Well except slam spam legion arms where I had to spam 2 buttons constantly
#protection
lusty karma
lusty karma
Yeah I feel that, Bladestorm feels amazing in PvP but for PvE it has never felt as great
strong forum
well duh
lusty karma
If it chunked 26+ mobs as hard as it does players it’d be great!
Also broken but I’m okay with that
echo egret
Do you try keeping Urctos on top of another boss or is it not worth the hassle because they're jumping all over the place ?
soft plume
so im still of the opinion that brutal vitality is overrated can we talk about it
echo egret
he just likes to frontal while moving
toxic pewter
fbv also sucks ass
soft plume
pressing ip = proccing tier set = insta deep wounds heal
lusty karma
Dude they should bring back Blood Frenzy as a prot self healing ability and make us a BDK/PWar combo with Colossus, enraged regen the damage away
toxic pewter
doesnt fbv effectively take healing from other sources that would of healed u anyway
lusty karma
hits pipe
strong forum
the dmg gets compounded into fervid bite
fervid bite doesnt proc fueled by violence
soft plume
it doesnt heal u when deep wounds gets eaten?
strong forum
correct
soft plume
wtf
toxic pewter
nope just from deep wounds ticks
toxic pewter
same situation with getting rage from bloodsurge
lusty karma
Even better a passive that scales damage reduction the lower our health is, call it Blood Armor, make it scale inverted to our health so 1% health =99% dr hits pipe k I’m done
Can have a damage variation as well, just make me op for a bit
strong forum
ah yes
toxic tiger
larodars charge seems to hit pretty hard, is that normal is am i fucking something up? (mythic)
strong forum
low life build
strong forum
larodars charge seems to hit pretty hard, is that normal is am i fucking somethi...
SW
you need SW for every charge
or spellblock
toxic tiger
you cant spellblock it o.o
strong forum
cant?
lusty karma
Then another talent that if you die it makes it so blood armor is on Cd for 3 mint and is a cheat death
toxic tiger
at least thats what the sheet says
lusty grotto
toxic tiger
yee okok
lusty grotto
and obv swap to dstance
toxic tiger
yee obv
lusty grotto
then swap backeroo
lusty karma
Shield wall that makes a literal shield wall you can LoS things and avoid all damage with
pallid quiver
yes stack them
I'm obligated to mention that sometimes it's important to forcefully drag bear off in to the fucking himalayas so to pray at least the ranged DPS stop single solo focusing him while he's at 15% and the other two are above 80%
pugs plz
lusty grotto
damn it nish
what the fuck are they even talking about there lmao
icebound freezing your blood jesus fuck
lusty karma
Shield Great Wall of Azeroth could be the name
lusty grotto
i dont even remember why i joined all these class discords
lusty grotto
hmm ive been a member since 2020, i was probably looking up info for someone cause my friends are fucking lazy
lusty karma
Anyone have talent ideas here or just me?
strong forum
I really don't give a fuck about next xpac rn
I was hoping for actual warrior buffs
lusty grotto
i have def mentioned the wall one all the way back in legion
strong forum
lusty karma
i have def mentioned the wall one all the way back in legion
This is how I cope, imagining insane abilities that would make us BiS
Fine I’ll settle for Gladiator stance coming back
lusty grotto
k, guess we can all cross our bingo cards
lusty karma
k, guess we can all cross our bingo cards
😞
chrome falcon
not being able to spell block larodar's charge is so fucking stupid
hate that fight
pallid quiver
I only deal with it on heroic, so the only bad part is the other tank and DPS demanding he stay stationary the entire fight for better DPS uptime
gentle whale
How do y’all deal with positioning Heroic Council? My group wants us to constantly keep Urctos stacked on Aerwynn or Pip but will lose their minds about him facing the raid for a second while we move him. Like I’m able to make the boss backpedal. 🤷♂️
torn gulch
because of his cleave you can only realistically move him during charge
otherwise you kill the raid like i did once
jagged pier
How do y’all deal with positioning Heroic Council? My group wants us to constant...
Are always jumps to the same spot on pull
U can then keep the boss there until second puashback
On second pushback u go tot he middle cause pip will be there
Then u just sort of try your best to be on one of them
But pip will always be in the middle on pushbacks
So easy to get cleave then
pallid quiver
^^^
gentle whale
Nice that’s good to know, thanks. Guess I never noticed they went to about the same area. Thought their movement was random.
uneven mason
Nice that’s good to know, thanks. Guess I never noticed they went to about the s...
Nope, it follows a pattern
uneven mason
I was hoping for actual warrior buffs
Been waiting for them to dig arms out of the dirt
Like our damage is balanced I feel around having execute always available
jagged pier
only the first are jump is the same
otherwise its like out of like 2 spots it can go
uneven mason
only the first are jump is the same
Yeah there's 3 spots iirc, but like pip can reliably be tracked, between the deer leaps because they're in the center
strong forum
Been waiting for them to dig arms out of the dirt
Yeah like, a 99 arms log with 483 ilvl + leggo is barely beating a 72 havoc with 463 ilvl
Real normal
(I'm also still pretty bad at arms)
uneven mason
It's not like arms kit is bad for the fights either
uneven mason
Even that
strong forum
Unless you play baldstorm and give up your ST dps
uneven mason
Double bladestorm
hardy snow
first kill and great drop 
uneven mason
Imagine if they let our ae hit for full st damage like.... rogues and havoc
strong forum
Finally beacon!
uneven mason
Arms still paying the pvp tax
uneven mason
Yeah feels good as long as I don't look at logs
uneven mason
Just turn off details
strong forum
I like to look at logs to see what others are doing to do more dmg than me
uneven mason
Seriously I feel that I could do more damage as prot
solemn current
Anyone got the calculations on why ITF increases my haste by almost 15% rather than 10%? I know it's not just a linear 10% additive but I can't figure out how the math be mathin in this case.
strong forum
But turns out most of it is just aoe
uneven mason
Anyone got the calculations on why ITF increases my haste by almost 15% rather t...
Math
strong forum
Multiplier
uneven mason
Haste is multiplicative
strong forum
When you're at 0% haste, you're at 100% action speed
So if you're at 30% haste.
You're at 130%
So it's 1.3*1.1
And you're at 1.43
solemn current
Ye but how does the math work on it going from 42% haste to 57% haste on the paper doll.
strong forum
1.42*1.1
uneven mason
1.42*1.1
strong forum
It's not +10%
solemn current
I'm an idiot. Thanks for reminding me of such.
strong forum
It only works with haste like that
Every other stat is additive
Haste% is multiplicative
So that every class/spec gains the same amount of effective haste
From lust
uneven mason
And so slows didn't break game math
solemn current
Yea I was just trying to figure out how to math it out on my head and my dumbass wasn't considering putting the 1.42 rather than just .42
toxic pewter
theres a avatar loop involved that is cool though
uneven mason
Yeah
toxic pewter
try to get as much avatar uptime as possible is the name of the game
thunder blast the hell out of everything
teal swift
Looks like low effort
I mean, it's just cool fantasy lul
uneven mason
But can guarantee that the bonus thunderclap damage is going to get TC nerfed
Can't let warriors
toxic pewter
have we had an avatar random proc in the past? I cant remember off hand
uneven mason
👢🍵👏
strong forum
Vision of perfection
teal swift
Yogi in ww
toxic pewter
thats right
strong forum
But it was super low proc rate
Same as this proc there is
10% chance on a 10% proc
Aka 1% proc chance
toxic pewter
hmmm but we will prob get that talent that increases lightning strikes by 15% or wahtever right
so may end up bein 30%
err
wait
is that 15% of the original 10% lmao
sinful stone
rageheart sims super high for me, but in actual dungeon runs it's only about 5% of my dmg
am i just not pressing it often enough
teal swift
Send on CD, you only save the shield for shit you actually jeed
sinful stone
okie, what % should i be getting out of it? same as augury?
teal swift
Like boss 2 DHT grips
modern gazelle
whats the route for skipping 2 bears on dht?
teal swift
You just skip them, you get enough
I'd bet 50 dimadollars
That you're not doing keys that skipping them matters
modern gazelle
i just havent had as much time to play lately my fort week is shit fixing it atm lol
teal swift
teal swift
Death skip also works
modern gazelle
nah i know that just not sure which pack to pick up instead cause some of the first area packs suck
strong forum
okie, what % should i be getting out of it? same as augury?
little bit less
lusty grotto
then unclick bears
then click something else thats easy to pull and do
if you hit 100%, youre there 🙂
strong forum
in a situation where augury does 13k dps an equal ilvl rageheart should do 10k
lusty grotto
you have 2 options
either you pull the last sentry fury
or you pull the flowers south of pull 12
and then try to subtract something else for the overpull
modern gazelle
yeah think ikma do flowers, thanks
lusty grotto
im pretty sure you can just do 5 and 6 without the extra poisoner
and flowers, and it'll add up to almost a perfect 100%
toxic pewter
just pull the sentry lol
lusty grotto
sentry fury takes too long
on high fort
cause you gotta wait for the 4 fuckers to spawn afterwards
toxic pewter
yeah they are annoying thats true
toxic pewter
those flowers are they inside a building or wat
lusty grotto
so you have to wait
toxic pewter
never see them
lusty grotto
to the side
toxic pewter
i see
lusty grotto
but honestly in low 20s sentry fury is nbd
cause the timer is so giga free on that key
as it is in any key really
toxic pewter
yeah i just pull the sentry anyway cuz some other dude in my pug will prob aggro it
lusty grotto
ive never pulled last sentry fury
ever
in any of my 3 toons lol
fury, not sentry
blazing condor
so how consistent is the new Everbloom tech where you just stand under the charge boss
and he doesnt charge
lusty grotto
no idea tbh
lusty grotto
i havent tried it yet tbh
the new tech
but its doing the rounds, no way it stays unfixed for long
blazing condor
yup
lusty grotto
people still think its the old one
so its not getting fast traction, but we will see
grizzled nova
Charge is pretty whatever now.
Your group is gonna die to rot/casts/bad pool placement before you die to charges.
lusty grotto
yea the whole point of techs like that is just to make sure melee have full uptime without having to bait out etc
not to avoid the tank damage, it tickles with spellblock or wall
modern gazelle
when did they nerf charge? i didnt see a patch for it
lusty grotto
week 3
grizzled nova
don't get me wrong it still hurts when you're starting 23+
but it isn't the limiting factor for that boss
uneven mason
It doesn't tickle thats for sure
but at least it's not instant death
without SW up
anyone know if you can just grab a specific clip from a warcraft log replay
Getting into this Mountain Thane idea
watching that paladin interview is painful "Can we make it so maybe we don't treat stamina like a secondary stat, or maybe not feel like we have to take the primary stat"
modern gazelle
ah yeah okay cause i did 23/24tyr lasta week and it def didnt tickle lo
trim bay
@modern gazelle
cosmic wyvern
anyone know of a good weakaura that tracks the party's available interrupts
I kinda want to know if I'm justified in being angry that people aren't interrupting or if I'm being stupid and some packs just have too many casts for them all to be kicked
modern gazelle
<@195367365855281153>
pretty much what i ended up doing, thank you
modern gazelle
anyone know of a good weakaura that tracks the party's available interrupts
use omni cd
i can dm you mine if you want to use it
its the bottom right where my party frames are, it shows all player cds on the left of party frame and interrupts on the right, ia lso have aoe cc bar underneath the party frames
modern gazelle
what do you guys lust on fort weeks for ad?
key is easy but i feel like iw aste lust on fort weeks
cosmic wyvern
First pull, two packs on the left
modern gazelle
i usually go left kill those 2 packs with lust then rezan then idk where to lust 2nd and final lust is sometimes up for final boss if we are slow or towards end of boss, but i feel like i could play it better
cosmic wyvern
Then on big pull before Alun’Za
warm plinth
@waxen frigate did you just apply for my everbloom
lusty grotto
apply for chipadin's throne
nish
forget ghash
🙂
ez vault key
nvm i got some brew
thats not nish
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> did you just apply for my everbloom
i had no fucking idea who you were
warm plinth
lusty grotto
waxen frigate
i was like eh this guys on my friends list maybe he'll inv my alt
warm plinth
Nish gets to see how trash I am now
hardy snow
Is it ok that fervid bite does more (or quite equal) dmg to shield slam on ST, or am I doing something bad?
torn gulch
BRH is such a free key that you can time a 24 on bolstering fort with 29 deaths and mediocre dps
can't wait to see what is possible there during a decent fort week
lusty grotto
should be 2nd to ss
in st at least
ss with outburst should have an edge
any of you chad tanks wanna WM 18 for chipadin's vault?
and/or dps too i guess
jagged pier
Nah they pretty much equal with 4p, 2pc 2pc it should be ahead
waxen frigate
@warm plinth beat the timer allegations
warm plinth
LMFAO
lusty grotto
i dont think there's anything bad you could be doing if fervid is on top on ST realistically
lol
warm plinth
@waxen frigate not even that close tbh
lusty grotto
how many of those were the zerkers
lusty grotto
wasps?
lusty grotto
good
waxen frigate
But it was just random shit
bad healer and tank mostly lmao
lusty grotto
a win is a win if by an inch or a mile, and family
warm plinth
I twas like 29 or something deaths
waxen frigate
arms warrior below warlock on healing received 
warm plinth
Shows how easy keys are this season tbh that we had that many deaths and still timed
lusty grotto
yeah :\
its kind of why i find leavers infuriating on alt vault keys
like way more than before due to the lax timers
waxen frigate
my trinket
brand
dying and not chain pulling fucks it
thats why i said my brand
before 2nd boss
i went in with 0 stacks instead of full stacks
9k dot instead of 116k dot
warm plinth
well I wasn't back yet nerd
warm plinth
Waow
strong forum
arms warrior below warlock on healing received <:critcake:984549832511344640>
why is the VDH getting healed
at all
oblique garnet
sudden grotto
why is the VDH getting healed
LR
lusty grotto
HEHEHEHEH
pallid quiver
stop talking shit about my frens
Shit did... Did I tank that?
lusty grotto
okay okay ill stop talking shit
but only if you come to chipadin's last vault key
an 18 rise
pallid quiver
Wait, no, they timed that, couldn't have been me on vdh
lusty grotto
crickets
lusty grotto
warm plinth
is chipadin prot?
warm plinth
do you want to come deeps the waycrest?
lusty grotto
nah im running the rise hehehe
warm plinth
alright
lusty grotto
but ty
pallid quiver
man i forgot about chipadin for the entire week
I haven't even booted the game in like 2 weeks
sudden grotto
i bet they were using stonescales too
yes 🙂
pallid quiver
that's a paddlin'
pallid quiver
That's a paddlin' for your group, I wager
strong forum
but fucked up on treeboss cuz i tried to heal thorns "too smart"
instead of simply spamming healing surge
i tried to pre-apply earthshield + riptide inbetween
which is not good enough
so just spam healing surge instead
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
Resto Shaman CDs feel whack to me for some reason ow
Class just feels so different from when I last touched it in MoP
lusty grotto
all i know is my rsham friend is like "I HAVE chain heal CHARGED UP" or some shit
pallid quiver
Tidal Waves I think it is iirc
pallid quiver
It makes the next chain heals nit decrease with junps and cost less iirc
lusty grotto
ig
solemn current
Nah tidal waves just reduces cast time of it. Probably talking about High Tide procs which makes it heal for a bit more and not reduce with each jump. Paired with Tidebringer stacks you’ve got a really quick chain heal that can travel pretty far for each bounce.
lusty grotto
might not even be chain heal
all i know is spirit link and tremor
😄
since vanilla
and windfury i guess
but thats just enhance now
warm plinth
@lusty grotto this could have been you
lusty grotto
chipadin doenst care about anything higher than 18
but ye
anyway i found out i still need 1 but me friends logged on
toxic pewter
some guy just said our spec is not good enough to pug a 23 and then blocked me
smdh
lusty grotto
lol
novel temple
but fucked up on treeboss cuz i tried to heal thorns "too smart"
Sort of wish there was like sounds like a spa problem
uneven mason
some guy just said our spec is not good enough to pug a 23 and then blocked me
Didn't want to tank for smooth brain metachaser anyway
toxic pewter
dude today has been really rough out here
i guess i have to run my own keys sigh
lmao
uneven mason
NGL now that I've started doing keys above 20 it's either everyone is a mad pumper and we get it done, or they can't kick fucking anything and I'm #1 on damage
toxic pewter
the DH fotmers are a really big cause of drama for me lmao
like i keep getting into arguments with them for various reasons
strong forum
A WL left his own 22 cuz he died on 2nd boss in fall and blamed the 460 dps
Despite it being perfectly timable
toxic pewter
i have seen more people leave 2nd boss of fall than perhaps any other boss so far
trim bay
all keys are so forgiving provided u dont wipe 60ish percent or lower on a boss. easily time a 25 with 20 plus deaths
or the old classic pug pop lust wipe do the boss no lust no1 dies
uneven mason
A WL left his own 22 cuz he died on 2nd boss in fall and blamed the 460 dps
Roti keys are the nastiest on fort, but as long as you're aware and hitting defensive abilities as DPS the timer is more than enough
lusty grotto
yup
toxic pewter
yeah fall is iridikron
median anchor
People tend to die A LOT in the 2nd boss area to trash, but the timer is so forgiveable as long as you stealth final tunnel that it doesn't really matter
also it's crazy to me how many people still fuck up mechanics on 2nd boss. Either people taking debuff into slow zone or healer just not dispelling at all
sick sentinel
rise isnt that bad this week
toxic pewter
rise is awful this week tbh
most difficult dungeon in the rotation if i say so
the trash in there is very punishing if group is not on their game it is gg
modern gazelle
@patent osprey whats your reasoning for disrupting shout?
pallid quiver
Nah tidal waves just reduces cast time of it. Probably talking about High Tide p...
Damn, right effect, wrong name
sick sentinel
rise is awful this week tbh
better than last week
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> whats your reasoning for disrupting shout?
Its op at helping ur survive and grouping mobs. Poor mans silence sigil. Your not losing high keys to damage, ur losing it to death
grand stratus
🙂
uneven mason
Its op at helping ur survive and grouping mobs. Poor mans silence sigil. Your no...
Plka ❤️ the interview, don't get us nerfed k
modern gazelle
Its op at helping ur survive and grouping mobs. Poor mans silence sigil. Your no...
Mind linking build?
patent osprey
haha @uneven mason Tryin gnot to 😉
modern gazelle
what do you remove for it?
uneven mason
oof sacrificing battering ram
understandable though when you're eating half a million DPS
You don't run IO for the extra SW use?
patent osprey
no. I never need it back to back, i just need more SWs over the whole key
uneven mason
IO (the avatar gives SW in class tree)
I guess with TL though you get more DS using UF
high aspen
hidden tech
grim pilot
this is what I run for high keys
why fbv? That much more value or you are just too vulnerable at certain moments that you need any extra heal
lusty grotto
because in the level of keys he does he pulls bigger
IP loses value when it gets chunked down fast due to the amount of mobs
and/or due to scaling damage
i run that exact build except i go battering ram and brut vit
but im not at his level
i just dont think its worth dropping battering ram at the very least
but the other change is solid for any huge ass pulls
novel temple
Fbv is a champ
uneven mason
hidden tech
wtf was that Guardian druid doing? Licking windows?
novel temple
But I agree on dropping bloodsurge over battering ram
Though I’m also not doing stuff over 20 yet
uneven mason
I don't think you could move that point to the 3rd tier...but I shut the game down and am too lazy to reopen it 😄
novel temple
You can move a point back down to the bottom
high aspen
wtf was that Guardian druid doing? Licking windows?
still timed it LMAO
novel temple
There’s only 9 on the bottom
high aspen
almost +2 wcm 20
4 tank and a lust bot
the mage straight up left the dungeon and only would reenter to lust after like the first 8 mins of him constantly dying
novel temple
Nice
opaque quest
I haven't even booted the game in like 2 weeks
I dont even have it installed anymore. 1 upped you
soft plume
are warriors actually s tier?
flint tiger
is shield of the hearth worth crafting for prot wars?
soft plume
i think warriors want two shadowflame for embellishments
idk what that shield is so im going to assume no
light dune
the trash in there is very punishing if group is not on their game it is gg
I timed a 20 with 1 minute left and we died like 25 times and the healer wasted a fuckton of time dying and releasing instead of waiting for portals to open
Rise is definitely harder than fall but still very forgiving
pallid quiver
is shield of the hearth worth crafting for prot wars?
High ilvl shields should be fairly easy to get this season, with good stats even, and ilvl is the single most important stat on shields, so no
If you need to catchup your shield at this point, though, there should be enough sparks that you can spare one
broken kite
Its op at helping ur survive and grouping mobs. Poor mans silence sigil. Your no...
Amen idk why more people aren't running aoe kick
chilly brook
pale karma
Disrupting Shout? I like it personally. It’s a bit situational still.
jagged pier
is shield of the hearth worth crafting for prot wars?
No.
lost wyvern
what u guys think about cataclysm signet brand trinket from smolderon in m+? i feel like it takes ages to ramp up the stacks and if you ever lose them it turns into dogshit
i got these, all hero track
lost wyvern
rezans and ember
opaque quest
There is your answer on what to use
jagged pier
Nah theres no way ember put sims signet
Literally no way
U should just run signet and rezans
opaque quest
Are virtual cats allowed? Look at my amgery hemdgehog
lost wyvern
Literally no way
pallid quiver
Nah theres no way ember put sims signet
bold of you to say this without actually mentioning time cutoffs for signet to actually stack
pallid quiver
That being said
You have to do a pretty long term sim to get the general idea of what signet gives you, since it takes like 5 minutes to fully get roaring.
but after that, it's a fuck-bustingly good trink
lost wyvern
yeah but what if someone dies and has to run back from checkpoint and you lose stacks mid run
pallid quiver
keep going without them, tbh, they can make their way back
lost wyvern
or healer has to drink from <10% mana before a boss
pallid quiver
also, just don't lose stacks; it's like the thing of the trinket.
On top of that-
just pull boss, he'll be fine
or rather he won't because he shouldn't be that low but
lost wyvern
i only pug keys, its not practical
pallid quiver
-even if it drops stacks, you can just, like, stack them again
I only pug keys, too, and I'd kill someone for a signet
i mean i'd kill someone for like 2k gold, but still
jagged pier
why do ppl think u need to wait for the healer to have 100% mana
the moment they sit down
u can pull
pallid quiver
because pug healers will usually panic and stop drinking
It's also because pug healers don't understand how damage works
The last one is because most tanks don't press any defensive buttons whatsoever
so healers need to transplant their mana bars directly into the tank
pallid quiver
I wouldn't lose my stacks if I had a signet
except on WCM, because I have to keep resetting witches because they're too powerful on tyr, literally impossible to heal through on a... checks notes +20
I still haven't cleared WCM on Tyr at all because I've never gotten past witches
jagged pier
🤔
pallid quiver
I keep thinking I should just solo them, but then I also think about damn, that's a lot of time to spend on then having to drag this group through the rest of the dungeon
opaque quest
because pug healers will usually panic and stop drinking
It's also because pug ...
They will also complain "wHy Do YoU nOt WaIt"
novel temple
Idk why healers think they have mana issues
Though I’ve only played mistweaver and prevoker* at max level
If anything, I try to do my best not to spam heals to top people off on prevoker and then on mistweaver it’s healing and dpsing together
crystal current
https://www.wowhead.com/item=130214/worn-doll The secret tech to keep stacks rolling
tribal cave
hasty palm
Hello as protection in aoe situation with 4 part for output damage, do you spam revenge and thunder or you keep using shieldbash when he reset?
karmic plinth
realistically you always want to be shield slamming in aoe still
hasty palm
So solotarget or multi, we always put the priority to thunder and shield slam ?
echo egret
Can someone remind me why ITF becomes better at 7100 haste ?
lost wyvern
Can someone remind me why ITF becomes better at 7100 haste ?
the haste from the talent is not affected by diminishing returns
echo egret
👍
blazing condor
ITF is % haste and not haste rating
meaning the higher the better
also 7.1k haste is not where ITF becomes good that happens way earlier at around 5.4k
rapid jewel
Mountain Thane TC:
Does damage
Slows
Applys Rend
Chance of Doing extra Damage
Can give you 2 Shield slams
Can reset Shield slam
Reduces CD of Ravager
Can proc avatar
Can turn Into Thunderblast
Thunderblast reduces Damage Taken.
a bit overkill 🙂
round pendant
sounds fun
blazing condor
god i love pressing thunderclap i hope we get to do it for 3 more expansions
round pendant
At least it's better than Revenge
round pendant
exactly
sick sentinel
revenge imo should beit procs and then once in melee range it goes off at the target that did dmg to you and others near by
rapid jewel
back in the old days it generated rage and hit like a truck
blazing condor
well thats because revenge is ass rn
because our dps isnt centered around it
its just more fun to play a class where the reward for playing well and generating rage is more dps instead of just no-braining every rage generator you have whenever its off cd
and have that be your primary damage
novel temple
Make revenge and execute oGCDs
round pendant
revenge could hit 300k per press and it'll still feel shit
because it has literally zero oomph behind it
no nice sounds or visuals
feels like I didn't press anything half the time
round pendant
nop
novel temple
It does have an animation and sound effect
round pendant
And they're unimpactful
novel temple
I guess
uneven mason
It's certainly not thunderclap
and SS is like hitting someone with a firedoor
very satisfying
echo egret
What do you exactly need to trigger the portals in Rise ?
I read "kill the dragonkin mages" but that wasn't enough
strong forum
Clear the mobs patrolling behind it aswell
blazing condor
you dont need to kill everything but yeah clear aruond the portals
i once had left to kill one of the bigger mobs that does the frontal breath
that was chillin around the first portal to the right
echo egret
tbh I hate that part where every pug yells that it's not the correct route
Some want to go back, some want to move forward
blazing condor
tbh idk if its smarter to BL morchie or battlefield
aka which side is better to go first
echo egret
I see on Plka's route that he doesn't kill all the mages ?
strong forum
Battlefield is what you wanna lust
Morchie is a target dummy
And has like 0hp
You wanna lust so that you have lust back for last boss
blazing condor
i usually have that in the few rise ive done
but battlefield is a bigger time loss to not have bl on for sure
warm plinth
And much scarier than morchie
sick sentinel
Regarding shield block. Do you let it runt out or refresh when 2-3 seconds remain? Currently unsure how to keep optimal uptime in M+
warm plinth
It stacks up to 3x duration so as long as you're not wasting uptime during travel you're fine
uneven mason
Regarding shield block. Do you let it runt out or refresh when 2-3 seconds remai...
Don't let it fall, that's a good way to get chunked
novel temple
I still suck at navigating that room in both fall and rise
I literally don’t know what causes the shit to spawn
sick sentinel
I still suck at navigating that room in both fall and rise
some days i can do it, some days i cant
its like being abel to actually go fast in a sonic game
some ppl can do it ez, i cant 90% of tmes
lusty grotto
and you have to clear the patrolling anomalies as well (there should be 2)
grizzled nova
Regarding shield block. Do you let it runt out or refresh when 2-3 seconds remai...
It's effectively impossible to 'waste' sb uptime as the cap is 3x it's duration, and you can't get to haste values for prolonged periods of time where a shield charge would cause another use to epidemic, if that's what you're worried about.
Just don't sit at max charges for any amount of time.
sick sentinel
im just glad bolster is going away for a while
grizzled nova
And try not to use it in the trailing seconds of a pull or it may complicate the next pulls with travel time.
sick sentinel
bolster is still nasty
lusty grotto
4 mages, 2 anomalies
thats it
and you clear just enough to make sure you have a path to one of the portals
aside from those
depending on your route, depending on what you do first
coming back to the room is a time loss
my vault route is clear to battlefield, do bf, skip eels, go mid platform, into morchie portal, kill mechagnome trash, do morchie and come back into mid platform
but its entirely possible to do morchie first, and then just invis pot/shroud from battlefield into mid platform etc
even warlock portal
sick sentinel
it's stupid until it gets you an ac130
grizzled nova
my vault route is clear to battlefield, do bf, skip eels, go mid platform, into ...
mechagnome dracthyr can even be skipped without pots if you're willing to burn a few seconds waiting for it to pat to the left portal
or have a mind soothe
lusty grotto
yeah those are pretty easy to skip
its good if you do entire tyr plat, but i dont
at least in vault keys
uneven mason
its good if you do entire tyr plat, but i dont
Every time I've skipped the 2 far packs on tyr I end up having a DPS plow into them during orbs
lost wyvern
Regarding shield block. Do you let it runt out or refresh when 2-3 seconds remai...
i macro shield block to my shield slam, every single dungeon my block uptime is 98-100%
lusty grotto
you shouldnt do that
lost wyvern
been working fine for 23s, so i dont care
lost wyvern
yeah, its really a massive deal breaker
lusty grotto
k
lost wyvern
i have a non-macroed shield slam keybound as well for when i have to deal with pure magic dmg
lusty grotto
Every time I've skipped the 2 far packs on tyr I end up having a DPS plow into t...
pugs be pugs
uneven mason
Indeed
novel temple
some days i can do it, some days i cant
For real, I’m half tempted to just give away invis pots for the corridor after blight in fall and for some other parts
Cause people suck at not pulling stuff in rise going to morchie and battlefield
novel temple
im just glad bolster is going away for a while
They should tie everything back into AM. Why should allies have better CDR than us?
sick sentinel
bolstering affix i should say not talent
cuz today is affixes change
im bad about that, but its also bad conscidence we have talent shares the naem
sick sentinel
both of those affixes make adds dont they
might be bad on some heavy add fight boss
sick sentinel
nope, but its more for the healer mostly to juggle
torn gulch
incorp is not a healer affix
sick sentinel
i think incorp is the friendly beings, i cant remember all that well
torn gulch
you just need to have the right type of cc
sick sentinel
im also glad the grab vine is gone too
that shit was getting annoying
incorp is a blue magic affix basically, using CC on them so they don't ever do anything over and over to beat the fight, is what i meant by healer, cuz you cant really solve it by dps numbers.
novel temple
bolstering affix i should say not talent
Oof. Though for this week, just gotta hope and pray for people to cc the adds
novel temple
Or can we actually handle incorp well?
torn gulch
no we cannot
sick sentinel
spiteful is easy as hell for us
novel temple
Ok, so there’s not some tech involving stormbolt, intim shout, and disrupting shout
lusty grotto
yeah the tech is let others handle it
torn gulch
well it is what it is
lusty grotto
not your problem
sick sentinel
then again, spiteful is, if dps just sit there and takes the ghost
tehres not a whole lot you can do to save them
novel temple
Spiteful is the adds coming up and we dps them down, right?
hazy bronze
Dead mobs spawn ghosties
torn gulch
because they kill themselves
sick sentinel
yup, just pad on the ghosts TBH
hazy bronze
Funnel*
novel temple
Oh, I thought I saw a video where a tank was just sitting in there still
torn gulch
even if it targets me they don't even tickle
uneven mason
They're nice rage sources, thunderclap and move on
Incorp though ugh
I dislike incorp because it's another "warriors can't do this well"
We have "3" ways to deal with it and none of them are great compared to legitimate every other tank
lusty grotto
soon
uneven mason
45minutes until disappointment
lusty grotto
yeah but at least my alts get giga lucky
uneven mason
Thinking of opening as prot since I have fryak in there and I want his trinket
sick sentinel
COME ON NOT 3 FUCKIN SHIELDS
uneven mason
The absorb is something sexy on my dk
sick sentinel
or like some bullshit
that i totally dont want
actually, 3 shields would be great
uneven mason
But will probably do arms, need a myth weapon still
Set for prot weapon until I get mythic fryguy
devout star
I have a 20 rise in my vault I’m looting as arms for a chance at gorehowl
sick sentinel
im gunna be so mad if my vault is myth
devout star
you get loot from all dungeons
I swear you used to get loot from the dungeons you did
blazing condor
did a 19 BRH yesterday and we had a shit healer who would die and left before 2nd boss
but we just completed it anyway
but he got the loot and we got dropped nothing
which is weird cus i thought youd get 2 pieces for getting it in time
sick sentinel
you fed the healer
vocal flame
which is weird cus i thought youd get 2 pieces for getting it in time
I have seen two pieces for not making the timer.
uneven mason
leavers this season
Yeah idk wtf is up with people leaving time able keys
vocal flame
@sick sentinel How we doing on clips?
lusty grotto
theyre used to previous seasons i guess
but even then leaving is dumb
vault keys are vault keys
sick sentinel
leavers this season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKXCf2dAEEU leavers you say? always were
people have been bitching about people leaving the game since the days of ancient duels to the death and chess
lusty grotto
and they should
ashen coral
I saw the 5 first prot warrior swapping battering ram for disrupting shout, do you think it is worth it ?
sick sentinel
that cartoon is pretty dated today and edgy
lusty grotto
I saw the 5 first prot warrior swapping battering ram for disrupting shout, do y...
no
swap bloodsurge instead
its 2 rage gen picks
it depends on which benefits the most, but BRam should be more rage on average
dusky canopy
Drop rage gen talent to cc every 2 minutes?
lusty grotto
i drop bloodsurge
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
its fine
lusty grotto
wait did reset happen? i thought it was in 11 mins
lost wyvern
obviously trinket
lusty grotto
oh wait no maintenance today
sick sentinel
it did say it would be down for 1 hour on the game
toxic pewter
it was down for like 35ish minutes
dusky canopy
tender carbon
hi, quick question, i just resubbed 5 days ago, do i swap to the new talents with 2p+2p? or still run last set of talents until 4p? TIA!!
hollow trellis
Is there any good youtube guide you guys would recommend? Prefer that over text guides
uneven mason
uneven mason
reeeee
wanton mantle
tough choice, i don't have the chest tier, and grabbing it would get me into 2/4, but that's fyrakk axe, wich is also bis, and it has speed as third stat. hmm
lusty grotto
get gholak
blazing condor
you can always redo LFR before you pick
wanton mantle
true, might as well do my weekly lfr run before chosing
blazing condor
but gholak is probably what youll pick
but hey if you get it from fyrakk
then all the better
lusty grotto
brittle ember
<#268491842637660160>
well, no, i know that i'm just a returning player
lusty grotto
the embelishes are there
brittle ember
i don't know if you mean the purple embellished items or another crafted item with optional embellishment
lusty grotto
read
brittle ember
oh
blazing condor
you get 2x shadowflame
brittle ember
oh.
blazing condor
and put on cloak/bracers
blazing condor
you put 2x shadowflame on cloak/bracers because they have the lowest stat budget and you do this because crafted items only go to 486 instead of the max 489 you can get
brittle ember
read <#268491842637660160>
this is the most i can see regarding that
this time i don't think i'm tripping
blazing condor
brittle ember
i meant what cloak/braces
blazing condor
primal molten
brittle ember
👍
blazing condor
not the ones with effects cus they alreayd have embellishments
or whatever
just normal plain ones
final mist
If they're Shadowflame Patch embellishments, then they have to be on Primal Molten X/Y
lusty grotto
well yeah you cant put embelishes on embelished items, but i guess it should be clearer on the faq for people that dont know
ashen coral
it depends on which benefits the most, but BRam should be more rage on average
Doesn’t it depend on number of opponents ? But anyway I tested disrupting shout but i don’t really like it actually
final mist
I think the cloak is called something different actually but still
lusty grotto
vibrant wildercloth
final mist
Yeah that
blazing condor
cloak is called Vibrant Wildercloth Shawl
blazing condor
yup
dusky canopy
You do not need disrupting shout when you have an Aug/Havoc/Demo in the group they do the CC
brittle ember
i should also probably get my substats fitted there too
blazing condor
you gotta get the crest you want, have it enchanted by an enchanter
get all the missives and shit
then crafting order
brittle ember
godddddd
i'm a blacksmith/enchanter too but i do not have that power
well but.
i could maybe recraft it later. hm
nah i might as well go all out
modern gazelle
You do not need disrupting shout when you have an Aug/Havoc/Demo in the group th...
I mean it’s still good
dusky canopy
Sure it’s good every 2 minutes
echo egret
What can I do to alleviate damage from Deios adds ? Besides useing cooldowns I'm saving for the breath
lusty grotto
chipadin got myth weap, zu got myth helm, chip gets myth legs
spell block and reflect
spell block especially since it doesnt do shit against the breath
rocky kraken
489 helm for the enchant is prob better then a 489 weapon from vault im guessing
lusty grotto
but if youve been leaping the breath you should have more cds available
sick sentinel
i desperately need a hero shoulder or chest
lusty grotto
489 helm for the enchant is prob better then a 489 weapon from vault im guessing
depends on the weapon
rocky kraken
rocky kraken
nope
lusty grotto
pick weapon then
lusty grotto
are you a raider or key guy or both?
rocky kraken
mostly M+ but ill be doing heroic this week
lusty grotto
so WM axe isnt as good as that weapon for aoe
but
considering the number of 1handers this season
you might get a myth weapon again
it depends
rocky kraken
ik the helm enchant scales with ilvl but is it that much from 483 to 489
lusty grotto
helm is the easier choice
weary saddle
how is this for pwar?
lusty grotto
bad
weary saddle
o well...i was hoping the haste would be good, but i guess its ramp is slow
weary saddle
okok
toxic cloak
Servers up?
blazing condor
toxic cloak
knotty vortex
not sure what to craft or should i save
hollow hill
I've got Hero level boots and rings already so it's like a <1% upgrade for all of them. 44% haste unbuffed without ITF so thinking about taking the ring even though it's got a ton of mastery. Not sure though. Any advice?
lusty grotto
boots are more stats
hollow hill
U should make neck and rings
I thought best crafted gear was cloak and bracers?
hollow hill
Oh gotcha
jagged pier
knotty vortex
U should make neck and rings
if im 7100 haste then im guessing crit will be the go to instead of verse
jagged pier
I mean sure but is that with itf stacks? Without hard to tell or just sim if u are there
knotty vortex
haste has nothing to do with whether you pick crit or vers
i get that but if i dont go verse on the enchants it left me thinking haste or crit but if my rating is at the 2nd dimensioning returns. just leaves me with crit thats why i was assuming enchanting crit.
jagged pier
Sims is your answer
lusty grotto
yup
uneven mason
Let computer think
uneven mason
Computer think, press w
brittle ember
you gotta get the crest you want, have it enchanted by an enchanter
can i upgrade the crest later on or do i need the crest right then and there
lusty grotto
so if you have even 1 stack of ITF active, you dont have 7100
uneven mason
its 7100 rating unbuffed
What's your source
jagged pier
Orange man
lusty grotto
can i upgrade the crest later on or do i need the crest right then and there
yes you can
blazing condor
can i upgrade the crest later on or do i need the crest right then and there
you can recraft your gear and put in a better crest
brittle ember
ok phew. it won't take another spark right?
lusty grotto
no
uneven mason
Nope spark stays
brittle ember
ok good. i'll get on that
blazing condor
any flavor pockets
jagged pier
🙏
blazing condor
in the chat
uneven mason
Omnomnom
blazing condor
think of all the money we'll save on food
uneven mason
Neck was my 2nd craft
jagged pier
Monka
blazing condor
flavor pocket expensive though god damn
jagged pier
No double shadowflame
blazing condor
rather just farm community feasts lol
jagged pier
How much?
cunning oar
Sorry to butt in -- are people using spell reflect on Foul Bolt in Throne of the Tides? Jump back, reflect a cast of Foul Bolt, then charge back in?
blazing condor
60k according to wowhead
blazing condor
Sorry to butt in -- are people using spell reflect on Foul Bolt in Throne of the...
yes
jagged pier
Used to be 100s of thousands kekw thats cheap
lusty grotto
blazing condor
its hella damage
cunning oar
its hella damage
Awesome, thanks so much!
lusty grotto
especially in tyrannical
cunning oar
Very nice!! I gotta say, learning how to spell reflect properly makes prot warrior really fun.
blazing condor
spell reflect is like the one cool ability we get to play around with
brittle ember
you can recraft your gear and put in a better crest
ok sorry followup re:crest so i need the spark and the crest but how do those play with eachother when it comes to the resulting ilvl
blazing condor
the spark is just so you can craft any item from this seasons whelpling-aspect crest
and the crest determines what ilvl you can max get when you craft the item
pallid quiver
^^^
blazing condor
for example a wyrm crest lets you craft up to 476ilvl whereas an aspect crest lets you go 486
brittle ember
ok
pallid quiver
it also technically sets the minimum ilvl it can craft at, but
there's minimal reason to not just, like, get the max ilvl from the crest
jagged pier
How do u get 4 sparks this week btw? @lusty grotto
blazing condor
step 1: be NA
lusty grotto
ye
lusty grotto
that
blazing condor
spark 4
jagged pier
Hmmm ok
strong forum
Tyr week = spark
Fort week = Cata charge
jagged pier
Brain is less confused
lusty grotto
it be like that sometimes
hollow hill
use item restore?
blazing condor
think i mightve DE'd it
strong forum
its not like crafting ring/neck is expensive
uneven mason
man i shouldve kept my ring from s2 and just recrafted it
That's why I'm still using my neck
blazing condor
its not like crafting ring/neck is expensive
many rivers form a great ocean
lusty grotto
DE doesnt matter, you can still restore
uneven mason
think i mightve DE'd it
Item restore