you only revenge when you need a SS reset pretty much
#protection
lusty grotto
winter shard
ok that makes a bit more sense. so primarily use revenge when i get the proc?
lusty grotto
nope
SS > TC and IP in between
if both SS and TC are on cd and not reset, then you can press revenge
replace revenge with execute in execute range
winter shard
that helps , thanks a lot
torn gulch
does the soul thorn damage and the fire damage on wm goliath increases with the number of stacks?
torn gulch
because i am in a debate in my guild
i have people saying stacks do not increase damage and people that say they do
torn gulch
i did the boss without putting him into fire and they were telling me thorn is killing them at high stacks
strong forum
pure copium
torn gulch
and i was like no way
strong forum
like i said
fire yes
thorn no
thorn is its own entity
its not sourced from the goliath
lusty grotto
i have people saying stacks do not increase damage and people that say they do
where U: number is the raw damage
see how stacks go up and that damage doesnt change
its right there in numbers
torn gulch
yes i convinced them
lusty grotto
ghash had a breakdown of how fire acts with stacks, it goes boom and slowly goes down, the boom will be based on stacks
torn gulch
would you have a instanc with fire
lusty grotto
i can try to find it
vocal flame
Def go ring right? Hands would be my 4th piece but I can always use the catalyst for it later on. Always go myth track right?
torn gulch
you'll need one with 2 instances of fire
at different stacks
i'll look on big wm logs
torn gulch
i basically want to see damage if you let's say reset boss at 20 stacks vs reset boss at 50 stacks
warm plinth
It does more damage.
It basically ramps down from the big first hit. But all except the last tick or two will do more than the base damage.
lusty grotto
#protection message let me see if i can find this log
66 stacker, rng fire on boss lol
was funny
oh wait thats not a 20
hmm..
warm plinth
I'm lazy with logs. I just scroll to the first key that isn't leader board lol
lusty grotto
i dont think i have logs of me purposely resetting lol
of straight 20s i mean
yeah thats probably the better way to do it ghash
torn gulch
basically the conclusion is i can play without putting goliath in fire but if they go in fire at like 70 stacks it's joever
so they can't say i kill them with empowered thorns
lusty grotto
i think the conclusion here is: reset at 30 or dont reset at all
that number probably goes up on fort weeks though
warm plinth
On the highest keys they're resetting between 30 and 33 so that should be a perfectly safe amount in 24-25 keys
torn gulch
on high tyr you'll have to reset multiple times most likely
warm plinth
The key I was posting info from above was 2 resets I believe
idr if it was tyr or fort though
grizzled nova
This past tyr week in 22-23 pugs I just told the healer I was only resetting once at 50% hp
which usually worked out to 35-40 stacks depending on the dps
torn gulch
i reset once in bigger keys as well
i reset once after second or third thorn then i ride
grizzled nova
yeh realistically I could probably survive up to 60ish stacks without being too much if a burden on the healer, but it'd probably go too long on tyr
torn gulch
i did 60 to 70 stacks on both 20tyr and 20 fort
grizzled nova
this week I probably won't reset at all unless it's a giga key
torn gulch
i basically go in defensive stance towards the end of the fight
yea on fort keys it's not going into fire
strong forum
i did 69 stacks 2 weeks ago i think
pallid quiver
On the highest keys they're resetting between 30 and 33 so that should be a perf...
though if you're pugging, if you reset, it's at whatever stacks the healer tells you to reset, logic and numbers be damned
As long as you want them not rage quit, at least
pallid quiver
i did 69 stacks 2 weeks ago i think
nice
grizzled nova
i did 69 stacks 2 weeks ago i think
oh yeh we can survive alot, but you'll start needing directed healer attention around there to live
pallid quiver
Random aside, remember to be careful to not charge at both the wrong time and wrong angle if you're charging to thorns
strong forum
oh yeh we can survive alot, but you'll start needing directed healer attention a...
obv
grim pilot
war seems to be the best tank for this
it's all physical damage
and that's where war is good at
unless vdh is just that broken or smth
strong forum
vdh is very broken with frailty
but they eventually run out of CDs to overlap i think
whereas we just need to maintain block
but theyre insane on bosses
toxic pewter
is their meta cd the same
grizzled nova
2 minutes
grizzled nova
it was, new 60s cd talent in class tree
grizzled nova
is meta like s2 incarn or is it not that good
no
vestal moat
you are pretty much unkillable in meta but it's not like incarn where you also deal a billion damage and top the meters during it either
grim pilot
cba about damage, I meant unkillable part
strong forum
vdh is pretty unkillable
grizzled nova
vdh as a whole just has so much stacked dr
strong forum
but meta is nowhere NEAR incarn
vestal moat
i m almost 3k on my vdh and have not died this season in meta
strong forum
meta is basically just +50% hp and +100% armor
nothing else
incarn gave you infinite rage + UFR absorb
toxic pewter
meanwhile last stand.. LOL
grim pilot
yeah last stand is such a joke ngl
I liked s2's last stand a lot, because it was something else than random ass hp buff
strong forum
well it still buffs IP cap and indom healing
grim pilot
yeah sure
strong forum
and IV healing too
strong forum
well yeah its about as ass as IBF is
grim pilot
feels weird to press it
strong forum
except for the stun immunity but lmao
toxic pewter
if anything should give it to us baseline so can free up a talent point or something
grim pilot
protects you from oneshots
grizzled nova
vdh damage is good, loads of stacked dr and good self hp control, giga mobility comparable to pwar, but the real trick is that they have 5 aoe stops and 2 aoe silences at the same time.
grizzled nova
Blizzard decided to give them an absolutely beyond the pale giga utility/dr/dps capstone in their spec tree.
grim pilot
yet you see more ppals in top keys
is it because of the cr only, I dunno but I doubt
but you do
grizzled nova
Another spec comically overloaded with utility.
That can tank everything everyone else can and do the same dps.
toxic pewter
still think their 45 second cooldown pseudo cheat death is just truly wild
absolutely wild
grizzled nova
Why take a pwar when the ppala will live too, and can bres, cleanse, sac, bop, spellward, freedom, lay, and offheal as well.
toxic pewter
them getting brez was also wild
strong forum
is it because of the cr only, I dunno but I doubt
bop/spellward/sac/wog/devo aura
flat kite
IIRC from s1 though, if you brez you kinda spiral out of control since SOTR will fall off
toxic pewter
also prot pal can reduce dot damage including bleeds
vestal moat
also cleanse poison so it can help with afflicted, as well as random poisons.
ranged interrupt
aoe stun that DRs nothing
freedom
toxic pewter
and interrupt every like 3 seconds or some crap LOL
grizzled nova
also prot pal can reduce dot damage including bleeds
honestly I think the dot thing is relatively oversold, it's a small-ish functional dr and ppala's passive hps to offset dot damage is significantly lower than pwars
especially in bosses where they aren't getting a lot of bulwark hps
toxic pewter
i do not agree
vocal flame
oh man did a DHT with a not very good pug i almost pissed myself watching dps get one shotted
grizzled nova
Between the three tanks I am playing this season, ppala easily feels the squishiest.
It's not dangerzone bad, but definitely not as omega eat the dam as pwar or vdh.
Ppala is just so fucken useful.
frustratingly useful because I like playing pwar more
honestly the singular thing that omega tilts me the most on pwar after playing either ppala or vdh
is hard melee range kick
fucken holy I have to hug a mobs nuts to kick it, ppala and vdh's regular kick are 10yds and it's magical
warm plinth
@lusty grotto my hunter got myth track timestrike gun 
teal swift
i have people saying stacks do not increase damage and people that say they do
Thorn damage doesn't change with stacks. You can see this in any log by looking at the unmitigated damage
torn gulch
yes me and my friends managed to settle the argument
thorns damage does not go up with stacks but fire does
so i can do limit testing on that boss by never putting him in fire
teal swift
Communicate clearing with healer.
I clear every 2-3 thorns
torn gulch
i clear once in bigger keys and never in smaller ones
the one clear i do after third thorns
but i am talking 20-23s for now
i'll probably have to change when i go higher
soft plume
so does the higher stacks make the thorns do more damage to other players at all
hot light
Is there a addon that tells you when you can spell reflect ?
torn gulch
did anybody got the head enchant and tested it to see numbers?
apparently it scales up with head ilvl
jagged gust
IS ursine trinket still dogwater tier?
hushed harbor
Don’t tell me this. It’s the only trinket that has dropped for me all tier lol.
frosty mango
did anybody got the head enchant and tested it to see numbers?
Yes - I’m 482 and on tooltip it was like 155k I think
torn gulch
%?
chilly brook
New headphones
frosty mango
483
chilly brook
frosty mango
It’s an enchant, how much dps do you think it should add lol
chilly brook
instead of the cd reduction
Because feelycraft
torn gulch
It’s an enchant, how much dps do you think it should add lol
ptr testing was way higher
the prot one was 3% damage and 5% heal
the dps one 3-4%
frosty mango
I can test it out later in raid and get some actual numbers
ashen coral
Hello I wondered about one thing
I already have gholak and smolderon trinket, but not fyrakk trinket and my shield is 486
I thought I could clean first boss in mythic but I can’t enter in the raid because I am from Khaz Modhen which is a beginner realm (so almost no big players), * have to wait that 200 guilds clear mythic raid
So should I put my spec in arm or prot for tomorrow in the vault ?
chilly brook
@forest yacht lots of high io people run suboptimal setups because it “feels good”
vocal flame
im a noob and just got the dreambound rune but it can still be used with the fel focuser lol
chilly brook
I mean an 11 stat boost is so small
plush nymph
How good is muthic track servant splitter
keen leaf
hye guys about to craft the shield, do i do haste/crit?
grim pilot
why do the streamers run
If those are high ranking streamers then I assume it's for certain bosses that are just giga hard and you need double shield wall
Just like in s1 people would run that in tjs and maybe in certain other dungeons (idk maybe aa because of crawth? Can't recall which ones)
chilly brook
still wasn't worth it in TJS
grim pilot
well that's what highest timed tjs with prot war was running
I'll trust that
This is just an answer to a question, if you are not playing high enough keys then chances are (and quite high) that you don't need it even in specific dungeons where people are running
In that case classic shield wall reduction will be better
chilly brook
I'll trust that
grim pilot
I never said you get less walls
chilly brook
because you just got it back by the time you did
grim pilot
where you need it b2b
chilly brook
but you didn't need it back to back on TJS 3rd boss
grim pilot
I'm well aware cdr wall is better
If I recall correctly there even was a pin (or I have alzheimer) in this channel that you can run double wall for that boss
timber nest
has anyone tested spiked counterweight after the buff?
chilly brook
If I recall correctly there even was a pin (or I have alzheimer) in this channel...
idk
forest yacht
i didnt realis double wall was a sore subject for people haha
ill save my into the fray question for another time ;p
chilly brook
not a sore subject
grim pilot
I'm checking top tjs runs and maybe 1 wasnt running cdr
chilly brook
just something that gets asked a lot lol
grim pilot
out of 20
chilly brook
I'm checking top tjs runs and maybe 1 wasnt running cdr
just because top runs ran one thing doesn't make it the "right" move
case in point codex in SL
chilly brook
stam trinket that was dogshit for prot
forest yacht
first technique
dusky mica
My pally dropped the new stam trinket earlier. What a day!
chilly brook
you don't have to play the spec efficiently to push keys
you have to play the dungeon efficiently
there is a difference
brave jetty
Going from champion to myth track t31 pants (I'm already at 4pc) or going from champion to myth track stonescales (with leech!!)
pants are objectively more stats and final BiS but I fucking love the stonescales and the tertiary is mighty tempting
brave jetty
I just do my weekly 20s but I might push for a bit more score for funsies
brave jetty
My heart tells me otherwise 😦
chilly brook
My heart tells me otherwise 😦
I mean if you find yourself dying consistently in 20s there's other problems
brave jetty
But yeah I guess it's a head vs. heart thing. Love me some stonescales, feels great when it comes up.
I'm not dying consistently in 20s but I pug and shit happens.
Stonescales are a totem dedicated to my lack of trust toward rando heals.
forest yacht
but
the point of stonescale
is teh cheat death
an ilvl 1 stonescale can do that
the pants tho are pure stats
brave jetty
ya the str is about the same, trading stamina and a bunch of secondaries aint worth 300 something leech
I know what the objectively correct answer is here I was just hoping for my irrational attachment to scales to be recklessly validated
pallid quiver
i mean you'll only get that you can just farm cheat
forest yacht
just dont die
pallid quiver
A max ilvl hero cheat ain't much worse than a myth track
pallid quiver
And still gives the same degen potential
brave jetty
i mean you'll only get that you can just farm cheat
oh i already have it, the question is about going up to myth track with it lol
grizzled nova
stonescales is a giga wasted slot for 99% of people wearing one
playing better and doing more damage is objectively easier to do and will make your life easier, generally
stonescales is appropriate if the content you're doing stands an upside chance of globaling you if your group doesn't play perfectly
but that is an extreme minority of players
brave jetty
the vast vast vast majority of the time it gets used it is in situations where my playing better would not have factored lol
the thing here is longer term i have plenty of ways to secure a myth track set of t31 pants
doubt i'll ever see myth track stonescales again, let alone with tertiary
but i'm probably dropping em either way for fyrakk trinket so moot point
scales are near and dear to me because on more than one occasion where i was last man standing they were the difference between a kill and a timed key and that not happening
that is not dopamine that is easily replaced
but yeah fuck it the pants are the correct answer and it just means i'll have a token to convert another slot to myth track later on.
thank you all ❤️
grizzled nova
I've mostly pugged to 3k on my pwar this season and never once thought 'this key would have been better/saved with stonescales'
If I'm dying there's a 99% chance I'm the last one dying in the group, which means we're already reseting so the cheat does nothing but slow down the reset
if the cheat lets you live 10 extra seconds on a boss to kill it after everyone else died, having a real dps trinket and doing more damage would probably buy you the same ten seconds
and improve the performance of the rest of the key as well
tiny minnow
How do you guys deal with rise, like getting more tanky. I legit feel like a wet noodle in that dungeon and rely so fucking much on the healer
grim pilot
what mobs/bosses cause you issues the most?
tiny minnow
the pulling mobs for the portals and last boss specifically
grim pilot
Portal mobs shouldn't cause you too many issues, you're probably facing them back or just standing in the sand area
If so, just take it a bit slower
What key level are you doing?
tiny minnow
did a 17 at 470 ilvl is my most recent
grim pilot
Also last boss, you can leap out every 2nd breath, but it's rather fast cast so be prepared
For other breaths you can do a combination of demo/sr/sw and spell block for 2 breaths at once, but plenty of damage taken is from mobs so make sure dps is focusing them
also dont forget to swap stances if you want extra mitigation to be safe
tiny minnow
I think i basically stayed in d stance for it. Is taking immovable object instead of unstoppable force worth it just for the last boss tho? Maybe its just a skill issue on my end
grim pilot
It's not better, you can leap out from every 2nd breath
tiny minnow
oh sorry my brain missed that first line. I didnt know i could leap out of it interesting
grim pilot
You can yes but be prepared
you have like 2 sec to do so
And don't forget not to grief other players with you trying to leap out
tiny minnow
yeah im sure the first time i try it i might lmao
is there a video anywhere showing it?
so i could get a visual maybe
grim pilot
A small tip is to try to mitigate it anyway on the first time so you dont get oneshotted if you fail to do it properly
actually there is
tiny minnow
yeah maybe shield wall it for my first attempt incase the fuck up?
grim pilot
the same strategy can be used on dht 2nd boss
aaaand I didnt really tank much this season so I can't say if for any other bosses too
grim pilot
the same strategy can be used on dht 2nd boss
so all you're mitigating is the grip
except on dht 2nd boss you have more time and you don't need to leap so far away
tiny minnow
oh the breath from that boss range that as well? shit didnt think of that either
(first time tank if you couldnt tell)
grim pilot
Yes, but that's much easier than deios
I went first time into doti knowing you can do so but never paid attention how fast the cast is when I was dpsing so I got oneshotted on the breath
because I didnt mitigate shit and think it was 20 tyra
tiny minnow
aw damn
gleaming pawn
My team is killing Nymue just fine but i am wondering. Is it even worth hitting shield block while tanking nymue herself? Since she only casts. SHould i just spend the extra rage on IP instead?
urban portal
it still increases your slam damage
timber nest
is there a "max" distance on larodar that the fall off dmg stops... falling off?
vocal flame
Lost Aug to a DH 
violet flume
do you guys move a lot on yazma
i got told i move too much 😦
i just tell people to stick in her ass and we kite together but they spread all over
doesnt help adds never died to 2x 100k dps with augvoker in +19
lusty grotto
link them the tettles video
cause yes you gotta move, and they all have to stack on boss
literally the same way we did it in BFA
violet flume
ok cause kiting hard is what i did as it seemed natural
this group was doomed from the start anyway 4x deaths to rezan chase
chilly brook
if the cheat lets you live 10 extra seconds on a boss to kill it after everyone ...
exactly, me having 20k dps from augery and brand alone make up for that
violet flume
first time i felt like quitting a group
lusty grotto
bad group
lusty grotto
the fuck
violet flume
pretty sure other guy used another cheat death trinket to
violet flume
we had wiped 6x so idk
lusty grotto
yikers
chilly brook
we had wiped 6x so idk
how....
violet flume
too many deaths to spiders but i kite too fast
isnt yazma considered a hard boss
i dont feel like she is
but ive been hearing that
lusty grotto
lol
the first time i heard that was 2nd week of this season
and i was like
what
the
fuck
violet flume
lsat week i heard "dont run atal on tyr is doomed to fail on last boss"
yeah heard that ever since they made her ability uninterruptable
lusty grotto
its not even that
i heard it 2nd week
its cause people are incapable of handling spiders
violet flume
ive had 0 groups stack on her ass perfectly
lusty grotto
and im a BFA vet
violet flume
they trail behind, get in front of me
violet flume
so i have to kite more
never did M+ in bfa so wouldnt know but i agree it seems simple
prob too much coordination for a typical pug
lusty grotto
stacking on the boss isnt really coordination though lol
follow boss, turn brain off
run ahead with adds, kill adds, hug boss again, rinse repeat
its so brain dead
a lot of us here did that dungeon
WITH GHUUNIES
which is 1500% harder than anything right now
fuck ghuunies
violet flume
ok so im glad im not insane, watched that tettles video he does pretty much what i do except tank a bit further from the walls
gleaming pawn
it still increases your slam damage
but increasing slam dmg aside, if i wanna just reduce incoming dmg i can forgo block on nymue and spam some IP with my rage until i get steady?
violet flume
i wasnt crazy rogue has the stonescale 😄
lusty grotto
but increasing slam dmg aside, if i wanna just reduce incoming dmg i can forgo b...
no
you can spell block everything nymue does
you want block UP
AT ALL TIMES
gleaming pawn
ok
lusty grotto
spell block will not work if your block is not up
it doesnt work by itself
use it, and keep SB up
gleaming pawn
Can you see why i might be taking so much more dmg than my co-tank? 2.4mil more dmg https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K7rJk2VmpjxnX8PW#fight=29&type=damage-taken
lusty grotto
what i just said
you used spell block once
use it more
you could have used it 3 times in that timeframe
and use SR when its on cd
i cant do a log check right now im raiding in ffxiv
lusty grotto
basically when you have spell block up, you dont wanna use other defensives
cause you will mitigate big
when its on cd, you can rotate others like SR wall etc
also you gotta shield slam more
gleaming pawn
oh, i think im probably overlapping quite a few with spell block
lusty grotto
more shield slam = more damage = more rage = faster wall reset
just using it will reset your wall, and using the rage it generate will also reset due to AM
gleaming pawn
makese sense, i think my haste is a little low too. im only at 5900 rating
i see your name saying 7100 is cap?
lusty grotto
yea your haste is low
gleaming pawn
idk how ima get 1200 more :\
pallid quiver
tho haste won't make you survive better
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
You can completely ignore stats as long as you have ilvl and be fine
lusty grotto
more haste wont make you live that
you just gotta fix what youre doing to play correctly
gleaming pawn
alright
pallid quiver
or apply a little bit of the cheat engine
grim pilot
isnt yazma considered a hard boss
Kekw
Its hardest boss in that dungeon
But its not a hard boss
At all
finite bolt
so idk if i should pick the def trinket from fyrakk
lusty grotto
do you see yourself getting it again?
have you read #268491842637660160 ?
specifically the BIS part?
keep in mind its VERY RARE
does that answer your question?
finite bolt
ile loo kty ty
any Myth Track pieces
any Raid Trinket
any ilvl upgrade its all of theses
lusty grotto
novel temple
It feels wrong but apparently getting hero track boots is better than myth track bracers
But the boots are like a 40 ilvl upgrade since I got last season boots
grim pilot
I'd take bracers unless you plan on running embellish on them
Long term better choice
grim pilot
Unless you want vers wrists I'd craft feet and get myth bracers
guess it also depends what stats bracers have, if they are shit then you will likely replace them any momeny you'll find one in the vault
grim pilot
no haste, sadgfe
iirc x2 sf is bis for prot but wrists are very close
- you get dr and dont take any dam from your embellishment (as tiny as it is, it's still no dam vs dam)
- bracers are bis for arms and I think for fury too
novel temple
Shadowflame bracers bis for fury
Allied bis for arms
But I’m gonna eventually get allied for time walking
grim pilot
"Fury's BiS setup currently uses Shadowflame on both, but it is extremely comparable to using the Versatility Wrists instead" yeah, so turbo close again
novel temple
Currently I’ve got a 434 belt and a 437 boots
With the haste crit bracers from Amirdrassil
At 463
Also, since I’m blacksmithing/engineering, don’t I want to get the tinker bracers?
grim pilot
you can yeah, free CR always helps
pale karma
it's saved me at least one timed run
hearty orchid
For anyone disregarding the Xeri'tac Egg trinket, I highly suggest ya'll re-evaluate it. In my M+ and Heroic raid logs, its doing a tremendous amount of absorbs, second to Ignore Pain (which is cycle spammed for Fervid Bites) as well as doing a decent amount of damage on its own (4th highest damage on Igara H and 3rd on Volcoross H as examples).
modern gazelle
can someone explain this log/vid to me of why i didnt get agro on urctos and then got agro on him after my co tank taunted
my taunt is macrod to taunt focus target, so even though im targeting aerwyn it taunts urctos, however my first taunt just doesnt work and then i challenging shout to get agro, i take the frontal, co tank taunts and for some reason my nameplates show he still has agro, yet it targets me with frontal
cinder nova
can someone explain this log/vid to me of why i didnt get agro on urctos and the...
He probably immuned.
My cotank and I go Claw > Taunt > Claw > Taunt > Charge.
And it usually immunes by the time ultimate comes out.
But, he's not clawing there, so who cares.
modern gazelle
we do claw>taunt>claw>charge then i wait till hes back from charge to taunt again and it never immunes
modern gazelle
woops meant 2
cinder nova
I dunno what that was tbh, but you can pretty much ignore def stance that entire fight and just face check every charge
Maybe just wall it when its up because the charge is the only actually damaging mech in there
Do you not have a log of the pull?
modern gazelle
yeah i just dont care much about parse so i usually play it safe, we've cleared council this is reclear
log of pull is above video
modern gazelle
cs'd?
cinder nova
Challenging.
modern gazelle
i know
cause my first taunt didnt take agro
so i cs to get agro, then my co tank taunts and gets agro after first frontal but it still agrod back to me without me taunting off
so i taunt, it doesnt take agro, then i CS to get agro, take first frontal, my co tank taunts for 2nd frontal, has agro, yet it targets me
cinder nova
Checking.
Looks like an immune from the VOD.
Although the pototo quality makes it illegible.
But that looks like it says immune in yellow letters at like .7 or .8s out of the 12s clip
Right below Urctos' shoulder
modern gazelle
quality should get better idk why its so bad think cause i just uploaded its in 1440p on my clip
modern gazelle
yep
damn...weird hes never immune during that timing so weird
mustve been like BARELY taunt immune
modern gazelle
yeah i just checked i saw
cinder nova
Yeah it can happen
That's why I taunt every charge
So that if he does immune, it's where it never matters
modern gazelle
i take boss first>frontal>taunt>frontal>charge>taunt>frontal>taunt>frontal>charge>taunt>ultimate
thats usually how it goes i believe if i remember the order of attacks right
so its only 2 taunts, wait until charge is completely done, then taunt for next frontal so my co tank doesnt take 2 in a row
sudden burrow
Guys i Need youre helb 😂 have a Hard decision of my Valut 😂 Everbloom shield on 483 or mythic Set chest on 483 😅
cinder nova
Sim it
But that depends on whether or not you need 4p
And what kind of shield you got now
More detail
modern gazelle
raid shield is bis so just get that
it drops from gnarl, you can easily kill gnarl on mythic even with a pug
cinder nova
uHHH
eHhhh.
I dunno about that
Yeah, don't take shield unless you got dogshit
Farming a shield is really easy atm
So it feels like a waste on vault.
modern gazelle
what shield do you think is bis if not gnarl?
sudden burrow
Krit haste shield wir more haste then Crit or set piece chest on mythic already got 4piece
cinder nova
I mean getting a Myth-track shield is not hard, so scooping vault unless you have nothing else to take, feels wasteful.
restive scroll
Allows you to switch ro opening as arm though
cinder nova
Not like BIS shield is way back in Smold or something, so it's like, why burn vault on it unless you have a doodoo shield atm.
Oh
shield then
restive scroll
Since our one hand is raid anywau
restive scroll
And meh trinkets tank
cinder nova
Rageheart fucks
modern gazelle
rageaheart is more damage than brand half the tiem for me cause brand needs ramp
shield is so easy to farm its better to take socket than shield imo
like kill mythic gnarl, get crit/haste shield on myth track, win...
cinder nova
Oh word
Get uh
Go kill M Gnarl
THEN see
Because you might int your vault on a drop you can get now
restive scroll
Idealy, yes
modern gazelle
i mean you can get hero track crit/haste shield easy though, so till he gets myth track shield from gnarl its free to just take socket for upgrade imo
restive scroll
Can't do mythic myself, on a dead server, so i wouldn't do that, but still good reasoning
modern gazelle
since only tank and hpal will want shield if it drops (which is high chance) you 99% get it
if he has rageheart in his vault though as the tank trinket he mentioned thats 100% worth, its insane def and dps
restive scroll
if he has rageheart in his vault though as the tank trinket he mentioned thats 1...
^
My point was more if you can't get a myth track shield any other way (like i can't) it might be worthwhile to take it because you reduce your need to open as prot by a lot
sudden burrow
Je my warry didt Not go mythic ist just a Twink 😅
modern gazelle
i also just never open as prot, id rock a hero track shield before i open as prot at least until i get bis trinkets
@sudden burrow what trinket is in your vault
sudden burrow
No trinket 😅
modern gazelle
in that case id just sim it, including simming a socket on a piece of gear
restive scroll
i also just never open as prot, id rock a hero track shield before i open as pro...
Same
sudden burrow
Im Able so SIM tanks? Or just for DPS ?
modern gazelle
dps is all you sim for, no need to sim as tank
sudden burrow
Yeee haha but i think un case i didnt go mythic With the warry i would take the shield 😅
modern gazelle
5 boss 1.5min no lust for multiple target, 1 boss 5min lust for single target, put on any food/flask/buffs you would normally have
difference between hero shield and myth shield will not affect your survivability much, take biggest dps increase
sudden burrow
Mh okay i will try it at Home thanks guys 😁😁
green trench
Probably says somewhere but I have looked around and can't seem to find it.
Now, disregarding dps cuz that's simmable, would someone take a mismatched stat 489 over a bis stat 483? And does it vary between ring/neck and gear with primary stats?
restive scroll
I'd still take myth shield, just because you can get the myth track set from an arm vault anyway, but that's me
ionic fern
Probably says somewhere but I have looked around and can't seem to find it.
Now,...
Yes.
sudden burrow
Ah and another question 😂 my warry has 468 gs atm and i die every time at larodar charge on heroic i mean i try to jump away or just Walk away got my ignor pain up and it doesnt matter 😵💫
modern gazelle
Probably says somewhere but I have looked around and can't seem to find it.
Now,...
ionic fern
iLvl is your primary goal when it comes to gearing. You look into the secondary stats when comparing 2 similar ilvl pieces.
This does somewhat fluctuate for rings/necks, and definitely for trinkets due to the effects.
modern gazelle
Ah and another question 😂 my warry has 468 gs atm and i die every time at larod...
use a defensive, shield wall, demo shout, last stand, stack IP and make sure you dont turn back to boss
468ilvl is gonna hurt but still easily survivable
ionic fern
And to add to what Dawn said - go into Defensive stance.
As much as we bash it, you should still utilise it as part of your kit when necessary.
sudden burrow
Really i Need big def cd? With my blood Dk im able to just take it 😅
ionic fern
Blond?
modern gazelle
As much as we bash it, you should still utilise it as part of your kit when nece...
idk who is bashing dstance now, its so good and is a very minor dps loss tbh
like if you being dstance is the diff in a kill or not in anything your dps are the issue
modern gazelle
they buffed the hell out of dstance its good now, 20% defense for 5% dps loss..
ionic fern
Yes, hense " you should still utilise it as part of your kit when necessary.".
modern gazelle
im also just lazy and just sit dstance in mythic prog or high keys
ionic fern
Really i Need big def cd? With my blood Dk im able to just take it 😅
Well, swapping into dstance is not a "big defensive" - neither is SR/DS/Wall.
They all have a fairly short CD.
Longest being SW with ~1m
modern gazelle
shield wall is roughly like 52s cooldown
its VERY short
and demo shout is used on cooldown every 45s, if you NEED an extra defensive you can hold it for a charge but it should be up almost always
and dstance is a 3s cooldown to swap between bstance and dstance, so thats a free 20% damage reduction anytime you want it
modern gazelle
Really i Need big def cd? With my blood Dk im able to just take it 😅
also what ilvl is your bdk? i can basically face tank it at 481ilvl
modern gazelle
it def hurts, hes 468ilvl, but very survivable, i think i originally did it at like 450 somthing ilvl and could live it just jumping away with dstance and any defensive
echo egret
Simming a patchwerk fight with 5 targets for 1min30s and my ST raid build yields much higher results than my M+ build. Is it because of crowd control talents on the M+ build ?
modern gazelle
There are 2 m+ builds. Push and damage
ionic fern
Also probably ITF in your raid build and HR in your m+ build.
modern gazelle
Though I personally feel push is the best build always since you should always be interrupting and shockwave for that is invaluable
modern gazelle
The two builds are also in the pins
sudden burrow
also what ilvl is your bdk? i can basically face tank it at 481ilvl
Je my DK has 482 😂
echo egret
I took off sidearms to keep Zerk Rage but I have the same
light dune
Vault check
light dune
Same
warm plinth
war took tokens sadly. only options were the scale trinket and worse tier shoulders than I have
cinder nova
Jesus christ.
M Amir warrior pop is
Critically Endangered
36th is fucking purple
What in tarnation
pallid quiver
war took tokens sadly. only options were the scale trinket and worse tier shoul...
Token buddies
cinder nova
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/blizzard/BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIEBAAAASSC...
Why Disrupting?
ionic fern
Because it lets me group packs way easier.
And it has uses in almost every dungeon.
Like a mini-way worse sigil.
median tulip
Mythic track Crit/Haste Shoulders 🥳
light dune
Myth tier chest please blissar 
surreal kindle
We can not utilise this much, can we?
warm plinth
Not the fire part but shadowflame procs the nature shield
surreal kindle
It's barely simming much better than lariat
finite bolt
you can proc the fire part now with the head enchant
modern gazelle
It's barely simming much better than lariat
Nymue or ToTT neck not simming better?
modern gazelle
what is the worst dungeon boss
Atal final boss on tyr week takes perfect coordination
Deios is easy? They even nerfed it. Just rotate spell block and shield wall
You can even heroic leap the frontal but have to be careful not to hit anyone
muted nexus
grip isn't fun for sure
surreal kindle
Nymue or ToTT neck not simming better?
I haven't got them so I didn't sim them
modern gazelle
Yeah…I did it on a 24 no Aug that wasn’t fun
modern gazelle
Rageheart makes life a lot better though if you aren’t running it. Huge damage and shield on a short CD
muted nexus
i'm double dps trinketed rn, just started gearing this slimer
week1 vault i took a myth mirror cuz whatever
modern gazelle
Really the only trinket I might run over rageheart is augury
muted nexus
it apparently has a relatively decent shield in the mix for the 3min
modern gazelle
But rage+brand is pretty bonkers damage and I still get the defensive bonus of the shield
Tbh I don’t even feel like rageheart sims as well as it performs.
ionic fern
and why is it chrono lord deios
Deios is actually..really chill.
light dune
Atal final boss on tyr week takes perfect coordination
That boss does nothing to prot warriors
modern gazelle
That boss does nothing to prot warriors <:okayge:917646812519739433>
I answered the question “what is the worst dungeon boss”
That boss is absolutely cancer on tyr week high keys.
ionic fern
I'm gonna go with..
Throne last boss;
DoTI:Fall 3rd boss;
light dune
I answered the question “what is the worst dungeon boss”
He did specify "for prot"
You barely lose health
muted nexus
i haven't figured out a clean way to deal with the amount of rot damage for eb trio
it's just an annoying amount of steady damage that i have lulls in rage gen due to the gap from charge
but i actually had no idea that spell block worked on deios frontal 
teal swift
I, still struggle with boss 2 in EB it's quickly becoming my #3 favourite key...
Brh
Fall
EB
modern gazelle
He did specify "for prot"
I had already typed my message by time he said for port
modern gazelle
EB spell block works on charge. Rotate shield wall, spell block, and demo shout+IP in d stance
I also use rageheart
modern gazelle
Even then on high tyr it’s rough so ideally a cacoon or something helps on one charge. People need to focus telu then dulu before cola
warm plinth
thanks Blizz!
blazing condor
oh yeah socket doesnt matter cus u can just add sockets now
warm plinth
yeah neck socket makes no difference
blazing condor
then not as interesting
trim bay
hey guys vague question i know. on average what is your fervid bite dmg in a key. i did a 24 WC and it was 22mil 9.8 percent
edgy belfry
is it possible to reach 7100 haste with having 0 haste on a necklace? i am thinking of taking the rare 489 crit versa raid necklace
trim bay
feel like thats low?
lyric cape
is it possible to reach 7100 haste with having 0 haste on a necklace? i am think...
It's definetly possible
edgy belfry
i am not chasing them really, i just dont wanna take the socket yet
modern gazelle
i am not chasing them really, i just dont wanna take the socket yet
But if socket is the greatest increase then you should take it
edgy belfry
i dont really care about the greatest upgrade atm - doesnt matter to me if the upgrade is 0.71% or 0.55%, i just want to pick something i am not going to replace in a few weeks; sockets are gonna be raining hard soon
karmic plinth
is gift of ursine vengeance now simming as intended
jagged pier
its always simmed hows its was supposed to work
blazing condor
got to solo the last 5% of smolderon
did it like 1 sec before enrage
was rewarded with shit loot rolls
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0lKSa_PTk me when tyranical week ends "I don’t ever want to see you
And I never want to meet you again
It’ll happen again
I watch it happen over and over again" (depletes
marble magnet
Hi quick question, what is the average dps you should have as a prot in +22 AD for example ?
toxic pewter
wat the deal with paladins not freedoming me even when they have the literal dual freedom talent
blazing condor
they hate you
bleak breach
Tell em apb
Pallys are just discount warriors crossed with discount priests
Shame to them
toxic pewter
going to write a strongly toned letter to the paladin discord to spread this awareness
bleak breach
blazing condor
true freedom comes from uninstalling the game
toxic pewter
just boggles the mind though
bitter pilot
Anyone know if Xeri'tac's Unhatched Egg Sac trinket is any good?
forest grove
Lots of stam
harsh laurel
How do I avoid charge damage on 2nd boss in EB? Read a comment somewhere but can’t find it.
Tried charging one of the other bosses when he is charging me but doesn’t seem to work
blazing condor
Anyone know if Xeri'tac's Unhatched Egg Sac trinket is any good?
not particularly
blazing condor
How do I avoid charge damage on 2nd boss in EB? Read a comment somewhere but can...
they hotfixed the way to dodge the charge
ionic fern
How do I avoid charge damage on 2nd boss in EB? Read a comment somewhere but can...
It doesn't hurt.
harsh laurel
Aight thanks
ionic fern
No point trying to "avoid" it.
blazing condor
just have some form of defensive and its fine
forest grove
Anyone know if Xeri'tac's Unhatched Egg Sac trinket is any good?
Imo its decent - had 7ish% of healing from the absorb over a +14 key but im sure there are better options
ionic fern
Just deal with it like any other tank buster.
Full IP + dStance + a defensive if needed depending on the key level.
harsh laurel
I am a classic Andy but my reflexes are not that bad
forest grove
Anyone know if Xeri'tac's Unhatched Egg Sac trinket is any good?
Vault?
harsh laurel
Just deal with it like any other tank buster.
Full IP + dStance + a defensive if...
Thanks chief
Switching from enha shaman having so much fun tanking
forest grove
Pretty much, 470 ilvl
Other options?
bitter pilot
a ring, 23+ ilvl upgrade on an older ring, trinket is also a +23 upgrade though
small marsh
for fighting Tyr, should I just face Titanic Blow along the edge of the arena or is there something else I should be doing
my understanding from guides and whatnot is just tank him outside and face him along the rim of the arena so you dont get ringout KO'd ala soul calibur
ionic fern
Anyone know if Xeri'tac's Unhatched Egg Sac trinket is any good?
Isn't that the RNG absorb + STM trinket?
small marsh
but I just had a mage and priest stand behind me, get oneshot by titanic blow, then both leave the group
harsh laurel
I don’t know if it’s fixed but apparently there’s a cheese to avoid shield mechanic
small marsh
it's fixed
bitter pilot
Isn't that the RNG absorb + STM trinket?
Indeed
blazing condor
my understanding from guides and whatnot is just tank him outside and face him a...
you can always charge back after the knock
small marsh
small marsh
Tyr fight was something like this
Priest and Mage immediately left after Titanic Blow splattered them 15s into the fight
and I want to sanity check that I didn't like, do something completely fucking stupid
I wasn't wiggling him around, just stood there bonking and getting bonked to try and give people a stable facing to work with
small marsh
I don't have a ton of confidence in whether I'm being a mong or my pugs are being mongs
so I wanted to check
forest grove
i mean moving tyr here and you keeping same position would fix
ionic fern
I usually aim to have Tyr frontal faced AWAY from the DPS'ers.
forest grove
Thats how i tank him
hardy snow
I prefer to just pop defensive and point knockback into already existing shit on ground, so I dont add extra from tankbuster
ionic fern
But if the priest/mage are far away enough it shouldn't matter.
forest grove
however, i would also argue that the DPS should open eyes
small marsh
👍
I figure sometimes there's a way I can cover for somoene else being a moron, even if it's not necessarily me doing something wrong in the first place
ionic fern
I figure sometimes there's a way I can cover for somoene else being a moron, eve...
There is.
Frontal = face away from everyone.
Easy.
small marsh
I worry about getting knocked outta the arena on that fight, but I'll try facing him out and just mashing charge as I get hit
hardy snow
If you were standing still from begining of fight - they should notice that, but you can also be aware that your frontal is going to hit someone.
small marsh
I was standing still from the beginning
trim bay
retated
blazing condor
and its gg
small marsh
I was going with frontal = telegraph where it'll be, expect DPS to have eyeballs
ionic fern
Can't compensate for stupidity in that case.
small marsh
I'll just face him out and spam charge
my gut was that my pubbies were idiots, I wanted to sanity check
blazing condor
man i cant get invited to a fyrakk group to save my life
how come they dont want me 
small marsh
its balls
raid tank life is rough
1-1-3 ratio for everything M+, 1-5-30 ratio for raids
is there any way to skip to Tyr in Dawn w/o a key
I want to go test some shit
fuckit I'll find some +2 to turbocarry lmao
latent jungle
Stick with my 486 crafted shield or go for the myth track Haste/mastery shield in my vault 🤔 absolute garbage in the other slots so it's shield or socket
toxic pewter
I personally would take shield myself
grizzled nova
You won't get knocked "off the arena".
last week I actually did
soon as I went into the air from the hit I got a constant no path path available and couldn't charge
deadged
ionic fern
last week I actually did
It was for my drawing.
Ofc.you can get knocked off if you fail the leap/charge while being positioned with your back outside the arena.
grizzled nova
it wasn't egregious or anything, just barely went over the edge at a pretty oblique angle
just wouldn't allow the charge
neon vigil
good morning guys, a question, I opened my weekly vault and this came out, what do you recommend I get?
violet ginkgo
I mean we don't know which one will be an upgrade to you, maybe narrow it down to 2 of your potential upgrade? I don't think all 6 of those are worth, there must be something that are bad.
craggy pilot
does B1 of Rise dungeon have a aggro reset?
toxic pewter
not that I am aware of
blazing condor
good morning guys, a question, I opened my weekly vault and this came out, what ...
anything that has myth track that isnt the wep probably
craggy pilot
not that I am aware of
ok thx
just wondering since i got clapped multiple times by melee with a brew tank
toxic pewter
why did you lose aggro or something
toxic pewter
may be u ripped threat
sick sentinel
secret mission time soon. then just 3 normal levels then the final boss
then im done with this crap
toxic pewter
hmmm I may even be wrong but I do not recall losing aggro on tyr
craggy pilot
maybe if knockback knocks him over the edge?
toxic pewter
yeah possibly boss could not hit tank for whatever reason or something
craggy pilot
yeah possibly boss could not hit tank for whatever reason or something
also had the dragons after the run shit just turn and oneshot me with frontal
thats on tank usually isnt it?
uneven mason
may be u ripped threat
This, even as arms who isn't that bursty I'll rip vs pug tanks.... it's why I prefer to tank
toxic pewter
was the tank a night elf by chance maybe they shadowmelded in weird situations lol
craggy pilot
was the tank a night elf by chance maybe they shadowmelded in weird situations l...
tauren brewmonk
decided not to tank this season since Enha Shaman is back to feeling good, but i guess it was a dumb move 😄
tanking just feels bad, gets my chest pumping way too much when doing 20s
uneven mason
Oh enh has some burst
craggy pilot
one small fuckup where i die, and the key is basically bricked because its a full wipe
final radish
WM weapon is good ?
craggy pilot
Oh enh has some burst
enha is fucking sick ❤️
uneven mason
Yeah been working on mine
craggy pilot
im doing same dps as some people 15 ilvls higher 😄
uneven mason
I should buckle down this week and get 2500 on the war, only 200 to go
craggy pilot
but man, waiting 20 minutes for tank/heal is just annoying 😦
warm plinth
WM weapon is good ?
For st yes
warm plinth
I should buckle down this week and get 2500 on the war, only 200 to go
I'd like to buckle you down
uneven mason
toxic pewter
😄
uneven mason
Wish me luck, should be doing heroic fryguy prog tonight
Big lego opportunity
Since I'm still working on my plan for the bdk tank to "need to be somewhere else"
torn gulch
enha is fucking sick ❤️
it is still a slot machine spec like it was in the past?
craggy pilot
it is still a slot machine spec like it was in the past?
not too much i feel
have a few downtimes where i wait, but its mainly due to not enough haste
torn gulch
i was joking with an enha in my guild a while ago that he should get a 5 7s slot machine weakaura when the procs came in
with the sound
uneven mason
Get a jackpot noise when Stormstrike resets 3x in a row
craggy pilot
Stormstrike resets dont rly mean anything
Elementalist build is the awesome playstyle
torn gulch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBjAw8VC1Ok
actually this one
vocal flame
Good Morning all. When you place a public order for a crafted item and the item is not the desired ilevel that you want. Is there a way to cancel that or are you just screwed?
jagged pier
u dont do a public order
but u can just keep recrafting it in public till someone gets lucky
torn gulch
what was the desired ilvl?
vocal flame
But you need the input the item every time you recraft it right?
vocal flame
476
torn gulch
with embelishment and rank 3 missive?
vocal flame
yeah all top tier mats too and I got diamond instead of gold
torn gulch
sometimes even 476 with full load cannot get direct rank 5 without a mettle orb
which costs
jagged pier
thats what happens with public order anyone will pick them up
most of the time they cant guarntee anything as they are doing it to lvl it
torn gulch
yep never do public orders on crafts
vocal flame
Well if you are like me with a dead guild and no friends besides spamming trade how do you get one made at max level?
w/o doing a public order
torn gulch
you look at people advertising on trade
and whisper the one you need
and set on a price
vocal flame
ok, so to recraft like Jakey was saying, do you need the crest and the item that makes it 476 everytime or just the basic mats from the AH?
torn gulch
recrafting will need less mats
it shows what you need when you put it into a recrafting order
but like i said direct rank 5s will cost a pretty penny because the crafter will have to use his own mettle to guarantee rank 5
without the orb you'll have to gamble at like 43-45% inspiration chance to get rank 5
vocal flame
mnmm ok thank you I will have to check it out. I just got one additional item to craft something to 476 so hoping I don't have to use that to recraft. Farmed enough m+ to finally purchase one for a 486 too. I will start asking in trade
torn gulch
if you ask in trade you'll be whispered by like 10 peeps at once
try to look at trade for like 1-2 minutes and see who is advertising what
then whisper him
vocal flame
ok I will, typically i don't see much on my server but I will keep an eye out
torn gulch
playing on a small server might be a problem
because you might not have a lot of crafters
restive scroll
On my server, I never get wisp when asking for a crafter
so that advice might not work for you
torn gulch
this is why i told him to watch trade then whisper the crafters
restive scroll
There's also crafter.io or something
that registers some crafter
There are not much advertisement on some server, such as mine
there are literally 3 advertisers. 1 boost, 2 crafters and I'm one of them
torn gulch
if i was on a small server i'll cover the entire market
kekw
fortunately in my case i am part of a guild with basically all crafts and i am the guild crafter on certain professions
uneven mason
On stormrage, beating the bots is a challenge
silent vessel
nice, grats
vocal flame
Congrats!!!
strong forum
Yesterday I still did keys with a 447 weapon
And since then I got 5h weapons....
Tott 2h axe, then gorehowl in vault, then both HC weapons from raid + legendary
blazing condor
Reroll arms now or what
uneven mason
What I think anytime a ret talks about getting the legendary
lyric cape
Did they remove the questline from the legendary?
uneven mason
Did they remove the questline from the legendary?
No
You loot a "usable" axe that kills you
Then do the quest to make it usable without death
lyric cape
Ah right. Good to know when i'll loot it in 5 months ;p
wind oak
Stop stealing my loots
uneven mason
Ahh ok thought it kaboomed you
dusky canopy
Gm kings
uneven mason
What buffs do we need?
dusky canopy
Obviously we need bloodlust
dusky canopy
300% shield slam increase
1000% execute buffs
I mean obviously
You play the same game right?
uneven mason
300% shield slam increase
Already approaching 300k SS crits bruh
dusky canopy
Should be 3 million
dusky canopy
timber nest
I mean. It’d be nice to be a brown DK with infinite cooldowns
trail glacier
@strong forum mr theorycrafter is warrior dead, should I reroll dps
strong forum
Wow
trail glacier
desbear
cobalt seal
Wow
It's really a shame that pwar is this dead, that its tc is playing resto shaman or arms warrior
trail glacier
strong forum
empty locust
It’s not dead….its resting
ionic hamlet
Is it really that bad?
uneven mason
No
trail glacier
Dw next expac thingy tree you get banner back
uneven mason
We're more than fine, but in raid there's some serious cheese that the current "meta" comps can pull off
ionic hamlet
Ooh banner
trail glacier
Then you can ruin your hands completely with 100 apm
uneven mason
Then you can ruin your hands completely with 100 apm
I'm already slapping IP almost every GCD
strong forum
That's just a light morning exercise
uneven mason
We're just swimming in rage
And this set bonus promotes IP abuse
My poor revenge button is so forlorn
ionic hamlet
Ok. I was thinking about trying tanking and something about prot warrior seems the most exciting choice
ionic hamlet
Yep
uneven mason
Make sure you pump up the bass, TC and leap require big subwoofer action
hardy snow
600k+ crits from tier set proc is nice
cerulean tusk
What buffs do we need?
+35% damage and +70 per rage spent scaling. 
Replaces sudden death
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
that my axe
sick sentinel
take this axe basically no changes needed only few so not copy right
add to d4
or wow
toxic pewter
meanwhile we got gholak aka the axe made for ants
dusky canopy
<@192743144276623360> mr theorycrafter is warrior dead, should I reroll dps
LOL just outting nom like that smh
Hey the tank trinket from council is still pretty dog butt for raid yeah?