protection

[cerulean tusk]

Dodge and parry

DH life

[lusty grotto]

just do a 360 and hearthstone out

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

ez

no dmg taken

[dusky canopy]

It’s hard to dodge when you have a massive warrior….Weapon

[cerulean tusk]

Leap, shadowmeld, heartstone

Write a lot of tilting stuff about their mom's for bonus points

Take a 7 day break

Come back

Repeat

31 day break

[lusty grotto]

lol

i lost it at "about their mom"

out of all the things

[uneven mason]

I'm irritated, this bdk tank in my run shows no signs of quitting yet, first season that I wasn't in a tank slot by week 4

[lusty grotto]

he wont quit until leggo

[sick sentinel]

he will get bored when 10.2.5 happenws

[lusty grotto]

i guarantee you

[uneven mason]

And I suck at dps

[sick sentinel]

with the fated raids

[uneven mason]

That'll be 10.2.9

In 5 months

[sick sentinel]

how do you fuck up dragons in an expansion dedicated to dragons

that's my main recurring take away at the end of this expansion

[uneven mason]

By giving them human emotions

Literally humanizing every race

Is the main plot of DF

Especially the night elf heritage chain

[sick sentinel]

i still have not done that or the human one

or undead or troll

[uneven mason]

"near immortal hardened warrior/murderer overcomes 10,000 years of prejudice in a single afternoon killing demons with their 19 year old nephew"

Is basically it

[uneven mason]

These 2 are bangers

Undead is just amazing

Not quite on par with the orc

But easily as good as the human heritage

[cerulean tusk]

Because the wow writing team has decided that every fantasy being is just a human. So, they talk, walk and take action as such.

Also, friendship is magic.

[sick sentinel]

hmmm 1 sec

[uneven mason]

Yeah let's ignore that they're 30,000 years old and are representative of primal forces

[cerulean tusk]

let's throw 10k years of experience under the buss, kids got a point. It has been 5 years. It is time to change drastically

[uneven mason]

Wait, isn't that the backstory behind princess celestial

F, my argument just died

[dusky canopy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-spy2vtqg&pp=ygULZ3JvbW5hayB3b3c%3D

[uneven mason]

Ikr

[dusky canopy]

Good ol grom

[lusty grotto]

yogi parroting asmongold takes

nothing ever changes

[cerulean tusk]

Yogi do yogi takes

You take that back Mr pasta

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

WTF is there an anime girl emoji in skyhold

Who let a paladin in here

[sick sentinel]

this is the game im actulally playing as opposed to wow atm

some mecha demon (a boss, typically alot meaner)

[teal swift]

[sick sentinel]

hell, looking at the footage, he still kicked my ass

[lusty grotto]

oh its an anime girl? i take it back

[sick sentinel]

I want to stress that this is easy mode "wimp"

[lusty grotto]

wheres the noweebs emoji

[blazing condor]

[uneven mason]

reclearing heroic

Guess I could use rings

[karmic plinth]

with the idea of dropping shockwave to get uproar are there any dungeons where shockwave isnt worth taking or is dropping shockwave for any key where you might think about the extra stop a super troll move

[sick sentinel]

we have to drop shockwave to run keys now?

this might be deal breaker

[azure smelt]

shockwave on atal with a ret pally/dh is next to useless

[uneven mason]

Why would you take uproar?

Desync roar with ds/avatar

[karmic plinth]

i mean its already desynced right

[uneven mason]

Oh right set bonus

[sick sentinel]

does a paladin have a group stun now

[uneven mason]

NM s2 brain

[sick sentinel]

im not aware, they do have an aoe blind

[azure smelt]

wake of ashes or something

[sick sentinel]

oh thats a stun? thats cool

[lusty grotto]

yes wake of ashes stuns undead and demons

only those 2 types

[karmic plinth]

one of the pinned builds for weekly dam has it as an option i just dunno how troll it is to trade a stop for 35s tr cd and one point of whatever that talent is before spear

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt work on any other enemy types

[sick sentinel]

DK also has very strong stun aphyxiate

[lusty grotto]

as a stun (does damage still though)

[karmic plinth]

feel like someone in here is gonna know better than i will

[lusty grotto]

thats just a full damage build

its not recommended unless you know youre just gonna blast a key

[karmic plinth]

ye the pinned one is ofc

[lusty grotto]

thats why it says "for vault keys"

or weekly keys

same thing

either way it says what you need to swap for shockwave

[karmic plinth]

ye i know that part

im more just curious on how generally people feel on if shockwave is super essential for us to grab

[lusty grotto]

its essential

its just not if you have a mythic guild running vault keys cause everything will just melt

aka 8 18s

[karmic plinth]

so basically only drop it if your group is gonna melt everything? gotcha

[uneven mason]

It feels bad not having shockwave even in 18s

[lusty grotto]

i dont think you should drop it if youre asking

to be honest

[karmic plinth]

makes sense

[uneven mason]

Even in a group that melts shit, not having that stop on fort weeks just gambles with 1 cast going and gibbing a dps

[karmic plinth]

gotcha 🙂

[lusty grotto]

if you pug any slot

you cant run it

if you have a team, guild team or whatever, and its doing 17s/18s for the vault slots... then its an option

[uneven mason]

Also, there's a big opportunity cost because without shockwave some pulls are way less feasible, blackrook hold for example

There's 3 hallway pulls in there that shockwave is a must

[lusty grotto]

nah if those melt, fear is enough

[uneven mason]

The entrance to first boss is a big one though, all those casts

[lusty grotto]

at least on the demon packs

[uneven mason]

Yeah demon hall isn't the rough one, bats and the pillar pull after 1st boss

Also spiders

[lusty grotto]

all of those can get feared

ghosts cant

so first section and before illysanna

[uneven mason]

TFW I only run fear on incorp weeks

Bolstering next week

O right, doesn't increase hp anymore

Which is fine, 20% of zero is zero

[grizzled nova]

lots of non elites interact with affixes this season tho

so that should be interesting

[vocal flame]

Can't really chain pulls then right cause as they die they will buff the new mobs?

[uneven mason]

Yeah big grey matter time

[lusty grotto]

i mean you can chain pull

just dont drop 8 mobs on top of new ones

it fades over time anyway

[pallid quiver]

you can also just blast them all then instantly pull the next pack

[uneven mason]

There's only a few pulls where I'd be concerned tbh

Like when you have a lieutenant that tends to one shot people already in fort

Like starting area of rise would be a bad idea to bolster the constructs or sandgrabby

On that note, the big lady at the start of rise, is there a trick or is her shit unavoidable?

[lusty grotto]

the aoe?

pull both mini bosses

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

go into shield

keep mobs out

dodge orb, gg

[uneven mason]

[pallid quiver]

yeah standing in that shield gives you damage reduction as well

[lusty grotto]

we dont have to, but the party benefits from the shield

[pallid quiver]

so the general idea is to abuse the big man for free DR

So anyway, the DPS would rather jump off the edge than stand in the shield

[lusty grotto]

well it is what it is

[pallid quiver]

ain't my repair bill

[lusty grotto]

shield can be rough on ground aoes/orb overlaps but manageable

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

season 4 for keys?

[uneven mason]

They don't seem confident

[novel temple]

For the deios breath in rise, to leap away, should you do it preemptively or can you wait for the cast to go off

[uneven mason]

You can't wait

If the cast goes off, you get the dot

[dusky canopy]

Nah bro I’ve killed every boss every week since season start at least once on varying difficulties and I somehow still only have 38/50

[uneven mason]

This

[dusky canopy]

I submitted a ticket but no response yet

[blazing condor]

i took that headline as it would fix itself

but what do i know

also ive been mailed like 3 fyralath things today

[uneven mason]

A little

[blazing condor]

no bad luck for me

[uneven mason]

[dusky canopy]

Oh shit Fr!?

[blazing condor]

yeah idk whats going on

[toxic pewter]

Which helm enchant you guys think will use

I assume we can apply the dps one if we want right

[dusky canopy]

Good I better log in to a greater that was robbed from me last week by hearthing out

[jagged pier]

i think its locked to your spec

[toxic pewter]

They made a blue post saying everyone should be able to get it this week they increased the cap to 60 or something

[jagged pier]

but have no idea tbh

[toxic pewter]

Oh I figured the item changes based on what spec u in then can reapply the enchant

And then that enchant will be what is on the helm

Guess will find out

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I think you’re right will be locked to spec I cannot imagine they’re gonna allow dps to get shields and crap

[smoky moss]

Hi! I'm freshly dinged on my first warrior and I got my spark ready. What would be the best craft for me right now? I've done a dungeon and gotten a 447 weapon. but that's kinda it and I'm hoping for some guidance! 😛

[jagged pier]

thats how i look at it, might be wrong tho

[lusty grotto]

shield probably

[lusty grotto]

and i have no mails

[smoky moss]

Okey! I'll get that done

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

i have less

and no mails

and i cleared the raid everyweek

[strong forum]

36 gamer here

[lusty grotto]

dang

well apparently we will get a cap of 60 next week

so you might be able to make up for any lost ones

[chilly brook]

I’m assuming they said “should” because I’m assuming they took a look at saw that the lowest reported numbers weren’t lower than 30 and the 20 next week should get everyone to 50

[south rune]

weird i have 40 and i skipped a week in raid

[strong forum]

Theres catchup

[sick sentinel]

isnt the troll boss AD on like a 20 key tyranical like a huge wall for pugs

[blazing condor]

no

[sick sentinel]

im scared of some 8 minute of him cuz ppl cant do totems right

[blazing condor]

i mean the totem thing is disconnected from key level

its not gonna be harder to kill 3 totems at the same time on a 20 than on a 10

[sick sentinel]

higher key means they have more hp right

[blazing condor]

yes but you also have more damage

[uneven mason]

Right but they're we eak, the real boss is killing them at the same time

[blazing condor]

the wall part about the boss is the first tick of the noxious breath

[uneven mason]

Had a 16 where they couldn't kill them all at the same time 5x in a row

[sick sentinel]

have everyone agree on a % hp number, say, 20% for execute range and assing 1 dps to each totem, and when they reach that agreed upon hp, they look for another totem that has more than that agreed hp% until its that number, all 3 are low everyone dumpsters them

10-20% works pretty good, depending on key level

[blazing condor]

i mean you kinda just use your eyes

and make sure youre in line with the other totems

its everyones responsibility that they die at the same time

[plush tendon]

[sick sentinel]

Are there any good Prot Warrior streamers/youtubers?

[vocal flame]

In the FAQs

[blazing condor]

nom streaming pwarr

[ashen coral]

But are there youtubers ? Except crit who doesn't even main tank spec I found nobody unfortunately

[pallid quiver]

sense posts to youtube

the electric one does, too

Plka has more M+ and current vods up on his channel, Sense currently only has raid atm on the tube

https://www.youtube.com/@Plkatv
https://www.youtube.com/@SenseNurfed/videos

links to both if you can't find them somehow

[urban portal]

Critcakeeu

[echo egret]

Am I suppose to leap as far as possible for the charge from Larodar ?

I've been dying a bit

[strong forum]

you have SW for every charge

so you either just run out or leap out

and charge/leap back in

doesnt have to be stupid far away

[echo egret]

I didn't think I would have SW for every one but ok

[strong forum]

if you press your buttons you do have it for every

[sharp dagger]

My cloak & wrists are crafted. I have bis shield & volocross mythic weapon. Should I recraft Torc or something else?

[strong forum]

ring is a solid option

free 486 ring with bis stats + socket

you should look into getting a gholak tho, even normal raid ilvl gholak beats that volcoross weapon

[patent osprey]

The electric one

[sharp dagger]

Yeah unlucky drops so far on weap lol. Neck is only 447 piece I have left why i was thinking neck with flavor packet over a ring

[sick sentinel]

what happens in the case that you have a ring

crafted season 1 2 and you recraft it into season 3

to the socket

cuz i got fucked on my belt

lost my socke

[patent osprey]

The rings keep their socket. All others lose

Because rings are automaticaaly crafted with sockets

[sick sentinel]

its not im actual even mad

just, ya

[pallid quiver]

imagine being able to press your buttons without taking a 10 million damage melee to the face through block

[sick sentinel]

means i have to farm more keys for socket items and sparks if i want to make and use idol again

[echo egret]

just in it atm, and actually not, a few seconds short

[strong forum]

press shield slam harder

i believe in you

[blazing condor]

part of me wanna save my aspect crests for myth track upgrades

[sharp dagger]

This is probably worth recrafting a ring this week regardless then

[pallid quiver]

I'm normally like 30 seconds short because I have to stop pressing buttons for like 7-10 seconds so I don't rip aggro of the tank doing 20k DPS

it feels bad

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVcK94sy-Dk

how to properly use shield block

the guy in the red failed to execute his rotation correctly, starting the fight with a heroic leap, demo shout, and casting a revenge

instead the guy in the blue used taunt and shiedl block and shield slam, hes living, take notes fellow warriors

[sharp dagger]

I max ignore pain, demo shout, def stance, spell reflect, leap out hit shield wall as he's charging and then spam charge as he's running back to get out of the fire.

You can also hit him with impending victory right as he hits you if you time it right.

If all else fails Setup with your voker and priest friend and get a grip back lol

I dont know if reflect helps with the ground damage but I got nothing else to use it on really so I just use it there anyways since I'm standing there waiting to get Pounded on 😂

[echo egret]

👍

[trim bay]

qqqqe

[sand kettle]

are many people running prohpetic stonescales from iridikron? is it any good?

[blazing condor]

its probably the better cheat death trinkets we've had

[pallid quiver]

It's literally the singlest best trinket in its slot, unmatched by anything, or a literal waste, dogwater trink

There is no inbetween for it

[sand kettle]

8m cooldown is wild

[blazing condor]

ive used it and in many dgs it hasnt procced a single time

meaning it was just a wasted trinket

but if you do content where you reliably have to proc to not die then its a good item

[broken kite]

Rageheart is also great

[pallid quiver]

If cheat death enables you to do something you couldn't before, it's the only trinket that will give you that functionality. If it couldn't, you'd benefit from almost any other trinket more.

[round needle]

how do i keep agro

im losing agro sometimes

idk how to keep it

and if iuse my aoe agro

and my taunt

what then

[blazing condor]

aggro is just damage

so you gotta deal damage

we have good burst damage so getting aggro in the beginning of packs shouldnt be an issue

you got ravager / shield charge / thunder clap / revenge etc etc

[lusty grotto]

do dps

bigger dps = bigger agro

[waxen cradle]

Honestly in the scenario of bigger dps = bigger aggro, one hand truly feeds the other as they say as bigger dps = bigger aggro = equals more damage overall = things die faster and you profit

[blazing condor]

Worst case scenario you got three taunts available

And heroic throw generates high threat if theyre not in melee range

[steel ruin]

Hello guys quick question when should i use battle/def stance im currently just in def stance

[cinder nova]

Both.

Stay in Battle until you need Def to survive mechanics.

The idea is that you use Defensive Stance as an on-demand 20% mitigation tool.

Then leave it as soon as the peril is over.

[hardy ridge]

If ur taunts are on cd you can single target the mobs you dont have aggro of and shield slam em

[cinder nova]

Heroic Leap resets the CD on Taunt.

But yeah, damage should be what holds aggro.

If you're just sitting on GCDs you're not generating threat.

[steel ruin]

Right okay

thanks

[toxic pewter]

just dueled an impostor vulpera paladin

nothing worse than a fake vulpera that what I say

[waxen cradle]

did you win ?

[toxic pewter]

yeah of course

[waxen cradle]

ok next question did you make a hat out of it after

vulpera make great hats

[toxic pewter]

? I am a proud Vulpera I killed the fake Vulpera to show dominance of my people

yeah I wear a hat

[waxen cradle]

ah ok nice

[sick sentinel]

besides atal dazar whats other good tyranical keys

i dont know the legion xavious one well

everbloom im hearing can be rough

like for 18 20

[toxic pewter]

probably black rook hold

[sick sentinel]

maybe i can do atal, that's not the worst

[grim pilot]

brh, ad are the easiest keys to tank

[sick sentinel]

because of my experience with it through BFA

its my favorite and i find it generally easiest

wcm and atal

[toxic pewter]

yah wcm not bad at all either

[sick sentinel]

what is it the witches do that wipes the group

[hazy bronze]

A lot of damage

[sick sentinel]

its they reach 100 energy through sucesfull casts of bolts and then they enrage into casting basically emmsiary of the void shit i think right

so, whats the counter play, if this gets close to activating basically

i think what it is, is, just, we have to to force it to transtion to next witch

too much that can go wrong that boss

[toxic pewter]

even kicking a bunch on that boss can help

fight ally that gets mind controlled, move around during 2nd witch or just keep jumping, spread when circle goes around u

[warm plinth]

The casts are not what give them energy; they get energy by being active with the iris.

[flat stratus]

naisuu

[sick sentinel]

that fight is horrific on the bleed out affix

thats all i remember

its actually horrifc

like its, the worst combo possible

[warm plinth]

The fight is a DPS race. The first race is to 50% on each witch, the 2nd is before they reach max energy

[sick sentinel]

its also really hard too becuase it virtually requires immune clases DONT have immune for that fight

cuz otherwise they random MC insta immune 10 seconds

happens twice, cuz probably 2 cycles of mc's, -20 seconds

best yet, during lust

[grizzled nova]

oh boy echoed ephemera should work next week

the cap is just going to 60 instead of 50

[lusty grotto]

yeah the weekly cap

not the quest

its so you catch up

[sick sentinel]

group couldnt do the totems healer leaves

its happening again.....

i hate atal so much...

[strong forum]

I hate fall 2nd boss

I struggle healing that shit

[chilly brook]

That the time boi with quadrants?

[pallid quiver]

Should be, yeah

If you're struggling healing it, I wager you have DPS standing in the light zones just by default, since you lose the dr against the passive dot, but I also haven't healed this season at all

[strong forum]

The dot also ticks 3x faster in the fast zone

But yeah idk I struggle with it

Keeping people topped when the circles go out

[grim pilot]

yeah

same

that boss is the silent killer

[strong forum]

Have to heal through the dot of the debuff + top entire group

[grim pilot]

when I first went to heal that in +17 on wed I was like why does it do this much fucking damage

[strong forum]

Whilst moving between zones

[chilly brook]

Just plant?

[grim pilot]

on people with 470 ilv

[chilly brook]

Idk

I no heal

[grim pilot]

today I had a guy die to that in +20 because he received 0 heals from me but then I checked and all his defensives were intact so I didnt feel bad

[strong forum]

Gotta maintain like 150k hps on that piece of shit

[chilly brook]

But standing in the wrong zone for a couple seconds can’t be that bad

[grim pilot]

also triads are like

for some reason

turbo fucking hard lol

[strong forum]

Witches?

[grim pilot]

yeah

only boss I tried on 20 and just couldn't outheal it

[chilly brook]

People don’t kick

[grim pilot]

fucking couldn't

[strong forum]

2nd witch does 50% healing Dr + that debuff

[grim pilot]

then again I'm 460 still but

[strong forum]

3rd witch does reflect dmg

[grim pilot]

skill issue

yeah well

[strong forum]

I managed to heal it with 450 on a 20

[grim pilot]

I dont usually get to 3rd witch

[strong forum]

[grim pilot]

I'm so bad man this shit is so new to me

I was bored on tuesday

so I made disc priest

did most of the portals by friday

[strong forum]

Disc...

[grim pilot]

and I suck so bad

I feel so carried

by pugs

[strong forum]

You chose the hardest fucking healer

[grim pilot]

disc is hardest?

[strong forum]

Yes

[grim pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

hpala felt like

300 times harder in s2

[strong forum]

What

[grim pilot]

when I did a total of 3 keys on it

yeah man

[strong forum]

Hpal is just press wings and do dmg lol

And voila

[grim pilot]

disc is just put atonement and smite

brr

[strong forum]

Group topped

[grim pilot]

those are the only 2 healers I have tried

and disc feels much more natural

I felt like disc because I remember biz explaining on his stream once "you put shield on this guy, put renew here and there and just spam smite"

and shit actually is that

[strong forum]

I refuse to invite fotm discs

Cuz none of them can do anything

They just die

[flat stratus]

feelsgood

[grim pilot]

I haven't applied to a single key this season

as disc

I literally just spam my own key

I think I did 6 tot's by now

[pallid quiver]

I have so much concern whenever I'm playing with people and they go "YO ITS A DISC EZ KEY LMAO"

when i have not cleared a single key with a pug disc priest

Not timed, cleared

[grim pilot]

I also dont apply to keys on my war but thats because nobody normal will invite me to 26

hell, I'm even getting declined to 22

[strong forum]

Yeah checks out luerce

All discs we pugged cuz I don't have friends who play healers

Fucking sucked

Massively

[pallid quiver]

I actually just won't pug fotm healers no matter the spec, tbh

[grim pilot]

maybe you played with me

half the time I'm just like

[strong forum]

Like they did maybe 10k dps

[pallid quiver]

I think this entire xpac, I've only cleared a single key in S1 with a fotm healer

[grim pilot]

where the fuck is this damage coming from

fucking +20 people 480 geared

[strong forum]

30k hps in pressure situations

Cuz they stand in dumb shit

I pugged like 4 keys 2 hours ago

Full pug

Had a 450 prot pal in fall 18

Who did 27k St dps

[grim pilot]

yeah lol I also had

some guy like 470??

[strong forum]

40% of my healing went into him

[grim pilot]

fuck, 475

[strong forum]

Hard spammed his ass

[grim pilot]

he did 50k overall dps

I was fury

[strong forum]

We couldn't get past 2nd boss

[grim pilot]

I kept stealing aggro 24/7

[strong forum]

Cuz I had to spam heal the tank

[grim pilot]

I tanked a fucking anomaly for its whole duration because he couldn't take it back

[strong forum]

I had that in pug normal raidc

Tanks died to flying on tindral

[grim pilot]

like dude

[strong forum]

So hpal and enha shaman tanked the boss

Xddd

[grim pilot]

I had no idea what I'm pressing in season 1

and I was doing more dps than that

with 415 ilv

[strong forum]

[grim pilot]

how are u struggling to do 60k overall with 475

[strong forum]

Had a 465 havoc

Do 110k overall

🙂

478 MM, 120k overall

[grim pilot]

speaking of havocs we had a wipe today in fall

[pallid quiver]

Still higher ST + occassional cleave that I had from a pally co tank in raid the other day

[grim pilot]

idk I could swear ret was in light, I still am 100% sure he was

I dispeled him

2 guys died, we wiped

and havoc started flaming

[pallid quiver]

I think he cast it was... 7 avenger's shields? The entirety of the Tindral fight

[grim pilot]

fucking 3k fotm hardstuck reroller

that just spams fel rush and think he's good

[strong forum]

Luckily you don't need a tank for tindral

Outside of mythic

[grim pilot]

isnt shroom a mechanic

idk that boss

from tanks perspective

[strong forum]

Sure but every class can live that

[pallid quiver]

You can eat a shroom as dps ez

[strong forum]

Just don't double soak

And you're Gucci

His tank mechanic you can just outheal

[pallid quiver]

The only issue was that I was effectively the only tank

28 stacks hurts a lot

[strong forum]

Bdk basically solo tanks mythic tindral btw

Cuz he barely auto attacks

Spams infinite mechanics

[grim pilot]

doesnt bdk solo tank everything and ppal is there to just off heal

[strong forum]

Nah

Only tindral

Tindral the only fight where prot pal is legit just there for shrooms

[pallid quiver]

Bosses like Smold would munch a BDK if he tried to take two soaks

[teal mural]

any tips for Oakheart in Darkheart ???

[grim pilot]

idk I could swear that is what was on fyrakk, but then again I didnt really pay much attention to rwf

[uneven mason]

can confirm, seen it happen

[uneven mason]

My name

[pallid quiver]

Leap breath, rotate defensives, use SR/IV every grip

[strong forum]

Hold demo shout for grip aswell

And you Gucci

Sr/iv/demo for every grip

Sw for every other

[pallid quiver]

i'll hold demo for when im scared, thanks

[strong forum]

Like a plush bear

Hold it tight

[pallid quiver]

Accurate response to how it feels when you actually need to hold demo for ouchie go bye bye

I don't think I'll ever hit a key where tree scares me, though, since the DPS I know and pugs get slaughtered in 21s-22s

[teal mural]

thank you guys, and SR IV mean ? i dont play in english

[grim pilot]

spell reflect, impending victory

impending victory is your 30% heal

[sick sentinel]

Don't enjoy melee range for impending but it makes sense

[long tulip]

Spell reflect works on the grip for tree boss? TIL

[grim pilot]

It does as a mitigation tool, yes

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto did I do better dad?

[pallid olive]

You can’t reflect it but you get the DR

[lusty grotto]

[novel temple]

This should be pinned.

[sacred field]

does anyone know is rezan gleaming proc with tier set?

[lusty grotto]

wno tier says what it applies to

[sacred field]

hmm thanks

[novel temple]

Try a mistweaver. Which btw is my alt that’s more geared than my prot war now 😘😭

[novel temple]

So I haven’t picked my vault yet since none of the items seemed like an upgrade

But the waycrest ring has a socket and it’s +160 dps

[pallid quiver]

You're +160 dps

Gottem

[novel temple]

But I feel like I could just get a better ring by running more m+

Like it’s weird

Would it be better to just get more crests or hell, even a potential socket for a different piece of gear?

[lusty grotto]

idk, hard to say without knowing your vault

[novel temple]

Oh, should I just link my raid bots with the sim info in it?

[lusty grotto]

no

you should link your vault

cause it couldn't have been as bad as mine

and even i didnt go for socket

[soft plume]

do we prefer leech or speed

[lusty grotto]

if you had to pick between the 2? leech

but tertiaries are never worth any ilvls

[jagged gust]

You tell me

[maiden ravine]

just how bad is an 18 rise this week?

[ionic fern]

Not bad at all.

This week has been pretty chill.

[light dune]

Is your ilvl a prank

[ionic fern]

Probably a separate "Speed set".

Used to be a thing way back when you could swap gear in dungeons to get from pack to pack faster.

[woven torrent]

Can still use it to farm old tmogs

[teal swift]

Chill week. Hit buttons on deios. Don't take everything to the face and cry for healing

[maiden ravine]

only a 462 warrior cause I don't super grind keys

[teal swift]

That's reasonable

You should breeze through

If you're inexperienced check a log or two for deios to see cooldown usage

But the only real pain point for most people other than last boss is mortal wounds on battlefield and warrior gets to just Yeet with IP and shieldblock

[maiden ravine]

Got invited to an 18 WM, healer was like "eww no" and leader removed, oh well

[teal swift]

Lmao

Prot Warrior actually slaps

Like sure it's not a vdh or ppal

But it's really solid 3rd choice

[maiden ravine]

This is an new main that I'm swapping to, they only saw a 1k current rating on this char

[teal swift]

Lmao

[maiden ravine]

My main is over 2k this season and my last season rating was 2700

[teal swift]

People usually kick me because of my pwar name

"Slimegirl"

[maiden ravine]

"Do you know this dungeon?"

Bruh, I lived BfA

I have the ptsd

[teal swift]

I'd be like, healer can you actually do witches?

[restive scroll]

Clearly, especially with a prot war that reflects

People are just stupid, nothing new, but still anoying

[pallid quiver]

Don't underestimate the power of a fotm Disc Priest

They can fail to heal through anything

[teal swift]

Fact

[ionic fern]

FOTM anything can fail.

"Class carry me plz".

[light dune]

I know a guy that swaps characters based on that week's DPS rankings

Mf is very bad at world of warcraft

[median tulip]

I have a Holy Priest alt. The number of people who try to insist on me changing to Disc is darkly hilarious.

I have no fkn clue how to play Disc.

[median tulip]

This is why I like to invite non-Meta DPS. Anyone who is playing Surv or WW in this Meta is probably a god at his spec.

[ionic fern]

Hunter is a bad example tho.
BM is so braindead that anyone can play it.

😂

And WW just dies to everything at any meaningful key level.

We have a solid WW in the guild, but when ever we do higher keys he's like "Jep, i'm dying here".

And just gets clapped.

[ionic fern]

I'm surprised people inspect you.

I invited a Evoker to the party thinking it's a Augmentation, just to notice when we were half way through the key that it's Devastation.

[median tulip]

The thing I love about your average BM hunter is how they play the most mobile ranged spec, and then just stand there immobile and get hit by every mechanic anyway.

I had one in WCM just stand still on the second witch.

Mind you, the number of every kind of DPS I've seen just keep throwing abilities into the same witch the whole fight is astounding

[median tulip]

Yeah, they could really do with some Kung Fu dodge defensive.

[warm plinth]

Probably dodged a bullet lol

[maiden ravine]

18 EB, second boss is gonna suck

[blazing condor]

Boss felt better this week

Was a charge i only had reflect for and didnt take that much dmg

[trim bay]

guys question first boss rise

can we use DH tech with werynstone and leap back

will that work

[ionic fern]

What is that "DH tech"?

"Werynstone"?

[blazing condor]

Think he mean the strat where you jump off the platform to not take damage

[maiden ravine]

wiped twice on second boss, got it with lust

[ionic fern]

But..it does no damage.

[blazing condor]

Yep but cool tech i guess

Dh did it in like a 28 or smth

[trim bay]

nah it turns boss into target dummy

does no abilities

[blazing condor]

Tip is to lust first pull of the dungeon and then it’ll be up for 2nd boss in the future

[ionic fern]

I thought that boss already was a target dummy?

Does it just bug it out or what?

If you give such vague explanations we can't really say if you can do it with a warrior as well or not.

[blazing condor]

Idk what it does exactly i just heard yesterday you could leap out of the arena during an ability to avoid damage

[maiden ravine]

We tried to but for whatever reason lust got saved for first boss

[blazing condor]

Unlucky

[ionic fern]

That's why you micromanage puggs.

"WE LUST FIRST PULL"

"LUST THIS"

"PRIEST WHY YOU PI'ING THE AUGMENTATION??"

Etc.

[maiden ravine]

Eh, some groups aren't great for that. Lock tried to micromanage this run and all it did was annoy the healer.

[woven torrent]

yes, if you dodge his first tank buster

tyr will be perma stuck at 25% energy

and he will only continue to melee

[ionic fern]

"dodge" as in...?

Just leap away?

[woven torrent]

you know where you come up to the main platform where tyr is?

[maiden ravine]

bleh, 4 dungeons, get a duplicate 2h, which fine, fury can use it, but just wanted something interesting

[woven torrent]

DHs can double jump back on the slope

behind the wall that's keeping it "locked" during the fight

and then it doesn't hit them

i can show u a vid real quick

[ionic fern]

Ah, so it's just a bug they are abusing.

[woven torrent]

ye

[ionic fern]

Filthy DH's.

Tank it like a real man.

[woven torrent]

https://youtu.be/BipONQSzHVc?t=234

timestamped it

[maiden ravine]

I suppose my first timed 18 this season being tanking a tyrannical EB should mean most of the rest is easier

[ionic fern]

[woven torrent]

maybe warriors can do this is a priest takes them back?

or evoker

[ionic fern]

Evoker probably.

[woven torrent]

heroic leap might say there is no path available tho

oh alright

here is your answer @trim bay

[trim bay]

yea if u jump off u die and body also spawns at the edge

can get br

[cold ravine]

How much should we be looking at sims? It’s telling me to re-gem to mastery/vers but am only at 6.3k haste. I know it doesn’t factor in survivability but was still a bit surprised by this.

[ionic fern]

What talents you running?

What type of SIM you running?

[cold ravine]

Standard raid single target on standard Patchwerk 5min sim

[ionic fern]

Link me the sim, i'm actually interested to see stat distributions etc.

[cold ravine]

Will re-run later - now at work!

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay.

[median tulip]

How much Mastery and Vers do you have, and are you using some kind of Haste proc trinkets?

[ionic fern]

Regardless, i personally probably wouldn't re-gem, unless it was a significant increase in DPS.
It does sound like you are very heavy for haste/crit somehow and probably low on mastery/vers.

[cold ravine]

Yeah I have the sandglass from Fall so it could be that

[cold ravine]

I’ll have a proper look again later, thanks

[median tulip]

Yeah that'll tend to devalue high base Haste rating, as the trinket effect will push well into noticeable diminishing returns territory

[trim bay]

@ionic fern sorry I was alt tabbing doing the key. The video I have seen was linked. It just stops all mechanics. It worked if I cast the stone and jumped off I could get rescued or if you use died you can get BR. Didnt see the potion of gust tech but the other shit worked fine

[frail ibex]

So if my vault is god tier tomorrow and a Tainted rageheart drops vs Scale what am I taking?

[hardy snow]

rageheart

[warm plinth]

I love how quickly people jump on these "techs" when there's no shot in hell they survive longer than a day or two.

[ionic fern]

Gotta abuse it and hope your sweet-sweet r.io score won't be taken away.

[blazing condor]

also most ppl wont need to even dabble in these kind of strats to begin with

[hardy snow]

imagine people trying to do such strat in their weekly +18 on fortified next week

[jagged pier]

ppl see high key strat

i must do that for my key

where i can press w

and 3 chest still

[hot gust]

Been watching some of critcake's prot POVs and noticed that they rarely use Execute on keys, what's the reasoning behind that? Revenge just do more damage?

[hardy snow]

not directly, but it have better efficient per rage point spent for both SS resets and Fervid procs

[jagged pier]

revenge does more damage on 2 + targets

thats why

[hot gust]

even on ST he doesn't press it

[hot gust]

I see, makes sense

[jagged pier]

its not that high a prio even in execute phase

u press it when u have dead globals in ST

[warm plinth]

Revenge and Execute have the same rage efficiency and the same tier set proc chance though?

[lament musk]

i'm still prot noob

i just forget exe exists most of the time

[warm plinth]

You're rarely fighting just 1 target in M+ so it's pretty easy to just get in the habit of pressing revenge

[hardy snow]

Execute have same chance for procs, but can cost up to 40 instead of 20 rage

[hardy snow]

Blizzard forgot too

[sick sentinel]

we were this close to getting boss into second phase

few milliseconds later

[blazing condor]

its not a very idiot-proof boss as it turns out

[sick sentinel]

that entire dungeon is idiot proof on any kind of challenging lvl tyranical key

you basically cannot die and have very little room for fuck up

[blazing condor]

its an easy dungeon

[sick sentinel]

it CAN be an easy dungeon

[blazing condor]

i think only once i failed totems on volkal this season, and it was on like a 5 the first day

[sick sentinel]

thats like saying, ford f150 is the best truck because its easy and so you shouldnt crash

and then it crashes just as much or as hard as any other truck with bad handling of your vehicle or other vehicles on the road

[blazing condor]

idk maybe its just NA players

ive never had issues with pugs fuckin up totems

[sick sentinel]

we had a great number of adds on rezan as well compared to what i would have liked

1-2 on that fight i dont mind, 4 + like this is clown fiesta

[warm plinth]

I would be tilted if there were that many adds on that fight

[blazing condor]

dps pad pog

[opaque quest]

Ye but dps dont weave in aoe on bosses they either do full aoe or full st like idiots kekw

[blazing condor]

had a dude in DHT who would spend the first 10 seconds of the 3rd boss running around cracking eggs

to get more dragons for his dmg

[woven torrent]

i mean thats what u should do as a tank too

if they dont bother u

during the winds

some classes get more resources by hitting more targets

[blazing condor]

yeah i get that

[woven torrent]

frost mage for example resets 2 big cds too

[blazing condor]

but not hitting the boss at all just running around for 20 secs

is a bit weird

[woven torrent]

oh lmao

[warm plinth]

If I thought I could trust pugs to ACTUALLY funnel and not just pad on the dragons, I would do that

But no shot they don't just go full pad mode

[blazing condor]

im just doing baby keys anyway

tryna get some portals

[ionic fern]

I did that for our ele shammy to Flame shock for more st funnel,but the bm just started multishot cleaving them.

[blazing condor]

[warm plinth]

which is kinda stupid since BM actually does get funnel lol

but not from multi-shot

[blazing condor]

since im not pushing any keys rn im just trying to minimize risk for any key i do

slow and steady +2s the key anyway

[woven torrent]

true enough

[blazing condor]

got to Xavius with 10 min left

10 min over time and he's still not dead

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[blazing condor]

easy key disband guess too hard

[median tulip]

Ooof. TBH Xavius is a bit of a noob trap; you eventually get new players primed that "purple circle = bad" and then suddenly there's one they have to stay in

[lusty grotto]

morning

[median tulip]

Morning Nimchip

[lusty grotto]

and yes that was the common thought in legion

[median tulip]

Vol'kal is another one that's designed to trip new players up

[blazing condor]

the purple circles were actually fine

ppl just died to dumb stuff combined with not having defensives for prey on weak

stuck on storming into big circle etc

[lusty grotto]

after a bit yes

but it was a noob trap at the start

[median tulip]

It'll never not be funny watching DHs Fel Rush on Xavius though.

Storming is a pain on any boss with positional requirements

[trim bay]

There is a cheese spot you position boss

[dull zodiac]

do these numbers seem right

[trim bay]

Don't have to move for anything back left corner as you drip down let me find it

[dull zodiac]

its a 18 TOTT

no ozumatdmg amp included obv

im the one at 153k

[trim bay]

20 EB unsure if good but looks good

[dull zodiac]

eh aug and 2 damage amps tho

[trim bay]

Yea

[dull zodiac]

but ye good

[trim bay]

But still on the surface

Before diving into it

[dull zodiac]

my dmg spread is this

and i wonder

if i should be doing more revenge

thats the 155K thrones key

or does revenge just not hit that hard

[trim bay]

I'll check mine when I log in. But my revenge DMG has dropped because I'm shit at tier. Ss prio for fervid bite. But in certain I'm just bad

Fixate way to hard on that

[woven torrent]

looks kinda the same for me

[dull zodiac]

noice

[woven torrent]

but fervids closer to thunder

[median tulip]

With this season's tier you should be using fewer Revenges because you're getting TClap resets which take their place

[woven torrent]

especially this week cus of tyrannical

[dull zodiac]

@median tulip ye i slam SS and clap with big prio, dump rage on revenge and if i cant dump all rage fast enough i IP it

havent played too much prot

but it feels pretty good

execute is something i tend to forget if theres strictly 1 target

i try to but dont always remember

💀

[regal matrix]

hi, why is barbaric training not used at all?

[lusty grotto]

cause we barely revenge

[median tulip]

High Rage cost for the effectiveness

[lusty grotto]

and when we do we dont want it for rage use

we want it to get a reset

[median tulip]

Also BT doesn't increase the chance of a Fervid proc (set bonus)

[uneven mason]

Because it's an overall loss

[ionic fern]

What dungeon is that?

[dull zodiac]

Throne

[ionic fern]

Why is your tc higher than ss

[lusty grotto]

i was gonna ask that

[dull zodiac]

I dont know I did ask

does this seem right

[ionic fern]

That was my throne 23.

[lusty grotto]

well it doesnt look right

but you cant answer a question with a question

[ionic fern]

What key level was yours? Is it still Tyrannical?

[dull zodiac]

only a 17

[ionic fern]

Or are you NA and already Fort?

[lusty grotto]

nah NA still has 3 hours to go

[ionic fern]

Ah,okay. Well,lower key levels can push TC ahead if you do big pulls and bosses die fairly fast.

Generally speaking SS should be your #1 ability.

[dull zodiac]

pulled really big ye

both corridors in 1 pull

[ionic fern]

Well,that's rrgular

[dull zodiac]

and the bosses did melt fast

[ionic fern]

I did the same.

[dull zodiac]

ok ill try to make sure i get every single SS, altho i dont think i missed that many

[ionic fern]

But if bosses die fast then your SS value is obviously lower. Try to use SS on CD

Followed by TC.

[dull zodiac]

what about the execute thingie

is it a big deal on bosses

[lusty grotto]

sure

but only replaces revenge

so

your SS and TC should still be higher

[dull zodiac]

TC higher?

[lusty grotto]

during execute phase

[dull zodiac]

oh

like that

ok

is corrupting ragea big gain?

[lusty grotto]

no

[ionic fern]

I'm horrible with Execute usage,ngl.

[lusty grotto]

there was no again

[dull zodiac]

;p

[lusty grotto]

cause it hasnt been pretty much

[wise solstice]

yo, need to tank for my guild tonight on smolderon and im looking at some talents. do you put two talent points into overwhelming rage or only 1? and if so, where would you take that talent point from to get a 2nd point?

[lusty grotto]

0

look at pins

dont pick overwhelming rage

[jagged pier]

nim

u should read the talent trees

[blazing condor]

pins got 2 points in overwhelming rage

[jagged pier]

before u make statments about them

[wise solstice]

:peepostudy:

[lusty grotto]

well 🤷

[wise solstice]

ah hell naw

[lusty grotto]

i cant remember ST builds lol

[wise solstice]

npnp

so 2 points?

[blazing condor]

ye

[wise solstice]

cheers

[blazing condor]

gl gamer

[wise solstice]

🫡

[uneven mason]

Arms warrior making hot takes on prot builds

Tisk tisk @lusty grotto

[blazing condor]

i like that ppl in here are just renamed to answers to commonly asked questions

yellow names on paid vacation rn

[uneven mason]

Jakey is here

Just sparing people from the yellow name toxicity

[blazing condor]

🙏

[jagged pier]

Tru

its also easier to ping the name than answer the question for the 100th time

[warm plinth]

[uneven mason]

[median tulip]

the Raid build in the pins has Honed Reflexes, and I'm not entirely sure why

[lusty grotto]

that one at the very least has been in every season's ST builds

[warm plinth]

Probably just the only non-zero dps option to replace something needless like intim shout

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i just couldnt remember OR at all

[vocal flame]

Guys I can finally uninstall now

[warm plinth]

Big pog

Congrats dude

[vocal flame]

Ty! Took years and years but finally got it!

[toxic pewter]

i dont see anything

[warm plinth]

Invincible is not the same thing as invisible sir

[median tulip]

Congrats

[blazing condor]

found a new way to wipe my group - accidentally disabled all my addons mid fight and had a 20 sec reload

the pop up came up just where i pressed lol

[warm plinth]

What pop up 👀

[blazing condor]

"your addons are having errors - disable or ignore"

[lusty tiger]

i think theres a console setting to turn those popups off

[blazing condor]

idk whats causing it all of usdden

[regal matrix]

is the 350% increased shockwave damage troll?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lusty tiger]

ya

[regal matrix]

How much does it need to be for it to be taken?

[lusty tiger]

10,000%

probably ok for like 11s and lower because a pack dies in 10 seconds but for actual keys it is bad

[lusty grotto]

i thought you were looking for ST builds?

[regal matrix]

Any key in which you take piercing howl or berserker shout?

[lusty tiger]

no

[blazing condor]

nop

[lusty grotto]

bro

look

at th

the

pins

[lusty tiger]

he might just want the inside scoop from more experienced prots in case any niche talents find use

[regal matrix]

Im actually asking about non used talents

[lusty grotto]

why

[lusty tiger]

this is the protwar discord, you come here too talk protwar

[lusty grotto]

yes jeree

ive been around long enough

to know why im asking

cause i know the kind of people

[regal matrix]

Oh, and what about intervene? One thing I really dislike about the new talents is that you pretty much lost every weird ability

[lusty tiger]

i dont think there are any uses this szn... maybe in a fort throne it could find a use

i miss baseline intervene too

[blazing condor]

i miss berserker rage and intervene

and banner

[lusty tiger]

my beloved

[lusty grotto]

there are intervene uses

[regal matrix]

same (not like I played prot DF, but i will now)

[regal matrix]

But what do you sacrifice for it?

[summer fulcrum]

Yo is Prot Warrior same ish level of skill as bear? Would a bear enjoyer be able to move into warrior easy?

[lusty tiger]

not the same

[lusty grotto]

bear is easier

[summer fulcrum]

I assume harder?

Ye

[regal matrix]

prot warr should be more punishing if u fail spell reflects/block?

[lusty tiger]

that is one facet of it

[summer fulcrum]

Does it have similar ish defensives as bear?

[lusty tiger]

no

the opposite even

[summer fulcrum]

😱

[lusty grotto]

eh

depends

bear's defensives just apply to everything

3 of ours do (wall, dstance, demo)

1 only to magic (sr)

[lusty tiger]

our wall is also 1min cd with a proper rotation

and theres also the tastefully chosen spellblock

[lusty grotto]

wall is similar to surv instincts but yea it has heavy cdr

[regal matrix]

wait now we have dstance

is the go to for decent level keys?

[lusty tiger]

it is the goto for anything you need to mitigate

[regal matrix]

so you constantly change?

[lusty tiger]

no

[summer fulcrum]

What is the rotation like? I guess more buttons to presssss?

[lusty tiger]

you change when you need to mitigate

[regal matrix]

Thats what i mean with constantly

[lusty grotto]

its a lot more engaging that spamming raze

yes

[lusty tiger]

SS>button that resets SS | ip at 80 rage

[summer fulcrum]

Hmm I guess I just gotta play it and see what happens 😄 thanks 🙂

[vocal flame]

ip at 80? 😮

[lusty tiger]

make sure you're logging

if you want help

[blazing condor]

think i have 30 abilities bound rn

[lusty tiger]

ip whenever you want, but 80 is safe

[lusty grotto]

preferably anywhere where you'll be left with 30 rage

so 60

is the bare min

[summer fulcrum]

Trying to find my “forever” character I liked bear a lot but kinda got bored :/

[lusty tiger]

yea just ensure you will be able to revenge 2x

incase you dont reset SS with one revenge

then tc will be up

if u revenge 2x with no reset

[lusty grotto]

lol

[toxic pewter]

Only the most powerful of individuals have wat it take to pick up the shield

[regal matrix]

bear is too simple

[lusty tiger]

ture, real, and based

[toxic pewter]

i always turn away prospective prot warr 3 times and if they come back 4th time they are ready

so I say to you, you are not ready

go play a prot paladin or something

go stand in a circle

[blazing condor]

[lusty tiger]

ppal is kinda hard in the sense that to get value you have to have a really clean rotation

[toxic pewter]

yes go try one of those

[regal matrix]

Not really tbh

[lusty tiger]

yes really tbh

if youre playing under 70cpm your healer has to heal you

[summer fulcrum]

Pala seems fun because of all the “I got u bro” buttons xd

[toxic pewter]

right

[uneven mason]

So, literally press whatever lights up

[lusty tiger]

i mean in classic mayb

[toxic pewter]

I think you really want to play a paladin

[vocal flame]

lol

[lusty tiger]

really ppal is a judgement spammer

[toxic pewter]

only one way to find out

[regal matrix]

legit

[uneven mason]

Classic requires seal twisting for optimal play, 1000% more complex than retail pal

[lusty tiger]

yea but at 30cpm

[uneven mason]

K

[lusty tiger]

it is easy but you have to get really high global value, esp since you dont really need melee range for resource gen

[toxic pewter]

maybe vdh is what you want

[regal matrix]

i wouldnt recommend vdh to someone coming from bear

[toxic pewter]

?

[dusk cloak]

I've had a blast playingVDH

The damage is also dumb

[summer fulcrum]

I refuse.

[toxic pewter]

Ok then go play a bdk or vdh

[summer fulcrum]

Too hard xd

[regal matrix]

bdk is pretty easy once you get the basics

[toxic pewter]

if u want to be one of us u must first master all other tanks

even 'hard' ones

[summer fulcrum]

[toxic pewter]

for prot warr is hardest and most strong of all tank