#protection
strong forum
also the only reason why i get r1 logs
grim pilot
brh 21
grim pilot
so that's effectively like
13% his dam increase
so probably closer to 8-10% of mine
lost wyvern
why does the legendary have to cost thousands of gold zzzzzzz
grim pilot
yeah the lower the dot does I think the player just plays better
sure the rng factor kicks in but
yeah
grim pilot
just juggin
strong forum
but i still suck either way
aintnoway i should lose to others who dont have the leggo
with legendary doing so much
grim pilot
meh key % logs are kekw
lost wyvern
the nerf to the DHT bats is huge, can actually be tanked now
grim pilot
your dps depends on you, rng, your tank, your healer, your other dps
no but some people dont
grim pilot
your dps depends on you, rng, your tank, your healer, your other dps
even your aug
grim pilot
man I swear some people NEED aug in 23's
so I jsut take it
I was doing 26 last fortified without aug
strong forum
we're bdk ret arms surv and disc
grim pilot
26 eb actually
strong forum
grim pilot
and shit was timed
till tank aimed the frontal at the group on last boss
we actually had goated healer
velo
grim pilot
yeah ad is so free
grim pilot
I depleted my eb 26 yday and I need to get like fall 26 into brh 27 into ad 28
that stuff feels so timeable
grim pilot
healer issue 100%
that boss is just press def on 1st bolt and then have healer sort it out later
strong forum
that boss is p1 check
and then p2 pure healer/defensives check
p1 is scarier than p2
p2 is just maintenance hps + healing the swarm target
"just"
restive scroll
you aggroed the pattrol, the patrol aggroed middle pack
that's why you los that pull
toxic pewter
getting into the key range now where I am not getting invited feelsbadman
sick sentinel
was it me or another player, either way, my next attempt i'd pull them to the stairs
just didnt play it right
crystal mauve
was it me or another player, either way, my next attempt i'd pull them to the st...
Since you are the one able to pull them back it would be your fault I guess. Don’t trust anybody in pug 🙃
charred ivy
would it in any case be worth skip Yhunderous roar +thunderous words. and go into Shockwave + rumbling earth + sonic boom? (M+)
cerulean tusk
Not this tier for sure for sure, tierset is synergistic with roar
charred ivy
i guessed. seen a prot warrior run it and got intigued xD
charred ivy
seems fun ye. shockwave seemed to make a bunch of dmg also like this
cerulean tusk
Sure... it will be bigger on your overall at least, that is for sure, sure.
toxic pewter
yeah but then it will prob be on cooldown when you need to stun something
charred ivy
like 25 s cd so
cerulean tusk
If ya enjoy it, noone going to stop you. Clap and slap away 
jagged pier
would it in any case be worth skip Yhunderous roar +thunderous words. and go int...
never
its less damage
and u DR mobs faster
it has always been the case
even without this new tierset
toxic pewter
just got turned down for a waycrest manor.. lol fools...
charred ivy
xD
dusty raven
hey fellas need a help, wich trinket i level up to 483 to use with Prophetic Stonescales?
uneven mason
but defensively ursine is obvious
burst damage Branch is hard to beat
gore-crusted makes a nice bit of gold when you vendor it
hardy snow
how useless is mastery
depends how much you have it
hardy snow
there is no stat thats always good or always shit
jagged pier
@warm plinth
uneven mason
how useless is mastery
It's very good, SIM if you're comparing two equal ilvl pieces
uneven mason
wafting is the way
sick sentinel
i mean stats are irrelevant up to like 26s or someshit and i dont plan tanking those keys anyway
and at most u might need a bit more vers at those keys
charred ivy
ursine is decent dps for keys?
chilly brook
hey fellas need a help, wich trinket i level up to 483 to use with Prophetic Sto...
Get rid is scales and run butchers block and branch
Ez clap
chilly brook
how useless is mastery
All stats are “good” as prot
pallid quiver
i mean stats are irrelevant up to like 26s or someshit and i dont plan tanking t...
They're even more irrelevant then because they won't cover the increase between key levels
sick sentinel
big poopy
its basically like bait
im 1925 now
could get 2k in 36hrs or less if i really wanted
ashen coral
ik its good into physical
It increases attack power so more dps and more ignore pain
The "useless" part is the one with chances of block since you have shield block but it is still ok for the small moment when you don't have shield block up
sick sentinel
hollow sun
im 1925 now
plush nymph
Does anyone have suggestions for trinkets outside of raid ❤️
twilit bramble
Is a LFR rageheart worth it over an heroic Branch?
left basalt
could get 2k in 36hrs or less if i really wanted
You could get 2k in 30 minutes if you stopped gaslighting yourself
blazing condor
Does anyone have suggestions for trinkets outside of raid ❤️
Accelerating sandglass, rezans eye, prophetic stonescales, gore-crusted butchers block
jagged pier
honestly the normal trinkets from raid are like better than most of those at 489 tho
soft plume
@patent osprey do u wait for the nightmare breath to be casting before heroic leaping or do u heroic leap right before it starts casting sometimes
(tree boss in dht)
blazing condor
Not señor pika but i personally wait for the cast
But i look at dbm to see when it ”should” be casting, and kinda pre-line the camera angle to make it easier
soft plume
yeah i do that too and its kind of a headache having to like turn my camera backwards to leap away its honestly just an annoying mechanic to deal with
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> do u wait for the nightmare breath to be casting before he...
I look at the dbm timer and start moving a bit at 0.5 s and then leap when cast starts
sick sentinel
SPORES
silent vessel
nice 78 gold
sick sentinel
nah, it has haste so im keeping it for a while, also its a trinket
sly shadow
round pendant
sim it
torn gulch
Is a LFR rageheart worth it over an heroic Branch?
i have a full upgraded lfr rageheart and even on LFR that trinket is very good both ways for the offensive part just sim but it does very decent damage
passive+active was doing like 7-8% of my damage
strong forum
Am I the only one who thinks that tott isn't hard at all?
sick sentinel
im 1944 now
strong forum
Like there's only 1 dangerous pull in there for tank
And it's the dogs, which you blow up in an instant and then you're cruising again
median tulip
LOL. Those Stewards in Waycrest? Turns out if you accidentally pull a bit more than you meant to and they get like 10 stacks of Bolstering they melee for 200k a time through Shield Block and they double hit.
blazing condor
Havent struggled with tott
median tulip
Am I the only one who thinks that tott isn't hard at all?
It's a sod on Tyrannical, but it's pretty easy on Fort
strong forum
Getting the feeling that's the case with all keys
jagged pier
that is the case with all keys
strong forum
There's just no dangerous trash outside of EB
median tulip
Bolstering this week has got me killed twice now. And has regularly killed party members due to unkicked casts.
strong forum
🤷♂️
It'll be nice when bolstering is gone again
But it's not been particularly difficult for me as tank
But again, probably a keylevel thing
median tulip
I also had one guy throw an attitude at me when I noped out of his key group (before even starting) because his DPS was Mage, Warlock, Boomie with a Priest healer. And he didn't seem to understand why this would be an issue in Waycrest.
median tulip
"We're gonna take a comp with no interrupts into a dungeon with Bolstering and casters with vast HP differentials"
Not with me fkn tanking you aren't
The main thing with Bolstering is it makes accidental double pulls into much more dangerous situations than they would otherwise be.
Also any mob with a "I'm gonna leap on a clothie" move becomes instant death
like the cats in DHT, or the Pallid Gorgers in WCM
blazing condor
Back in my day yogi couldnt do 15s
uneven mason
Also any mob with a "I'm gonna leap on a clothie" move becomes instant death
Everbloom had one of those berserkers at 2% hp get 8 stacks and leap 3deaths instantly
median tulip
Everbloom had one of those berserkers at 2% hp get 8 stacks and leap 3deaths ins...
Yeah, those are nasty enough without bolstering.
The spinning drakonids in DOTI are nasty bolstered too
uneven mason
Also fuck poison claws with bolstering
frigid garnet
u can reflect poison claws :}
median tulip
At least next week the affixes are somebody else's problem
median tulip
It's definitely a week for competent groups for sure
I like playing my Priest on Incorp weeks. Mind Control one, shackle the other.
pallid quiver
I also had one guy throw an attitude at me when I noped out of his key group (be...
Hey, the Warlock can have an oGCD interrupt that doesn't stop their cast :L
strong forum
Yogi going through history real quick
sick sentinel
my io this is
toxic pewter
wat ur best dungeon @sick sentinel
median tulip
Hey, the Warlock can have an oGCD interrupt that doesn't stop their cast :L
He was Destro.
median tulip
Yeah, but that's Demo
sick sentinel
i cant think of what warlocks do to silence besides felhou nd
pallid quiver
D
Destro is the one that also has demons out of non demo
Felhunter can also interrupt
craggy pilot
how does the gauntlet of TOTT work? is there a set spawn timer or something?
pallid quiver
Aff is the only one that takes gosac, iirc, and even then they still technically have the interrupt
craggy pilot
kept getting grps of small adds on top of us
pallid quiver
assuming they don't opt for uh, magic dispell, an okayyyyy defensive, or a charm?
strong forum
how does the gauntlet of TOTT work? is there a set spawn timer or something?
They just spawn waves of adds until all big swell guys are dead I think
craggy pilot
They just spawn waves of adds until all big swell guys are dead I think
but they seemed to spawn behind us
strong forum
Ty
teal swift
I'm glad a good player got it lmao
craggy pilot
and what is the play in that gauntlet though? 🤔 seems to do a lot of dmg if pulling the Elementals together with the small ones
strong forum
Outheal it 4head
teal swift
and what is the play in that gauntlet though? 🤔 seems to do a lot of dmg if pul...
Don't die, watch disease stacks
Pop a personal if swell happens during stacks
Don't rush the gauntlet
strong forum
Don't tank in the middle of the gauntlet
Only at the end or the beginning
So you dont have fucks spawning on top of you
craggy pilot
ah so the gauntlet needs to be 2 pulls basically?
strong forum
Yeah
teal swift
No
craggy pilot
or just pull back the first 2, and then pull to end?
strong forum
Ye
teal swift
Like you don't wanna pay child support
strong forum
Except the last 2 swell guys, at the gate
teal swift
Then go all the way in for last 2
craggy pilot
craggy pilot
ah ok
strong forum
Or kill the where they are
craggy pilot
makes sense 😄
strong forum
If you have enough cc
craggy pilot
i havent looked at routes this entire season cus i only played DPS
now i tanked a +20 with 447 and ofc went straight into TOTT
craggy pilot
hard when i didnt tank these dungeons before
strong forum
When you didn't do them before
You do them based on how intimidating the mobs look
It does indeed work
lusty grotto
i would argue its easier to understand common sense as a dps, because its the group that will melt
strong forum
Big fucking mob = scary mob, small pull
Lots of staff wielders? Many interrupts needed
Axe guys? Lmao pull more
Big tentacle things?
Chain together with small tentacle things (outside of bolstering)
It's that simple
The bigger they are the more they hurt
craggy pilot
makes sense kinda
eternal blaze
I can't find anything about breakpoints on the notes, do we really not care about DR and just full send haste?
eternal blaze
you're a star tyvm
uneven mason
Big fucking mob = scary mob, small pull
The big exception so far this season
small mob, fucks your couch
strong forum
Kill it, stun it
Don't chain them into other shit
Don't do them together with the Ravager
And you're fine in middling keys until you eventually need to pull bigger for timer sake
hardy snow
eb
sick sentinel
im not as familiar with it, but the other 2 dungeons i have , i 3 chested those at same lvl
so i have to 2 chest key 1 up from that or time a key 2 lvls higher than it to make io
waxen cradle
whats your guys advice for dealing with all the magic damage in the sand clearing room of Murozonds Rise, other than well SReflect, Spell Block, stunning and rotating CD's ? thats it yeah... or any other pointers ?
lusty grotto
thats it
waxen cradle
Because that shit is annoying as fuck, I mean doable of course but SO ANNOYING
lusty grotto
i dont find it annoying
strong forum
Just gotta watch out for when you actually do need to use cds
Aka double/triple strike
waxen cradle
yeah
strong forum
And then yeah kick rotation for mages
waxen cradle
learned that FAST
waxen cradle
Of course when I say annoying what I mean is when people tend to well not interrupt and make my life hell at that point
sick sentinel
whats your guys advice for dealing with all the magic damage in the sand clearin...
you see that swirly thingy
dont stand in it
sick sentinel
okay, ksm is finished
timber nest
does def. stance not show up on logs as a buff?
uneven mason
@sick sentinel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1421490/Rise_of_the_Triad_Ludicrous_Edition/
Bruh did you know about that
Terminal velocity got relreased too, what are they doing like, rehashing 1995
pallid quiver
does def. stance not show up on logs as a buff?
Def Stance and Battle stance only really show up when you use it mid encounter/key
pallid quiver
Terminal velocity got relreased too, what are they doing like, rehashing 1995
There's a whole "boomer shooter" resurgence going on, especially in the indie market.
sick sentinel
way ahead of you
this modern version is worth buying if you dont mind janky shooters
so, i keep my maark of mastery till tuesday morning to see if i get a tier compatible piece?
uneven mason
There's a whole "boomer shooter" resurgence going on, especially in the indie ma...
ngl modern shooters are pretty ass
they miss the point
sick sentinel
im after the shoulders and chest
uneven mason
of a RNG
sick sentinel
i have legs and hands
uneven mason
gotta add classes and tricks and other fancy mechanics
uneven mason
Serious Sam yes - Modern shitfare no
uneven mason
boom shooters is all about the guns and enemiies and levels
Thats what I'm saying, modern ones are adding needless stuff
Like, I appreciate Doom/Eternal but they're like 90% RnG and 10% "janky powerups"
sick sentinel
try zortch
uneven mason
Even Darktide, I like the game, but I'm in the middle of murderballing a horde and they're like "You have to go click on this thing or you fail the mission"
what
just let me shoot them until they stop moving
sick sentinel
if you really don't know what a boom shoot is
play zortch
or perilous the chasm, but that ones kinda shitty
the new verseion is at least i hear the quake 1 or whatever original on dos is better
prodeus is budget doom 2016, shadow warrior is edgy humor good game play. rogue warrior dont play it
uneven mason
the new verseion is at least i hear the quake 1 or whatever original on dos is b...
They added raytracing to the engine and didn't optimize anything
sick sentinel
this is unironicall how rogue warrior starts
play this game
trust me, is lots of fun
uneven mason
Ok Zortch looks solid
ashen coral
Hello, do we rather use rageheart as a defensive cd if needed or in cd for offensive purpose ?
Or as a defensive cd but offensive if we know we won't have difficulties in the next 1min30 ?
pallid quiver
Should mostly be entirely offensive with you just happening to get defensive use out of it
There's not much need to specifically go out of your way to try and save it as a defensive CD
sick sentinel
most things you use offensively
means boss or pack dies faster and you win faster/stronger
only time not to send cds is when mobs about to die and you'd spend 10-15 of your 20 s of avatar in transit reaching the mobs only have 5s of uptime for maybe 1-3 attacks
vocal nimbus
warm plinth
I gotta stop reading back in skyhold to my mentions from when I was asleep
Why do people say all the dumb shit when I can't reply til hours later
violet flume
all +20s done
murozond rise definitely most cancer one
one shot everything except muro guess im biased
also waycrest timer lmao almost 3 chested
reran with friends, went afk 5min, timed anyway
pallid quiver
Why do people say all the dumb shit when I can't reply til hours later
damn
i couldn't even think of something dumb enough to joke post
i'm too stupid to be only stupid
violet flume
nice bro
and here i am still sporting a veteran weapon
next week this will change tho
left basalt
finally 🙂
opaque quest
just let me shoot them until they stop moving
Boltgun 
pale karma
Playing prot as a Tauren is substantially more satisfying than smaller races.
lament shell
please dont hate smol people
blazing condor
woven torrent
idk old one was more satisfying
opaque quest
idk old one was more satisfying
@toxic pewter could be one of your bad takes
prime gull
Hey, does someone have a cheep alternative embellishment for a m+ alt tank? I currently don't want to spend so much gold for the shadowflame patch
opaque quest
Shadowflame is 5k
There is no other embellishment thats cheaper than 5k
Maybe companionship bracers? Idk
But you'll lose deepz
lost wyvern
on morchie, when the adds spawn that fixate you they have this ground ring around them, does it damage other players? cuz i would like to keep it alive for quite a while as to not stagger the damage and let dps and healers destroy theirs first
since i can just facetank the damage endlessly
opaque quest
No. Just tank your add
prime gull
Shadowflame is 5k
Yeah, I came to the same conclusion after checking other embellishments.
For bracers I wear ingi BR bracers.
opaque quest
Depending on the content you do it doesnt matter if your second shadowflame is on bracers or boots. You los -3 ilvl but its no big deal in the end if you wanna keep using BR bracers
prime gull
Depending on the content you do it doesnt matter if your second shadowflame is o...
No I just meant that companionship bracers are no option for me, because I like the BR bracers 🙂
opaque quest
Yeah i know. I was saying that because you use 2 shadowflame patches. 1 on bracers and 1 on cloak
BR bracers dont count as embellishment. You can use them + 2 other embellishments
sick sentinel
Evoker and I assume the priest was raging at me last night 14 eb
The evoker I didn't get an add that attack evo on the tree boss
sick sentinel
im not sure where else the raging was, but someone in the group was trying to whisper me, i ignored all of that as you probably imagine
blazing condor
Maybe they have constructive things to say
sick sentinel
im not sure if moving the boss there is a good idea or not? im always afraid to drag a boss too far and then it resets at 10% hp cuz it did a charge too far, resulting in the healer is angry and leaves the key
mostly likke under rot first boss is an example i can think of that despawns if you move it too far
sick sentinel
no, im saying some boss that maybe it has that mechanic
grim pilot
It's not gonna get reseted
sick sentinel
and it does that and resets itself
or i pull the boss too far and it resets
so i've been wary of that for a very long time now
grim pilot
It's much easier to place roots that way
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> could be one of your bad takes
No I like the new look better and it makes sense since it hasn’t done arcane damage all xpac anyway
toxic pewter
Playing prot as a Tauren is substantially more satisfying than smaller races.
Lol, no
sick sentinel
i want to say
about the video posted, i like NF shifting power animation better jadefire stomp looks really good too
why are they overhauling the graphics to SL abilities if some of them arent even in retail
warm plinth
All of the ones they changed are in existing talent trees.
sick sentinel
i hope that one of the hero specs for prot warrior gets access to condemn
or at least some type of warrior can use it
toxic pewter
lol
pale karma
https://tenor.com/view/perfect-kiss-blz-black-gif-19848063
Well without the blue glow it's not really "of Bastion" so much as it is just a spear with chains from anywhere.
toxic pewter
yeah.. that is why they changed the name
sick sentinel
pale karma
didn't see that.
sick sentinel
this mod looks like fun
toxic pewter
called Champion's Spear starting in 10.2.5
sick sentinel
but i mean like, yeah
you want something like this as your tank in all probability
and not like, a female goblin with pink shield
im shocked maulotor is as powerful as he is, charge over powered
warm plinth
i hope that one of the hero specs for prot warrior gets access to condemn
we already have the animation for condemn so I kinda doubt it.
sick sentinel
my asssumption is whoever worked on the original 2003 2004 wow probably stole alot of ideas from hexen heretic games
that maulotuar is basically dead on tauren warrior without the tree weapon
watching that video makes me want to race swap to high mountain for the mini+fixed charge
warm plinth
sir, it's just a minotaur
sick sentinel
hexen has 3 classes fighter cleric mage, that could be a fun 3 player co-op game all as dps, fighter as tank/dps, cleric as healer /dps
u guys want me saving my mark of mastery for tomorrow correct
light dune
Yes
Quick question
I can't seem to tank council of dreams correctly (HC)
In nm you're supposed to move the bear next to one of the two other bosses
In HC doing this risks half the raid getting hit by the frontal
Do I just have to move the bear between casts? Or leave it alone and not moving it at all even though ppl lose dps since it's not standing next to another boss
I'm only missing council and fyrakk to be 9/9 HC
So I'm not completely stupid
strong forum
just tank him ontop of another boss and aim the frontal outside
slightly tank him behind the other boss
and aim the frontal out
🤷♂️
opaque quest
Well without the blue glow it's not really "of Bastion" so much as it is just a ...
Thats why its called champions spear now :>
opaque quest
No I like the new look better and it makes sense since it hasn’t done arcane dam...
Agreeing on a apb take?
Maybe you were right and it just took time
warm plinth
I don't like the circle portion of it
The weapon/chains part is cool but I don't like the ring
waxen frigate
Kinda wish they’d tried where possible to make the abbreviations the same
Like Spear of Battle or some shit
warm plinth
Only like two of them got renamed though no?
waxen frigate
All of the monk ones did
warm plinth
Spear and Faeline
warm plinth
Nah bonedust for sure didn't
waxen frigate
Oh nvm then ignore me
warm plinth
Weapons of Order got animation changed but I don't think it got renamed
toxic pewter
do monks tigers lust the tank
warm plinth
for what
warm plinth
I'd be surprised if they tiger's lust themselves to clear entangling
toxic pewter
just wild I think I got more tigers lusts than freedoms this week LOL
ok maybe im exaggerating a little but feels like it
toxic pewter
like i just feel like tanks are in the most precarious situations ( not always obviously) just would like some utility sent my way sometimes
waxen frigate
If it’s a mistweaver imo it’s very fair for them to TL themselves
toxic pewter
yeah and i do not see that many windwalkers
i guess the paladins with the literal dual freedom talent just boggles my mind
i keep complaining about it but i see it like every run
opaque quest
Windwalker kicks butt in M+ tho
They are either really good or really bad
No in between
toxic pewter
we need more windwalkers they go well with prot warr too imo
toxic pewter
some guy on reddit: "I’m currently playing Prot Warr, is there any faster paced Tank, more APM, more stuff to do? TLDR: Me like mashing buttons, Prot Warrior not mashy mashy, what tank is mashy mashy?"
yikes... nobody tell em... LOL
sick sentinel
will cry tomorrow if my myth item is headpiece and otyher slots is 2 shit items i dont need and cant be catalyzed
big malding will occur
timber nest
whats everyone crafting with their 4th spark?
sick sentinel
well actually, if its pre-made myth hlelmet, i wouldnt be SO mad, only if i have to use catalyst AND others arent able to catalyst
toxic pewter
whats everyone crafting with their 4th spark?
might do a brez helmet until I get mythic track helm
timber nest
might do a brez helmet until I get mythic track helm
@sims have neck being my best as of now...
toxic pewter
neck not bad slot for craft, but I use the one from tott anyway
which I find pretty strong
timber nest
ya i have that neck as well
toxic pewter
did u make a ring yet
timber nest
yes
toxic pewter
ring always good cuz of the socket
nice
could even do a second ring
i may do that actually
timber nest
2nd ring = -57
toxic pewter
hmm not worth it then
timber nest
toxic pewter
yeah the neck makes sense to show increase in dps cuz it will prob give u more crit than the tott neck
but would lose haste right
toxic pewter
does it have a socket already
timber nest
yes
toxic pewter
oh from last season perhaps?
timber nest
yes
toxic pewter
I am pretty sure the socket remains during recrafts.. and its a good point now that I think about it
hmmm
warm plinth
Only if it's from this season
toxic pewter
damn
warm plinth
Last season crafts lose socket on recraft other than ring/neck
opaque quest
Last season crafts lose socket on recraft other than ring/neck
When i got the message for my bracers this season i was malding
opaque quest
makes sense they did that though
Players cant have fun 🤷♂️
toxic pewter
toxic pewter
is that game an mmo or wat is it anyway
toxic pewter
i see
opaque quest
You should try it. Was GOTY when it launched. Then again with Iceborn lol
wheat dragon
matchmaking? huh
opaque quest
You can fire an SOS flare and let other ppl join you in hunts
grizzled nova
whats everyone crafting with their 4th spark?
2nd ring
sick sentinel
eh, maybe i'll try raid tonight, that or gota find somethin else to do
vocal flame
Good Morning. I don't know why but when tuarens die it always makes me laugh
vocal flame
whats everyone crafting with their 4th spark?
Probably feet since I have not been able to find an upgrade and still have a 437 equipped 
cinder pasture
I'm most likely going with neck...Only slot where I still have a s2 item
sick sentinel
this is why the evoker was upset
didnt hit my thunder clap or anything on that mob
trim bay
@sick sentinel tank him so your back is right up against the far wall. More time for the dps to kill the boss before the orbs hit the roots
grizzled nova
He should run to you to get the cleave not run away
I mean tbf yogi had an entire epoch of time to either taunt or heroic throw that thing, and he should have.
There's times when people should move in to assist grouping, this wasn't one of them.
I know that nameplates sometimes get lost in the sauce there, I would recommend setting growths to a different color in plater.
sick sentinel
part of it is i skipped warlords
and i know there is bubbles you have to collide with and the lashers but the lashers blend into the background very easily
and then that not playing warlords screws me a bit in not knowing fine details of what a certian mob casts in what order, so i place them here
very much in the dark besides "don't stand in that" and "point it away from the group and kick/reflect its spells!"
its like, thats the entire thing basically, just have to play it and play it right
past torrent
If the dps stack the stuff right, it’s just a simple heroic throw to get the add as it spawns and cleave it down with clap and a slam every now and again while smacking boss. Best way for that boss for sure.
I did warlords and never thought of it until someone showed me that this season so never too late to learn more effective ways
sick sentinel
dont really have videos of keys worth showing
dusky canopy
I think I’m tank washed guys ff
Tried a 16WM and a 16ToT on my 430 BDK
Failed miserably
sick sentinel
how fail waycrest
dusky canopy
Bosses were fine some of the bolster trash was absolutely fucking me
uneven mason
I mean
dusky canopy
I was doing over 200k hps
sick sentinel
have you tried not bolstering the trash?
uneven mason
That's how DKs work right?
sick sentinel
nah, someone was slackin probably healer lol
violet ginkgo
how to not bolster the trash?
dusky canopy
DKs heal a lot yeah but 200k is that normal?
uneven mason
nah, someone was slackin probably healer lol
BDK legit don't need healers!
dusky canopy
Felt like a lot for my ilvl I guess
sick sentinel
?? kill the low hp mobs first and then chain pull bigger targets into next pull
uneven mason
430 was a bit low for sure
sick sentinel
so the doggos courtyard dont 300 stacks the like 3 witches in that pull
opaque quest
That's how DKs work right?
DK doesnt need a healer. DK needs support
If i have some pain sups or angels or w/e im gucci
sick sentinel
if its the exploding green frogs and a caster on left and right of witch u have to be out of the green when the frogs die
dusky canopy
The trash around first boss was hurting me the most
Not inside the boss room, but like the hallways around boss 1
sick sentinel
that will disorient you meaning the remaining mobs temporarily attack other players until you recover
and since you loss of charcter, it can chain,
dusky canopy
It’s just a gear/skill diff
uneven mason
Guys I have today off of work
dusky canopy
Yuge!
dusky canopy
11days off starting with half day this Friday
sick sentinel
pray not for hosetown tomorrow
dusky canopy
uneven mason
I mean
pallid quiver
but I'm alreaduy capped on vault
do my vault for me
sick sentinel
everything crit mastery
and its all shit you cant put in the catalyst for tier or make it better stats
uneven mason
I have a 483 Gholak, 489 Rezan, I'm not really sure what motivation I have left
vocal flame
I was doing over 200k hps
200k DPS at 430? Wow I am really bad
dusky canopy
Hps
uneven mason
HPS~
dusky canopy
Oh I’m not even trying to epeen im not a good BDK at all
sick sentinel
if i do see that mythic helmet tomorrow i probably go for that
dusky canopy
It’s just a rat alt I want the normal tier on
I was just surprised I was struggling in a 16
sick sentinel
im just praying it doesnt try to give me some hero lvl trinket i already have
vestal edge
wheres the sod discussion area
pallid quiver
an entirely different server
I don't have the link, but you'll want to look at the classic Discords most likely
opaque quest
wheres the sod discussion area
Try facebook. Classic is hot with 80+ year olds
dusky canopy
opaque quest
uneven mason
Try facebook. Classic is hot with 80+ year olds
I've found that most players on classic are toxic zoomers who enjoyed watching their older brothers play it back in 2004
vocal flame
I hated vanilla when I played it, going back to that is insanity.
vestal edge
Try facebook. Classic is hot with 80+ year olds
lol id rather play with an 80yo than the yiffers the DF crew plays with XD
plush tendon
Tried a 16WM and a 16ToT on my 430 BDK
There are a couple of things in both dungeons that do hurt Blood DKs (some naster tank busters and hard hitting melee mobs)
Just make sure you are rotating your defensives. Like any tank, you want good 'coverage' on your defensives which is especially true on fort weeks
toxic pewter
lol id rather play with an 80yo than the yiffers the DF crew plays with XD
uhhh nobody tell this individual about tauren
vestal edge
we kill those ones we ally all day
toxic pewter
are you ok
vestal edge
this disc prolly filled with zugz
opaque quest
I've found that most players on classic are toxic zoomers who enjoyed watching t...
Interesting. All the footage i see from classic is having clickers and noobs. Usually kids are fast and smart
opaque quest
lol id rather play with an 80yo than the yiffers the DF crew plays with XD
XDXDXDXD haha iksde so funny
opaque quest
Just make sure you are rotating your defensives. Like any tank, you want good 'c...
run double red thirst and you have vampiric blood for every pack or tank buster
plush tendon
eh, you dont need double red thirst
its like a extra 10-15 seconds CDR on vamp blood
opaque quest
Ofc you dont need it. But its comfy af
warm plinth
No u
red otter
Alot of people wont recommend it but I love it personally
2/2 red thirst probably the best choice I ever made playing BDK.
Combined with some good haste have it every pull and easily 2-3 times on some fort pulls
plush tendon
nothing wrong with those picks tbf
there are worst talent choices and those to me feel like a preference thing
like, this is how I choose my talents; I sort of just highlighted where my 'choices' are
dusky canopy
like, this is how I choose my talents; I sort of just highlighted where my 'choi...
Thanks king!
Just a casual alt so I’m not trying to min max to crazy but appreciate the info
plush tendon
min maxing my alts is my favorite pastime 😄
but blood is super ez to do; talent tree is pretty much set with only a couple of niche options
and gearing is 'put highest I level on' and sim for dps
sick sentinel
red otter
and gearing is 'put highest I level on' and sim for dps
I know thats the standard but I've found it to beneficial for my style of play to have alot of haste and mastery. More death strikes, more blood shield, more vampiric bloods, more UE.
sick sentinel
when i pulled the boss i saw the target casting something immediately cave man reaction hit pummel
rustic tinsel
UE
plush tendon
I know thats the standard but I've found it to beneficial for my style of play t...
you do you man, its probably fine enough.... but im not gonna argue the semantics of BDK in a Prot War disc XD
waxen frigate
like, this is how I choose my talents; I sort of just highlighted where my 'choi...
Is that coagulation in a blue circle bc that should def not be an “option” lol
plush tendon
Is that coagulation in a blue circle bc that should def not be an “option” lol
naw, voracious
death strike +15% healing and leach
can trade it for a second red thirst
plush tendon
hemeostasis
strange lintel
vocal flame
@sick sentinel more clips please
light dune
question
im 476 and got weapon/shield/tier sorted out
should i open the vault as arms to fish for trinkets?
particularly fyrakk and smolderon trinkets
and can gholak drop in hc if i havent killed fyrakk?
rustic tinsel
Not from your vault no
light dune
okay
toxic pewter
seems like 23 is the pug wall for prot warr.. cannot get invited to any groups
maybe 24...
torn gulch
yea mountain thane reverts around empowering thunder clap and avatar
chrome falcon
obviously it's too early to talk about anything posted in there but
i would loooove for intervene to be an actual good external again
blazing condor
how long we gotta live in this TC/Avatar cycle 
late wasp
If thunderclap's audio doesn't just boom with some sound distorting Chritopher Nolan level crackling, I will be disappointed
chrome falcon
no idea what "3 times our armour" actually is in practical terms
lusty grotto
👢 🍵 👏 time again
jagged pier
how long we gotta live in this TC/Avatar cycle <:deadge:900279927138578432>
actually made me quick prot last time
sick sentinel
torn gulch
colossus
chrome falcon
i dont want another expansion of revenge feeling like absolute shit
sick sentinel
pallid quiver
okay, but would it be fine if revenge felt like shit
if they turned execute aoe and cracked it the fuck out
chrome falcon
they're not going to make prot specific execute stuff
maybe we'll see execute interactions on the prot/arms tree but doubt it
pallid quiver
just make it apply to arms, too, it'll be fine
lusty grotto
fucking execute being ass for an entire expansion 
thanks SL!
storm shield is
pretty interesting
sounds like their safeguard replacement
well, spellward safeguard
chrome falcon
is anyone online now who can say what 3x our armour is
because i have no clue how much of a dps' hp bar that is
toxic pewter
i have 32kish armor right now
waxen frigate
armor will go up in the exp anyway
So will hp
strong forum
its such a clear choice thing to do
left for aoe dmg
middle for utility
right for ST dmg
done
its that simple
waxen frigate
left for aoe dmg
middle for utility
right for ST dmg
You get all 3 though
lusty grotto
the choice is dn
strong forum
hm...
waxen frigate
There’s choice nodes but you get every node
lusty grotto
🙂
waxen frigate
The major “choice” is just choosing which hero tree you play
strong forum
huh...
strong forum
hmm
toxic pewter
the intervene thing at least gives us some more utility
strong forum
yeah its REALLY good
pallid quiver
Their overall goal is to let you choose your class theme-ing
so we'll see how it pans out
toxic pewter
20% damage to shield slam ill take it lol
I hope Thunder Blast has a sick animation
I mean it has to come on blizz
lusty grotto
i bet we're still gonna get giga shafted utility wise though
bet pally get lust
🙂
be a one man group
toxic pewter
pally apparently drop some interactable thing on the ground lol
and 2 people can click it apparently
waxen frigate
bet pally get lust
The pally one rn looks cringe
toxic pewter
wait do fury warriors actually use thunder clap or am I missing something
i swear they didnt
lusty grotto
but again we're not that bad in DF
pallid quiver
aoe storm bolt still funny tho
lusty grotto
so we will see
idk about fury but arms does
which is weird cause
arms doesnt have access to thane
toxic pewter
fury doesnt have rend iirc
so them thunder clapping hasnt been a thing afaik
meh i guess will change
toxic pewter
yeah it seems so if they go thane at least
pallid quiver
unless slayer cracked and hates tc
waxen frigate
yeah it seems so if they go thane at least
Ya that’s what I meant
Fury chat is coping that slayer is condemn focused
But we’ll see
toxic pewter
lol
pallid quiver
Fury chat is coping that slayer is condemn focused
inb4 auto attack focus
waxen frigate
Nah they’re not windwalkers they won’t get something AA
sick sentinel
ya its just dual type magic dmg
patent osprey
lusty grotto
ya pika youre late
lusty grotto
you can swap between the 2 anyway
and we have yet to see the colossus tree
if i had to guess
blazing condor
i will not play another TC build out of principle
winged slate
But what if they put the thunder in thunderclap
limber temple
I am not really feeling that inspired by that.
lusty grotto
i like clapping boo to both of you
blazing condor
But what if they put the thunder in thunderclap
already have a glyph that does that
sick sentinel
so long as am not too collasal to go through door
toxic pewter
they really went hard with thunder clap lmao
sick sentinel
that hurts the speed run timer
toxic pewter
arms also thunder claps...
winged slate
already have a glyph that does that
The glyph makes you electrocute enemies and do more dam? I need to go back to cata, get my major glyph slots
waxen frigate
arms also thunder claps...
I feel like they got it backwards lmao
toxic pewter
lol
lusty grotto
now arms can be thanes and slayers
toxic pewter
but mountain king dual weilds in warcraft 3
toxic pewter
ITS ALL MESSED UP
lusty grotto
fuck the lore
toxic pewter
lmao
urban portal
fury with thunder clap is weird as hell
Fury with thunderclaps is fine
toxic pewter
can even change the name if needed
urban portal
It’s just renaming whirlwind
toxic pewter
I mean something tells me the furyLords wont even want to thunder clap
lusty grotto
they need to rename colossus to blademaster then
urban portal
You are just pressing a different version of the same button
toxic pewter
people like whirlwinding though
toxic gyro
I can still loot legendary axe quest item even if my loot spec is set to prot, right?
toxic pewter
yes
lusty grotto
correct
toxic gyro
Thanks, was just making sure
urban portal
People do not like whirlwinding
toxic pewter
bdk getting a mini roar
urban portal
Just change the icon
lusty grotto
@dusky canopy you hearing this?
urban portal
You wouldn’t tell the difference
zinc root
barbed fang a good weapon for us?
lusty grotto
if its more ilvl than what you have, sure
ilvl > all
except if you get a gholak
😉
toxic pewter
kind of cool how there is a loop with the lightning strikes and avatar
lusty grotto
urban portal
An avatar proc probably wouldn’t give torments
Is my main concern
So it’s not that strong
lusty grotto
lol i couldnt troll pika 😦
toxic pewter
An avatar proc probably wouldn’t give torments
wat u mean torments
toxic pewter
yeah prob wont since it says activating
i dont speak fury talk i never used that term
mighty valley
prot would definitely not use immovable wall when paired with the juiced thunderclap hero spec
lusty grotto
immovable object*
lusty karma
BDK talents are cracked, prof war seems like BFA azerite power returned with more AoE damage, prot paladin seems okay with the weapons being able to be picked up
waxen frigate
Paladin one looks unfun and not appealing fantasy wise
Imo
Support tree is fine but should’ve been something blessing/aura related not… green lantern constructs
lusty karma
This alone made me jealous, we only got 40% of our bleeds
Infliction of Sorrow: When Vampiric Strike damages an enemy affected by Blood Plague or Virulent Plague it consumes the disease dealing 200% of the remaining damage. While Gift of the San’layn is active, Vampiric Strike no longer consumes your disease and instead extends the duration of your disease by 3 sec and deals 20% of the remaining damage to the enemy.
plush tendon
I mean, why be a light smith when you can be a Templar?
lusty karma
200% of remaining damage vs 40% of remaining damage for our bleeds currently, that seems insane
I’m confused by the first part of Prot’s Call of Thunder, why does it say there “Stormstrike ignores armor”, isnt that the Fury ability? What is Stormstrike?
lusty karma
I thought Lightning Strikes is the proc per the tree?
vivid orchid
theres both
lusty karma
I see it as a proc after that talent, just weird to have talents before it’s defined referencing it but got it
Just seems like insane AoE damage potential
lusty karma
Spamming Ravager new meta?
vivid orchid
ravager cdr seems quite solid
lusty karma
Wonder if Storm Shield will be decent enough to cover spell warding gap, guessing no since it’s not immunity, would be nice if it also gave them SR
Middle talent in general is underwhelming, random secondary stun or intervene talent when intervene isn’t baseline
lusty tiger
we're finally getting ravager cdr after ive been asking for it for 2 years?
lusty karma
4% DR with likely 100% uptime seems good, better than the mini last stand
lusty karma
And Gathering/Thorim’s seems like AoE vs ST
Maybe not with Bursts of Power interaction, spamming SS like the PvP talent lets you do will be fun
Actually with the capstone Gathering may just be better all the time vs 3 rage and 15% execute/revenge damage
vivid orchid
yea that would fuel something more reminiscent of bfa
lusty karma
Yeah constantly proccing avatar, insane AoE damage and a little DR
Wish it had some utility we were lacking or something in the tree as well
Excited to see the other tree
sullen gust
If this one is thunderclap focused, what do you think the other will be like?
toxic pewter
I’m confused by the first part of Prot’s Call of Thunder, why does it say there ...
stormstrike is a damage type. it is physical and nature damage combined
lusty karma
Not that, just them referencing something they haven’t defined yet in the tree
Threw me off
granite pond
Shaman tank? No, Mountain Thane
waxen frigate
If this one is thunderclap focused, what do you think the other will be like?
Colossus is the name right? So probably some sort of stone shit
lusty karma
Think we made out pretty well, BDK is bonkers still though and better utility
waxen frigate
I’d wager SS/revenge/avatar
lusty karma
Lots of DR I’d wager as well
waxen frigate
Ye
lusty karma
DR/Health
waxen frigate
Just being tanky
granite pond
2 hander and shield tank!
lusty karma
Just make our block be effective against magic damage baseline and boom
waxen frigate
@strong forum allow my message through the filter it’s important
sullen gust
My sneaky suspicion is they will try and make us take champions spear or whatever they're renaming bastion spear to
vivid orchid
dk one is strange since it just sems like they dont need any more help in that department
lusty karma
The damage potential seems high for BDK
granite pond
Colossus might be ignore pain focused. Shrug off damage
vivid orchid
so you get the strong base for bdk but add a ton of damage, how would that not end up being anything but default meta
waxen frigate
Maybe.
lusty karma
The exploding mob and 200% of plague damage on consumption is insane to me, looking at how our tier got nerfed to 40% of remaining bleed damage
And insane healing as well as if they didn’t already have that
Maybe their plagues do significantly less damage than our bleeds otherwise idk, guessing nerfs inc
vivid orchid
I think they do, offhand
waxen frigate
Maybe their plagues do significantly less damage than our bleeds otherwise idk, ...
They do a lot
lusty karma
Oooo a bleed themed one would be cool as well but guessing Colossus ain’t that
strong forum
smh nish
waxen frigate
APPROVE IT
sick sentinel
my assumption is that clossus will be about staying alive shit
waxen frigate
😠
toxic pewter
colossus will prob focus on bleeds or something prot and arms have in common
sick sentinel
more hp and lifesteal stuff
vivid orchid
colossus is also for arms so there will be damage related things in there also
lusty karma
Really hoping for a mini class tree rework for prot to give us Berserker Rage and Intervene baseline
sick sentinel
and like more armor and more attack power and shit
toxic pewter
prob mortal strike and shield slam lol
lusty karma
May not be the utility we’re lacking but it’s something if they won’t give us a lust or brez
toxic pewter
should just make thunder clap baseline for all specs
lusty karma
I miss having fear break baseline
strong forum
APPROVE IT
approve dn
waxen frigate
Present them
toxic pewter
urban portal
so you get the strong base for bdk but add a ton of damage, how would that not e...
Because you get aura nerfed
vivid orchid
look with the way blizzard balances this game, all bets are off
lusty karma
I’ve been saying for a while, they should make Death and Decay/Consecrate actual auras that are off the player character for X yards, like immolate aura, would solve a lot of problems
That follow them and whatnot
sick sentinel
choosable
lusty karma
Lool
I’m in BDK prison (better than Prot Paladin prison) so I guess I talk about both, but hoping next tree is just as cracked if not more
lusty karma
That’s a good prison to be in for ST