Ok u do u
#protection
jagged pier
torn gulch
dh nerfs incoming
uneven mason
dh nerfs incoming
toxic pewter
oops cat jumped on keyboard
torn gulch
yea it surely did
uneven mason
Ooo destro buffs
unreal abyss
I remember there was a WA that was yelling how much dmg reflected
does any1 remember which one was it?
toxic pewter
does any1 remember which one was it?
That the one you mentioning I think, I use it now also
unreal abyss
tyvm
rocky crest
Do you guys have a hard time getting grp as a prot ? 3k rating n above
dusky canopy
Yes it’s the normal pugging experience for any class that isn’t considered the best by the high end community
frosty holly
Never any issues getting into a key as prot
rocky crest
It seems all the want is Dh , pala , dr00d tbh
rocky crest
Maybe it's my bad luck @frosty holly ^^
tbh we can skill and be as DH with aoe silence with disrupting shout etc, just need to adjust abit different
We do have the ability to cc alot of mobs, but yeah hurr durr not meta
frosty holly
I've run on all chars combined prob 130 keys this season. I've seen more prot wars then I've done prot palas. Druids hardly any. By far most DHs ofc
rocky crest
What trinkets do you roll with as prot ?
dusky canopy
We do have the ability to cc alot of mobs, but yeah hurr durr not meta
This is all it is
rocky crest
I seem to have to keep the "Cheat death" regardles
frosty holly
I do however not go above 20 keys most of the time. So could be the reason
lusty grotto
dr00d? wtf
dusky canopy
People think 25s are impossible unless you bring the perceived meta
lusty grotto
now thats wild
dusky canopy
Nothing new
rocky crest
Rahtae then that may explain your pov if you don't go above 20's
lusty grotto
who the fuck wants druids in this patch lol
thats a bullet dodged
cause they clearly dont know shit lmao
sick sentinel
that was odd that discord crash lol
grizzled nova
tbh we can skill and be as DH with aoe silence with disrupting shout etc, just n...
disrupting shout has the one unique niche of being okay for lieutenant casters in eb, other than that it is in every conceivable way a worse silence sigil, intimidating shout is in every conceivable way a worse misery sigil, and vdh has 2 charges of both and chains on top, and an aoe stun with a better hitbox.
pwar is a good tank
but vdh and ppala are good tanks too, and have more and better utility
cinder pasture
that was odd that discord crash lol
Just Discord having some issues
real fossil
did they hotfix your ability to leap away from deios's breath?
or was i just slow and old
novel temple
Maybe we can get more utility come war within
Seems like mountain thane is gonna have an aoe storm bolt with avatar or something like that
surreal birch
or just double patch
double patch or patch+frostfire, they are not that far apart from what I can tell
turbid shuttle
did you know you can pre-stun the zerkers in everbloom and they won't charge/spin?
lusty grotto
yes
you can also stun them out of it
but preventive stops are better obviously
fear also works
turbid shuttle
yea I knew you could stun them out, but as you say, prevention much better
lusty grotto
any stop works
its not just stun
any cc, any aoe stop like tail swipe/fear/blinding light/incap roar/etc
rocky crest
any pointers on seeing when to pre stun them @turbid shuttle
lusty grotto
nameplate cds
turbid shuttle
spell cd on nameplate wa
limpid estuary
disrupting shout has the one unique niche of being okay for lieutenant casters i...
😭
trim bay
when u pre stun them after the stun has finished they re cast it insta dont they?
thought it was better to do it as the cast finished. mid leap
turbid shuttle
they never re cast
they just don't use it and it goes on cooldown until the next round
strong forum
You also get more smoke on the shoulders
uneven mason
Allrighty then
waxen frigate
Is our particle effects literally just "Glowing head"
all of the particle effects are dogshit
it's a colossal meme
that just emphasizes how meaningless any non-title M+ rewards are
lusty tiger
jagged ferry
Hey guys, looking for advice re: Stats, pushing higher keys now, sitting at 3.1k io, currently this is my stats
I think I should be pushing for less vers and more crit/haste.
Is that right?
lusty grotto
@strong forum do you know if talented heal amps affect shields like the tank enchant?
like grace of the crane and close to heart for brew?
and/or bdk heal amps
uneven mason
TFW I have 8% vers
sorry 5%
8% is with tepid phial
is using a sporecloak trolling?
waxen frigate
Mood
waxen frigate
is using a sporecloak trolling?
Yes
trim bay
they just don't use it and it goes on cooldown until the next round
Oh shit. Ty Ty Ty Ty /bendtheknee
viscid zodiac
Hey guys do you all sit in defensive stance or battle stance when you tanks
lusty grotto
battle stance for the most part
and we swap to dstance as a cd basically
then swap back
agile dagger
is there a mage tower tab for this discord?
pallid quiver
is there a mage tower tab for this discord?
No, especially not for Prot. It should be relatively trivial other than base mechanics of
Don't get knocked off
Don't stand in the health reduction 5ever
Press your buttons
agile dagger
Thank you for your elitism
pallid quiver
Thank you for your elitism
You're welcome
If you have actual direct issues, you can list them
But if you just achieve the above, that's all the tank challenge is
If you die to anything other than a mechanical failure, you're just playing the class direly incorrectly
viscid zodiac
Got so many buttons. Which defensives can I combine into one macro ?
lusty grotto
none
viscid zodiac
Spell block + Spell Reflect ?
pallid quiver
Got so many buttons. Which defensives can I combine into one macro ?
None is optimal, unfortunately
lusty grotto
nope
viscid zodiac
Shield wall + Last stand + Rally cry ?
lusty grotto
absolutely not
pallid quiver
Rally isn't even yours to use for yourself
viscid zodiac
Just tank for m+
pallid quiver
yeah you use it for the party
viscid zodiac
I’m getting killed a lot in 18-20 keys at 460
lusty grotto
thats not due to macroing defensives
pallid quiver
That's mechanical issues or rotational issues, then
royal obsidian
Start using shield block and you'll be fine
lusty grotto
link us a log and we'll tell you why youre dying
pallid quiver
You can definitely mathematically tank 20-22 comfortably at 441 ilvl
viscid zodiac
thats not due to macroing defensives
No it’s because I didn’t use a few defensives because not bound. Ran out of key binds
viscid zodiac
Start using shield block and you'll be fine
Okay but I can’t cast shield block at start . I need rage .
lusty grotto
so charge
lusty grotto
instant shield block rage
pallid quiver
Avatar+Charge is enough rage for a shield block, so
It should be up for the very first pull, then you can ration rage to maintain it the rest of any dungeon
viscid zodiac
Use avatar and charge
Avatar first then charge in right ?
agile dagger
I dont think I do enough damage, it takes me a good 7 minutes to take down phase 1
lusty grotto
do you have a log
viscid zodiac
I’ve been asked to tank a lot in keys this season so I’m trying to learn . Thanks guys
lusty grotto
we cant really say much out of conjecture
royal obsidian
Keep track of shield block first and foremost
lusty grotto
or look up your character in warcraftlogs and see if someone logged a key you ran
royal obsidian
If you get hit without block you failed
If it's up you're good, just lok out for magic damage and bleeds
viscid zodiac
Okay
royal obsidian
This season dungeon pool is very chill for pwar
viscid zodiac
The first few seconds when I heroic leap in is where I die
royal obsidian
Other than maybe throne at some points and muro
viscid zodiac
Cuz no rage yet to shield block
royal obsidian
Don't leap in
royal obsidian
Also don't just engage from 2 km away, you're leaving rest of the party behind so healer won't help you and none else will be able to either
lusty grotto
i guarantee thats not it
royal obsidian
So they'll be late to fight and prob miss first casts
lusty grotto
link a log please so we have the full story
pallid quiver
I dont think I do enough damage, it takes me a good 7 minutes to take down phase...
What talent build are you running, then? We should be doing a lot more damage than in Legion due to the power spikes due to talents, so you're either lacking that or just not entering as soon as stacks drop in P1
agile dagger
how many stacks should I sit in?
viscid zodiac
link a log please so we have the full story
I will once I get home later
pallid quiver
how many stacks should I sit in?
Like 5-ish probably, however many you don't get murdered by
agile dagger
This build is straight off icy veins
royal obsidian
How do you guys initiate a pull ?
Avatar charge into thunderclap then spend 15 gods dropping cds
agile dagger
Thats why I came here to ask if there was info on a propper build
pallid quiver
I'm wahering he's got T30 or is - yeah that
lusty grotto
do you have t30?
agile dagger
whats t30
lusty grotto
the previous tier
pallid quiver
Thats why I came here to ask if there was info on a propper build
It's actually the build you run with S2 tier set
agile dagger
Im in full blues
pallid quiver
Icyveins should have a tiny blurb about it
lusty grotto
bolster does nothing for you there
agile dagger
anyone have a link to a better build for this?
pallid quiver
bolster does nothing for you there
He's likely on an alt farming cosmetics
agile dagger
^
lusty grotto
i could gather as much
agile dagger
Ive gotten to phase 2 once but I need to fix something
I couldnt do shit in phase 2
pallid quiver
anyone have a link to a better build for this?
It'll actually do you fine, just swap Bolster off and ITF to the other talent, ITF being Into the Fray
It won't make a difference for you clearing, tbh, since you're dying from damage downtime
lusty grotto
yup remove bolster and swap into the fray into heavy repercussions
agile dagger
whats bolster?
viscid zodiac
Avatar charge into thunderclap then spend 15 gods dropping cds
❤️
lusty grotto
sure
lusty grotto
not really
pallid quiver
do I go blood born with bolster?
Yeah, that's fine. If you don't have weakauras set up, by the way, get one to let you know when Shield Slam resets
lusty grotto
you need to cycle spell block in with shield block up against variss
(i think spell block works)
pallid quiver
It's the largest part of your ST damage, which is what mage tower is focused on
royal obsidian
Grab storm bolt and shockwave as well for MT
agile dagger
It's the largest part of your ST damage, which is what mage tower is focused on
st damage?
Im not suppsoe to target eyes?
rapid jewel
can we intervene and spell reflect?
royal obsidian
It'll help stop casts when you can't kick or to get the exploding adds
lusty grotto
you can face them and they dont knock you
lusty grotto
can we intervene and spell reflect?
no
royal obsidian
can we intervene and spell reflect?
Sadly no
pallid quiver
st damage?
Yeah, Prot Mage Tower is effectively a ST DPS race
viscid zodiac
Ravager. Avatar. Charge. Immediately turn shield block on. Ignore pain.
agile dagger
What does st mean
viscid zodiac
That’s the opener ?
lusty grotto
single target
pallid quiver
Almost anything that kills you isn't a test of tankiness, just lmao get iff the platform
lusty grotto
heres my old as fuck legion video
royal obsidian
That’s the opener ?
Shield block if it's single target and just try to do max damage on your opener
pallid quiver
Yeah, just remember to look at them so you don't get knocked off. You can kill them if you happen to walk near ir something, but
royal obsidian
Shield block if it's single target and just try to do max damage on your opener
Meant slam
lusty grotto
you can heroic throw them iirc and they just die
royal obsidian
Shield slam
lusty grotto
the whole point of the first phase is kicking variss and burning him down as much as you can without getting overwhelmed
with spell block, you might not have to kick as much
you can get impending victory usage by killing adds to heal yourself etc
agile dagger
spell block works for his globs?
outer mantle
Is it possible to get the leggo Axe while in Prot?
lusty grotto
yes
outer mantle
tyty
lusty grotto
spell block works for his globs?
for his what?
it shold work for his casts, but hard to say, most of us havent been there since legion (and spell block is new for this expansion)
pallid quiver
Oh right, also, for P2 when you get there, spell reflect is twisted reflection cast
pallid quiver
That one things makes you literally unkillable outside of one shots (knocked off, take too long)
If you haven't, I recommend getting used to the DPS rotation for a bit on a dummy, since that's the large portion of Prot Mage Tower
frozen rose
Can tanks be targeted with the orb mechanic from mythic on smolderon? The one that requires requires the weak aura
agile dagger
What else can i be doing for this mage tower, im 56 wipes deep and my ass has been getting kicked
rapid jewel
Can tanks be targeted with the orb mechanic from mythic on smolderon? The one th...
isn't it always 1 healer, 1 melee, 2 range?
pallid quiver
What else can i be doing for this mage tower, im 56 wipes deep and my ass has be...
I got off work so I can answer, but there's really not much more you can do other than play better. Any extra consumables or anything are all so minor in comparison to the strength from talents that they won't actually help. You likely need to just practice the rotation a bit so you don't have to think about it at all so you can just focus on not getting knocked off and seeing exactly when your stacks fall off
lusty grotto
just get that warrior some gear
pallid quiver
gear won't help since it's mage tower unless it's tier
restive scroll
gear won't help since it's mage tower unless it's tier
Or socket
limpid estuary
Did they change breath on Chrono lord in Rise? I was already pre running as cast started, lept to max distance, ran some more
and it still hit me
teal swift
gear won't help since it's mage tower unless it's tier
Can't you farm like 50 sockets
BM hunter been chill this week
restive scroll
Did they change breath on Chrono lord in Rise? I was already pre running as cast...
Not last time i check, but i usually leap when cd is on 1 sec
blazing condor
Did they change breath on Chrono lord in Rise? I was already pre running as cast...
You can still jump it
Just gotta be fast + have enough space behind you
If hes closer to the edge you might not be able to get out enough
sick sentinel
my opinion about how to make pwar more competitive is choice node talent chose between mass reflect and mass shield wall for party (30% effectiveness or 50% of your sw duration if its giving party 50% sw effect)
better cc, utility, like the mage choice node mass barrier mass invis
i can fully agree that entire party takes 25% less dmg for 8s is broken so thats what i would fix it with
royal obsidian
Making intervene work on spells would be enough
sick sentinel
sure, i dont feel like pwar is total garbage, its all i play after all
just seems to lack something, im not really complaining though
median tulip
IMO one of the big problems with Protection Warrior is that we have these brand new shjiny talent trees with lots of nodes and meaningful choice... and in real terms we have less variance in viable builds than we did in the 7*3 talent days
sweet surge
Anyone know what the "U: xxxxx" refers to in the context of Damage Taken on WCLogs? Unmitigated or something?
median tulip
Anyone know what the "U: xxxxx" refers to in the context of Damage Taken on WCLo...
Probably. Also, judging by the amount of damage you took 2 charges when you still had the debuff. Don't do that.
sweet surge
I took 2 yes, because I can (on Forti)
it's also possible to parry it
I was testing it basically
I just can't make sense of this U: xxx thing
strong forum
That's the original unmitigated dmg
And in this case it's not taking the 500% increase into account
Sometimes the unmit dmg can vary depending on debuffs active on the target its not always 100% accurate
sweet surge
I see, now it makes a bit more sense, thank you!
I was just curious why it was sometimes doing 0 dmg at x2 stacks
strong forum
You can parry it
strong forum
Yeah
sweet surge
strong forum
But it's just dodge/parry
strong forum
That's why arms can always take 2 in a row
Cuz you just pop parry for the 2nd
And why brm can take all of them
sweet surge
Makes sense
but yeah, on Forti you can eat 2 as prot
but prolly limit around 27-28
since you won't have LS on the 2nd set
sick sentinel
is it worth my time to tell dps dk in groups to take mc undead for AD
im not sure how big of a dps increase that is
to mind control undead monster - reanimated honor guard
strong forum
It's pretty decent
sick sentinel
ok, i have ran 2 keys with dks low keys
and when we got to that spot they said they didnt have it
but it was something they could do and keep pet, wasnt sure how good it was for them
1 group had 2 dks, another had 1, all 3 of them i dont think did it
vocal nimbus
you can tell them to do the same in BRH 👍
sick sentinel
mind controlling the undead goop monster as an unholy disease infecting machine is a down grade - huge sad
vocal nimbus
between first and second boss of BRH dks can also MC the ghosts
sick sentinel
actually what it is right
is you keep him till after the troll boss and to like probably just after the priestess boss
but since he's mc'd hes not doing his goop, killing everyone and then you get to pick and chose when to release him
can do it when hes not going to cause a wipe and you can gank him
strong forum
MC'ing the caster is insane dps in brh
They stack up their arcane blitz to 10x
And it does north of 10k dps by itself
vocal nimbus
can do it when hes not going to cause a wipe and you can gank him
DK has to free and recast MC again to refresh teh duration between pulls
you can bring the mob for however long you want
sick sentinel
all im really advocating for, is if there is hunter can fear beast spell in the game, there is many many targets that can be hit with it and its easy to obtain
or like a juicy mc target for priest each dungeon
cc in this game some times feels like you get to a megaman boss and then you try 6 different weapons and none of them deal any dmg to him so you die
oh, that didnt work so well, next weapon
vocal nimbus
maybe it didnt work because everyone sent their cc and the mob is immune due to dr
sick sentinel
yup, and like, that overkill game ps1 game i was talking about last 3 months
showed images video of it
its very very janky, but you CAN win at it if you really struggle and fight alot
homing rockets are completely fucked, ai is fucked and only starts doing anything if if has clear line of sight on you
what im saying, is, you can do it, and you can win, but its painful, and not at all enjoyable and keys feel like this some time :S
i don't wipe in that ps1 game as much any more, because i know how to avoid alot of the attacks now
median tulip
anyone encountered a thing where the last witch in the heartsbane triad starts randomly running around the room?
lime urchin
Yes
uneven mason
Yup, last night
Did it twice
Because it reset on the first time
It ran all the way up the stairs and reset
loud wave
Guys a quick question about new tier (haven't played it yet). Does it comsume rezan trinket bleed aswell?
cinder pasture
Guys a quick question about new tier (haven't played it yet). Does it comsume re...
No, it says in the tier bonus which bleeds it works on
silent vessel
sus
toxic pewter
anyone encountered a thing where the last witch in the heartsbane triad starts r...
yep happened to me yesterday
toxic pewter
https://i.imgur.com/AveMnJ0.png
is that legendary axe fun to press or what do you think of it actually using it
median tulip
yep happened to me yesterday
Any idea what causes it? I mean I'm not complaining; she stops casting so it's less dangerous. It's just if it can be duplicated it'd be handy to know.
toxic pewter
did someone die in your group when it happened by chance? we had a death of our demon hunter and maybe thought him dying caused it or something
like targeting a dead guy perhaps or some crap
uneven mason
It'll be a problem when the fight resets on tyrannical weeks and eats 4minutes of a key
median tulip
No, nobody died. I was on my Holy Priest, people don't die on my watch.
toxic pewter
hmmm
uneven mason
did someone die in your group when it happened by chance? we had a death of our ...
100% of my group was alive and she just booked it to the 2ndvfloor
uneven mason
Yeah reset at the top of the stairs
median tulip
Wait she can run out and reset the fight?
uneven mason
Yeah
toxic pewter
tbh just normal blizzard wow code prob
median tulip
Oh fuck
toxic pewter
didnt realize she can reset we killed her before she got the chance i guess
uneven mason
Still +2d it
So the second pull she ran back and forth
But the first was a beeline to the stairs
median tulip
If you can't +2 Waycrest I question if you're even playing wow. It's this season's free key.
uneven mason
Legit no time since we were all like "wtf"
uneven mason
If you can't +2 Waycrest I question if you're even playing wow. It's this season...
Would've been a+3 if they hadn't reset
Missed it by Like 45s
median tulip
Harsh
uneven mason
Well
uneven mason
Also I pulled the entire witch room at once and they all targeted the healer at once
median tulip
The difference between the different dungeon difficulties is really bad this season. Waycrest is free, Rise is anything but.
dusky canopy
farming BRH neck
uneven mason
The difference between the different dungeon difficulties is really bad this sea...
Rise trash ffffffff
median tulip
Also I pulled the entire witch room at once and they all targeted the healer at ...
Aggro can be a real problem on the witches because they don't take damage until they have the iris
uneven mason
"how many ways can we 1shot dps
sick sentinel
you cant really pull the big tree man in start of EB can you on fort it seems
uneven mason
Aggro can be a real problem on the witches because they don't take damage until ...
I mean the basement room
sick sentinel
he seems like way too big of a time investment i would say
median tulip
Rise trash ffffffff
Bolstered Rise Trash ffffffffffuuuuuuuu
toxic pewter
Aggro can be a real problem on the witches because they don't take damage until ...
yeah the 3rd witch always aggros dps or some crap i gotta be ready to taunt immediately
uneven mason
They all bolted the healer at once
toxic pewter
it not increasing their health is a welcome change thats for sure
uneven mason
"oh your DPS didn't hard focus the Lt, guess your wiping
Brh spider miniboss
27 stacks of bolstering
median tulip
I mean the basement room
Oh man, you know the Witches that do Soul Volley? I had tank pull that whole room, get one of those 6 stacks of Bolstering and then the Soul Volley went off unkicked. Total Party Wipe from full HP. The tank still tried to blame it on me as healer.
uneven mason
Oh man, you know the Witches that do Soul Volley? I had tank pull that whole roo...
Literally this but I accept my fuckups
sick sentinel
bolstering fucking siege of bolarus
uneven mason
The ghosts all died and left us with 3 witches at 4 bolstering stacks on a 21
median tulip
There are so many bad tanks fucking up Bolstering this week
ebon geyser
wtb remove of bolstering
uneven mason
Nah
sick sentinel
wtb remove of bolstering
sure, replace it with explosive
median tulip
bolstering mother load
Have you been to Everbloom this week? Pro Tip: Don't.
uneven mason
It's ok just means we can't gigga pull unless the DPS are on top of kicks
sick sentinel
i was last night on 12 key for learning
we didnt learnding anything
hu nter dc when he saw clown fiesta
uneven mason
Have you been to Everbloom this week? Pro Tip: Don't.
Our key from the waycrest was a 23 eb
ebon geyser
just take this week as a vacation like me
fleet parcel
Hey guys which slot is our off piece?
uneven mason
Hey guys which slot is our off piece?
Whatever
median tulip
Our key from the waycrest was a 23 eb
median tulip
Hey guys which slot is our off piece?
The one with the least Haste. It there's 2 without Haste, then the one with the least Crit or most Mastery
median tulip
And I got a 21 tot
Lol, the game is trolling you. Mind you I did 18 Waycrest in Priest and it turned into 21 Rise.
Fuck that shit.
uneven mason
Which gave us 2 eb and a tot
You see, I'll do rise
Because I want the trinkets
Got gorehowl
Had a "not even my final form" moment too in a 21 ad
Warlock who's key we were doing had a "I thought prot war was crap but your health isn't moving"
Not even in defensive stance bruh
sick sentinel
im not going to use it on this item but i have 2 charges ready
strong forum
is that legendary axe fun to press or what do you think of it actually using it
yeah its very anime
and the dmg of the weapon is just stupid
uneven mason
yeah its very anime
The entire expansion could be a low budget series on Crunchyroll
median tulip
Not even in defensive stance bruh
Oh I had one of those moments in BRH last week. 10% of the entire damage I took on +20 was Kur'talos tank buster attack. Just fkn strolled through the rest of the dungeon.
sick sentinel
i need hero chest and shoulder
uneven mason
i need hero chest and shoulder
time to hit some 20s
median tulip
The healer in that +20 asked me at the start what my route was, and I was like "Imma hold W and murder anything that tries to stop me"
sick sentinel
hoping for it from vault tbh
uneven mason
hoping for it from vault tbh
Do 20s, get myth chest from vault
median tulip
Do 20s, get myth chest from vault
It worked for me 10/10 recomended
sick sentinel
i'd prefer not to get the helmet personally but whater
lilac bloom
in throne of tides.. what do u do with snap dragons cause their bleed hurts
uneven mason
this legendary quest chain making me regret selling my awakened order all that time
uneven mason
in throne of tides.. what do u do with snap dragons cause their bleed hurts
Dwarf
or die
that's basically you're options
lilac bloom
i'm human prot warrior
uneven mason
Sucks
median tulip
bring an evoker
uneven mason
Basically get in there, shockwave, roar,clap , leap and run
hit SW because you'll sitll probably have some stacks
uneven mason
Unless you're a BDK that pack is insane
median tulip
Remind yoour healer before the run starts that they bleed, which means they need to keep healing after the pack is dead
uneven mason
and even as a BDK you can hit enough stacks to just die
lilac bloom
i always end up dyijng on that
median tulip
II've diied more times AFTER the pack is dead than I have while it's alve
lilac bloom
it sux with that
but the bleed end up killing me
why they have to make warrior squishy with the bleed and nothing we do can help
median tulip
They should put Bleeds back int the list of things Bitter Immunity can clear
uneven mason
They should put Bleeds back int the list of things Bitter Immunity can clear
IDC if they remove the heal
but give me all debuffs
fleet parcel
Are there any preferred slots for the embellishments or just whatever is worst ilvl?
uneven mason
Are there any preferred slots for the embellishments or just whatever is worst i...
cloak and bracers
crafted gear caps below myth ilvl so it's the lowest impact to overall stats
sick sentinel
cloak and bracers if you can get 489 gear
you guys keep saying AD is basicalyl really free right
figure i will get 1900 by reset and then other 100 points should be a breeze
median tulip
you guys keep saying AD is basicalyl really free right
Last boss of AD is a twat. But that's by-and-large a DPS problem.
median tulip
She's fine as long as the DPS know what to do
and you just keep going round in a circle backwards
median tulip
If everyone else dies you can tank her forever and just keep kiting spiders around the edge of the room
sick sentinel
atal dazar is like contra, really hard, but i've adapted to the crap factor with that one
sick sentinel
rezan fear broke my entangling pepega
full sierra
Yo I got a question regarding Murozond's Rise, you know after that gauntlet on first boss where u have to clear thru the mobs to get to the portal, sometimes they don't activate
Why is that?
warm plinth
the keepers in dht, can u dispel the heals they do?
They only heal the blossoms, and no you can't dispel it. Just ignore the blossoms and kill the keepers/dryads
vocal flame
Happy Weekend all. I have a n00b question. I can ask someone to recraft a 463 as long as I put this in right?
It can go from 463 to 486?
sullen gust
Yeah that would work
vocal flame
ok cool ty just wanted to make sure
sullen gust
You'll have to give some mats too, but its less than the first craft cost
vocal flame
yeah just 5 mettle and some molten alloy, i just wanted to make sure i wouldnt get a 476 but I will put the private order in for highest quality
sullen gust
You get slightly less than a full myth track item
But hey its easy and your stats are exact
tidal arrow
i have a quick question about tanking heroic larodar
for the charge attack he does, i know you're supposed to run it into the lava, but are you supposed to walk or leap there? and if you leap, how do you get back before you die?
upper crow
for the charge attack he does, i know you're supposed to run it into the lava, b...
leap out, and charge back in
light dune
for the charge attack he does, i know you're supposed to run it into the lava, b...
I usually demo shout before he charges, I leap into the fire then spell block and instantly victory rush him when he's done the damage. Wait for some distance then charge/ignore pain the rest of the fire.
You come out with near full hp
hardy snow
for the charge attack he does, i know you're supposed to run it into the lava, b...
you can just run out and leap back
tidal arrow
Thank you
blazing condor
Anyone know what causes the witches in WCM to run around like a headless chicken?
Blud almost ran out the door last time i did them
sick sentinel
no idea what your on about
warm plinth
Anyone know what causes the witches in WCM to run around like a headless chicken...
recently hotifxed in bug
light dune
Happened to me yesterday
I assumed it was an intended mechanic since I've only done wcm twice lmao
sick sentinel
Waycrest Manor
Addressed a Heartsbane Triad issue where Sisters without the iris can quickly melee nearby targets upon being interrupted.
weird
blazing condor
recently hotifxed in bug
Cool
sick sentinel
is there a healer class that suffers the most in AD
i never do these things from perspective of healer, so i have no idea about stuff they do or worry about
strong forum
Not rly
sick sentinel
someone instantly created a dinosaur on 18 i attempted
like before the first fear even
oh well,
dull zodiac
what key lvl can u play dps build up to, i mean 1 min roar, 20 percent bleed amp
instead of spell block etc
is it safe in 20s?
pallid quiver
depends on your skill level and group
It's meant for keys that are relatively trivial for your general skill level
pallid quiver
So you don't need the extra stops from shockwave or anything for anyone in your group to live and you can just vibe. For some people that's 20s, others 15s,
pallid quiver
Like, you yourself don't get much survival from dropping shock wave, and if you aren't good at using spell block proactively in the first place or spending rage, you won't actually notice the loss of the other two points from spec tree
shockwave's more there to stop your DPS getting deleted by casts that are getting out and rarely for things like kiting doggos in Throne
waxen frigate
Anyone know what causes the witches in WCM to run around like a headless chicken...
apparently in an attempt to fix the fact the bosses would occasionally melee dps randomly, this happened
sick sentinel
i figure i will try to do an 18 ad over timer or not, most likely on time
20 might be too hard, but wee i guess
soft plume
okay idk what that new "archon" tier list crap is on warcraft logs
but i stg
ever since that came out
broadcasting that warriors are below every other tank
i've been nonstop shit talked in keys
for being a prot warrior
every 25 i've been in since that archon tier list thingy has shown up, someone has made negative comments about me being prot warrior
jagged pier
yes in the same tier as 4 tanks very behind
soft plume
i think prot warrior is underrated personally but im just saying its placed at the bottom and i just noticed some correlation with the people flaming :p
jagged pier
u can just ask vel how it decides where to place them
but it wont make a difference if paladin and warrior swap
if warrior isnt considered number 1 by a far margin
the community considers it shit
soft plume
yeah you're probably right about that
soft plume
i believe its based on average raider.io/m+ ratings of the top X amount of players? im not entirely sure. but i think thats the average dps in 20s specifically
pallid quiver
yo i just checked that out, they've got a survivability tier based on how often each spec dies on the raid section
that's hilarious
damn this is a funny site, i like this
heroic raid S tier popularity, Disc Priest, survivability absolute bottom tier, Disc Priest
fotm healers in shambles
blazing condor
Perfectly average
frozen rose
for smolderon, its always random at start, and after each intermission phase, to which tank gets overwhelm correct? after the first overwhelm goes out, it then swaps from tank to tank, that much I know
jagged pier
yes
frozen rose
thx
rapid jewel
is there a thing of to much haste? Currently sitting at 6985.
blazing condor
@lusty grotto
tired forge
which tank got the most dmg right now beside dh?
pallid quiver
the alt DH
jagged pier
druid
pallid quiver
which tank got the most dmg right now beside dh?
Depends on damage profile (ST, AOE) and player skill by and large, but
hot dew
i know that the ping comment says that i should craft 2 items with the shadowflame patch, but i like the embelioshment with a lot of text is better the 2 patch or a mix with the wrist with the veersa buff and one patch
valid edge
what u guys think is the best heal for prot warri to duo m+ with?
pallid quiver
whichever one keeps your dps alive
sick sentinel
does a 16 give aspects
i swear it was 17 and above
and i have 16 and i was able to use 15 to upgrade something
pallid quiver
All tanks should be relatively self-sufficient outside of very specific "lmao fuck the tank" abilities/mechanics
errant oriole
i just out healed a holy pally in a 21 :*( they were only doing 50k hps
and no damage either
left basalt
does a 16 give aspects
16 give aspects but champion gear, 17s give aspects and hero gear
tired forge
i just out healed a holy pally in a 21 :*( they were only doing 50k hps
im curious on how to get self heals as prot warrior
rapid jewel
All tanks should be relatively self-sufficient outside of very specific "lmao fu...
I hate the bleeds from the dogs in Throne
tired forge
so just ignore pain and thats our healing?
jagged pier
we are a mitigation tank
ip isnt a heal its an absorb, thats the only reason it shows up as healing
u heal through indom which is spending rage but that wont ever sustain u
and there IV
but they wont keep u alive like death strike, or wog, or frenzied regen, or expel harm,
if u want to play a tank that heals themselves as part of their kit i suggest u try bdk
median tulip
Last Stand actually heals too. But all of the things that heal us have long cooldowns. We're really all about the mitigation.
Every other tank heals more than us.
frosty mango
Should give us a skill that eats ignore pain to heal us
jagged pier
no
frosty mango
Which would definitely not be broken
median tulip
We don't need it. Just don't take any damage.
jagged pier
i dont play warrior because i want to heal myself
i like how warrior is designed thnks
toxic pewter
lol
median tulip
Last week I did a +20 BRH in which 11% of all of the damage I took was from Kur'talos tankbuster.
rapid jewel
spell block rework could be nice, if it would reduce damage taken from dots
rapid jewel
yeah but not bleeds or am i wrong there?
jagged pier
becaue bleeds are physical
median tulip
Actually it was a +18, but still, look:
jagged pier
not moagic
spell block would never stop bleeds
even if it was reworked
as it stops spells
pallid quiver
i dont play warrior because i want to heal myself
I play war to heal the 2% max HP I take every 10 seconds
pallid quiver
i always get slightly spooped when playing other tanks, especially on pull start
rapid jewel
might have to go dwarf then 🙂
pallid quiver
gathering mobs on a BDK gives me big stress sometimes
grim pilot
not moagic
I only use spell block on 1st pull there
median tulip
I've never even managed to level a DK to max
grim pilot
brh giga fun
median tulip
I have all the other tanks at max, but I keep bouncing off DK
grim pilot
love playing around dhs meta
silent vessel
only scary thing with bdk is when you dont have boneshield and dont have rune weapon
and ur about to pull a pack
grim pilot
some packs were just annihilated
got 26 rise, kinda scared to tank that key a bit ngl
median tulip
Rise sucks
waxen frigate
yes in the same tier as 4 tanks very behind
tbf it's unfortunate that it overflows to the next line in the same tier lmao
oak condor
Can prot warriors still loot the legendary from fyrakk
waxen frigate
yes
sick sentinel
torn gulch
that image is already so wrong
sick sentinel
many whelps, and we couldnt handle it, i dont understand why of all the places to bait him, there
torn gulch
kekw
this boss is so simple it hurts
you literally have one direction to bait correctly and back
tired forge
which warrior set that you always trasmog back to?
uneven mason
which warrior set that you always trasmog back to?
T10 is something sexy
jagged pier
i tend to not run a full set
tired forge
T10 is something sexy
which one is that?
jagged pier
because then bliz are doing the work for me
uneven mason
which one is that?
ICC
tired forge
yah just saw it, sick
knotty hornet
uneven mason
its ok single target
flat badge
Shadowflame on bracers still good or is allied wristguard better?
tired forge
Mythic blackrock foundry
i got that, its sickk, too bad taurens cant wear helmet properly
hollow sun
i got that, its sickk, too bad taurens cant wear helmet properly
that is what mehcagon goggles are for!
vocal nimbus
this is what peak tanking looks like
chilly brook
no this is, and I can even use that fry pan as a drying pan when it starts to ra...
no
it would be if you were still a panda tho
toxic pewter
every1 knows vulpera is
jagged pier
unreal abyss
hey, as I am gearing a new(er) warr, which slots for shadowflame patch should I look at?
vocal nimbus
wrist cape
hollow sun
this is what peak tanking looks like
what shield is that? looks pretty cool
austere sleet
where do you get the frying pan?
sick sentinel
not animation but just for tanking <:sadge:820202363359854633>
my thoughts is any of the remove X debuff type is really strong
insanely powerful to be able to just stop fear or get out of stune,
fear and stun your not supposed to get hit with them, yes
but your not playing the game essentially when it lands
somes times HUGE fail to have it
strong forum
Of whom
round pendant
Mine
round pendant
yeah
round pendant
78 active apm
540/16k rage wasted
I know how to play I just don't seem to get any damage
tho I am undergeared ig
still got s2 crafted items
toxic pewter
im doin some solid dam too
strong forum
Could've done more but I trolled twice on 3rd boss room
toxic pewter
sounds like u a nonfervider
strong forum
Haven't played much prot this season
toxic pewter
you dont respect the fervid
strong forum
Especially not since I'm geared
round pendant
removed
strong forum
Last time I played alot of prot I was 465
round pendant
Also could be cause the dungeon was so long
Dude griefed me and I got pushed off the platform and wasted like 3 minutes trying to get back to them because they didn't backtrack lmao
toxic pewter
yeah for that key level you did a 35
round pendant
THIRTY?
round pendant
I thought I was like 10-15 too low
strong forum
Nah youre below normal raid ilvl
round pendant
I really don't like the gear progression this season ngl
do +16s and don't even get the mats to upgrade the gear that I get from it
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
this seasons upgrade cadence and stuff has been better
strong forum
i am here at 454 thinking that it's okaish
All depends on your content that you're doing, but truth remains that max ilvl this season is 489
round pendant
All the dungeons feel very easy this season
sick sentinel
this is my character
and his ilvl isnt all that great
is good enough but still loads that are 480
strong forum
All the dungeons feel very easy this season
Yeah the dmg requirements are insanely low
Just play it safe and clean
And you will time the key
We had 29 deaths in AD25 and still timed it
Despite a frostmage only doing 173k dps
Same was with fall 24, clowned around a bunch with a full wipe go 2nd boss, still timed with a good chunk of time left
round pendant
yeah I've had some awful keys where I looked at the time and it's like 25 deaths 10 minutes left
Do we not use the frostfire belt anymore?
lusty grotto
round pendant
feels bad man
plucky idol
dumb question but how does fervider bite works? its always the lowest damage in details for me
plucky idol
all my abilites do more damage i mean, its always the lowest on my damage chart
warm plinth
do you have a log?
plucky idol
i guess im pressing the wrong buttons, still a newbie at prot
warm plinth
well unless you're legit just not pressing any buttons, it should be doing a lot of damage
plucky idol
i hear it should be doing alot of damage, it just doesnt for me guess im doing everything wrong..lol
warm plinth
There's nothing special that you do for it so yeah idk. Log would help
wintry tide
Quick question on Heroic Volcoross when I taunt Cataclysm Jaws I instantly get one shotted. Ill pop shield wall and shield block but it dosent seem to be doing anything... Should I pop any other cooldowns?
plucky idol
just did 8 million damage on a training dummy and FB only did 110k
that seems very low
26.8 M damage 128k fervid bite.....i dunno seems very low to me but then again i dunno
warm plinth
Have no way of knowing without log
round pendant
+18 AD mistimed because people kept stepping on spiders on the final boss
warm plinth
Weird, that's never happened once in the history of Atal'Dazar
cerulean tusk
Ya know what will stop the bird from flying into the window over and over? Telling it to stop.
Say it once, if they don't learn, ya did yer best
warm plinth
thin silo
Quick question on Heroic Volcoross when I taunt Cataclysm Jaws I instantly get o...
If you have any stacks of the debuff when it lands Jaws will murder you
Volcoross heavily punishes sloppy threat management
wintry tide
If you have any stacks of the debuff when it lands Jaws will murder you
Volcoros...
Ok that makes sense thanks
timber nest
Ok that makes sense thanks
Ya you want to have one tank tale all the stacks jaws and then the other tank taunts during cast and tanks the stacks until the next jaws cast
novel temple
Besides lowest ilvl pieces for crafted, are we also going for bracers/cloak?
And would having engineering change anything with that?
Since engineers get a helm/bracers
rapid jewel
just did 8 million damage on a training dummy and FB only did 110k
its normal that FB does no damage, if you don't pump rage into IP while testing damage on training dummy.
rapid jewel
yeah still, just wanted him to be aware FB mostly triggers on IP and if he test on training dummy and dont use IP at all, FB wont proc very much
lusty grotto
it also wont do as much damage if hes not refreshing rend with the TC reset
i would guess thats the issue and not IP itself
rapid jewel
true but useing TC is more natural on a training dummy then IP
rapid jewel
still he is playing prot since a week and my best guess is that he barely use IP to test damage on a dummy, resulting in low FB damage
uneven mason
how am I doin for trinkets 😄
ugh I guess even at 483 that sandglass isn't going to beat cataclysmic
opaque quest
i wonder when im gonna get it.. prob never <:critcake:984549832511344640>
I went all season without OCE on my DK. I feel that
uneven mason
<:sim:353616825847906304>
I did, hence why I said it doesn't match up 😄
opaque quest
All i read was "i guess"
cinder nova
I did, hence why I said it doesn't match up 😄
Brand only does better if it can properly ramp.
Lots of fights people forgo brand for Rezan's/Aug since the ramp just isn't there to get full value.
chilly brook
I'm almost 484
same 483 on my fury set
regal elm
Protection feeling strong, did a 23 EB doing big pulls with bolstering, hp just never drops 💪🏻
violet flume
bolsterered abominations make the group's hp drop thou hehe
that was mymistake this week 😦
full plant pull worth of bolster
warm plinth
I don't think petals should do on-death personally
rapid jewel
true, same with dogs in waycrest
waxen cradle
Only 457 myself but I also took a break near the start of S2 when I had some truly awful things happen to me, but bare in mind I have been back 3 days and went from 425 to 457 in 3 days so I am just working my way back into it
Long story short not gonna reach 480+ range in 3 days myself, just not realistic
rapid jewel
if you start grinding hard, you can go pretty far pretty fast, since you really don't have to manage crests a lot with the current caps.
torn geyser
i wonder when im gonna get it.. prob never <:critcake:984549832511344640>
I bought it from a guy in heroic pug raid for 80k
novel temple
I bought it from a guy in heroic pug raid for 80k
Can you trade gold cross realm now?
novel temple
👀
torn geyser
:P
warm plinth
you can trade literally anything cross-realm
novel temple
Have gdkp’s not become a thing again yet?
warm plinth
The only thing you can't do cross-realm at this point is craft
what the heck is a gdkp
novel temple
Gold dragon killer points
So instead of loot counciling with whatever system, the only thing that matters is the money
blazing condor
Idk the pre-reqs for master loot
warm plinth
I don't know what you mean by that. So you just join a pug for the purposes of selling things?
blazing condor
Basically if ur rich
torn geyser
The only thing you can't do cross-realm at this point is craft
Next expansion cross guilds
torn geyser
So i think maybe u can craft for ur guild cross realm
warm plinth
I was meaning from a trading standpoint, not in general.
These two statistics make me very sad.
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75zYMd5ke38 surprise for pwar skyhold, yogi 18 atal dazar run
i konw you guys enjoy this type of content, so its one of the things i upload
sick sentinel
its also now asmon free since -enough of you bitched about it that i removed it- i mean, i learned the option existed, also ai presidential debate free too
frigid garnet
hello guys do anyone know how to increase block dmg reduc on block ?
jagged pier
Get a higher ilvl shield
frigid garnet
470atm
jagged pier
Right but block value is the only thing that actually increases how much damage is blocked
sick sentinel
shield is the only souce of equippable block value
frigid garnet
so anyother stat wont increaes ?
sick sentinel
no, you need bigger shield if you want to block more
frigid garnet
thank u curently doing 24m+ 3days war swaped from dh and i feel like its his peak
sick sentinel
when it comes to protection warrior, shield repaired and good item level is absolutely vital
its yourlife line bread and butter gas in tank
frigid garnet
also i remove 800main stat and block dmg get higher so i was confused
jagged pier
Pvp
sick sentinel
just use the biggest ilvl shield u have
thats about it
and ask for it if you see one bigger than yours dop
orchid mural
These two statistics make me very sad.
hot take., but that`s correct dodges firestorm
vocal nimbus
thank u curently doing 24m+ 3days war swaped from dh and i feel like its his pea...
you definitely can go higher than 24 as prot war
or maybe you meant your current char
sick sentinel
These two statistics make me very sad.
thats some website i guess?
frigid garnet
or maybe you meant your current char
current stuck on 24m+ 470ilvl
jagged pier
Cant tell without logs but dont know what stuck means
U shouldnt be dying at 24s tho if thats what u mean
toxic pewter
hot take., but that`s correct *dodges firestorm*
Wild how many people undervalue battering ram.. would rather drop bloodsurge over battering ram to get disrupting shout myself
median tulip
Mmmm, Battering Ram ❤️
bold raven
hey friends! Watching other prot war streamers and it seems like I'm spamming ignore pain until my fingers bleed when pulling bigger packs in higher dungeons. I guess I'm executing the rotation wrong? Or are you experiencing the same?
frigid garnet
hey friends! Watching other prot war streamers and it seems like I'm spamming ig...
play brutal vitality and your rage and rotation get cleaner
bold raven
play brutal vitality and your rage and rotation get cleaner
❤️
toxic pewter
honestly when the rage is flowing I press ignore pain a lot to proc fervid
median tulip
hey friends! Watching other prot war streamers and it seems like I'm spamming ig...
This season's set bonus means that we get a proportionally higher number of Thunderclap casts, so we have more Rage gen from that and fewer global cooldowns to spend on Revenge (so lower Rage spend). That extra Rage needs to be spent somewhere, so it tends to mean that the off-GCD spenders get used more.
Added to that is the fact that Ignore Pain has the best chance per Rage spent to trigger the Fervid Bite part of the set bonus, so you get into a feedback loop where Spending on Ignore Pain procs Fervid Bite, which resets Thunderclap, which resets Shield Slam, which gives you enough rage to use Ignore Pain, which procs Fervid Bite again...
So you see how that works out to lots of IP casts.
sick sentinel
how to get red boy alone
this section destroyed us
go backwards down the stairs so mobs follow us down the stairs?
toxic pewter
I would use heart myself
vocal nimbus
go backwards down the stairs so mobs follow us down the stairs?
you aggro the blue pull and then LoS on the doorway
river creek
489 branch vs 489 tainted heart?
489 Heart all the way
toxic pewter
does a lot of dam and also provides some defensive benefit
vocal flame
Mirror sims better about 2k over rezens, any other thoughts on mirror?
strong forum
rezans is ST mirror is AOE
its between might of the ocean and mirror
but rezan is locked in
vocal flame
ah ok ty!
Hoping to get rezens in the vault, been farming AD for it but no luck so far
grim pilot
how do you check that I'm legit asking
can't find it on this log here
and I want to see how much I got meleed because 1 mob had 20 bolsters
didn't die but was real close
strong forum
its fine
i just played poorly
cuz SW wasnt ready 0.2sec earlier
just fuckin parry
strong forum
that sequence is actually fucking insane
10 seconds
of parrying the entire fucking world
strong forum
i cant get any upgrades from m+ anyway
only maybe for arms
get less haste
and a bit more mastery/vers
cuz i have 5k crit 7k haste and 1337 mastery and like 1.8k vers xd as arms
grim pilot
40% is what sim usually aims for so I suppose haste is at the right spot
in my experience
strong forum
i feel like i fuck up in actual keys too much as arms
i did 269k dps without aug in fall in a 21
but in a 24 i only did 210k
and im like
grim pilot
I genuinely don't know how much I'm doing because my runs are super scuffed
also
you might consider the fact
that tank in 21 had balls
and tank in 24 didnt have balls
strong forum
same group
aside from 1 pug and 1 worse dps
i just need to git gud
i dont even break 300k in BRH augless
(i also only play jugg build fuck bladestorm pad)
grim pilot
yeah jugg is good
grim pilot
I dont even know my dps ngl
strong forum
i checked some of your logs
grim pilot
I went 23 augless and did 330k there but that run was omega full of wipes
strong forum
doesnt seem tooo different
grim pilot
you mean dps or breakdown?
strong forum
but i have legendary so my overall i even more padded
nobody plays jugg that i checked so its hard to evaluate
strong forum
everybody plays bladestorm
grim pilot
best build out there
nah man imma play bladestorm
and bolster the shit out of 1 big mob
that will wipe all of us
lost wyvern
man playing blood dk a few keys and then hopping on the prot warrior is such a surreal reality check, from dying every trash pack to taking zero damage entire dungeon 
grim pilot
can't wait for the fucking leggo
strong forum
they only time your HP moves is when someone did a mistake
grim pilot
played with a guy yday