#protection
strong forum
just sim at those levels
but around there is where you just want to hard stop cuz not as efficient anymore
lusty grotto
orchid mural
can druids shapeshift to remove roots DHT 2nd boss?
strong forum
ofc
same as we can use avatar to get out of it
same as pally can use freedom to run through them to clear them
blazing condor
im still not used to the strats for that boss in terms of ads
id imagine its better to clear as many as poss before grip
blazing condor
depends a lot on dungeon
zinc root
Rough estimate ? Is there a way to check what other ppl are getting
urban portal
not really no
blazing condor
you can see on warcraft logs what ppl do
but then you see the "best" ppl
so its not really representative
urban portal
asking what dps you should get at 470 ilevel is like asking how tall you should be at 20 years old
blazing condor
idk i feel like 100k+ is fine
strong forum
depends on keylevel aswell
the higher you go the higher your overall will be
id say tho around 140k
in like Atal/wcm is good
and higher in other keys
strong forum
glad i could help
unkempt rover
well,
trim bay
sound like my wife
strong forum
~1min
strong forum
then you can just send TR
you have it every 35sec
as pwar
ah nvm
4pc was the CDR
strong forum
you can still just send on CD
its only 1min CD
if you send on pull you will have it back for dmg amp
tawny bane
Hey guys, I have only started playing warrior this season, think I'm doing alright atm but is there anything any of you can see here that I'm doing wrong rotation wise? I did 111k overall in a 20 WM, no deaths, ++ed it and were like 40 seconds off +++. I'm running Lariat + Flourishing Helm instead off offensive embellishments so that's why they aren't on there (dw about that I like what I've got), noticing Shadowflame Wreathe does almost no dmg, I read that's the best enchant from Method/Icy Veins/Wowhead (somewhere) is that still the case they just all suck? I'm taking battering ram now too after the advice earlier.
strong forum
your TR dmg looks awfully low
same as revenge
thats my dmg breakdown from 148k dps in WCM
strong forum
Hey guys, I have only started playing warrior this season, think I'm doing alrig...
wafting devotion is the best enchant in ST and aoe
sick sentinel
even when i have tons of haste?
strong forum
judging from this i think youre also sending alot of Outbursts on Thunderclap or youre not pressing Shield Slam often enough
yes Yogi
sick sentinel
i have absurd amount of haste
strong forum
i have 6800 haste and sim still says wafting
sick sentinel
do have haste trinket but i do have i want to say its 7200
strong forum
just sim it
sick sentinel
like, i got stupidly too much haste
tawny bane
I'm doing Ignore Pain (macroed with Shield Slam) and then TC basically. I should do less ignore pain and more dmg abilities?
sick sentinel
7022
strong forum
you should still find the need to press revenge however
you also need to press revenge to apply deep wounds in aoe atleast once or twice
tawny bane
No I didn't log it. Okay thanks I'll try using revenge more I don't really use atm
tawny bane
Me?
sick sentinel
yeah i found it very weird at first that someone can look up your logs at will
frosty mango
Yes you can the log shows you pretty much everything
sick sentinel
just a pet peeve i have with wow, part of the bigger overall problem
strong forum
okay to sum up a few things:
- you waste too much rage ~8% means you overcap rage by not spending it on IP often enough
- you dont press avatar on cooldown
- you dont press thunderous roar on cooldown
- you dont press ravager on cooldown
- you played show of force instead of battering ram
tawny bane
Is this definitely me? Magtheridon server? I didn't think I did BRH today lol
strong forum
Wow I haven’t used rend in my rotation ever
you dont need to use rend manually
thunderclap automatically applies rend
zinc root
Oh ok was gunna say
tawny bane
Oh yeah that was before I switched to battering ram, I done that now
strong forum
good, thats a massive increase in dps especially on bosses
but yeah, you generally underuse your CDs
tawny bane
Cos I thought TR with the 4 set gives a defense boost? So I save it a lot for when it gets hairy. But okay I'll send them on CD
tawny bane
Okay when you put it that way it doesn't seem like much at all 😄 Okay I'll give another a go sending them on CD. Thank you!
lusty grotto
Hey guys, I have only started playing warrior this season, think I'm doing alrig...
why are you running those embelishments if you dont mind me asking
strong forum
should also start playing stormbolt instead of pain and gain/intervene
sinful stone
how do you look up rage overcap on logs?
strong forum
resources -> rage
1233 of 14958 wasted
thats almost an entire avatar
or 5 outbursts
now that i mention it, you should look into using outburst primarily on shield slam, you use it more often on thunderclap than you should SJ
the ratio should be roughly 4-1
zinc root
in a everbloom +16 overall dps i got 91k. on last fight yalnu i got 154k. is that normal dmg or pretty low?
strong forum
depends on your ilvl
tawny bane
why are you running those embelishments if you dont mind me asking
The helm does several million shielding and normally blizzard buff the newer embellishments as the season goes on. On Mythic Sark sporecloak was pog so I'm guessing the helm will probably be pog l8r on too (hopefully)
lusty grotto
uhh
strong forum
sorry to inform you SJ, but that helmet is utter dogshit
lusty grotto
yup
tawny bane
Sorry what's outburst?
strong forum
2.4k hps
lusty grotto
also sporecloak was NOT pretty pog in sark, you could spell block everything
strong forum
dull zodiac
Are we one of the highest dps tanks rn
strong forum
yup
tawny bane
also sporecloak was NOT pretty pog in sark, you could spell block everything
oh I was playing warlock on him sorry, probably wasn't for tank just meant generically
tawny bane
Okay I will try and track this more, haven't paid any attention to it
zinc root
depends on your ilvl
470
tawny bane
Thanks!
strong forum
sounds about right ye
dull zodiac
strong forum
damn your DPS were afk huh
chilly brook
Average EB key
dull zodiac
Meh
frosty mango
Dunno that resto weavin
dull zodiac
Theyre on alts
strong forum
ig
sinful stone
how did you look up block % and the fact he used avatar too little?
lusty grotto
2 damage amps so sure
sinful stone
are you just going by avatar buff uptime %?
lusty grotto
damage taken, hover your mouse over melee hits
chilly brook
2 damage amps so sure
Just basing it off my numbers comparatively to other keys
strong forum
how did you look up block % and the fact he used avatar too little?
casts breakdown for avatar
and block % go to dmg taken, hover over hits coloumn for melee
sinful stone
thx
strong forum
in general avatar uptime should be roughly 60% in a key
around that number, obv depending on downtime a bit lower
ravager cpm should be around 0.7 cuz 1.5min CD
TR cpm should be around 1
sinful stone
that's probably without uproar
vocal flame
I know it is a very small feat for most of you but with all of your help I just got 2000 M+ rating! yeah!!! Got a cool token for another tier piece too!
strong forum
grats!
sinful stone
1.7 seems really high
toxic pewter
I know it is a very small feat for most of you but with all of your help I just ...
nice job u r a powerful indvidiual
vocal flame
nice job u r a powerful indvidiual
Ty! Pugging all the way haha rough roads but it feels good, slowly trying to push as well
sinful stone
are you really just pressing all the abilities on cd?
strong forum
well yeah?
chilly brook
Nah theyre not
what do they do in non-EB keys lol
sinful stone
for w/e reason i feel like making sure to use tr and ravager with avatar would be more dmg
strong forum
no
dull zodiac
what do they do in non-EB keys lol
Idk enough to time 20s
strong forum
you just send everything
all the time
dont try to line up shit
avatars CD is 35sec
TRs CD is 1min without uproar
with uproar its 35sec
ravager is 1.5min CD
they will eventually line up by default
trying to sit on CDs this short is inefficient
zinc root
what build is everyone using for m+ ? one off icy veins?
strong forum
cinder nova
damn your DPS were afk huh
idk man you can go pretty wild in EB as prot
Tons of SR
WM is still my favorite, though. If you time it right you can get 3 wasting strikes back to back and just clobber the boss with his own mech
Absolutely wild
cinder nova
Does he not cast if you leap?
cinder nova
Midcast?
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
Define retries
warped falcon
hey guys can tanks out range this / side step it or does lothar track?
strong forum
yes
cinder nova
Oh that's actually kinda tight
What's the cast time on it btw
I never bothered to check
.5s?
.75s?
strong forum
hey guys can tanks out range this / side step it or does lothar track?
dunno
dull zodiac
Make spell reflect castable on an ally 🙂 that'd make last boss in AD real fun
lusty grotto
hey guys can tanks out range this / side step it or does lothar track?
no
it doesnt matter thats not what killing you there if something is
dull zodiac
Im utterly amazed at howmany people dont understand that boss in pugs
lusty grotto
guaranteed your group is fucking up giving him stacks
chilly brook
idk man you can go pretty wild in EB as prot
I think he was referring to the rest of the group not having very high numbers for that dungeon
lusty grotto
uhh..
warped falcon
but I also see some try to side step it so I couldn't tell if it was or not
lusty grotto
you cannot side step it
warped falcon
yeah
lusty grotto
the tank will not hit the tank hard unless the group fucks up frontals
warped falcon
boss was kited around the edge
lusty grotto
or bladestorm
dull zodiac
I asked my friend 5 times if he understood the assignment today on that boss and then on the first frontal he baits it over 8 mobs
strong forum
narrator voice:" He did in fact, not understand the assignment."
chilly brook
boss was kited around the edge
a lot of people don't realize the bladestorm also kills npc's giving him stacks
cinder nova
wiat what
lusty grotto
bladestorming on a pass isnt really that bad
cinder nova
Stacks?
lusty grotto
its just continuously doing it
cinder nova
Stacks of what
strong forum
breh
dull zodiac
strong forum
the battlefield boss in rise
strong forum
gains stacks when they kill the sandghosts
lusty grotto
(thats why you bait them OUT)
strong forum
and those stacks are no bueno
lusty grotto
and with his bladestorm
strong forum
the ghosts on that boss arent just cosmetic
chilly brook
bladestorming on a pass isnt really that bad
the bs is gonna hit some things
but some people actually just drag through middle
for some brainless reason
dull zodiac
If i get the bladestorm in fury i just face tank it and keep dpsing
Even on like a 21-22
With enraged regen
U wont die
chilly brook
your healer must hate you
dull zodiac
Its pretty tame
chilly brook
just parry
doesn't work
dull zodiac
Rly try it
strong forum
it does
dull zodiac
Its not that bad
strong forum
its physical dmg
dull zodiac
If ur enraged regen ur BT/BB will outheal it no sweat
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strong forum
chilly brook
I've popped it and get chunked no matter what
lusty grotto
throwers/archers are the #1 target for that reason
chilly brook
fury just better in keys rn
lusty grotto
arms is deadge
shut your mouth
chilly brook
and more boss/prio dam
strong forum
only if you play bladestorm build as arms
chilly brook
fury is cranking on bosses in m+
strong forum
so does arms
chilly brook
nah nom
strong forum
crit did like 220k ST DPS in BRH on 2nd and 3rd Boss
strong forum
dont believe the fury propaganda
chilly brook
I've been playing both
lusty grotto
dull zodiac
Id play arms if it didnt feel like a 5 ppm spec :-))
lusty grotto
dont care still arms'ing
chilly brook
it just bursts hard as fuck if your group actually pulls around you
strong forum
satisfying buttons
strong forum
fury buttons are all the same shade of pool noodle
dull zodiac
Nono
strong forum
yes yes
chilly brook
honestly arms jugg m+ build is fun though
strong forum
idc about numbers
chilly brook
fury buttons are all the same shade of pool noodle
chilly brook
:thinkge
strong forum
you flail your arms around with your 2 oversized weapons like a kid having seen star wars for the first time
dull zodiac
Reeee
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
fury no thanks
karmic plinth
arms reminds me of banner prot with it's rage economy so i get to pretend im playing that instead 
dull zodiac
Wdym !! Pressing bloodbath after rampage is an art
tawny bane
How bad is the tree in WM? I heard warriors don't have to do the fire reset? Is there a trick to this or something special about warrior? Just did it on 21 with only 1 reset, but don't want to try it and get splatted.
grim pilot
crit did like 220k ST DPS in BRH on 2nd and 3rd Boss
dps wise I'd say it's pretty similar
just survivability diff
fury heals more, has more hp and has 10% dr (instead of 10% avoidance)
warm plinth
How bad is the tree in WM? I heard warriors don't have to do the fire reset? Is ...
The tankbuster is blockable, which makes us a lot more consistent against it than other tanks.
cinder nova
If your group hardswaps thorns instantly and is holding something small for it at times
You can practically moon stacks
But holy fuck there is a point where his melees just absolutely smash your head in
Even through block
warm plinth
Stacks don't increase thorns damage
grim pilot
^ just melee
warm plinth
It literally just increases crush/melee and the burning brush from resetting
cinder nova
I actually thought I was hard inting on my groups just leaving it to them to not get dumpstered by increasing thorns
grim pilot
on the contrary, resetting too often is hard inting
lusty grotto
hardy snow
is there any boss fight in current raid where dwarf racial is useful as on sarkareth etc?
grim pilot
fyrakk
orchid mural
ok Nimchip, is it 7100 u aim for, without the effects of ITF? or do you take ITF bonus into account 😛
what a tease
median tulip
ok Nimchip, is it 7100 u aim for, without the effects of ITF? or do you take ITF...
ITF doesn't give rating, it gives raw % haste, so it isn't subject to diminishing returns at all.
The 7100 cap is purely about rating.
orchid mural
ITF doesn't give rating, it gives raw % haste, so it isn't subject to diminishin...
thx man
median tulip
Remember that procs from trinkets etc usually give rating, so those are subject to diminishing returns.
warm plinth
on the contrary, resetting too often is hard inting
Yeah, I tell people like, 28-32 stacks is a pretty good spot
median tulip
I usually reset once at ~15 stacks, look and see how my DPS are doing at actually killing the thing, maybe do a second reset if the DPS are poor and then commit. That's this week on 20s anyway.
Fort week I just went YOLO and never reset.
warm plinth
15 is really low; lust isn't even over at that point
median tulip
As long as you don't reset too high or while someone is in thorns it doesn't matter.
median tulip
15 is really low; lust isn't even over at that point
It depends on how much I trust the healer to deal with it as well tbh
undone verge
I just dont even reset tbh unless the melees are doing like 70% lmao
warm plinth
I mean...if you reset at like 70 stacks then your healer is gonna fuckin hate you
median tulip
Anything past 40 stacks is a hard commit
warm plinth
Yeah, at that point you either kill the boss or admit you done fucked up
median tulip
It's fun just not resetting on Fort.
median tulip
Had one healer ask "reset?" at about 30 stacks and I just replied "nah"
warm plinth
median tulip
Healers are too used to the squishy tanks and sometimes forget that we're the kings of mitigation
warm plinth
Yeah like, DH and DK are probably the worst at it because they rely on RNG
Did I parry? lol. Did I not? Ohhh shit
median tulip
Yeah lol
warm plinth
Though DK is fine until it actually 1-shots them I suppose
since htey can just ds it back
median tulip
Whereas Warrior, sure eventually this will kill me, but I die very very slowly
warm plinth
yeppers
grim pilot
I mean...if you reset at like 70 stacks then your healer is gonna fuckin hate yo...
I think I didnt reset even once when I tanked it on 19 last forti
Kekw
warm plinth
yeah I wouldn't ahve either
warm plinth
child's play 
median tulip
Yeah as long as your DPS are semi competent, on Fort you can just YOLO it
uneven mason
p3's dot is removable with dwarf?
P1
Aflame (the stacking DoT)
P3 can't be removed by anything but dying
harsh rivet
Whats a decent DPS for a 472 prot in Heroic Amirdrassil?
pallid quiver
simply surpass your sims
go even further beyond
thanks all the bosses with damage amps
pallid quiver
kitty go swipe
lusty grotto
speaking of which
i had the thing happen yesteday tanking vault keys for my undergeared friend alts
the thing
where the fire just spawns on the boss
LOL
lusty grotto
i was like IT HAPPENED
lusty grotto
i recorded it cause one my friends (the priest) like to troll blame people
without the spanglish
i was fucking laughing so hard
and priest friend was like nimmy trolling us
so i had to present the evidence while laughing
ionic fern
cerulean tusk
Yo, doin Atal. Why all pugs so hung up on clearing spiders, instead of just balling them? 
ionic fern
"Balling them"?
Also, idk, spider management hard for pugs.
I don't enjoy the pools they leave on the ground.
cerulean tusk
I just go cove, wait two, ball em to the left, then pull it out and around during rend. So they get balled.
Or, I simply just do the circle, if ranged don't play game
Pugs tho, want me to kill the spiders, or paladin pops my ball. Yelling murder
cerulean tusk
I just like having one big blob of spiders
cinder nova
literally just stack for spiders, spread for spirits
stack for spiders
spread for spirit
that's the fight???
cerulean tusk
So it ain't some new meta, ye? Cause I stuck in old
ionic fern
Naa, no new meta.
It's slightly more annoying to group spiders due to the cast not being interruptable, so the boss just AFK's for a bit.
But other than that it's the same fight.
cerulean tusk
back to just tanking the verbal attacks and keep on chuggin along then
sick sentinel
What is prot warrior like for a beginner tank? I’ve heard it’s pretty decent, but somewhat reliable on a decent healer
ionic fern
It's..good?
You have enough SB up-time by default from talents - you just need to play your rotation properly, and using SS on CD.
All you have to worry about is the knowledge of:
1)What can you Block/Reflect;
2)Usage of SW;
cerulean tusk
It is a decent beginner tank, very newbie friendly. But with quite some room to improve within
pallid quiver
What is prot warrior like for a beginner tank? I’ve heard it’s pretty decent, bu...
Very punishing if your basics are flawed, though,
but the basics are pretty easy to manage
Also, when playing well, you don't really even need a healer outside of mechanics that simply go "kill the tank lmao"
vestal moat
A lot of tank busters that are very scary for other tanks you will not even notice as prot.
light dune
Rezan bleed hitting like a mf on tyrannical though
potent apex
What is prot warrior like for a beginner tank? I’ve heard it’s pretty decent, bu...
I had fury main and start tanking just a couple days ago as prot, it is really beginner friendly rotation wise as long as you setup your weakaura, I also played prot paladin but I felt warrior more fluent and “tank”
I am also totally new to tanking
ionic fern
Rezan bleed hitting like a mf on tyrannical though
That's almost every tank.
Aug is meta, they will cleanse every other one.
And you can pop a defensive + d stance + IP spam into the others.
Bonus points if you're a dwarf.
Just be sure to LoS the fear on the same side as your healer if it overlaps.
median tulip
Rezan is one of the nastier bosses this season; he has 2 abilities that can actually kill us
ionic fern
My vote goes for Time-Lost Battlefield and the double dragon boss in Doti Fall.
Rezan is chill af.
pallid quiver
Yeah, groups have had a non-zero amount of issues with Blight on my end so far
tired crystal
Dragons on ToTT without dispel are killer for absolute
warm plinth
There are dragons in Throne?
tired crystal
lmfao
warm plinth
hmm, worst pug boss for me so far has probably got to be last boss of Throne
or 2nd boss of throne tbh lol
I actually did like a low throne key today and I didn't kill 1 side of the 2nd boss room. Saw the evoker instantly go to that side of that boss. Told him to move. I swear to god he moved even farther to that side and even moved out toward the mobs
tired crystal
The exact same happened to me yesterday
pallid quiver
2nd boss is a wild time in Throne
tired crystal
Pinging the target "CARE" CARE lmfao
warm plinth
He of course got yeeted into the pack but fortunately the healer had the sense to not heal him, so he just died and we finished the boss
pallid quiver
I've seen so much whack shit with how people handle that boss
warm plinth
I think the worst "strat" I've seen so far is the tanks who move him from one alcove to the other every time adds spawn, so you end up with adds coming from 3 fucking directions at the end
pallid quiver
hey that was the strat i got to experience today
tired crystal
Jesus
pallid quiver
except we also had trash still alive in one of those alcoves
warm plinth
Especially annoying when I'm on my rogue
Because I'm like guys seriously just chill tf out; you literally can just keep him here
And I will just magically keep the adds off us
tired crystal
What is the most efficient way of doing that boss? I usually just leave a gap between him in and the wall, pugs then stack between slgihtly behind, and kite him down
warm plinth
well, it really depends on if the party knows the fight tbh
pallid quiver
Everyone stacks for puddles, everyone preps for knockback, one person who can knockback adds ezpz stands between adds and boss
rinse repeat pretty much
ionic fern
hmm, worst pug boss for me so far has probably got to be last boss of Throne
Ya, that's true, last boss in Throne is spooky PuG's.
warm plinth
Lot of people don't seem to know yet that you can just hit the adds to knock them back
warm plinth
So as long as you have a spec capable of constant aoe, it's very easy
ionic fern
Best way to deal with adds is..picking the most suitable DPS (or healer) depending on who'se in your group and saying:
"Resto dudu, you in charge of adds".
Gotta literally appoint someone to it, or no one does it.
warm plinth
Or if you have basically any tank besides prot war
You just put tank in between boss and adds
and let their passive shit do it
pallid quiver
i want to do it with my enha, but it feels really jank since i just kinda cleave
tired crystal
Or if you have basically any tank besides prot war
Pwars that bad this season?
ionic fern
Or the healer.
warm plinth
No it's because we're the only tank that doesn't have a constant source of aoe damage
ionic fern
Pwars that bad this season?
No, we just don't have such "passive" abilities which work there properly.
tired crystal
Ahhh ic
warm plinth
We're not bad; we're just not ideal for that particular mechanic. But there's many dps and healers that can do it instead
e.g. rdruid can just spam sunfire
ionic fern
Honestly, we are super good this season.
tired crystal
According to rankings we're the lowest played tank
ionic fern
Rankings are garbage.
tired crystal
also, barely even appearing on top numbers, just all vdhs and prot pally lol
ionic fern
"Lowest played tank" is just a popularity contest.
warm plinth
Pwar has this weird stigma
Where if we aren't meta
we're absolute garbage in the eyes of the community
tired crystal
^ have noticed this
tired crystal
PWar has been my main since start of dragonflight and have always loved it
Feels lacking sometimes though, especially as a VDH will be picked over you tenfold
ionic fern
I think every tank is currently represented in the top 30.
warm plinth
Which in the pug world is kinda nuts to me because it's a lot easier to play prot war properly than vdh
I've seen so many vdh just flop over this season because they have no idea what they're doing
pallid quiver
like me
pallid quiver
i haven't touched it since that timewalking, tbh
warm plinth
Took me a bit though; it's a very foreign style of mitigation
ionic fern
Know what's foreign to me?
Being more self sufficient on my warrior than on my paladin.
ionic fern
Ya, it's weird.
Even my healer says that he needs to pay way more attention to me when i'm on pally.
Rarely heals me directly in keys when i'm on prot.
Outside of some places where i yell "HEAL ME".
warm plinth
Tbf, idk about this season but last season pug healers tended to pay so much attention to me on ppal
But when I ran with my friend, she knew to just ignore me
tired crystal
I get absolutely nothing from healers on my pwar
pallid quiver
I have healers either paying way too much attention to me (beaconing me with single beacon then directing me with heals while I'm at around 98%) or just ignored for over a minute
ionic fern
I prefer the healers just DPS'ing.
tired crystal
looks at death logs - literally just me healing myself for a solid 10s
warm plinth
ionic fern
I get out DPS'ed by my healer on ST tho.
warm plinth
the slow rot to death
ionic fern
warm plinth
my favorite
tired crystal
yeah, it sucks when you're in with a disc, just hits harder st when they dont need to heal
pallid quiver
the slow rot to death
i've been asked "y u die, y u no heal self" before, presented logs of me using IV on CD and dying over the course of a minute on Nym, been kicked
like you all either need to put more hp in me before full bloom comes out or soak the puddles, boss, one or the other
jagged pier
question is when mwahi gunna shaman tank
ionic fern
question is when mwahi gunna shaman tank <:sadge:820202363359854633>
I've been sniped to tank keys. 😦
tired crystal
Or the "I was healing you" presenting with a 15k hot in the last 5 seconds
ionic fern
Every time i log on.
jagged pier
ionic fern
I did install SOD yesterday tho.
But..we got 26 AD/WM for today so not sure if i can play it today.
pallid quiver
I installed SOD like day 2, logged on, saw like 50 people in the starting area,
jagged pier
its actually really easy to get the tank runes for shammy
pallid quiver
then went "Nah, that ain't me" and logged off
ionic fern
its actually really easy to get the tank runes for shammy
How does the rune system even work?
Is it RNG drops?
jagged pier
nah u got to go find them
pallid quiver
There's specific things you do to either get them to drop or find them
warm plinth
Or the "I was healing you" presenting with a 15k hot in the last 5 seconds
Reminds me of my buddy asking why he's so squishy on ppal. "Are you pressing Cons and SotR?" "YEAH!" I check logs, presses SotR 5 times on a boss fight
pallid quiver
like purge a mob or something iirc
warm plinth
20% uptime on consecration
some people just think they're doing shit and they just aren't
ionic fern
nah u got to go find them
Max lvl already?
jagged pier
yer
pallid quiver
some people just think they're doing shit and they just aren't
I think it's because a lot of them are unhealthily illiterate. Did I ever tell you about the guy who said the k in details means you add the numbers together to get your DPS?
jagged pier
getting there on shammy as well
pallid quiver
so 80k is more damage than 120k
jagged pier
its 25 doesnt take long
pallid quiver
ye, they're steadily increasing level cap over time
jagged pier
yer in phase 1
warm plinth
I think it's because a lot of them are unhealthily illiterate. Did I ever tell y...
I'm sorry what
add what numbers?
pallid quiver
So 120k means you're doing 3 DPS
warm plinth
LOL what
pallid quiver
and 80k means you're doing 8 DPS
pallid quiver
there's also the bars behind the numbers by default, too, so that should also give them an indication
but
WoW players are a different breed, especially wow pugs
On the bright side,
He did do his arithmetic right
1+2+0 is, in fact, 3
tired crystal
kek
warm plinth
He's a great adder
pallid quiver
So I'd probably place that guy in like the 75th percentile bare minimum for mathematical literacy of wow players
maybe like 60th percentile overall for people i've met in life in general
gloomy vortex
Anyone got the DK discord?
royal obsidian
can you actually keep sb up when playing into the fray?
jagged pier
yes
royal obsidian
feels like im running into a gap at 3min
jagged pier
but u need to put more thought into it
royal obsidian
what more thought other than not waste duration and scharge on cd is there
jagged pier
are there casts going
am i gunna need to kite
should i leap away give myself a second or 2
is the pack about to die so i shouldnt waste my charges
etc etc
watch boss swing timer
is he about to swing
is he not
royal obsidian
so you are going to get gaps just making sure you dont need block when they happen
gotcha
ionic fern
You're talking raid or m+? 👀
royal obsidian
m+
ionic fern
TIme between packs.
royal obsidian
been running heavy repercussions so far for ez mode but haste looks juicy
ionic fern
I'm playing HR. 
oblique forge
quick trinket question, which ones would u use? i have these 3 that are pretty good
jagged pier
i play it in keys yer
ionic fern
2 raid ones.
jagged pier
the 2 raid ones
oblique forge
just the fyrakk ones?
jagged pier
yes
ionic fern
++
oblique forge
i mean a 900k shield is almost as good as a cheat death
jagged pier
no
oblique forge
and the dmg is really nice
oblique forge
rarely yea
royal obsidian
i just did proc it in atal 24
oblique forge
some tank busters get me close ngl
jagged pier
the shield is also likea quarter of the cheat death CD
royal obsidian
10% bird behind feared me into fire in front of 3rd boss stairs
actually saved the key
oblique forge
O TRUE
Its only 90 sec CD
just got the trinket, didnt even realize
ive been pretty lucky, also got gholak on hero
jagged pier
10% bird behind feared me into fire in front of 3rd boss stairs
right so literally something thats preventable so the cheat death is dmb to run there
if u had died to a like a boss hitting u
then sure your in the lvls where its useful
but if its because no stop
then nah
ionic fern
i doubt u proc the cheat death at all
I'm shamed to say how many times i've procced cheat death in keys.
royal obsidian
idk feels like saving a wipe every 3 keys is better than rezan doing 4k dps
jagged pier
cheat deaths are good when u play around them
but if u do a key and dont proc is at all
its a wasted slot
ionic fern
Unironically, i've also found places where i straightout died through that cheat death trinket.
I got no idea how tho.
royal obsidian
it has cap
ionic fern
Since there shouldn't be a gap.
Does it?
Because it feels like it bugs out.
Especially when checking logs.
warm plinth
Mwahi are you actually doing big kid keys this season
royal obsidian
actually it doesnt state the limit
but I guess it follows standard cheat death rules
same like rogue talent
warm plinth
Pretty sure all cheats function by the 200% max HP thing other than purgatory
which has no limit
royal obsidian
ye
ionic fern
Mwahi are you actually doing big kid keys this season
I wouldn't say big.
I'm only like 3.2k atm.
But i'm enjoying doing keys ya.
blazing condor
mwahi doing content
warm plinth
olive radish
what stats of most offensive stats for prot war 😄 ?
royal obsidian
ilvl
olive radish
so doesnt matter how stats is?
ionic fern
what stats of most offensive stats for prot war 😄 ?
Depends on your current stat distribution.
Generall speaking the above list holds true.
olive radish
olive radish
u cant sim as tank xD?
ionic fern
You can.
ionic fern
For DPS you can sim yourself.
oblique forge
you can sim dps as heal also EDIT: no, im stupid
olive radish
oh dident know
grim pilot
you can sim dps as heal also EDIT: no, im stupid
How? I tried putting my disc in and it said it's not supported
median tulip
The truth is that your tanking ability is a Player skill, not something governed by stat metrics in game.
olive radish
yea i know also spec but would be fun blast pug with dmg
but vers or mastery does increase dmg
ionic fern
How? I tried putting my disc in and it said it's not supported
I think healers use questionabely epic or something.
oblique forge
How? I tried putting my disc in and it said it's not supported
oh yea my bad, used to be possible i think? havent done it in a long time
grizzled nova
yea i know also spec but would be fun blast pug with dmg
what will be the most useful unitary upgrades from any given piece to another will vary depending on your current stat distribution, which is why 'sim yourself' tends to be the answer
but the 'optimal' dps distribution is 40% haste/30% crit/20% vers/10% mastery
if you want a hard target
the general wisdom is to just stay haste heavy, there's not a massive difference in dps between the other three after that
sick sentinel
tettles is talking on his yt videos about keys about soulbound goliath tre in wcm, saying the stun is horrible has too many hp
well, it cant go on the tank, and besides fire, that is preluded by lightning strike, so you know where its going to spawn
isnt it then just the dps and healer stacks up and then they can cleave roots when it comes out?
grizzled nova
the problem is how much damage it's doing to the caged target vs how long it takes to kill
blazing condor
yeah the roots gotta die fast
but its the ticking damage thats the problem
so even if everyone hard focus it - on higher keys its gonna have a lot of HP and still truck
sick sentinel
the only other thing i can think of that does any damage is some shit about when you do the remove stacks fire mechanic, something about ghost ppl appear and walk at people ? maybe?
im not sure what they do, they never hurt too bad
grizzled nova
it fucken annihilates people in high Tyr if the healer isn't absolutely blasting them, and even if they are, if it doesn't die fast enough it won't matter
sick sentinel
i figure it would just be the healer and dps ball up behind the boss
grizzled nova
everyone in any kind of key level swaps targets immediately
sick sentinel
is it one of those one that it has the higher probability to go on the out of range mage or the healer first
sick sentinel
instant cast huh, doesnt have any tells where its gunna send it
grizzled nova
people already don't want to take Aug into wcm because if the Aug doesn't get caged every time it is very unlikely you can break it before they die
sick sentinel
rest of the keys he talked about tuning i cant really comment on
i've not run 2nd half of doti as a high key (18-20+), dont want to
tyranical this is
grizzled nova
goliath is one of the harder just because of cage tuning.
most of the time you want to lust first boss and clear trash and maybe even kill gral until you get lust back for Goliath as well
warm plinth
Yeah even in 20s I prefer to do raal first then lust goliath
grizzled nova
other than the first two bosses wcm is pretty chill
we get two big dongue reflect bosses
which is nice
warm plinth
Yeah, sadge that SR cooldown still isn't quite short enough to get every wasting strike though
sick sentinel
going raal first on fort ins suicide
grizzled nova
as long as you're leaping the wasting where you can't quite get there you can reflect 4 in a row before you have to eat one
sick sentinel
alot of differnt trash, alot of differnt mechanics needed to pull it right
warm plinth
going raal first on fort ins suicide
Why 🤔
Not first, just before goluath
Goliath
Witches then raal then goliath
sick sentinel
have to skip some mobs, use los, deal with a spawned in witch, reflect the maggot, move out of the silence
grizzled nova
nah like you lust trio then clear courtyard trash and raal trash until you have lust for goliath as well
warm plinth
You don't have to skip any mobs
sick sentinel
or, go up stairs and deal with basically same
grizzled nova
raal trash always gets pulled into the courtyard
sick sentinel
and hope not to pull the room that you skipped
grizzled nova
so you have room
warm plinth
Going upstairs is silly
sick sentinel
and going up the stairs to the right theres also a tiny room with litearlly nothing in in except like 1 quest thing
but some mobs
so it make ppl wonder "do we need these"?" and youi dont
i hate that route as a whole basically
grizzled nova
ALSO if you take intervene and have someone stand far enough away you should be able to reflect every single wasting strike
sick sentinel
going up the stairs to left isn't a terrible option to witches, bad on fort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5KlY49JwYg every time i go to that boss, i think of this boss from old mario game, same exact thing, 3 witches
uneven mason
TFW you wipe on HC Smolderon 54 times and then 3 shot TSwift
strong forum
H-how do you wipe to HC smolderon 54 times
jagged pier
light dune
uneven mason
H-how do you wipe to HC smolderon 54 times
I D K
literally don't know
oh wait I do, people can't dodge tornado
I believe I uttered the phrase "Ranged stop sniffing the bosses ass so we have room"
strong forum
uneven mason
our raids bane is apperntly stuff that moves that can kill you
strong forum
👻
blazing condor
easiest way to not kill smolderon is probably ppl not taking their orbs
cus even with fucked up pools you can kill before you run out of space
grizzled nova
easiest way to not kill smolderon is probably ppl not taking their orbs
pugged heroic on my ppala and it's 70% people dying to nados/30% people dying world in flames
pools are pretty whatever as long as your dps has a pulse you'll make the check even with abysmal baits
so many people just get juggled by nados tho it is insanity
strong forum
40
blazing condor
grizzled nova
still only have 38, blizzard support told me they see 40 on their end and I should submit a bug report
gonna be a week behind on helm enchant because they won't help me sadge
strong forum
i only have 36
blazing condor
i have 38 currently but got more bosses to kill
grizzled nova
I mean you should hit the cap in the first 4 bosses you kill every week
grizzled nova
fellow week late helm enchant gamer
blazing condor
crazy how we're only 4 weeks into the new patch but it already feels like ur doing late-patch content
except mythic raids cus i dont do that
but the type of keys/farm id be doing later into a patch i do now
uneven mason
easiest way to not kill smolderon is probably ppl not taking their orbs
just attrition to getting hit by avoidable damage
I'm pushing the raid to extend the HC lockout so we can get into mythic
got Fryguy to like 20% on our first pull
since at this point no one should be needing HC gear between catalyst and running keys
grizzled nova
gholak and fyrakk trinkets and neither will drop madge
jolly crystal
Managed to nab Gholak on our last normal clear, havent seen any of the trinkets
blazing condor
cant get into any reasonable fyrakk pug this week
toxic pewter
out of like 10 prot warr i encounter in the wild 3 or 4 of them still using bolster with t31
its weird as hell lmao
toxic pewter
we havent had relevant blue text in over a year
blazing condor
you may not like it but this is what peak male performance looks like
toxic pewter
just need the blue beads around ur neck
teal swift
No mog Is complete without the ass beads
toxic pewter
No mog Is complete without the ass beads
dusky canopy
you may not like it but this is what peak male performance looks like
Bruh LOL
rich solar
Noob prot here, question, are you guys also losing agro to DHs randomly? In feel like the Throw glaive tierset thing is generating so much agro
silent vessel
you may not like it but this is what peak male performance looks like
why does he look like steven seagal
grizzled nova
Noob prot here, question, are you guys also losing agro to DHs randomly? In feel...
havoc does massive nearly instant burst, pwar takes a few globals to get rolling, it happens
rich solar
My player instantly switches to red instead of the inbetween colour (colourblind), it fcking sucks haha
grizzled nova
blame demo shout, you want to use it early to amp your other buttons but it does no damage and no threat, meanwhile mr dh is doing 700k dps
rich solar
Ohhhhh i might be using demoshout as second ability every pull
toxic pewter
I think demo shout does some amount of threat tbh
not sure how much though
at least it used to
dusky canopy
Thunderclap roar immediately should snap enough threat
You can** avatar mid charge to get the most out of roar
rich solar
But i want to use the increased damage from demo for my roar 😭
dusky canopy
You can demo the next global after roar
The Initial roar damage would be less yeah but you’re having threat issues
toxic pewter
the dot from TR is better anyway
dusky canopy
This also assumes all targets are within roar range
You would not want to roar immediately on first pull EB for example
Could miss mobs
grizzled nova
the amount of pugs that immediately go ham on the first 3 mobs and make me fight them for aggro while I'm grouping everything else is insane
in like 23s even
dusky canopy
Charge+Ava+shieldblock > TC > DS > Roar > SC
Something like that should be plenty of threat
If people rip aggro before your 3rd global they’re kinda Inting honestly
Idk the optimal opener this season so take it with some salt but I think it gets the idea across
rare summit
Weird question, tried searching but came up with nothing. Does Rageheart's constant AOE need something else besides combat to trigger? Doesn't show up at all when AFK attacking target dummies but I've seen it in keys at the end.
Answered it - Rageheart's AOE just doesn't work on the target dummies.
royal obsidian
Noob prot here, question, are you guys also losing agro to DHs randomly? In feel...
challenging shout should give you enough time to get rolling and cd is short enough that you can cover fel barrage is someone is playing is still or meta
uneven mason
Throw glaive doesn’t actually make aggro as a dps
Doesn't make aggro as a vdh either
It's not like heroic throw
warm plinth
It is, it just does a fraction of the damage
uneven mason
It just doesn't seem to have the same grabbing power
sick sentinel
is yogi the correct amount of stupid to play DH or not enough or too much stupid
i cant do dk for life of me
uneven mason
Like I can heroic throw a mob and be pretty confident it'll come to me, but glaive just feels like a sneeze rips off of it
silent vessel
i cant do dk for life of me
huh
sick sentinel
druid i fundamentally cant do
have never been able to take druid seriously since 2004
uneven mason
i cant do dk for life of me
Vdh is dk with mobility but more involved recovery, and only 1 major CD
sick sentinel
monk feels good but its also feels pepega and i recall runing a 7 or 11 or 13 or some shit of AD
that hurt alot and we didnt make it to or past the troll 2nd boss
paladin i just have too many buttons
uneven mason
paladin i just have too many buttons
Imagine paladin being the tank you think has too many buttons
sick sentinel
hot take
i think 90% of specs
no matter how you slice them
have way too fucking many buttons
maybe not immensely so, but bigly
uneven mason
You're not wrong, but I prefer having a selection of buttons over classic
sick sentinel
theres some classes that dont suffer like rogue i know, hunter can be okay for button bloat
but like paladin druid warlock priest......... forget it
i've already lost if i log in on one of those
uneven mason
Druid doesn't have a lot
lusty grotto
Like I can heroic throw a mob and be pretty confident it'll come to me, but glai...
its the sound
you know its funny i was just reading about something interesting regarding sound the other day
lusty grotto
didnt it just come out
uneven mason
I need to get doom95 running again
sick sentinel
i've been recording this game i just linked for the past about week or so
i struggle on easy
uneven mason
anyway ikari, regarding sound:
Perspective and perception yeah
lusty grotto
im pretty sure thats the case with throw glaive
cause it sounds like throwing a tin can or something
uneven mason
You're probably right, probably the reason why I always play pwar, we "feel" powerful
lusty grotto
on that note
uneven mason
Why I have issues with paladins, fuckin wind chimes
lusty grotto
i changed from my old hyper x cloud alphas
to logitech's lightspeed pro x2s
and turned on surround sound and worked the eq
bro
thunderclap drops some fucking bass
tired crystal
How are my stats?
Parry: 3,468 Crit: 3,468 Haste: 6,635 Mastery: 1,842 Versatility: 3,538
Im thinknig of dropping some haste to add crit for higher parry?
lusty grotto
i was like holy shit how come ive never heard it like this before
stats dont matter
@warm plinth
uneven mason
How are my stats?
Parry: 3,468 Crit: 3,468 Haste: 6,635 Mastery: 1,842 Versatili...
@warm plinth
tired crystal
Okay ty
uneven mason
You grab haste until you're Nimchip and have to delete protection spec
lusty grotto
royal obsidian
How are my stats?
Parry: 3,468 Crit: 3,468 Haste: 6,635 Mastery: 1,842 Versatili...
what do you even need parry for
lusty grotto
that only happened when Sense played BDK smh my head
royal obsidian
if you can parry you can block and if you can block you dont need to parry
uneven mason
what do you even need parry for
For the parry party
dusky canopy
SENSE DID WHAT
cerulean tusk
what do you even need parry for
Spiders
lusty grotto
parry is full mit
dusky canopy
tired crystal
what do you even need parry for
I was discussing in log review, and we thought it may be my parry being low causing me to take more dmg
dusky canopy
“You don’t need parry if you can block”
uneven mason
SENSE DID WHAT
dusky canopy
Well Isn’t that just the statement of the day.
royal obsidian
Spiders <:critcake:984549832511344640>
leap away angle
dusky canopy
cerulean tusk
Why block, when you can dodge
cerulean tusk
I dodge
lusty grotto
thatsthejoke
dusky canopy
Dodge
Parry 
uneven mason
Am dwarf, no dodge, beard absorbs 100% of damage based on charisma