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My brother was really into those games back in the day
Any idea what his build is? He seems to be running bolster
anyone has a good WA for the Health on oakheart grip?
cause my UI is going bingobongo when i get gripped and i cant predict my health at all
Your UI should not be moving 👀
well the healthbar ofc 🙂
I'm not really sure what you're asking for. None of your UI elements should be moving
usally i see like my 1 mill hp and if i get hitted it get reduced to )randomrumber) 800k
on oak heart i cant really see my HP cause it get fucked
i sometimes see me on zzero HP but after the grip i am on full hp still
That's...weird
i guess i need to do a screenshot to explain it better
Never seen that happen before
yeah it is super weird thats why i ask for a WA to see my health still normaly 😄
https://wago.io/pVLZlDCnB idk something like this?
maybe that works cheers
Yea my health bar disappears too for some reason
And I'm not using UI addons
Maybe I just don't know where to look but my normal health bar disappears
Are you talking about your Personal Resource Display or like your actual Player Frame?
did they perma change the path the superbloom takes to make it shorter
or is it cycled
I have the same happen when Oakheart picks me up. Also if Rezan catches me. I set myself as focus target for those fights so I can always see my HP.
There's 4 (I think) paths it can take
didn't even know that was possible, damn
Wait can double proc shut now ? How far can you get speed leech avoidance socket proc haha
ohhh nice that is a good tip if that works,.. on rezan i just care not to get eaten 😄
It totally works. On low keys it's actually faster to get eaten so your DPS don't have to run around waking up the little raptors and can just DPS
Does anybody know if the shadowflame damage from the Embelishment count as fire damage to trigger the neck from Volcoross?
but would be interessting why it does that for some of us it seems
i asume
Nice, ty
legit put 60 hrs into that game last week
first 60 was learnding'd very basic mechanic
do u guys use this macro in the pin?
yes
Yes
Since shield slam is our highest priority GCD regardless of anything else (almost), yes, I do
That macro is what turbo charges the new tier set if I say so myself
Perhaps one of the greatest macros of all time
Note it replaces your IP bind not your SS bind u still have that
the right sequence gotta be ss > tc > ip for the tier
so u dont burn outbursts on tc
if any raptors are waking up while kiting the boss then someone is being stupid
rezan should always be kited back and forth between the same two waterfalls on the side where there are no raptors
Have you met the average wow player?
There should be rsptors
They are perfect to funnel dmg into boss
For sev specs it adds st dmg
No for more st on some specs
Arms as an example does more st if it can cleave off raptor
Sp is prob same
Would guess frost aswell
spawning raptors on purpose is silly tbh
Not if u gain st dps from it
extra mechanical shit I dont want to deal with
No one gains ST dps from it because no one is going to use them in that way. They're just going to pad on them.
That gain dmg
its just padding
Yes, some specs CAN gain damage on ST from having multiple lower health targets available.
But is the average pug going to actually utilize them for that? No, they're going to pad.
No1 switches to em
So i mean if pad is cleave without loosing st its still not terrible
But again i guess ive got a different pug exp than yoy
Well if you're not gaining anything from spawning them, then...why would you spawn them?
You
Scenario 1 (Ideal): You spawn raptors on purpose, everyone in the group respects their purpose, and funnel specs get more damage.
Scenario 2 (Likely): You spawn raptors on purpose, no one respects their purpose, and even if you do have funnel specs that try to utilize it, the non-funnel specs are just going to pad them down in 2 seconds anyway.
In the end, the AD timer is not tight and Rezan is a target dummy anyway. So it's not worth it.
TBH I've had runs where there was 1 raptor and it was quite advantageous to have something to build rage on while hiding from the fear
I have PTSD from Yazma in BFA still
hey guys , is there a bug on fyrakk encounter with the tank frontals cause everytime i get the frontal i always spell reflect and i hear the spell reflect but doesnt show on details.
It doesn’t reflect the damage it just reduces the damage
It's a deflect.
Which means you avoid the damage, but it does not do damage to the mob.
you avoid the magic portion of the tank buster*
raptors actually hurt so I don't spawn them because the extra rage from one or two isn't worth, but 3rd boss dht I'm sprinting through eggs like a mad man
50 of them at once wouldn't deal any noticeable extra damage, and you get infinite rage from bloodsurge
really? Im gonna try this
yeh
so long as you're the one spawning them and can grab aggro immediately it's whatever
eggs are only annoying when someone gets blasted across the room and spawns them a million miles away and you have to deal with it
yeah, that and the bats on the final stretch , I hate those things
usually if you have a healer to cleanse you or someone to slow them and you can haul ass. but man I hate those bats.
Stun them, group reflect, bats ded
so tell the group not to do anything and just spell reflect them?
reflecting it just prevents the debuff on you and pads the fuck out of the meters, but doesn't actually kill them
because they leech life from the debuff, so they're leeching their own life to themselves even if you reflect it
It's not pad when it actually does damage to a mob that needs to die.
And in the case of those mobs, it prevents the debuff from going on you.
Which is the more important part anyway
yeh but it'd be way cooler if reflecting it leeched the life to you
It's a net positive since if the debuff was on a player that would be health on the bat
It would, yeah
Immortality 
I need the game to give me armor pieces. War has been 1 piece away from 4pc for over a week
Might just have to see if I can get ksm on that toon this week
Kinda doubt it though
true enough, I spose
but I spend 90% of that pull just running away and tabbing through them with heroic throw
so I don't really get the debuff anyway
Better than any heroic weapon
🤓 ☝️ well not heroic gholak
it also beats pretty much all myth weapons
basically every weapon that isnt gholak :^)
feels great we can lock in an item so early in the season
if only it looked cooler
would be cool if on discord you could link items like you do in wow
option to open it up in 3d model viewer maybe
that would own
Hello guys, sorry to bother you with that but do you know where i can find a good guide who explain the right way to use fervid bite please ii feel quite lost 🙂
Play
dont think there'sa vide
ok i get the point, to maximize the benefits from the bleeds. thx !
Yes, there's a pretty good WA for that purpose, fervid bite just goes whenever
gotta go fast
Any healing reduction in group and they end up losing hp
Too bad no one wants arms in keys 

anyone that says otherwise is either ignorant or going out of their way to be wrong
You know those puggers
gotta 1v1 them show dominance
I'll try that next time I get declined for a 16 as arms 
Hi All! Good Morning. Silly question, is shield slam damage based mostly on ilevel of shield or is it shield and weapon combined?
Purely attack power
How does one sim for m+, do i just go 5 targets 1 minute and so on?
It's all ap
ahhh ok ty
Shield is still your #1 slot for upgrades though
Ok copy that. Once I get my wrists and cloak done I will prob craft one unless I am lucky enough on vault lol
What shield do you have?
for the first two big pulls of tot on a 25 what are the preferred healers
Because I cant emphasize enough that shield will have an insane amount greater impact over bracer and cloak, as those are very low budget slots
are rdruid the "god healers" cause im not sure if i've just been unlucky with them
Any that press buttons
Also by first 2 pulls, do you mean first hallway
Or do you do each pack?
Since bolstering means you need to not have a dozen adds on the big ass crab
not bad, not bad
Worth continuing to open up in prot pray for mythic track shield? I am thinking crafting is a lot easier lol
I wouldnt; just craft or sneak into 1st boss Mythic if you really want a shield upgrade
avoid all the bad tank trinkets
so i found myself starting to enjoy prot warrior as my first tank ever but is it just me or does the spec have a lot of buttons, like you have rend but it's applied with thunderclap too, can't i just remove it from my bar then? 🤔
do you guys actively make use of whirlwind and hamsting too?
Never use whirlwind, never use hamstring
You can remove rend because thunderclap does that and slows
ah cool, thought i might be missing some secret tech but i'm basically overthinking all the spells 😄
Getting a mob in a hammy is useful in some M+ situations. However bolting it and moving on so that does not bolster the pack is prolly better.
sounds like a great way to keep a mob out of a pack if you don't have DH prison etc.
hamstring definitely needs to be on bars with a keybind
i know some people put with charge or something as a macro
i dont do that personally
that make kinda sense for some situations
ok ty!
this macro IP and shieldslam. do you just replace IP with it if i understand it right
Ye
coolcol
you got it in the FAQs?
in pins
tyty
dont thank me thank person who made pin hehe 😛
I use hamstring all the time. Lots of scenarios it's useful
Fixating mobs (snap dragons for example), spiteful, etc
Remember when thunderclap was a real snare
both breaths of note, 2nd boss in DHT and Deios in Rise
Dht tree and dieos
still can be with pvp talent
The cone has a limited range
You would think this is obvious but the amount of tanks getting absolutely clapped in dht by that breath is real
So you avoid the double tank buster on tree and getting obliterated by dieos dot
Or that try and dodge it sideways
Yea I’m always backing up there when I’m dps, dudes be spinning
TFW the vdh leaps across the healer during breath
Ngl if it’s a war or vdh I always sr and er the first breath if im dps because of leap shenanigans
Yes. But you still have a separate Shield Slam only button
The purposes of the macro is the snipe Shield Slam resets
yeah its hard for pugs even if you say something they still don't listen
gross

It’s so 🤮 but it sims 10k higher and lives way easier
So gotta do it.. smold prog starts tonight!
Yeah all I need is BRH neck then I’m chillin at 221k sim waiting on Lego/489 weapons
dang
Any prot war streamers you guys would say to check out in my free time for learning more?
just, observe
Your cursor is yuge!
you know what i wish they woudl do instead of the bubble
Use keybinds instead of clicking shit
eh to be fair, battleshout isn't exactly part of a rotation
is, it is still the bubble and at 5 on countdonw the buble fades slightly and you can do that really slow struggle run like at the replay fight in doti
If clicking it causes you to walk off an edge you should keybind it
slow is completely global and you cant cheese it in anyway at all besides maybe a blink
I don't really think you can blame the shout there for that one lmao
I didn't specify shout, you did
I said that you should keybind shit instead of clicking it
Because that dude is staring at his bars and holding W
And my point was, it's probably a waste of a keybind lol, autowalking off a ledge is just not paying attention, not anything more, whether it was a shout or another ability, kind of irrelevant
it was really dumb
Right but the root here was staring at bars while trying to click
Anything that you might need to press in a time sensitive window should probably just be keybound so you don't need to stop everything to press it, or risk doing something dumb
ive always said BRH was free but man the last boss kinda hurt
almost one shotting my dudes with bolts
only on the bolt before you get the hp buff
and maybe if he bolt volleys when someone has the bat on them
yeah the first volley hurts
but even in p1 before
he'd 80% our dps with normal shadow bolts
I try and pop rally for that first cast usually
How extreme is Mythic Smolderon's movement compared to Larry and Nymue? Or say, Mythic Sarkareth, Mythic Zskarn, and maybe Mythic Echo?
Hammer them
LOS them, tell your group to LOS them.
Consolidation not only lets you kill them faster because they're in the stack, but playing by cover lets you juke a few of their random arrow spam casts.
ADAD spam the cover, pretend it's CSGO and you're peeking main lol
At least, for the DPS.
Shooting at you does... well, you can block it, so nothing.
Or, rather, you should be able to block it. I haven't bothered checking, but it is a Legion dungeon and I'm vaguely certain they added ranged block post-Legion.
blocking a bullet or arrow ranged attack should basically fully negate it imo
But all these expansions get blurred together. I'm almost 30 now, my mind isn't what it used to be.
cuz its like, thats what happens in real life and other games too
basically once it hits wall or beam your hiding behind, dmg and range completely falls off
Okay, yogi, hear me out - it's just balance.
well, apparently warrior doesnt have a good edge, is that a good edge? could be broken if there is some archer only boss
I mean, the fact we can block it is the edge.
we dont have cc, we dont have mobility, and we dont really have dmg
I don't think you realize how powerful block is if a ranged boss existed and we could block their spam.
cuz likr put it into perspective
For tank or dps?
Cuz for tank is 1-1 the same fight as on normal HC or lfr
that ps1 game, both a learning, and a do 95% of the kills run
M Larry and M Nymue made me sweat since I'm not as used to high tank movement, but they've been super keen on making tanks very positionally conscious.
god only knows how difficult it is on normal and hard
The only boss that's different for tanks than on HC is....
None I'd say
Maybe tindral
I'm talking M
Cuz alternating soaks
Not heroic
Yes
The fuck is HC
Really? Tindral movement is identical?

How is the mushroom damage? Still blockable, yeah?
Do you need to be facing mushroom or boss? I assume boss?
But who knows with how scuffed they program shit
Face boss
Good. I was worried it was another invisible rabbit situation
how do you feel about warrior in this raid tier? looking to push first CE, didnt lock a tank
i do no more than 3k in m+ so thats quite w/e
Pwar is pretty strong this tier defensively as all tankbusters are mixed dmg with a larger portion being physical and all being blockable
Except volcoross but that boss doesn't matter
Gnarlroot is different in that he’ll randomly blow you up
🙂
anything nice for spell reflect?
Also re: pwarr in raid. The issue is that it doesn’t provide anything or particular value compared to other specs in the role. Notably BDK, pala, and vdh this tier
we are tanking with DK and I am between monk or brew, I initially got AOTC on pal but we have 2 rets and a holy
Brew and pwarr are in an identical raid spot rn imo
Both just offer nothing special but aren’t terrible
You’re just a tank. That’s it Rly
what does vdh offer?
Silence is the main thing on fyrakk
for brew I hoped I'd have more dps at least 😂
Brew Dps fell off this tier compared to the rest of the xpac
We lost a lot of power since early 10.1 especially
When they removed WoO borrowed power interactions and then we lost Aberrus tier set
Idk why but my pala seems much squishier than brew/warr when I play keys around ~+20
And amirdrassil tier just doesn’t do a lot for the most part
thats why I wondered if one of these wont be better especially since we have many paladins
Warr always feels insanely sturdy
Paladin is squishy when it has to move especially
So technically between brew and warr its about which buffs are we missing?\
post paladins dont stay in ther consecration, which is bad
as we lack a warr and have a MW in main squad
Tbh if you have any specific brew questions I can give in-depth answers.
That would be enough reason to play warr imo
I just wonder how different are war and monk this season 😄
You need battle shout
for m+ and raid
Both mid
(first time CE Progress)
I’d just play your preference and fill buff slot if needed
If you’re just now starting mythic prog for the first time you’ll be getting to all of the bosses post-nerfs with really good gear
survivability is basically never a question for tanks in raid
The tank composition comes down to utility needed
Or personal preference
we had some problems on AOTC fyrak as pal couldnt group adds on p2
I’ve played brew all xpac
thats why I went with brew 😄
Considering he has divine toll…
🤔
Monk has… RoP
BDK is hard bis for that
vdh can I guess chains but idk if that’s actually worth for them
Haven’t played it much this tier post-rework
Monk will generally be more forgiving in raid defensively, imo. Penalties for things like turning your back or forgetting to press a cooldown can be less severe. You should very rarely have tank survivability problems in raid. In almost all cases a tank death is a skill issue or mistake
By either yourself or your cotank in some cases
https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/protection/warrior/mythic-plus/overview/20/all-dungeons/all-affixes Do we think Archon will be good (for an aggregated data site), given it's pulling data from logs? 🤔
I think this is a bit of an overstatement.
How do we handle kiting groups of enemies without turning our backs to enemies in mythic plus
as for that I dont have much suri problem in raids, things hurt but not too much 😄
+20 hurts on 470 on all 3 😛
Strafing
Just Ignore pain and pray? Or like stun and run a bit
Ahhhhh
Is the block angle 180° then I take it?
Yeah
If you wanna be even better your jump strafe
And turn midair towards facing the enemy
Ah I see
That's where the like difficult micro comes into play with prot I take it?
Positional requirements on pwar are higher than on other tanks yes
Other than pal I’d say
Pal still gets a bit more leeway
Cuz they have higher armor + better failure recovery tools
none of the tanks aught ever be getting meleed in the back for more than the odd incidental
The shield tanks have it rough though
Yes but some can handle it better than others
^
Pwarr and ppal are the worst for sure
position on ppala and dk is way more annoying
I mean the difference between the odd melee hitting your back is incidental
Being a slave to consecrate and dnd is way more impactful and annoying
DND and consecrate are not an equal comparison
There is no additional positional requirements on a pwar vs other tanks wrt to getting meleed in the back.
No but when the spec’s entire mitigation profile is block based
It’s more impactful
Compared to the tank where the mitigation model is take big hit->heal it back the next global
For the amount that it happens, not consequentially, and some tanks do have other positional considerations that may cause it to happen more often.
A decent chunk of our dmg profile is also frontal orientated
That is also true
DH kinda does
Ehh not rly
Yeah Ig fel dev
Once it’s applied it just gets refreshed with bok/SCK through ChP
Is also brontalle
Unless you’re playing dfb
And even then it’s a Lower % than warr frontals
Not as bad as last tier for warr though imo
Yeah
In terms of frontal reliance
I guess? Significantly moreso than every other tank in comparison? Not really.
Bear is generally the only outlier in a discussion about whether it generally matters if something is behind you for protracted periods of time
and even then, you still don't want things behind you
It's not about it being okay for stuff being behind you or not
It's the degree of importance
And matter of fact still remains that it's alot more relevant on shield tanks than others
That's inarguable
Hell monks often purposefully turn around

I remember they did that on Mueh'zela
H4X

I don't know much about Brew any more. My guild doesn't have one, I obviously don't party with them on main, and on my healer I haven't seen one all season
We do a little force dodge and/or niuzao cheese (pray that it doesn’t become a thing again)
It's a silly argument. All the tanks are dependent on things being in front of them for their dr and damage, all of them behave in exactly the same way to group things in front of them. Pwar has no additional 'strain' here other tham their healthbar potentially moving more than others if they do get hit in the back.
Yeah except pwarr is much more prone to it being moved instantly to 0
Lol
Since all you have then is armor
No stagger, no brand/soulcrusher, no bone shield/purg, no consecrate, no whatever bear does
The main point is that unlike the other tanks we find it comparatively more difficult to recover from being hit in the back/without our main mitigation because as the primary mitigation tank recovery is harder for us
Well said
At least recovery on our own terms, without external assistance
Also true. Warr can’t just full heal itself in a global like most tanks
We die slow. But we will die.

it definitely is not, unless you've decided to your gonna turn your back to 8 mobs at the same time in battle stance with no defensive running while walking toward even more mobs
in which case all the tanks go to 0
this hypothetical is absurd
I love having these discussions with people and being like "this isn't even my final form" *presses defensive stance
It's a proactive one
Dstance is honestly a very poggers button
And not spending demo shout offensively
Swapping to IO
Etc
Like
We're tanky in our offensive build
And we can become even tankier
can you mention which other tank has a positional requirement for the AMs?
SotR comes to mind
But you can't dodge/parry attacks from behind
So, all tanks do, but ours is more noticable because we're the block tank, so we just get chunked from the back
Since that's basically half our mitigation
Meanwhile another tank just recovers from the mistake
Or has cheat death go off, NGL eating 2 soaks on smokderon on my bdk and being able to just recover with 2 death strikes
Pwar just requires a different muscle memory how to press WASD
You sure do cutie! 🥰
😜
thats the gist of it
it all boils down to that
Like bear and monk don't give a fuck about positioning
Since their mitigation and recovery are not heavily tied to dodge
Bear on Tyrannical Oakheart be like 😨
Brew kinda is
But not like pwarr
And block
Bruh any tank on tyr oakheart
I love that I reply to someone literally referencing the breath in their name. 🤣
You can moonkin form and disengage the breath on bear
Just saying
Since he doesn't melee during the cast
Also bear can stack a literal fuckton of DR on every breath
I don't play Bear, but that's some gigachad movement right there.
If you want to go full "I can't die" on bear you can have 20% passive Dr, rots 25% and 30% barkskin plus whatever mit your set bonus absorb has
On every breath/grip
Bear don't care
Oh right 6% from base vers as well
When I play my Priest, on gigapulls I just put Guardian Spirit on the bear and let them get on with it
I leap every breath and rotate my DR on Grip. I can't be wasting any of that precious DR on Breath. ;_;
Grip is just wild. 🤣
Did you change your name because it's a common question in here? "How I deal with Nightmare Breath on Oakheart?" #1 question on Google. 😏
Wow. I never thought about leaping Deios' breath.
Always leap in the direction of your dps 
you laugh but thats what happened on a DHT28
the dh tank decided its a good idea to jump at an angle
and sniped both a dps and the healer
death roulette is a sacred tradition in this household
still timed the key tho
They didn't pop a personal? 4Head
i do it because i wanna test which ones of my premades are unlucky - so i know to avoid them. I don't want to run keys with unlucky people
The other two breath attacks in the current rotation (Iridikron and Dresaron) are ofc side-steppable.
I always use tyrs last tank buster to kill my premades
How did we handle the earthquake on Dresaron after his roar in Legion? I thought we baited that somehow in keys to keep the room clean, but I don't remember.
you can
so far hasnt been necessary for me
u just kinda play the room and move is absolutely needed
Maybe it was people just clumped up to drop in 1 spot, but I didn't think that was the move in Legion. I thought it was something else.
@uneven mason
I've had relatively few problems with Dresaron, mostly I think because his HP doesn't seem particularly extreme
okay here
i failed to leap the breath
but how, and now we have a visual aid of failing attempting to doit
Oh I suppose there's breath attacks on Blight as well, but that works differently
I mean, we should probably be playing the edge of the room. Basically parallel with the eggs, get pushed back toward the middle of the room, bait the earthquake along the edges, and sidestep breath.
I don't run VERY high keys, so I don't think even Tyr roar is a 1-shot.
Most casters seem to enjoy baiting the earthquake into the centre of the room
I mean, they can clump them there too. Shouldn't ever really interfere with patrolling the edge of the room. I'm going to try it next time I'm in DHT.
That clump of 4 bats in the last hallway are the bane of my existence. It's like get threat and run away (specifically if you don't have a dispel for it).
The best thing about Darkheart Thicket is the comedy value of watching Demon Hunters trying to use Fel Rush on Xavius
Dude, the swirlies on Xavius are nuts. I still don't understand how they haven't fixed those. 🤣
It's the silence effect that screws DH over
They Fel Rush and get silenced
Over and over and over
🤣
gotta start walking away a second or so before breath then leap, if yo uare in the air as he casts it it dots you
Do you still execute the leap on Deios P1?
P2 is pretty chill, it's P1 that's the spooky part.
It's just the keepers he summons, just spam you constantly for ridiculous damage.
the legendary is broken
i literally got the legendary and im instantly farming 99s/100 logs as arms in keys
hi guys! hope you all ok!
anyone knows how to do a WA for ignore pain to make a sound when its shield is already absorbed?? like i have the buff, and when the buff is over because de heal absorption is depleted the buff will be off, so like WA that triggers sound when the buff is off,
yeah thats why i think my dmg is still really fucking bad
i didnt even do 300k in BRH without aug
That's a fast track to madness
no, IP is not your main mit
You shouldn't really track IP as it's just a side effect of proper gameplay, you dump rage into it to avoid capping or deal with dot damage
keys

What you could track is the set bonus
its the only thing i care about 
i just spend rage on IP?
Basically
You shouldn't really track iit, but if you must, you want a condition that does "Aura Found = False; THEN Sound Play <effect name> to Channel
most of your rage goes into IP
Since we're pressing TC far more this tier you'll have less GCD to burn rage on revenge
The actually important things to track on Weakauras are Shield Block, Avatar Cooldown, and Thunderous Roar
Maybe Outburst, Shield Wall
Basically prioritize rage into SB then IP, revenge is used to fish for SS resets if dev and TC fail to reset it, because we press rev less it will frequently be free when we do press it, so yeah, easily 90% of your rage will go into IP
Tracking seeing red and outburst is a must
Don't wanna eat that on tc
Big ole 300k SS

So my raids bdk was out and the RL brought in a brm, rather than have me tank...
Apparently I rip aggro too much for their comfort 
so the macro of SS and IP is the way to go right? when i have a proc of free SS I do the marco with IP right=
?
no, you just use that macro as your regular IP keybind
whenever you wanna press IP and SS happens to be ready or comes off CD via a proc whilst youre attempting to press it, itll automatically snipe said CD
and since you always want to prioritise shield slam
its just a very good and disgustingly simple macro
Like Nome says, it's a proc sniping tool.
Mostly that macro exists to limit how badly your RSI will be procced playing Prot Warrior
got it!! ty for the help!
kk! roger that!
thanks for the help guys
I macro Shield Slam into all my off-GCD abilities. Shield Block, Ignore Pain, Avatar, Shield Wall.
I also macro my racial into Avatar
(I'm not a Dorf)
i liked my time as human as well
get out of stun op
even if stun = bad always these days
There is no human. Only dorf 
I'm an Orc
i dont remember can we sim to see IF a crafted piece would be an upgrade
like sim a hypothetical craft
im undeda
you can with gear compare
find the name of the crafted item
and create a gear set with that item included
why paladins run throne
i saw a group of 3 rets just and now im in a group with 2 rets
ngl, 200k+ dps in dung is quite cool 
welcome to bolstering
nah, me and the crew i played with
with played with 8.0 bolstering
it was horrendous
permanent bolster and basically all mobs including non elites and i think even like battle pets would give a target bolster
that version of bolster was a giga filter for pugs
2 hander and Porcelain crab trinket
meant you couldnt afford to ass pull mobs or have hunter pets pull mobs
no shield charge, no big taunt, no spell block, but thunder clap do dmg
also ghuunies on top 
the PANIK that ensues any time howliss fears doenst get kicked
that boss was a huge pain in the ass
hey guys, I did a rise last night and had some trouble on Morchie. I attempted to get the sand puddle right next to me and got stunned as our paladin took it. Is it better to leap out to a far sand puddle than look for one close if melee is in party?
if you got stunned, you activated the trap
that boss aint hard, you can use storm bolt on your add, and then fear
I see, thank you
dont panic at add
you can take your time
the biggest thing there is not nuking people with the frontal
I'm 2 days into tanking after dpsing for 18 yrs so I'm really learning on the fly
Chrono lord is really my worst fight I get very flustered there
I like to pull next to a group of traps early while keeping an eye out for sand blast timer
you have time before the ads spawn to position boss so that ads will run easily onto puddles
So when my add spawns I'm in a good spot to put er in the trap
I was attempting to do that then I get all fucked up
well trapping all adds at the same time is also bad
so the more you can stagger traps the better
your stuns and fear are your friends
so is hamstring
Any general tips for Chrono lord? I get really chunked there
we should really have a faq/pin for these questions lol
Leap breath when feasible, otherwise rotate defensive cooldowns.
spell reflect and block should be rotated for the breath right?
Recently started tanking mythic + and i feel like i’m maybe trying to do too many dps mechanics, like killing totems and stuff, meaning i move the boss around way too much
Also that tree in darkheart, people dont want to kill the adds, then i’m running around trying to gather them all up which leads to the boss breathing on the party
Killing the roots is unrealistic. Just need to be ready to pick them up as best you can
i cant remember - is there any fundamental difference between recraft and crafting from scratch? if i ask a crafter to just recraft my old thing its still gonna be the same % and stuff?
logically i think no but you never know
its the same
no reason to craft it, when you can recraft it
less mats with recraft
yeah probably
those who were online could offer me a 100% 486 proc for a measly 60k

they sell their own mettle for loads
that is why
60k is absurd though for craft+mettle orb
they don't sell 100% chance for 5k
hard to believe
you have to be a moron to sell your own mettle that cheap
well
when you barely get any every week
its NA ppl ur talking about
the 1/3 burger failed cus they thought a quarter pounder was bigger
they are both 5k for mettle
that's how much it is on US stormrage
in my guild i do 3k per orb and 10k on global
except for LW, i have basically every tradeskill capped on different toons
i do 5k
fuck charging 60k thats fucking absurd
im also on tarren mill lol
on massive pop servers there's a lot of competition, you'll always find someone who'll hit it with mettle for 5k
not on eu
yeah thats why i said EU is fucked
i do 10k and i am probably one of the cheapest
but i am lucky to have an enormous backlog of mettle
because of loads of dragon shards
at the moment i have 7.6k
even most of the day you'd be able to find max rank crafters spamming trade willing to craft/recraft for whatever tips
eu friends are vicious capitalists sounds like
i spent 20 mins in that trade chat today
there was nothing below 10k
where 10k was like 44% proc
if i was on tarren mill i would've crafted for you
i dont mind paying 10k for a craft but then id want it guaranteed
on reasonable prices

i do 10k for 100% and 5k for gambol proc
Pretty much, no bother to me
What’s driving the underlying cost for people to ask for/offer so much gold on 486 crafts? Is it scalping or legit?
(I don’t fully understand what it’s going towards other than the crafters time and minor inconvenience of flying to the other side of Valk)
time
mettle costs time
either way it doesnt matter, 60k is ridiculous
but also anything under 5k is also ridiculous
Yes the highest I’ve seen anyone offer in trade on Frostmourne was 25k and that’s insane.
well as far as offers go
it depends
if its a hard to get recipe and the person has been looking for days
From my perspective anyway. I know lots of people are running around on longbois but I’ve got a small pool of gold.
There’s some premium but at the end of the day it’s pushing a button.
like i wouldnt offer anything more than what the crafter is charging
killed mythic gnarlroot no shield dropped tho feelsdbadman
ive killed him 4 times, few vaults too, still nothing 
People charging 60k? How do I get into that market lmao
I offer it for free with tips if you want and barely get any biters lol
is the signet brand damage anything to worry about?
nope
sick
no self inflicted damage by whatever is anything to worry about
be it trinket, weapons, embelishments etc
Fall damage can be
is augury good trinket for prot war
in terms of damage options, obviosly other trinket will be the cheat death
why obviously
does cheat proc often for you that you absolutely need it?
because if it isnt, youre pretty much wearing nothing there
so you have a dead slot
tyrannical i always wear it
augury is fine
fortified is hit or miss
Interesting. For me its the other way around. Tyrannical i use dps for fortified i always run cheat
Or ran
yeah fort cheat death trinket gets a lot more value
based on my own personal deaths
Kick, LOS, AOE kick talent for Command
some people play disrupting shout
Ideally you rely on your ranged (and comm them to do so) to kick creatures in
Or displace them inwards with stuff like typhoon, grip, RoP, etc.
Currently pugging doing low keys, so that is not possible xD
yeah but still
4-man on a tyr would be fucking horrific
I got a heroic gorehowl for my efforts
Nice.
guess I can undelete my fury spec now
gross
Also there are some badass 1hers I wanna use for my fury mog set
Is there like a cheat sheet or things I should be spell reflecting or using spell block on
I get almost no value from spell block at the moment
in the pins

Does anyone know DR on secondary stats? have 6k haste and don't know if that is WAY too much
Look a few messages up at someone's name
That being said, sim your stats if you're ever concerned
today i saw a blood dk with 1.3kk health and a bear with 1.8kk Whats the average health of a decently geared prot warr?, im curious
30% technically but nobody cares about dr
Guess it depends upon what you consider decently geared. I’m a bit short of 1.3kk at 477 ilvl personally, but it’s gonna vary based off what you get your ilvl from.
You have to rely on your DPS to kick, quite often
I'm 1.3kk with 480.
What an odd way to type 1.3m
I respect it
guys is it true that the greater essence is unique ? and can be used only once a week
the one that fyrak hc drops ?
Oh ye you can use however many you get
It's basically tied to loot-lock and that's it, same goes for the smaller ones, however many you get, that many you can use
someone said its not worth cuz you can only use greater essence once a week
so thats fake
right?
ofc you can use it multiple times but it only works once
iirc if you get f.e. Fyrak HC, you get "combined" one, so you don't get them from lower diff, but you get the same buff
I think that was a comment on how the system will work, blue post or just some video, can't really tell now from where it was, but let me just pug normal to see if I get LFR after that
you need to start with the lowest difficult first
thats how i got 3 greater essences this week
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bad-luck-protection-on-legendary-axe-and-how-it-works/1724426/2 here is the blue post
Greetings heroes of the Dream! While Mythic champions begin to harness the intense Shadowflame within Fyr’alath the Dream Render, we’d like to share some details on how other denizens of Azeroth may get their hands on this igneous item. We have observed many thousands of Evokers swooping down into Aberrus to forge their new legacy and heard th...
It's the same as with Evoker lego, if you kill him on HC you get the chances from LFR + NM + HC
thanks i see now
does the atal dazar bleed gets consumed from t set?
No.
Blizz tooltips are so bad historically that people don't even read them anymore 
When a tooltip says "nearby", it's almost always 8 yards
cheers bud
I imagine this is what Sense and his teammates are in the PTR Mythic dungeon when figuring out what is blockable/reflectable and what not.
lol
@ionic fern speaking of things you can't spell reflect, guess what you can't spell reflect that was COMPLETELY unexpected to me

You know when you go left at the start of BRH and you fight the miniboss dude? His spirit blast or w/e is not reflectable 

Fortunately it rarely matters for me because I always go to the right there
What crafted Items are you guys using currently? Is lariet still viable?
I haven't played since S1, so i have it laying around
makes sense!
Got the shield crafted w shadowflame
but that was 3 weeks ago, so I could swap.
Got the raid one w crit/haste in my inventory
2x shadowflame is what we want. Eventually you'll want it on wrist/cloak since you can get away w/ not replacing them
since they're low stat budget items
Jep.
Phew. thought I F'd up with it
we like shields 
Also I'm now weirded out that I'm talking to you in 2 servers at the same time.
I crafted it with Vers/haste because Icyvein said its our main stat tho :kekw:
https://raider.io/characters/eu/blackrock/Mackzim my gear is a mess 
Pretty sure i wrote "haste>Vers>=Crit"
idk it looks fine to me
As long as it's a combination of haste/crit or Haste/Vers you're fine.
I'm not a cheat death trinket person but that's the only thing I'm like meh about
It was Haste, vers, crit when I looked it up. but no biggie
I pug, and only pug m+. It's my #1 item and I love it.
especially this week :kekw
Well
Llarold should have probably put them both on the same line
But he does specify that the difference is miniscule
I have so many trinkets laying around
What are you using?
I had that trinket in my vault this week and I took 4 tokens instead
That's how anti-cheat death trinket I am
so you too run 5/5 set? I like it
As if i had any other options.
I am using trash because prot isn't my main

As much as i hate it, it has saved me multiple times.
I play 5 different toons and my BM hunter kinda ended up my main this season so I'm behind
Though, each time i see it proc i know WHAT procced it and how to avoid it next time.
I think I'm using 441 sandglass and 441 vial from last season 

I'm ok with warrior atm honestly
It just feels like groups dick ride the meta
and I get declined alot
All the tank specs are pretty well balanced right now
they rather wait 20 mins for a dh than take warrior
Yeah, tale as old as time sadly
S3 feels especially good for Spellreflect
does the pattern on tindral mushroom spawn change in p3?
ye but this season it feels BRUTAL. they don't know subcreation just goes by % stats and not actually strenght of the class
like it aint 1 and then 3 directly opposite?
Haven't really paid any attention to it. 😦
In the highest level of keys, vdh isn't even really cemented as meta right now
Hell the world first 30 this season had a paladin tank, and so do a lot of other high keys
Every tank is represented in the top ~150 runs
Pretty sure even less.
I can see all tank specs in the top 25. 😂
Oh I was looking at top 25 keys, not players
Ah, okay.
well, top 150 keys w/e
Pikawar the 🐐
Getting into +25's /26's as warrior is a pain tho.
subcreations tier list is just missleading imo
Any tier list is misleading.
give a wrong picture

Me looking for Mwahi on this list
I like Dorki's
You can't find meeeeeeeeeeeee.
Cause my warriors name ain't Mwahi.
I feel like vdh just makes dungeons way easier when not all dpses are doing their jobs
Well
speaking as i play both a mage and prot war
and pala is just half a healer on top for the group to deal with high dmg
There's always safe picks for weekly key pugs
like the pull all mobs into silence is insane
for dungeons like waycrest and everbloom
double sigils is insane
VDH and ppal are both insanely strong tanks for your weekly keys because they can handle so much bullshit on their own
for silence and chain
yup
why did the leap pull mobs get removed from testing

then vdh gets this shit
idk that talent was kinda whack anyway
I only heard about it but it sounded nice
dont know if we had to drop smth for it or etc
The builds the top DHs are running are fucking weird tbh
They lose so much damage just to take last resort and chains
I like chains. 😦
You drop volatile flameblood or extended Spikes for chains. Depends on Build (m+/raid).
🤷 I don't even know what the talent tree looks like in detail.
I just like chains.
will we ever really replace a crafted 486 ring with a myth track one that doesnt have a socket, considering the 486 has more stats (besides stam)
or is the stamina gain from the 489 significant enough to warrant a switch
I find that dh love suicide and commit it at least 20 times in every pug key I do with one.
Is Dwarf still the mvp race for m+? Why not dark iron?
main stat seems nicer. (coming from an orc)
2nd most played is orc anyway so i should be fine
You're using dwarf for the debuff removal, not the DR/main stat so the value of either of those effects is minimal. Dwarf is generally preferred because they actually get a passive damage increase (2% crit damage) while DID gets no damage.
quick question, is there a sweetspot or cap for haste?
@lusty grotto
Holy fick mythic larodar is dead. What a shit show of a fight for prot

@lament musk how ya doin bud?
great kabanmister hope you're good too
morning
Morning my friend

come back to Arthas so you can make my bracers lol
Good Morning All! Happy Friday
👋
we really out here video gaming
they playin the computer game
honestly im sure smolderon is fun asf to prog on
any boss that is like sludgefist is pog
We pulled it for the last 10 minutes of raid just to make sure everyone’s WAs were working before next week and died to the first orb set over and over and over..
Lmao
Going to be a fun one
Working on Volcoross mythic and I was getting worked last night. Should we take 4 stacks instead of 8 of volcanic for each tank and then swap for jaws?
Huh?
Anyone got tips for smolderon I’m tanking on warrior and dps are dying every intermission phase (when he kneels down) I’m throwing rallying cries every time don’t know how ppl are dying
well if ppl die in intermission they either get hit by fire or cant live the ticking damage
and smolderon get buffed if ppl dont collect their orbs
not your job to keep them alive, tell them to stay out of rings
thats the dps phase


