are most raid teams not really running Prot?
#protection
pseudo rapids
warm plinth
Well, if you go by parses, we are one of the two least represented tanks
Which doesn't really say anything of our viability
pallid quiver
Prot War's not particularly popular when it's not considered the best tank, so that's not surprising
pseudo rapids
I guess why is it the least popular tank is my real question
pallid quiver
people just don't like to play it on average is probably the biggest thing
jagged pier
because its not considered best
warm plinth
Well it's not if you go by parses; druid is less popular XD
jagged pier
if its not considered best ppl dont play warrior
pseudo rapids
Just cleared heroic today and going into mythic I might move off Arms to Prot because both of our tank players are burned out on tanking lol
pallid quiver
Another part is that the community generally also just prefers playing reactive tanking styles more on average, hence why you see more BDKs and the like
Prot War's got a fairly solid kit for this raid, particularly since Spell Block actually blocks a notable amount of stuff, so it's not like you'll be crawling on the ground begging for the grace of whatever deity takes pity on you
you just have to actively press a lot of your buttons before the bad thing happens and not after
bleak breach
Fury does good damage, BDK is the best spec of DK and vengeance got Uber buffs. We’re just good, most teams just pick a fury warr or whatever buff/debuff they’re missing.
queen hemlock
hey em how is flourishing dream helmet vs set helm
violet ginkgo
if its not considered best ppl dont play warrior
But I like warrior. I haven’t really try other tanks, so I can’t say much but prot war is quite simple to understand, a bit hard to master.
pale karma
Uneducated people have this outdated notion that warriors are worse than other tanks.
It's quite stubburnly persistant.
Top 0.01% isn't really useful because they'll play whatever gives them the slightest edge, not what class they want to play.
I'm not very expeirenced with other tanks but prot does have a lot of buttons to push and things to keep track of.
(but we have shields like any true tank should sooo)
blazing condor
All tanks are in a good spot
potent gulch
hm . are there sim string for new head enchant that we recive next week?
jovial smelt
boys im just playing prot as an alt (healer main) and im making p good progress but i need some advice, Im bricking dht keys because I cant survive 2nd boss, Im not able to generate enough rage to keep ignore pain up and having to use shield wall on 2x grips then I have nothing left, Any pointers?
im also just sitting in defensive stance 24/7
neat blaze
Good morning warriors! I'm undecided whether to use Ember of Nullification or Gift of Ursine Vengeance primarily as a m+ trinket. As a main trinket I use Fierakk's Tainted Rageheart. Thanks in advance to who will answer me 🙂
median tulip
boys im just playing prot as an alt (healer main) and im making p good progress ...
In pugs I run the Immovable Object talent so I can have Wall for every Grip. You can also use Spell Reflect (its Spell Damage Reduction component works on the grip as it's Nature damage) and ofc lots of Ignore Pain.
In addition, it's possible to outrange the fire damage from the breath by jumping max distance directly away from the boss, which means you will have more Ignore Pain for the grip.
median tulip
Good morning warriors! I'm undecided whether to use Ember of Nullification or Gi...
Of the two, I would run GoUV; EoN is ok, but with the way mob casts work now (as opposed to how they worked in Legion), most M+ spellcasts go on other members of the party, not the tank.
pale karma
boys im just playing prot as an alt (healer main) and im making p good progress ...
Assuming you're talented with Impenetrable Wall, Anger Management, and Thunderlord you should be able to rotate between Demo Shout, Last Stand, and Shield Wall while throwing in Spell Reflect as extra. You could swap something out for Bolster to reduce Last Stand's CD. It will likely burn through all your IP so you'll be relying on CDs. Be sure to also use Impending Victory after the big damage hits for its self heal.
I wouldn't stress about stance dancing personally until your survivability is solid.
hardy snow
boys im just playing prot as an alt (healer main) and im making p good progress ...
leap away from breath, so you dont waste ip on it and have more for grip
ionic fern
Full IP + Full Rage bar before you get grabbed + defensive stance, plan your CD's, don't blow everything at once.
IV/LS/healthpot to get yourself up.
I usually also tell the healer "External me for first grip" to reduce the changes of us overlaping defensives.
neat blaze
@median tulipthx man ❤️
potent apex
Hello warriors, my main is fury but I decided making prot alt to experience tanking as well. I watched all and made my weak auras and tests on dummies. Where should I start doing m+ content? My gear is 470 4pc, are keys like 6-7 low enough? 😅
ionic fern
+20
potent apex
I am doing 19s as fury, but this is just for practice 😅
ionic fern
Jokes aside, +15/16
Don't do below those.
Stuff won't hurt there and/or dies too fast, so you don't get a hang of what to do each pack.
15/16 is a solid middle ground of stuff not dying too fast, not hurting too much, but enough for you to experience which packs are dangerous and notice when you mess up your mitigation.
potent apex
Great, thank you very much!
jovial smelt
Assuming you're talented with Impenetrable Wall, Anger Management, and Thunderlo...
Cheers lads im not sure what exact talents im running im p sure I just ripped them straight from icyveins, I find im using revenge(?) and execute far too much shall I just remove them from bars or just get better self control
this is my gear so I defo was playing it wrong I should be able to slap an 18 no problem
lost wyvern
on waycrest tree boss, should i clear stacks every thorn or every 2 thorns?
+20 and above
ionic fern
Never.
Well, 20/21 you don't really need to (depending on your DPS).
If it feels wonky, do it once at 50% boss HP.
lost wyvern
what if lightning strikes underneath boss through rng
ionic fern
Unfortunate.
Move the boss if you can, otherwise hope for the best.
Happened only once in my m+ adventures so far.
lost wyvern
i guess blame healer
ionic fern
Well, if you reset every 2 thorns, like in your question, i'd blame the tank.
The boss deals no damage to you since it's all blockable damage.
Resetting once at 50% boss HP is smooth sailing - just inform your healer before you pull the boss that you plan to do so.
lost wyvern
his stacks increase the aoe fire damage right?
ionic fern
Yes.
lost wyvern
kk so once u commit you cant go back on it
ionic fern
Jep. 50% is a more or less "safe" reset point if you do it once per fight.
At least was not a issue on a 24.
lost wyvern
how many stacks did he have on that reset
ionic fern
🤷
hollow sun
Yes.
Have you ever payed attention to how many stacks you can handle in a 24? I am extremely undergeared at the moment and was having second thoughts when tanking him on a 17
ionic fern
Nope.
On a 23 that i logged, it was 45 stacks at 50% HP.
On a 20 that i logged, it was 65 stacks when he died.
blazing condor
As long as the stacks dont truck the rest of my group i dont see why youd reset
Unless it really starts hurtin
sick sentinel
on waycrest tree boss, should i clear stacks every thorn or every 2 thorns?
its more about the timing of when u clear the stacks
so u dont clear them when someone, like the healer, is trapped by roots
and cant heal you, or if they are dps, it makes it so they cant do a dr
but generally its, whenever, you, the tank, takes too much dmg, ppl are full hp and not trapped, cuz it does a ton of fire dmg to everyone in party
depends what DR's you have ready, if you have SW ready for execute phase, you can probably let it stack to heavens
median tulip
kk so once u commit you cant go back on it
Yep. On Tyrannical I clear a couple of times and then commit. On Fort I just tank it the whole way without clearing. But I have the luxury of having a static, so I know that my DPS is good and will take it down in a set amount of time.
sick sentinel
my question is, does it deal dmg to the tree
median tulip
The worse your DPS are, the more times you will have to clear stacks and the later you can commit.
sick sentinel
and if so, how competitive is the dmg and if so, is it worth it to do fires every 15 seconds say
median tulip
Also don't actually walk through the fire to reset; I was on my healer alt earlier and the pally tank would walk slowly backwards through the fire to reset.
sick sentinel
if thats the case, now we have a very interesting discussion at hand
you dont even your self have to go in the fire
you can like, leap beside a far away fire, and walk behind it
making him los to you
median tulip
You absolutely should no go in the fire; it hurts. That guy was an atrocious tank
sick sentinel
it does hurt, but its not like super duper lethal
obvious fire is obvious fire and is obviously quite warm because its large and orange
solid cargo
The pro play is to walk through the fire, die, then say "this healer..." In chat before leaving
sick sentinel
i legitamitely have never ever wiped to that boss that i recall besides, i stand in the fire, i die, or i/we didnt free the roots
and someone wasnt like, all greens
or like, they were asleep or trolling
that is i think legitmately, the easiest boss in all of mythic +
past, present and future
no contest in my mind, not even close, like by a mile
same sort of with gorak tul at end of dungeon, never ever wipe to him unless people are 4 iq
sudden burrow
how mutch crit/haste/versa need an prot warry ?
sick sentinel
tldr haste moste important of secondaries
sudden burrow
is there no haste cap ?
sick sentinel
doesnt really matter what else, but techically, versa pulls ahead on single target slightly, and crit slightly on multi target (keys, add bosses)
sudden burrow
i mean im nearly 6k haste 😄
sick sentinel
@uneven mason uses his name to convey answers to common questions
used to be haste cap, he knows it for sure
7100 or 8100 is tldr when to stop gaining haste from gear, but that is a LOT of haste, big haste
sudden burrow
maybe to mutch
sick sentinel
pmuch its like 480 ilvl all slots haste, some first stat haste
and like, cheesey, bad haste stat stick trinkets
uneven mason
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You're looking for @lusty grotto
uneven mason
Nah I just did this last night, the previous time was "Splock requires shield block"
strong forum
It does
uneven mason
Because this season #1 question has been about haste, but #2 was "how do I not get fucked by tree/deios"
We also have @warm plinth
lost wyvern
Yep. On Tyrannical I clear a couple of times and then commit. On Fort I just tan...
i just pugged a 20 and didnt clear a single time, took zero damage until around 20% left with like 60+ stacks then it started kinda hurting but overall was perfectly doable
median tulip
i just pugged a 20 and didnt clear a single time, took zero damage until around ...
Yeah, the level of the key does also affect things ofc
opaque quest
Higher keys = easier cause less idiotic teammates
uneven mason
As long as you don't get a pug healer who forgets to take their Xanax and quits in a blind panic when he hits 50+ stacks
median tulip
When I'm healing I outright prefer tanks that can commit (as long as they can handle it ofc); fewer targets to heal, more time to cast Holy Fire and Smite
uneven mason
Like bruh
median tulip
from a healer perspective, committing is actually a LOT less work
Even a really big Crush is just a Power Word: Life and it's all good
uneven mason
Yeah they are used to tanks who reach "one shot" range eventually
Meanwhile we just 🛡️
median tulip
I think I could probably live through a 99 stack Crush from full HP in Def Stance
lost wyvern
ignore pain bar drops but never health bar 
sick sentinel
Because this season #1 question has been about haste, but #2 was "how do I not g...
why are ppl scared of the tree?
i dont understand why
uneven mason
Breath dot + grip on Hugh tyran can murder us
sick sentinel
the tree does a dot frontal?
grizzled nova
the tree does a dot frontal?
Yes?
sick sentinel
oh, ok, i never really have issue with it
grizzled nova
It's a large hit + dot, that we can leap every single one is very useful.
sick sentinel
oh, wait, we could be talking about wrong tree bosses
grizzled nova
It probably won't kill you to take natty, but just not taking an extra 5 million damage in the fight is pretty cool.
sick sentinel
cuz theres BRH has a tree as well
grizzled nova
it does?
sick sentinel
right, so are you guys talking about dht tree?
cuz i dont know hardly anything bout him
uneven mason
grizzled nova
frontal hurts but generally you don't want to use any defensives on it because the grip will actually kill you if you don't have defensives for it
grizzled nova
but the frontal happens every 30 seconds, so with 30s leap talent we can leap every single one and take no damage from it
sick sentinel
i figured the breath was related to the final boss doti dragon
grizzled nova
which is nice
uneven mason
They overlap the last tick of breath and first tick of grip
uneven mason
i figured the breath was related to the final boss doti dragon
That one too
solid cargo
So wall up towards end of breath?
grizzled nova
You'll at a minimum have dstance + reflect up for every grip, as well as demo shout if you're running thunderlord.
And we can leap all the breaths
so pwar is pretty well suited for the boss
uneven mason
Even dstance and SR it can murder us on high tyran
So yeah always having a big CD going
grizzled nova
I'm just saying that tree boss is cake on my pwar compared to my ppala.
strong forum
Spblock does nothing for the grip
devout basalt
Better to leap breath or leap throw at the end of grip?
jagged pier
breath
grizzled nova
Better to leap breath or leap throw at the end of grip?
Leap the breaths 100%.
devout basalt
grizzled nova
Otherwise you're prayging you'll get your hp+IP buffer back before he squeezes you.
If you want to extra tryhard you can take intervene in dht.
and intervene someone when he tosses you
uneven mason
Spblock does nothing for the grip
Thought it mitigated the nature
grizzled nova
But that's very minimal gain for a whole ass talent point
uneven mason
Explains why I was getting punched even with it up
uneven mason
That's a question with a lot of variables
zealous willow
do u play in aoe fights for set
strong forum
Yes
zealous willow
i feel like i press less revenge cus of traing to min max set
strong forum
Tott is fixed
grizzled nova
BRH/TOTT/EB are all fake log keys, unfortunately.
strong forum
Ozumat dmg is removed from details/logs
grizzled nova
oh that's good then
strong forum
Ye that's pretty good
zealous willow
i feel like i do something in aoe
zealous willow
ah so its class
i was like do i try hard much for set and miss some revenge casts idk
vocal flame
120-200k ig?
I am 461 and am nowhere near that haha I am def doing something wrong. That is only a 2pc set tho
vocal flame
breath
are you all leaping breath about 2 seconds before? I tried and it seemed a little early or the DBM timer might be off. I leap and he walks towards me and then does the breath lol
strong forum
i leap during the cast
vocal flame
ooooo ok
strong forum
just make sure nobody is behind you
vocal flame
copy that thank you
strong forum
EB and BRH
grim pilot
Ah ye I havent really tanked those yet
strong forum
altho i did 190k in EB cuz we wiped twice to 2nd boss
but woulda been more than 200k without the wipes
grim pilot
I only did brh once while I was like 460 or so, cant recall how much
And I dont think I tanked eb yet
I really like fall tbh because of 4 drakes pull and 1st area lull
strong forum
technically not that worth
its only 3ilvl higher than m+ drop shield
ideally you wanna craft items youre never gonna replace first
plush tendon
well we have 3 crafts
strong forum
and 486 shield gets replaced by any myth track shield
plush tendon
really the only things you will never replace are embellished items (bracers back) and maybe a ring?
strong forum
ye
dusky canopy
I’d do wrists/cloak/ring
plush tendon
I see nothing wrong with making a shield if you just gearing up tbh
bright plume
so i still pray for lootluck?
strong forum
well if youre absolutely desperate craft it
but are you doing stuff that NEEDS that shield
bright plume
424 is kinda terrbile isnt it?
strong forum
or is it just a "i want it angle"
dusky canopy
If this guy never does keys higher than 16 then I’d say craft a shield
Otherwise do not craft a shield
plush tendon
bright plume
im doing 20s with 450
plush tendon
then no shield
dusky canopy
Ok then wait for a vault shield
plush tendon
get M+ shield
bright plume
aight
mild jolt
424 is kinda terrbile isnt it?
you can just spend the low crests and craft a shield on 447, that suits for most shit and dont sets you back on sparks
dusky canopy
Or a M+ shield yeah
bright plume
true
strong forum
it sucks having a 424 but if youre doing them already it wont get harder than it already is
bright plume
so bracers first?
plush tendon
if it was your fourth craft, I would say you have more leeway
strong forum
its not like "oh shit we wanna push keys today so i need a shield asap"
bright plume
aight
plush tendon
so bracers first?
bracers and back are best embellished slots
bright plume
back with shadowflame?
bright plume
so no vers embellishment on wrists?
dusky canopy
I play allied wrists/sf cloak
solid cargo
Shadow bracers are preference over allied.
I think bracers are slightly better for fury/arms and you don't lose much on prot. It's not a massive difference I don't think
bright plume
tyvm guys
solid cargo
It's pretty much dealers choice
vocal flame
as someone who doesn't raid how often do you get that 486 spark? I know we get the low level ones every two weeks?
strong forum
you get a spark every tyr week
and a catalyst charge every fort week
the upgrade materials come from doing 16+ keys or mythic raid
you dont get those as "drops" from the raid
plush tendon
almost at the point where aspect crests will be worthless XD
strong forum
yeah i hardly need upgrades
plush tendon
tough thing to get is Wyrmm crests for my alts
solid cargo
Yea gearing up is cake now. Took my warrior from 418 (season 1 gear) to 460 in less than a week.
plush tendon
we love it
next week is also gonna be huge
3 cata charges + aotc/ksm tier token
gonna be massive for the rats
dusky canopy
Yeah Ive been holding off on DK rat just for this reason
All I want is the normal tier tmog
No plans to work hard for it
chilly brook
yeah i hardly need upgrades
Same, sitting at 481 equipped
solid cargo
All I want is the normal tier tmog
The DK tier is so fucking clean this time
Our helmet looks dumb
plush tendon
All I want is the normal tier tmog
I need the LFR and Normal set
Heroic and Mythic are sooooo mid in comparison
echo egret
Is the Flourishing Dream Helm an interesting craft ?
warm plinth
We also have <@255696891000389633>
I am important
warm plinth
Is the Flourishing Dream Helm an interesting craft ?
Nope
echo egret
👍
azure smelt
How much % dmg per key does heroic gholak usually do for you guys?
strong forum
3-4
azure smelt
Damn so like another trinket
vocal flame
thank you sir! I will have to look into that I just started dipping into 16s.
strong forum
Damn so like another trinket
My signet brand does like 9% 😄
azure smelt
Gdamn raid gear so good this tier
strong forum
Every tier
azure smelt
Came back from slands hoping i wouldnt have to raid
strong forum
If you're not even clearing normal raid you're hard trolling your gear
bright plume
could we swap ravager for battering ram?
azure smelt
If you're not even clearing normal raid you're hard trolling your gear
Im 480 without raid gear but still 3 pc. Would u use normal signet ovr 483 rezan?
strong forum
Yes
ashen coral
Hello
How do you manage the bleeds in throne of the tides ? I tried it in +24 (a bit too high for me though) and i just can't do anything i die in like 10 seconds after I got the bleeds, even with all my cd and my rez trinket
Unless everyone has full burst + aoe stun i just don't see how you do this
azure smelt
Hello
How do you manage the bleeds in throne of the tides ? I tried it in +24 (a...
I went dward today for that dungeon alone
strong forum
You answered your own question
You do this by having your group ready to blow up the dogs
strong forum
i have disrupting shouts talented
Idk I don't find it that useful in weekly keys
ashen coral
I went dward today for that dungeon alone
That racial is too strong for real
strong forum
I'd rather give up bloodsurge than battering ram to get disruptive shout
Losing 7k+ dps
To get an occasional aoe interrupt
warm plinth
Most mob casts end up staggered. Disrupting shouts usefulness is overestimated in my opinion.
vagrant jay
someone help with god dam orkheart in DHT M+
warm plinth
Leap the breath, def/sr for every grip and rotate other CDs
strong forum
Rotate sw and demo for grips
vagrant jay
thats fine its the fucking cruchs haha
azure smelt
To get an occasional aoe interrupt
You mean an "oh shit the demon hunter/ret pally didnt even give me one global" button
strong forum
You don't need disruptive for that...
vagrant jay
like is it still ment to slap that hard after defs?
strong forum
You have aoe taunt without needing disruptive shout
strong forum
like is it still ment to slap that hard after defs?
No
I didn't even lose HP on the grips where I had sw ready
You know you can still attack the boss ye?
azure smelt
You don't need disruptive for that...
Thats what i mean you rarely ever get to use it the way you want
strong forum
You have impending victory for every grip aswell
Also coordinate with your healer to give you external on every 2nd grip if he has one
So like sw - external - sw - external
Should be mega safe
vagrant jay
You have impending victory for every grip aswell
oh thanks that will also help alot thanks
finite veldt
For m+, which talent is better? "Impenetrable Wall" or "Defender's Aegis"?
I feel like the Value in having 2 SW back to back, but also the cooldown reduction from the Aegis seems kinda nutty.
patent osprey
You want to something along the lines of
1st Grip Demo Shout, Spell Reflect, SW
2nd Grip Demo Shout, Spell Reflect, Last Stand
3rd Grip Demo Shout, Spell Reflect, SW
4th Grip Demo Shout, Spell Reflect, Bake alot of IPs with full rage bar (Or Healer External)
5th Grip Demo Shout, Spell Reflect, SW
jagged pier
IW is more SWs overall and more rage
plush tendon
Impenetrable Wall will net more SW casts overall and more rage
patent osprey
For m+, which talent is better? "Impenetrable Wall" or "Defender's Aegis"?
I f...
Impenetrable Wall always atm 🙂 Personally haven't found any use of double SW on any fight/pull this season, even at high key levels
plush tendon
Defenders Aegis only benefit is giving two SW charges to be used in quick succession
jagged pier
aegis is niche and used in very certain circumstances at cutting edge lvl of play
if there is a niche at all
finite veldt
Fantastic, thanks for the help boys !
plush tendon
You want to something along the lines of
1st Grip Demo Shout, Spell Reflect, S...
that looks like the exact same CD usage as Temple of Jade 3rd boss XD
patent osprey
that looks like the exact same CD usage as Temple of Jade 3rd boss XD
Nah Temple of Jade 3rd Boss Looked something like this
First Debuff: Send Everything and pray you live
2nd Debuff: Just die
3rd Debuff: Reroll Prot Paladin and hit immunites/WOG everytime
4th Debuff: Time Key
bright plume
KEKW
@patent osprey if u had to chose between ravager and battaring ram for keys what would u pick?
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> if u had to chose between ravager and battaring ram for ke...
Ravager
bright plume
ty
slow needle
Hey guys, I just started Prot warrior and I quite like it. I might even like it more then BrM 😄
I do have a question and maybe its a stupid question but I cant seem to find a good answer to it. How do you use IP?? do you want to have a 100% uptime on it or only use it for when you get a magic attack?
grim pilot
You might as well just spam IP to simply dump rage and reduce avatar cd via anger management
And generally yes 100% uptime on IP is good since it doesnt mitigate just magic
slow needle
Oke, but it doesnt overlap right? so when you have IP up you wanna dump rage on revenge?
grim pilot
Keep dumping on IP
Revenge does less damage than TC and SS
Even if you are capped on IP
next axle
Silly question, but what are the recommended embellishments?
I have rolling shadowflame on my crafted shield
next axle
Understood, thank you!
If running shadowflame x2 then that means cannot use vers wrists right?
The allied wristguards
eager lodge
Correct
plush tendon
the vers wrists arent bad though; especially if you multi spec and they are bis for your other specs
next axle
So in that scenario it would be vers wrists and 1x shadowflame?
plush tendon
whatever is best for your dps spec
I cant really speak on whats best for fury and arms
but if you play those in raid or often enough, its generally better to gear for those first
and use the same gear for prot
queen hemlock
how is the tindral helm recipe for tanks?
jagged pier
bad
jagged pier
im pretty sure its not good for anyone
fluid shard
Q for you pros in here! On heroic smolderon, since the tornados circles are random for the first cast, are you supposed to taunt if the current tank gets a circle so YOU get hit with the soak a couple seconds after, or can the current tank eat both circle+soak?
fluid shard
oki
so in that case when current tank gets a circle, it's a quick taunt juggling like 4-5 seconds apart
cool, thanks!
timber nest
Exactly
restive scroll
Low importance though
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/TJosTBh.png @shut summit REEE
strong forum
his kill is 3min faster
timber nest
@strong forum what fight?
vocal flame
Understood, thank you!
Lots of good info in the Pins and FAQ as well!
strong forum
i was surprised to not get r1 and the ofc its sense
grim pilot
smolderon LFR
Idk I cant log lfr for some reason
I noticed that in s2 when I went lfr and I always have auto logging turned on
fair topaz
is 446 a good ilevel to start tanking in mythic+?
strong forum
perfectly fine ye
fair topaz
nice
strong forum
we all started at that ilvl 3 weeks ago and basically jumped straight into 16-20s
strong forum
we all started somewhere
fair topaz
maybe the issue is i'm pugging
strong forum
pugging is always harder and more demanding than actually required
restive scroll
Not an issue, just gotta learn.
restive scroll
takes time
sick sentinel
they wont tell me what key this group is for.,.....
listed as 2 brh, (learnding run)
they say, no go to drustvar when i ask poratl to take
fair topaz
bro what is the point of not telling you the key 💀
either it's too high and they're scared you're gonna leave or it's a completely different dungeon and they're just misleading you for some reason
sick sentinel
watch it boots up and its +22
i dont even have any yranical score for brh or throne
lusty tiger
https://i.imgur.com/TJosTBh.png <@105027920459776000> REEE
u guys r so kawaii
modern gazelle
On final boss of AD where should everyone be positioned to start with?
modern gazelle
And then move to the corner after first soul rend?
modern gazelle
And for the following soul rend do I move boss or no?
strong forum
and try to all cluster spiders behind boss
you always move boss
to preposition away from spiders
modern gazelle
Like I was moving boss along the inner rectangle while they placed soul tends on outer corner of where I had boss
strong forum
yeah thats fine
if they can coordinate that
but always make sure that there are no spiders behind you
always just behind boss
modern gazelle
How do you keep spiders from getting in front or behind me as tank? Cause some spawn across the room away from the main cluster of spiders
And they can cause the issues
strong forum
DPS not baiting behind boss
they spawn based on player position
if your group is all over the place, youll have spiders all over the place
if your DPS are standing ahead of you, then they fuck you over
modern gazelle
So at start, we can all stack in the cubby and then they move to a corner for soul rend?
strong forum
yes
modern gazelle
Then start going corner to corner?
strong forum
roughly like that ye
and if you have some shitty spiders, just go to the other side
and re-cluster em
modern gazelle
Should I be following inner rectangle or just tuck outer with them
strong forum
outer imo
the entire group huddling up in the corner doesnt work as much anymore cuz you cant kick boss
and she likes to cast wracking pain right after soul rend very often
modern gazelle
Then do I just move boss like 5s before soul rend or do they go to the next corner with soul rend and I follow
left basalt
we had a group yesterday on an +18 that had 2 paladins, bubble blow up spiders made it super ez
strong forum
that fucks you over in longer fights
cuz you shit up the floor
with impassable shit
those zones dont disappear
left basalt
the 18 didnt matter, but i can see in higher 20's yearh
modern gazelle
So basically we all go into corner, spiders get baited. I then move boss away, soul rend goes off, everyone kills adds and goes to next corner
Rinse repeat?
uneven mason
So basically we all go into corner, spiders get baited. I then move boss away, s...
Yeah just did an 18...
strong forum
so gotta be aware of that too
uneven mason
Had poo all over the center of the room because they'd be out in bumblefuck for soul rather than on the wall
modern gazelle
Fight is so hectic. Trying to time it at a 23 and it’s rough with how many spiders spawn
strong forum
its only hectic cuz people lack spacial awareness
its a quick decision making boss
pure positional boss, and not getting 1shot from soulrend
toxic pewter
Was wracking pain or whatever always reflectable
toxic pewter
It’s pretty sweet
strong forum
same with tott
uneven mason
Only targets the tank if all the DPS are dead
strong forum
reflecting crushing depths
strong forum
the drowning debuff
modern gazelle
I had a 9.5mil reflect against the bats on dht yesterday lmfao
toxic pewter
Ok right
strong forum
bat reflect is fake reflect
they heal 1-1 how much dmg they do with the disease
so its net 0
toxic pewter
You said it’s basically a deflect in the past
modern gazelle
Why you ruin my big number fun
strong forum
modern gazelle
Also any tips for rise?
toxic pewter
Interrupt volleys
modern gazelle
Is it just needing high damage? I can’t find out how to make up time and it’s always soooo close
strong forum
its pretty straight forward
we had like 13 minutes when we got to last boss this week
didnt feel that tough
toxic pewter
Which boss is hardest you guys think? Ngl I think time lost battlefield most difficult for me in pugs
uneven mason
I thought I was suffering from tank anxiety for the first time ever, just realized it's pug anxiety
toxic pewter
Just the adds
strong forum
I thought I was suffering from tank anxiety for the first time ever, just realiz...
yeah pug anxiety gets me aswell
toxic pewter
Yeah the battlefield is rough if pugs don’t bait the shockwave and kill archers asap
uneven mason
Like I just get anxious about having a group turn out to be a pack of window lickers
toxic pewter
Yeah pugging def is rough out there
toxic pewter
Sand boss in fall?
strong forum
they leave if 1 kick goes through
uneven mason
What’s up with people dying to the sand boss though
Zoomers never used a rotary phone
Or a typewriter
Or did the time warp again
modern gazelle
Yeah in fall. I always have people die there and it’s like…walk in circle…
modern gazelle
Luckily that timer is beyond free
strong forum
Yeah in fall. I always have people die there and it’s like…walk in circle…
can be pretty frustrating as healer if you fall behind
dusky canopy
Counter clockwise DN
strong forum
true tho
toxic pewter
Counter clockwise DN
strong forum
ever since removal of the tankbuster the boss is way comfy
dusky canopy
Yeah once you learn how to time the orbs it’s very easy
The slime is the worst one imo
strong forum
yeah
toxic pewter
arms fun as hell i love they removed IP from the situation personally
not sure how that change is received by most people tho
strong forum
i dont, cuz youre now so fucking squishy
dusky canopy
Yeah ngl I liked having ip as a spender to build Tom and fuel am
I hated it when we had it
But now that it’s gone I realize I prefer it
strong forum
i never disliked it
i miss it, and ill play it over fbv
fucking trickle healing who cares if i get 1shot on a boss smile
strong forum
I think it also shined a bit in SL
plush tendon
Elemental (and shaman in general) is such a cool spec/class
toxic pewter
yep
silver crane
hey guys ! sorry for silly question but addons are linked to cpu or ram ?
grizzled nova
hey guys ! sorry for silly question but addons are linked to cpu or ram ?
both
you can get a profiling mod that collates exactly how much process time and memory individual mods and weakauras are using
silver crane
okk thanks ! @grizzled nova
cosmic dagger
Hello, guys in Everbloom on second boss, is the Los tactic fixed? Or I'm too big with Tauren to Los it?
plush tendon
its fixed
so is the Avade tech
but its been nerfed quite a bit since, so its not nearly as punishing as it was
cedar scaffold
Ok, is prot warrior really the easiest tank to play this patch? Before I break out my 392 warrior and start gearing him just looking for confirmation. I have pally and dh that I can gear up too, but prefer the simplest one so I can focus on the dungeon.
plush tendon
The variance in difficulty between tank specs is not high enough that it should dissuade anyone from playing what they want to play
urban portal
Until blood gets leggo
pallid quiver
the rotation priority is extremely simple
SS > TC > Revenge
It's probably among the easiest of the tanks if you can press fast enough, but pretty much all of the tanks are easy enough to play
plush tendon
Until blood gets leggo
i dont think the lego complicates anything does it?
pallid quiver
It locks you out of your rotation during the effect
so death strike banned for, uh
i forgot how long it lasts so i'm just gonna say 17 years
plush tendon
3 seconds
pallid quiver
18 years
urban portal
i dont think the lego complicates anything does it?
I’m saying blood could pull ahead quite a bit once leggo becomes common
solid cargo
3 seconds is a long damn time to not DS in keys lol
trim bay
not the best idea
i mean its ok
but if u dont want to use both
for mitigating abilities not on CD b4 wall
bleak breach
I’d say PWar potentially has one of the highest skill caps. It’s relatively easy, but probably the most unforgiving tank if you get anything wrong.
patent osprey
Buff Prot Warrior
urban portal
Blood and pwar
bleak breach
Blood? Blood is easy, you just don’t die
bleak breach
Buff Prot Warrior
Make us meta again
novel temple
They should just revert all of this expansion’s nerfs
And maybe IP do like 75% absorb
solid cargo
Should revert it to how it was when it first came out
bleak breach
Should revert it to how it was when it first came out <:okayge:91764681251973943...
Nope
Classic sucks
glacial venture
do I use rend as prot warr?
solid cargo
I just meant ignore pain lol
novel temple
Should revert it to how it was when it first came out <:okayge:91764681251973943...
If only, that shit almost helped me almost solo mythic mannoroth back in WoD
bleak breach
I just meant ignore pain lol
Ohhh haha. Yeah we were immortal then so probably not fair, would be nice though.
solid cargo
Just infinite absorb shield or something.
Health bar literally never moved at the beginning of legion iirc.
solid cargo
Didn't even need SB
novel temple
Then they gut the shit out of it
solid cargo
They nerfed it by like 80 percent or something lol
bleak breach
Used to be uncapped and a 90% dr for absorbed amount
Then they put a cap on absorb, then changed to 50%, then was on GCD for a while and now we’ve got what we have.
novel temple
Having CDs on the GCD has been one of the worst design philosophies in this game ever
waxen frigate
celestial brew
waxen frigate
cant wait to be disappointed
why
blazing condor
kink
waxen frigate
do you think i care
solid cargo
Absorb amount plus the % deduction
Iirc they nerfed our rage gen at the same time so we went from the tankiest tank to ever tank to literal ass in one nerf.
Glad they now nickel and dime nerfs because that SUCKED
urban portal
Idk why you complaining about a myth chest
blazing condor
cus im stupid
thought it was hero for whatever reason and i already had hero tier
left basalt
How many times do I have to run AD for a heroic rezans 
bleak breach
How many times do I have to run AD for a heroic rezans <:sadgers:102252608227824...
Infinite
left basalt
thats what it feels like
woven torrent
How many times do I have to run AD for a heroic rezans <:sadgers:102252608227824...
i got a vault rezan and it feels like it does piss damage ngl
left basalt
i have champion, but my ilvl
woven torrent
lowkey feels like a sim bait...
flat stratus
@woven torrent uptime for a dung ?
and the % damage
i dont have rezans and i am farming it
terse cairn
How many times do I have to run AD for a heroic rezans <:sadgers:102252608227824...
35 and counting. Took 25 runes to get my champion version.
woven torrent
not sure if i can find an M+ log
but in raid its good ig
im not the best by far
flat stratus
cause i have signet and branch
woven torrent
but this was a random pug hc
grim furnace
should we be aiming for 30% haste before we start dumping gems into mastery?
flat stratus
for prot ?
grim furnace
yeah
flat stratus
40% is the sweetest spot
i'm playing into the fray on m+ right now cause i dont have much haste
flat stratus
40% is the best % to have your spells keep rollin . tried playing 35% and i am waiting for my spells to be used xD
flat stratus
if you dont have much haste play into the frey
woven torrent
lusty grotto
if you dont have much haste play into the frey
NO
vocal nimbus
opposite actually
lusty grotto
OPPOSITE
flat stratus
cause i tried with and withou into the fray
vocal nimbus
you play ITF after 5.4k~ haste
lusty grotto
☝️
dusky canopy
its in the name
vocal nimbus
dont look at %
flat stratus
and i have haste vers weapon
vocal nimbus
check the raw amount
grim furnace
40% is the sweetest spot
oooh i was way under then lol, i thought it was 30% lol
dusky canopy
oh yeah you need at least 26% crit 36% haste and you have to much mastery Drop about 2%
also you need more block
anything over like key level 11 wont be doable
vocal nimbus
broskis not reading smh
fair topaz
cache of amirdrassil treasures gave me a 473 ashes of embersoul
the haste debuff doesn't look very nice to me, but it's still a higher ilevel than any trinket i'm currently using
dusky canopy
Honestly should just make a new warrior and re gear it
lusty grotto
oooh i was way under then lol, i thought it was 30% lol
dont listen to that guy, he has no idea what hes talking about
waxen frigate
bro is yapping
grim furnace
lol i figured cuz 40% isnt feasible haha
dusky canopy
You literally cannot play the game unless you have 39.5% haste or more
lusty grotto
it absolutely is
waxen frigate
lol i figured cuz 40% isnt feasible haha
well thats not true
fair topaz
imagine not having 70% haste
lusty grotto
its just not an important number
dusky canopy
wait no 39.6%
lusty grotto
my nick is the improtant number
dusky canopy
thats the sweet spot
grim furnace
i mostly want enough haste to lower my global cds to 1 sec, that way i can faceroll better in high keys
mighty valley
you're all my sweet spots
grim furnace
giggity
strong forum
Turn out completely unbuffed I have exactly 6800 haste and with vers phial I have exactly 2000 vers
Can't make this shit up
dusky canopy
NIM! I'm disappointed
strong forum
I'm clean af
lusty grotto
doing a key
flat stratus
i mean that's how i learned to play it since i never asked anyone help just looking stuffs on wowhead . ahahaha i'm sorry if im giving bad infos xD
vocal nimbus
you may even get fake values due to ITF stacks
grim furnace
i still got a long way to go tbf, only 5116 haste
dusky canopy
well i'll be damned, im at 39.32% haste hahahaha
damn just shy of the required 39.6% to do a 20
better luck next time champ
grim furnace
damn just shy of the required 39.6% to do a 20
vocal nimbus
wasnt that for an 11?
vocal nimbus
for a 20 you would need 39.7% at least
flat stratus
i didnt have 39.7 to do my 20s
lusty grotto
the fuck are these stat requirements lol
dusky canopy
were talking about how you MUST have certain stats to succeed
lusty grotto
okay
flat stratus
guess i need to change my rings
grim furnace
This is from armory, so it shouldnt include any buffs, right?
flat stratus
yea i tried to play vers this season
how it feels
cause i always played crit haste since s1
lusty grotto
@warm plinth
flat stratus
and some says vers is better
lusty grotto
read that nick
grim furnace
i tried getting it to 200 but my dwarf isnt angry enough
strong forum
Needs more angry
flat stratus
i had a friend that is mad at me atm who is good at war prot xD can't ask anyone
fair topaz
I got the same trinket susyphus
well according to the raidbot sim it gave me about 5k extra DPS
strong forum
Damn you must've had really bad trinkets
dusky canopy
<:BestStat:832223279610724362>
strong forum
i had a friend that is mad at me atm who is good at war prot xD can't ask anyone
All the memes aside, you can always ask in here. Im half decent myself at prot I'd say
left basalt
i dont know shit about fuck
strong forum
Ah him
flat stratus
yea
vocal flame
What happens in a tie?
toxic pewter
game rerolls the players that are tied
waxen orbit
Yo can someone post that “I just press buttons” meme real quick?
Need it for a guildie
strong forum
toxic pewter
nothing encapsulates wows community as well as that meme
waxen orbit
Thanks dawg
vocal flame
LOL
strong forum
We're all grugs here
strong forum
This was made back when 99s were still orange
I shan't change the ancient scriptures
pallid quiver
I'm fairly positive I'm on the left end of this chart, but warcraft logs says otherwise
sick sentinel
im chanting the ancient scriptures
pallid quiver
I shan't change the ancient scriptures
This is behavior worth of utmost respect.
sick sentinel
im trying to play some old obscure game and record it, and watch a streamer, and so i have to mute it on pc and listen on phone
jagged gust
This was made back when 99s were still orange
modern gazelle
do you guys lust mini bosses or firs tboss on rise tyr week?
strong forum
We lusted tyr and lost battlefield
tacit gorge
as protection is 476 fyrakk weapon better then volcoros haste versa sword 483?
jagged pier
ye
pallid quiver
as protection is 476 fyrakk weapon better then volcoros haste versa sword 483?
it's better than 489s
as soon as you get a normal gholak or above, your only upgrades are gholaks.
I haven't actually thought about LFR Gholak, but it's probably close to same boat, but not quite? i dunno would have to sim
vocal flame
LFR is prob the only way im getting mine haha
long orchid
How much crit do you want as prot before going after haste vers gear?
vocal flame
pretty sure you wanna target haste first before crit vers
mighty valley
there aren't hard rules, you just take ilvl upgrades and sim for the small stat differences
dusky canopy
400% haste
vocal nimbus
400.23%
mild jolt
back on track with hase, currently on 7k, still need to put mastery more down into crit now
lusty grotto
k
chilly brook
do you guys lust mini bosses or firs tboss on rise tyr week?
lusting mini boss is silly on rise
mild jolt
i had the problem, i felt low on haste, and as result the gameplay didnt feelt that good. so i farmen and craftet
chilly brook
regardless of week
jagged gust
why is stats like 80% of what people talk about
I think it's something tangible to latch on to
mighty valley
which is easier - reviewing logs and watching your own play to find ways to improve, or saying "hmm i should have more vers"
toxic pewter
we even got a guy that is named stats dont matter
shut summit
toxic pewter
chilly brook
I think it's something tangible to latch on to
because no one wants to admit they could be the problem and it must be some sort of itemization or something outside their control
novel temple
didnt they see the meme
Where meme 🦧
novel temple
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/...
This meme 🦧
teal swift
🪼
modern gazelle
What are you guys lusting on fall?
Been doing first boss but 2nd is what everyone struggles with
jagged gust
Depends on which skip you wind up doing
strong forum
First pull and 3rd boss p3
novel temple
First pull and 3rd boss p3
No matter the affix?
Or just fort?
Or is it tyr this week?
toxic pewter
this week it is tyr
azure nimbus
What are you guys lusting on fall?
I take everyone first pull + bl then pack before first boss with boss. Bl second boss and last. You can skip almost all the pack between third and last doing that way. Other option is invi pot start Bl first pack + boss
strong forum
No matter the affix?
Yeah I'd say so
If you got balls you pull all of first pull into boss + lust
pallid quiver
everything entirely and skip in last corridor
modern gazelle
all of first pull is everything up top
then i pull pack at bottom, and i insis last hall
first pull on tyr is easy though even on a 22 key i ran, so i dont feel its that worth lusting tbh
pallid quiver
it's not that you lust it because it's hard,
you lust it because it lives longer than 40s
vocal flame
@strong forum Thank you again so much about informing me about the crests. Was able to craft a cloak with shadow and next bracers. Yeah!
topaz pond
Anyone know the WA/addon that warriors use to say "spell is spell reflectable"
toxic pewter
If you got balls you pull all of first pull into boss + lust
u think pugs are able to do that cuz i wanna start doing that
vocal flame
Anyone know the WA/addon that warriors use to say "spell is spell reflectable"
In the FAQs
patent osprey
If you got balls you pull all of first pull into boss + lust
Nom getting pugs killed since 2019
pallid quiver
chronogank
strong forum
Nom getting pugs killed since 2019
I only kill my friends
patent osprey
Every high key when im pulling i think to myself… do I have balls?
Not, is everyone dead in 30 seconds
pallid quiver
if they die, skill issue
chilly brook
if they die, skill issue
They should have just been fury warriors
Just live everything
mental ermine
ok...
pallid quiver
Imps before Volc, I wager?
mental ermine
yep
novel temple
Not, is everyone dead in 30 seconds
Pugs are friends, not food
pastel sleet
how do i track spell reflection damage in logs? i cant find it and im trying to learn
urban portal
They remove it in logs
hardy snow
its not removed, its just not your dmg, you have to check for dmg done by mob to himself, there is command for that, but I dont remember it exactly now
pale karma
How do I avoid Oakheart's breath in DHT? He turns and follows.
hardy snow
How do I avoid Oakheart's breath in DHT? He turns and follows.
leap away
hardy snow
away from boss
pale karma
I still got hit if I turned 180 and leaped
pallid quiver
if you tried behind you, you're either slow as hell or you didn't go anywhere
hardy snow
25yd I think
pale karma
Ok I'll try again next time. What about teh bloodseekers - kite?
vocal flame
I still got hit if I turned 180 and leaped
if he does it while you are mid leap y ou get hit with the dot
i learned the hard way, you gotta time it just right
modern gazelle
k its official rize comes down to dps doing damage lmao
same route, but with a 5 stack and we had 7min left still on the 21, def just been a pug issue
cinder nova
Yeah the packs aren't really easy to parse from looking when to send CDs
So people just hold for an eternity idk why
modern gazelle
when should we lust on EB in higher keys? 24 specifically
big 1st, 2nd boss and last?
azure smelt
Anyone have a good stun dr weakaura? The top one on wago used to lag me so hard back in bfa when i used it
lusty grotto
i think plater has a mod for it
its been a while though, you kinda just know nowadays
idle quartz
I love AD so much all the way up until that final boss QQ No idea why DPS struggles so much with that last boss.
Just went from easy +3 to 7 wipes and me leaving on a +20
pallid quiver
i mean, you should have just solo'd it after the 2nd wipe
they had their chance to play the game, now it's yours
pallid quiver
it was really fucking bad, particularly for tuesd
pffff
that mage name is suspect
lusty grotto
my guess is that everyone farming to get specific slots is done
and youre left with dogshitters, you can luck out with some alts though
lusty grotto
i played some finals earlier, was fun
except for the fact that everyone is a bullet sponge for some reason
they need to reduce the ttk on it, and it'll be great
jagged gust
On larodar, the trees are 100% cc-able right?
modern gazelle
except for the fact that everyone is a bullet sponge for some reason
Hit your headshots. And use the good guns 🙂
Everbloom 2nd boss trucks bro. I was fighting for my life in a 24 of that
worthy briar
So rumor has it warr getting some love 22% damage buff???
daring marlin
pallid quiver
he's overdosed
lusty grotto
Hit your headshots. And use the good guns 🙂
doesnt matter if youre used to warzone and bf ttks
its not even comparable
its overwatch slow-as-fuck ttk
and of course i hit my headshots
ive been FPSing since quake 2
modern gazelle
what class do you play?
lusty grotto
scout obv
modern gazelle
light?
lusty grotto
yeah
modern gazelle
you use the pistol?
lusty grotto
ive used it yea
modern gazelle
cause that shit slaps
lusty grotto
doesnt really matter
ttk is way too high
headshots arent supposed to be 3-4 shots
1 shot or 2 shot is okay though
modern gazelle
bruh you want a light class to 1 shot headshot xD
lusty grotto
modern gazelle
pretty sure the ttk is fairly comparable to like bo4
lusty grotto
i have no idea, i didnt play that shit
modern gazelle
Rip it was pretty goated. Best cod since bo2
violet flume
is the sim wrong or am i stupid, i thought haste was always no1 dps stat for us
ah is it because i ran it as dungeon slice
modern gazelle
Don’t dungeon splice
violet flume
what is recommended to sim as?
i do M+ only
so dungeon slice seemed like it made sense
lusty grotto
ST: 1T patchwerk 3 mins lust only your buffs
Keys: 5T patchwerk 1.5 or 1 min NO lust only your buffs
modern gazelle
I personally just sim single target and run my raid gear mostly. The difference is non existent even in high keys really
violet flume
thanks nim
modern gazelle
And general rule is haste and crit till you feel you need more verse which isn’t till you are pushing the highest keys
violet flume
yeah ive been doing that, was just curious
haste still sims bottom for 5 patchwerks 1.5min self buffs only, interesting. It's not as bad though. I'll try single target..
lusty grotto
its probably because youre hitting diminishing returns
doesnt take away from the fact that its still beneficial
warm plinth
Haste is the top secondary recommended because it's a solid damage stat and also our best defensive stat.
Not because it's always top damage (because it's not)
violet flume
makes sense, last time i simmed in s2 it was highest by quite a bit
sick sentinel
is the sim wrong or am i stupid, i thought haste was always no1 dps stat for us
Haste gives survivability for prot, not only damage
cinder nova
ITF is just bonkers.
novel temple
Will I get an augury or a 1h on fryakk this week
modern gazelle
No one else wants the 1h basically so if it drops it’s 99% yours
warm plinth
I actually forgot that butcher's block was a thing again this season lol
novel temple
Oh snap, I also all of a sudden have 6482 haste now too
frail fern
stupid question protection and looking at wowlogs for spec set up ...do we spec damage ?
pallid quiver
what do you mean spec damage