Yeah, nothing like reduction in complexity to ward someone away
#protection
uneven mason
dusk cloak
uneven mason
None of the tanks are hard to play at a passable level
summer fulcrum
My other question: Do I make a Tauren or a Human? Which one is bigger dick
uneven mason
So yeah meme
lusty grotto
fair enough
regal matrix
None of the tanks are hard to play at a passable level
vdh is imo
uneven mason
My other question: Do I make a Tauren or a Human? Which one is bigger dick
Dwarf
lusty tiger
^
toxic pewter
Vulpera
summer fulcrum
Dwarf is short tho
uneven mason
Dwarf is short tho
You asked bigger D, I answered
lusty grotto
maybe before this season it was a bit tougher, but its not anymore
regal matrix
maybe before this season it was a bit tougher, but its not anymore
I d have to try it this season, but last seasons/SL it was kinda hard to get aggro/establish a pull
lusty grotto
thats all gone
lusty tiger
they also buffed aggro
uneven mason
vdh is imo
I went into hc not knowing anything about vdh in DF and never came close to death literally spammed generators and soenders
regal matrix
glaive throw holds aggro?
lusty grotto
and/or EM
lusty tiger
increased threat iirc
lusty grotto
yes the rework increased damage substantially
regal matrix
I went into hc not knowing anything about vdh in DF and never came close to deat...
agreed, i considered vdh hard because of what you had to do to pull
but in raid that doesnt exist
uneven mason
I mean I didn't have any problems in the 15s I did either, but I'm not pushing on the dh
It was a meme last season
Throw glaive was sad aggro
lusty grotto
even if it was still, vdh would be fine
cause fiery sigil will just grab everything
and if not you still have elysian might into spirit bomb
uneven mason
The hunt!
lusty grotto
and as far as defensives go... vdh is tankier than ever now
with illuminated sigils etc
uneven mason
Esp that ridic magic mit
uneven mason
All the tanks are great, pick your flavor
regal matrix
All the tanks are great, pick your flavor
what you think of monk? I have never played it at a decent level (for me) but its abilities feel disconnected
regal matrix
button bloat
this is so true
median tulip
I've honestly not seen a Brewmaster so far this season. When I play on Alts it's all BDK and VDH
grim pilot
button bloat
had a guy make brew and ask me if every tank has 40 buttons to press
I wouldn't know since I only played pwar at that time and so far only a bit of bdk and like 3 keys as ppal but holy hell
jagged pier
i mean we have close to the same
jagged pier
rotation just flows better on prot for me
grim pilot
you have like 5 small cds
regal matrix
i mean we have close to the same
but pwarr abilities feel 10 times better
grim pilot
and like 5 rotational buttons
regal matrix
like they actually do stuff
jagged pier
clunky with RSK which is why i dont like it
regal matrix
Monk has TP, rsk, SCK, fire breath and keg smash
and blackout kick
and all of them feel like silly little abilities (except keg)
uneven mason
I haven't touched brm since s1
Because at minimum there's 27 hotkeys and not many that make sense to macro
lusty tiger
clunky with RSK which is why i dont like it
just should autocast rsk when you sck
dusky canopy
Agreed I don’t play some classes that appeal to me because you’d have to keybind a piano to do it lol
regal matrix
just should autocast rsk when you sck
but why have TP bok sck too?
lusty tiger
but why have TP bok sck too?
right lets just have it be like a bm hunter where your 3 buttons cast 10 different interactions
regal matrix
brew d still have many buttons even if you remove 2 of the ones I mentioned (counting rsk)
uneven mason
right lets just have it be like a bm hunter where your 3 buttons cast 10 differe...
Bring brm back to "The Fetid Log"
lusty tiger
Bring brm back to "The Fetid Log"
uneven mason
Buttons, what're those?
lusty tiger
brm does huge damage at the cost of your personal mettle
lusty tiger
like... ground targeted?
dusky canopy
You could green circle location that sucker unlimited casts
It was fun
It was basically a tool for grabbing mobs
regal matrix
Bring back throwable keg smash
i wish for it everyday
dusky canopy
It wasn’t a rotational button necessarily
dusky canopy
Yeah that was peak monk
uneven mason
That's why my first monk was a Tauren named Donkakong
dusky canopy
It’s been pretty dog since
novel temple
Get some azerite gear and a heart of Azeroth for even more speed
lusty tiger
now you just need banner
dusky canopy
210% speed or it’s not enough
lusty tiger
210% speed or it’s not enough
hack3r
vocal nimbus
we cant choose the helm enchant right?
uneven mason
Assuming it just morphs for your spec
Since DPS would probably take the defensive one and tanks want the dps one
lusty grotto
lol yea
uneven mason
Because prot would give you sta
waxen cradle
My first monk was a BrM named Sumtingwong
regal matrix
Mine was Biru
uneven mason
None of these sound like Donkey Kong
flat stratus
hey guys . what level of key does cheat death trinket is obliged to use ? cause i only did 20s with dps trinkets without any problem but i wanna push my io .
uneven mason
hey guys . what level of key does cheat death trinket is obliged to use ? caus...
When you start dying through CDs
uneven mason
So, logically, never? With proper gameplay
flat stratus
just have to try on forti weeks . that's where tanking is rough .
flat stratus
yea cause basicly on every big pull where i know it's gonna hurt i wait to have all adds aggroed and ramp my shield block and IP and then shield wall . along with brutal vitality same. same with the 3rd boss on ttot when totem is down the amount of damage i recieve is a lot . idk if my openner is good but kept me alive . but i know there is better openner ones .
flat stratus
oh haha thay far ahead lmao .
jagged pier
u really dont need cheat death trinket
dont know why ppl think u need it for like a 15
flat stratus
yea cause i got it last night and wondering what level of key it's actually useful
lusty grotto
people liking spoon fed bite sized info without any context
not liking, but i guess its moron-proof
so "easier"
jagged pier
ppl talk about it in hypotheicals which annoys me 'but if it procs'
cool it wont tho
or it might but that mistake was covered by better play
lusty grotto
jagged pier
i could also just say what if u proc it on one pack then die the next
not doing much for u there
but fyrakk trinket might have been up for both cases
🤷
flat stratus
it will only proc i guess if you dont know what pack you pulling and what button you dont press
augury trinket ? or the tank trinket
left basalt
I have a 441 scales, glad I'm not farming another one at 483 
jagged pier
nah it will get to a lvl where the mobs u pull will just proc it but thats where its supposed to be used
flat stratus
with 30+ 20s i did and 40+ 15+ i only died from dumbness hahah
example i rushes the spiders in brh
rushed *
and a healer doesnt dispel
or out of range
lusty grotto
just dwarf
waxen cradle
Is gonna be interesting to see horde and alliance have dwarves in well about a year
lusty grotto
doesnt matter if they dont have stoneform or fireblood
toxic pewter
earthen 20-25% larger than dwarves
jagged pier
why there are literally no faction anymore
waxen cradle
this is true they won't have stoneform or fireblood, but it does beg the question will they get something like it or similiar
I mean they are like dwarves made of stone yeah ?
lusty grotto
we will see soon i guess
waxen cradle
yeah will be interesting how they shake things up
lusty grotto
if i was blizzard i wouldnt give them an iteration of it
and then just continue to cash in on race changes
waxen cradle
in affect I can't imagine it being much different than horde and alliance both being pandas
toxic pewter
NA servers up
jagged pier
waxen cradle
Or for that matter Horde and Alliance both essentially having a "version" of blood elves which are called "Void Elves"
lusty grotto
timber nest
What cooldowns do people do for mythic larodar? My guilds been to the last phase a few times and we had a 7% wipe but I feel like I could do the first phase better
left basalt
i think pretty shit vault?
left basalt
gdi
uneven mason
Looks like a socket
left basalt
crab for fury maybe?
hardy snow
i think pretty shit vault?
socket is quite useful
uneven mason
crab for fury maybe?
For what
waxen cradle
Should have one where peppo walks up all excited for loot and finds crap and storms off mad for vault
lusty grotto
that would be me
lusty grotto
yea
slender terrace
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
well signet wont be replaced either if he doesnt do heroic
uneven mason
for my fury spec
What's that
left basalt
What's that
its fun 🙂
uneven mason
oh that butcher block though
jagged pier
its one of the worst trinkets
warm plinth
Wait do you mean block or ashes @jagged pier
jagged pier
u wanna loose haste?
lusty grotto
youre kinda boned with that vault though, just sim
uneven mason
yeah it's a garbage vault
taking the high haste ring I guess
since I have shit rings
visual ravine
what do u think about BRH trinket?
strong forum
As mediocre as it gets
jagged pier
i call that myth tier piece
strong forum
Yeah pick chest
uneven mason
right
visual ravine
cool ty
soft plume
how do we feel about spores of alacrity? if its trash ill prob just take the cheat death trinket
uneven trench
left basalt
how do we feel about spores of alacrity? if its trash ill prob just take the che...
opening as prot, spicy
soft plume
mistakes were made
debating on just going with a gem socket rn, myth cheat death trink is neat but i mean it seems like such a minimal upgrade from the hero track version, its gonna do its job regardless of that ilvl difference i think
plush tendon
Im sort of like, take the stonescales to have or a socket
but anyways you get a bonk
loud light
I have crafted cloak and wrists, what should I craft next?
silent vessel
ring with flavor pocket
loud light
silent vessel
or shield probably if you dont have a good one
left basalt
debating on just going with a gem socket rn, myth cheat death trink is neat but ...
thats my thought process with my 441, we only really want the effect, no use to farm (right now) it IMO
lusty grotto
vault key stonescale players 🙂
soft plume
i feel flamed rn 😢
blissful iris
is cataclysmic signet brand oversimming or is it really that good .. simming raid fight like 1 boss 5 min. I feel like its inflated in M+ cause stack drops but man is it really this good
harsh trellis
So I am in the middle of simming my shiznizzle here. I have a question regarding leech vs avoidance. 489 tier piece ... avoidance or leech, the bot is tellin me avoidance.
blissful iris
happens a lot to me with my smaller one i have in doti .. all those long runs
blissful iris
roger let me hit it again
soft plume
do we not like spores of alacrity in m+ over rezan or nightmare egg shell?
strong forum
I dropped signet 4 times in brh and it still did 13k dps in that key
lusty grotto
So I am in the middle of simming my shiznizzle here. I have a question regarding...
leech
strong forum
It is just that fucking good
lusty grotto
do we not like spores of alacrity in m+ over rezan or nightmare egg shell?
hell no
avoidance doesnt do a whole lot for us
harsh trellis
thats what I was thinking, we need to get smacked in the face
lusty grotto
no, thats not it
avoidance helps only for aoe damage
it should be on the tooltip
anyway if your sim is picking the avoidance piece, its def not because of avoidance
tertiaries are tertiaries
soft plume
i guess i underestimated rezan
harsh trellis
i guess i underestimated rezan
?
soft plume
i had it sitting in my bag and was only using it in raid lul
harsh trellis
im still chasing that thing down
soft plume
i've gotten rezan like 3 times now but i have had absolutely zero luck on raid trinkets
patent osprey
Mythic Signet brand SMILE 🙂
lusty grotto
gz pika
silent vessel
pog
toxic pewter
i got helm enchant
elfin atlas
Which weapon is better for us? The Servant Splitter or the Adulation Enforcer? Is it worth sacrificing the Haste/Vers for on equip effect?
sick sentinel
HELMENT omegalul
sick sentinel
oh u have to raid to get it
lusty grotto
you sure do
strong forum
Mythic Signet brand SMILE 🙂
But the counterweight is right there 
haste gud
sick sentinel
well
jagged pier
:chatting:
sick sentinel
im still working on recoring overkill
strong forum
But also wtf is that vault 4 fucking trinkets xd
lusty grotto
all of the vaults posted so far have had a shitton of trinkets
patent osprey
double Smoldy 🙂
sick sentinel
i am on the final 2-3 bosses of LFR as it were if i were to compare this game to wow raiding
sick sentinel
its not super hard, but its tough
jagged pier
kek
patent osprey
but nothing competes with brand ^.^
toxic pewter
yeah the helm enchant def changes when you swap spec
so cannot purposely choose which one u want
for the record
jagged gust
Get some azerite gear and a heart of Azeroth for even more speed
I've been wondering if that actually works. I'm at the tertiary speed cap, does azerite gear provide a direct speed increase or is it more tertiary? Cuz if former then hell yeah, if latter I'm SoL, but with the right spec I can average a roughly 116% run speed boost
toxic pewter
def needed to confirm
lusty grotto
it was in the PTR
sick sentinel
lusty grotto
nope
sick sentinel
thats what i took
hot dew
hello i have this trinkets prophetic stonescales (hero) and gift of the ursine (champ) a side from that my chest is hero and the chest on the vault is mythic (i have 4/4 tier)
Can anyone give some advice pls
sick sentinel
strong forum
chest
sick sentinel
i got half a terrabyte of recording of that game cuz all the play throughs i found on yt were in low resolution
hot dew
my chest is hero and the chest is mythic on the vault
hot dew
ok ty
strong forum
The other 2 trinkets are whack
hot dew
better the i have?
lusty grotto
reminder we get a cata charge today
strong forum
They're marginally better, not worth to be picked from vault
haughty ibex
does the armor from Frosted Armor Kit not give extra STR via AttT?
haughty ibex
would that make Frosted worth taking over Fierce?
strong forum
Yes
haughty ibex
Rog
strong forum
The stamina enchants got even worse this patch
Cuz they make up an even smaller % than they already did
haughty ibex
wowhead page still saying Fierce, thats y i had to ask
cinder nova
Are our sim profiles updated to account for the counterweight change?
hardy snow
Cuz they make up an even smaller % than they already did
so does any other 
lusty grotto
welp myth chest from my vault, so it wasnt that bad
jagged gust
wowhead page still saying Fierce, thats y i had to ask
Over half of wowhead still has advice for S2
You're absolutely in the right for questioning anything on that page
haughty ibex
tbf, my wowhead bookmark is a link to bfa arms with Azerite options
and I still have the arms compendium from legion bookmarked
cinder nova
Sims should be updated
Is it just that bad? It always seemed to be really high on my overall compared to Rezan's, but it sims like 2.1K lower at max ilvl against a 483 Rez
cinder nova
I'd figure between a proc that hits for 239K, another that hits for 129K + 15% extra dam would be cranking harder.
But that's armor for you.
I'm sure it's probably better for non-phys heavy classes.
lusty grotto
you gotta be fucking kiding me
vdh gets rageheart, chipadin gets augury
NIMCHIP GETS MYTH CHEST
i fucking hate my life
cinder nova
To brown class is to suffer
frank obsidian
Do i need to change my loot to arms to get rezan trinket? Cant see this trinket on adventure guide with protection filter.
cinder nova
Yeah it's DPS
uneven mason
Obviously those other classes need more help
sand pebble
this head chant getting nerfed or what?
sick sentinel
i had, bad crit mastery cloak with tleech, boots haste versa, and ring i posted
all hero track
so i took ring
cosmic wyvern
but I have a hero rageheart and hero ursine vengeance
I could take myth bracers but I have shadowflame patch in that slot crafted
uneven mason
sounds like someone needs a socket
cosmic wyvern
bruh I can't have anything go right can I
cosmic wyvern
I already feel like ending it all for unrelated reasons and the vault's just like "yeah do it pussy" lmao
sick sentinel
TBH, im just trying to get all of my slots to be minimum haste and hero
jagged pier
this head chant getting nerfed or what?
not really is a nerf to the raid and dungeons and stuff with them not needing to change numbers
sick sentinel
hero or wyrm+ crafted
cosmic wyvern
I sometimes play fury in keys when my raid cotank needs a person. How bad are the spores for fury?
lusty grotto
for fury? bad
vocal flame
how bad are the spores
someone once told me here that anything with spores in it has been historically bad for us
cosmic wyvern
god I really don't want to miss out on another myth piece but there's nothing good
I hate my life lmao
shy ledge
Anyone have trouble with Violent Outburst weakauras? Just made a super simple weakaura to display when I have the buff but for whatever reason it just doesn't display. Only "buff aura" one I've ever had problems with
warm plinth
Could be a number of things
lusty grotto
maybe you could pick one up and see what they do differently
warm plinth
Wrong spell Id, load condition, etc
uneven mason
I just use Afenar's WA
shy ledge
Yeah I guess I'll just grab one from there, was just confused because it's the most simple basic weakaura, have like 10-15 others like it across my other characters with no issues
But yeah I'll grab one from wago
uneven mason
information is in a good placement
violet ginkgo
I might need some suggestion
I am not sure if any of those 3 trinkets from mythic is good for me so I am leaning toward the shield or ring. The ring got prismatic socket and speed in addition, is it worth that much or just F it go get shield and boost 17 ilvl from my old shield.
lusty grotto
shield
uneven mason
every one I've seen has been absolute poo
lusty grotto
shield is your #1 upgrade as prot
vocal flame
3 trinkets? I am so sorry
lusty grotto
highest ilvl shield >>>> all
violet ginkgo
alright claiming shield
cosmic wyvern
I mean, the porclen clab is pretty good for fury
uneven mason
I might need some suggestion
I am not sure if any of those 3 trinkets from mythi...
Shield, even though you could craft a 486 one
uneven mason
I mean, the porclen clab is pretty good for fury
What is this Fury everyone keeps talking about @lusty grotto help me
lusty grotto
idk man idk
old flame
cosmic wyvern
I got a myth iridikron shield from vault last week so of course the vault decided to give me a slightly worse myth shield this week
uneven mason
thoughts?https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamur...
If you don't have a myth chest, take chest
jagged pier
please sim
warm plinth
What is this Fury everyone keeps talking about <@131897531251556352> help me
Isn't that the resource dh uses
lusty grotto
thoughts?https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamur...
chest
uneven mason
Isn't that the resource dh uses
That's what I thought
old flame
I did sim, neck is showing best
vocal flame
Prob cause all that juicy haste
lusty grotto
are you simming on max ilvl?
old flame
I wasn't simming the chest at max ilvl
frozen rose
far as we know, is lfr giving same amount of echoed ephemera as normal/heroic mode this week?
jagged pier
i mean i would take the 489 tier piece
lusty grotto
no it'll give more to make sure everyone completes the quest
cinder pasture
I still have a 437 neck 
old flame
buddy did one wing of LFR and finished
old flame
from 40
uneven mason
I still have a 437 neck <:sadge:820202363359854633>
craft neck, take myth tier chest
frozen rose
got it, guess ill just do lfr for it then
uneven mason
you'll never replace it lol
old flame
That's what I thought
uneven mason
why is bolstering still a thing
Because they like watching
DPS get 1 shot
I got the boots finally the other day, after years of farming that stupid place, just thought I'd share.
uneven mason
i got the boots in wrath when it was current
Boots drop in a legion dungeon
there was no red boots in WoTLK
lusty grotto
oh well
uneven mason
They're a rare drop offa boss that has a "CHANCE" to be up in assault on Dalaran
warm plinth
yes you will get a cap of 60 this week
How does everyone get it? Do you get like a buttload per boss or something
lusty grotto
i still have em
blazing condor
nimchip lying
vagrant lance
so is there any point in picking the neck? cause from what i can tell there is no way to use the nature side unless im missing something
lusty grotto
How does everyone get it? Do you get like a buttload per boss or something
pretty much
warm plinth
The effect doesn't matter even slightly
lusty grotto
nimchip lying <:sadge:820202363359854633>
shh let me 1guy
uneven mason
that's a
warm plinth
It loses nothing for the effect. Treat it like any other necklace
vagrant lance
that's a <:sim:353616825847906304>
i did, i was more so asking if theres something that im missing with the proc. we have no way of doing nature correct?
vocal flame
i did, i was more so asking if theres something that im missing with the proc. ...
Yes do not forget to water your plants
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
also i aint lying
uneven mason
Yeah I was just saying, it took me several years running it on 4 characters, just shit luck
lusty grotto
uneven mason
I got trolled hard too
Because I had dungeon on normal once and the normal version dropped
And I was like fuck yeah
Then I went to xmog and they went there
lusty grotto
it'd be like that sometimes
median tulip
i did, i was more so asking if theres something that im missing with the proc. ...
Potions of Shocking Disclosure
uneven mason
Potions of Shocking Disclosure
grizzled nova
helm enchant is pretty okay for fort
in a 22 eb
I'll take 13m extra health
does less damage than I expected it to
3% overall
not nothing, but I thought it was simming higher
uneven mason
So is that enchant from the raid quest?
grizzled nova
yeh
grizzled nova
you can finish it this week if you were behind
20 ephemera cap this week instead of 10
I was 2 behind as well
regal matrix
Charge, leap, throw, taunt?
And when they are casters you just pray your team kicks?
Too used to bdk ppal vdh I guess
strong forum
does less damage than I expected it to
3% is the exact expected value
queen hemlock
First time playing a fort + bolstering week
Doing 18-20 keys
Em
So it just means that pulling more than say 5 medium sized mobs is a a bad idea right?
Did waycrest and the spells flying off to anyone but me seem to melt anything
uneven mason
First time playing a fort + bolstering week
Doing 18-20 keys
Em
So it just means...
Just kill them at the same time
But yes, that is the danger, DPS and healers will get obliterated
queen hemlock
But if thats not an option
Pulling small packs still usually allow me to time it i suppose?
And big thanks aye
uneven mason
Wcm brh and dht are going to be spicy this week
queen hemlock
Ah fuck dht's flower fuck
uneven mason
And you can't do open to bears
Because the roars are unavoidable
Cats pounce will fuckup a DPS day
And we'll see how saucy the bats can be
Since that shit ticks hard on normal weeks
uneven mason
I think bats wont apply bolstering?
In dht
queen hemlock
Ah
queen hemlock
I wonder how its gonna be when people hard target one of the bear before the first boss
Im gonna die
sinful stone
476 gholak vs 483 reg 1h?
lusty grotto
sim
cosmic wyvern
I know everyone here hates tank trinkets but I've really loved the rageheart. It's so nice having an extra defensive for things like oakheart's grip
sinful stone
is protection sim accurate?
uneven mason
476 gholak vs 483 reg 1h?
Yeah
lusty grotto
wdym sim accurate
except for aug there's not a class that isnt sim accurate
as long as youre not expecting to sim healing or defensiveness, which arent really done on simcraft
and consequently on raidbots
lusty grotto
its an ok trinket sure
there are just better ones
its great for aoe, but 3 min cd fucks it a bit
regal matrix
Whole raids damage going up atleast 15% this week from helmet
is it that big?
lusty tiger
Whole raids damage going up atleast 15% this week from helmet
?
Actually??
Or meme?
dusky canopy
It’s like 1-2% dps increase per person
regal matrix
na its actually 20% or even 30% in heroic
lusty tiger
light dune
50% in mythic
lusty tiger
regal matrix
does anyone know if there is catch up to the helmet thingy?
lusty grotto
there is
lusty tiger
True
dusky canopy
15% increase boys let’s gooo
lusty tiger
dusky canopy
See we’re hyped now
lusty tiger
15% helmet LETSGOOOOO
lusty tiger
EB is EZ
light dune
my dungeon distribution makes no sense
lusty grotto
lol?
cosmic wyvern
my cotank just agreed to duel for the first heroic gholak that drops. Any tips on beating a prot paladin
lusty grotto
EB is easy, except for this week lmao
lusty tiger
my cotank just agreed to duel for the first heroic gholak that drops. Any tips o...
RIP
lusty grotto
cause we're gonna get giga fucked with flowers bolstering
lusty tiger
my cotank just agreed to duel for the first heroic gholak that drops. Any tips o...
Shattering throw
lusty grotto
nah hes gonna lose
lusty tiger
Yeah
That duel is not in good faith if he was the one who offered
And if u offered u deserve death (in game)
dusky canopy
Tell him if he uses LoH or WoG procs he forfeits
Then it’s fair
Also can’t bubble
light dune
tell him he can only autoattack
toxic pewter
pvp as prot is great
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
new tier set hits hard too
lusty tiger
PvP is so dang deadge
lusty grotto
apb youve beaten shitters
toxic pewter
battlegrounds basically an unstoppable god
lusty grotto
that doesnt count
toxic pewter
so i put him in his place
cosmic wyvern
would I have a better shot against her if I go fury
lusty tiger
Riperature
dusky canopy
Nomshom
lusty tiger
Nomlinktotem
lusty grotto
if you have 0 exp as pvp, you wont do shit yogg
cosmic wyvern
I hit combatant a few times :(
lusty grotto
they have to be absolutely fucking terrible to lose
strong forum
Nomeriptide Nomeratotem is what i like so far
lusty tiger
Nomeratotem is good
jagged pier
Menderatur
dusky canopy
jagged pier
i like
cosmic wyvern
nomerpills
toxic pewter
nomeratidepods
strong forum
too long
toxic pewter
nomeratide
teal swift
I dont wanna fuck with sims
toxic pewter
wat
teal swift
normal Gholak is gg, but how decent is LFR gholak
toxic pewter
only trust robot
teal swift
it was an upgrade, but like, idk, how many ilvl is that cantrip even worth i dont wanna sim every weapon i see drop in M+ lmao
torn gulch
i think the 463 lfr gholak beats 483 weapons but not 489 ones
teal swift
i think the 463 lfr gholak beats 483 weapons but not 489 ones
kk, ty
i'll assume its like +20ilvl min
teal swift
yeah i dont need certainty atm
ionic fern
i have a name
SShoot
teal swift
Its replacing a 463 with a 463
torn gulch
then it's a huge upgrade
pallid quiver
i was too slow for Shameratur
teal swift
then it's a huge upgrade
Yeah, im chronically lazy, and do no content where my gear matters, I probably wont sim against it until i get a myth track anyways, but was more curious
lusty tiger
its not changed yet
Never wait for those… they take longer if you actively wait
Source: trust me bro
toxic pewter
it was an upgrade, but like, idk, how many ilvl is that cantrip even worth i don...
uhh simming takes like 3 minutes or some crap
teal swift
uhh simming takes like 3 minutes or some crap
I have to log into the char
change spec
then put input in, then gear compare
with imaginary gear i dont even have
toxic pewter
lol
teal swift
I figured someone, somewhere wouldve already simmed the cantrip
silent vessel
do you guys also sometimes have the issue that first boss in galakronds doesnt do his circle
strong forum
havent experienced that yet
silent vessel
we just had this in a 25
restive scroll
do you guys also sometimes have the issue that first boss in galakronds doesnt d...
I did
silent vessel
retried in 24 and had it two times as well
restive scroll
Nobody saw it in our case
silent vessel
yeah we wiped because our dps didnt see it
lusty grotto
havent seen it either
careful you dont have particles off and dont see it
since im guessing you mean the soak circle
teal swift
its done, seems to be like 17 to 20 ilvl worth of secondary stats
restive scroll
For me, we didn't see the initial jump, the "future" jump was seeable though
silk sandal
is the absorb shield on the volcoross neck worthwhile? I have it 489 in my vault and its simming as 0.1% compared to throne neck at 476 if I change around a bunch of gems and enchants. But its either that or myth track belt but we have larodar on farm and I am one of only 4 plate users in the raid =X
just not sure how good the absorb shield actually is since we can only proc half of it
uneven mason
is the absorb shield on the volcoross neck worthwhile? I have it 489 in my vault...
No, you don't consider the proc when making that choice
lusty grotto
just not sure how good the absorb shield actually is since we can only proc half...
treat it as any other neck
the shield isnt that big of a deal
in fact it shouldn't be a factor at all
silk sandal
so when i asked is when i realized its only for nature damage haha
so it only even works on tindral mushrooms lol
yeah okay its bad
silk sandal
well dont need anythign special to suvive nymue
lusty grotto
its negligible
silk sandal
she just kinda does nothing to me
uneven mason
Basically
small marsh
thinking goldsteel sabatons unless the ember is a sleeper hit
jagged pier
its not
small marsh
yeah, I've read that it's basically "one of the better defensive trinkets out of M+, and also still kinda bad"
novel temple
Doesn’t the volo oroborus neck just negate corrupted potions essentially?
modern gazelle
whats the ranking of tertiary stats?
uneven mason
Not considered
modern gazelle
and how do the stat numbers convert to %?
pallid quiver
GOTTA GO FAST
no percent
they're just random bullshit that make you smile in the morning
uneven mason
Speed indeed bis
pallid quiver
A single point of any secondary is worth more than any amount of tertiary
modern gazelle
well obviously
but if i have 2 tertiary stat pieces im wondering which one might be worth it
not sure how tertiary numbers convert to % like how much leech gives 10% leech
pallid quiver
if they're the exact same piece, both with tertiaries
jagged pier
leech is bis
pallid quiver
i dunno whatever makes you feel better
jagged pier
the rest who cares
modern gazelle
how does leech transfer into %?
pallid quiver
Leech is the only one that will actually benefit us, but you'd need to get a looooot of good gear that has leech on it already for it to be anything noticeable
modern gazelle
is there a cap?
uneven mason
leech is bis
Speeed
uneven mason
pallid quiver
the real bis tertiary is whatever one the powers that be deign to give you
jagged pier
brah i had 20% leech in season one
didnt have an issue getting anywhere
but literally just healing myself is very useful
modern gazelle
do you know how much leech is equal to 1%?
modern gazelle
im just curious mostly
toxic pewter
i have 641 leech and it giving me 4.33%
restive scroll
Is leech worth 6 ilvl ? :p
toxic pewter
na
restive scroll
Thought so, ty
uneven mason
148 leech per %
pallid quiver
okay, but what if it's a piece that gives 500% leech tho
uneven mason
Is leech worth 6 ilvl ? :p
It's not worth using a non haste piece at equal ilvl IMHO
jagged pier
then it would be removed from the game
pallid quiver
nah, it'd just be made DK only, i bet
restive scroll
It's not worth using a non haste piece at equal ilvl IMHO
Got pants tier mythic/heroic leech
pallid quiver
man's gotta support his crew or somethin
restive scroll
that's why I was wondering
uneven mason
nah, it'd just be made DK only, i bet
Would literally have no impact then
median tulip
One season, the vault will give me a full set of max ilvl leech gear 
uneven mason
Make sure you stack vers gear on it as well
median tulip
I had 30% last season and it was great
They should put in things for Vault Currency that would add a Tertiary stat to gear
uneven mason
Only works on bracer and cloak, replaces enchats
sick sentinel
almost done with that playstation then i can get back to probably wow
uneven mason
Also TFW you see another god of war being released and realize that the original gow was on the ps2
sick sentinel
have been going hard on said game and trying to get a full recording of my playthrough of it
first playthrough took me 60 hours, this one has taken 48 hours so far, only handful of missions to go
opaque quest
dusky canopy
broken kite
wtf is this
restive scroll
wtf is this
buffed trinket, gonna have to test it
jagged pier
an okay vault
broken kite
which trinket was buffed
sick sentinel
broken kite
when i simmed it seemed like a socket was better
sick sentinel
one of the videos i saved is 4 hours long
lusty grotto
sims arent updated
broken kite
using rezans/rageheart
uneven mason
when i simmed it seemed like a socket was better
Spiked
lusty grotto
counterweight was buffed
but we have no idea if sims are updated to take that buff into account
sick sentinel
ah, i get to trim 75% of that video anyway
strong forum
geez that took long for faction change
left basalt
wtf is this
Might not terrible, also myth gloves
broken kite
Might not terrible, also myth gloves
already got em otherwise would have xD
jagged pier
deadge
round pendant
Did they buff it?
broken kite
tier is nice for tc
round pendant
Right I see
lusty grotto
lets gooo
toxic pewter
nice
bleak breach
Nice buff to counterweight, will be interesting how good it is now.
jagged pier
thats a good name
zinc root
Any tips on how to tank m+ this week? I’m new so the affixes I’m not really familiar with
uneven mason
Don't gigga pull, try and get DPS to focus down Lt mobs first
zinc root
What’s Lt mean?
vocal flame
Any tips on how to tank m+ this week? I’m new so the affixes I’m not really fami...
Slow and steady wins the race
well not tooooo slow lol
rapid jewel
is it normal that on HC Tindral spawns over 50 seeds to soak in a 15 player raid?
sick sentinel
gpu drivers again for nvidia
lusty grotto
is it normal that on HC Tindral spawns over 50 seeds to soak in a 15 player raid...
yes
but they hit for less
so you can soak more
uneven mason
is it normal that on HC Tindral spawns over 50 seeds to soak in a 15 player raid...
I take 5-6 as DPS, no biggie
Can also immune them iirc
long stone
do we change fyrrak chest to tier chest ?
restive scroll
We have enough hast atm, so I'd say yes
long stone
so mast. is better than crit?
long stone
luerce i dont need to sim - when i have normal chest ^^
pallid quiver
On top of that, the defensive value of stats are outweighed by just having stats as compared to any specific benefit for stacking specific stats, so offense is the only consideration
You can sim between tier and Fyrakk chest
long stone
hmmm
restive scroll
Ask a general question, get a general answer
Only sim will answer in the precise case
pallid quiver
When you go to sim top gear, you can choose to catalyze gear and it'll take it into consideration
It's the little plus sign next to whatever piece you would catalyze
since i assume you mean you got a fyrakk chest and are wondering if you catalyze it into tier chest
cosmic dagger
Guys, what are good stats for us?
pallid quiver
any, all are good, ilvl
Haste, Crit, and Vers are the high value on average, but mastery isn't bad, either
cosmic dagger
i got them like this
pallid quiver
If you're looking for any breakdowns, like I mentioned above, just sim
cosmic dagger
If you're looking for any breakdowns, like I mentioned above, just sim
for dps gain, but for defense?
lusty grotto
you cant sim for defense
pallid quiver
I recommend you scroll up to about 7-ish lines above where you posted
This conversation was had literally right before you asked
That one, specifically
cosmic dagger
sorry then
pallid quiver
No worries, it got slightly buried by the talk about sim usage in general
dusky canopy
Rezan doesnt doesn’t do enough party damage to warrant a healer
cosmic dagger
Hmm interesting 😄 but i love my cheat death trinket 😄
restive scroll
Hmm interesting 😄 but i love my cheat death trinket 😄
Yes, but it has "no dps value" in itself
probably even if you play around its proc
broken kite
apparently raidbots is already updated for counterweight
cosmic dagger
the feeling pulling megapuls, its just amazing with knowing u have one more life 😄
restive scroll
the feeling pulling megapuls, its just amazing with knowing u have one more lif...
ofc, but raidbot doesn't do feelings
It does math
beautiful, unbiased maths
(well, sortof)
cosmic dagger
ofc, but raidbot doesn't do feelings
U right
pallid quiver
Hmm interesting 😄 but i love my cheat death trinket 😄
Cheat death is notable because it's the single best trinket at what it does in enabling specific pulls/strategies/timings, but is the single worst trinket in pretty much every other situation. If you go without using it or treat it "like an extra life", it gives you very minimal value in comparison to other trinkets out there. The stat provided by other trinkets would prevent you from needing an extra life, or there's trinkets like rageheart which have decent damage while having more overall defensive value (since rageheart gives you like a 400k shield every 1.5mins). However, you can use it to specifically enable degenerate mega pulls or to bridge gaps in mitigation on specific boss rotations as an example of how to use it intentionally. So it's a trinket whose value can't really be simmed; you'd have to figure out what trinket to sacrifice for it in that case.
cosmic dagger
Cheat death is notable because it's the single best trinket at what it does in e...
The best example, why asking a more experienced Tank on Discord . TY i will try your advice
toxic pewter
wat the deal with all these wild prot warrs i encounter running bolster with t31 4pc
restive scroll
wat the deal with all these wild prot warrs i encounter running bolster with t31...
Haven't updated their talents ?
waxen orbit
Do I take Idol or ring?
Sims say Idol but
Idk if it's worth
Because if I get Eye
It's dead
strong forum
I'd take ring
You can get better trinkets more easily than a good myth haste ring
Or helmet and catalyse it
broken kite
agree ^
strong forum
Or better yet
Get socket
And make your current rings better
That's even better imo
Choice is up to you
ember token
Had the same ring and took it, but mine was with socket :p
(had almost exactly the same scenario*)
strong forum
Well yeah socketed myth haste ring in vault is very juice
I however pray to get augury in vault
I really want to get rid of my 2nd trinket
sick sentinel
no idea what augury is
not interested currently
would be nice, but im in no rush
pallid quiver
I don't think I'm gonna get augury before wow becomes ded game to me
Since the first test comes in about 6 days when an update comes to a fighting game I like
and second test in January when my favorite fighting game gets a whole ass new version that makes it playable online
median tulip
What have they done to Spiked Counterweight?
bleak breach
10% more initial damage 40% to the damage buff cap
bleak breach
no idea what augury is
Insane trink, gotta kill Fyrakk to get
brazen flume
hi guys , what items you craft ?
bleak breach
Wrist, cape and ring if you do a 3rd generally
jagged pier
What have they done to Spiked Counterweight?
they buffed it
pallid quiver
It now gives you $1 every time it deals damage
hollow hill
We should open vault as prot until we get a mythic level shield right
brazen flume
Wrist, cape and ring if you do a 3rd generally
what cape you mean ?
bleak breach
Basic cape with shadowflame patch embellishment
median tulip
We should open vault as prot until we get a mythic level shield right
Depends. Do you have a reasonable chance of killing Mythic Gnarlroot?
brazen flume
Basic cape with shadowflame patch embellishment
so you play 2x shadowflame ?
bleak breach
Yes
hollow hill
Depends. Do you have a reasonable chance of killing Mythic Gnarlroot?
I feel like i do yea
Go fury then?
median tulip
I feel like i do yea
He drops a Shield.
bleak breach
Not really
brazen flume
thenx
hollow hill
spiked counterweight still bad after the buff today?
strong forum
It's rppm
So it's super rng if it performs well or not
It can be insane
But it can also just suck
hollow hill
It's like the only decent thing in my vault this week lol
strong forum
Pick socket
hollow hill
hollow hill
I already have heroic rageheart and heroic gift of ursine vengeance
broken kite
ursine seems very mid
strong forum
Then you're chillin
broken kite
in my experience
strong forum
It does about 3% overall dmg + grants on average 2% mainstat
So it does beat most other trinkets in m+
toxic pewter
how much is 2% main stat vs just like 800 str on a trinket
oh ursine also has str on the trinket itself right
interesting
strong forum
Correct
So you can treat ursine as a trinket that has 8% mainstat instead of 6%
And then does the dmg effect ontop
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
seems pretty good
sick sentinel
one of the best visuals back drops in all of wow
median tulip
Half the time I forget exactly what Trinkets I'm running in M+
bleak breach
If I lose my roll on augury again this week I’m quitting the game lol
median tulip
My active trinket (if I have one) is always in slot 13 and I have that macrod (along with my racial) in with Avatar
It doesn't really matter what active trinket it is, or what it does, or how. It does stuff, and having it up in Avatar is almost certainly the best idea.
I'm sure this will annoy some people who have some micro-optimisation they care about, but I just send it
bleak breach
Anyone able to help
I had demo shout macrod into shield charge and tried to put my trinket in the middle but wouldn’t work
median tulip
Macros terminate when they encounter a global cooldown, IIRC
toxic pewter
yeah it does and so does shield charge if you use it within melee range
vestal moat
Any thoughts on heroic ursine versus heroic sandglass in keys? Other slot is locked to mythic rezan 😄
hollow hill
I took the mythic spiked counterweight from my vault for memes... this thing actually seems pretty good
toxic pewter
missing out on possible strength from other trinkets tho
hollow hill
5 procs on it, so that's 75 seconds of 15% additional damage to the boss
strong forum
That's not how it works
hollow hill
oh yea you're right
strong forum
It does +15% dmg until you did 300k extra dmg
hollow hill
it's capped
strong forum
The 4% dmg it did there
hollow hill
lol
strong forum
Is in reality only 1%
Cuz you lose str
And get crit instead
Haste*
Which is a 3% dmg loss from just stats
So you basically got 1% dmg from this trinket vs just a raw stat stick
How often did you use rage heart?
hollow hill
not on CD
strong forum
Yeah looks like it
hollow hill
I forget about it
hollow hill
that would help lmao
strong forum
The amount of people who just "forget" to use their on-use trinket is too high
hollow hill
yea i mean the bubble is so good i try to save it for a defensive cd but should really just use it on cd
strong forum
That's the conundrum with the trinket
It does good dmg when used on cd
But it's also a good defensive trinket
So holding it for defensive value diminishes its offensive value immensely
And vice versa
But also, you don't need defensive trinkets in raid, just send that shit on cd
Raid is all about max dmg
winter shard
hey dudes, i'm new to tanking, the maggots in waycrest as i pull them out to courtyard really rip me up - i'm not sure how to sustain during that brief time. only time i feel vulnerable
lusty grotto
you can spell block them too
winter shard
ah ok, thank you
if you guys don't mind answering another question - i have the wa to track dmg ignored through ignore pain. when is it good to start focusing on damage?
lusty grotto
the what
i have no idea what IP has to do with it but you can start focusing in damage from the start
bleak breach
@winter shard you do damage by using ignore pain with 4pc
lusty grotto
i dont think hes talking about that
lusty grotto
ok what about it
winter shard
i didn't know if i'm supposed to get to some magic number and then focus more on dmg
winter shard
I see, so not crutial at all to mitigation?
lusty grotto
not really
it'll be up at all times if youre playing correctly
so its not really worth looking to see if its up or tracking its uptime
winter shard
so after SB i can dump rage with revenge?