protection

[blazing condor]

thats the whole thing

[devout star]

I mean I’m assuming everyone else does the same thing of just not being right on smolderon during intermission and staying a little back to get orbs and then going in

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

then nothing u can do

[harsh trellis]

yeah, I mean, that portion of the fight is the exact same for everyone

[devout star]

Sorry for the stupid question y’all

[blazing condor]

you can check the bosses buffs to see how many orbs hes taken

and see if thats the problem

otherwise id say healer diff

[harsh trellis]

Its not a stupid question

[left basalt]

we did a heroic smoldy kill last night, was force to stack tornados at the outside of the room on the edge of the fire and just twiddle my thumbs each time because our rdruids can't dodge anything

67% uptime on boss

[harsh trellis]

I think folks focus too much on the dodge and dont realize there are arrows that shoot out that you can see to not hit your friends with tornadoes.

and then the dodge is a pixel movement

[hardy snow]

congratz 😄

[timber nest]

I mean boss should be on the edge for melee uptime and once the other tank gets the big tank soak you taunt? Right?

[left basalt]

i play fury in raids, the ranged basically said fuck you and stood wherever so forced to run to an open spot regardless if i can hit the boss or not

was told to just deal with it dps doesn't matter

[lusty grotto]

tornado people are supposed to be side by side on edge and/or on previous baits

dps doesnt matter in that fight is such an idiot take, he has an enrage

🤷

[dusky canopy]

[left basalt]

was told to sit if i didn't like it, we're finding a new guild for the next xpac

[dusky canopy]

Baiting to the edge of the ring is fine but boss should ALSO be by the edge of the ring so melee can maintain uptime

[left basalt]

100%

[lusty grotto]

yup

[dusky canopy]

Your raid lead sounds

[left basalt]

also had a mage blame my wife for "aiming" her tornados at him

[dusky canopy]

Sounds like some heroic gamers my dude

Is what it is

[left basalt]

enough bitching we killed the boss

yup

[dusky canopy]

So on our nymue kill last night

We had 9 melee right

So range was suffering soaking flowers

I had to sacrifice log to stand in range soaking flowers before 3rd add set

[left basalt]

did melee have to help?

are you in my guild

[dusky canopy]

Solid minute standing at range with thumb in rear

Fffff

[left basalt]

feels so bad

[dusky canopy]

We got the kill though I’m happy with that

[left basalt]

we had the same discussion

[uneven mason]

Literally staring at 2 warlocks being turrets 5 feet from soaks and melee are asked to go help

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[left basalt]

bUT My dPS

[dusky canopy]

Exactly that too

Not specifically warlocks

But the ranged in general

[uneven mason]

But yeah we're melee heavy

[dusky canopy]

Just being a turret

[uneven mason]

To the point I'm considering going warlock myself

[dusky canopy]

Like bro do your job so I can dps

[left basalt]

[dusky canopy]

We had two melee between add set 2 and 3 just full flower duty 0 uptime

Dafuq

[uneven mason]

I mean it is legitimate the most important thing

[dusky canopy]

It was our prog kill though and we were totally demolishing the dps check so it made sense to do it

Good call by our RL to secure us the kill

[lusty grotto]

ok just remember not to do that on reclear

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

[uneven mason]

Chances are the warlocks contributions to not stopping DPS was more than my arms ass was doing anyway

[dusky canopy]

💯

Gotta collect them fury logs

[uneven mason]

Yeah I got a heroic gore howl in a bricked 21 last night

So fury might get undeleted

[lusty grotto]

witness my collection of 2 handers

[dusky canopy]

Ngl bro annihilator feels a lot like arms I think that’s why I’m enjoying it

[left basalt]

WTB a single 483 2 hander, 50 +17 keys so far and not a single drop

[lusty grotto]

mastery is poo

[dusky canopy]

I put rampage on my ms bind, and bloodbath on my op bind, slam and whirlwind on the same binds

[lusty grotto]

ima slap you brew

[dusky canopy]

OF on CS bind

Literally plays the same

[left basalt]

I enjoy the new fury more so than S2

[dusky canopy]

Yes I hate to admit it but fury has grown on me the last few days

I’m totally a arms guy too

But..
Anni build fuk good

[left basalt]

I haven't played arms since MOP

[uneven mason]

It's so zero brain

Fury

[dusky canopy]

LOL tru

[uneven mason]

Hit CDs

[left basalt]

zugzug

[uneven mason]

Ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp BB ramp

[dusky canopy]

Bro you gotta hit CDs in the right order atleast or your damage poo poo

Lmfao

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

It feels so bad watching a SD proc time out and without using because
bloodbath>rampage>bloodthirst>exe

Going from arms where SD>>>>>MS>OP

To fury prio

Literal brain deplete

[uneven mason]

Wtb arms buffs

Just 5%

[dusky canopy]

I hope they buff arms

I want to do big execute gamer

I’m only doing fury for prog

[uneven mason]

Hell, 5% on execute would probably put us in the top half

Fury has that survival

[dusky canopy]

Yeah bro it’s not even close

[uneven mason]

Lot more passive healing

[dusky canopy]

10% dr while enraged

10% dr from vers

[uneven mason]

NGL though I saved a prog kill with dbts

[dusky canopy]

Theirs another one I’m not remembering

[uneven mason]

Dbts and taunt to eat a soak on smokderon

[dusky canopy]

I’m pretty sure I healed myself more than my healers on our nymue kill

Brew the Warrior healer

[vocal flame]

This reaction killed me

[timber nest]

Fam “for next xpac” that’s like a year out l. Find one now

[vocal flame]

You will be raiding with AI soon anyway dont worry about it

[blazing condor]

i already raid with AI

absolute idiots

[uneven mason]

I was doing that at first, and then I said fuckem and started just standing where I wanted, I can dodge shit

[left basalt]

i can dodge shit, the ranged cannot, hence my responsibility to make the orbs tornados as easy as possible

make it make sense

[grim furnace]

learning to master being a melee class makes being a ranged/healer so much easier

learning to dodge shit up close prepares u for dodging it at range

If you can dodge a 🔧 you can dodge a ⚽

[uneven mason]

Then you have ranged that think they're melee

And drop extra poop in melee forcing you to move out

[grim furnace]

sounds like a hunter and mage thing

[uneven mason]

Shadow priests

[onyx pike]

maybe someone can help me out here.
I crafted the shield w shadowflame and the bracers. I have the cloak from DHT with haste/crit and I'm not sure what to craft/if to craft a 2nd shadowflame? Because then I have to replace the bracers, right?

[lusty grotto]

you crafted the wrong bracers

youre 2/2 embelishes anyway

#268491842637660160

if you wish to replace your shield you gotta re-do bracers and do cloak

for now, do cloak

[uneven mason]

Not that embellishment is high enough impact to matter

There I said it!

[lusty grotto]

right

[uneven mason]

I'm going to upgrade my UFFB

[lusty grotto]

shadowflame bracers are my next craft

[uneven mason]

So I can be a burning snowflake

[lusty grotto]

since i had to craft allied for arms

and after that BR bracers

that will be it for me

maybe up a belt or something to have BR bracers as an option etc

and then there's nothing 🙂

[uneven mason]

I did shadow flame bracers and uh...I think since I replaced my shield I don't have a second

Should just make cloak I guess

Actually yeah cloak is my last piece that isn't at least heroic

[dusky canopy]

I’m going double rings next reset I think

Debating holding 30 aspects so I can do two 486 rings

[summer bay]

I am debating which race to switch my prot warrior to.... .currently he's Kul Tiran. Torn between the awesome armor models of human (and the rep gain) and DI Dwarf because they just look cool. (not sure how much of a benefit that indoor move speed is)

[uneven mason]

Dwarf

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf is bis

Human also looks good

[uneven mason]

Like, dwarf is the only answer

[lusty grotto]

if its for looks alone, any is fine

[dusky canopy]

You can honestly pick your flavor

[summer bay]

DI Dwarf or Vanilla Dwarf

[lusty grotto]

but dwarf IS bis

any

most of us go reg

[dusky canopy]

Vanilla dwarf

[lusty grotto]

for just a tad more crit

but either is bis

[uneven mason]

Either, I enjoy bronzebeard heritage more than the Minecraft armor DI gets

[real fossil]

stoneform mega value

[plush sorrel]

go Worgen.. you can be a beast in combat or handsome for mog-off

[royal marten]

Flaming hot dwarf gets mole machines

[lusty grotto]

same i enjoy vanilla dwarf more, edgy looks are stupid

[uneven mason]

I always forget about this, even when I'm playing Mactier

[dusky canopy]

This

[royal marten]

Dark iron dwarves kinda only work with a few transmogs

plus they don't have the mohawk

[uneven mason]

But the fire beard

Like I appreciate the firebeard

[royal marten]

C'mon tho it's RIGHT THERE

[summer bay]

Yeah that fire beard is tempting... then again... how often do we see our character's face?

[royal marten]

face? none

[uneven mason]

Are you me?

[royal marten]

beard, always

Warhammer dwarf slayer is a peak aesthetic and it's a shame at no point have we gotten beard armor like Ironbreakers

[summer bay]

Oooooo you just sold me on the Slayer

[royal marten]

Get that furry little shield and an axe and presto, protslayer

[royal marten]

Big Dwarf energy

[uneven mason]

Gorehowl matches the Bronzebeart armor, change my mind

[royal marten]

It does match well

definitely wonder what the new big dwarves are gonna have racial wise

[uneven mason]

Probably this

So you can have stoneform on horde

[plush tendon]

I dont think it matters if Horde gets stoneform since cross faction is a thing

would rather them get something a bit more..... unique

like a tunnel dash 😄

that would be cool

[uneven mason]

AE Root

causes rock hands to pop up and grab baddies

[plush tendon]

personally, I think stoneform (PVE content) is a bit too strong at least recently

[uneven mason]

Only because they've got a hard on for DoTs and not giving tanks a way to deal with them

[plush tendon]

100%

but its also strong for DPS

like, witches in WM

whole group is dwarf, nettles is a non issue

likewise though, if the whole group is humans, the tree boss becomes a lot easier

[lusty grotto]

bleed reflect

🙂

LOL

[dusky canopy]

That’s what we need

Only warrior

Bleed immune

[plush tendon]

that bitter immunity talent for wars should have worked like stoneform

[dusky canopy]

^

[uneven mason]

remove the heal

just make it remove all debuffs

[plush tendon]

but I do really like the concept of stoneform and fireblood; I like seeing my warrior grow when I press Avatar and Stoneform together!

I just think in current PVE meta, they way too strong at a 2min CD

on top of the 2% crit damage

[uneven mason]

Like, if they want stoneform to be less critical, stop making bleeds that stack up to 1million damage

like, dogs in ToT, literally fucking stop

that one pack before 1st boss is just not fun if you're not a Dwarf or have a Prevoker

[plush tendon]

I push on a BDK, so its no problem for me

but yea, when I did it on my war Im like 'the fuck is this shit???'

[uneven mason]

even as a dwarf on fort weeks I can remove the bleeds and if they don't die within the stun window, I'm still popping all my CDs to not get eaten when they instantly restack

Spiders in BRH is another one

"Hope my healer is payin atten...nope

[strong forum]

Fun fact

If you have a full absorb on you, the dot doesn't apply

From the spiders

So fyrakk trinket is OP on that pull

[echo egret]

If only these would exist…

[strong forum]

I mean yeah on my war im still running gift+signet

[solemn current]

do hwhat

[silent vessel]

good evening

[uneven mason]

My BDK has the Fryguy trinket

[plush tendon]

which one?

[uneven mason]

big shield

[plush tendon]

oh, same

[lusty grotto]

thats why coccoon is super great for that pull

[plush tendon]

I think its alright... I dont like the vers on it and the damage is alright I guess

[solemn current]

~6-7% damage between passive and shield while being a good defensive option is pretty good I feel like.

[plush tendon]

I guess; it felt nice in keys Ill give ya that

but in raid for sure feels weaker then other options at least for damage

[solemn current]

Yea I can't speak for raid but I can't think of many trinkets that far outperform it while giving no defensive value in dungeons. None that provide both.

[plush tendon]

Gnarlroot's Branch slaps

plus, main stat

[solemn current]

Ye but no defensive value besides main stat

[lusty grotto]

yeah im kinda glad that blizz decided to spice tank trinkets this time around

both rageheart and ursine are interesting changes

[plush tendon]

im a little upsetty spaghetti that its all from raid though

[toxic pewter]

what first pull do you guys do in dawn

[plush tendon]

on not bolstering?

[toxic pewter]

no this week i mean

[plush tendon]

after tried rise yet...

[toxic pewter]

people want to lust first pull but still not sure how much to get

[lusty grotto]

you triple into giant

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[plush tendon]

but usually I pull first 5 into first homie, homie drops shield and then we pull maiden lady

and lust

[lusty grotto]

thats 2 kicks and a shitton of bleeds you gotta pay attention to but...

[toxic pewter]

def not chaining into maiden

[uneven mason]

loving Compstomp as arms lol

[lusty grotto]

you can use the shield to mitigate bleeds

[plush tendon]

Maiden ball, if aimed well, does damage to mobs and stuns

[toxic pewter]

wait that shield mitigates damage for us too?

[lusty grotto]

yup

and yup

[plush tendon]

honestly, to time rise is like 100% that first trash area

you do that area well, and key is free

[lusty grotto]

if the group is smart

they will stand inside the shield

in case a corrupting volley goes off

[plush tendon]

me and my group share one braincell

and we do fine

[lusty grotto]

which it shouldn't but shit happens

[plush tendon]

[toxic pewter]

those volleys are awful

[plush tendon]

one melee kick for each is basically required

and then you let the other things go through

[uneven mason]

oh holy crap, Comp stomp takes 5min tops and gives 35 flightstones

[plush tendon]

thats another thing.... way too many kicks in recent dungeons

[uneven mason]

This is why VDH is meta

because they can lock down an entire pack

just 1 sigil

[plush tendon]

I mean, its very good

in tankiness, damage, util

[uneven mason]

yeah, all the tanks are up there though tbh

tank balance still good, but the ability to interrupt/silence reliably is huge

[plush tendon]

I just think in general... way too many kicks

[uneven mason]

Paladin is doing great too because frisby

[plush tendon]

I would like to see blizz remove the amount of classes that can kick..... and reduce the amount of kicks in dungeons

[waxen frigate]

Vdh is an outlier in damage atm

In addition to bringing the best dungeon utility currently other than maybe Paladin

[sick sentinel]

vdh is also an outlier in superior kiting and superior cc

[plush tendon]

VDH always had awesome dungeon util

[waxen frigate]

First part fuck no, second part yes

[waxen frigate]

Kiting is rare

[uneven mason]

VDH has almost always been top damage tank

[sick sentinel]

when warrior was overpowered, it was simply because we did alot of dmg

[plush tendon]

VDH no longer has to kite

[waxen frigate]

It hasn’t been all xpac

[sick sentinel]

and it dont feel nice or right

that we have lil bit dmg

[waxen frigate]

Nor was it in SL

[sick sentinel]

and then they get fuck loads of stuff

[waxen frigate]

Vdh s1 was dogshit

[sick sentinel]

when it comes time for balancing of tanks

[waxen frigate]

Vdh s2 was propped up by the most broken tank tier set I’ve seen

[plush tendon]

2nd most

dont forget SL BDK

[waxen frigate]

I’m not

[uneven mason]

Lunchbox

[waxen frigate]

I mean the tier set itself, not the overall spec

[sick sentinel]

VDH has always been a popular tank except for like bfa

and even then i didnt see them cuz i played tank

[waxen frigate]

The tier set was powerful enough to make a dumpster tier base spec into a very strong tank

[lusty grotto]

damage is okay atm, they just need to look at utility/control

[waxen frigate]

Whereas in SL BDK was already decent, plus gavel, and then tier just capped it off

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if the answer is to nerf utility

[plush tendon]

I mean gavel made BDK do silly damage

[lusty grotto]

but instead nerf the amount of fucking ccable shit in dungeons

[plush tendon]

but DRW uptime is what do it IMO

[waxen frigate]

Exactly that’s my point. SL BDK wasn’t due to just the tier set, which is why imo vdh 10.1 tier is the biggest

DRW uptime was def insane but aoe brand uptime is simply better

[plush tendon]

I dont agree

DRW 100% uptime, 40% strength is silly

[sick sentinel]

yogi hot take time

[waxen frigate]

It was what perma 40% parry + str that was fairly skill reliant vs perma 40% AOE DR + fire damage amp?

[plush tendon]

brand had to spread

[sick sentinel]

i'd play something other than pwar if it wasn't ball busting just to get invited to groups

[lusty grotto]

yeah i have to agree with Nish

[tired forge]

what do u guys think of our tierset this patch? seems a bit underwhelimg

[waxen frigate]

Like if vdh wasn’t at its core a horrible spec pre-rework, it would’ve been god emperor tier

[lusty grotto]

its not underwhelming at all

shit take

[plush tendon]

Prot Warrior tier is very cool

[sick sentinel]

but retail wow is just way too uptight for dps requirements

[lusty grotto]

here comes the asmongold take

[sick sentinel]

fights are too hard as dps

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

lol

[plush tendon]

IDK, this is the tier of healers imo

[lusty grotto]

i know cause i have a buddy that fucking watches him religiously

so when yogi drops a take

and its the same fucking thing as him

i know

they are just parroting asmongold talking points

[sick sentinel]

its just not fun going into a 22 and getting my booty smashed in everytime by some frostbolt bro cuz he didnt get kicked one time out of his 20 frostbolts so the frost bolt that did go off hits the healer and 1 shots them leading to deplete

[lusty grotto]

this hasnt changed since legion

you HAD to kick shit in legion keys

[sick sentinel]

im sorry, its really not

[lusty grotto]

if you didnt you wouldnt get to 20s

and a lot of people didnt

people are just finding out how to get better

[waxen frigate]

What does that have to do with dpsing being hard

[plush tendon]

cause they cant zug zug rotation

[chilly brook]

[sick sentinel]

its so much cancer and worst, you have FIVE players doing the exact same things

[lusty grotto]

its a dogshit asmongold take

its a team game

[sick sentinel]

4 of them have to do it nearly perfect

[lusty grotto]

no, not perfect

[waxen frigate]

But you don’t

[chilly brook]

Bro you play tank

[waxen frigate]

They’re doing different things

[chilly brook]

Prot warrior specifically

[waxen frigate]

Tanks, healers, and Dps all are conscious of different shit

[chilly brook]

A tank that gets fucked hard if people don’t kick specific casts

[solemn current]

No different than a prot warrior being pelted by an absurd amount of bolts because your dps don't deem them worthy of kicks/stops.

[chilly brook]

You can’t be serious with this dps take

[sick sentinel]

its not just me 1 guy and i fuck up a mission and i lose a ton of hp and take the heals on the map and i realized within 10 minutes of a 45 minute mission i can just restart the mission

and it doesn fuck over 5 people

[lusty grotto]

this aint a solo game

[sick sentinel]

thats my point

[waxen frigate]

What are you even saying

[lusty grotto]

your team either delivers, or it doesnt

kicking aint hard

[sick sentinel]

im saying that the difficulty in wow, is too much

and i dont enjoy it

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[chilly brook]

Ok so go play classic boomer

[lusty grotto]

with the amount of garbage that has been removed from keys i would say its actually easier than previous expansions

no seasonals

[waxen frigate]

20s are easier than they’ve ever been

They’re a fucking joke

[chilly brook]

Agreed

[sick sentinel]

nah, im not into classic either

[waxen frigate]

What annoys me personally is the fact it feels like keys do literally nothing until you suddenly hit a wall where it’s insanely hard

[chilly brook]

Ok so stop playing wow lol

[sick sentinel]

im into classic gaming really ps1 ish era

[waxen frigate]

+2-19 is literally worthless

[waxen frigate]

Like quake?

[sick sentinel]

so, i'll go and get my ksm

[chilly brook]

You haven’t gotten KSM yet…..

[plush tendon]

honestly too true

[chilly brook]

Wtf

[lusty grotto]

imagine doing 20s with ghunnies and thinking this fucking season is "hard"

jesus christ

[chilly brook]

How can you even think this season is hard?????

[waxen frigate]

KSM is a completely meaningless achievement. Even KSH is much easier than say AOTC

[timber nest]

Yup! Even some 20s are jokes. Went in and +3d a 20 AD the other night

[waxen frigate]

Key difficulty and scaling needs a complete overhaul

[waxen frigate]

All 20s are jokes

If you aren’t completely brainrotten

[lusty grotto]

even thundering wasnt on the same plane of difficulty as ghuunies

not even fucking close

[timber nest]

Agreed. It took me a week but I got my 5 alts doing weekly 20s

[sick sentinel]

and its, there's guides and videos and shit that tell me what i gotta do, mostly if i post here its
"why did i die" > "you didnt shield block, reflect, ip , and you aimed it at the group and blah bla bla" OR its , i died cuz i was trying to show off

[timber nest]

Low lug keys are horrendous

[waxen frigate]

For sure

And that’s kinda the issue

Is that that 2-19 range is full of absolute droolers

[sick sentinel]

and so like, its useless for me to post here besides confirme i got hit by whatever mechanic

[lusty grotto]

yogi youre repeating a guy that does not play wow retail at all, try again

[waxen frigate]

Even 20s now, which I just do bc I Cba with m+ this season, there tends to be at least 1 person way below the tank’s dmg

[lusty grotto]

because asmongold does absolutely not play retail at all, except maybe to get carried by dorki

[waxen frigate]

Like I had a bm hunter in a 21 DHT do 140k overall

[torpid rose]

Bring back ghunnie rage quits, probably one of the most toxic affixes

[waxen frigate]

And he was like 480

Like what the actual fuck

How

[dusky canopy]

No wa I’m just learning this

[waxen frigate]

Almost depleted a 20 wcm this week because our priest was doing 60k HPS overall.

People were just rotting out through defensives

[sick sentinel]

there is just too high of a knowledge ummmm

[lusty grotto]

no

there isnt

its the same or slightly easier

[sick sentinel]

maximum memory allocation, and then actually remembering the shit

[waxen frigate]

No, there is. The issue is that you don’t have any reason to learn until it starts to one shot you

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sick sentinel]

there is a billion things you need to remember

[lusty grotto]

i guess that's true

[chilly brook]

No it’s “useless” because you’ve never bothered to dedicate effort to getting better at the game for the last 3+ years

[waxen frigate]

So you get up into mid-20s keys not even knowing what mechanics do. Because 2-20 is worthless

[sick sentinel]

its too much, so ill do my KSM of shame

[lusty grotto]

literally mind controlled by an asmongold take

[sick sentinel]

thats about it, and stay quiet until im excited again

[waxen frigate]

Like I don’t even understand how you possibly fail or struggle in a key below a 16

Let alone single digits

Seeing depleted 8s and shit

Mind boggles me

[chilly brook]

My friend who has never played wow before is pugging 16s

Like keys are not too difficult

[timber nest]

Let’s below 16s don’t get depleted because people are dieing, they get depleted because someone leaves

[waxen frigate]

I started playing in s1 shadowlands and I remember 17s beating my ass even though at that point I was purple parsing heroic and blue parsing mythic

[sick sentinel]

i just, i prefer something that i dont have the capability

[waxen frigate]

People leave because everyone doing those keys has the collective intelligence of a bullfrog

[sick sentinel]

to fuck up OTHER peoples time

[timber nest]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

and take them for a ride and screw them over as well

[lusty grotto]

you are

you are fucking other people's time

[timber nest]

Pull your own weight and know the mechanics and you won’t

[lusty grotto]

if you dont know what you need to do

[waxen frigate]

Or just don’t suck

You do not need to know mechanics to time 20s and that’s a problem

[timber nest]

That’s just the default theme this season 😁

[chilly brook]

Also read as “I don’t want to put in the effort to get good at the game and be at fault because of it”

[waxen frigate]

I’m part of that problem admittedly. I literally get explained shit by guildies during our keys bc I haven’t bothered learning because I don’t need to

[timber nest]

https://tenor.com/view/willj-oprah-oprah-winfrey-winfrey-you-get-a-car-gif-5648268094118765988

[waxen frigate]

To get the highest rewards from the content

I don’t think even a good player should be able to just yolo a 20 blindly

M+ has zero progression other than title push

[dusky canopy]

Surely you guys recognize the bubble we all hang out in right?

[timber nest]

I had to explain the tank leech mechanic on p3 mythic larodar last night, after 50 pulls

[chilly brook]

I mean some people also don’t need nearly as much heads up knowledge about what’s going on, when I’m really practiced at wow I basically just go in and react to the new mechanics without watching a video tbh

[dusky canopy]

KSM is a massive achievement for most people in this game

AOTC is a massive achievement for most people in this game

[sick sentinel]

actually you put it that way

[waxen frigate]

Every time someone says this I feel the need to point out I’m well aware of my skill level relative to the average player

I help friends get ksm every season

[dusky canopy]

So do I

[sick sentinel]

people straight up pay real money for ksm/aotc

[waxen frigate]

RPers, mount collectors, that sort of thing

But the thing is they know the content is easy

[chilly brook]

KSM is markedly easier this expac compared to others tbh

[dusky canopy]

Yes that is fair

[waxen frigate]

Even they are capable of doing it without much effort

[dusky canopy]

It is easier

[sick sentinel]

so, ksm and aotc CLEARLY has a strong value

[waxen frigate]

They just don’t bother

[waxen frigate]

People give foreign scammers thousands of dollars

Does that mean those are valuable

No. People are just lazy/stupid

[junior olive]

can someone explain how to reflect all 4 bats in darkheart?

[sick sentinel]

anybody willing to pay 50 bucks to have his friends or others carry them through a raid for aotc

[waxen frigate]

And it’s ok to be bad at the game

[chilly brook]

People pay real money as well as gold to skip leveling in DF zones, I fail to see your point

[sick sentinel]

right, like, thats a serious player and they want to display it

[lusty grotto]

i mean you dont even need to pay, you get max rewards at 17s

[waxen frigate]

The issue is the game does not provide a good progression to help you gradually go from bad to good in mythic+

18s I thought

But yea

[lusty grotto]

18s yea

[sick sentinel]

the problem is up to 14's keys are a literal built for 10 year olds (dumb kind)

allowing for like 3 wipes

and you can STILL time

[dusky canopy]

That is not a problem

It encourages the players at that skill level to complete the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

they are such a steam roll up to 15 its not even funy

[chilly brook]

Bro I’ve had 3 wipes in 20s and still timed

[lusty grotto]

https://youtu.be/GxKaIl4L8-U?si=XmB5RywiU0Y444Tu&t=1265 here, my buddy linked the point

[chilly brook]

The timers are fuckin lenient lol

[dusky canopy]

You cannot cry about wow being to hard and then say 15s are steam roll

[lusty grotto]

WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE RIGHT NOW?

[waxen frigate]

It is. Why do so many key levels exist when there isn’t a meaningful progression gap until a high level

[sick sentinel]

its true though

[waxen frigate]

Like 2-10s have no need to exist

Just make them one key level

Make a 10 hard

We need a key level squish imo

[chilly brook]

I like Asmon, but his retail takes are cooked

[lusty grotto]

its not true, youre parroting them KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THIS SEASON ISNT EVEN CLOSE TO HARD

[chilly brook]

He’s a washed player

[dusky canopy]

I do agree with this

[lusty grotto]

because yogi, you were around in legion and you were around in BFA

[sick sentinel]

it is for me due to knowledge

[waxen frigate]

All of his takes are cooked. He’s just a contrarian who thinks being a contrarian makes him more intelligent than the masses

[dusky canopy]

We do not need +30 keys

[chilly brook]

He can’t come to terms with the fact that he’s the problem

[dusky canopy]

Make 20s the hardest again like legion

[lusty grotto]

nah nish not all of his takes are bad

[sick sentinel]

i skipped all of the dungeons in this season the 2 legion ones and the everbloom one

[waxen frigate]

The majority I’ve seen are

[lusty grotto]

but that retail one is, cause he doesnt even play retail anymore, and also because its 100% bullshit

[chilly brook]

I don’t really agree with this

[sick sentinel]

i know fall and 2 bfa dungeons

[waxen frigate]

All of his WoW takes are awful

[silent vessel]

i am in lfr and this second tank is STACKED with gear

but sits in d-stance

he has 481 ilvl

wtf

[waxen frigate]

I don’t think we need them in week 5. Which is where we’re at rn

I don’t think 20s should be a week 1 staple

[vocal flame]

Ebay account purchase

[lusty grotto]

some people forget

[lusty grotto]

its fine

[silent vessel]

pepehands

[lusty grotto]

oh a scale user

[silent vessel]

he should have noticed after he did only 50k dps

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[chilly brook]

Scale and rage heart

[lusty grotto]

well rageheart is fine

[dusky canopy]

I agree with asmons take about infinite scaling, I would personally like an end goal in M+ just like we have in Mythic raid

[toxic pewter]

that man defensives

[chilly brook]

You have rageheart you don’t need scale

[lusty grotto]

true

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t make sense with m+

[sick sentinel]

i have hero version of haste one

[waxen frigate]

I think infinite scaling is fine. What I think is dumb is when m+ streamers complain about like +32 keys being too hard/impossible

[chilly brook]

The whole idea behind it was for an infinite scaling difficulty and the rewards are stopped after a certain point anyways

[sick sentinel]

got it through TW, got 4 more hero vault keys to run, might as well do those

[waxen frigate]

There’s always going to be an upper limit

Accept that

[lusty grotto]

agreed nish

[chilly brook]

And even in legion there wasn’t a cap

[dusky canopy]

It’s not a hill I would stand on firmly, I’m just saying that I agree with the idea

[vocal flame]

@sick sentinel think the higher you go in M+ the more communication is needed and its a lot harder for pugs

[sick sentinel]

i think normal keys should start from 1-10 and past that is bonus points, maybe 15's

[vocal flame]

@sick sentinel I think even Pika said there was a pug limit at like 22ish and that is generous haha

[sick sentinel]

and then 25 and 30 key if you time it

its you win the game at that point

[lusty grotto]

nah thats not the pug limit

pugs can do 25s

[chilly brook]

I’ve pugged 24s

It’s not hard

[sick sentinel]

if you can do a 25 or 30, you just fuckin win and you like get a token for mythic raid gear any item except final boss

[lusty grotto]

26+ is the pug limit

[waxen frigate]

This tier? Fuck no lmao

[vocal flame]

Actual pug or did you filter with io score or whatever it is

[waxen frigate]

?

[chilly brook]

The game filters wdym….

[waxen frigate]

As opposed to inviting the first 4 people who apply?

[vocal flame]

no not that lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah 25/26 is when it gets very hard to pug

[chilly brook]

You put key up, people apply and you see their rating?

[lusty grotto]

at 25s and 26s you need to be coordinated, maybe voice if necessary

[chilly brook]

Not sure what you mean

[lusty grotto]

maybe even a little before that

[waxen frigate]

Mmm not really if the players are good

One of my friends is like 3.3K rn and hasn’t done any voice comms

[lusty grotto]

right that's coordination

[chilly brook]

Most of the keys I’ve timed for IO have been pugs

Including my 23s and up

I’m almost at 3k io as a dps from pugging

[dusky canopy]

Same

I do have some guild keys as well tbf

[waxen frigate]

Last season I did like 3.1k or something without ever using discord other than just hanging with friends/guild

[dusky canopy]

But 23 is very puggable

[lusty grotto]

i didnt do voice at all last season either

except when with friends

[dusky canopy]

We did that 24 without coms

[lusty grotto]

brew was on a run with me and we werent in voice lol

last season

[waxen frigate]

I was in voice for the couple of 25s I ran but that was more just hanging out bc friends invited me to tank

[tired forge]

how often do u use Revenge?

[waxen frigate]

Not like us trying to push io

[chilly brook]

Anyone who is saying the game is too hard rn just doesn’t play the game or refuses to put any effort in

[lusty grotto]

very little

with tier

[chilly brook]

Honestly not much

[teal swift]

Combined group DPS of 137k

0 kicks or stops

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I don’t understand how you do that lmao

[dusky canopy]

I use whirlwind since it 360s and revenge doesn’t

[waxen frigate]

Like you’re just half afk at that point

[lusty grotto]

LOl

[waxen frigate]

Galaxy brain

[sick sentinel]

honestly. i was going to run a 20 wcm that one night i did a 19

[teal swift]

Idk, my hunter at like 418 was doing 60-70k and I'm objectively shit at videogames

I can't say 20s are hard we failed a 21 EB this week

[waxen frigate]

Like if you put in the bare minimum of effort

[teal swift]

But mechanically they don't seem hard

[tired forge]

its such a cool skill yet we dont use it much

[sick sentinel]

but i was getting declined after completing the 19 and i tried like 4 or 5 groups and it was late and night monday

and then ya

[teal swift]

But pugging can be iffy

[sick sentinel]

it just never happened

[waxen frigate]

You can easily do 100k+ on a Dps character that has gear from at least last tier

[silent vessel]

20s this season are basically 18s of last season it feels like

[chilly brook]

Idk, I’m trying to help a friend who hasn’t played since WotLK who’s struggling to do like 40k overall at like 450

[waxen frigate]

As what spec

[teal swift]

I mean, to be fair, I'd rather just not run keys than have someone like you tank

[chilly brook]

Outlaw

[waxen frigate]

Outlaw is fairly hard, especially if they’re coming from wotlk

But still

[dusky canopy]

Outlaw punishes mis play hard iirc

[sick sentinel]

thats fair i dont blame you

[waxen frigate]

Blade flurry, ambush/ss, and dispatch id imagine are more than enough to just get you higher numbers than that

If you press them a reasonable amount

[dusky canopy]

WHOLE UP

Who is this guy

Don’t disrespect my yogster bro

[chilly brook]

I mean I think the biggest problem is he’s either going to need to start key binding or be stuck where he is

[teal swift]

It's not disrespect.

[waxen frigate]

Oh if he’s clicking as outlaw

That explains it lmao

[teal swift]

I've known Yogi for years though

[dusky canopy]

Yogster is the king of doom

[hollow sun]

Outlaw without keybindings?

[teal swift]

Arcane mage typing all skill inputs

Do it

/cast arcane blast

[chilly brook]

Bro yogi has been struggling to do KSM since beginning of SL, he hasn’t bothered to get better and never will

[sick sentinel]

i am no master of doom sadly

[teal swift]

Yogi is happy

[dusky canopy]

I know I’ve been here to answer all the questions too

[teal swift]

I despair failing easy content.

[sick sentinel]

there are tons of tricks you can do in doom very famous one being bfg shots

[teal swift]

I'm jealous of Yogi lmal

[sick sentinel]

im very bad at doom so i just face bfg everything

[teal swift]

I wish I could be that dad gamer and chill

[hollow sun]

He is superior

[teal swift]

Being shit, and not wanting to be shit, leads me to depression

[sick sentinel]

the best way i know to use bfg is to line it up so it collides with the enemy and does damage twice

[teal swift]

Yogi just vibing

[dusky canopy]

Yogi have you timed a 20 yet?

[chilly brook]

I couldn’t

Like legit couldn’t

[hollow sun]

Also, keeps talking about stuff no one knows about

[dusky canopy]

Maybe I can get ghash to run one with us

Iirc we said we’d do one with you

[chilly brook]

If I don’t have something to grow at in WoW; then it’s really not that engaging

[teal swift]

My hunter hit 70 late last week

[chilly brook]

There’s better games out there if you wanna just chill

[teal swift]

Am currently gearing

[sick sentinel]

here, look this is is how to get max dmg out of bfg

[silent vessel]

dirty hunter abusers

[sick sentinel]

im so bad at doom, i cant even do that properly

[dusky canopy]

Look at slide 3

[teal swift]

I'm having fun

[dusky canopy]

Yogi is already prepped to leap out of dios frontal

[chilly brook]

Bm is fun

[silent vessel]

i did a 20 with my 447 ilvl hunter but i died alot

[teal swift]

BM hunter is actually an interesting spec, while rotationally the equivalent of a fisher Price set, it's been engaging and fun

[silent vessel]

we still timed it

:kekl:

[sick sentinel]

i prefer rockets and chain gun

and as i got older, i now prefer the doom 1 single fire shot gun over ssg

i prefer the straight cosistant line pattern

[teal swift]

The actual DPS requirements for 18-20 keys is really low lmao

Don't wipe on bosses

Pull reasonably

And you can time most keys pretty well

[dusky canopy]

I’ve done a 20 BRH in time by like 6-7 minutes with the rest of the party besides myself below 100k

Also a very easy timer though

Point being they’re doable

[teal swift]

Yeah, some keys are tighter than others

[dusky canopy]

Just try

[chilly brook]

This was an 18

We still timed it comfortably

[dusky canopy]

Holy!

Augury fuks good

[chilly brook]

Augury owns

[teal swift]

I have not ran all that many

But probably KSH angle next week?

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t had time to push io sadly.. I’m still sitting on a lot of 22s from like 3 weeks ago lol

[teal swift]

I'm uh just not very good

And pugging is despair

I'd like to push with a mediocre 5 man

[chilly brook]

Got a 99 on nymue last night

[teal swift]

Oh pog

[dusky canopy]

Soft goal this season is all 24s going to shoot for 25/26 if I can convince guildies to bring a warrior

[chilly brook]

Committed to a 3 tank bit

For the memes

[dusky canopy]

Wait 3 tank!?

[chilly brook]

Was on the monk up until nymue and swapped cuz I needed heroic crests

Homie was like “you can just go dps”

[dusky canopy]

LOL

Bing chillin

[chilly brook]

And I said “nah I wanna hit things with shield” so it turned into a “I’ll just do everything I can to take aggro” battle

Was funny

Good meme

[chilly brook]

One of the healers was just like “can you just go dps?!?”

Little did they know

[dusky canopy]

Hell yeah homie blastin

[uneven mason]

"I am a DPS"

[sick sentinel]

i see now

well, the one guy was 450, i thought that said 480

[plush tendon]

I mean.... I was timing 20s with everyone in last seasons gear

[teal swift]

DPS leave 50% performance on the table and then spend 17 hours simming gems and whining about class balance

[sick sentinel]

the druid and evoker are actual gamers

480 ilvl and 4 set

nearly 3 k

[chilly brook]

So true king

I should be ok with this but the 80s bother me

[teal swift]

80 on prog screams you're playing correct though

[chilly brook]

But it could be better

📈

[teal swift]

100%

But at least it wasn't grey or worse green

[chilly brook]

True

Volcoross is a lot of fun tbh

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRm7REkWGQ surprise yogi video +19 wcm

its not fully HD so you might not be able to make everything out

but its finishing

[hazy bronze]

Yogi Portals this season :pog:

[lusty tiger]

Gz

[sick sentinel]

recorded this 11 days ago

[teal swift]

I'm not a fan of your UI xD

[toxic pewter]

whoa yogi did a 19? that bad ass

[teal swift]

Grats on key tho

[toxic pewter]

LOL wtf is that spinning thing you do at the start

[sick sentinel]

ohh there is boots toy and whatever i clicked

[toxic pewter]

i need that

[sick sentinel]

the boots does the poison trail and the other item does a forwards spin and fling ooze

matches transmog

jar of excess slime

a bit like the potion of gusts this expansion, 15 second cd, not in combat

[toxic pewter]

lol i have both toys im gonna start doing that

thats great lmao

[sick sentinel]

boots, apprentice slimemancer's boots 5 minute cd trail for 3 minute buff

[toxic pewter]

im just gonna spin around every 15 seconds

[sick sentinel]

perfect transmog for UHDK or rogue(any but assassination mostly

[toxic pewter]

just realized i need that ooze backpack thing

[sick sentinel]

that video is now in HD

[tired forge]

which horde race got that protection feel beside orcs

[odd flint]

prots insane

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf

[uneven mason]

Tauren are the obvious next up horde side

But yeah, dwarf or lady orc

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera best horde prot warr race

[tired forge]

what about trolls?:)

[rough whale]

Hey Guys I am struggling with Aggro in m+ Dungeons.... Midnight I loose randomly Aggro in some Mobs and then I get panic.... Have you Guys some Tipps for me?

[young wasp]

Possibly noob question - is snapshotting still in the game? I asked a friend and he said it was for certain classes - I imagine it's very important for Prot warrior given the tier set this rotation.

IE, If you have Demo shout up on a target, do the bleeds that get applied gain that damage buff for their entire duration, and if demo shout falls off, does that damage remain boosted when you Fervid Bite them all off?

[restive scroll]

Afaik, it's only left on feral druids

[strong forum]

Ye only for ferals

[toxic pewter]

Actually consider troll extremely underrated, berserking is such a solid racial and lines up well with our cooldowns. Also the healing they get in combat used to be a joke a long time ago but it’s actually something decent now

[young wasp]

So demo shout only applies bonus dmg to the bleeds and the fervid bite when it's actually on

[restive scroll]

I play troll warrior since cata, not the most optimized, but the coolest looking

Racials are pretty ok, even if not god tier

[toxic pewter]

My first warr was Troll

my first character even

[strong forum]

Threat is generally just a "press more buttons" kinda deal, it's directly handled via dealing more dmg. So without logs I could only throw blanket statements

[cinder robin]

@coarse merlin

[lusty grotto]

its dynamic

so yes

but you can cast bleeds before and then apply avatar/demo

and it will dynamically update

so no you cant extend buffed bleeds

because it will also dynamically update to their unbuffed versions

when both avatar and demo fade

[young wasp]

Right, so we want to pop Fervid ideally with Avatar and Demo up when applicable

[lusty grotto]

no not really

you pop it when its up

[young wasp]

I mean for Thunderous at least

other bleeds I could care less about

[lusty grotto]

sure i guess if TR aligns with your demo and avatar windows

[azure smelt]

i don't get how crit is valued more than mastery. double block chance scaled twice as hard as parry chance on my toon without DR on stats

[lusty grotto]

its around 50s on average with 4pc

[azure smelt]

and from what i see ip cant crit

[lusty grotto]

but avatar averages at around 45s with AM

cause you dont need block chance

block chance is 100% when SB is up

if you mean crit blocks,~~ it scales slowly~~

and parry is full mit

crit blocks are capped

nobody really gives a shit if IP can crit or not

its a rage dump

[azure smelt]

in my testing crit block scales better than parry

and is 80% dr

[lusty grotto]

no

its not

its capped

[azure smelt]

what am i missing

[lusty grotto]

here you go

https://tanknotes.com/resources/armor-block/

[uneven mason]

Stats are based on damage and even defensive we have 100% block so mastery loses value

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure someone has k-values handy for this season somewhere

just apply the k value to those formulas

even if they are dated for SL, the only thing that's changed are K-values

[azure smelt]

google says k values in s1 12824.94

i assume its the same now

[lusty grotto]

no

they go up every season (or tier in previous expansions)

and they depend on content type as well

heroic raid wont have the same k-values as mythic raid, keys might be uniform though

[azure smelt]

oh i see this spreadsheet

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/8mm1xrj2j1

still tho on avg 1000 crit is about 5% parry and 500 mast is about 5% double block % for me.

[uneven mason]

Keys are uniform since the scaling is already built into the+ system

[vocal flame]

are you jumping the shock wave?

[azure smelt]

and double block is within the 85% cap

[sick sentinel]

where at in the video

[dusky canopy]

I just press button and big number happen

[uneven mason]

Reasoning is that we're already gaining 60% of the value of mastery just by properly playing and crit is total avoidance

[vocal flame]

from the captains haha not sure if that works or you were just jumping

[sick sentinel]

im a jumper in quake 3 and unreal as well yes

old habits die hard

[timber nest]

does rezan trinkets bleed count as bleed for 2P/4P?

[sick sentinel]

no

[sick sentinel]

itd be insane if it consumed all bleeds

[lusty grotto]

crit is valued more than mastery because with little mastery you already have a net benefit, and stacking it means you lose on uncapped DR

you're not supposed to stack a stat other than haste

[formal tartan]

so its best to do haste/vers on every peice of gear?

[silent vessel]

^no

[lusty grotto]

and tier already has a mastery piece

[lusty grotto]

no

read pins

[sick sentinel]

mastery basically just more attack power

[formal tartan]

well i meant every peice possible cept 4 peice obv i was mostly asking if there is apoint where haste caps out

[lusty grotto]

we wouldnt know

if only someone had it on their nickname

oh well

maybe one day

[formal tartan]

well lots of people have dumb nicknames don't take it for the truth

[lusty grotto]

mmhmm

@uneven mason i guess youre a troll with your nickname too

who would have thought

[keen iris]

Think they're going to buff prot in 10.2.5?

[lusty grotto]

lets see

https://tenor.com/view/youre-fucked-the-simpsons-magic-eight-gif-15834392

ok lets try again

https://tenor.com/view/magic8ball-pool-ball-definitely-yes-toy-gif-14416346

[vocal nimbus]

no reason to buff/nerf any tank at the moment

[keen iris]

Sadly, most likely. But it would be nice to at least buff the damage

[lusty grotto]

damage is fine

[keen iris]

Eh, or nerf DH. The damage plus the chain silence is a little much, IMHO

[lusty grotto]

more likely they remove double sigils for misery/silence

[vocal nimbus]

nah dont nerf

[stable flower]

If they made challenging shout part of anger management that would be a lot of utility

[vocal nimbus]

i'd rather buff the rest than nerf something

so everyone has their fun

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree

but hard to place additional utility on a class out of the blue

[vocal nimbus]

let thunderous roar silence mobs

[lusty grotto]

they havent done that outside of reworks

and i dont think they will start doing it now

[stable flower]

Cause warrior is tanking as fuck

Tyrannical is a joke week on my warrior where my port pally can definitely get chucked if I screw something up

[keen iris]

Even if you nerf the sigils, there's still a pretty big damage gap in m+, or at least that's my experience

Vs dh

[stable flower]

Prot*

[lusty grotto]

just put gag order back and/or safeguard, there prot has comparable utility

problem solved

[stable flower]

Gag order would be so good

[lusty grotto]

but then what do they do about bears

and brews

[stable flower]

They need help too

[vocal nimbus]

what did gag order do?

[stable flower]

But I find port war way more fun than port pally

[lusty grotto]

cause bears have only 2 stops, if you combine vortex and knock

[keen iris]

3s silence

[lusty grotto]

silence on heroic throw

[stable flower]

Added silence to heroic throw

[vocal nimbus]

ah true

i dont have the game in englihs

[keen iris]

Group spell reflection would be pretty nice too. Especially if it gave the 25% magic damage reduction

[stable flower]

That would be too op

[lusty grotto]

all of these suggestions are highly unlikely, if not completely impossible given blizzard's track record

[stable flower]

Would have to be 25% reduction on party but in the warrior reflects

[keen iris]

Eh, so few spells are reflectable

[stable flower]

Only

[keen iris]

Yeah, that would be fine too

Nice utility for high keys

[stable flower]

Or give us the party shield wall since, with my preferred tanky build my shield wall is on like a 90 second CD really

[blazing condor]

cata classic coming soon you can get that there 😄

[lusty grotto]

group anything would be too much, safeguard would be our answer to sac and to give intervene some play again, and gag order our answers to avenger's shield and sigil

that's all thats needed

[stable flower]

I know everyone shits in Cara but I loved warrior in Cara

[blazing condor]

thats where tanking started for me

felt fun back then at least

although its not fun to play with devastate

[stable flower]

Didn’t they remove the rage cost for devestate then and make it generate rage

Mop Arms is the GOAT though

[blazing condor]

we'll get another spark next week right?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

Craft 3 next reset

[blazing condor]

ive crafted 3 aspects things this week

[dusky canopy]

I’m either crafting both rings to 486 or using crests to get a 489 weapon if it drops

[blazing condor]

as of this week*

[dusky canopy]

Fingers crossed

[blazing condor]

so its gotta be 4th craft no?

[dusky canopy]

You could not have crafted 3 items unless you used last seasons spark

We only have two available it is week 5

[blazing condor]

idk i got 3x 486 crafts

both embellish and a ring

[dusky canopy]

Oh right I’m losing my mind

Next week is 4th

Jesus

Literally have 3 crafts equipped myself lol

[unreal abyss]

Hey, would shieldslam macro work on defensives to cast then asap? Like ignore pain for example

[dusky canopy]

Do not do that you will overspend rage

You only want to cast ip to prevent wasting rage by overcapping

[pale karma]

Addressed an issue where Tormented Bloodseeker's Darksoul Bite is draining more health than intended in Mythic+ difficulties.

Might've already been posted but hoping this is a significant nerf. Such an annoying pack, even with kiting. It was 200k dps x4 before at +20. Anyone know what it is now? Can we engage the pack directly?

[blazing condor]

at least we can spell reflect it

i did two +20 DHT today and they felt fineish

[unreal abyss]

I though of it the other way

[pale karma]

Once 😂

[unreal abyss]

when I cast IP and I have a SS reset it'd go immedietly

[blazing condor]

there is a macro for that that people use already

[dusky canopy]

Yes using the above is great

[novel temple]

Ooo, I like that

So basically Thunder Clap ignore pain, and hop that ss reset

[jagged pier]

No

U dont hope for anything, if it gets a ss reset great. If not u press your ss bind pretty much next gcd anyway

[novel temple]

Seemingly it saves time though

I’m getting those boomer hands and mind now

[grizzled nova]

Not a fan of macroing any abilities together. Off gcd stuff is on my mouse, on gcd stuff on the keyboard.

If I want to be pressing shield slam I will be, if I want to be pressing demo, or iv, or troar, or ravager, and I can't because pressing IP put me in a gcd I'll be mad.

An extremely uncommon tenth of a second gain on a shield slam isn't worth the loss of control.

[jagged pier]

u still press SS this doesnt save binds

[grizzled nova]

Wasn't my point

[jagged pier]

This doesnt replace your SS bind and u dont use it too SS it is your IP bind and u only use when when u want to use ip

It doesnt chsnge anything

[pale karma]

saves a key press since SS is glowing and what you'd push next anyway

[grizzled nova]

It may spend a gcd on ss when I want to use IP and something else at the same time.

[jagged pier]

Theres nothing higher on prio

Than ss

On the gcd

[grizzled nova]

if I want to demo or iv to live something or ravager or troar for aggro they are

[jagged pier]

U press all of those ither before u have rage or you managing your rage so they wouldnt overcap u like u should be

So again no

Because u would press them then ip

Not ip then press them

[grizzled nova]

They get pressed in the middle of pulls and rage cycles all the time?

[jagged pier]

U didnt read what i wrote

But okay

[grizzled nova]

Yes I did.

But okay.

[jagged pier]

U should be managing your rage so pressing any of those buttons

WILL NOT OVERCAPP YOUR RAGE

So pressing Ip before them is wrong

U press them after the dump

[sick sentinel]

why does this 2 hand have to be such ass

[jagged pier]

Ask one of the dps channels

Not the prot channel

[sick sentinel]

i wish there was a 2 dmg version of this instead

i dont play arms fury anyways

[jagged pier]

No u play bdk so u should be in archeus not here 🤷

[sick sentinel]

nah, i gave up bdk

hes a rat

[jagged pier]

Ah fair

[grizzled nova]

If I'm on an 8 target pull and troar is coming off cooldown and I want to press troar, I don t want to wait an extra gcd because I was pressing ignore pain and devastator procced.

[sick sentinel]

i play retail protection warrior and i play diablo 2 and then i play old games

thats about it really.