket i got

this baby increase my hp by 245k every 1 min at full upgrade lvl

u guys jealous or wat

[trim bay]

no

[toxic pewter]

Y not

[vocal flame]

guys i got it in raid finder lmao

10k dps loss lol

Also Merry Christmas all !

[strong forum]

Merry Christmas

[lusty grotto]

happy holidays and merry xmas

nome why no holidays skyhold icon this year?

[strong forum]

Idk I pinged vel with it but no response

[lusty grotto]

[tame quest]

Hey guys I havent played prot since s1 and wanted to give it a go again. Is it me or does prot warrior have the worst self sustain out of all the tanks? I feel like I rely on my healer, which is a bad feeling. For context I got all my portals in s1 as prot, so i know how to play the class at a decent competitive level.

[strong forum]

I don't need a healer at all this season outside of 2 specific bosses

Idk

[tame quest]

Maybe i need to pro actively juggle defenses better, but when your hp gets low and you impeding victory... what else can you do?? lol

[toxic pewter]

I feel very tanky myself with new tier set gives us a lot of damage reduction

[strong forum]

If you need active attention from your healer something is going horribly wrong either from your group or yourself

[strong forum]

That should be enough

Only way to feel squishy is when you know exactly what's happening and despite using your cds and someone else using their cc and interrupts correctly that you're still dropping low or dying

If you're feeling squishy cuz you don't know what's happening, that is an entirely different story

Cuz then it's just you not knowing what's going on

And not a fault of the class

[tame quest]

I don't feel that squishy, some fights im finding easier as prot warrior over prot paladin. I just don't know how to recover if i get low hp besides a singular impeding victory. DKs can death strike, paladins can WOG themselves to full hp, even brewmasters can expel harm a couple healing orbs and be full. But warrior is just ???

[strong forum]

You shouldn't get low in the first place

That's the whole shtick of warrior

[tame quest]

That's a fair point

[strong forum]

Warrior isn't built around recovery

Warrior is built around not dropping low to begin with

[toxic pewter]

Are we actually the best tank for mitigation these days

Can we even say that

[strong forum]

We are always the best mitigation tank

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[limpid pawn]

its tough to beat DH/pally utility tho

[tame quest]

I think we are. The shaman boss in TOT does like nothing to us with just shield block and IP up, its a joke compared to tanking as prot paladin.

[limpid pawn]

like DH can silence entire groups for god knows how long lol

[toxic pewter]

And I feel like it’s true we are the best mitigation tank but then sometimes I wonder if even other tanks have taken that crown for us in some ways

[tame quest]

Paladins have better mitigation but they do it in 1 min cd intervals with wings, we do it all the time

[lusty grotto]

no, they dont

we have the best mitigation, end of story

[toxic pewter]

Hell yea I will say I’m still glad we are best mitigation tank

Glad we have not lost our way in that regard

[lusty grotto]

it does even lower damage with spell block up

i will never understand saying "with IP up", people keep thinking its more than a rage dump

as if there's any gaps with it on proper play

it screams playing incorrectly

[strong forum]

If dmg intake is high enough between attacks

Then IP can in fact not be up

On say treeboss

But it's still up for most of everything

[lusty grotto]

right but thats an exception, not the rule

[strong forum]

But when you get meleed without it up on a stack boss, it does fuck

Yeah

When IP isn't up is when you drop low

Which is why you prio rage gen with SS

Over padding aoe with TC or revenge

Rage is what keeps you alive

Aka SS resets, if you don't get SS resets on a boss. That's when you die/drop low

[tame quest]

I had no idea, thanks for the tip. I always thought he did a combo of magical and physical damage with totem on

[lusty grotto]

hence

spell block

[pallid quiver]

thanks for reminding me i should be spell blocking stormflurry

i've just been kinda using normal defensives if anything last time i'd been in there because it didn't really hurt

[lusty grotto]

yeah it tickles

but the higher the key goes...

[split ridge]

three embelished items

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/police-cop-whistle-stop-shaike-ophir-gif-17365949

Illegal

[split ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/push-cop-laugh-run-nyc-running-away-police-chase-gif-13601445

[strong forum]

D:

Is that allowed?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

i always laugh at the guy smashing the thing on the wall

[onyx hearth]

Prot have any signature utility? like pally is the interrupt king, monk controls, DK grip or DH 20s silence.

[grim pilot]

Reflect

[violet flume]

one thing i miss when i play non-warrior tank is our hard CC

3 stuns 1 fear

reflect is nice but thats more of a personal defensive

bring back mass reflect heh

[onyx hearth]

3 stuns? shockwave, storm bolt, what is the third one?

[violet flume]

shield charge

[onyx hearth]

oh shield charge

I mean, I use it as a offensive cd

[violet flume]

yeah of course

i only sometimes hold it back when i want to stun soemthing soon

but it often defaults into on cd usage for damage

[onyx hearth]

and grind my gears when I turn the reflect on and someone interrupts lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah that happens a lot when pugging

[pallid quiver]

i mean at least they're interrupting

[lusty grotto]

yup

[warm plinth]

hi nimchip cutie

[lusty grotto]

whats up bud, happy holidays

[warm plinth]

you too

[novel temple]

Mass reflect that also provides the magic dr would be nice

And safeguard.

Also double reflect

[median tulip]

A tale of two Waycrest +19s:

[lusty grotto]

[robust surge]

do you guys prefer to lust 2nd or 3rd phase on blight of galakrond

[waxen frigate]

that doesnt change the self sustain question though imo

when you take significant damage as prot for whatever reason you definitely lack the tools other tanks have to quickly recuperate that hp

[warm plinth]

I think wind phase is the best lust point since it's the most hectic part of the fight

[fair bone]

Guys is the protection warrior bad

?

Does anyone know who is the more tanky of all the tanks right now

[median tulip]

No

[fair bone]

I am an returning player and i used to play prot warrior but i heard that in the current season there are some bosses in dungeons that do extra damage to tanks and i want to know which tank has the better kit and survivability right now, even if is not the one thar does the most damage, do you know?

[median tulip]

There have always been bosses with tankbuster attacks.

All of the tanks are viable for all content. Any differences between them are only relevant to people running on the absolute bleeding edge of key pushing or mythic raids.

[warm plinth]

You should play prot warrior purely so you get to see just how many stacks is too many on soulbound goliath

[median tulip]

If the Soulbound Goliath gets enough stacks to kill you then your party's DPS players suck.

[fair bone]

So prot warrior is the tabkiest?

[median tulip]

We're the kings of mitigation. We take less damage than anyone else. The other tanks all get more self-healing than we do though.

If your mitigation fails then you're in trouble though

[fair bone]

But if you are good you are immortal right

[median tulip]

If you're good

[urban portal]

every tank is immortal

tank is always the last one to die in most content

[grim pilot]

Bdk is the actual immortal tank

Provided he doesnt deal with 300 mobs at once

If your whole team dies and pwar gets a bleed youre kinda fucked

[chilly brook]

I really need to just start selling runs lmao

[chilly brook]

DH is the tankiest currently

but it hardly matters

your ability to live is not the limiter on groups at the momen

[sinful stone]

my last two +20 runs for the week are showing up as +0

is that just a UI bug?

[restive scroll]

Mythic+0 are regular mythic dungeons. You sure you did them in keystones?

For instance if i clear brackenhide on my leather working, it'll show as mythic 0

[strong forum]

M0s/heroic/timewalking dungeons now count towards vault aswell

You just didn't do 8 m+ keys

[cyan sorrel]

Lol

[twilit trail]

Hello, why is Thunder Clap and Shield Charge not in the same order in ST vs AoE openers?
Is it about Rend?

[echo egret]

For those who did the full Black Temple TW run, how long does it take ?

[hasty flare]

Would assume because TC is appling Rend to targets it takes prio when multiple targets getting application (i dont actually know just assuming)

[sick sentinel]

no idea wtf

but i cant link warror mount tab mounts into chat

comes out as gibbeish spam

can link toys and other stuff on warrior can link mount tab mounts on paladin in chat

[uneven mason]

Because TC applies a bleed, SC does less damage to secondary targets

[uneven mason]

25min

[kind mirage]

Hello community, I like to play both PVE, war mode and battlegrounds. I was wondering if it would be a good strategy to acquire PVP gear to play all modes, as I sit on some amount of conquest points / honor already, and when yes, which piece is the most important to get (was thinking abiut the trinket, but am not sure)

[toxic pewter]

trinkets or weapon/shield I guess would be my first purchases with conquests yea

I usually just keep a seperate set of gear for pvp and pve myself, but to start out can just work to collecting pvp gear I suppose then swap out PVE pieces as you collect more

[kind mirage]

That was the plan, indeed

[turbid iron]

Wondering if anyone can help, I have the ability to craft 2 x 476 (useless i think) and 1 x 486 I'm trying to figure out what % on stats im trying to aim for but having issues; just hit 3k rio and some bosses either 1 shot me or do no dmg...

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xo2VcbGQpdYUVczh7hVEYY

Any help would be amazing 🙂

[restive scroll]

You shouldn't get one shot by any bosses at 3k.
Do you have any logs of that happening?

[turbid iron]

Basically from what i can see, if my ignore pain drops and i get a frontal on a 24 i die

other than that i take no dmg from any pull

for example the Chrono-lord on fall if i dont get ignore pain on then dead

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tZyB7wAxfVPDQkMX#fight=last&type=deaths

Here is one where i take 3.7m dmg

[sudden grotto]

do you press stuff when no IP?

and do u press cds for when u know u re gonna take more damage?

warrior mitigates damage, meaning u need to prevent it from happening in the first place

not react to it afterwards

im sure someone might look at ur logs

[turbid iron]

Sometimes i dont really expect to take massive dmg

[sudden grotto]

yea that s an issue

[turbid iron]

So it might be a mob learning curve

[sudden grotto]

and that s likely when u die

or are about to die

tanking is constant learning

[turbid iron]

other issue i wondering if other people have is, the healer just letting dps die constantly is so annoying and then i look at im overhealed like 50m

[jagged ferry]

Any suggestions on CD Roation for 26 Waycrest Second boss?

Clear at 30 and then tank the rest?

[sudden grotto]

u cant do anything about other than pulling properly and cc ing/interrupting important casts

[sudden grotto]

u always clear right after every 2nd thorns runs out and guy is topped up

[turbid iron]

And make sure you use a defensive when you walk into fire

[sudden grotto]

aoe damage goes up per stack, all tank damage related damage goes up per stack, thorns damage doesnt go up per stack

[sudden grotto]

u dont need to walk to fire u can just go around it

boss needs to go to fire

[jagged ferry]

So do you clear after every second thorns?

Ive seen warrior tanks just not clear at all before.

But no idea how he sustains that

[turbid iron]

after 3rd throns you will take like 30% hp each autoattack

[sudden grotto]

u either dont clear or u clear after every 2nd thorns, depends on ur knowledge of the damage intake

[sudden grotto]

that s key dependant

[sick sentinel]

dependant on group snapshot what tanks do with wcm tree boss

cuz, if healer gets rooted, and then you take it to fire, its going to hurt or kill alot of your group at the least
tree stacks is just what cd's do i or the healer have ready

[lusty grotto]

ignore pain doesnt matter

its a rage dump

stop looking at it that way

what key was this? was it deios?

[turbid iron]

yes in deios

it hits me for 950k

so i use a defensive for each cast

but i still sit at like 30% hp and die

[lusty grotto]

You need to leap the breath @uneven mason

[turbid iron]

but i could only do that once right?

then the other times i have to get hit until 45 second cd is back

[lusty grotto]

you can do that twice

we run bounding stride

take a look at the builds in the pins

you only used spell block once in EB

you took ticks from the ground, you need to move

and even then you can block those with spell block

no bounding

[turbid iron]

i just changed the pain and gain to bounding

[turbid iron]

this on the council boss?

[lusty grotto]

most of these problems are you not playing correctly

after 3rd thorn in WCM you shouldn't be getting hit that hard

do you have a log

[lusty grotto]

yes please take a look at this pin

[turbid iron]

only recently started to log so not sure if i have that

[lusty grotto]

i did 80 stacks in tree boss this week

you need lust on it

you need a big shield

and you absolutely need SB up 100% of the time

1 gap, and youre dead

1 butt hit and youre dead

[turbid iron]

do you think if i have a 483 shield i should be crafting a 486?

[lusty grotto]

i did it with a 483

you need to work on your SB uptime

i swear i need to change my nick to "IP tracking doesnt matter, its not your active mit" at some point

or "IP will be up at all times regardless, if you're playing correctly and there's no gap in rage intake"

[median tulip]

I don't even need to DStance until 60+ stacks on Tyr+20

[pallid quiver]

I recommend using your CDs.

It sounds a little rude, but you could have just lived this easily by not getting hit in the back and actually pressing spell block, which had been off CD for about 16 seconds by the time you needed to have pressed it.

also, don't get hit in the back

[lusty grotto]

when you run out of the puddle, it can happen if youre not facing duhlu

[pallid quiver]

i don't think he had time to run out of puddle

he died in less than a second

[lusty grotto]

yeah i noticed

[pallid quiver]

I'm pretty positive he was facing away from him the entire time

at least while getting away for charge

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty positive you're cute

[weary saddle]

a common mistake is exposing your back to dhulu when tank try to face one if the casting bosses to kick

[warm plinth]

Gottem

[turbid iron]

normally i leap as he charges or charge back

[lusty grotto]

no need to leap

you literaly take 3 steps away

[warm plinth]

You only need to move far enough to not drop puddle on the stationary boss

[lusty grotto]

yup

[pallid quiver]

My condolences on you needing a new glasses prescription. Eye exams can be kinda expensive

[turbid iron]

yes so ill walk away with the circle then when he charges i leap back to stack them asap

[pallid quiver]

I traditionally took more because melee have this dire urge to slam WASD as much as possible

[warm plinth]

I have insurance and I just had a new prescription last year. Sorry for the bad news

[lusty grotto]

this is where i usually put my puddles/charges

[pallid quiver]

i had to get a new prescription every single year when i was younger

eyes bad

[lusty grotto]

its like 3 steps away from Telu

and 3 steps away from Gola

[pallid quiver]

also at a quick glance, it looks like you're undervaluing shield slam based on this one log

[warm plinth]

[pallid quiver]

oh i just read this nim

that was me one time when i tried to charge the thorns at the wrong time at the wrong angle

got fucking obliterated and it was fort, even

don't get hit in the back, kids

[sick sentinel]

im a day late, but heres my merry christmas skyhold if i didnt wish everyone it and happy new year

[turbid iron]

in terms of priority, should i be upkeeping shield block > IP and then using revenge if theyre both on and thunder clap and shield slam is on cd?

[dusky canopy]

well, yes sorta but you dont look at ip as something you need to maintain

you look at ip as a way to dump rage so that you dont generate rage while at the cap

[grim pilot]

Revenge is like your lowest prio

If you have dot applied

[sick sentinel]

NA affixes?

anything scary

or we dont know

[hazy bronze]

Howd you sleep yogi?

[grim pilot]

Sanguine bolstering fortified

And thundering

[royal obsidian]

IP doesn't have to be up, if you're at 40 rage with SS and TC on cd and you press IP that doesn't give you a reset you've just silenced yourself until next SS, meanwhile you could've done 3 revenges with triple chance for reset

[lusty grotto]

no

SS > TC

revenge only when both are down

IP in between without rage starving yourself

your revenge prio is completely wrong

Shield slam always first in the prio

always

TC is second in the prio

revenge only to fish for SS resets

revenge is dead last and should be used the least

[forest yacht]

does anyone know how to reproduce this?

[lusty grotto]

the addon spamming reflected is incorrect

that is not reflectable

it probably means he intercepted it

[forest yacht]

intercepted?

[lusty grotto]

yes?

you're supposed to stand on its way

to keep melee uptime

[forest yacht]

sure but why did it do no damage

[lusty grotto]

otherwise it charges to africa

blockable

crit block probably

could be parry-able too

it does 0 damage to us

if youre taking too much damage, you either have the debuff

or simply arent playing correctly

[dusky canopy]

Nim, Merry Christmas

[forest yacht]

i mean i had the debuff already

i just assumed it would do more than 0 damage

[lusty grotto]

merry xmas

crit block probably, again

do you have a log

[royal obsidian]

Parry

[lusty grotto]

im betting it was a parry

[royal obsidian]

You didn't get second stack

[dusky canopy]

Cant wait for santa ion to gift me augury in vault and axe from fyrakk this week

[lusty grotto]

yea

[dusky canopy]

[forest yacht]

i did

im uploading a log

just a sec

[royal obsidian]

Damn number tiny l

[forest yacht]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LJya9H6WtrTNwgn1#fight=last&type=damage-taken&phase=3&source=2&ability=198080

is this it?

it says 1 missed lmao

did boss not have enough hit rating

[lusty grotto]

parry

[forest yacht]

damn, i need more crit then

parry op

[lusty grotto]

not like that boss hurts

[forest yacht]

i was trying to see how many stacks i could take

[blazing condor]

says 1 hateful charge was deflected

[royal obsidian]

Thought so as well when my hp didn't move with wall up on 2nd charge in 25

Then I realized it didn't move coz cheat procced

[forest yacht]

lmao

[lone mauve]

Seen brewmaster being able to have 100% dodge for every charge kinda busted

[royal obsidian]

That's neat but boss is ez anyway

[strong forum]

parry/dodge

reports as deflected there

[blazing condor]

weirdge

[strong forum]

ye

[blazing condor]

considering it can also detect it as a "parry"

i mean i wasnt expecting SR to work either way but its weird writing on WCL's side

[strong forum]

SR dun work on anything on that boss

its all physical

except fel bat spit but

lol

[pastel sleet]

Wait you can reflect the green lines?!

This game is weird

[lone mauve]

Wait huh

[royal obsidian]

Reflect by reducing damage

[lone mauve]

Oh

[royal obsidian]

Not making the line go backwards

[lone mauve]

cringe

and sad

buff warriors

[toxic pewter]

i found a @sick sentinel in the wild

[harsh laurel]

Yo tomorrow will be the first time for me playing the afflicted affix, how do I handle it as pwar?

[royal obsidian]

You dont

[harsh laurel]

That’s what I thought but maybe y’all had some secret technique

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-gif-4147702939019082819

[harsh laurel]

Will just remind others then 😎

[toxic pewter]

that my reaction when i readd handle afflicted as warr

[vocal flame]

haha that is great. I was honored to see Nim in the wild a few times before he left Arthas 😦

[harsh laurel]

“Handle the affix or handle me leaving”

[vocal flame]

Just bandage the poor souls seeking aid before the cast goes off lol

[royal obsidian]

Or just don't say anything instead of being a dead weight on the affix and boasting about it

[lusty grotto]

good rets can solo the dumb affix with a WoG crit and a dispel

good rets like

ahem

chipadin

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

when i started playing chipadin as ret

it was literally afflicted week

and i was like

bruh i can solo 2 of these fuckers wtf

actually no, it was not afflicted week cause i think i started playing ret on it late s1

memory bad

[dusky canopy]

Brain diff

yikes

[royal obsidian]

Did that as shadow in s2 aswell

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i think it was early s2

i was like, you know what, im actually gonna stay ret for the entire exp

[royal obsidian]

Never again am I gonna play for the rest of the party

[dusky canopy]

Ret is cool ngl

good pick

[lusty grotto]

yeah.... its ok

not amazing but not bad

[dusky canopy]

ret is like the og support spec

[lusty grotto]

hyperfocused trees just need to die

[forest yacht]

theyre luck i even went malice this week

next week theyre on their own

[dusky canopy]

I liked it before it was "popular"

[turbid iron]

why do we take violent outburst if we're not using ignore pain so much it will basically never proc right?

[lusty grotto]

wat

[dusky canopy]

procs all the time

[forest yacht]

what

[lusty grotto]

VO procs on rage use

[turbid iron]

30 rage though

[lusty grotto]

you are using ignore pain, because it is your rage dump

[forest yacht]

its every 30 rage

[royal obsidian]

You use ignore pain alot

[turbid iron]

so it will only proc when you use ignore pain

[dusky canopy]

every 30 rage you spend yeah

[lusty grotto]

no?

[royal obsidian]

Even if it isn't high on prority

[forest yacht]

not every 30 rage at once

[lusty grotto]

it will proc when you use the required rage for it for the stacks

[forest yacht]

you goober

[dusky canopy]

doesnt have to be at the same time

[strong forum]

huh

[dusky canopy]

you can spend 5

then 10

then 15

and it will be 1 stack

[lusty grotto]

i think you completely misunderstood me

go back and re-read what i said again

regarding IP

[strong forum]

who isnt pressing ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

the highlight is especially important

[forest yacht]

im still at the spam ip stage of prot war

[strong forum]

as you should

[blazing condor]

with this tier set spam IP is very fine

[forest yacht]

looking at whats on cd and hitting revenge is too much thinking

i could have pressed ip in that time

[sick sentinel]

at 6 stacks of SR, if you cast IP, you skip 7 stack and go right to 8, giving you VO

[lusty grotto]

theres no decision making regarding what to press, since IP is off-gcd

its not gonna take a gcd's place

you can do it in gcd wind up

or what is known as gcd weaving

but of course with incredibly high haste, its not really doable

because your gcd is so ridiculously fast

i.e. with lust

so you just use it as is

anyway, after this reset we start a good push week

except for BRH, raging doesnt do shit

i.e. knife dances

and of course the little demons

but kinda feels like thats the only dungeon that would be slightly harder with raging, and that's not saying much cause its BRH

[blazing condor]

we got a lot of ways to soothe now anyway

rogues use shiv in rotation, hunters and druids are still used

[lusty grotto]

yeah but still not needed like in prev seasons

the great majority is just kickable

aside from BRH knife dances and drink concoction etc

also dont forget evokers

[median tulip]

Evokers can soothe?

[lusty grotto]

aoe soothe yes

[median tulip]

Wow

[median tulip]

Is there any utility that they didn't get?

[lusty grotto]

thats on the class tree, so any evoker can spec it

[dusky canopy]

The only thing they dont have is brez witch they can craft into so the spec is just insane utility

[toxic pewter]

they took our lust

truly wild that occurred to this day

[lusty grotto]

augs? augs should always craft brez bracers cause its double mastery

if you see an aug without one, hes inting hard

[left basalt]

mythic chest i think, still no augury /reee

[blazing condor]

seems like a pretty easy myth track chest

[left basalt]

simming neck just to be sure, offspec fury

[warm night]

Do I take the weapon over the higher ilvl chest?

[toxic pewter]

vault keeps giving me mythic head but i dont want to use tier headpiece lol

[blazing condor]

alternatively do LFR and kill fyrakk first before picking

[warm night]

Good call good call

[vocal flame]

Def sim it! I got the raid finder Gholak yesterday but I have a 486 weapon and it was a 10k dps loss lol makes sense tho. Its not that OP to make up a gap of that much ilevel

[toxic pewter]

would taking the neck over helm be just bad even though I like the neck stats more than the helm stats

[waxen cradle]

What ya think guys, dont have shoulders but could get them from Smolderon if lucky, have a Fyrakk weapon but its just normal mode

[blazing condor]

normal gholak is probably still better

but youd have to sim

[waxen cradle]

and my 2 trinkets are rezan non mythic level and a Ursine trink from H Amir

[vocal flame]

what shoulders do you have now?

[waxen cradle]

heroic which if push come to shove could try for Smolderon shoulders or if had to convert Heroic level non tier I have to tier

[vocal flame]

Def sim but that is one of the better necks out there.

[toxic pewter]

well the helm will prob just sim better lol

but i want that neck lol

[grizzled nova]

(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻

[vocal flame]

me too lol

[toxic jungle]

Hey, if I clear Fyrakk with prot loot spec is it still the same chance to get the leggo?

[toxic pewter]

yeah same chance to get leggo in any spec

[warm night]

Follow-up dumb question for simminmg -- what's the max level of the LFR weapon? It's champion track so 463?

[blazing condor]

veteran goes to 463 yeah

[median tulip]

In the long run, you will replace the LFR weapon. You will not replace a Mythic track chest piece

[median tulip]

Congratulations on your new socket

[loud light]

which weapon should I craft, axe or mac?

[lusty grotto]

whichever gets you an easier recraft

[loud light]

what weapon enchant should I go?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims highest

[restive scroll]

Neck is kinda bis, so that'd make sense long term, even though slightly less strength right now.
Where so you see yourself in a month? :p

[toxic pewter]

I just took the ilvl on the helm

it is what it is

[left basalt]

helm enchant scales with helm too

[toxic pewter]

i have the neck already as heroic track, it was just a .2% increase to damage, vs the helm was 1.2%

yeah i shifted some gear around and my stats are sorta OK still

[lusty grotto]

your stats will always be ok with ilvl > all

[umbral warren]

Hi, I have a dumb question. Is avoidance a good thing to have as a third stat?

[lusty grotto]

not particularly

[umbral warren]

should I avoid avoidance?

[warm plinth]

No. But it's not something you can/should seek out.

It's just a happy coincidence if it shows up

[lusty grotto]

its very minimal for us

[umbral warren]

well it was on a hero ring from my vault it was that or hero legs

[warm plinth]

Minor damage reduction is never bad but we just don't really care about aoe damage

[lusty grotto]

whatever is the biggest ilvl increase honestly

[grizzled nova]

It's fine, but it's working on damage that is very specifically not tank specific, which means it's tuned for non-tank players, which means it isn't going to make much of a difference for you. It's not worth sacrificing ilvl or better secondary stats for.

[umbral warren]

thank you. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't bad for tanks

[warm plinth]

It shouldn't factor into decision-making unless you're comparing same ilevel of the same piece.

[lusty grotto]

well, legs is a huge stat increase

[warm plinth]

Then you take the one with avoidance over one without

[lusty grotto]

so honestly if legs were higher ilvl than yours, you should go legs

[umbral warren]

same ilvl...I was just thinking third stat on a ring is nice when I can get hero legs almost anywhere

[lusty grotto]

also reminder today we get a cata charge

sure

[vocal flame]

I was reading 10.2.5 will prob be early Jan then cata is every week

[lusty grotto]

yes

[warm plinth]

You're a cata charge

Gottem

[lusty grotto]

idk why i even bother checking vaults

on nimchip

just gacha shit for gholak/rageheart

[sick sentinel]

i got myth l egs

[boreal folio]

How do we deal with doing big pulls without losing threat on stray mobs? I've only just started tanking on the warrior, but I'm finding my dps are getting slapped in between my thunderclaps if I'm trying to do multiple packs.

[lusty grotto]

bigger damage = more threat

[blazing condor]

ravager / thunder clap / shield charge usually deals with all initial aggro

[lusty grotto]

get better gear

you WILL lose threat to people that overgear you

[blazing condor]

if youre chaining groups into eachother you shouldnt need any big damage cds just have groups that realise they cant just blast if youre gonna pull more

aoe taunt is your friend and heroic leap resets taunt if you need to get a mob back

[sick sentinel]

bring rogue hunter if you have aggro problems in party is a cheese fix

[hazy bronze]

@mouseover taunt and heroic throw macros can help

[sick sentinel]

paladin a little bit too cuz bop and bubble

they arent total fixes for bad gear or bad play, but they can bridge the gap

totally depends on your group how you solve aggro

[boreal folio]

Yeah, thought so. I'm only sitting at 430 and cleared an 8 for my vault, just wasn't sure if it was a skill issue, trigger happy dps or just a gear problem. Was leaning more towards the latter.

[lusty grotto]

its a gear problem

[boreal folio]

Just felt spoilt having played blood with two charges of boil/DnD

[lusty grotto]

430 is low by today's standard

[sick sentinel]

i would advise if you can hunter and rogue while you gear puts tricks/md on you on cd

[boreal folio]

Yeah, he was pretty fresh. Got a weapon from the key and a shield from the vault so ill do another run later and see if there's an improvement.

[lusty grotto]

people spamming low keys for wyrms will most assuredly outgear you

[boreal folio]

I was fine mid pack once I had them grouped, its just that initial awkward spot between thunderclap that was getting me

[sick sentinel]

if you a a better player as a dps i'd dps the first few keys

like if you do rotation and dont stand in any circle ever, do your kicks