protection

[strong forum]

It's pretty good in m-

[dusky canopy]

I looted vault in arms spec and that trinket showed up LOL

[strong forum]

Beats most other trinkets

Are you sure you are in arms spec?

Cuz it's only on tank loot table

[dusky canopy]

100%

Look at hot bar

And yes

Correct loot spec

[strong forum]

Weirf

[dusky canopy]

I couldnt believe it

[gloomy vortex]

Where can I see what loot is available in prot spec?

Please

[strong forum]

Go to said dungeon/boss

And select loot spec in adventure journal

[gloomy vortex]

Ah so that’s the only way

[strong forum]

And see what drops what

[dusky canopy]

Oh just realized picture loaded late lol

But yeah..

That helm had a socket though

[toxic pewter]

r u sure your lootspec was not set to protection

[blazing condor]

You got almost the same vault as i did

At least item wise

[dusky canopy]

Confident, I specifically check that before every vault out of habit

[toxic pewter]

definitely interesting

[dusky canopy]

I guess my screenshot doesn’t prove that though lul

[left basalt]

so true, i had people in the raid last night like ummm... ok

[toxic pewter]

they had the opportunity to make gholak badass as hell

instead they did the exact opposite lmao

[left basalt]

yeah i used the graphic for like 2 mythics, and was like hell no

[sick sentinel]

i

umm oops. sorry mb

[uneven mason]

At least lfr isn't a slog for the last 2 bosses

[silk cave]

What is the maximum haste and other status that I have to have to be effective in the warrior tank?

[ionic hamlet]

I did tindral on my disc priest and it was brain dead

Lfr I mean

[uneven mason]

Whatever is on your gear

@warm plinth

[opaque quest]

Go 7500 mastery

Nothing else

And just crit block everything

Also there are no stats in the stickys so dont try to read them like the fucking discord rules tell you to do

[median tulip]

There is no stat array that will make up for poor play, and no stat array that can't be effective in the hands of a skilled player. How you play is more impactful than any particular piece of gear.

[polar wedge]

you think we can loot Fyralath in tank spec if we have arm loot spec?

[toxic pewter]

can drop in any loot spec

[polar wedge]

ok weird

[grizzled nova]

drops as personal loot for the elligible classes

[sick sentinel]

all the things addon can tell you what dungeon an item drops from and for what spec

[polar wedge]

and if I've killed fyrakk in hm do i still have a chance to loot it in nm?

[grizzled nova]

Yep

[polar wedge]

ok

[grizzled nova]

Should be doing fyrakk in every difficulty you can for the greater pity item regardless, if you wan the axe.

[sick sentinel]

unless im mistaken, its you get loot options up to whatever boss you killed

and then when you kill it, from then on you can see loot from those bosses in vault

i.e cant see final boss loot if you never did final boss, but once you cleared final boss another week you could kill other bosses and have chance of final boss loot

its a a bit weird

[polar wedge]

you can't have leg in vault what are you talking about

[strong forum]

nah, if you kill on heroic thats all your loot chances done for normal and lfr

heroic accumulates all chances from normal and lfr

mythic accumulates all chances from heroic normal and lfr

[next yacht]

what do you recommend guys?i have crafted shield

[warm plinth]

Shield

[plush tendon]

I feel like you take shield

do you mythic raid/will kill Gnarlroot mythic?

[warm plinth]

Unless you're mythic raiding, that's your only shield source at max level

[modern gazelle]

I recommend not opening as prot. Not crafting shield when you can easily farm and simming for best vault slot

[cinder nova]

What's the soft benchmark for haste with ITF

I know raw at 7100 you hit the second breakpoint for DR

But I recall someone saying something like 6400 + x5 ITF also suffices

[dusky canopy]

5400+itf

[vestal moat]

Is Ursine trinket better than hourglass in m+?

[cinder nova]

sim it

1 minute 5 boss targets

Dungeon Slice is a trap

[vestal moat]

should probably be 2 min sim, give ursine a chance to ramp

it takes a minimum 90 seconds to ramp to the top right

[cinder nova]

I mean, depends on if you chainpull a lot

Most packs wont last a minute anyway

Unless you're like high 20's fort keys

And even then kinda... not?

[light dune]

damn

both are great

and the ring is a 33 ilvl upgrade

but im never going to replace that chest

simming as we speak 😔

[dusky canopy]

personally I would take myth track tier over non weapon/trinkets

[light dune]

viable choice

[dusky canopy]

You’ll never replace myth track tier so it’s a solid investment

[light dune]

sim says its a 0.2% difference

sim doesnt take into account im 2/4 set and im going to use a dream infusion to be 4/4

so its definitely better to pick the chest

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[charred ivy]

what trinkets would u guys use/reccomend for m+?

[timber nest]

Brand and fyrakk trinket?

Branch is really good too

[rigid badge]

I am using Fyrakk and Stonescale atm

What do you guys think about Ember of Nullification from BRH?

[karmic plinth]

its a stat stick and its 'fine'

[sick sentinel]

TRUE AND REAL

or something

except, swap wcm with ad

and thats about it it for me.

[dusky canopy]

Uh

That is not how it is for me

[karmic plinth]

brh is my personal favourite

[dusky canopy]

Rise is dogshit

[sick sentinel]

way crest is by and away the dungeon i am most comfortable with

[dusky canopy]

Pugs fail dios miserably

[restive scroll]

brh is so easy though

[sick sentinel]

but witches and lady waycres pink swirlies can really hurt

see for me bfa dungeons are mostly easy

atal dazar is very technical and you need a good clean run

but its stil a very good dungeon

[plush tendon]

what a bad take

ToT is actually really fun

Everbloom, big pulls all day every day! (except lass boss has way too much health)

[neat prawn]

am i dumb dumb or why am I not seeing nightmare egg shell in the wowhead trinket tier list?

[uneven mason]

Because it's not good enough

[neat prawn]

oh, so it's even worse than the spider trinket? interesting

[uneven mason]

No, spider is in there to ward people away from that dumpster fire

Because it's a massive newbie trap

[neat prawn]

fascinating are the ways of the prot warriors

[uneven mason]

Wow head guide is written by a monk

So

But it's not the worst trinkets, but there are better, if you have one and want to know if it's worth using over other items you'll have to

[left basalt]

seriously?

[modern gazelle]

In what world?????

BRH is by far the easiest dungeon. Atal final boss on tyr is nearly impossible on high keys without a coordinated team. DHT 2nd boss nukes us, and final boss does a lot of damage to squishies.

WM is fairly simple

Rise is definitely the harshest timer

Tott isn’t really rough and I don’t get why people think it is.

EB bosses on tyr do hurt but overall the dungeon is very time able on any week even at high keys

Fall is free if people don’t suck on 2nd boss

[uneven mason]

I mean he plays all tanks, but yeah

[karmic plinth]

he writes a very good beginners guide

[uneven mason]

Indeed

I just poke fun because he started writing tank stuff while maning brm during "the Fetid Log" era

[karmic plinth]

💀

[uneven mason]

Where you legit didn't have to press buttons as brm

[spice rivet]

Is the poision from the Rockspine stingers in Everbloom reflectable

checked the google doc and those mobs arent listed

[sick sentinel]

Me when trying new pull or tech in a key.

[spice rivet]

@shut summit above quesion mr sense

[warm plinth]

I am 98.63% sure it's not, but it probably isn't listed because the only way you could reflect it is RNG since it has no cast time and is randomly targeted.

[spice rivet]

was just curious since the DHT spiders can be reflected

but the aoe still hits players

wondering if it was the same for the stingers

[warm plinth]

Well if you decide to test it, log it and show Sense the reflect in the log and he'll add it.

[left basalt]

I was wondering because wowhead has very different trinket selection vs the FAQ or even Icy Veins

[warm plinth]

Or lack of reflect, either way

[shut summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice rivet]

dang

[modern gazelle]

Will you be posting vids of keys anytime soon?

[uneven mason]

Sense doesn't want to break our hearts and reveal they're running survival hunter this season

[shut summit]

ya eventually, just been randomly doing them so haven't really been recording

[flat stratus]

does leggo on any specs ?

[modern gazelle]

Alright, I like to watch to learn tricks for high keys usually so always helpful when you do post

[modern gazelle]

What?

[flat stratus]

drops *

sorry xD

[karmic plinth]

drops regardless of loot spec

[spice rivet]

at least in the base version of everbloom it looks like you cannot reflect the vemon like the dht spiders

[uneven mason]

RIP

[faint swift]

I have Gholak, the Final Conflagration HC should I take the wep myth or head OO

[blazing condor]

Myth track head

Gholak is bis

Until u get it on mythic

[faint swift]

ty

[sour coral]

How much dps should I be looking at I’m doing 80k overall 18 ad

Just feels low compared to other tanks

[dusky canopy]

Really depends how big you pull / talents

[sour coral]

I only pug so don’t do big pulls

People can barely interuot a bird on ad let alone bigger pulls

Just feel like bdk guardian Druid brew all do more not sure on prot pally

[dusky canopy]

Prot war does great damage just not the highest possible

[sour coral]

80k is bad for a 18 ad then ?

[opaque quest]

I did 80k in azure vault in season 1

Do with that info what you will

[sour coral]

So yes it’s bad

Should o be migrating less ?

[opaque quest]

You dont spam IP if thats what you mean

You use it when you would overcap otherwise

[sour coral]

Errrr lemme check ip meaning

[opaque quest]

Ignore pain

[sour coral]

Oh yeah I d on spam it

Don’t

[opaque quest]

Whats your ilvl/trinkets?

[sour coral]

467:/

[opaque quest]

80k seems gigalow but if youre 420 its ok

[sour coral]

Yeah see

[restive scroll]

It's not good, but it's not that bad either

[blissful iris]

leggo question .. if i killed heroic Fyrakk do i still get a chance on normal as well?

[sour coral]

I got accelerating skyhlass trinket and a pointless one

[opaque quest]

80k is pretty meh. Farm rezan trinket and check again

[dusky canopy]

It’s a bit different now vs s1/2 you prio TC over revenge

[sour coral]

Blazebinders hoot 437 lol or emeber or nullification

[dusky canopy]

But you still only press ip to prevent rage cap

[worthy briar]

When you get the new 4 set your damage will go up

[opaque quest]

Ye get some decent trinkets and youll do 30k more kekw

New tier set also adds another 30k

[sour coral]

I’m in 4 piece :/

This is my problem

Somethings wel off

[worthy briar]

I just got both my trinks from heroic off last boss damage is big now

[dusky canopy]

More than likely you just need to press buttons more

Press all CDs on cd

[left basalt]

#sendit

[sour coral]

So only ever ignore pain when gonna max rate

[dusky canopy]

Press SS as much as possible

[sour coral]

Never anywhere else

[dusky canopy]

Press TC after SS as much as possible

[opaque quest]

If you feel like youre dying spam it

But thats rarely the case

[dusky canopy]

Prevent rage cap with IP

And if you can’t SS or TC revenge

[opaque quest]

Rather spent the rage on revenge to reset SS

[pallid quiver]

This means you press IP a lot, by the way

[sour coral]

Yeah

[pallid quiver]

If you aren't pressing it a lot only to avoid overcapping, you're not pressing enough of your proper buttons

[uneven mason]

Since we have more gcd being spent on other things IP use is higher due to less revenges

[sour coral]

Okay thankyou

[dusky canopy]

You will press ip a lot

[pallid quiver]

Also, yeet your CDs on cooldown, no thoughts head empty

[dusky canopy]

But you can press it to much and lose damage

[sour coral]

So what dps should I be aiming at minimum

[pallid quiver]

When starting to try and get more damage, don't even think about if a pack's about to die soon or not, just send it

[worthy briar]

Yeah just go smooth brain as a warr

[sour coral]

I know my trinkers suck but other than that

[uneven mason]

I generally pace myself to 1 IP per SS reset

[pallid quiver]

You should be able to easily get 100k min even with downtime/small pulls

[dusky canopy]

Shoot for like 3 million and settle for like 150k

[pallid quiver]

You can definitely hit up to like 160-ishk depending on dungeon/pull sizes, iirc

[worthy briar]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-braveheart-yell-yelling-roar-gif-19285824

[sour coral]

Damn okay thankyou doesn’t help I pug and see bad groups I mean I couldn’t tel if was good or bad when got dps in 18s doing 90-110k haha

[dusky canopy]

Yeah they’re just bad

Should be doing 200k plus

[sour coral]

Wasn’t until jumped on dk alt like 431 last season and i do 80k on that plus obvs more healing

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, DPS should be doing over 200k easily over a key unless they spend most of it on the floor

[sour coral]

Right okay thankyou so maybe it’s not just me but my overall runs aswell

[pallid quiver]

please fotm disc priest i beg of you i'm just a lowly enha i only have the one defensive CD and one whack ass HP boost

[sour coral]

I’ve seen 2 dps so far do over 200k by end of a key haha

Was a dh and a hunter :p

[pallid quiver]

Your own damage should be pretty much unaffected by what the DPS do, since you control the pace and are pretty much 100% self-sufficient if you're not going big boy energy

which is one of the neat things about playing a tank in M+

[sour coral]

Us warriors are ment to be pretty self sufficient ?

[dusky canopy]

Also for reference in the damage boost dungeons dps do 300k

[teal swift]

Tank level dps

[dusky canopy]

200k in the regular non cheese dungeons

[pallid quiver]

You should at worst on an average moment need a passive healing hot on decent key levels, so about 20s-24s

Barring boss mechs or bigger pulls

If you're playing around pugs being whack, indom healing should pretty much keep you fine off as long you're playing properly

[sour coral]

Obviously some things defensively im not doing right also then thankyou haha

[dusky canopy]

Just play and practice don’t sweat it to much

Ask questions when you have them

[sour coral]

I just was mostly worries I wouldn’t climb much more and that it would be faster me gesr up a old tank

Im Davîs draenor btw 🙂

2.1k io which is why I worries I would struggle now

[modern gazelle]

Things are looking good so far this season for us boys! Buffs incoming 😂

[sour coral]

I think bdk will shoot up with Lego’s

[opaque terrace]

Hey does someone know why i cant put a socket on my crafted Helm (Flurrishing Dream Helm)?

[modern gazelle]

I think leggo will be much less important than people originally thought

[sour coral]

Unlike the evoker one then ?

[modern gazelle]

Cause it’s crafted

[teal swift]

Prot Warrior always looks like this

[opaque terrace]

But i can on the Frostfire belt

[teal swift]

It's the least played tank class.

[modern gazelle]

Jk tbh but I would guess that’s why

[teal swift]

It's either OP #1

Or no one plays it

[modern gazelle]

Try reloading UI

[uneven mason]

The reason why vdh is top has nothing to do with anything that the Lego would adress

[sour coral]

I always love idea of war because the simplicity of the class

[sour coral]

Ah okay I wasn’t sure

[opaque terrace]

i try after the superbloom wo restart the game

[modern gazelle]

Also frostfire isn’t used this season I don’t believe. X2 shadow flame.

[uneven mason]

It's the fact pal and vdh both have interrupts flying out of their ass

[sour coral]

I like bdk and frost seems like could be fun (not really tried) unholy just not for me and warr I acc enjoy all specs which is why I wanna stick with it permanent

Yeah pal interupts seem super nice as no need try

[vocal flame]

Prot war is king because we are the OG tank, carry a shield, have shield block and we ignore pain how cool is that.

[teal swift]

Prot Pal is cooler

[sour coral]

Yeah exactly just nice simple a tank

[teal swift]

Apart from castle doctrine

Leave the castle

[vocal flame]

No we dont need a bible to tank

[teal swift]

You die

[vocal flame]

We need grit

[restive scroll]

well, some of us can loose the arm handling the shield because of low muscle mass

[uneven mason]

Only if you're into Grandma's windchime collection

[teal swift]

Wind chimes are fucking poggers

[vocal flame]

lol

[teal swift]

I vote we get flavoured crayons

[uneven mason]

I heard hammer of wrath has flavored glue, check there

[teal swift]

No thanks

Prot Warrior > prot paladin discord

Go hang out In prot paladin for like an hour

Your brain will melt

That said holy paladin. General has lots of cat posting

[vocal flame]

are they all in moon guard?

[teal swift]

The environment is just

Not as chill

[uneven mason]

Last time I was there I witnessed someone with a pedophile anime girl pfp yelling at the weebs to GTFO of the discord. Even I had no words for the irony lost

[worthy briar]

Warr tanks are what the big boys play

[uneven mason]

"boomers"

[worthy briar]

Ya we are the boomers of the tank world

[uneven mason]

My EverQuest warrior is older than most paladin tanks

[tired forge]

think of it like this, all other tanks relies on some form of magic to make their fantasy

meanwhile prot warriors r just simple humans that laugh at gods

[worthy briar]

Yeah just don't make us bleed

[tired forge]

turn ur Avatar on, ur become stone=gg

[uneven mason]

The fuck you calling human

[tired forge]

then what are we?

[uneven mason]

Go dwarf or go home

[tired forge]

ahh maybe i missed what i was trying to say

[worthy briar]

Lol

[uneven mason]

"mortals"

[tired forge]

what i meant was we are mere mortals who rose above others

[vocal flame]

If they were on horde I would be one

[tired forge]

Goblins are low-budget dawrves

[uneven mason]

Tauren or lady orc is acceptable horde

[vocal flame]

Undead baby!

[worthy briar]

Troll is life

[tired forge]

goddamit u make me wanna abandon my sassy Blooddelf, Trolls r the best

[worthy briar]

Zand troll looks the part

[tired forge]

except for feet, wtf is that

[worthy briar]

Yeah feet are ruff

[opaque terrace]

Reload did not helped :/

[bleak breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-2-hotfixes-for-dec-12th-2023-one-more-tindral-hotfix-and-more-bug-fixes-336700?webhook

Yo yo guys

Is the counterweight buff another additional buff there or same one?

It’s flat 20%

[jagged pier]

no its the same buff

i believe

[warm plinth]

It is, yeah. The previous article was a data mine I believe. Wasn't a blue post.

[opaque quest]

I was doing 250k in Bracken last season and 190 in FH. 200k is defo doable

With shitty UH too

But welp. Ppl like to lick the floor

[cosmic dagger]

Hello, Guys pls help, Sims are telling me to go for more mastery. Was it not that mastery is not good stat for tanking?

[bleak breach]

Mastery is a great stat for tanking

[uneven mason]

It's a good stat

[bleak breach]

Gives crit block

[uneven mason]

We don't have any "bad" stats

[cosmic dagger]

i have now unbuffed 42%

[uneven mason]

And sims are for dps

[bleak breach]

It’s normally our worst dps stat, but once you get to a certain ilvl it will recommend some due to DR on other sub stats

[uneven mason]

Like you can't sim tankyness

[waxen frigate]

Sims can’t tell you anything about tankiness explicitly. They’re for simulating damage. And in many/most cases Dps increases from stats correlate with tankiness increases

[opaque quest]

My warr is running a crit mas ring cause deepz

[uneven mason]

That's not quite it, but the sentiment is close

[opaque quest]

Mastery is still ap

[bleak breach]

Rip the dream

[cosmic dagger]

but there for sure some % crit and haste what is recommended. i once saw even Prot warrs with 20+Versa. So im Confused on what stat shall i focus to enter 23+ keys

[pallid quiver]

Ilvl

[uneven mason]

Basically all stats work together, and cause each other to scale in value, so if you're ignoring mastery, chances are you'll see it pop up at the top since your crit haste and vers have hit a point where you'll scale from more ap

[pallid quiver]

oh i was in the middle of replying

AT ANY RATE

to enter 23+ you need ilvl

[bleak breach]

They’re all very close, Ilvl and haste are king

[pallid quiver]

And having stats

It doesn't matter how much haste, crit, vers, mastery, leech, speed, avoidance you have as long as you just have stats

[uneven mason]

@warm plinth

[cosmic dagger]

i have these stats with versa potion active

[pallid quiver]

Neat 🙂

[uneven mason]

Our stats priority is
More > Not more

[bleak breach]

What’s vers scaling like for you now? Would have to be fairly high recommendation

[uneven mason]

Vers suffers from being a hefty bitch, it's quite expensive per ilvl

[bleak breach]

I’ve got a lot of vers lol

Started investing in more crit/mastery though I think I’m at 6.5k haste

[uneven mason]

I haven't looked at my stats in months

[cosmic dagger]

Guys, ty all like always for you advices ❤️

[uneven mason]

I just be like "oh it's more" *equip

Except for the smokderon trinket

I stole a normal one from the alt run

Using it over a heroic roots

[sick sentinel]

final boss time for that old school game. probably be 2 hrs + if im unlucky, then its back to wow

[sick sentinel]

he's quite over powered actually

hes the fuckin emperor

shoots rapid fire homing expoding skulls at me

[cinder nova]

Honestly only time I had to put a game down was the Demon of Hatred in Sekiro with bell + no charm.

And even then, after finally conquering that bastard, tangling with Ashina is a fucking nightmare on the same level.

[silent vessel]

got gholak hc version tonight feelsgoodman

[cinder nova]

Yooj

[uneven mason]

Doing max difficulty pacifist foxiest of the hounds in Deus ex HR nearly broke me

Literally beat the game without killing anyone and never being detected

[bleak breach]

Yeah nice, I got hero one from the cache last week and lost an augury to a grey parse BM hunter who then took a break from game 2 days later

[left basalt]

Finished my last portal today during lunch, its not much but first xpac as pwar.

Anytime anyone in my guild has issues I always direct them to the class discord, this place is sooooo helpful for everything <3.

[uneven mason]

I mean, skyhold is unique

Other class discords

[waxen frigate]

Skyhold, where places like fury and protection are bastions of polite theorycrafting and learning

[warm plinth]

I didn't even know you could see stats on pwar tbh

[pallid quiver]

That doesn't sound accurate, but I can only attest to half of that statement

[warm plinth]

And the occasional apb hot take

[restive scroll]

btw, why is 7k1 the "cap" ?
Does it reduce the GCD to one sec?
Is it because degressive is too aggressive to make it even worthwhile at all?

[waxen frigate]

And Yogi doomposting

[warm plinth]

Well, it's technically lower than 7.1k but we've come too far to change it now. It's 40% haste via rating which is shortly after you enter the 20% diminishing returns tier.

[pallid quiver]

Combination of DR kicking in harder and how stats interact; having more haste makes other stats more valuable, not only because going from 40% to 41% is less of an increase than 1% to 2%, but also because more haste makes crit/vers/mastery do more

[waxen frigate]

I’m 7.1k io

I don’t experience any diminishing returns

[warm plinth]

I still don't think you broke 4k. I think you're making it up

[pallid quiver]

He definitely broke 4k

[waxen frigate]

Yeah well maybe keep your mouth shut about things you don’t understand and learn to respect your betters, rat

[pallid quiver]

Came into my house and slammed my monitor into the ground

[warm plinth]

Accurate

[restive scroll]

alright, so it's really simply because other stats take other

but technically, for the lolz, you could go higher without real downside

just less optimized

right?

[warm plinth]

Yep. Haste becomes more expensive and thus other stats creep up in value relatively speaking

[pallid quiver]

If you wanted, sure, you won't get shot for it or anything

[restive scroll]

I wouldn't be against trying the gameplay with a 1s gcd, if that's still somehow possible

[waxen frigate]

Uhhh

[warm plinth]

Well, you're significantly increasing the requirement for a % of haste that you could be spending on other stats (which would be cheaper aside from vers)

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-notice-michael-weston-jeffrey-donovan-gun-gun-cock-gif-5251811962530075660

[pallid quiver]

don't worry, that gun isn't loaded

[restive scroll]

Of course, I'm really talking about doing it for weird stuff

[pallid quiver]

we're not allowed to shoot people since like mop

[restive scroll]

not to be optimized

[pallid quiver]

We can look cool with it tho

[waxen frigate]

Call me Alec Baldwin

[warm plinth]

1s gcd isn't possible with just your own haste. 40% is not the last DR and they increase faster with every DR tier

(Technically 39% but like I said, we've come too far)

[restive scroll]

Not possible anymore then, got it

Cool to know the detail a bit behind that general advice

[bleak breach]

Imagine Skyhold without an APB hot take or Yogi

Our lives would be meaningless

[warm plinth]

Yeah like the 2nd DR is at 39% haste, 3rd DR (which is 30%) is at 47%, etc.

[bleak breach]

We need a bit more from APB to be honest, I haven’t seen a good one in a while

[waxen frigate]

Your life is as valuable as a summer ant

[warm plinth]

So they are bigger and come faster each time

[restive scroll]

Yeah, I was trying to see if I felt the difference between 2nd DR and 4th

[pallid quiver]

muh fighting games are spilling over into prot chat and it's not because of me for once

[restive scroll]

I will do some login after I finish my raids

[pallid quiver]

also

[restive scroll]

just for the sake of curisity

[warm plinth]

Also keep in mind that only rating counts toward DR

[waxen frigate]

I’m a high tier warrior

[warm plinth]

% increases are unaffected

[restive scroll]

One thing I'm unclear on that, is thet owling rune. Looks like rating, but is it?

[warm plinth]

It is, yes

[pallid quiver]

*literally, is as valuable

[restive scroll]

good to know

[waxen frigate]

[restive scroll]

ty @warm plinth & @pallid quiver

I don't have that much wiggle room, but I'll see if I can get to 5DR for the lolz

[pallid quiver]

No worries, glad to help with whatever we did

[jagged pier]

it would be a blessed place

[warm plinth]

Lmao

[restive scroll]

9k2 sounds difficult with str trinkets, possible ish with one, easy with 2

[opaque quest]

Only if you eat toe

[gloomy vortex]

Randomly the group ready check icon has gone top left corner can't see how I can move this, any ideas?

[sick sentinel]

i died to final boss level twice now

[opaque quest]

Close it then hold right click if it is elvui

And drag it

[cinder nova]

Holy shit why is warrior even lower pop this tier than last?

[sick sentinel]

i just have to practice it like 2 or 3 more times then i'll have it

[cinder nova]

Only 5 PWarr have killed M Smold

[blazing condor]

hello i hate pugging fyrakk

[opaque quest]

Cause DK gets axe

Also DH is fotm

So 2 tanks are kinda locked in

Then some druids didnt get the memo that they are shit now

3 tanks locked in

[opaque quest]

hello i hate pugging fyrakk im dad

[bleak breach]

Probably because of Legendary and DH buff

[waxen frigate]

Basically no reason to swap to warrior. And another round of reasons people may want to swap from it

[cinder nova]

Honestly wild. I'm 11th world in M perf by virtue of just having killed bosses.

That's a sad day

[uneven mason]

Bullying Yogi again Jakey!

[opaque quest]

Playing prot in MHW too baby

Tiny shield dont burn me

[pallid quiver]

my condolences for raiding

[bleak breach]

Raiding is fun

[bleak breach]

What’s MHW

[uneven mason]

Monster hunter

[bleak breach]

Ohhh didn’t realise it was still running haha

[uneven mason]

Yeah it's pretty good

[bleak breach]

Some of them things were so painful to try and kill

The stupid unicorns

[uneven mason]

Just announced another expansion

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-goodnight-tired-cute-sleepy-gif-16241163

[bleak breach]

Like after iceborne?

[pallid quiver]

jakey get angy when sleepy

[jagged pier]

tru actuall

[cinder nova]

I dunno, I like getting CE.

I've only gotten it on Sark and Ghuun

But I want to get it more consistently

Once I can do that, I dunno what I'll do

Maybe just mainline PVP like a degen

See if I can glad

[pallid quiver]

I cannot be arsed to deal with 19 other WoW players on a set schedule of my time every week

[uneven mason]

Oh shit thanks for reminding me, comp stomp

Gotta farm those marks of honor

Get all my missing xmog

[bleak breach]

I didn’t really play much if iceborne, mostly just at the end of original, is there still much of an online player base?

[opaque quest]

Dont disrespect Kirin

World is going crazy. Probably because of wilds announcement. I find a grp instantly for anything

[bleak breach]

They’re aids man, I randomly walked up on one when I was severely under prepared and it ate me out

[uneven mason]

Phrasing

[opaque quest]

Ye kirin will eat your booty

[uneven mason]

We're talking about killing unicorns and dude is here speaking beastiality

[cinder nova]

Unicorns are sapient, so is it really?

[bleak breach]

Good fun, but I felt like I fought some of those monsters took hours to kill haha

[bleak breach]

[uneven mason]

It's a jrpg

[pallid quiver]

depends on unicorn implementation

[uneven mason]

FFXI literally had a boss that took hours to kill

[pallid quiver]

i know of at least one where they are more just emobodiments of primal forces of nature

[bleak breach]

That’s fair

[cinder nova]

That's such a weird use for them. Nothing about unicorn mythos strikes me as "primal nature".

[lusty tiger]

night jakey

[uneven mason]

I mean, EverQuest had bosses that took hours as well

But like 2 hours

Not 16

[cinder nova]

EverQuest was also the degenerate precursor of MMOs.

[bleak breach]

I told the misso I’d be about 5 mins when I started titan fight

[pallid quiver]

"took hours to kill"

FF11 had a lot of nonsense

Never forget them constantly patching out every method used to defeat Absolute Virtue

constantly

and telling players they were bad

and should feel bad

[bleak breach]

She got angry at me very quickly

[uneven mason]

Golden oldies

[pallid quiver]

but at least it's not like ultima online

[uneven mason]

Corpse camp online

That's what it was when I tried it in 98

[opaque quest]

The weird ppl say dogs and cats can consent tho

https://tenor.com/view/what-ill-the-puke-sick-gif-20637274

[pallid quiver]

That's lucky, honestly, from what I've heard

at least they told you to fuck off from the word go

instead of the god damn gang war kinda cabal

[uneven mason]

EverQuest the NPCs just fucked you up if you went anywhere without an enchanter/cleric/snare

Level 9 warrior thought I was going to solo my first orc centurion, then it hit 10% and started running.....back to camp

[sick sentinel]

ever quest is too ancient for me

for mmo

[uneven mason]

Bruh you're playing PS1 games

[sick sentinel]

old old old rs was first real mmo i did

not new old

[uneven mason]

But I agree, I can't touch EQ anymore

[sick sentinel]

no, like, old very old super old

carboard cut outs and 3 hit locked in combat in pvp

[gloomy vortex]

Dark Age of Camelot got me into MMO’s

Not sure if anyone played that

[sick sentinel]

but i like any game like that one i showed

[gloomy vortex]

Best pvp ever

[uneven mason]

Troll skald ftw

[sick sentinel]

aliens and explosions are a match made in heaven

lasers

robots

[gloomy vortex]

Troll Bonedancer

[sick sentinel]

eplosion NEVER gets old

[light dune]

question

[uneven mason]

42

[light dune]

can i sim something that i dont have in my bags/vault

like a random item

[uneven mason]

Yes

[light dune]

in raidbots?

which option

[sick sentinel]

one of the sims you can input custom gear

you have to tell it what the item is and ilvl and enchant etc

[light dune]

got it thanks

another question

which of these embellishments do i want on my ring

they seem irrelevant

[strong forum]

Flavour pocket

[uneven mason]

the flavor pocket

[light dune]

except maybe the increase damage when movement impaired

[uneven mason]

No because that counts as an embellishment

[strong forum]

You're limited to 2 embellishments total

[uneven mason]

Flavor pocket doesn't count

[cinder nova]

Get pocket if you can, but it's kinda just QOL. It's not gonna make or break anything you do.

[light dune]

alrighty thanks guys

57k on the AH

im going to pass

[opaque quest]

57k for piece of mind is good imo

[cinder nova]

For what?

[light dune]

for the pocket

[cinder nova]

Less than .05% main stat?

Who cares.

[opaque quest]

piece

of

mind

[light dune]

peace you mean

[cinder nova]

PEACE OF MIND FOR WHAT?

[opaque quest]

Ye peace that kek

[uneven mason]

For the people selling flavor pockets

[opaque quest]

I dont like being yelled at by addons because i forgor food

[cinder nova]

I'm not throwing away almost 60K for what amounts to exactly 0.00669322709% of my main stat.

[toxic pewter]

lol

it pays for itself

[cinder nova]

Really doesn't. Eggs are practically free.

[opaque quest]

Cookies are like 100g rn

Eggs are expensive too on DE

[toxic pewter]

it pays for itself for me cuz i die a lot

[cinder nova]

Yeah that'll do it

[opaque quest]

[cinder nova]

But yeah, summary: pocket will never decide the outcome of any run or pull. It's nice to have if you can afford it, or if you just are comfortable dropping that dime each season, but you can easily do the upper end of all PVE without ever even touching it.

[opaque quest]

wdym each season

You keep the crafted ring anyways

[timber nest]

I mean, feast takes less than 2 minutes to do on a toon. So if you don’t have 2 minutes for a chance at getting your own pocket…

[opaque quest]

I still use the same FP ring i did in S1

[light dune]

57k worth of food will last me the entire season and more

[cinder nova]

I mean you're still losing stats to take pocket, even if it's only secondary.

I dunno, I just find people who stan it severely overhype it.

Especially since it loses value the more stats we get.

[restive scroll]

Sortof, since you also take the stats are different from the lootable ones too

Might be better for some specs than others

(or less worse)

[opaque quest]

I mean ye this season you lose 3 ilvl

Or tops 6

I'd still keep my pocket cause im lazy and dont like to eat after death but ye. Mythic rings are better this season

You also get a free socket on crafted tho

Not gonna say QOL is needed. But its nice to have

[dusky canopy]

It’s worth it for the convenience

[restive scroll]

Also, you can't eat fortune cookie in m+, and you can't always spare 10s to eat

[opaque quest]

Sitting at dungeon entrance eating just feels bad while 4 others wait

[restive scroll]

But then again i'm the bad kind of player that sometimes die, so ..

[opaque quest]

Sure dont die but mistakes happen

[restive scroll]

(and i'm cheap)

So it's more than qol

[toxic pewter]

the pocket is not about the food itself its the time saving

saving you have to eat the dam food and shit

small minded individuals do not realize you are paying for the time savings

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-ha-got-heem-got-em-got-him-gif-4824899

[toxic pewter]

10 seconds over and over and then having to buy/cook more food

it adds up to a lot of minutes, those minutes turn to hours

i am over here saving that most precious rescourse known to all man

[opaque quest]

We are all right. The food buff is pretty meaningless now in Season 3 but every bit helps and 50k is nothing

[toxic pewter]

no. everyone is not right

[turbid shuttle]

Pretty sure sitting for a fresh buff is not worth the time it takes if you have to do it while clock is ticking.

[opaque quest]

Ofc not. I tried to be nice. We FP users are just superior and have to be nice to the common folk or they rise up and overthrow us

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremiah-johnson-robert-redford-nod-of-approval-yes-you-got-it-gif-3521589

[ashen coral]

Hello, how is calculated damage ability of thunder clapor revenge when there are more than 5 targets ? It says that damage is reduced but by how much ?

[uneven mason]

sqrt

[restive scroll]

Damn that's brutal

[light dune]

39% haste enjoyer here 😎

[vestal moat]

3 dps each doing 200k, plus a tank doing 100k and a heals doing 30k. An average group does 730k dps a second let's say on average. It's probably more but oh well. If they all sit around for 1 person to eat, that's the equivalent of 7.3 million damage lost to waiting around.

A food buff on average adds let's say 1k dps. That's 7,300 seconds just to break even. That's 121 minutes. Even if all 5 people lose their buff and stop to eat, that's 24.3 minutes of solid dps with that buff for that decision to break even.

Never ever wait for one person to eat from a time perspective on a key unless that buff is the difference between killing a tyrannical boss or not. Which it won't be.

[cinder nova]

1k is generous as hell.

Like, really generous.

[sick sentinel]

i finished that game hitting every node on the map, but thats only easy modse

there is still normal and hard mode with lower ammo/hp pool, and stricter time limits on count down timers, no enemy finder also

[bleak breach]

What nodes are there in wow

[small marsh]

for the sqrt scaling for reducing damage beyond 5 targets, would it just immediately kick you to 1/sqrt(6) at 6 targets?? Blizzard isn't that dumb, right? (Right? Please, god, please)

At that point going from 5 targets at 100% to 6 targets at... yeah 1/sqrt(6) is ~40%, you'd drop from 500% damage to 240% damage

I'm trying to figure out how they might do sqrt scaling for that without having really stupid, arbitrary cliffs in damage. All I can really think of would be like.... uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh 1/sqrt(x) where x is #Target/Cap (ie at 10 targets with a 5 target cap you'd get 1/sqrt(2) )

but idk

just trying to figure out how much damage I'm gaining or losing by pulling bigger or smaller if no one with massive uncapped AOE is around

[opaque quest]

Might aswell round up 5 targets, then 6 and check lowest hit

And do the %

[small marsh]

I'll do some testing and tinkering and try to spreadsheet some shit tonight after work, figured I'd see if anyone knows of anyone who's done the testing already

I couldn't find anything w google

[opaque quest]

I woudlnt be surprised if dmg beyond 5 drops to 1 immediately cause most of my dps on either 5 or 6 targets is pretty much the exact same

For sure subjective tho

[small marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/aoe-in-patch-9-1-5-the-math-behind-aoe-soft-caps-and-square-root-scaling-324101?fbclid=IwAR2DP58zXaxWorLpOYIkxs5EMoF2pJsIuOXk8gviSsBuGiJvUub5Pmb1f_s

actually finally found a thing

Total damage = (Damage on One Target) * (# Targets) * sqrt[(Target Cap) / (# Targets)]

it scales the way I was thinking

adding the 6th target on a 5 target cap gains you just under 10% more dmg

I think it's 547% instead of 500%

assuming both that that wowhead article is right and that it's still how it works

[blazing condor]

finally got fyrakk down

[small marsh]

YO NICE

[blazing condor]

4th kill so far and havent even seen gholak / aug

[pallid quiver]

muh parse tho

[small marsh]

I want Rageheart so bad

absolutely hornt up for that trinket

[pallid quiver]

Just get rageheart normal week 1 like me

Ez

[small marsh]

🥲

[opaque quest]

Just get gholak normal like me week 1

Ez

[blazing condor]

2nd week in a row i win a flame-warped curio though

wasted 100 roll

couldve used that on the signet that dropped

[small marsh]

got full heroic tier already?

[blazing condor]

got an 8/8 champion that im replacing

[small marsh]

I've got heroic signet 😄

[blazing condor]

otherwise i wouldnt roll

[small marsh]

aah

[pallid quiver]

I want brand qa

[small marsh]

oh anyone know, if you craft a high level piece of gear does it push your 'remembered ilvl' or whatever the right term is up to that ilvl

I'm about to hit 20 renown w/ dream wardens, was thinking of crafting 476 shoulders with it so I can upgrade my shoulders for just flightstones

cause I'm broke as fuck on Wyrm crests

[opaque quest]

Ye defo. I could upgrade my wep for free when i had 447 crafted from S2

Dropped a 463 from wardens and could make it 447 for free

[small marsh]

sweet, ty

[bleak breach]

Norm or heroic

[blazing condor]

Heroic

saying finally cus ive been tryna pug it most of the day

Or rather

Trying to get invited to a group

Despite 3x curved and 478 they still dont want me

[ionic hamlet]

hey are the weakauras in the resources page still good to use?

[frosty mango]

War tanks struggle bc pugs want dk/dh for grips

[pallid quiver]

Also war trash, garbage, can't tank +2s

[opaque quest]

Whats a +2

Ive been struggling during questing on my prot

Im lvl 22

[toxic pewter]

LOL just made some streamer rogue ragequit and block me

all in a days work

[bleak breach]

Classic apb

[opaque quest]

Probably hat one of his "takes" thrown around again

[toxic pewter]

i was like 'no1 tells me how 2 pull in this life'

cuz i chained some mobs into the first boss of fall

and he was like DONT CHAIN MOBS

[lusty grotto]

did his name start with a Z?

[opaque quest]

Bruh you wanna tank go tank

Otherwise i decide what i pull

If you dont want me to do something say it before the key

So i got time to decide if i wanna stay

[lusty grotto]

cause we had a rogue quit after 3rd boss in fall on the weekend

we added him to PBL

and he was on the group for my reclear yesterday

[toxic pewter]

he was saying cuz he is an assassination rogue i shouldnt chain pull. i dont even chain pull on bolstering week and i guess he had a point cuz apparently they want to start from stealth and it cost him 2 combo points apparently LOL

[lusty grotto]

and i fucking owned his roll on signet

[toxic pewter]

but it was into a boss

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah you wanna let them reset

[toxic pewter]

wont do it again

but still he was rude as hell

[sick sentinel]

old bolstering and chain pulling was horrific

[opaque quest]

The point here is stealth yogi

[lusty grotto]

esp sin that can aoe garrote

[toxic pewter]

yah but it was into the first boss of fall

cant silence the boss anyway

[lusty grotto]

yeah true

[opaque quest]

Not about silence

Garrote is a main dmg ability for assa

[toxic pewter]

but apparently he did lose like 2 combo points or some crap

yah

and buff his garrote from stealth

[opaque quest]

Garrote is 1 or 2 on details. Its pretty neat

But ye vanish

[toxic pewter]

yeah but he wanted vanish for his cd's i think

which they do also

[opaque quest]

You also got shadowdance for assa dont you

Which is stealth on crack

[toxic pewter]

point is i learn from my mistake but he argued with me and i had to argue back

[opaque quest]

I stopped arguing. I just quit

[toxic pewter]

but we all lost in the end

yeah he ended up leaving

[opaque quest]

Arguing gets you a behaviour warning

[toxic pewter]

that is true

he linked me his twitch and said watch someone do content you cant. learn your place & be better than me, then we'll talk.

LOL

[opaque quest]

But hes doing content with you

[toxic pewter]

im gonna follow his twitch

i will learn from this individual.

[opaque quest]

Gotta flame every stream with a new nickname

Streamsnipe his keys

And pull giga slow

God im a hateful bastard

[toxic pewter]

XD

[blazing condor]

My one premade rerolled assa

Hes up my ass every day about me chaining

[strong forum]

finished the leggo grind, tomorrow we craft

[blazing condor]

How much did it cost you?

[strong forum]

300k

[blazing condor]

Sure its a lot

But its not super unreasonable

Id pay 300k for mega bis for the rest of the xpac (probably)

[strong forum]

kinda is when 50% of the cost is just 2 items

the resonant crystals and the cosmic ink

is like 90k each

so dumb

[toxic pewter]

Whoa you got the legendary to drop?

[strong forum]

yes

[toxic pewter]

Jealous

[strong forum]

going from doing 20s with a 447 weapon to legendary 1 day later

50ilvl jump

curious how much overall dmg will increase

[toxic pewter]

[blazing condor]

I got like 30k worth of resonant crystals from disenchanting alone

Axe gonna be free trust

[toxic pewter]

You’re the first warrior I’ve heard/seen get it

[strong forum]

there are a few in #transmog

but yeh im the first person i see wielding it

havent seen anyone else in game yet

[opaque quest]

The transmoggs in there are so ugly

Apart from the one T3 tauren

[hardy snow]

lol, it does some dmg after recent changes XD

[strong forum]

nice!

now its only a 12-8% dmg loss!

huge

[hardy snow]

yea I know, but Im gonna wear it for gnarloot reclears anyway

[strong forum]

literally ANY trinket in the entire game

is better

[sudden fractal]

Not really, people like that deserve all they get

[cerulean tusk]

Why worry about trinky

equip counterweight

be balanced

[opaque quest]

I like that attitude. We can be real good friends

[warm plinth]

I see what you did there

[grizzled nova]

imagine they just make you redrop it and recraft it in fated

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/money-eyes-sponge-bob-mr-crabs-gif-5333317

Bobby kotick be like

oh sry

Phil spencer be like

[orchid mural]

Anyone think they'll calm the tank meta- the DH ability to control the packs is ridiculous and not comparable. 2 silences and a grip.

[opaque quest]

Dont hold your breath. Druid was broken all season

[strong forum]

wait till you find out that bear is still almost just as good

[cinder nova]

I'll be honest, I don't see the cringe over the cost of forging the Legendary.

[strong forum]

the cringe is the market manipulation

not the cost itself

[cinder nova]

Unless you're a hard solo player, guilds of players can just farm proffs and get it pretty readily.

As a way to extract materials out of the virtual market?

To inflate costs?

Thereby also extracting more gold out of the virtual market? Albeit... not nearly as much. AH fees are a footnote, but I'd be interested to see what they extracted each expansion.

Or just, in general.

[strong forum]

yeah that ship has sailed buddy

[cinder nova]

What do you mean

[strong forum]

tryna delete gold from the game via AH just aint workin

[cinder nova]

I mean, yeah probably. The AH trade fees are pretty negligible.

But I'd wager they've spiked from all the increase in trading as a result of the leggo hitting more hands, no?

I kinda just wanna see the stat for the sake of it, becuase I think it'd be neat.

I'm just schitzoposting, Nom. Don't mind me.

[strong forum]

Some people made millions of gold from the wow head post about the crafting mats

Cuz they spiked the market for cobraskins selling them for like 60k per skin

[pallid quiver]

yeah i made my money for the patch off that

Ngl

I didn't super stock like some people because I cba

But it'll carry my fees for crafting/consumes this patch

[strong forum]

I'm too lazy for that

[grim pilot]

cosmic ink is 25k

fyi

[pallid quiver]

I just hoarded whatever mats fot the categories wowhead datamined that one time

[grim pilot]

you can use any rank

not just rank 1

[strong forum]

Still insanely expensive on EU

[grim pilot]

resonant crystal alone

is more than other 2 parts combined

that whole awakened part is giga expensive

it slike 200k

[strong forum]

They weren't as bad as the crystals + ink + bark

Like a good 200k went into ink + bark + crystals

Rest was chump change compared to those

[grim pilot]

awakened part has crystals

not other ones

so those 90k count towards awakened part

its still crazy

[pallid quiver]

Oh shoot

Nome, did you see if you could vendor the leggo drop?

[strong forum]

You mean the weapon?

Before I got it as quest?

Cuz first you drop the equippable weapon

Which then turns into the quest item after you equip it

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that first weapon

I'm curious since I have zero interest in the leggo, so I'm trying to see if I can get any value whatsoever out of it if it drops

[uneven mason]

wtf

[warm plinth]

kek

surely you win one right?

[uneven mason]

yeah with my massive 3 7 and 14

just gonna content myself with the 476 normal one for now

[waxen frigate]

just get one from vault on your alt

duh

[pallid quiver]

That reminds me; do raid for me on my war this week, kthx

[uneven mason]

My BDK got one from vault

and looted a Fryak trinket

[hot light]

What is a good resource on what to spell reflect in dungeons ?

[warm plinth]

The reflect/block sheet in pins/faq

[hot light]

Ty

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-1901681372982085145

Nobody couldve known

[worthy briar]

the Augury trink is crazy doing 15% of my damage in raid

[pallid quiver]

I know augury does a lotta dam, but that sounds kinda high

[weary saddle]

my noobie macro stopped working all of a sudden. any idea why

[toxic pewter]

🤔

[worthy briar]

on igira mythic thinks pumping

[pallid quiver]

That looks more like you could be pressing more SS at a glance, but I'd have to see an actual log

[pallid quiver]

Also, you shouldn't be using that in general, but it should never really have worked and you just now noticed it. Macros generally stop once they hit a GCD, so you shouldn't get IP off of pressing that.

[weary saddle]

ok

[pallid quiver]

That's only part of the reason why, but it's why the IP bind in the pins has IP first, then Shield Slam.

[weary saddle]

seems like '/cast shield slam' as a macro does not work at all

even as a standalone

[worthy briar]

works for me

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

that one works fine

[pallid quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1YQV6gtF2v8RKCjm#fight=41&type=damage-done&source=2

Just looking at Sense's log, who has augury, it looks like yhe fight lasted roughly the same time, based in augury damage, but he got 3m more damage in shield slams than you

[worthy briar]

the augury damage is very random

[weary saddle]

i made a fresh macro, and it works now. even the noobie thing

very strange

[lusty grotto]

that macro is not for shield slamming

its for IPing and consuming a reset

so if the reset lands a split second too late, it wont SS

i.e. if the reset happens from devastator

[pallid quiver]

They're not using that macro

They're using a "put everything on the same button" macro

[lusty grotto]

jesus fuck

i see it now

holy christ

welp, at least we tried

how to instantly burn 60 rage in a macro lmao

"get rage starved in a button press guranteed!"

[pallid quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6JwhPkRW7FVcKd8A#fight=39&type=damage-done&source=9

There's another with augury about 4.5 mil damage at about a 5 min kill, they also did over 8 mil with SS

[waxen frigate]

20% spear dmg

susge

[lusty grotto]

lol

[modern gazelle]

any tips for mythic nymue

the dot from the bombs hurt as im running back dodging lines

[lusty grotto]

spell block

for at least the explotion

SR and wall/demo the dot leading up to it for DR

[modern gazelle]

yeah i do that just dont always have it up :/

also is there a way to make a WA to track when viridian rain is cast on me? i dislike big wigs, so i use dbm but dont think i can do it with that

[cosmic wyvern]

Looking at my parses, I'm starting to think that there's only like seven or eight other prot warriors

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto

[pallid quiver]

For mythic raid, that's not inaccurate

[chilly brook]

we zoomin wit da haste

[lusty grotto]

[cosmic wyvern]

Nah I just got AOTC with an 84 parse

[lusty grotto]

thats not high

also fyraak isnt really easy content, a lot of people still dont have aotc

a huge majority

so of course there's fewer parses

[pallid quiver]

i dint get to press buttons in fyrakk so thats like what my oarse is iirc

Feels bad having like 95s

Then fyrakk at like

[lusty grotto]

i have aotc since week 2

[pallid quiver]

Fuck i think it's actually at 74 iirc

[lusty grotto]

but i have been running as Arms

because of recruitment and also its just easier to get into a group as dps

a pug group

so it is what it is

eventually ill go in as tank and just smash parses idk, its not a priority

[pallid quiver]

It's usually harder for me to get in as dps, but a lot easier to get kicked as tank

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[pallid quiver]

Something something aggro control

[lusty grotto]

heh

[pallid quiver]

The sheer amount of times I've been kicked for the wildest shit

[lusty grotto]

oh trust me i know

[pallid quiver]

I've been kicked for going counterclockwise with Smold

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of macro I can use some advice/suggestion. I realize with our new set the Demo shout, Avatar and Roar can line up.
I tried to setup macro, but only Demo and Avatar got casted, shall I just settle with Roar on separate button?

[lusty grotto]

thats incorrect

the new set doesnt make those line up

they already did, so the set isnt doing anything

TL is making your Demo de-sync from that

[violet ginkgo]

Eh? But the set reducing 3 secs of thunderous roar if consume bleed.

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter TR already aligned

if anything it desyncs it

like TL to demo

youre putting avatar (off-gcd) with 2 ON-gcd abilities

on a macro

of course it wont work

TR and Demo are both on the gcd

1 button macros are cringe

idk why people insist on trying to use them

[violet ginkgo]

I see.. I’ll just settle with demo and avatar then at least that is 1 less button to press.

Thanks for the explanation.

[sudden fractal]

Prot doeant have many buttons anyways it’s just using what you got effectively

[hollow minnow]

there are situations where you want to hold demo for the dr while popping avatar tho. I’d recommend against that macro.
For example we just killed Larodar Mythic last night and it was vital for me to have at least 2 defensive cds running every single charge while i don’t really want to delay avatar a lot. I’d just bind them separately and get used to that.

At the topic of Mythic Raid:
Anyone of you successfully tanked Nymue on Mythic yet? We are going to start pulling that fight on monday but I am a bit concerned since it is a 100% magic damage profile fight. Any tricks you figured out to not get annihilated by her or is she not that bad? (Co Tank is a DH)

[clever heart]

best enchant on weapon for m+ ? shadowflame or sophic ?

[violet ginkgo]

If there is no plan going on mythic raid. Let’s say heroic max. Is it still safe to pop the demo for damage boost instead of using it for dr?

[modern gazelle]

Progging it but you can jump over the stun lines which helps.

[hollow minnow]

on heroic it shouldn’t really matter since no tank mechanic will oneshot you there. On keys 24+ there are pulls where you need to spread out cds and bosses where you need a cd for each tank mechanic (like murozond breath or treeboss grab) but if these are not your goal then it shouldnt matter to much

[hollow minnow]

Heroic leap goes over?

[modern gazelle]

Yep

[hollow minnow]

oh sick

[modern gazelle]

Be careful though not to jump when a line is too close or land too close to one. Gotta actually clear the line

Spell block is huge. I’d recommend rageheart for an extra CD personally

[hollow minnow]

it is a safe way to get back after bomb i guess

[modern gazelle]

Yeah which is big because running back is the most stressful part tbh outside of just dodging shit

[hollow minnow]

yeah spellblock is my plan. I have not been able to get rageheart yet on any difficulty sadly

[modern gazelle]

Rip

I do run cheat death on it too in case of a fuck up

[hollow minnow]

i will probably run cheat death + serpent or i will do cheat death + the big vers stat stick from m+

seems to be best with my trinket selection

[violet ginkgo]

I see so that will be the limit. Thx serpent. I currently still on M11-13 too.

[modern gazelle]

Yeah that’s smart. Chest death is worth cause one mess up and stun can kill you

[hollow minnow]

the damage profil is really not kind to warrior so i fear that i will procc cheat death just randomly sometimes. I feel like incoming damage is so unpredictable on Nymue

but maybe i just didnt pay enough attention on heroic where the spikes came from

[modern gazelle]

The damage that will kill you is predictable except veridian rain which is rough

But it’s still chaotic. I dislike the fight but you can live it

No worse than experiments or zskarn damage I’d say

[pallid quiver]

If you taunt immediately once the other tank gets, bomb, you'll get blasted when you Nym swaps back on to you since you'll still have a few seconds of the tank debuff

That's the usual offender for people playing the fight well

Where the large damage pulses are placed are actually pretty friendly to War overall

[pallid quiver]

Here's Sense's damage taken profile during his go at Nym at his lowest ilvl for Mythic. You can play around with the aura filters in order to get a general idea what defensives he took things with, as well as playing around with the casts tab to see when he used things:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gLVQXdJmzqH429MZ#fight=36&type=damage-taken&source=8

A good thing to note is that every ability in the fight has at least some element to it that's spell blockable, so it's one of the single best fights for spell block

[hollow minnow]

that is good 2 know! thanks!

[hollow minnow]

I will make sure to take a look at these thank you as well!

[warm plinth]

best joke I've seen all day

[pallid quiver]

I read that as Mechwarrior 3

[warm plinth]

lol

[pallid quiver]

and just went "but mechwarrior 3's been out"

no shit, Lu, it's been out for like two decades almost