protection

[sick sentinel]

just my experiences in pug world

[modern gazelle]

Disagree. Final boss on a high tyr key might be the worst boss imo

[chilly brook]

Final boss isn’t bad

But only if people actually stack and you move the boss

Everyone should be stacked on the boss so spiders spawn behind boss

Then you move

[pallid quiver]

I've not once seen everyone stack

Even when we were all melee

[modern gazelle]

id like to see a pov of that cause every kill i have and even vods of top keyers is chaotic

[uneven nymph]

with the 4 piece, would taking a point off of ravager and putting it into bloodborne be better for damage in single target and over the course of an encounter

[pallid quiver]

Absolutely not

[uneven nymph]

or do we use ravager more for the rage generation and extra damage on cooldown

ok

[pallid quiver]

By a long shot

[modern gazelle]

ravager is good damage dont remove it ever

[warm plinth]

kinda sadge timewalking reward

[lusty grotto]

yazma is fucking easy as shit for us BFA vets, but apparently its not for everyone else

[chilly brook]

It’s just a knowledge check

[pallid quiver]

ghash do my timewalking

And my raiding

And my M+ for vault

[chilly brook]

Stack on boss and move or don’t and hate yourself

[lusty grotto]

its weird because the mechanics arent even hard

but holy fuck people suck at it

[warm plinth]

I did all 5 of my timewalking dungeons in 28 minutes on war

[pallid quiver]

I spent my 20 minutes free time today on playing fighting games

[modern gazelle]

idk i have groups stack and it still gets to be a cluster

[lusty grotto]

no not really

[modern gazelle]

stack on boss, corner to corner, then move for soul rend and the spiders still jsut swarm the entire area in tyr keys

[lusty grotto]

that means youre not doing it right

tettles has a handy vid for non BFA vets

here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxbMalc5TUg

[pallid quiver]

DPS brain rot

It hits me when I'm on my Shaman

I could blame the people standing inside voss so I can't see spiders, but I'll admit I'm a dum dum

[lusty grotto]

thats just a different point

[modern gazelle]

is there any other good boss tech for war besides final tott?

[waxen frigate]

War is all I think about.

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

i cant wait to curbstomp you in these ugly ass ric owens

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

did you see we're getting a rolex next month

from trading post

[lusty grotto]

hell yea

[waxen frigate]

if this watch breaks, the foreign exchange market will take a 28% hit.

people will die

[toxic pewter]

I’m finna wear that

Gonna be the most sophisticated vulpera this side of the maelstrom

[uneven mason]

Like when I attach my fitbit to the dogs collar to get my steps in

[toxic pewter]

Don’t be vulperophobic. Vulpera third most popular horde race and have been out now for almost half a decade

[uneven mason]

Still look like rats

[toxic pewter]

Are you on na or what

[uneven mason]

Don't be regionist

[toxic pewter]

No I ask because if you are I challenge you to a duel do you accept

[uneven mason]

wouldn't want to get fur stuck on my gorehowl

[toxic pewter]

Ok so you forfeit then

[uneven mason]

Literally not playing wow rn

[toxic pewter]

You have been beaten by a Vulpera this day

It is done.

[uneven mason]

I just don't feel it's worthwhile to interrupt Yu Yu Hakusho to curbstomp a furby

[toxic pewter]

Well, we all make choices in our lives.

[chilly brook]

idk what's worse, weebery or furrery

[uneven mason]

It's the live action one, get off my Childhood

[toxic pewter]

It is done and irrevocably the case I do not offer re-duels.

[uneven mason]

or, I suppose teenage years

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/mizu-blue-eye-samurai-gif-12174381025970317791

[toxic pewter]

It’s just offputting to put Vulpera down. Don’t see anyone hating on other animalistic races

[chilly brook]

there's lots of hate for worgen

wdym lol

[uneven mason]

Because Pandaren have amazing combat animations

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera have solid animations as well

And good proportions

[uneven mason]

3 feet tall, their ears are 90% of their body mass

"Proportions"

[toxic pewter]

Like I said there’s a reason they’re third most popular horde race

And good racials too

It’s also like I said they’ve been around now for half a decade

Time to grow up and stop harassing people based on their wow race choices

[chilly brook]

doesn't mean they should have been added at all

[toxic pewter]

???

Can say that about any race

Either way, I have to defend myself, no one else will

[uneven mason]

stick with the original 2

Orcs and Dwarves

[uneven mason]

Where's the other 3rd most popular horde race

to defend themselves

[toxic pewter]

Wat

blood elves orcs and vulpera

They the top three most popular horde races

[uneven mason]

I mean, I'd figure the other Vulpera lovers would pop up and be like "HEY we're 4 feet tall!"

[chilly brook]

Is that so? Cuz the original races have been a part of the universe since their inception

Vulpera just honestly don't fit in the wow universe

[toxic pewter]

???? Dude it’s a made up fantasy world lol

[uneven mason]

☝️

[toxic pewter]

And that’s not even true

Vulpera are a clever and resourceful race that are survivors

[chilly brook]

there's this thing called tone

and continuity

[toxic pewter]

They belong just fine in my opinion

It’s a big world

[chilly brook]

Vulpera just don't fit

[uneven mason]

Vulpera exist because hte horde needed a 2nd short race

[toxic pewter]

Not true

[chilly brook]

they should have just gave us fat goblins

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera have just as much of a right to exist

[chilly brook]

I wanna play Gallywix

[uneven mason]

SHould've given us Dark Iron Dwarves

[toxic pewter]

They are survivors they were enslaved

[chilly brook]

we should have gotten the snake people

[toxic pewter]

They are a good honest people

And traders

They make connections in a moral way not like goblins

Have good caravan resources

[uneven mason]

wat? arn't most of them Desert bandits?

[chilly brook]

they're a throw away race that existed for one expansion and for some reason needed to become playable

we haven't seen sethralis again since BFA

[toxic pewter]

Can say that about any race. Orcs were made up in Warcraft 1 lol

Pandas made up in wc3

[uneven mason]

wat

[toxic pewter]

So what Vulpera only 5 years old

I’m saying you guys say vulpera shouldn’t exist. Warcraft Orcs didn’t exist before they were made up

Lmao

[uneven mason]

Orcs

let me check

[toxic pewter]

It’s all fantasy is my point

Saying one race should or shouldn’t exist is nonsensical

All are welcome

And correct

[uneven mason]

So you're saying Orcs were created for Warcraft 1?

Regarless that WC1 was based on Warhammer

[toxic pewter]

No I’m saying Warcraft version of orcs don’t exist before wc1

Lol

[uneven mason]

So that's the grounding thing

[toxic pewter]

So saying vulpera not having a right to exist because they were made up in bfa is nonsensical

It’s all made up

Lmao

Griff was arguing that

[uneven mason]

Yes but one is a furry fetish and the other is an established mythological creature from the 1600s

[toxic pewter]

They’re not furry fetish though. They’re an honorable race of survivors that perservere in the desert

[uneven mason]

F U R R Y

[toxic pewter]

Do you go around calling Tauren players that

Like what your deal dude

[uneven mason]

Occasionally

[toxic pewter]

Do you believe people that play Draenei are into goats irl? What kind of thinking is this

It’s weird and offputting

[uneven mason]

The thought crossed my mind

why else would you tolerate those yells

[toxic pewter]

Yikes

[urban portal]

everything is made up

its a game

[lusty grotto]

yooooo i miss reflecting tornadoes

[waxen frigate]

Didn’t people say the same shit about pandas

[chilly brook]

yesn't considering they've been a part of the Warcraft universe since before WoW

[waxen frigate]

Yah but that hasn’t stopped people from bitching

If panda people and goat aliens exist Fox people aren’t really out of the realm of possibility

And cow people

[warm plinth]

and fish people

[cinder nova]

I honestly would've preferred more sand trolls instead of Vulpera

I feel like, while novel, it was a wasted opportunity to showcase more nuanced facets of troll culture

[rare walrus]

yo whats stopping people from getting 5 tanks together and chain pulling an entire +20?

[toxic pewter]

Wat literally just got zandalari trolls right before and darkspear has skin color option of sand trolls

[rare walrus]

i feel like it would work

[toxic pewter]

Nothing stopping you

[cinder nova]

They added it after, for starters.

We also know fuck all about sand trolls

[lusty grotto]

nothing

[rare walrus]

tanks are so tanky and have uncapped aoe

[lusty grotto]

its been done

every season

literally

[rare walrus]

ah

[lusty grotto]

every season

[rare walrus]

nvm then

but like

could it be meta?

[lusty grotto]

no it'd be a dick move

[cinder nova]

No.

[lusty grotto]

cause youre taking away potential tanks for other groups

and even if it wasnt a dick move, its still not meta

its 20s

shit is easy

meta is defined WAY higher than flat 20s

[waxen frigate]

5 tank keys have been a thing for a long time. You can get pretty far with it

[fluid shard]

Eyyyy just before the holidays!

[lusty grotto]

congrats

[fluid shard]

Thanks! Such a fun fight

Idk if you are really supposed to be able to 2-2-6 this but we eventually brought in a 3rd healer

2-3-6 worked, but kinda tight

[lusty grotto]

dispels have to be on point really, but should be more than doable

since less people fucking adds with blazes etc

i vastly prefer smaller groups for it on pugs

the whole 30 man shit is ridiculous

[fluid shard]

Agreed, parsing where people are is so much easier

[forest yacht]

Are the IV and wow head guide the same

Or is there a preference

[lusty grotto]

Mwahi is a mod here for the IV guid

llarold is also around but hes not a mod

[forest yacht]

Now that I’m comfortable doing 20s I feel like I should read the guide for real instead of skimming

[orchid mural]

IV all the way, and the builds here are decent 🙂

[muted nexus]

is there such thing as too much haste

[lusty grotto]

youre not even close

[muted nexus]

phew

[lusty grotto]

reading my nickname is hard

[muted nexus]

didn't know if there was some problems with into the fray

[lusty grotto]

ITF is better with HIGHER haste

even after caps

[muted nexus]

oh real?

[lusty grotto]

its % based, not subject to diminishing returns

[muted nexus]

should i be running heavy rep?

[lusty grotto]

no

[muted nexus]

ah ok it's still good at my haste?

[modern gazelle]

What mount is that?

[lusty grotto]

you run HR with LOWER haste

aotc skin mount

[ionic fern]

If you're comfortable doing 20's then i doubt you will find anything groundbreaking in the guides.

[lusty grotto]

with HIGHER haste you run ITF

[ionic fern]

Well, actually, i take that back..i managed to deplete a +9 AD yesterday..

[lusty grotto]

lol

did you really

[ionic fern]

Yep.

[lusty grotto]

thats kind of a feat

[ionic fern]

It indeed was.

Our healer just let us die to EVERYTHING.

This was his healing.

Everyone just ticked down on totem boss.

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[ionic fern]

And then on last boss whoever got Wrecking Pain, just died since the healer couldn't heal.

And then the tank flipped and left after we spent 30 minutes there.

"Go do a fast +9 key on your mage Mwahi" <-my brain.

[lusty grotto]

haha

[muted nexus]

did the 3 -> 5 on anomaly go live?

(for pres)

[ionic fern]

The what? 👀

[muted nexus]

supposedly the og nerf where anomaly only grants 3 players the echo

got reverted to 5

10.1

[lusty grotto]

not supposedly

that was in the class tuning for tuesday

[pallid quiver]

yeah i know this feeling

[pallid quiver]

This feeling, too

[forest yacht]

@ionic fern I just slam tc slam tc slam tc for 30 min until key over

It’s been working till now

[soft plume]

@patent osprey what route u do for eb this week

[pallid quiver]

That's about what you'll find in the guides

[ionic fern]

That's about right.

Especially with the new tier.

[forest yacht]

Execute comes off cd and I’m like, I don’t have the gcds for you lmao slam tc ip slam tc ip

[urban portal]

execute isnt good anyways

[ionic fern]

When that Parry pops off in a 26WM.

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

If i'm not wrong, Plka has all his routes in his Discord.

You can probably grab them from there.

[median tulip]

Last week I failed a +2 Atal'Dazar. 3 complete newbies who just wouldn't listen to explanations of how to do Vol'kal

[lusty grotto]

this week has been miles down horrible from the prev week

doing 18s on alts is just fucking pain

at least in NA

[ionic fern]

This week affixes should have been last week. 😦

Such a solid week, but..Christmas.

[median tulip]

I only have one Alt I'm actually playing this season

[lusty grotto]

i have chipadin and the DH

[median tulip]

Mine is a Priest. I got a mythic track Iridal on her last week.

[latent cargo]

Is there a good christmas shield for the holiday set? Transmog questions lol

[ionic fern]

🤷

[pallid quiver]

Just protest Christmas like me

[ionic fern]

I suck it up for other people.

The adult way.

[median tulip]

Is it? I'm going to be the only one in the house on Christmas Day and it will be glorious.

[pallid quiver]

The adult way, according to human history at large, is to temper tantrum and violently react and force your will upon them with martial means

[median tulip]

I figure Christmas Day will be a great day for pushing keys

Might try and get a Mythic raid pug going

[lusty grotto]

ive soloed 4 timeways so far today

grinding fall for my DH

[pallid quiver]

Holidays are usually pretty bad for pugs

[pallid quiver]

DPS DH?

I'm asking so I have more fuel for complaints to people I know

[lusty grotto]

vdh

[pallid quiver]

they get away with their "it just does too much damage, you don't understand because you tank" excuse today

[median tulip]

I love watching Havoc players kill themselves by Fel Rushing into mechanics

[pallid quiver]

I love watching them hunt into packs

[wind oak]

They really are special

[lusty grotto]

meta class syndrome

a lot of players playing it, so it seems most are garbage

[ionic fern]

I had a decent DH yesterday.

Was nice.

Even used his utility.

[lusty grotto]

ive had a good number of very good ones

really cant complain

[ionic fern]

Our luck has been pretty..horrid with DH's so far.

We usually need to pug one cause no one i know plays a DH.

[lusty grotto]

i had worse luck with mages in s2

80% of them were absolute fucking garbage

it hasnt been that bad with DHs

knock on wood

also i love demo warlocks

not really meta but their damage is insane and since not many fotm rerollers most of them are amazing

and im talking about, since start of the season

they are meta in my heart

now let me tell you about BM hunters

[ionic fern]

We had a Demo yesterday

Bricked our 25 Rise.

Then we yoinked a DH and did a 26 np.

😂

[lusty grotto]

unfortunate

[ionic fern]

It was our first (and probably only) time we invited a Warlock.

[lusty grotto]

could be different between regions i guess

[modern gazelle]

Lol didn’t realize I even got a skin for aotc

[lusty grotto]

last aotc of the expansion

we always get mounts for them

in this case, its a skin because dragonflying

[novel temple]

But it’ll be useable next expansion

[lusty grotto]

yup

[modern gazelle]

Nice 👍🏻

[opaque quest]

Gonna buy curve this time. Gonna be my first one

Like a real chad

But i wont use it to sneak into groups and just uninstall again

[queen hemlock]

Em eh
Noobshit question
What is the LOWEST m+ key i can do to get loot that can be upgraded to ilvl 483

[alpine thunder]

17 I think?

[queen hemlock]

Alright big danks

[chilly brook]

If you’re talking about getting myth track in vault then you need 18s. If however you’re talking hero track loot at the end of the dungeon then yeah 17s

[thorny stone]

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

[hollow umbra]

I am brand new to warrior tanking after our co tank just up and left the raid team, ran HC last night for the first time ever as prot and a bit of feed back i got from healers was my health tended to drop very low regularly and they had to hit their "oh S%&t" buttons on me, Anyone got any tips or tricks i can keep in the back of my mind to better help with my hp?

[ionic fern]

Not without logs.

Use SB.
Learn the boss mechanics.
Learn when to use cooldowns.

That's about it.

[hollow umbra]

i can grab our HC logs from last night, still progging HC Fyrakk as a guild so its only the 8 boss if you wanted to look at it or had the time

[open badge]

Just tanked my first key of the season (and of the expansion) as prot. Feels unkillable in a 20 but my damage was rubbish. Wasting a lot of rage on Ignore Pain. I reckon excess rage spent on IP should convert to a buff on your next SS/TC

I don't like pushing Revenge

Feels bad

[ionic fern]

With the new tier you are pretty much spamming SS/TC and using the rage on IP to proc the tier set, which in turn leads to a TC reset.

Hense completing the cycle.

You don't use nearly as much Revenge as before.

[thorny stone]

Go ahead man

[hollow umbra]

dropped it in log review, feel free to dm me

[jagged pier]

we tend to just drop prot logs in here

wrong talents
low casts
poor management of cds

[thorny stone]

Just had a quick look at the log and gave some tips to him, in summary, press more buttons

[hollow umbra]

Yea massive thanks to Anjan, hopefully I can put that into practice soon. for the first time tanking i didnt feel terrible but we do have good healers so they helped mitgate my whoopsies 😄

[thorny stone]

Work on the shield block uptime as your priority

[hollow umbra]

will do, just maintain the buff, got a WA to track the timer now

[uneven mason]

After SB uptime it's all about damage profiles and using CDs preemptively for mechanics

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfyYuWCh44A ||i sort of really miss lair as a dungeon now||

cant think about the first part and the part after first boss not hearing tihs

[queen hemlock]

oh big thanks sire

[median tulip]

another DHT, another DH killing himself with Fel Rush into boss frontals

[strong forum]

had a havoc on fall today

who decided its a good idea to bounce the corrosion throughout entire party

over the entire fight

[restive scroll]

Is it that central to their damage?

I used to heroic leap to dps (a long time ago), but if there was such mechanics, I wasn't, or doing it very carefully

[opaque quest]

I did DHT once this season. All 3 melees died to breath in one attempt. That was the point where i decided i sleep this season

[ionic fern]

Classic DHs.

[tawny bane]

Hey guys, I had a question about Instigate vs Bloodsurge. Is the dmg buff from Instigate actually really noticable? I just did BRH 20+++ and this was my dps, and devastor is 12th and doing very little. I'm trying to do more dmg basically I don't push keys I just try and do my 8 20s a week and I'm virtually unkillable atm. I've already dropped indomitable and spell block for 2 points in Bloodborne. Just wondering if any of you had any tips. Picture of my talents too. I'm switching from Lariat/Floroushing to Double Shadowflame once I get the crests. (Don't have logs for the key forgot again )

[empty spindle]

gonna start tanking again some keys. wanted to know the best trinkets to run as i have a few tanking ones and dps ones

[blazing condor]

ngl idk how the best way to do that boss is. Tank needs the corrosion for the suck otherwise just bounce off tank when its about to go off or what

[echo egret]

Deios sum-up :
Jump every other breath
SW/LS every other breath
SR/Spblock for adds ?

[median tulip]

The point of everything is the Rage generation, not the raw damage. Those 2 points in Bloodsurge are worth about 3.5% of your overall damage output. Instigate would give you about 0.3% overall, but you should be able to calculate how much rage by looking at the hits of Devastator. Would the increased Avatar, Violent Outburst etc be worth it? That's a question only you can answer. Personally I think you're brave dropping Indomitable; your healer is probably wondering why he has to do so much more work to keep you alive. Log a run and look at Extrenal Healing Required Per Second

[strong forum]

On first blob, insta give to tank, on dragon you bounce once between dps/tank

On the double dragon bounce alot back and forth, obv 90% on the tank

[sick sentinel]

i know what my problem is on the tree but not exactly

[strong forum]

And yeah you gotta move alot cuz lotta shit on floor

[sick sentinel]

im sending my SW early on the second round of attacks

and then i dont have it, im sending it for some other dbm thing

[median tulip]

When I'm playing my healer I usually grab it from a ranged DPS if they get it, and take it to near the tank. If it's on a melee DPS then I let the tank pick it up when they want to.

[blazing condor]

so i was told thought it was fine cus i had no problems meleeing and didnt wanna stink up the place uneccesarily

[toxic pewter]

new wowhead article says not to run brand in doti dungeons i dunno I still think its fine in there

[median tulip]

IMO the Corrosion is actually not a tank mechanic

[blazing condor]

it loses value the more downtime between combat a dungeon has

this week its easier cus of spiteful

[ashen coral]

Hello, is parry only applicable on blockable attack or all attack except some exceptions ?

[blazing condor]

but in general a lot of RP in doti

[sick sentinel]

theres also the race zone

[toxic pewter]

still able to get over 7% of my overall damage though so im happily using it

[strong forum]

Is a bit harder for dps cuz the mob doesn't follow us back into melee range

So we lose a decent chunk of uptime

[median tulip]

There are a few things that can be parried but not blocked, but mostly they are the same

[strong forum]

Every So often

[tawny bane]

Where do I see that sorry? I've got some logs from a Heroic alt raid I did yesterday where I didn't run it either except for Nymue (this boss keeps ruining me) that I could have a lot at it, but its not jumping out to me

[blazing condor]

yeah i mean it makes sense - will do better next time 🫡

[ashen coral]

For example, if a spell is blockable with spell block

Do we need spell block to parry it or not ?

[median tulip]

Damage Taken > EHRPS

[median tulip]

Spells are almost never parryable; Spell Block applies an exception to allow them to be blocked

[blazing condor]

never doing dungeons with this chromie bitch again - trolling with the ehrps

[tawny bane]

That was me on Council, what's a good or bad number? I'll log a key and compare it

[median tulip]

I'm trying to find a log where I played my main on HC council, sec

[tawny bane]

I can check mythic council

[ashen coral]

Oh okay thank you for the answer 🙂

[median tulip]

That's about what I needed when I was 467 with Indomitable, which is the log I found

I mean, at the end of the day, if you kill it you kill it. But you will definitely be needing more healing.

[tawny bane]

I could have done a lot more self healing, only used IV 4 times. Dunno it just seems abit OTT having it. Was thinking of dropping shockwave for the TR CD but seems abit griefy. I'll log a key a 20 and have a look

[strong forum]

20k is basically just 1 rejuv

Non-existant

[tawny bane]

Yeah it did seem very cozy

[vocal flame]

If you jump out of the swirlies as they are ending it counts as you standing in them iirc.

[earnest canyon]

Hey everyone
Is Uproar worth taking in m+? I guess the only thing you spec out for it is one handed spec?

[vocal flame]

Take a look at the pins, they have a m+ build and a push build for talents

[earnest canyon]

I know, thats not my question though

[hazy bronze]

The question answered in the pin

[earnest canyon]

Its not. Im not asking about a weekly keys and I see that people are not suggesting uproar in push keys
My question is whether uproar is worth vs one handed spec damagewise, not surviveabilitywise

Should have worded better in the first place, my bad

[uneven mason]

You always take 1h spec

[median tulip]

The description of One-Handed Weapon Specialisation is deceptive; it's actually "5% damage increase whilst wielding a one-handed weapon"; i.e. 5% overall. Now look at your overall damage output and figure if 5% less overall is worth more or less than 50% more from TRoar. (Hint: 1hWS wins)

and that's BEFORE you account for 5% Leech

[earnest canyon]

finally, thats the answer for my question
ty ❤️

[sick sentinel]

damn, i might really have to go spam 18 dht, 2trinkets (bad ones you know i love bad trinkets) and shoulders and a pretty good ring

okay 1 hand, not exactly one i want on hero track, but i'd use it if its ilvl

[empty spindle]

what trinkets for m+ are you guys running?

[ruby musk]

Anything from BT timewalking we should care about?

Oh, it's all probably normal level gear nvm.

[plush tendon]

raid trinkets are best; like a signet, heart, augury, branch

Rezans aint bad

and realistically any of the stats sticks are ok place holders

[empty spindle]

whgat about counterweight?

[plush tendon]

counterweight is meh

but like, not terrible?

[empty spindle]

i got rageheart im a dps main but got some off pieces like myth shield and heroic gholak

[ruby musk]

I wouldn't aim for it.

[plush tendon]

Rageheart is good

[empty spindle]

ive got normal signet - rageheart - rezzan - hourglass ursocs

ursine sorry

[strong forum]

Signet + rage heart

[empty spindle]

not ursocs

[strong forum]

Or signet +ursine

[plush tendon]

Id use rageheart and signet/rezans for dungeons where you cant keep signet up

[strong forum]

Both are super solid

[empty spindle]

being a fury warrior tho my gear lacks so much haste

and the counterweight gives me haste

[plush tendon]

eh, thats fine

[empty spindle]

sitting at 32% with it

[strong forum]

Yeah but counterweight sucks

[plush tendon]

youll snag some haste rings and necks as the tier goes on

thatll be plenty

just think of all the crit blocks and ~~parrys~vers?~ youll get!

[strong forum]

Fury runs vers/mast now

[empty spindle]

i sit at 27% haste now with signet on

is that awful? lol

[strong forum]

Then you just play heavy repercussion in keys

And you'll be gucci

[empty spindle]

aite bet

shouldnt be too bad

you guys dont run the stone scale?

only in the very high keys im assuming

[ruby musk]

I've seen people run it on high keys or if they don't trust their healers

[strong forum]

I've seen people run it in weekly keys

[ruby musk]

lol

[dusky canopy]

GM gamers

[strong forum]

I've also seen a tank get beaten by healer in overall dmg

(I was the healer)

[empty spindle]

how is that even possible

[ruby musk]

The healer was pressing buttons and the tank wasn't.

[dusky canopy]

Nom do big numby

[strong forum]

It was r1 log for healer dmg, which surprised me given how much I had to heal that tank

[uneven mason]

Resto shaman has some throughput tho

[dusky canopy]

Was that when you were playing dragon?

[empty spindle]

green number good number

[strong forum]

Nah was this week

On rsham

Truly horrifying

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

Also playing mistweaver, found a healer I like

[strong forum]

Healing this week is not fun

[ruby musk]

[uneven mason]

Wym just trust the DPS to handle incorp

[strong forum]

I did almost do 100k dps in EB

That felt pretty good

But healing spiteful is cringe

Very unfun

[blazing condor]

they should make the infinite augment rune just persist through death tbh

[ruby musk]

Absolutely

And line up all the buffs for the same time period

[harsh laurel]

and account bound

[strong forum]

im almost renown 14!

[blazing condor]

pog

[fleet anvil]

sup every baby prot warrior here and im just wondering at what haste point can you start maintaining 100% uptime an SB

im starting to take keys and those small gaps in which its down should i pop an external and let them build back up or is it moreso hope on slam resets with heavy reprocussion

[loud light]

what do I put in my neck sockets?

[hardy snow]

gems

[loud light]

which ones

[hardy snow]

if you dont have somewhere else the one with main stat is prio

then haste+something that you lack is usually the way to go, crit is always good option

[ashen coral]

I agree, I always forgot to reuse it so I macroed it with battle shout

[median tulip]

It varies. Assuming you run Champion's Bulwark, Enduring Defences and Heavy Repercussions, it's fairly early (~5500 Rating or so, depends on luck with Shield Slam resets). However, in many cases you want to push above that and swap HR for Into The Fray (especially on Fortified M+ runs), which is less luck dependent.

If you get to 7100 Haste Rating you're hitting the point of the second stage diminishing returns, which ius where you should be looking at more of other secondaries.

[fleet anvil]

thank you because even if its only a few seconds im really starting to feel it when block starts being down

[median tulip]

Yeah, lack of Block is... not generally a thing we do, outside of exceptionally specific circumstances

What ilvl and Haste Rating are you at?

[fleet anvil]

ilvl is 425 and haste is 20% or 2920

SB cd is 13 secs atm

[uneven mason]

Make sure you're running the right talents for block uptime, 100% has been possible since DF launched even at low haste

[fleet anvil]

so should i run into the fray until high haste?

[blazing condor]

other way around

you run HR until high haste

[median tulip]

You're still very low level. Stick with HR, run LFR and do the main storyline quests and world events in the current zone (Emerald Dream). You can and should get easily into the 440s by that method.

Don't stress overmuch about specific stat weights and arrays at your level - just get highest ilvl you can (and if possible get Tier pieces from LFR)

Maybe see if you can get people to help you with a World Tour of the Dragonflight M0 dungeons

[uneven mason]

Just start murdering keys, m0 would be a waste of time at this point

[uneven mason]

What shield do you have?

Completing the emerald dream storyline iirc gives you a enchanted wyrm crest which you can use to craft a 476 item

[sick sentinel]

that damn tree right, im cuttin it down

more DHT

wait, i can get aspects from 16s

cuz i did a 16

and now i have more aspecr

[fleet anvil]

I just got a champion lvl bancle shell buckler

which im seems is your worse sub stats but eh

went from 424 to 429

[violet flume]

aspects at 16.
hero track gear from chest at 17
myth track gear from vault at 18

[sick sentinel]

Whats a good way to group mobs when pulling packs? I was doing The Everbloom yesterday and the casters before the first boss were a bitch, because I had enough aggro so they’d attack me but I was struggling to properly group them up so I had to keep charging and leaping between each target

[lusty grotto]

if your groups kicks are bad, you can either silence them with the silence talent or just bring the melee to them

that includes your kicks

tl;dr kick them

[vocal flame]

yeah you get 12 if you time it

that is how I farm all of mine lol

[fleet anvil]

oh wow just got the 2pc and it makes a world of difference

[sick sentinel]

4pc feels way better

[cosmic wyvern]

god I didn't expect the climb from 2900 to 3k to be this bad

[fleet anvil]

im assume the 4pc reseting TC makes it smoother

[cosmic wyvern]

at 22/23 level, it's like qeueing as a dps. so many groups just decline me almost immediately

even if I have a 22 timed and the key's a 23

[sick sentinel]

thunder lord instead of show of force for normal keys now?

[cosmic wyvern]

like cmon man what do you want from me

[sick sentinel]

hmm

[cosmic wyvern]

even when I have a 22 timed on fort and I'm applying for a 22 on tyrannical it's like

"nah this guy hasn't timed a 23, decline his ass"

[cinder nova]

Keep queuing, or form your own groups.

[cosmic wyvern]

I’d run my own key but blizzard keeps giving me fucking everblooms 😔

[sick sentinel]

i have 18 boo haunted house

[cinder nova]

I feel like that's not really an issue even if you don't need EB

[sick sentinel]

those pugs tend to fall apart on witch 2 and 3

[cosmic wyvern]

Are you the real letter S? I’m a huge fan. You’re one of my top 5 favorite letters

[fleet anvil]

also is the shadow impack bucklet any good?

[cinder nova]

Nope. Actual dogshit.

Worse than any other shield of the same ilvl.

[cosmic wyvern]

If you craft anything other than 2x shadowflame patch your account will be deleted

[cinder nova]

Fun to have the recipe though.

[cosmic wyvern]

I do wish we had a bit of crafting flexibility but it’s whatever :P

[cosmic wyvern]

The vers bracers aren’t terrible I guess

[fleet anvil]

what about florishing dream helm then?

im not 100% sure how embellishments work tbh

[cinder nova]

We- what?

We don't need to have vers on our bracers.

I'm not sure who told you that.

Haste/Crit Primal Molten Wrists can be endowed with a patch.

[sick sentinel]

ill get there eventually

with those wrists

[cosmic wyvern]

I'm just giving alternatives. I know the shadowflame patch is the only "meta" option and everything else may as well be worthless but yknow

[sick sentinel]

is there paladin loot in dht? i saw 3 paladins 1 priest in tehre

maybe for 1h mace?

[cosmic wyvern]

corrupted knot yea

[sick sentinel]

What spec is that good for them on or both prot and holy for both keys and raid

[cosmic wyvern]

not sure. it's just the only thing I could think of

maybe there's a trinket paladins like?

I know prot wants Gholak tho

[sick sentinel]

complaint

when i start wow, it starts on this page for dungeon, and i would prefer it starts on "current season"

[cosmic wyvern]

I assume it defaults to dragonflight because the majority of players don't do m+

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

seems to be enough of them

[cosmic wyvern]

I think it's only like 20%

[sick sentinel]

20% of anything is still a massive number

[cinder pasture]

80% is even more massive

[sick sentinel]

1 in 5 players, is running keys that means

i'd say the average should be 30/30/30 raid/pvp/keys

but its not i imagine

[cosmic wyvern]

found a 22 fall group and lead was all friendly and stuff then booted me like "uhh yeah just saw you only have a 20 on tyrannical so fuck you"

I hate this game man

[sick sentinel]

well thats real life

[cosmic wyvern]

what's sad is I'm like the sixth highest io prot warrior on my realm

(it's moon guard so that's not an accomplishment at all)

[sick sentinel]

if you were wating on the bus, and the bus came by and the bus driver was clearly a crack head smoking crack on the bus driving it and theres reports that he's crashed the vehicle multiple times, your not going to get in the bus right

this is a huge extrapolation overblown.

i don't agree with it, but i understand it

[patent osprey]

Huh??

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160 has what you need, you can only wear 2 embelishments on your character.

Some pieces have perma embelishments: the ones you listed, lariat, unstable frostfire belt, amongst others. You cannot remove these embelishments at all, and most of them are pretty crappy for us atm. Unstable frostfire belt used to be good but since it trails behind ilvl on ilvl capped pieces, we dont go for it anymore.

There are crafted pieces you can "put an embelishment" in. Plate armor that can be slotted with an embelishment is called Primal Molten. Cloth and cloaks are called Vibrant Wildercloth. There are a few customizable embelishments around but the best for us is Shadowflame Armor Patch.

This is how you add an embelishment in a crafting order:

I apologize for using a ring as an example and not a plate piece or cloak, im camping fucking lariat on my JC atm while i work

either way the same logic applies

once a piece is "embelished", it will say this:

that one should be self explanatory, also keep in mind that for crafted items that you added an embelishment in, you can also remove it on a recraft, you cannot do this with permanently embelished items (like the ones you listed)

hopefully that clears some embelishment questions up

if not lmk

[fleet anvil]

It does but why is only the shadowflame damage option the only option

[lusty grotto]

its the biggest damage gain for us

more damage = more agro

the defensive options arent worth it

but again we dont pay your sub, so you can honestly go what you feel is better

we just recommend the ones that we benefit the most of

[azure smelt]

aggro this patch feels so lame man. so many time im in a pack hitting buttons and lose threat on something after like 3-6 gcds

[waxen frigate]

You shouldn’t be

You might be hitting the wrong buttons

If anything I’d expect you to lose threat within the first 1-3 gcds

[azure smelt]

i think it has something to do with me not being used to the regular sized claps or whatever

but threat feels like shit

rend/dw is not a replacement for immo aura/rushing jade wind

[lusty grotto]

i have no issues with agro

we can look at your logs to see what youre doing wrong

as i have no idea what your current ilvl is or weapon, i cannot say

[grim pilot]

yeah agro really shouldn't be an issue

I played with hdh that pulled 500k with aug in brh

and I didnt have aggro issues

[lusty grotto]

but if youre getting out-ilvl'd on weapons or out-ilvl'd in everything else, then it may be an issue

and of course skill usage

[grim pilot]

start of the pack might be annoying if people start dpsing but once you collect and start blasting buttons then only a taunt can steal the threat

[lusty grotto]

also i dont even have gholak

but i still dont have issues with threat

[azure smelt]

no im not undergeared or anything i just think sometimes i dont move enough to put enough dmg in mobs in the back

or when im gathering i lose sometimes too

[grim pilot]

I have had gholak since day 1

and then replaced it with hc gholak in like week 2

we had sooo many gholaks while doing weekly enchant farm

think our unh dk got x2, bdk x2, me & prot pala

and our ret

[lusty grotto]

eating in front of a starving kid

i see how it is

[grim pilot]

that's what's happening to me in arms channel...

no signet, no leggo

gotta compensate

[lusty grotto]

its fine to lose agro while youre gathering, thats not your fault

[chilly brook]

Shoulda been a signet augery gamer tbh

[grim pilot]

well, it can be your fault

[lusty grotto]

if dps are fucking idiotic enough to pop cds while youre running to pull, its on them

[chilly brook]

Just loot them 4head

[lusty grotto]

for example in EB's first pull

if dps pop cds and ham on the first 3 casters (which are usually skipped) and pull agro, thats not your fault

also is a dps loss for them

even if they dont die

[grim pilot]

who cares about augury

I just want signet

[lusty grotto]

same with TotT first 2 hallways

[queen hemlock]

say a +20 key atal dazar

[azure smelt]

not rlly totaly monkey mode like that but more so like pulling multiple packs together maybe tc doesnt hit 1 mob in a pack and revenge doesnt hit 1 mob in another and then theres like passive healer or dps aggro

[grim pilot]

when our bdk got rank 1 volc log this was his breakdown

[queen hemlock]

how many spiders can i eat on yasma with shield wall

[lusty grotto]

that shouldnt happen

[queen hemlock]

on tyraniccal

[lusty grotto]

none

dont eat spiders

[lusty grotto]

eating spiders is bad

its a bad strat

[grim pilot]

😠

[queen hemlock]

yea but when i have close to

[lusty grotto]

and it makes the arena space smaller

[chilly brook]

Brother what?

[waxen frigate]

Have you eaten your 2 annual spiders this year

[queen hemlock]

20 of them running around my dps cant dos hit

[lusty grotto]

you dont have to

[chilly brook]

Augury fucks

[grim pilot]

maybe as prot, idk

[queen hemlock]

and they dont bait then either

[grim pilot]

cba about prot

if I get a good trinket I'll use it

[lusty grotto]

well thats on them, they dont time if thats the case

[grim pilot]

if not

I can still do good damage without

I think I'm running council trinket + sandglass now

[lusty grotto]

people need to learn how to do that fucking boss, eating spiders just feeds into bad habits

[chilly brook]

Augury is like 14-16k DPS

For like every class

[waxen frigate]

Augury is also mega rng reliant

It’s not consistent

[chilly brook]

Never had it do less than 10k in a dungeon

[grim pilot]

Idk I want to get it just because so I try to roll when it drops but whatever I see in vault I just sim and take

[queen hemlock]

the fight for dps is just to stack behind/on tank to baid spiders to stack right?

[grim pilot]

remember

augury is not main stat

[queen hemlock]

well i dont see pubs bothering

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t need to be mainstat

[waxen frigate]

It’s not like it’s stamina though. Crit isn’t an insane loss vs mainstat

[chilly brook]

It does ridiculous damage

[grim pilot]

no but

[waxen frigate]

A loss sure

[grim pilot]

it's still worse than main stat

[chilly brook]

Not really?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxbMalc5TUg watch this and link it to them

[chilly brook]

The only caveat with it is it needs to do enough damage to offset not having mainstat

And it does

[grim pilot]

never said it's bad

might be bis

idk

just saying, remember it's not main stat

[lusty grotto]

so what

beacon wasnt main stat

[chilly brook]

I’m well aware it’s not main stat

It still fucks

[lusty grotto]

and a lot of other trinkets before it

[chilly brook]

I don’t run main stat trinkets in m+ even as fury

[lusty grotto]

oh we're talking about fury

🤷

[chilly brook]

Literally run double crit trinkets with augury and might

[waxen frigate]

Beacon was such an infuriatingly shit trinket

I hate that I’m gonna have to use it again

[grim pilot]

we're talking about augury in general

[chilly brook]

Just talking in general

[grim pilot]

not just for prot

[chilly brook]

Mainstat is good

But trinkets aren’t equipped for their main stat budget

[lusty grotto]

right

[grim pilot]

ember would like to talk to you

[chilly brook]

Ember is an on use effect is it not?

That gives massive main stat

[grim pilot]

ember is a stat stick

main stat and versa

and some shit silence effect that's rng

[chilly brook]

Oh that thing

That no one uses

[grim pilot]

and it's one of the highest simming trinkets for arms

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

lol

[vocal flame]

so us nubs with no cool raid trinkets what would your dps be without it? like 130k?

[waxen frigate]

It’s one of the best passive trinkets this tier for a lot of specs

[chilly brook]

I see a lot of other passive trinkets ahead of it

[waxen frigate]

Idk what spec that is

[chilly brook]

Arms

[grim pilot]

close to sandglass

[waxen frigate]

I didn’t name a specific one though

[chilly brook]

He did

[grim pilot]

and look at the difference

between augury branch sandglass and ember

barely a difference

therefore for some people it might sim higher

since u know, it's based on bis eq

[chilly brook]

I doubt it will ever sim higher than rezan

[lusty grotto]

in ST? no

[grim pilot]

probably not

but

signet brand is pretty difficult to obtain

so your 2 highest simming trinkets might be rezan + ember

[lusty grotto]

and the point of this discussion is stat sticks

just to recap

[chilly brook]

I don’t think signet brand is very difficult to obtain

[sick sentinel]

im surprised might of the ocean so low

[chilly brook]

It’s just kill smolderon

[lusty grotto]

griff

[chilly brook]

It’s not even rare loot

[grim pilot]

not rare

[lusty grotto]

i gotta side with dot on this on e

[grim pilot]

but most of the classes want it

[lusty grotto]

try pugging that shit rolling your luck

[grim pilot]

it's like essence

[chilly brook]

Don’t pug

[grim pilot]

I know a guy that farmed essence for 14 weeks straight

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

....

[grim pilot]

every fucking week heroic raid and mythic raid

[chilly brook]

Like our entire roster that wants brand essentially has brand now

[grim pilot]

that doesnt prove its not difficult to obtain

[lusty grotto]

grats

[grim pilot]

though

[lusty grotto]

you have a guild

not all of us are you

[grim pilot]

I mean I do but I've seen it drop once in 6 heroic runs

and it went to bdk

[lusty grotto]

its a non-argument

[chilly brook]

Anyone can have a guild though?

[grim pilot]

idk man you can see 10 people here rolling for it, there's also dh's and other specs that consider this trinket bis

[lusty grotto]

idk why hes on about how easy it is to get vs spammable rng dungeons

"just get a guild" "just do guild runs" "just hope it drops once a week" "just win the roll on the drop for the once a week kill"

[grim pilot]

definitely any dungeon trinket has advantage that you can spam the shit out of it

and get it either way

[chilly brook]

If you want to limit it to spammable rng dungeons, there’s still two better trinkets

[grim pilot]

I know a guy that got rezan after 50 runs

[lusty grotto]

the point was

ITS NOT EASY GETTING A SIGNET

[vocal flame]

I literally got it on my first run but it was only a veteran level haha I have since been trying to get champ one

been farming throne too for the neck but no luck so far

[waxen frigate]

Then why did I get it from my first vault on warrior

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

Mythic track gorehowl second vault

Games easy man idk what to tell you

[chilly brook]

Same why did I get it the first heroic smolderon kill

[lusty grotto]

its fine i got myth gnarl 2h on my first vault

[chilly brook]

See just loot it 4head

[waxen frigate]

Not even good weapon zzz

Not legendary or gorehowl just uninstall lil bro

You’re never gonna be him

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

[grim pilot]

same

[sick sentinel]

fury spec oh clearly

[grim pilot]

2nd AND 3rd vault

[sick sentinel]

u cant ge 2 leggo 2 hand

[waxen frigate]

That’s the gorehowl

[sick sentinel]

DUH

[waxen frigate]

If your weapon doesn’t have a proc effect you should honestly just keep yourself safe

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

[lusty grotto]

hello? 👮: yes ? i'd like to report a murder

officer, this Nish has killed me 3 times already

🚑 we're on our way

[waxen frigate]

They don’t know I murdered an Applebees waitress 2 miles down the road

I’m moving like ted bundy

[lusty grotto]

poor waitress

working on that shithole

[waxen frigate]

Well I guess she doesn’t have to worry about it now

[lusty grotto]

it was a mercy

[lusty tiger]

I actually believe Nish

[lusty grotto]

hello? 👮: yes ? i'd like to report chat assassination

[waxen frigate]

I’m already tracer

[lusty grotto]

i believe it

[lusty tiger]

Nish quit wow

He only plays lethal company with egirls

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[waxen frigate]

They thought they stopped the demon, I’m back

[sick sentinel]

hes livin the good life

[lusty tiger]

That igira dps is filthy

[warm plinth]

96 on smolderon. Actual garbage

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[waxen frigate]

Need more shitters to hurry up and kill it now that it’s nerfed

I need inflation

Moving like Joe Biden

[strong forum]

Me when trying to compete with arms warriors in m+ logs

But all the good ones aren't logging

[waxen frigate]

It’s actually a historical 95 parse and current 96

Stonks

[lusty tiger]

What a based chad

[sick sentinel]

you guys sure about pull bear with first set of trash in dht

[lusty grotto]

yes, its not fort

you dont do that in fortified week

but you do in tyrannical week

[sick sentinel]

seems like good recipe for pug destruction, even on 18 tyranical

ah

[lusty grotto]

well, i should say, you pull it in fort but its hard for pugs

[sick sentinel]

this is the route i have

[lusty grotto]

sure that works for vault keys i guess

[sick sentinel]

this is what i actually end up pulling

[strange lintel]

best weapon enchant for some extra damage as prot? or should i just go sophic ?

[warm plinth]

Pulling bear w/ pull 2 is more dangerous than with pull 1

[sick sentinel]

nobody ever kicks the 2 casters

[red otter]

What do you do cause that route he posted looks pretty standard from what Ive seen

[warm plinth]

Because you have ruiners putting healing debuffs on people

[sick sentinel]

is what happens

[lusty grotto]

yeah it is i gotta side with ghash

[lusty grotto]

wafting or sim

[warm plinth]

But yeah both those routes are fairly typical for pugs

[orchid mural]

how do u ensure the 2 casters behind the bear don't pull with the bear 1st pull?

[warm plinth]

Pull the bear back. Pull him in a little later if they're patrolled there

[sick sentinel]

yeah i can run a 18 dht no problem

[chilly brook]

just pull everything and immediately taunt the bear when in range

shouldn't have to deal with the patrol

[chilly brook]

pull bear with pull 1

gets lust on CD and available for the 2nd boss

skip pull 3

add the 2 mobs next to pull 5 with it

alternatively you add 4 and 5 together and then do those two mobs with the bears

or you skip bears entirely

[red otter]

My route I ran a 24 in. I really dont think theres much room for variety in this dungeon. Even with what you're saying it changes very few things.

[chilly brook]

assuming the mob reset thing still exists from Legion (which I haven't tested) there could be a lot more variety to the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i just have to learn the keys

[lusty grotto]

ez 100%

[chilly brook]

if the mob reset thing still exists you can skip all the dryads and the lashers

[sick sentinel]

i dont learn games just by watching them 1 time i hae to play it for a couple hours to fully understand whats going on before i can do real runs on the key

takes while to ifnd out a strategy that works consistantly some bosses

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/_dUgKarkouQ?si=OooRQTXj4mVHKy_3

assuming this still works

you can skip everything after 1st boss

that being said you'd still end up clearing the mobs next to 2nd boss and idk if it would even be worth it

[blazing condor]

my take is that it aint worth doing if the top keys dont do it

[mortal notch]

Thoughts on Leaf of Ancient Protectors for high keys?

[chilly brook]

I don't disagree but this is also ancient technology lol

[grim pilot]

honestly I feared dht a bit more

its not that bad of a key to tank

[median tulip]

Isn't that Caster loot?

[mortal notch]

It is but it is used by Plkawar on some high keys

[blazing condor]

can make sense for high tyr keys

in high enough keys ppl just get one shot through defensives

like 3rd boss in EB when she does the fire thing

[mortal notch]

Yah I’m pretty sure he’s using to prevent one shots on party members

[orchid mural]

uses it like a pally's sac

[grim pilot]

eb like

most fun key to tank

100%

[grim pilot]

3rd boss reflect fucks

[strong forum]

ive had several pwar pugs in EB this week and last week

and none of them used spellreflect for the bolts🙂

matter of fact, they used spellreflect between bolts

[grim pilot]

man we deplted on last boss

hahaha

rip

dru died on 1st intermission

and we deplted on like 5%

or 7%

[novel temple]

Which bolts?

[grim pilot]

direct spells

frost bolt

[pallid quiver]

any of them

you can reflect any of the bolts that the archmage casts at you

[grim pilot]

arcane blast

it does 700k per reflect on 24 tyra

[pallid quiver]

frostbolt, arcane blast, pyro, etc

[grim pilot]

wait im tripping

it does 1.4m per reflect on 24 tyra

[toxic pewter]

most prot warrs I encounter have no clue what they are doing seemingly, they are some of the most aloof players i encounter when I am playing dps alts

[novel temple]

I’ve been reflecting the pyro normally

[toxic pewter]

its sort of a weird phenomenon tbh

[grim pilot]

idk I either encounter really good prot wars

or real apes

[toxic pewter]

yeah the disparity is perhaps the highest of any spec

but most i have seen are pretty awful

[grim pilot]

I wouldn't say highest of any spec

but it's either pwars or bdks

in terms of tanks

[strong forum]

Was outta say, 700k would be way to fucking low

[grim pilot]

you also see either massive gigachads with balls of steel

kinda rip ngl

was pulling decent number

~ 230k augless

tho I did overpull the dungeon by accident for like 10 or 15%

[strong forum]

I've had a tank this week pull 1 pack at a time

💀

I was losing my shit

3 mob gaming

[grim pilot]

nah man I went GIGA

I was doing pulls

tank was doing in +26 I did

like this

I went slow in mages area to be safe

and someone asspulled frost mage

[strong forum]

Yeah pretty standard

[grim pilot]

I adjusted it a bit

[strong forum]

You should see the routes people do in 28/29

[grim pilot]

so we dont skip around 2nd boss area

[strong forum]

Where they quad pull behind gnarlroot

[grim pilot]

I mean

I COULD probably pull that off

only issue is collecting the mobs

[strong forum]

Need alot of kick management

And people with eyes to not get stingers

[grim pilot]

wait u can avoid stingers?

like berserkers/juggernatus?

[lusty grotto]

sure, they path

[grim pilot]

I know you can cc them while they're flying but didnt know u can avoid

[strong forum]

There's a way to do the dungeon without getting a single stinger

[lusty grotto]

and they arent linked to anything

[strong forum]

They're not linked

[grim pilot]

wdym by not linked

[lusty grotto]

linked packs

you pull one, the entire pack comes

[grim pilot]

oh

okay

[lusty grotto]

stingers arent linked

you can taunt a flower and the flower pack comes by itself

mdt is kind of accurate in linkage

[strong forum]

Stingers are on a solo mission

[lusty grotto]

if you select a mob it'll select everything its linked to

[strong forum]

So if you pull a pack, a stinger won't come automatically with it

Unless you body pull it

Or attack it

[lusty grotto]

that being said stingers arent a problem if you have poison dispels and not pulling a lot of them at once

monks, pallies, augs

or evokers

druids too

[chilly brook]

augury is...

lol

[pallid quiver]

been a bit since i've seen someone talk about how good augury is without it being their #1 DPS

and it being likke 18-20% of their DPS

[novel temple]

Augury super good. I wish I had one 😭

[waxen frigate]

@lusty tiger be roasting my chestnuts until I open fire

[chilly brook]

it's definitely good, but shouldn't be that good unless people not pressing buttons

[waxen frigate]

DH

[chilly brook]

it's an alt

like a rat alt

[waxen frigate]

My 425 hunter does more than that how rat are we talking

[chilly brook]

idk

he doesn't know what he's doing

I'm just there for crests

[pallid quiver]

That's what I keep telling people who do that while showing them logs, but they insist that it's just the damage variance in augury every time

and it's not the fact they have half the amount of casts as the people I'm showing or anything

their group's carrying them with externals etc etc

[lusty grotto]

man

idk what im doing with my life lol, pugging amirdrassil on a friday

pure fucking masochism

[pallid quiver]

just be like me and only pretend to play wow

but haven't even had a vault for the past two weeks

[lusty grotto]

trying to get my DH some gear 😢