Blossom baits decided how shitty P2 ran
#protection
cinder nova
ashen coral
I am not saying i want to stack vers, I even asked a question about stat just before, i was just answering about dr
cinder nova
If your melee can't sit still it was just miserable.
dusky canopy
After 500 pulls I felt like mythic sark was very easy to understand
Some of the team were just not figuring it out
Tbf melee had it made on sark
Range did not
dusky canopy
580 was our kill yeah
We struggled
Roster boss for 8 weeks in a row new people with us
cinder nova
Feels like you're brute forcing the odds of all the critical mechanics not landing on your least intelligent raiders
dusky canopy
Yeah there are some that don’t pay attention to mechanics at all and it fucks us big time
These tornadoes are a prime example of this
cinder nova
580 pulls, fucking hell
I thought my 120+ pulls on Mythic Hungering Destroyer in CN was cursed
It's a wonder the guild didn't implode after 300
dusky canopy
well it started too
I joined them around 300
That’s when the team started getting new faces every week
Atleast 2
Literally
cinder nova
What a rollercoaster ride. Did you get it?
cinder nova
Only through hardship do we evolve
dusky canopy
Like we literally killed it 1 pull ahead of calling it for the season because people were going to be at blizzcon the following week haha
Talk about edge of your seat
lusty grotto
im thinking of going in to recruitment again
so i might need to swap to fury as well brew
dusky canopy
Yeah recruiter brains think fury is mandatory because liquid and echo used one in the race
So you’ll have better luck applying as fury
Even though arms is fine
lusty grotto
well idk, fury seems to be pulling ahead in certain fights
so i guess i gotta relearn a spec again lol
dusky canopy
Fury is better on most fights yeah
Witch is unfortunate because arms is way cooler
I’d rather be playing that
dusky canopy
But fury has better add cleave, better burst, and better survival
It’s kinda no brainer pick this tier
dusky canopy
For prog anyway
lusty grotto
yeah sadly
cinder nova
Doesn't arms have ip
lusty grotto
i cant even think of how they could buff arms survivability without breaking them in pvp
yeah but it has a cd
and doesnt factor into AM
dusky canopy
It does have ip but its minuscule in comparison
lusty grotto
basically nerfed this patch
cinder nova
I feel like not having it work into AM was bad
I get why they did it
But like- kinda fucked em
dusky canopy
I preferred how it worked in s2
I hated it when we had it but now that it’s gone I realize it was the better option
craggy pilot
ah is he stationary on the windup?
craggy pilot
do i care about the roots or nah?
craggy pilot
It's magic, so keep that in mind.
ah so Spell Block is big on it?
craggy pilot
rip 😄
cinder nova
Just have a plan for each grab
You have SR and Def for each one to start
You can use IV between ticks to stay healthy
LS too, since it also heals in addition to the increased HP
Wall is up pretty often
And try to make sure you have Fervid up when you're grabbed if you're that paranoid
As for adds, just pick them up, don't stand in roots
Splock works on the breath, though, so having it for the key as a whole is fine since there's no shortage of trash to get value on it
And it can be an emergency button if you somehow walk into a root without Ava to break
I walk him in a circle around the room so I'm not having to be so cagey about where to leap without killing my team
lusty grotto
yes its troll
cinder nova
You only need one ele
lusty grotto
you go right in timewalking
to skip a boss, you cant do that in the key
unless your route is explicitly made to pull from right, you still need to go left to do drake boss
craggy pilot
unless your route is explicitly made to pull from right, you still need to go le...
oh you cant go right, and enter the boss room from behind?
cinder nova
Pretty sure that's a dead drop kimosabe
wind oak
Dead end
craggy pilot
yea ok, was just a dumb thought 😄
cinder nova
Yeah that's the gate you traverse to get down to the log
Which has no way back up. Right is honestly just there to let you navigate back up for whatever reason
It's useless for keys
cinder nova
It's a very low % dungeon. You also skip last pack because it's dogshit in general, but especially on Fort
craggy pilot
oh invis last pack?
cinder nova
Yeah just make sure you have enough %
craggy pilot
the % seems hella weird
cinder nova
It's doable, but not ideal. Just a lot of moving parts to a single pull
lusty grotto
unless you can gate into the drake, good luck with that lol
craggy pilot
unless you can gate into the drake, good luck with that lol
lol that would be sick
cinder nova
Don't get too strident with pathing unless you run with the same group regularly. Pugs get antsy when you deviate from their lofty "MDI player in waiting" expectations.
craggy pilot
i have this route currently, but some of the pulls felt hella weird
2nd pull i have to point the gryphs somewhere to not pull extra
3rd pull is hella far from each other, unless lucky with the patrol
7th pull needs a lot of stop n go because of the dryad and keepers
and ofc we pulled both elementals by accident
idk it might just be a getting used to the dungeon angle
frigid garnet
[Xeri'tac's Unhatched Egg Sac] >[Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart] change my mind
fair elm
Is that true tho? https://www.noxxic.com/wow/tank-rankings?metric=tmi -- Assuming this is accurate
lusty tiger
Instagram
plush tendon
Is that true tho? https://www.noxxic.com/wow/tank-rankings?metric=tmi -- Assumin...
Noxxic is not a reliable source for information
Anyone who peddles a tier list should be look at with great scrutiny
fair elm
For sure. I was just trying to get at numbers for "what tank is the sturdiest?"
TMI seems like an archaic but at least a numeric way of looking at it
contrast: Damage taken graphs tell a very skewed story in WCL
plush tendon
it highly depends on what you mean by sturdiest
do you mean the tank who takes the least amount of damage? if so, from what source?
fair elm
for sure, I understand that there is a ton of nuance to the question
basically I play with a nice casual-core guild that doesn't really care about efficacy too much. But we do have some raiders with us that get CE with other guilds. Their feedback has generally been "warrior sucks"
VDH is just better, more utility, etc.
mental scarab
plush tendon
basically I play with a nice casual-core guild that doesn't _really_ care about ...
well first off, no tanks sucks. All tanks are doing all content and are within a key level of each other
fair elm
these are my logs btw: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tc2jfrDAmXt981C4#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&view=rankings -- I don't think I'm griefing or super playing the class wrong.
plush tendon
is one more optimal for the patch.... sure? but thats the case every tier
hell, the preferred tank right now is Prot Pal, not VDH
fair elm
Yeah. I guess I'm just feeling squishy as fuck too. e.g. on Volcoross it was hard to keep me up relative to our Bear (when we were progging it)
But I think it had more to do with DBM telling me to defensive when the co-tank taunted (and not for the tank buster itself). When I sorted that it seemed smoother.
solemn current
Yeah. I guess I'm just feeling squishy as fuck too. e.g. on Volcoross it was _ha...
Judging by the log you were 447 and did not use spell block for the fight. Might have been a factor in seemingly higher damage taken. I’m just a key a tank though and don’t really prog raids these days as one so I’m not an expert.
strong forum
The tankbuster for volcoross isn't blockable
So you need to have sw for every buster
That's why you got trucked
fair elm
Judging by the log you were 447 and did not use spell block for the fight. Might...
oh you went back to the original logs? because tuesday I was 466 or whatever
solemn current
I assume the dot hurts at least when undergeared? Again I’m no expert on the matter haven’t actually gotten around to tanking the raid yet.
fair elm
So you need to have sw for every buster
Yeah -- the issue is DBM was telling me to use it as my cotank taunted. not sure why. But I assumed "oh the ramping damage is more than the hit after you taunt so DBM wants me to use it here"
strong forum
If you rely on dbm telling you what to do then yeah, that will cause issues
fair elm
yeah -- I was up to speed on the mechanics of the fight I just thought "dbm knows better and thinks the ramping DOT is more valuable to defensive"
toxic pewter
dbm telling you to use defensive because it think you gonna get hit with the incoming jaws
fair elm
i was wrong
yeah
that sorted that mostly
but even with just the magic damage after pools come out, it's a lot and I feel squishy
fair elm
Meanwhile our bear at the time just vibed
cinder nova
You feel squishy because you have much to learn
strong forum
Dunno why one would fret about being "squishy" on the 3rd boss of the tier
vocal flame
If you rely on dbm telling you what to do then yeah, that will cause issues
Is bigwigs better or just dont rely on any of them?
plush tendon
Even on Mythic, I think we spend more time on priest gripping people into the slam for lols
strong forum
That dies in 1 pull
fair elm
You feel squishy because you have much to learn
I hope that's true, because I'd rather just play better and be better than feeling like I'm gimping my raid.
plush tendon
War aint gimping anything
cinder nova
You aren't gimping your raid.
strong forum
Is bigwigs better or just dont rely on any of them?
Bigwigs doesn't tell you what to do, it just tells you when what is happening
plush tendon
especially not in heroic
cinder nova
You can CE just fine as warrior
strong forum
Dbm by default tells you what to do
cinder nova
WAIT THIS IS H??
fair elm
WAIT THIS IS H??
strong forum
Oh for heroic?
cinder nova
bro anyone class shaming in H needs to put down the glue gallon they're slamming into their face like a weapon
plush tendon
I'm 6/9M and PWarr OTP
tbf, we are all 6/9 Mythic XD
cinder nova
We're fine
cinder nova
I got removed from my guild so I could get replaced by a worse PPal
strong forum
People who think class matters in heroic need to have a real good look at themselves and stop pretending that it's a class issue
cinder nova
strong forum
Real quick
fair elm
People who think class matters in heroic need to have a real good look at themse...
it's not that it's holding us back or anything. that's not the assertion
just that we would be measurably better with different classes
(which I think it's just them trying to sweat harder than our heroic guild wants)
(certainly more than I want to)
strong forum
The worse your guild is, the more they sweat things that don't matter
Instead of just trying to play well
cinder nova
I can log dive, but won't be doing so until I get off work, which is like 7 hours from now
strong forum
Heroic is a pure mechanics game, you aren't tied to any dps checks or healing checks
Just do the mechanic
And the thing dies
fair elm
I can log dive, but won't be doing so until I get off work, which is like 7 hour...
if you think about it, but don't feel obligated! I think I'm largely playing the class right and Volc was an issue of listening to DBM blindly
hardy snow
just that we would be measurably better with different classes
if you are having currently troubles due to playing badly, you will have same problems on different class
solemn current
Prot warriors were considering dick by a lot of the community last tier it felt like but I walked into heroic and took 0 damage regardless. It got to the point where I had tanks occasionally purposefully not taunt to see what I could manage. If something seems like it hurts just figure out why that is whether it’s a mechanics issue or a defensive usage issue. Warrior ain’t the issue.
plush tendon
basically answered your question; you only gimp your raid if you dont do mechanics properly. Class means nothing
cinder nova
Sure, just shoot me a link. Trust me when I say there's always room to improve.
For example, I could be doing about 8k more DPS if I really tightened up my rotational game
And I'm already doing plenty compared to most warriors in my bracket, but there is the opportunity for growth regardless
plush tendon
Prot warriors were considering dick by a lot of the community last tier it felt ...
tbf.... experiments was a poop to do on a prot war.... but thats why we had two!
plush tendon
solemn current
tbf.... experiments was a poop to do on a prot war.... but thats why we had two!
I’m just referring to heroic. My guild at the time had 2 prot paladins that somehow made that fight way harder than it needed to be in mythic. Didn’t help that they had like 20% consecrate uptime we found out later lol.
plush tendon
thatll do it
cinder nova
All the tanks do an excellent job at the highest level of play, the problem is warrior lacks the opportunity cost of taking any other tank with more utilities.
fair elm
I’m just referring to heroic. My guild at the time had 2 prot paladins that some...
oof -- it's so important to maintain that rofl
plush tendon
basically the tell tale sign if you have a decent prot pal or a shit one.... do they stand in their golden DnD
cinder nova
I've said it before, but we need utility or A LOT more raw power to justify taking us
solemn current
thatll do it
Literally dead every pull. Blamed us healers for it lol.
cinder nova
It's easier to justify DPS if we happen to be near the top
plush tendon
honestly, lack of war utility has been a thing since classic XD
cinder nova
Harder to as tank
lusty grotto
Did you tell him to wog himself then?
cinder nova
A lot harder
plush tendon
tanks are slotted in based on what the group needs
fair elm
All the tanks do an excellent job at the highest level of play, the problem is w...
Right. For me, I'm really torn class fantasy wise between the three plat tanks.
DK lets me 2H tank which is a fucking vibe. Also fuck healers. Grips are sick.
Paladin is utility overload.
Warrior is my main forever and chunky boi.
(Which is my dilemma, because I'm feeling exceptionally not chunky in the content I've been playing. But if it's a skill issue I'm all about it. e.g. tanked a +18 Dawn of the Infinite last week and felt like I was fighting for my life on mob pulls)
strong forum
tanks are slotted in based on what the group needs
Or if your numbers are disgustingly large
plush tendon
tru
cinder nova
Just play what you want. I tell guild recruiting me I'm OTP. Take me or don't
lusty grotto
Dawn is spell block world, so skill issue
plush tendon
feel like thats been less of thing this expansion though
strong forum
Dawn is also ilvl issue
I for one feel tanking is too easy this season
Nothing hurts at all
lusty grotto
Well sure
fair elm
Dawn is spell block world, so skill issue
Yeah I definitely don't use it enough 🙃
strong forum
Hence why I switched to dps cuz I fall asleep tanking
plush tendon
yea, but now you have to play arms cause you got orange wep
solemn current
Nothing hurts except a handful of very specific instances. Even with leap tech last boss in rise scares the shit out of me because I assume My healers are never ready for what I’m about to take.
fair elm
Dawn is also ilvl issue
You think 466 is low for a +18 Dawn?
plush tendon
no?
fair elm
for sure
cinder nova
Nothing hurts except a handful of very specific instances. Even with leap tech l...
Really? In what? 24?25?
strong forum
But it's all about knowing what to use cds for
Aka triple strike/untwist
Bronze exhalation
Stuff like that
If you have those down
Nothing hurts
At all
cinder nova
It's not like it's a surprise do they not have boss timers?? 
fair elm
for sure
strong forum
Hence why I feel disgustingly tanky
Tanked wcm23 where mobs were 9x bolstered
And didn't give a flying duck
Just autopilot
And destroy the dungeon
Same in brh
plush tendon
bolstering mobs aint for the tank
plush tendon
its for the dps who get zerked on in like EB XD
solemn current
Really? In what? 24?25?
Haven’t pushed tank keys in weeks but the last one I did was a 23 tyr on the first tyran week. Granted I didn’t have leap tech at the time but even then I walk into a 22 or something and the damage from it plus the casts for the adds is probably where I’m most cautious of all dungeons. I imagine a 24/25 is probably where’d I’d feel the same now assuming I got back to pushing keys.
fair elm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pf3hKZpnt47bV6Jw#fight=8&type=damage-done
what the fuck
fair elm
rofl
strong forum
sick sentinel
i have 1 spark and 1 476 item
median tulip
Is that true tho? https://www.noxxic.com/wow/tank-rankings?metric=tmi -- Assumin...
That seems to be implying that Protection Warrior takes spikier damage than Blood DK. Which... well, "lol". Possibly even "lmao".
fair elm
That seems to be implying that Protection Warrior takes spikier damage than Bloo...
yeah, that's why I was like "uhhh??"
sick sentinel
i also have a shadowflame patch in my bags
incase i need to use that, only thing i need to buy is bars
median tulip
yeah, that's why I was like "uhhh??"
I tanked a 20 BRH and my XHRPS was zero
What more do people want, really?
fair elm
I tanked a 20 BRH and my XHRPS was zero
XHRPS?
median tulip
XHRPS?
External Healing Required Per Second. In other words, how much damage I take that isn't covered by my own healing.
fair elm
Oh interesting.
median tulip
I repeat: ZERO
fair elm
That’s wild. How do you even measure that in logs?
median tulip
Now I will grant you, BRH is not the most challenging key, and the healer was quick on the dispels. But still. Zero.
strong forum
runic night
Hey guys, is it worth still using Wafting Devotion if it takes you over the 7100 Haste on proc?
sick sentinel
yes
strong forum
it still sims 400+ dps higher for me in ST and even more in aoe
sick sentinel
i forget what the next rating is after 7100
toxic pewter
wtf is TMI on that noxxic crap
sick sentinel
but it takes alot to get there anyway
strong forum
it was an attempt at sims to create a tankiness metric
waxen frigate
Is that true tho? https://www.noxxic.com/wow/tank-rankings?metric=tmi -- Assumin...
Noxxic 💀
strong forum
but its deeply flawed
waxen frigate
What year is it man
fair elm
So this is saying you needed 19k hps?
median tulip
wtf is TMI on that noxxic crap
I clicked the FAQ and read this and then went "LOL"
toxic pewter
LOL
fair elm
Right. I follow. But the lower the number the better
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
sorry i read the name and audibly laughed for some reason
solemn current
Y’all joke but that’s old theorycrafting tech
median tulip
That's what I mean when I say "he is claiming Prot Warrior takes spikier damage than Blood DK"
waxen frigate
Y’all joke but that’s old theorycrafting tech
Don’t think it was ever “good” tech
strong forum
sure, old medicine was also a lobotomy
median tulip
Even the most rabid Blood fanboys will acknowledge that ain't true
strong forum
doesnt mean it was good medicine
solemn current
Noxxic still shit though and it’s pointless now
I mean sure but it’s the best we had at the time
fair elm
Yeah to be clear I didn’t believe it. Just the only data I found when search for damage taken. Didn’t realize we could get at it by logs.
strong forum
logs dont lie
median tulip
I feel confident in ignoring the opinion of anyone who can come up with such assinine stats
strong forum
unless theyre chinese then you should take a very close look if they look out of this world
they have a very prominent history of doctoring logs
for example speeding up the log by 200%
waxen frigate
Chinese logs are wild
strong forum
well dtps aint the full picture
you can check mythic tindral logs
and see the BDK with 400k++ dtps
waxen frigate
DTPS is a very bad number to look at
strong forum
cuz theyre solo tanking
waxen frigate
EHRPS is far more useful in most situations when looking for the same information
dusky canopy
I mean yeah, it was just for the funny
toxic pewter
so like cant some AI or something make the greatest defensive metric ever known to man like what is actually stopping this from happening
strong forum
huh
tell dtps on tindral than expected
meanwhile ehrps
xd
BDK is a real normal spec
waxen frigate
so like cant some AI or something make the greatest defensive metric ever known ...
Considering defense is not at all a static variable
median tulip
At any rate, at least as far as keys go, as long as the player behind the tank is competent it ain't going to be the choice of tank class that matters to the key success. Much more likely to brick a key with bad interrupts, dispells and purges than the tank.
toxic pewter
Considering defense is not at all a static variable
so is offense static or why is offense static and defense is not static
strong forum
so like cant some AI or something make the greatest defensive metric ever known ...
too many factors, encounter, keylevel, group, externals used, how long youre tanking
strong forum
cuz your rotation can be simulated
dusky canopy
strong forum
you can do your full rotation vs a dummy
toxic pewter
yeah but cant mob rotations be simulated toward us
strong forum
it can
but are you willing do emulate
EVERY SINGLE BOSS
EVERY SINGLE DUNGEON
EVERY SINGLE PATCH?
toxic pewter
no that why we get an AI to do it
median tulip
A fun game is to see how many stacks you can get the tankiing dummies to build to before they kill you
strong forum
someone still had to make the AI
and feed it information
thousands upon thousands of times
if not millions
toxic pewter
cant AI learn how to do it themselves tho
toxic pewter
ya is anyone doing that
toxic pewter
sounds like big stonks
dusky canopy
Our Aug standing in fire on smold apparently
strong forum
the patch is over
toxic pewter
warcraftlogs should start an AI division
waxen frigate
so is offense static or why is offense static and defense is not static
Offense is far more predictable tha defense
strong forum
to tell the AI how to drive
on 1 very specific track
it took him like 1 year to get it to break the world record
cuz he had to teach the AI every single trick there is
waxen frigate
Generally speaking offense comes down simply to target count and uptime
strong forum
in how to break, accelerate, drift, take corners
you gotta do that for every spec in the game
offensively and defensively
until you get a rough estimate
its too complex for just a few people to do it
toxic pewter
thats true
strong forum
hell just the APL
is written by 1-7 people per spec
just so that the sim knows what to press when
toxic pewter
how are the offensive 'templates' or whatever made, did people manually make them each patch and stuff
strong forum
yes
toxic pewter
really appreciate it
median tulip
Even then, the offensive templates are limited in many ways; no accounting for stops etc
toxic pewter
thank you for explaining it to me, I guess I was a bit underestimating just how large of a job that would be
strong forum
the way sims are written is its an "Action Priority List"
toxic pewter
or majorly underestimating
waxen frigate
With few exceptions, every mob you will encounter takes damage in the same way. They do not however deal damage in the same way
waxen frigate
Yep
waxen frigate
But they can be configured tbf
toxic pewter
is blizzard involved at all in simming i take it no right
waxen frigate
Not as like a regular thing no
strong forum
not in the slightest
waxen frigate
Wdym
toxic pewter
damn
dunno cuz i figure blizz could like hand data over of stuff perhaps
if they wanted
or something
i dunno
waxen frigate
It’s all community done but like it does come from blizzard’s data via logs
toxic pewter
ok gotcha
strong forum
but more often than not
toxic pewter
the lead designer guy that i remember in video interview intriducing aug works for ghostcrawler new company now lol
feel like he designed aug and gtfo out dodge
left basalt
waxen frigate
Me @ Newshie after zskarn
strong forum
just press disintegrate x20
dusky canopy
I don’t play it either lol I did the leveling quest line for the class and logged off it haven’t been on it since
waxen frigate
Aug is the biggest mistake they’ve made since I started playing by a mile imo
lusty grotto
I'm glad it was introduced
strong forum
you know what i hate about aug?
it forces me to play a more AOE centric build
cuz all aug does, is amplifiy your dmg profile
so if you have 2 prio dmg DPS
strong forum
you do very little aoe
so to make up for it
i have to play a shittier build
(atleast i feel inclined to do so)
dusky canopy
Nah it’s not just about “not liking change” it completely screws the high end side of the game because we all have to min max
lusty grotto
The aoe thing is a way bigger problem
Hyper focused trees should have never been a thing
It's not the Aug, it's the design philosophy
waxen frigate
People hate change
My guy I’m new to the game I’m not even a boomer
lusty grotto
No not really brew
waxen frigate
Aug is just fucking stupid and made it’s own niche that is mandatory
lusty grotto
It's not even mandatory anymore
oblique garnet
In high end content
No
dusky canopy
I check em and ps uptime on the Aug and I see the other warrior at full uptime and me next to 0
lusty grotto
Also it's very easy to dissuade Aug use, just do more personal totem bosses like volkaal or wcm tree
waxen frigate
Have you seen what naowh and dorki are running?
We aren’t at the peak of keys yet
lusty grotto
Oh look gotta kill some bullshit, but the Aug wasn't trapped/stunned, good luck
lusty grotto
Oh hey Aug has to evenly kill their totem, good luck with that
dusky canopy
I’m guessing, but Aug being required makes senses because the wall is living
waxen frigate
If it wasn’t just the only thing that does what it does
dusky canopy
And Aug makes living easier
waxen frigate
Just add more support Dps and it’s fine imo
But they for some reason said they aren’t doing that
dusky canopy
They have no plans for that in the works according to Morgan
oblique garnet
Aug is not that good in this season keys where you need fast target swaps
lusty grotto
What fixes Aug is simply removing its defensive support and doubling down on dps group def cds instead
waxen frigate
They have no plans for that in the works according to Morgan
Ya which is just the stupidest shit
Like braindead decision making man
lusty grotto
And with that change slightly increase their damage amps
grim pilot
Have you seen what naowh and dorki are running?
what keys
lusty grotto
Doubling down, meaning buff the shit out of them
dusky canopy
Maybe make a defense oriented support but then like why would you ever bring that unless things were very very hard to live without it
grim pilot
because sheer hp buff and versa makes a difference
dusky canopy
Witch then would make that spec required over Aug
dusky canopy
The whole support thing just isn’t for me. I’ll accept what I have to since we have no choice but I still don’t like it
waxen frigate
I’d just rather see them lean back into niches if they’re gonna go this route
lusty grotto
Aug is fine
toxic pewter
I cant see groups not taking an aug though they just too powerful for utility and defensiveness
waxen frigate
Rather than what they have been doing which is normalizing damage profiles for the most part
grim pilot
u said how aug is not mandatory in highest keys
modern gazelle
I dislike Aug for certain things but the defensiveness they bring to a key is ridiculous and will keep them meta
sick sentinel
this is accurate for tank on galakrond?
sick sentinel
it seems to hit 3 times and 3 kb's
waxen frigate
Yeah you want to soak that
sick sentinel
this is what i am saying
strong forum
group in large
sick sentinel
right, im saying due to the KB, do i do as i drew out?
strong forum
basically
sick sentinel
like i assume, if im not in the circle each 3 times it hits, it hits party for more
modern gazelle
Yes, stay in small.
grim pilot
just be bdk
toxic pewter
knock back, move forward a bit, knock back move forward a bit, knock back move forward a bit
dusky canopy
Knock knock
toxic pewter
who dare
dusky canopy
Orange
lusty grotto
DN
dusky canopy
Damnit nim
lusty tiger
Orange who
toxic pewter
somethin something banana
lusty tiger
: D
toxic pewter
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
azure smelt
How much dmg does heroic gholak do for u guys in keys?
jagged pier
its better
azure smelt
Sheeet
Wish there was just a vendor with currency. Even if it was the vault tokens or whatever
light dune
i opened the vault as arms fishing for trinkets and a 489 gorehowl dropped
made me wanna reroll
uneven mason
Damn thats lower than i thought
That's basically another trinket
lusty grotto
lol
uneven mason
i opened the vault as arms fishing for trinkets and a 489 gorehowl dropped
Why would you reroll - just swap specs and melt face
light dune
i have no good 2h weapon to swap specs
uneven mason
Many of us are living that best double life
light dune
and a 489 trinket dropped too
light dune
483* sorry
azure smelt
That's basically another trinket
Yea def rlly good. But the way it reads "400% extra dmg" made me think it was gunne be at least more than 5%
uneven mason
All I get in my vaults are boots'n'pants
uneven mason
Yea def rlly good. But the way it reads "400% extra dmg" made me think it was gu...
400% above 90%
I Mean, it chunks
light dune
had to change my shitty 470 hero track for a 483 shitty myth track ember of nullification
azure smelt
I Mean, it chunks
Yea still gunna have yo wipe in heroic pugs for hours untill i finally get it
uneven mason
may have gotten it on my AoTC kill
Because our prot paladin wasn't around to roll against me
blazing condor
man i lost it to literally one other dude
a pala healer
in a group of 20 plate melee only him and i roll and i still lose
never lucky
toxic pewter
oh that other warr that get the aug buffs and stuff
dusky canopy
Yes
livid onyx
yoo is this trinket any good or do i take socket from voult
jagged pier
no
sick sentinel
its bad
livid onyx
livid onyx
dafuq
sick sentinel
maybe it's bugged item
strong forum
No it's not bugged, but what are the chances that you interrupt a spell after you've been hit by magic dmg?
Doesn't make sense does it
It's a good trinket for dps players
But for tanks it's mediocre
light dune
yesterday i got kicked out of a smolderon hc pull like 20 seconds before killing it
i could still roll
i got 2 items :)
i just realised i won them because i opened my mail
uneven mason
what sorta scuffy fucking pugs kick people as the kills coming in hoping to "reserve loot"
sick sentinel
the food was already on there
pallid quiver
what sorta scuffy fucking pugs kick people as the kills coming in hoping to "res...
sometimes they do it because they don't like you or think you're shit, too
pallid quiver
ye
uneven mason
(if that's accurate)
pallid quiver
Their thought is that it denies you loot at all because fuck that guy
light dune
sometimes they do it because they don't like you or think you're shit, too
they kicked me because they didnt like how i was moving the boss too close to the edges
uneven mason
Their thought is that it denies you loot at all because fuck that guy
That's what I'm saying
light dune
which didnt matter at all because we killed it
uneven mason
they kicked me because they didnt like how i was moving the boss too close to th...
WHY SO EDGY
light dune
i like to live on the edge dodging swirlies
pallid quiver
should've tanked him in the center like a proper tank on that fight smh
uneven mason
I mean to be fair, Smolderon you can tank in middle as long as people are not fucking idiots with baiting pools
sick sentinel
ya fuck it, i just did boots for now
light dune
damn i just simmed the trinket and its trash
sick sentinel
i need that food buff, i can sort out proper crafts later, will be SWIMMING in sparks and crest by end of season
uneven mason
damn i just simmed the trinket and its trash
🙄
uneven mason
i need that food buff, i can sort out proper crafts later, will be SWIMMING in s...
Like Scourge McDuck
light dune
you mean the food embellishment thing
sick sentinel
i do
light dune
did you pay like 60k for that trash
light dune
jesus
uneven mason
That's right I said Scourge McDuck
sick sentinel
im already buying wow tokens rn for other shit
helmet transmogs really
oh and the augment rune
uneven mason
Bruh
light dune
mf playing wow on creative mode
sick sentinel
i love them dk helemts
sick sentinel
dude, the one dk gold helmet
light dune
😎
sick sentinel
is like, i have to have it no matter what
i fuckin wish it was 50k
10k
and guy is here u go, u can have it for running me through this key
uneven mason
I nearly bricked my Pilgrim's of Pagonia map
didn't notice that my woodcutters had gone wild and deforested everything
sick sentinel
but for me, the appearance of the helmet, matches so well with paladin theme
blazing condor
shouldnt the numbers be in the reverse order
cus like
you do a +15 youve also done a +10 and a +5
sick sentinel
yeah, mostly deep learning experience in low keys
try to see whats actually going on
west jacinth
is complete
uneven mason
because the gap between a 16 and a 20 is miniscule for a tank
light dune
deep learning indeed
it should take like 2 runs to learn a dungeon properly
but youre doing a phd on them
sick sentinel
i have no idea whats safe to pull together or where the boss resets
or good location for, the boulder dungeon
uneven mason
i have no idea whats safe to pull together or where the boss resets
You can time ak ey just going pack to pack
sick sentinel
thats all i remember about it, doom demon at end and boulder stairs /s
uneven mason
Legitimately just pressing W
Don't worry about fancy gigga pulls, 20s will time themselves
as long as you don't wipe 😄
sick sentinel
but youre doing a phd on them
im doing a phd on that overkil game, i found the secret unkillable characters now
uneven mason
im doing a phd on that overkil game, i found the secret unkillable characters no...
You're writing your thesis on a PS1 game?
sick sentinel
some of the lvls i didnt 100% and im that guy i, if its possible, i like to leave most levels 99 or 100% clear on secrets and ammo and whatever
i don't understand why i cant get the secrets for 100% compeletion and it leaves me bit empty
would like to see if its possible by brute force, or it requires special trick, or if its just bugged and unassecable
blazing condor
where do ppl even find guilds nowdays when no one does any recruting in-game
that isnt "promotion"
sick sentinel
my working theory is i have to be playing it on normal or hard is the logical jump but thats really deep in the game and i have to cheat and still play for hours to get to that point
toxic pewter
just did a waycrest where the mistweaver did 9.7k dps..
like wtf going on with that mistweaver.. arent they supposed to heal through their damage somewhat
lusty grotto
probably not fistweaving
toxic pewter
is that like a thing mistweavers do these days.. not fistweave i mean
uneven mason
yeah
toxic pewter
i see
but uhh
dam tho?
like what is their ranged damage abilities they doing if they not in melee
sick sentinel
i think they got jade lightning and ping pong ball mostly
cant remember the real name it just acts like a ping pong ball and heals and damages
lusty grotto
is that like a thing mistweavers do these days.. not fistweave i mean
no
fistweaving is the superior spec
dusky canopy
Should I give up blacksmith and go alchemy
Idr if alchemy still gets slight advantage or not
Think you can get the skill where the toxic effects are reduced right?
delicate thorn
What is better to get from the vault, a 447 Embersoul or a 444 Pip's? I mostly do RF and TW
dusky canopy
At that level of play I would pick whatever sounds cool to you and play with that
There might come a time where the min max brain will consume you so enjoy it while it hasn’t
delicate thorn
I've mained Holy Priest since Molten Core, I am immune to min max brain at this point 😄
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
My professions are 100% back burner
uneven mason
I dunno what I'm at, I think I'm 2 branches of armor smithing from cap
toxic pewter
Kinda wish could transfer specialization points between professions if you capped one
Like I have a bunch of engineering points that I’m capped on but still haven’t capped alchemy
median tulip
Smithing is so good. I have saved thousands of gold since I maxed it.
royal obsidian
just tried not resetting tree on 25 waycrest
died at 95 stacks
prob possible with blaster dps
sharp carbon
anyone tried power leveling with prot warrior ?
crisp fractal
17th Prot Warri to kill Mythic Smolderon, Rank 6...its okey for the first kill ... Nice Boss had a lot of fun. Now the pain starts 😄
royal obsidian
yeah, did reset him once on 24 after
median tulip
prob possible with blaster dps
Did you have an Aug?
vocal flame
17th Prot Warri to kill Mythic Smolderon, Rank 6...its okey for the first kill ....
Grats!
royal obsidian
Did you have an Aug?
yeah
median tulip
yeah
That could be your problems; it's one of the few bosses where an Aug can be a burden, because when he Soul Thorns a DPS there's 2/3rds chance he takes out a real DPS, leaving you with only an Aug and a DPS to free them.
broken kite
just tried not resetting tree on 25 waycrest
Def dps issue
dusky canopy
Dontcha just love that the first thought to come to mind when someone mentions failing a key is “did you have an Aug”
royal obsidian
Stopped taking pug augs for this reason, still letting guildie play it thou
soft plume
nothing better than having two garbage dps + an aug to boost their nonexistant dps
vocal flame
better than having no aug at all 😄
grizzled nova
Think you can get the skill where the toxic effects are reduced right?
honestly I don't even know what this does
it definitely does not cut the damage you take from rage flasks and withering health pots in half like the tooltip suggests
mild jolt
maybe a stupid question but... ill saw in Timewalk BC Manavault droops a ring with haste/Versa with STR and Stamina.. could be the 437 ring worth it, to get the around 500 STR and loosing on secondary stats?
mild jolt
i cant sim it, since i dont HAVE it... and the id from wowhead dosent help, since its the BC version
or atleast, i cant include it into simcraft myself
bc of lacking skills
median tulip
Go to gear compare and manually add it and set the ilvl
mild jolt
thanks, wasnt aware of that tab
median tulip
thanks, wasnt aware of that tab
I just ran it and our survey says nuh-uh
sick sentinel
i now REALLY REALLY need to complete dk heroic set and clean backpack
mild jolt
I just ran it and our survey says nuh-uh
yeha, did it also meanwhile, i also got - dps.
sad
sick sentinel
I’m playing my prot warrior and I have Slam on my bars but I don’t find myself pressing it often, if at all. So am I doing something wrong or do we not use Slam and I might as well take it off my bars?
median tulip
I’m playing my prot warrior and I have Slam on my bars but I don’t find myself p...
Remove Slam, Whirlwind and Rend from your bars
zenith horizon
tried prot for the first time today in keys
+20 everbloom
first key, 2nd boss i got one shot by the charge, group disbanded
median tulip
+20 everbloom
Boy, you liike jumping in at the deep end, dontcha?
zenith horizon
2nd key, +20 everbloom, i got one shot by the charge from 2nd boss
we tried it again
i got one shot again
gorup disbanded
KEKW
median tulip
What ilvl are you?
median tulip
You using Wall on it?
zenith horizon
no, IP+SB
but im getting hit forl ike 700k+400k in the span of a second
every chare
charge
surely i cant have wall up for every charge
restive scroll
You need to do more
zenith horizon
i gotta live through like 10 charges on the fight
if the healer is slow on the healing immediately after charge i just seem to flop
zenith horizon
oh the charge is a spell?
median tulip
OK things to know about the charge: It's Nature Damage, so Block does shit UNLESS you have Spell Block active
Spell Reflect's Damage Recuction component works on it.
Defensive Stance works
Shield Wall Works
and (personally) I run Immovable Object on Tyr weeks for EB
sick sentinel
some day ill get that helemetn
restive scroll
OK things to know about the charge: It's Nature Damage, so Block does shit UNLES...
I would only add that spell block gets two charges
median tulip
@zenith horizon So the plan (given what I wrote above) is to rotate through your cooldowns for each charge.
Make no mistake, it's a HARD fight
zenith horizon
i probably should go practice in the +18 keys
EB feels rough as a new tank
especialy on tyran
zenith horizon
archmage damange on tank isnt as high though right
its more the group thats dying
or atleast thats what ive seen from dpsing lol
tank usually sitting there at 100% hp
rest of group dead
median tulip
The thing wiith the Sol fight is it's really all on the ranged or healer to get the drag-in in the right place
But very few people understand that
restive scroll
Sol is pretty chil as a war tank, as you can reflect half of her tank damage
You have more than enough cds
She hits hard (1m3 unmitigated in 24 tyr), but that's very manageable
I personally feel the the charge is worse to manage
zenith horizon
The thing wiith the Sol fight is it's really all on the ranged or healer to get ...
doing it with 5 melee felt impossible
median tulip
She doesn't actually melee very often, so she's pretty whatever on that front
clear bear
hey absolute noob here in terms of prot but do we even use whirlwind ?
median tulip
doing it with 5 melee felt impossible
Yeah, because the drag-in is always centred on the player furtherest from her. So if you're 5 melee it'll always drag you and keep you in the centre of the ice as it closes in. If you have a good ranged they can position themselves to pull you OUT of that and it's much easier
median tulip
hey absolute noob here in terms of prot but do we even use whirlwind ?
No, remove Slam, Whirlwind and Rend from your bars
clear bear
thanks that what i thought ^^
dusky canopy
Revenge doesn’t 360
whirlwind does
median tulip
Revenge doesn’t 360
whirlwind does
If things are behind you you have OTHER problems than not hitting them with Revenge
dusky canopy
How am I supposed to apply rend if i don’t have the ability keybound
median tulip
How am I supposed to apply rend if i don’t have the ability keybound
Blood and Thunder talent applies Rend when your Thunderclap
dusky canopy
rigid badge
I would have a question about crafted gear:
Since crafted Gear has less GS than Myth Track Gear it makes sense to put Embelishment on the Slots with the lowest Stats - is their a reason to not use craftes shield? Off Hand and Cloak do have the lowest amount of Stats
median tulip
I would have a question about crafted gear:
Since crafted Gear has less GS than ...
Use Bracers and Cloak. DO NOT use Shield, you want highest ilvl for Block Value
rigid badge
hm ok makes sense to me 🤔
sick sentinel
okay i got my augment rune and 4set (janky 4set, i got the helmet)
median tulip
(Shield is an acceptable stop-gap craft if you don't yet have a Myth Track Shield, but not a long-term investment for an embellishment)
rigid badge
What about Lariat? I've seen that one of the top M+ Prot Warris is using it
median tulip
What about Lariat? I've seen that one of the top M+ Prot Warris is using it
The Lariat sims as less damage than Shadowflame patches, but it does come with a stat proc and therefore has defensive value that the Shadowflame doesn't have. As such, some really high key pushers are going with Lariat for that reason. Evaluate your need for every last iota of defence and act accordingly.
sick sentinel
my crafts aren't great, but they are functional and can be salvaged late stage season 3
median tulip
Also, bluntly: The selection of necklaces this season is pretty terrible, and because there's no PRI on Necklaces 3 ilvls lower there isn't the end of the world.
That's also partially true of Rings
rigid badge
The Lariat sims as less damage than Shadowflame patches, but it does come with a...
I was in Top 100 World of Prot Warri last Season and I plan to push as high as possible again this season, so it seem to make sense to me
sick sentinel
Also, bluntly: The selection of necklaces this season is pretty terrible, and be...
this one isnt TERRIBLE
its from the world boss
lower ilvl
median tulip
this one isnt TERRIBLE
It's not, but as a World Boss drop it's not available on Hero or Myth track
sick sentinel
yup im aware, bis for us for champion tier basically
rigid badge
There is also the one from ToT but to get it from the vault it can take some time ^^
median tulip
I was in Top 100 World of Prot Warri last Season and I plan to push as high as p...
Bear in mind there's a difference between "what's good with absolutely perfect gear in all other slots" and "what's the best craft right fkn now"
sick sentinel
throne..... toilet.... washed.....in over your head..... crab boss... squid boss
the jokes about that dungeon write it self entirely man
river kelp
So I know nothing matters while I am levelling, but in the interest of building good habits, does revenge replace slam now that I have it at level 13, or should I keep slam on my bars because it becomes relevant later?
Sorry for the silly question, I have no experience with prot warrior so I am starting fresh to get the levelling experience for learning
rigid badge
So I know nothing matters while I am levelling, but in the interest of building ...
It wont be relevant in endgame
toxic pewter
So I know nothing matters while I am levelling, but in the interest of building ...
should definitely replace slam with revenge so you can begin learning how to use it and utilize positioning correctly the more you play
river kelp
Oh I get it now, it only hits in front of you because you cant block from behind you so enemies should be there anyway
clever
toxic pewter
one of the top rules of prot warr, never have mobs behind you
river kelp
I knew about the whole 'can't block or parry behind you thing' cause I have been playing the game in general since like, tbc but I didnt put two and two together about the prot warrior style til just now, makes sense!
blazing condor
those xavius hitboxes are weird man
also is his buff in p2 a new thing or no?
i mean im guessing no but ive never felt it until i noticed it now
toxic pewter
I dunno but apparently me stacking that buff to 10 and keeping it refreshed made my healer really pissed at me
if i recall correctly he typed out the words 'i hope you get hit by a bus'
LOL
warm plinth
also is his buff in p2 a new thing or no?
No but in Legion, there was a safe spot against the wall where you could just plant and no swirls would go there
blazing condor
if i recall correctly he typed out the words 'i hope you get hit by a bus'
dont they know you need to go outside for that
idk i had no idea that buff existed until recently and up until that point ive just stood still
and it felt fine on tyr
now i know about it and i can just see my team get one shot when he gets high stacks
sick sentinel
what is the deal with the roots on the tre boss
and then it makes adds?
i have to attack the roots to stop more adds or they just come whenever the roots die and i g ues they immobilize the player too
and i assume i can probably tuant them
warm plinth
You don't attack the roots. It's completely unrealistic on any relevant key level
because you can't aoe them
You either clear the roots so they don't spawn adds, or you spawn the roots close together so you can aoe the adds down easily once they spawn.
toxic pewter
u can go in a root and then use avatar to clear it immediately and it gets rid of it
cinder pasture
Bring druids
sick sentinel
so the adds are a a sperate mechani but they swarm the group and i assume put dots on ppl
that i can handle but they cant
sick sentinel
oh, lame i was hoping for a challenge
chilly brook
….
Yogi: m+ is too difficult for the average player
Also Yogi: oh they don’t do this one thing? Huh m+ isn’t challenging enough
sick sentinel
tree bosses in video games never do anything
blazing condor
well you see
chilly brook
Oh this one does
warm plinth
That's a strange take
warm plinth
Basically every tree boss in modern WoW does plenty lol
blazing condor
tree bosses in video games never do anything
you should play elden ring and go against them damn tree avatars
warm plinth
Cathedral tree boss, DHT tree boss, AA tree boss
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Most keys in that dungeon get bricked on that boss
sick sentinel
i found out if you don't have protection ready he does fuck you
but thats just , oh, save your dr
blazing condor
have you not been reading this channel for the past 2 months or what
how can you not know this by now
chilly brook
No
blazing condor
selective reading at its finest
cinder pasture
So which one is it. Tree bosses don't do anything or they do ?
chilly brook
So which one is it. Tree bosses don't do anything or they do ?
Both
warm plinth
no guide, no video, no like, paying attention to the fight as it's happening every time hd eost he dungeon
he does the dungeon*
sick sentinel
really so thats a huge brick point in that key for many ppl
sick sentinel
well, thats good to know, i have to assume the other tyranical one is thefirs boss bear charge
warm plinth
that's why my paladin's details nickname is yogi skillz
frigid garnet
what was this panic pressing 😄
sick sentinel
i might run DHT at 17s for a while till i get bunch of aspect crets
only really first boss im worried about
atal dazar has many points of bricking on all bosses
wcm is just, long, and witches can be hard
chilly brook
What?
blazing condor
dont
chilly brook
AD is like no brick key until Yazma
sick sentinel
for me, i think its my easiest dungeon this week, if i was to go for aspect farm
no, every boss is capable of bricking in pugs if you don't clearly go over battle plan
warm plinth
same, and I've had some GIGA scuffed pulls of the other bosses
sick sentinel
i've seen way too many groups screw up troll boss and rezan
rezan, healer dies, healer qu irs
all in 3 minutes
priestess less so but can be crappy fight tyrnical gold gets loose
yazma tyranical is just hell
sick sentinel
that and heroic leaping 3 yards
the leap normally attempt to creat distance for charge, or just to get out of something
blazing condor
yes thats what the ability does
thorn rune
Do the "Armor Spikes" embellishment stack or w/e with two like other embellishments or naw?
sick sentinel
it counts towards 2
warm plinth
That's not what he's asking yogi smh
thorn rune
^
warm plinth
As far as I know, they stack like any other embellishment, but shadowflame is better
thorn rune
I was just curious
sick sentinel
i can't recall if it stacks, i can recall trying it and the damage was quite underwhelming i found
i don't even think it can critical, and its hard to modify the dmg of it
strong forum
Stacks
sick sentinel
why would you make them?
toxic pewter
somethin to do I guess
sick sentinel
im thinking maybe budget reasons or raid boss
modern gazelle
i've seen way too many groups screw up troll boss and rezan
if someone dies to rezan they should uninstall, literally tank it by water/pillars, walk across water, repeat
never bricked an AD except final boss though personally that dungeon is so free till final boss