so kindly mean prot spec fmr mythic plus is it the same all round ?
#protection
frail fern
pallid quiver
Y'know, I thought I knew what you were asking, and now I have zero idea
Whatever you're asking, check pins for talent builds
warm plinth
Our spec is geared around damage, yes
But it's also the best spec defensively, aside from random picks that you lose too much to take
frail fern
sorry just come back from break asking ..used to use wowlogs for afix and ajust acordingly
lusty grotto
what is your main language
frail fern
english Have dislexiya so sorry for grammer
blazing condor
for pwarr theres not really "specing for damage" vs "specing for survival"
damage and survivability kinda go hand in hand
frail fern
thankyou
frail fern
Weapon first item to craft ATM ?
lusty grotto
#268491842637660160 has a list
but...
if youre extremely new to tanking shield might be the best first craft
the bis is what the guide/faq says
frail fern
not new no just commming back
lusty grotto
what ilvl is your current shield
frail fern
just got 447
lusty grotto
craft shield
lusty grotto
frail fern
thx sorry
lusty grotto
theres an embelish/crafted item section under prot
dense shell
Good morning. My WA for spellreflect calling the SR always, on every cast on all party memeber
the WA is this one https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg
Any solution ?
lusty grotto
you'd have to ask the WA creator
there's a comment section in wago
you can ask there
and/or make sure you've updated the WA
i have no idea how it works i dont use it
glacial flint
Good morning. My WA for spellreflect calling the SR always, on every cast on all...
You didn't update in 2+ weeks
small marsh
how do I make tanking TotT not feel like I'm trying to pass a kidney stone
lusty grotto
be better
cause tanking tott isnt hard
except for the dog pack, which is manageable by being a dwarf
dense shell
You didn't update in 2+ weeks
I update last week (fortified)
small marsh
the dog room in general is hell
the packs are social and have casters mixed inside patrol routes
lusty grotto
no
not really
you can single pull dog pack out if you cleared the first 2 packs
as well as the mini boss
small marsh
I aggroed the pack on the left, ran away, the casters stood in place casting until the dogs pathed back and aggroed off them
how do you pull the pats w/o the side packs
lusty grotto
i mean, did you try LoSing?
you can taunt a dog while its between left and center pack, and the entire thing will come by itself
small marsh
aight
lusty grotto
you were engaging a caster pack and didn't LoS, what did you expect was gonna happen?
small marsh
I ran for los and the dogs ran back before I could get to the door
lusty grotto
of course they will stand and turret cast on you
you should be faster
but honestly just single pulling the dog pack first will make it easier
or just do the 3 mob pack with dogs, and chain stops
🤷
since its tyr week
median tulip
LOL. 10% of all the damage in BRH is the phase 1 tank buster shot on the final boss
lost wyvern
i remember in BFA people were saying yazma in atal had a maximum spider limit cap that you eventually reached, is that still the case? assuming nobody ever clears any spiders
solid kraken
is lariat worth or shadowflame on cloak and vambs? i see a lot of lariats on high keys
median tulip
is lariat worth or shadowflame on cloak and vambs? i see a lot of lariats on hig...
In terms of pure damage, double Shadowflame sims highest. But bear in mind that a Lariat (especially with Air gems) has defensive value, whereas Shadowflame has none.
solid kraken
fair, thank you
median tulip
Also necklace options this season are shite
jagged pier
But u have torc and can put the food one on it without loosing armour and strength for lower ilvl
pulsar path
Don't you guys have any aggro issues on the beginning of the pulls in keys? Seems that with aggressive dps, mobs are all over the place. Never happens on my bdk
bleak breach
Don't you guys have any aggro issues on the beginning of the pulls in keys? Seem...
I think all tanks can get the issue, fury war, havoc dh are really bad for it.
Only time I get an issue is when I go in with 0cds left, no SC or TR, ravager or avatar.
median tulip
Yeah, DPS that go all in on the first mob while I'm trying to gather a couple of packs up are annoying like that
ofc if you only pull one pack they whine that you aren't pulling big enough
Just let them die if they are dumb
pulsar path
first 2-3 gcd are not generating enough aggro for me.
pulsar path
Ok, so I have to always camp a cd for pull. Gonna go with this advice
bleak breach
Nothing dramatic, just don’t blow like TR or ravager/SC if the mobs have like 10% or less health
I play Fury with my BDK friend and have the same issue, you just don’t blow all your stuff the second the tank gets to the adds. Sadly most players love to blow every cd they have the second you charge and wonder why they die.
pulsar path
I don't lose aggro on bdk like at all. Feels like blood boil does way more threat than clap
But it could be just getting used to it.
Looking forward to be better prot
bleak breach
I had a lot less dramas with new 4pc, not sure if you have it yet? Get a lot more TC and have TR for every pull
pulsar path
I had a lot less dramas with new 4pc, not sure if you have it yet? Get a lot mor...
I have 4p s2 set, I levelled it not long before s3 and didn't play since then. But I will give it a lot of attention now.
bleak breach
So don’t have T31 yet?
pulsar path
Thing is, the moment I log in I'm jumped and forced to pay bdk ^^
pulsar path
So don’t have T31 yet?
Not a single piece
bleak breach
Yeah it will help for aoe
pulsar path
It's like 420ish
bleak breach
Ahh yeah, you’ll be fine at higher ilvls
manic scaffold
How are prot warriors rn?
pulsar path
As one that just gets into it I'll say: tough, but slow aggro. Was just being told it gets better with gear xD
strong forum
I don't lose aggro on bdk like at all. Feels like blood boil does way more threa...
That's because blood boil hits like 3-4x harder than thunderclap and is uncapped
pulsar path
Yeah that why I came here, to see what you have to say about it, how do you open.
strong forum
If you have all CDs ready
Ravager > charge + Avatar + shield block> thunderclap > demo > roar > shield charge
If dps are blasting you gotta throw aoe taunt in there
flat stratus
hey why itf isnt recommended ?
azure smelt
Do spell reflects get buffed with av/demo or anything?
strong forum
hey why itf isnt recommended ?
If you read the text, it says that ITF is really good once you have enough haste
flat stratus
oooh so good enough is around what numbers of haste ?
strong forum
More than 5400
median tulip
It's possibler I'm overdoing things
strong forum
A tad
median tulip
That's actually with a proc
sick sentinel
soooo i keep seeing prot warrior going down in rankings we are D tier now.. why are we so low? im only doing like 18-20s but i dont even take damage whats soo bad about prot warrior right now ? feels good to play to me
median tulip
soooo i keep seeing prot warrior going down in rankings we are D tier now.. why ...
Ignore Tier Lists. Bask in the comments "why aren't you taking any damage?" when you run keys
sick sentinel
i guess im worried that no one will want me as a tank if thigs stay like this or get worse 😦
median tulip
You're a Tank. You're the most in-demand role in the game, and you should proceed to give absolutely no fucks whatsoever
sick sentinel
ye, i'm loving playing prot rn so i hope so XD
median tulip
You have to remember that Tier Lists are formulated based on a "absolutely perfect play by perfect groups in +28 keys/mythic raids" basis. I can more or less sleepwalk through +18s.
Unless you are pushing the absolute bleeding edge of possible content, just ignore it.
Most of the "Meta" class tanks doing +18s are FOTM-chasing mouth-breathers that think they can compensate for their poor play by playing the "best" pick for a season.
The same goes for DPS, FWIW; if you see a Surv Hunter or a WW Monk looking (with a decent IO score), take them; they are probably a god and will put most meta-chasers to shame
jagged pier
You have to remember that Tier Lists are formulated based on a "absolutely perfe...
no the ones most ppl look at now are just formulated by the wow api which literally just shows that the most played things are
median tulip
@sick sentinel Like, I posted this earlier. This is a +18 BRH. Listerally 10% of the entire damage in the whole dungeon was 2 tankbuster shots on the last boss. And that didn't even get me below 50% HP
median tulip
no the ones most ppl look at now are just formulated by the wow api which litera...
Self-reinforcing bias 
jagged pier
big tru there
sick sentinel
ive always wondered what kind of an algorithm is used to come up with tier lists on sites like subcreation. can seem janky sometimes
jagged pier
it scrapes
all the runs
that have been done
looks at specs
if u are the top spec run u go in S
if u are second u go in A
etc etc
nothing more goes into that
sick sentinel
in my runs i find i have to warn healers of the off tank buster and be like.. ok.. now.. this fight you might have to gieve me a heal.. just warning you just incase. the class feels good to play thats why imshocked
median tulip
There's maybe half a dozen boss abilities total that are actually a threat to us in 20s
sick sentinel
There's maybe half a dozen boss abilities total that are actually a threat to us...
100%!!
thanks for the feed back, appreciate it!
teal swift
You have to remember that Tier Lists are formulated based on a "absolutely perfe...
You can probably take the worst possible class choices and comp for 18-20 keys and be fine.
Worst tank class
Worst healer class
Worst 3 DPS classes with negative synergy
And be fine
Mid keys like 18-20 can be completed in time by holding W
frosty mango
Mid keys like 18-20 can be completed in time by holding W
Ya except most people are forever holding s
hollow sun
Mid keys like 18-20 can be completed in time by holding W
yeah, yesterday i tanked wm 18 on my 448 prot warrior wiht 0 set. We wiped once on the crones, i ended up being the 3rd dps, just behind 20k of the second dps and we still timed. Healer did 6k dmg. If you just make normal pulls you are going to time those keys unless some boss goes wrong, unironically pressing W is the winning strategy in that range
pulsar path
what spec should i be running with s2 tier? Anything different than current?
karmic plinth
what spec should i be running with s2 tier? Anything different than current?
take bolster and itf if you aren't already
toxic pewter
I know this is kind of weird question but anyone know why my lfr boss kills are not logging lol
median tulip
Yeah, but then there's the state of this:
jagged pier
median tulip
Mind you, some of the stuff people put in group ads is legit hilarious
I fkn sympathize with that guy
teal swift
Ragnaros server being like "I don't wan't no damn Brazil players"
EU Rag moment
median tulip
Ragnaros server being like "I don't wan't no damn Brazil players"
This is EU. EU Kazzak is the sweaty tryhard realm
teal swift
It's equivalent to like illidan I guess for na?
Yeah Idk
I see people avoid Latin servers
And oce servers
Never seen anyone avoid a try hard server
Probably because NA players suck too much. So no server congregating of like minded food players
waxen frigate
Never seen anyone avoid a try hard server
some people (mostly more casual players) avoid them due to perceived toxicity
A52 comes to mind as a server i've heard people say they avoid
although much less often than latam or oce
teal swift
A52 comes to mind as a server i've heard people say they avoid
a52 is the biggest server in world
thats a lot of people to avoid
I should leave a52 but i like my character names
waxen frigate
these are people who run like
teal swift
🥺
teal swift
a52 just has lots of people
if you ever wanna run like mid keys lmk, i wanna try to learn how to dps :kekw:
im potato tier
waxen frigate
i miss stormrage
toxic pewter
I also am on a52
median tulip
New funniest thing I've seen in wow; a DH on Xavius getting silenced every time he uses fel rush
cerulean tusk
real thunder
Anyone know of any good Intervene uses in M+?
undone verge
cerulean tusk
Anyone know of any good Intervene uses in M+?
You can intervene shots in BRH, fixates in ToT, ehm
Ye, that about it
real thunder
Dang, ty both
lethal plaza
Is it bad to have low versatility?
cerulean tusk
Not if that is your highest ilvl. All stats help you out to live 
lethal plaza
ok cause I have a ton of crit/haste, then like 2k mastery and vers
cerulean tusk
Sounds good for your dam
median tulip
You can intervene shots in BRH, fixates in ToT, ehm
@real thunder The fixating adds the bears and the first boss spawn in DHT, and the Bats in BRH too
cerulean tusk
All the fixates 
real thunder
tyty
cerulean tusk
If only it worked on the Rise Bladestorm
sleek current
Eh, funny number on 22+ Waycrest. Absolutely free on Prot Warrior. 😂
cerulean tusk
Nice
pure willow
what kinda crafted items we wanna aim for?
cerulean tusk
Not checked in a while, but go to WoWhead, Google it and prot warrior embellishment. Then you will see what is recommended
unkempt bolt
How do you handle the 2nd boss in dht? Just got absolutely destroyed on +21 no idea how to handle the grip
unkempt bolt
Did like 280k with defensives up
unkempt bolt
for that boss specifcally
Maybe that’s the play hmm
jagged pier
#protection message this is how to deal with it. u dont run double wall its bad, and u leap breath
pure willow
yeah idk if im doin it wrong either of what, but i have to like bank 750k+ ignore pain plus have SW and LS
spell reflect works?
unkempt bolt
I tried to bank ip but the breath just demolishes almost everything
unkempt bolt
So leap to outrange the breath? I see that’s helpful! Thanks
sleek current
75 on +23. 😂 No Tank expect Prot Warrior can get away with this
Turns the boss everyone fears into the easiest. 😂
novel temple
Oakheart does a breath?
And it’s leasable?
I thought only the breath from deios in rise was leapable
sleek current
Not sure it is leapable, I wouldn't risk it personally.
You can use spell reflect every time, I believe.
But, honestly I dread that boss everytime I get to it.
jagged pier
it works the same way as deios
and as the grip is also nature damage
and unavoidable
u want SR for that
ruby musk
Is there anything we can macro Thunderous Roar to?
Or is it just going to be a WA to track it?
novel temple
But if spell reflect is up for each trip, then than means impending victory is up for each one too
So IV, SR, and def stance
novel temple
and as the grip is also nature damage
Or was the CD usage template including def stance usage?
plush imp
would you equip DHT trinket or Everbloom one
chilly brook
Not sure it is leapable, I wouldn't risk it personally.
It’s definitely leapable
It’s not hard to do
You leap at start of cast and then charge back
novel temple
It’s definitely leapable
I also thought it was dodgeable by moving out of the cast too
chilly brook
No
novel temple
For oakheart
novel temple
Oh
novel temple
What’s the range on it anyway?
novel temple
lol
wheat field
Hello i have been thinking of switching to prot from fury this season . What is a really quick way to obtain an one hander and a shield to get right into it
restive scroll
Hello i have been thinking of switching to prot from fury this season . What is...
Blue 420 something items
wheat field
oh i need to use AH to get so low ilvl for starting ?
restive scroll
You asked for the quickest way, that's it ^^
You can always farm them in your regular content
teal salmon
Is there a known bug with Volcoross's Barbed Fang? Switching from a weapon with 0 haste (Gholak) to Volcoross it's only giving me 10 haste. Not the 321 Haste from the 476 version.
wheat field
y i know i thought maybe i could get a higher ilvl weapon but its k if this is what i can do
restive scroll
y i know i thought maybe i could get a higher ilvl weapon but its k if this is w...
For instance, i do mythic+19 and up.
So to play fury/arm, i usually wait for 2h in my drops.
But I have to wait for that, you seem like you didn't want to wait
If you do raid, mythic+, mythic dungeons or even pvp, you will have a higher ilvl one, just not as fast
wheat field
y
thanks 🙂
oh also one last question . Do shields increase the damage of abilities like shield slam ?
pallid quiver
oh also one last question . Do shields increase the damage of abilities like shi...
Not since like Cata or Pandaland or something
It is the only source of block value from gear, though
little notch
anyone have a weakaura to track fervid bite procs?
lusty grotto
theres one in #268491842637660160
little notch
thanks
wheat field
It _is_ the only source of block value from gear, though
thank you
lost wyvern
does anyone have a weakaura that shows how much damage your spell reflect did? not in chat but a text popup or something
silent vessel
whats the matter with checking details or logs
lost wyvern
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
silent vessel
?
lost wyvern
how am i supposed to go check logs mid combat
silent vessel
how am i supposed to know you want to have it mid combat
lusty grotto
have you searched wago?
lost wyvern
have you searched wago?
yeah only found one but it had unfiltered combat log warning on it that might cause performance issues
lost wyvern
because i want to see if i missed it or not
pallid quiver
if you have audio on, spell reflect is probably the single most distinctive sound effect in the entire game
lost wyvern
i havent played wow with sound on since wotlk
jagged pier
Well u can just hover over your bar on details and see it in the breakdown u dont need to open details to see it
But if u want to annoy other players by spamming chat u do, do 🤷
lost wyvern
a weakaura that shows me in real time sounds a lot more efficient
lost wyvern
But if u want to annoy other players by spamming chat u do, do 🤷
you didnt even read what i wrote 🤷
"not in chat but a text popup or something"
jagged pier
🤷 dont think thats doable without performace issues as it will be hefty
So mostly the easiest is to right it in chat to tell u
toxic pewter
Didn’t realize I wanted that but gonna import asap
chilly brook
I mean the easiest thing to do is to just turn sound on….
You can basically prune practically most of the sound you don’t want anyways
hot gust
hi, does anyone have a simple text weakaura that shows what my current stance is? I want to put it inside my health frame
candid niche
Are you wanting a SR weakaura just to know if the reflect has been consumed or cause you want to know specifically what you reflected at the time ?
Cause the silver shield above your head when you cast it gets smaller and duller when the reflect portion is used up
lost wyvern
https://wago.io/SpellReflection
tyvm
candid niche
definitely, nothing gives me more dopamine than hearing that noise
strong forum
i dont know what sound SR does
havent played with game sounds on
since idk wod?
maybe mop
hollow sun
I have macros that activate and turn down the sounds lol
mild jolt
personal Preference? Brench or Hourglass trinket? same ilv
winged slate
The best sound is still old execute
toxic pewter
personal Preference? Brench or Hourglass trinket? same ilv
I would personally lean toward branch myself
mild jolt
bc of added burst dmg if needed?
toxic pewter
Yeah I like branch it does a lot of damage
strong forum
hourglass for keys
branch for raid
imo
hm... branch sims 2k dps higher in aoe tho
interesting
toxic pewter
I’m actually annoyed I gave away my heroic branch because I have augury brand and sort of plan to just use those two.. but I think branch can be good in like 1 or 2 dungeons or short boss fights
That was dumb of me but the other guy had like veteran trinket or something
strong forum
brand is actually good everywhere even in tott
cuz for all the bosses youll have it max stacked
and thats whats the most important dmg
only boss where you dont have it on 15 stacks on pull is 2nd
unless you use toy
in fall youll have it pre-stacked for 3/4 bosses if you skip
and 4/4 if you dont skip
Rise is pretty much where you dont have it stacked for 3/4 bosses
toxic pewter
How does worn doll work every time I click it it doesn’t do anything. Is it supposed to spawn a mob or wat
strong forum
you thunderclap the doll
strong forum
itll die and reset your combat timer
toxic pewter
Hell yeah
Signet even better now
I already got over 5% in every dungeon. Can do more if I try harder too
strong forum
in BRH, WCM, DHT, Atal and EB you can keep all the stacks for the entire dungeon with a bit of finesse
my highest was i think 10.6% from signet
didnt drop it once
mh okay was 8.9%
ancient reef
whats the correct use of dragons roar
ancient reef
same with ravager
strong forum
correct
lusty grotto
tclap shouldnt be that low
it should be 2nd
in keys
2nd and close to being tied with fervid
grim pilot
I honestly have tc very often just highest
toxic pewter
Means u gotta ss more
ivory elbow
just got ripped on a 25 tides
second boss just reset
anyone know why that happens?
chilly brook
why arent you thunderclapping
I assure you it’s being pressed
Just probably not as much as it could be
lusty grotto
orchid mural
i thought that if u upgrade something on your main, your alt doesn't need to spend crests on the same piece - wasn't that a thing?
tawny bane
No just reduces flightstones
The flightstones amount will be lit up in green if its being reduced, but you only skip crests if that character has a higher ilvl themselves.
strong forum
^
sharp dew
Anyone know how much “generates high threat” actually does? Is there a number/scale comparison between heroic/titanic throw and your regular abilities?
strong forum
It just does 4x threat
Normal tank threat modifier is 650% iirc
And "generate high threat" is an additional multiplier on top
Taunt is another 400% multiplier but for all dmg
jagged gust
huh I had no idea taunt provided a threat multiplier
warm plinth
It's not enough that you use it for anything but opportune casts
(heroic throw I mean)
strong forum
How do you think taunt let's you keep aggro lol
sharp dew
It just does 4x threat
Edited to what I was gonna ask lol
sharp dew
And "generate high threat" is an additional multiplier on top
On top of the 4x?
strong forum
Yes
Wait no
So basically let's go about it like this
Every point of dmg you deal, generates 5.5x amount of threat
So 1 = 5.5
Heroic throw has an additional 4x (or 3x multiplier can't exactly remember)
So 1 point of heroic throw dmg = 5.5*3 (or 4)
Same thing with taunt
strong forum
Iirc the number was 26x if you combine the 2
Yes
You can keep ST threat by just spamming taunt + heroic throw
Technically
jagged gust
so if you heroic throw in taunt you'll have infinite threat
ranged tank meta when?
grim pilot
in SoD
strong forum
But yeah, that's how you're supposed to get threat as a tank
Taunt + dmg window
= infinite threat
But it all comes down to dmg output, that's why throw glaive is so shit
Because throw glaive has that same multiplier
But does only 1/6th of the dmg of heroic throw
sharp dew
So what you’re saying is one titanic throw on a pack while running by>>>thunderclap+rend
strong forum
Technically yes
Because titanic throw does the same dmg as thunderclap does
But has that extra multiplier
warm plinth
Titanic throw is scary though because it's not a very intuitive spread
strong forum
Yeah it can ninja pull
warm plinth
It functions visually like a cleave but it functions realistically like a chain lightning
sharp dew
Kind of want to try it out just cuz of this convo
warm plinth
I used it in a TJS
strong forum
It's super fun imo
sharp dew
Make me feel like I’m throwing a shield on a pally lmao
warm plinth
And I hit the right-most mob in the last trash pack and it hit all of them
strong forum
It's insanely good to pull groups, if not for ninja pulling
I might try it in EB tbh
warm plinth
It's a good talent point for sure. It was actually in the recommended build for a while last season I think
but it's basically one of the options for our flex point
strong forum
In s1 it was for a bit
But bounding stride is just more useful on a handful of bosses
And you can't sac any other point
Unless you wanna give up actual dmg or CC
jagged gust
Titanic throw used to troll the fuck out of me in Neltharus
I really do love it but between the CD and occasionally pull an extra pack or a boss made for some yikes moments
sharp dew
I was thinking side arm, I think on avg it’s like 2% dmg overall for a QoL gather talent in specific dungeons like EB as you mentioned
warm plinth
I really do love it but between the CD and occasionally pull an extra pack or a ...
Yeah, the cooldown is what ultimately made me swap the point
that and I love bounding stride
trim marten
Got the heroic Fyrakk 1H axe on my level 430 warrior. Will I ever replace it?
strong forum
No
Nothing gets even close to that weapon
The only thing better is the mythic version
trim marten
I'm surprised that even drops from the weekly cache
strong forum
Everything but tierset drops from that
warm plinth
I don't think tier set dropped from the weekly even when they weren't tokens
cosmic wyvern
after using thunderous roar in AoE, is it worth trying to hit as many targets as possible with fervid bite before the DoT wears off
chilly brook
after using thunderous roar in AoE, is it worth trying to hit as many targets as...
It wouldn’t really be more damage
But you could I suppose
warm plinth
Time to tank dungeons
I actually love mine and I haven't played played WoW on it but it ran really smooth
THe set up of WoW was kind of a pain in the ass though
since it's a Linux OS
chilly brook
I actually love mine and I haven't played played WoW on it but it ran really smo...
Currently installing Cyberpunk
warm plinth
If it's a steam game already, it's very easy to use
But WoW requires a few side steps
warm plinth
after using thunderous roar in AoE, is it worth trying to hit as many targets as...
No. At the very best it would be an incredibly minor optimization. And it could be easy to fuck up another part of your rotation if you're frantically trying to tab around to find adds that still have all 3
chilly brook
But WoW requires a few side steps
Not least of which is setting it up for controller
warm plinth
Well, there is that yes
I haven't delved too much into that, but I'm pretty sure WoW is decently controller friendly now
chilly brook
I had the OG steam deck but my mom decided she wanted to get a Disney game but she couldn’t get it to run on her Mac so I let her borrow my steam deck
That was a mistake
So I recently decided to tell her to keep it since the oled exists now
warm plinth
I got mine a few months before they announced the oled one
uneven mason
I had the OG steam deck but my mom decided she wanted to get a Disney game but s...
wat
uneven mason
Just ask for it back 😛
chilly brook
I could but why? She enjoys it and I could afford just gifting it to her
uneven mason
Ok, I thought it was a thing of "Mom won't give me my video game back"
was gonna be like bruh, you 16?
I bought my mother a laptop and a expensive turntable that plugged in USB so she could copy all of her LPs to MP3
it's currently propping up the corner of her old Hi-Fi turntable
chilly brook
She uses it to decompress before bed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
As long as she enjoys it I’m happy eating the cost
uneven mason
yeah they're not that expensive anyway
as long as you're not in Canada
60% markup "Because"
just mapping things out in my head, but Pwar is totally doable on a steamdeck\
chilly brook
yeah they're not that expensive anyway
Yeah it wasn’t the expensive model anyways, but this time I def sprang for the 1TB one. Also oof Canada tax that’s wild
warm plinth
I bought the 1tb one as well
opaque quest
But can it run crysis
I was thinking about buying one too but i rather use my steam link and play on the TV while sitting on the couch with a controller
That way i keep my PC performance but can play where i want in the house
hollow sun
is this a thing or is it wrong? i tried to los it and still took the dot
also, do you have any tips on how to deal with that boss with pugs? everyone just dies to the oozes without knockbacks
hollow sun
it's outdated
thanks
lusty grotto
also, do you have any tips on how to deal with that boss with pugs? everyone jus...
they get knocked back from taking damage, just use aoes
its on the dungeon journal
minor quartz
Hello all! I'm sorry if this is a Frequently asked question, but how do I not get absolutely clapped by the Tree Boss in DHT? I clench my cheeks and rotate CDs but get demolished on Tyrans. Just tried a 21 and got smacked. 😦
warm plinth
Leap away from the breath, rotate defensives w/ SR+def stance for grips
pure willow
how much haste do we wanna stop at?
warm plinth
7100 rating
small marsh
Hello all! I'm sorry if this is a Frequently asked question, but how do I not ge...
I saw a discussion earlier in this vein, iirc one of the resident pro warriors said something like:
1st Grab - Demo + Shield Wall + Dstance + Pray
2nd Grab - Demo + Last Stand + Dstance + Pray
3rd Grab - Demo + Shield Wall + Dstance + Pray
4th Grab - Demo + pre-cooked IP + IP spam + prepare your nether bits for a reaming + Dstance + Pray + Tell your healer you HAVE to have an external CD for this
minor quartz
Noted! Thank you.
small marsh
here we go, found it
oh I missed Spell Reflect there too
I had no idea tree grab is magic (edit: yep, nature damage)
I figured grab n crush would be physical lol
violet flume
would make too much sense
pallid quiver
It's not spell blockable before you get ideas about that, by the way
lethal plaza
Which would be better to roll vault for in terms of m+? The Augury or Rageheart rare trinket from fyrakk?
opaque quest
they get knocked back from taking damage, just use aoes
Epidemic go brr
opaque quest
Which would be better to roll vault for in terms of m+? The Augury or Rageheart ...
Augury is pretty crazy
lethal plaza
perfect, because I'm still hunting for rezens, so that works for me
warm plinth
spell reflect go brr on that +8 witches
flint tiger
is there a certain haste breakpoint we want to switch enchants to other secondaries (e.g; vers for M+)?
warm plinth
opaque quest
every time i lose faith in my nickname
Doesnt matter what name you got. People that cant read stickys also cant read names
Must be a hard life being iliterate
jagged pier
every time i lose faith in my nickname
i dont i believe
same as ghash and @uneven mason i believe they will spread
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
were you in Tj's run?
were kajota the shaman and diznotz the priest in it?
i was watching their clear is why i ask, they were helping our guild lead on a pug run
left basalt
let me look
lusty grotto
was one of the tanks a monk?
left basalt
no dk/pal
left basalt
only took 9 tries, id never even pulled the boss with my guild yet
lusty grotto
would have been an interesting coincidence
left basalt
was fun fight
small marsh
augh im jealous, i spent like three hours doing fyrakk pugs tonight and couldnt get past p2
congrats
just couldnt get DPS that didnt all drop dead by first intermission and do more than like 110k dps
small marsh
heck yeah, I'll get it eventually
honestly tanking raid is a cakewalk compared to tanking M+
blazing condor
For sure
You just gotta endure the hell that is pugging pre-curve then hopefully you can get into pugs who know what theyre doing
jagged pier
Or find a guild
small marsh
working on that
jagged pier
Plenty of guilds that probably raid hc one night get curve fast and stop
small marsh
it's hard tho, blizzard demands 1-1-3 ratio for most stuff, then suddenly raids want like 2-5-13
so no one's ever looking for tanks
I want to do CE prog eventually, just gotta find a group
small marsh
I fucking hate that they don't make multi-tank fights anymore
Four Horsemen we needed eight tanks
blazing condor
blazing condor
it would be fun with a bit more variance
blazing condor
I think the last time i more-than-two-tanked was ashvane in EP
And that was for like one week
Before the cheese
small marsh
what gets me is that they could enforce more tanks by having the tank debuff length scale up as you have more people
is it like, a blatantly transparent way to demand having more tanks in raid? Yeah, so is what they do to force two tanks
jagged pier
But thats not how fights are tuned
And again ppl dont like playing tank
So my force more ppl to do it
Theres a reason why things ate balanced for 2 4 14
Because thats the statistics
small marsh
Enough people like playing tank that finding a pug group as a tank is balls
people dont like playing healer lol
every time I run a group 90% of our downtime is finding healers
jagged pier
I dunno u ask any of the like 20 dps players in our roster to tank
And they all refuse
Happen in my last 3 guilds
small marsh
look at guild recruitment on the forums, it's almost all healer/dps recruitment
like nearly all of it
lyric cape
Cause there are way more spots in a raid for dps and healers. While you only need 2 tanks
jagged pier
Yes because theres more slots to fill and a okay tank is fine where an okay dos or healer can always be replaced
small marsh
I mean, thats kinda my point
theres more tank players than there are tank spots in raiding
even adding a third tank would enormously alleviate it
and you'd still be at a lower percentage of tanks for raiding than dungeons
jagged pier
I mean sure u dont need to spend time in here long but majority of ppl dont like raid tanking
And only m+
Majority of ppl in here dont even pug raid
small marsh
To each their own, that's madness to me lol
I greatly prefer raid tank to M+
but I'm glad people like M+ tanking
it stresses me the fuck out, anything goes wrong and people immediately throw a tantrum
jagged pier
Your in the minority with that opinion same as me
Well thats not why i domt enjoy m+ i just dont enjoy m+ after 10 years of it
And the fact they havent inervated on it at all
Its the same it was in legion to ne
novel temple
bruh, raid tanking with pugs can be even worse honestly
i had some dude say i needed spell block for larodar
blazing condor
Its not tanking pugs per se
Just that pugging in general is a mess
Youre at the mercy of fate
novel temple
then we proceeded to get 3 stacks of extra fire damage and the dk died during charge
blazing condor
Had a cotank on larodar not taunt on charges and then healers flamed me for taking too much dmg
novel temple
nice
blazing condor
He would instead stay far out on charges and wait for orb soaks and taunt so boss would run away from them
analog solar
Guys, are the vers bracers a solid choice for prot in m+? I can only find 2x shadowflame patch in the guides
jagged pier
Not really
analog solar
damn
analog solar
But 2x shadowflame is still the preferred?
jagged pier
Yes.
jagged pier
Not really crazy, the bracers doesnt give u enough of vers to do literally anything with
lusty tiger
Gm Jakey
sick sentinel
past cloak and wrists where else would you put shadowflame craft
say, battle rez wrists, engineer, not very good item
jagged pier
Gm jeree
sick sentinel
but its a battle rez i wouldnt have otherwise
sick sentinel
i did shield and belt because that's where they already were
but i did craft a cloak, just not equiped it with the item
im imagining im gunna put it on cloak and belt, food is on my boots for some reason
torn geyser
Guys i have a funny story
sick sentinel
so, boots is not really great spot either, then again, i have to do 18's all day every day if i want to get myth gear
so its like, i should just craft anyways basically
torn geyser
When i started WoW in BFA i played Prot.
I went into a +5 with friends and we wiped on first pull of adds.
Friends asked me if i was using defensives like shield block and ignore pain.
I told them i thought they were fillers 💀
jagged pier
sick sentinel
@torn geyser this post
sick sentinel
the way this channel talks about me, it might not be on my bars either
torn geyser
xd
warm plinth
Vakash?
Did you actually look at his gear? Because I'm pretty sure our fyrakk weapon shows up on details as vakash
silent vessel
jagged ferry
does anyone know if you can get legendary wep in vault
keen iris
No
forest yacht
just wanted to check, the recommendation to craft shadowflame on wrist and belt
is that also for m+
silent vessel
it is wrist and cloak, isnt it?
median tulip
In the long run, Wrist and Cloak, because those have the lowest stat budget, so you lose the least primary stat from having them 3 ilvls lower.
forest yacht
oh sorry i meant cloak
i just started a warrior, so i wasnt too sure if i should craft it on shield, but i didnt wanna waste the sparks
dull zodiac
ehh about that fall tank trinket
is it ever worth usin
if ur not doing very high keys
hushed bluff
if ur not doing very high keys
cheat death u mean?
dull zodiac
ye
dull zodiac
idk cant say i ve ever died in a 20 lol
but i guess it allows u to do some risky bigger pulls
tawny bane
Are there any M+ builds that are good and run Enduring Alacrity? It seems such a good talent but not seen any builds that ever take it?
ashen coral
There's not a lot of skill you can replace except maybe bloodsurge but it is way less rage i think
median tulip
i just started a warrior, so i wasnt too sure if i should craft it on shield, bu...
To be honest, if you're low ilvl making a Shield is not a bad idea, as Shield ilvl is everything for tanking. And if you are crafting a Shield you might as well put Shadowflame on it.
IN THE LONG RUN you will want to replace it with a Mythic track Shield, but that can wait for a bit. Right now you have 3 sparks, but you will have more than enough later in the season to optimise with.
Right now patching weak spots in your gear, especially Shield, is an entirely sensible strategy. Don't mistake "optimal in the long run" for "better in the short term" (or vice versa).
grim pilot
i just started a warrior, so i wasnt too sure if i should craft it on shield, bu...
grab shield
you're not gonna get better than crafted till u drop from vault anyway
jagged pier
if ur not doing very high keys
unless your doing hte lvl of content where u need it, its worthless
jagged pier
Are there any M+ builds that are good and run Enduring Alacrity? It seems such a...
thats because enduring is bad
theres no point in taking because its bad and because the other things u would have to drop to get it u cant drop
median tulip
That's 1% Haste, right?
jagged pier
median tulip
A talent that gives small amounts of things I already have bucketloads of
forest yacht
@median tulip
this is what i look like now
i guess ill go shield first
im getting my cheeks clapped in 18/19s
median tulip
<@220649471804047360>
Yes, a better Shield than that 424 is a good start. Feet would be a decent second choice.
Get some enchants as well; 2 star enchants are cheap and good enough for disposable early gear.
You also desperately need more Haste
tawny bane
theres no point in taking because its bad and because the other things u would h...
I'm 60,878 stam, 33,094 armor, with it, 57,979, 31,458 without. So it's giving me 2,899 Stam, 1,636 armor and 1% haste. Is that not better than the 20% dmg from champion's bulwark? Or the revenge dmg from show of force? I'm new to warrior so not sure how good these talents are, just seems really big defensively.
median tulip
Do not give up Champion's Bulwark for any reason whatsoever!
Shield Block is more important than anything else you can do
jagged pier
I'm 60,878 stam, 33,094 armor, with it, 57,979, 31,458 without. So it's giving m...
we dont care about stam, and 5% armour is whatever in terms of defence because thats like 1-2% dr on physical damage only so its not really big defensively
u need champions bulwark to keep SB up and that is far greater defensively than 5% stam and armour
u also cannot swap it for show of force or revenge damage
as its bottom tier of the talent tree
so can only be swap for things in the bottom tier
pallid quiver
i mean, you could, actually
tawny bane
I can swap show of force for it
jagged pier
then u have a talent point wrong somwhere
because its here
all your points here
should be spent
tawny bane
median tulip
Thou shalt spend 10 points below the second gate line
jagged pier
yes you take battering ram
so u dont have the spare point
u dont run show of force and thunderlords
1 of them
not both
grim pilot
and with 10.2 thunderlord is equal or even greater than SoF offensively iirc + brings defensive value - so you kinda take thunderlord over show of force in any given scenario
pallid quiver
bounding stride's more of a survival gain than pain and gain this season in M+, and Storm Bolt is a better use for another stop in keys than intervene
tawny bane
It's quite handy when stuff fixates? In TOTT and AD I thought? And on healer for rogue spin in BRH?
okay but I'll swap sof for battering ram
ty
median tulip
It's quite handy when stuff fixates? In TOTT and AD I thought? And on healer for...
Just stun the knife dance. Or have the Priest shackle it to stop the channel.
forest yacht
You also desperately need more Haste
tell that to the gear that drops
haste allergy
frosty mango
Is there any nuance with synced swing timers on large pulls? I’m generally pretty good on the basics when I need to tank, but for example on a fort week if you do a quad pull in everbloom - should you defensive when stops wear off
This would be 21-23 range
Or would sb/ip and 4pc be enough
Nothing this week seems to reduce my health bar from 100 so I’m not too sure
frosty mango
That would be way too easy and logical for me to think of
forest yacht
my gear is bad, but my brain is huge
frosty mango
Well my gear is great but my brain is small, which is why I play fury
frosty mango
I keep my sb uptime in the high 90s and do over 100k overall and by some miracle stay alive as prot - that’s about as big as my brain gets
strong forum
Is there any nuance with synced swing timers on large pulls? I’m generally pret...
you can A/D
to desync melees
slightly outrange some and stuff like that
median tulip
just crafted that shield
Nice
hexed spoke
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScx...
muchas gracias
orchid mural
uhhh... did they remove a group of mobs in DHT ?
rapid jewel
Quick question: Throne of tides, second boss. Do we knockback adds while standing in goo or DD task?
frosty mango
I think you can ravager them?
orchid mural
right after u drop down from the mushroom cap, u have 3 pat, with 4 pack to the right, and then up there's a 4pack to the left. that one is not there last 3 runs
frosty mango
right after u drop down from the mushroom cap, u have 3 pat, with 4 pack to the ...
I think I noticed this last night
strong forum
uhhh... did they remove a group of mobs in DHT ?
that happens when a specific world quest in valsharah is up
sick sentinel
quite wqeird and antique
forest yacht
Im doing EB and on the council boss, the charge is doing insan amounts of damage to me
like 70-80% of my hp
orchid mural
ah interesting, thx Nom
idle quartz
forest yacht
i already sit in defensive stance
i use shield wall for one, and thats fine and like last stand
but then, what do you do for the other ones?
blazing condor
spell block / spell reflect
forest yacht
that works on charge?
jagged pier
well as its nature damage and blockable yes
azure nimbus
Always have a rotation for each charge. 2 charges = 2 WD then last stand then one with spell block try to always have reflect up and anticipate before each charge to stack IP as much as you can
You can call a defensive cd at your healer like when I’m with a priest I ask for first charge a pain supp
When I spread from melee I target the boss caster and rush on him to charge either to heal myself or stack IP with the generated pain from charge and hits
And never turn back on charge ☺️
forest yacht
whats WD
azure nimbus
Your wall
forest yacht
ok thanks
azure nimbus
ok thanks
I forgot your rally btw where you can add it when last stand and wall are on cd
chrome falcon
do we like 1 point in bloodborne or instigate more
jagged pier
just sim it
chrome falcon
but my raid is in 5 minutes
strong forum
with tierset its bloodborne
and if you dont need SW every 1minute
you can put that 1 point of Imp Wall either into instigate or into 2nd bloodborne i reckon
red siren
Hi, in TOT +24 i struggle a lot on the big pack of vicious snap dragon (i don’t play dwarf), and i take 12-16 stakcs of bleed. Except with evoker or dwarf racial i can we manage this ?
jagged pier
do we like 1 point in bloodborne or instigate more
this is my raid build swap one point for spell block when needed, i gave up on instagate when it gave 500 rage of 13mins of raz
pretty sure i get more rage from IW over a fight with how much was SS now
orchid mural
lol. quote of teh day: Rise +22, Alliance/horde boss, the DH says, after dying on siege tank, and the boss, he says, "don't tank boss in corner"
fucking circle platform i m sure...
blazing condor
technically, a circle has infinite corners
orchid mural
not a fan of that boss TBF. specially how you can target the "npc's" by accident
strong forum
Hi, in TOT +24 i struggle a lot on the big pack of vicious snap dragon (i don’t ...
Nobody can manage this many stacks without a cleanse
That's just a release spirit angle at that point
red siren
Ok so without a cleanse it just a die for war tank … ok so maybe i will rerace
azure nimbus
Ok so without a cleanse it just a die for war tank … ok so maybe i will rerace
He said for everyone 😂
strong forum
The dogs you pull with cds and CC management
To blow it up
Cuz nobody wants to tank that pack for long
red siren
Yes but some tanks have better tools like dk pal dh
They can avoid stacks more than a warrior
red siren
DRW with parry, pal with bubble ans dh have more avoidance
strong forum
Every tank will die to that pack if they stay alive for too long
red siren
Yes but some tank can stay longer i think
strong forum
You think
red siren
Yes i don’t try with another tank for the moment
strong forum
Or just get an augvoker that ccs the entire pack infinitely
pallid quiver
listen even dks will asplod if those doggos look at them too long, they can only death strike on gcd for so long
azure nimbus
Or play with cheat death
strong forum
Or a dh with cds that removes the pack in 4 seconds
red siren
Cheatdeath didn’t release stack so
azure nimbus
Yeah but you don’t die
strong forum
Cuz 4min meta was dumb as fuck
toxic pewter
yeah true it was too long
lusty tiger
Cuz 4min meta was dumb as fuck
wtb bfa meta
hey bro i heard u like meta procs in your meta procs
pallid quiver
I think it should be a 57 hour CD and cost 500k per use.
jagged pier
true
strong forum
This is the real classic experience
novel temple
they werent memeing
You heard it here folks, horse boss easier
Horde even
Though speaking of builds, I’ve been liking thunder lord in raid honestly
toxic pewter
Why tho
novel temple
I have t tried fryakk again but the other fights I can align it with avatar and shield charge each time
Same with roar
toxic pewter
Yeah dunno about that one rather have execute procs
novel temple
For ever single one?
jagged pier
well it lines up with every shield charge because its the same CD
novel temple
True
jagged pier
and your literally always in avatar
its 20secs
u dont need demo rdy when u press avatar
novel temple
On larodar*
novel temple
Cause it also seemingly is up for most tank busters*
And I’ve been letting other tanks get externals
toxic pewter
I take it you’re not taking sudden death so you’re also losing out on that talent
jagged pier
run TLs in raid
hardy snow
frosty mango
At what point do you need to run d stance for tyrannical bosses?
I’ve only hit a few scary bosses so far, totem boss in tott after like 22, rezan a little
This is also prob in the guide so you can shame me and point to the pins
forest yacht
@azure nimbus thanks for all the tips
i didnt lose more than 20% hp
on charges
alot of tools i didnt even know worked on those bosses
jagged pier
At what point do you need to run d stance for tyrannical bosses?
d stance is a defensive until u reach like top keys
then u in d stance most of the time
frosty mango
Thanks
sick sentinel
my vault is gunna be giga trash
frosty mango
I got 5 myth vaults so naturally it will be 5 cloaks
sick sentinel
i got like 2 hero vaults and probably veteran
azure nimbus
<@1065365074241409155> thanks for all the tips
Haha my pleasure buddy ! With time you'll think more and more about your rotation, the knowledge of dungeon help a lot too to anticipate your cd def and it will become easier or will help you to reach higher keys really soon ! Enjoy buddy if i can help i'll be glad too
echo egret
Any secret way to not die to spiders in BRH ?
blazing condor
get dispeleld
echo egret
… then get back to 20 stacks in seconds
uneven mason
Any secret way to not die to spiders in BRH ?
Kill them during a stop
tired crystal
Q: Mythic Urctos, can you take 2x frontal every time?
Seems to hit 1.6-2.2m sometimes
just randomly
jagged pier
u dont take double
on mythic
u swap
i mean u can
with SW
but thats not whats supposed to happen
tired crystal
Okay cool, thanks
sick sentinel
because legs have alot of main stat ilvl
that argument is mostly for rings and necks
because you dont get main stat
jagged gust
You still need mastery, just not as much in comparison to the other stats
toxic pewter
i like mastery it owns
strong forum
cuz it only increases attack power marginally
whereas crit vers and haste increase trinket/weapon proc dmg aswell
toxic pewter
honestly i like crit block but when we get our rework I could be happy with a new mastery
sick sentinel
2k for mount this season?
toxic pewter
or a new spin on crit block or something
sick sentinel
im nearly there
strong forum
always was 2k for mount
toxic pewter
i think we can all agree the df m+ mounts pretty awful tho
like how do they not give us a cool dragon riding mount
sick sentinel
should have been, 1k ground mount simple, 2k ground mount epic, 2.5k flying, 3k dragon flying
some like this
toxic pewter
yeah that would of been cool
sick sentinel
harder you trying the cooler the mount you get basically
left basalt
Got lucky on Fyrakk last night
cosmic dagger
Guys how u handle Murozond?? im realy frustrated, even if i survive phase 1 with jumping away in second phase where is no more space to jump i just literaly die....480ilvl and a 481 pala cant keep me alive.....
left basalt
dont everyone get that
I have no idea? I thought it was a random drop?
blazing condor
there's two versions of the manuscript
one thats very rare
and one i think everyone gets
strong forum
I have no idea? I thought it was a random drop?
thats the aotc mount
or well, HC fyrakk mount*
its guaranteed
the pure fire version "blazing fyrakk" is the rare drop
left basalt
derp, well thats why i come here, to get educated. Thanks guys!
strong forum
you got the shadowflame version
left basalt
Its cool looking none the less, better than the M+ mount.
blazing condor
Guys how u handle Murozond?? im realy frustrated, even if i survive phase 1 with...
you sit in defensive stance, you use shield wall / last stand, you use spell reflect / spell block
you use IP
you out range when you can
you use impending victory
hardy snow
always was 2k for mount
it was 2.5k in S3 SL
sick sentinel
ah that key wasnt so bad
strong forum
keys are gud
managed to squeeze out 8 keys today on my 445 rsham
even got 2 portals done
sick sentinel
died to stairs spiders but thats about it
blazing condor
also got two more portals today
went away for a week so gotta catch up
keys feel hella safe rn
strong forum
this season is just really chill idk
keys are actually fun
in s2 and s1 every key felt like a chore
toxic pewter
yah these dungeons own
toxic pewter
ngl not really looking forward to the df dungeons coming back in s4
i assume it will be all 10
or maybe 6 and 4 old ones or something
toxic pewter
then again sl season 4 had all the mega dungeons
and the 2 from wod
could see some cool theme or something
ashen coral
Hello, is there a reason why we want to stop increasing haste at 7100 ? Diminishing return of 20% is before no ?
dusky canopy
Bruh rise is honestly so annoying
blazing condor
theres different levels of diminishing return
dusky canopy
been trying to pug one all weekend on 22
blazing condor
you get more and more DR at certain thresholds
ashen coral
you get more and more DR at certain thresholds
Yes but irrc first DR of 10% (requires 10% more haste to get same percentage) is at 30%, second is at 39% for 20% (requires 20% more), and next is 47% for 30 % (requires 30% more) ?
But 7100 is 40.55% (without wild strikes taken in account) so I don’t get why we stop at 7100