yes
#protection
warm plinth
sick sentinel
ok, my cloak is only item with no haste
and i dont like it
makin cloak or farm some dungeon till one drops
nocturne vine
What about the GIFT of URSINE
ionic fern
Jeh, fine as well.
blazing condor
We dont go augur?
ionic fern
I honestly can't remember all the trinkets from the top of my head.
If that's the raid DPS one from fryak, then yes
go that also.
blazing condor
restive scroll
What boss are we talking about here? Pure mono like volco?
Because for me that's usually the other way around
teal swift
@ionic fern 👋 how goes
grizzled nova
Something else is the issue if they're ripping off you at that differential
Someone is taunting something
You should be able to hold threat on over 500k sustained single target if you're doing 90k
lost wyvern
What boss are we talking about here? Pure mono like volco?
Because for me that's...
you're able to do 150k st dps as a prot warr?
restive scroll
you're able to do 150k st dps as a prot warr?
Nope, sorry, missed the ST in your message.
I do about 110~
But I usually have off tanks that do 40-60 k dps
restive scroll
does the 1h from last boss worth it ?
bis
restive scroll
yeup
onyx pike
sick sentinel
thats all i can think when i see that thing
cant listen to that crap for more than 15 seconds
teal swift
Then why did you link it
I love kids music, MLP soundtrack is banger af. Especially some of the songs from Equestria girls.
But I also love Disney music, and other things.
zealous willow
do u craft ur items with haste crit or haste versa boys?
zealous willow
Wafting devotion
ty
lone wren
I love when joining a murozond rising +2 and u finish as second dps as the other dps did not knew their class .
restive scroll
do u craft ur items with haste crit or haste versa boys?
I do mostly mm+, so I craft with crit. Both should be fine otherwise
zealous willow
i do m+ 95%
sick sentinel
Then why did you link it
once you hear this type of song you cant unhear it
teal swift
once you hear this type of song you cant unhear it
Fair, I could probably sing it if I had to
sick sentinel
like micheal jackson or some other unique song or artist
teal swift
I just like kids music always have, it's upbeat, cheery, has good hooks, is easy to listen to
sick sentinel
the game im playing atm is like ohorror movie music+doom music
miltary bass crap and then like aliens and creepy sounds when no combat
cunning oar
So, question about Spell Block and Noxious Charge / Discharge in Everbloom.
Was in there last night, and I checked the block spreadsheet and it said that it was blockable with spell block, when I tried it, though, I still got wrecked. Is there a way I can check a log or something to see if it actually did anything?
grizzled nova
So, question about Spell Block and Noxious Charge / Discharge in Everbloom.
Was...
If you don't have shield block up when he hits you, then spell block isn't guaranteed to work.
It's a buff that lets your block chance, whatever that is, work against spells, so you still need to keep shield block up for it to be effective.
graceful kite
So, question about Spell Block and Noxious Charge / Discharge in Everbloom.
Was...
you need to have shield block up while spellblocking to guarantee it
grizzled nova
But for that boss generally, if you aren't comfortable stance dancing every 15 seconds, then just stay in dstance, don't try to game casts with reflect, just use it as a defensive for the charge as well, and cycle your other defensives for every charge.
Honestly since the nerf the boss is extremely manageable, it hits ish-hard, but it shouldn't be actively killing you if you're using defensives appropriately.
cunning oar
Ahh! I didn't know Shield Block needed to be up, too. That makes a lot of sense now.
We were able to get it down (it was a 19, which is my highest attempt so far), but I wanted to make sure I was doing all I can do mitigate that damage. I got pretty good at getting out of the discharge quickly, but felt bad that the charge kept hitting me so hard.
Correct me if I'm missing something, but I was basically just utilizing shield wall and last stand as my major defensive CC's. Keeping shield block up and trying to stack as much ignore pain as possible.
But now that I know about Spell Block's requirement, that will probably help.
grizzled nova
Yep
At a minimum you should go into dstance and have either reflect or demo shout up for every charge, so pwar has very significant dr against every charge, and with wall and spell block woven in, we take very little damage from that boss, comparatively.
cunning oar
I usually sit in dstance the entire dungeon (don't feel comfortable enough yet to know when to stance dance.
reflect will lessen the damage, but it's not reflectable, if I'm correct?
grizzled nova
reflect will lessen the damage, but it's not reflectable, if I'm correct?
Yep, reflect has some good use cases for the reflect part of the ability, but even if/when it does reflect, you retain the magic DR portion of the buff for the full duration.
You'll be using reflect far more often as a general magic dr than you will to actually reflect things on pwar.
green bronze
branch is also really good, pumps comparative numbers
cunning oar
You'll be using reflect far more often as a general magic dr than you will to ac...
It almost seems like reflect needs to be used on cooldown, then.
grizzled nova
On trash, more or less, if you're taking magic damage and there's nothing important you need to reflect in the immediate future you just send it.
For bosses, loads and loads of them do magic damage to tanks that isn't reflectable, but you still want to send reflect for the dr on those mechanics.
On a few bosses, particularly Lord Waycrest and Archmage Sol, reflect will be by far the highest portion of your DPS as you can reflect tank mechanics more or less on CD.
dusky canopy
Got council down last night!
Also Larodar prog
cunning oar
That's amazing. Need to be better about learning which abilities can be reflected.
forest fern
quick tier set question. If as the pins indicate fervid bite procs way more through usage of ignore pain for rage consumption, would this mean(at least in single target scenarios) its more beneficial damage wise to burn rage on ignore pain over revenge?
toxic pewter
i was able to get signet brand over 5% in every dungeon except tott ( can prob do better if i try again) love this trinket
grizzled nova
quick tier set question. If as the pins indicate fervid bite procs way more thr...
You should always be doing this, yes.
Revenge is a button you press if ss, tclap, demo shout, ravager, troar, and shield block are on cooldown, you have spare rage, and want to fish for a ss reset.
uneven mason
quick tier set question. If as the pins indicate fervid bite procs way more thr...
Because of how the tier set works you won't have the GCD for revenge anyway since when SS consumes bleeds it resets TC
The only time you'll press revenge is if SS is not reset by TC
forest fern
k so rage usage essentially exclusive to IP with tier, outside of shield block requirement?
uneven mason
Kinda - you still occasionally have to fish for SS resets
grizzled nova
You still want revenge in there to apply deep wounds in aoe, but yes the overwhelming majority of your rage will spent on IP
uneven mason
And that
forest fern
awesome, thanks for the confirms
tender tulip
do you know what enchant do you want on weapon these days for M+? frozen devotion?
or is it just sophic now?
forest fern
isn't it shadowflame wreath?
actually i guess that's more single target, prob sophic yeah
forest fern
wowhead at least indicates wreath for single, and "defense" sophic
doesn't indicate "aoe" i assume its recommending sophic also
tender tulip
yeah, who cares about defence 😛
forest fern
well its prob more sophic does both i guess
uneven mason
Can't hurt you if they're dead
tender tulip
Can't hurt you if they're dead
this, if i wanted to be tankier i'd just use def stance, but who wants to do that eh
lusty grotto
do you know what enchant do you want on weapon these days for M+? frozen devotio...
wafting
lusty grotto
isn't it shadowflame wreath?
no
and no to the next line in your comments
its wafting, not sophic, not anymore
lusty grotto
yes
forest fern
k sweet, thanks for the info
lusty grotto
the only exception is if youre capped on haste
see my name
and that's unbuffed not counting ITF
lusty grotto
yeah i wouldnt doubt it
dusky canopy
NIM
Our holy paladin got the axe last night on our pre mythic raid, heroic fyrakk kill
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
First guildie to get axe and its the healer lmao
uneven mason
First guildie to get axe and its the healer lmao
This has been pretty consistent
lusty grotto
idk about that we'll see what happens with chipadin
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
Dude your guild man
They sure love their holy paladins apparently
That’s truly wild though to give gholak to a holy paladin
Oh I misunderstood u talking about the legendary axe
lusty grotto
yer
toxic pewter
I use that helm myself
blazing condor
cinder nova
9100 haste rating
You still simming haste gems/enchants?
runic night
Hey guys, looking for a bit og input, currently not sure what I should craft as my 3rd crafted piece. Anyone care to help me out?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/adachi
uneven mason
should i get more haste, im at 5000 atm
More is better just don't sacrifice ilvl for it
cinder nova
You really don't need crafted pieces beyond wrist and cloak with shadowflame embellishments.
If you wanted one, a ring with flavor pocket is a common take, but also not really necessary.
runic night
Yeah I was either going for Ring with flavor pocket or Necklace with Flavor pocket
willow tulip
is this normal in single target im basically doing thunderclap - ignore pain - shield slam to proc the tier set. im just spamming that dno if correct for dps
uneven mason
That's basically it
cinder nova
Yeah, but again, I can't stress it - it's not a mandatory thing by any stretch of the imagination.
99.9% of players just use flavor pocket to avoid eating every pull or after a death. It's not gonna make or break any pull or run.
willow tulip
only have the 2pc yet tho
cinder nova
If you got the dime and want the little QOL from it, ring is the move. We want either a good heavy haste neck or the Volc neck.
runic night
Currently I have the Vers/Mastery neck from BRH, or the Crit/Mastery neck from Darkheart, haven't been lucky with the neck from ToTT yet
hardy snow
If you got the dime and want the little QOL from it, ring is the move. We want e...
isnt nymue neck better?
toxic pewter
tott best neck
cinder nova
isnt nymue neck better?
Not by a very large margin, and the proc we can reliably trigger.
strong forum
Nymue neck is crit/haste
hardy snow
Not by a very large margin, and the proc we can reliably trigger.
can we proc fire shield? or only nature shield from fire procs?
cinder nova
It's a full stat neck + proc.
toxic pewter
feelsbadman
cinder nova
Just fire,I don't think we can do nature
lusty grotto
volcoross neck is dogshit
hardy snow
its just 100k nature shield once per minute 🤔
toxic pewter
tott neck
cinder nova
its just 100k nature shield once per minute 🤔
Is it seriously just 1ppm?
strong forum
Yes
hardy snow
Is it seriously just 1ppm?
ye, according to tooltip it has 1min cd
cinder nova
For the memes, then
strong forum
For monks it's good ig
Cuz they get 60% more value and can proc both I think
And good stats for them iirc
cinder nova
How do they get 60% more?
strong forum
Celestial fortune
Works on all and every absorbs and heals
Including trinkets
Or gear procs
dusky canopy
You still simming haste gems/enchants?
I’m memeing I have 40% haste
hardy snow
all and every? isnt it % chance to occur?
dusky canopy
Like 6300ish rating iirc
strong forum
Absorbs are 100% chance for X% increase
toxic pewter
does their talent that increases healing taken for party also work like that
strong forum
And heals are X% chance to be 100% increased iirc
cinder nova
I’m memeing I have 40% haste
I'm at 7900 and some change, suddenly everything is telling me to swap to crit bits and bobs.
toxic pewter
well yeah 7100 is the limit generally people enjoy
cinder nova
Trying to make sure I'm not getting clowned
strong forum
Nim
cinder nova
What's the point of 7100
cinder nova
Ah that'd be it
toxic pewter
just get to around 6800 unbuffed cuz howling rune brings you to 7100ish
imo at least
toxic pewter
XD
tender tulip
i heard 7099 was the point to aim for
anything over that...even 1 more haste.... too much
😉
green bronze
my profile shows 41% even though i only have 6647 haste
lusty grotto
do i look like an asymptote to you
strong forum
That's cuz we have haste multipliers on talents
Like ITF and that class tree talent whose name I forgot
Was it cruel strikes?
lusty grotto
its pretty clear in my nickname
strong forum
Rating, not %
violet ginkgo
can we actually reach that rating? seems quite high
lusty grotto
yes we can
toxic pewter
yeah i got a neck that gives me 1383 haste rating alone
warm plinth
Like ITF and that class tree talent whose name I forgot
TC btw
toxic pewter
Should be 1337
xd
green bronze
its pretty clear in my nickname
do we need ITF along with 7100 rating?
just fixed my gear to have 7100 rating, do i drop ITF now?
plush tendon
ITF gets stronger the more haste you have
since is unaffected by diminishing returns
strong forum
And a multiplier
plush tendon
isnt it an additive not a multiplier?
plush tendon
strong forum
The thing about haste is, it's not just a scala from 0 to 100% or w/e
When you're at 0% haste, you're at your normal speed
Meaning true 100%
Cuz that's normal action speed
You can get into negative haste with debuffs but that doesn't mean your gcd is infinite
So if you're at 30% haste, you're at true 130%
So if you get 10% from ITF
You do 130x1.1 and get 143
plush tendon
uneven mason
Then add lust
strong forum
That's why ITF gets better the more haste you have
plush tendon
You do 130x1.1 and get 143
143*
uneven mason
Which is why the GCD cap isn't 100%
plush tendon
is that how racial % stat increases work to?
strong forum
No that's actually true ikari
uneven mason
But something a bit lower
plush tendon
like Gobos 1% haste would be like (in this example) 130*1.01?
strong forum
1.5 is base gcd
uneven mason
O right
strong forum
*energy classes gcd is 1s but not hasted that's why they generally don't like haste
uneven mason
Less compression in their rotation
Also why haste was completely garbage for warriors until they added GCD compression in....WOD?
lusty grotto
i think it was WoD
uneven mason
I remember haste still being cringe in mists
Because enrage was still linked to BT crits
And prot just had 1 stat "vengeance"
Aka "C'mon fucking hit me"
solid cargo
Tank balance in mists was wild.
lusty grotto
as far as haste goes, swing timer speed up happened in wrath
uneven mason
as far as haste goes, swing timer speed up happened in wrath
TBC
winged slate
Haste also didn't affect bleeds for a while there
lusty grotto
hmm
uneven mason
Haste rating was added for melee in TBC, I remember it being 11:1 at first and stupidly op, to the point they had to nerf the vanilla librams
lusty grotto
true
uneven mason
I was using drakefist and blackout mace with the haste proc meta before they normalized the procrates
100% uptime on 45-70% haste
I pulled aggro
A l o t
But that's ok because my pvp gear made me crit immune and gave me like 1500less hp than the tank
Ahh the good ole days
SWP is when they split melee and caster haste, and gave melee haste gems, but by then it was I think 17:1 and rage gen had been normalized vs swing speeds
And that's your history class for today
:tmyk:
Right, no x server emoji
abstract pilot
well was not expecting to get this lucky
strong forum
Based
uneven mason
well was not expecting to get this lucky
chrome falcon
ok wait
am i dumb
(don't answer this)
for a ravager @ cursor macro, wouldn't it be better to do @ mouseover
because that way you can't cast it in the fucking ceiling?
pallid quiver
i almost answered it even with the parenthesis smh
dusky canopy
I keep seeing gholaks drop and they keep going to other guildies instead of my offspec
Smh
pallid quiver
Have you tried setting up remote controlled explosives in the residences of your other guildies who can use Gholaks, so when they win, you... dispose of them before they can get it?
nocturne vine
Guys, assuming you always keep PROPHETIC STONESCALES for pushing, would you pair it with an heroic GIFT OF URSINE hoping it get fixed or youll wait for a more reliable trinket?
nocturne vine
Not a good trink then
pallid quiver
Better than a lot of trinkets, worse than others
nocturne vine
And it does dmg
pallid quiver
Most of Ursine's damage comes from the strength stacks
so it doesn't show on details particularly well since that bit of damage is buffing your SS, TC, everything casts instead of having its own funny slot
pallid quiver
for a ravager @ cursor macro, wouldn't it be better to do @ mouseover
by the way, do you want an actual answer for this or no
pallid quiver
Mouseover is a target function
chrome falcon
yeah no dw i know i just tested it
pallid quiver
And you can't cast a grounded ability at a target
chrome falcon
no no you can
it works
it will only cast ravager if your mouse is on a mob/player
pallid quiver
It shouldn't, since they removed the @target functionality last I had checked
but it also wouldn't surprise me if it works
Does it chuck it at their position still?
chrome falcon
yeah it does work, if your mouse isn't on a target it will say "i need a target"
but if it's over something it will cast
uneven mason
Isn't that @mouseover
pallid quiver
yeah, he was asking why use @cursor instead of @mouseover
So Ravager won't get stuck in ceilings/walls
uneven mason
Because sometimes I like putting it on the floor above me and bricking my wcm 19
pallid quiver
but if it's over something it will cast
Okay, so it won't directly casts like @cursor does, it still pops up the targeting reticule with just @mouseover
chrome falcon
yeah it's pretty clunky
pallid quiver
I'd have to get to a funny area instead of Valdrakken to see if it still lets you mouseover enemies/players and get it stuck on the ceiling still since I'm not super familiar with mouseover stuff since I don't heal often enough, but
median tulip
I mostly use Ravager @heavy mirage TBQH
pallid quiver
I have both player and cursor macros
median tulip
Same. But I press @heavy mirage a lot more
uneven mason
I mostly use Ravager <@275259884273139712> TBQH
This, I have a shift mod for @cursor
pallid quiver
Same
dusky canopy
Smort I might snag that
Shift mod for using it pre pull
Then it just works the rest of the fight
strong forum
@cursor superiority
hollow sun
no mod: @cursor
mod:shift @heavy mirage
uneven mason
I used to just use @cursor but id occasionally press it with my mouse behind me and it would launch like max rage into dirt
uneven mason
So @heavy mirage is base and cursor is mod
uneven mason
That player dude probably holds the record of most pinged discord user
pallid quiver
You can avoid the ping or use any other special characters by putting \ in front of it
@heavy mirage
it shows as the above when you do so
hm
it borked this time
hollow sun
You can avoid the ping or use any other special characters by putting \ in front...
too much work 
pallid quiver
It's notable for other characters, as well
_like if you want just raw underscores_
instead of italics
uneven mason
Sounds like it would be easier for player to pick a different name
modern gazelle
Gift of ursine fixed yet?
modern gazelle
How’s the damage mitigation and damage dealt looking?
uneven mason
Since it either gives big armor and damage or raw avoidance I'd think good on both
It's good, probably not pure damage trinket good, but id use it if the ret paladins would stop stealing it
nocturne vine
How’s the damage mitigation and damage dealt looking?
Im getting good and bad feedbacks on that
I got it hero in the vault and really cant decide if pick it up or get mythic boots
pallid quiver
How’s the damage mitigation and damage dealt looking?
Mid
It's not bad, it's not the best trinket
Nome was saying it gives like 2% STR averaged out from the stacks, the proc and the end is disappointing. There's better trinkets, but it's fine to have
nocturne vine
Would you take it instead of mythich hase vers boots?
pallid quiver
I'd take the Myth track boots because you can potentially get it as a drop from raid
Myth boots will only come from vault for most people
And you can farm up a sandglass which is also a decent trinket overall
uneven mason
Would you take it instead of mythich hase vers boots?
You'll generally take anything myth track items because you probably won't replace it, and flightstones are hard AF to farm this season
Rather tedious and annoying to farm
cosmic wyvern
Does ursine vengeance still synergise super well with the rageheart
nocturne vine
Thanks for the suggestions
cosmic wyvern
Someone is clearly watching you do m+ through the window and trying to steal your gamer secrets
sick sentinel
damnit, i knew my windows was hacked
uneven mason
sick sentinel
ill megahurts u
cosmic wyvern
Oh my god the discord mobile app just changed, what the fuck did they do
uneven mason
Moved messages to the bottom bar
cosmic wyvern
This is so ugly wtf change it back
sick sentinel
i type 90% on pc
cosmic wyvern
Does rageheart still work super well with ursine vengeance
sick sentinel
which # boiss ordere kill do haste trinket come from
uneven mason
Translate
sick sentinel
in order of kill them
which boss does it kil from
which number
its a haste trinket from the raid, burn out
cuz, if its the second boss
i can go in and farm that shit on mythic
if its boss 8, fuck it
gloomy vortex
Hey all, looking for an execute weak aura to tell me when I get procs to use pleaes
I think it is sudden death
ebon loom
Go into your WA select new from template -> Icons -> Buffs -> Sudden Death.
dusky canopy
Swiping right auto reply’s now instead of member list
Maybe nice qol once I get used to it
Oh shit I think “Mars” might be bis theme
Or “midnight”
quaint bloom
Hi. New warrior main and trying to tank keys. Got smacked down HARD in 22DHT on the tree boss. Is there a trick besides Defender's Aegis double shield wall to survive the crushing grip?
karmic hatch
spam ignore pain 😛
quaint bloom
...is that really it? 2M in 3sec, and all you get is ignore pain? 😭
violet ginkgo
I mean normally we just spam it anyway right to proc that set bonus.
karmic hatch
yep, and you can heal once every 25 s with impending victory, :x
and call for externals
vocal flame
Hi. New warrior main and trying to tank keys. Got smacked down HARD in 22DHT o...
jump out of breath, defensives, call out for extra healing, def stance etc during grip
primal crypt
is prot warrior viable for high keys
strong forum
yes
cosmic wyvern
Yeah the tree boss in DHT hits us like a fucking truck
cosmic dagger
Hello Tanks, please where can i find the updated Spell reflect WA? in FAQ is some old version
cosmic wyvern
If you don’t have shield wall up, you need an external or a fuckin chad healer
For every grip
The other shit doesn’t really hurt tho
pallid quiver
Hi. New warrior main and trying to tank keys. Got smacked down HARD in 22DHT o...
Double shield wall is less shield walls, actually, as a heads up. If the fight lasts a meaningful amount of time, you'll actually get less DR over time. I think if it reaches 3 or more go arounds, that should be the break point.
Anyway, you want to leap every breath before grip so you don't have to use any defensives on that, first off.
For grip proper, you can use SR on every single grip, so you should, you can be in defensive stance for every grip, which you should on any relevant key level, and iirc you should be able to IV every grip, as well, so those baseline should always be used. After those, rotate other defensives as you can/are needed. So Shield Wall the first one, LS and have Demo for the second one, Shield Wall should be available for the third one again with proper play, etc
Other than that, remind healer that grip hurty and to ask for externals if you can (Blessing of Sacrifice, Ironbark, etc)
modern gazelle
can you side step the charge in darkheart on 1st boss?
pallid quiver
once you get knocked back, yeah
quaint bloom
Other than that, remind healer that grip hurty and to ask for externals if you c...
Thanks so much!
pallid quiver
or you charge back in for free rage
vocal flame
he kind of follows you for a second so dont get dps killed lol
pallid quiver
Make sure DPS are in the way so DPS get killed
cosmic wyvern
I don’t risk trying to sidestep the first boss charge tbh. It doesn’t do all that much damage
modern gazelle
worth charge canceling the knock then side step?
some of the charges were doing like no damage some were 90%ing me lol
pallid quiver
Side stepping point blank is difficult without speed
cosmic wyvern
I’ve never had it do more than like 20-30% of my health
patent osprey
You should just leap last second so you dont change the trajectory of the frontal charge while dodging the hit uself. Like a mini leap, not across the whole room
Ur leap matches with every charge
pallid quiver
leap instantly on to your party's mage
patent osprey
On 28 last night if i took it raw thats like 80% of my health
pallid quiver
Yeah, you'll eventually hit key levels you'll probably want to side step it on
cosmic wyvern
Oh you’re doing 28s nvm, my opinion is irrelevant then
patent osprey
Obv i could sw it and take minimal but no point to take that damage when the baiter is getting slammed
cosmic wyvern
Im nowhere near good enough for anything above like a 24/25
pallid quiver
but for most people here, you could take it to the face without a CD and be completely fine, even on tyrannical
patent osprey
but for most people here, you could take it to the face without a CD and be comp...
This is true
Good practice though using the little kit we have
patent osprey
Like for tree boss dht,
Leap every breath so you can demoshout + reflect + 1 cd every grip
modern gazelle
you run x2 sw on dht for 2nd boss grips?
pallid quiver
no, you get less SWs; see my above breakdown
patent osprey
At least in my pov
cosmic wyvern
I’ve only ever seen one good prot Warrior running double SW
modern gazelle
you've always got less sw, but the poitn is having them on both grips
cosmic wyvern
and he was French so I think he just had brain damage
pallid quiver
The only time you run double SW is if you need two SWs literally back to back
modern gazelle
the reason for x2 sw is never more sw but having them specifically when needed
patent osprey
you've always got less sw, but the poitn is having them on both grips
Nah u can cover every other grip with sw with single sw
quaint bloom
People keep saying "leap for breath", like, out of range of it? to the side?
pallid quiver
you've always got less sw, but the poitn is having them on both grips
if the boss dies in two grips, tell your healer to buckle up for the 12 you're doing
patent osprey
People keep saying "leap for breath", like, out of range of it? to the side?
Backwards out of range
pallid quiver
People keep saying "leap for breath", like, out of range of it? to the side?
Outrange; it's not as long of a leap as Deios, as a heads up if you've been leaping that one
and if you haven't
you can also leap every other deios breath with bounding stride
patent osprey
People keep saying "leap for breath", like, out of range of it? to the side?
Example of it on tree boss
patent osprey
Visual is way better
quaint bloom
Thanks guys, you've been super helpful!
pallid quiver
something something promotion
patent osprey
Soz
pallid quiver
it's not nearly as funny coming from me
patent osprey
Theres just no way anyone can explain it better than seeing it :/
pallid quiver
MS paint tho :L
I agree tbh
I'm just still laughing from the one time I peeped in while at work and I almost died laughing that Nome instantly responsed with promotion right after you posted
cosmic wyvern
Outrange; it's not as long of a leap as Deios, as a heads up if you've been leap...
YOU CAN LEAP DEIOS’ BREATH?!?!
pallid quiver
ye
patent osprey
Yeah :/ always knows it coming but feels bad when people ask the question and u cant show them lol
patent osprey
YOU CAN LEAP DEIOS’ BREATH?!?!
Yeah every other one
cosmic wyvern
Please teach me o wise one
cosmic wyvern
I am but a simple 2600 prot Warrior and I must learn your 3500 ways
pallid quiver
patent osprey
damn i couldnt even go on YT faster than u linked it
cosmic wyvern
My goal is to hit 3k at some point this season, so tips like these are super helpful
Thank you :D
pallid quiver
As a note, keep in mind how Pika slightly walks a bit + leaps
It helps make sure you outrange it, because it's a big ass cone
cosmic wyvern
3.5k would be cool but I don’t think that’s really doable without a dedicated team
patent osprey
also note, how plka yells at his entire group to not die to teh frontal
pallid quiver
Most people didn't even think you could outrange it when it was M0 last season
pallid quiver
also note, how plka yells at his entire group to not die to teh frontal
this
this a lot
And then they just stand there anyway in my end
cosmic wyvern
Oh yeah, it’s probably fairly likely to get pugs killed, isn’t it
pallid quiver
Oh yeah, it’s probably fairly likely to get pugs killed, isn’t it
That's a fucking them problem now, innit
patent osprey
if you pre position the angle
It shouldnt kill pugs
its only if u rapidly turn it
pallid quiver
Once you start getting to the higher level keys, yeah, 100%
if you're in mid level keys
that DPS hitting the dragon in face deserved the frontal
patent osprey
They gonna learn today
cosmic wyvern
God I feel like I’m really close to hitting the “I can’t go much further with these shitass pugs” wall
Hopefully I can get 3k before I hit that wall but idk
pallid quiver
Should be able to; 3k is only like 25s, isn't it?
25s is probably where the pug wall and lack of coordination can start really hurting
patent osprey
We believe in you @cosmic wyvern 🙂
cosmic wyvern
I’ll do my best not to disappoint you :)
pallid quiver
If you want to ensure you get quality players, I recommend only hitting your own key/key with people you know and looking at logs of people playing
patent osprey
Im pretty sure Tattman, pugs a shit ton, if you ever want to see the pug experience in hihg keys
pallid quiver
you can tell if they're doing mechs/interrupts and the like from that
strong forum
2h weapons dont exist
pallid quiver
As well as get a glance as to if they're doing decent DPS
pallid quiver
2h weapons dont exist
yo it's whack, i know
strong forum
im 475 equipped with a 447 weapon 
cosmic wyvern
I always keep a details window up for interrupts next to my dps one
pallid quiver
I've only gotten 1 or 2 2Hs, and I've given them both to DPS mains
pallid quiver
I always keep a details window up for interrupts next to my dps one
I've got HPS, since I only really need to check detailed interrupt stats when there's downtime from oh no bad things happened
same as how i don't check death logs until oh no bad things happened
HPS lets me kinda gauge how a healer's struggling in pulls or not
sick sentinel
im getting 78% haste on the training dummies
patent osprey
id say that this red line, is prob the pug wall atm
After that, people gotta pay alot more attention
pallid quiver
Really, the biggest issue with getting 3k+ io is the time spent
patent osprey
True and real
pallid quiver
I'm not even 2k yet this season because I only hit like 4 keys a week and they just keep being the same key
I have literally never been in BRH at all on my Warrior this season
sick sentinel
Really, the biggest issue with getting 3k+ io is the time spent
that overkill game i was talking about 2 months ago, i looked recently
ive logged 60 hours into that game
and counting
cosmic wyvern
I hit 2k and 2.5k on week 2 of m+, haven’t been able to push much higher though
Still only at like 2630
sick sentinel
that game is massively massively hard
its unforgiving if you are big stupid
is what it is
pallid quiver
It was super funny being like 1k io with a timed 21 and 20, tho
jagged gust
YOU CAN LEAP DEIOS’ BREATH?!?!
We need to pin something for this, it seems to come up practically daily
uneven mason
Yup
sick sentinel
yup
jagged pier
i approve of ppl copying the paint strat
sick sentinel
what is the new method of dealing with yazma healer check
just dps dont get hit during and healer heal more?
puts a debuff on a player that healer HAS to heal that player and its no longer kickable and no longer dispell as curse, so i wonder what the hell you do
left basalt
i approve of ppl copying the paint strat
shitty mspaint from last night heroic progression
jagged gust
what is the new method of dealing with yazma healer check
I keep forgetting to try but doesn't Intervene+SR work to help alleviate the healer load?
chilly brook
I keep forgetting to try but doesn't Intervene+SR work to help alleviate the hea...
Pretty sure intervene only redirects melees
patent osprey
I keep forgetting to try but doesn't Intervene+SR work to help alleviate the hea...
does not work
jagged gust
Melee and ranged attacks, shit yeah you're right
chilly brook
Haven’t used it in so long now
patent osprey
There is nothing you can do to help healers as a prot war except Call out Yazma bolts + Rally when somone has nothing
plush tendon
There is nothing you can do to help healers as a prot war except Call out Yazma ...
you can also give them words of encouragement
like 'you got this!'
research shows that positive vibes lead to bigger numbies
pallid quiver
There is nothing you can do to help healers as a prot war except Call out Yazma ...
just kill the boss, that'll interrupt it
tawny bane
Anybody tried the Flourishing Dream Helm? Heard its shit
worthy briar
got The tainted Rageheart from heroic wow is it nice
bleak breach
Might be a dumb question here, but the heroic cache from the weekly can drop loot from any boss yeah? Not just the ones you’ve already killed?
Also sad, lost augury to a BM hunter
worthy briar
eat icecream cry?
bleak breach
Still stuck with my veteran quality rezan gleeming eye
uneven mason
like 'you got this!'
Isn't that literally what rallying cry is
worthy briar
thats what im running to the eye
bleak breach
thats what im running to the eye
Yeah eye is good, mine is just 463
bleak breach
I’m running eye and tree branch atm
sick sentinel
im running hourglass and burn out or crab
those are what i have and are personal favorites
opaque quest
im running hourglass and burn out or crab
Burn out feels so bad. I use it on my unholy cause i dont have a mirror and the -700 haste really hurt
sick sentinel
better than might of ocean sorta :S
sick sentinel
mines a pepega lvl i think 463 cappe
opaque quest
Dont think i have anything higher either. Ive done 1 16 this season
sick sentinel
i have so much haste i dont even mind it taking haste away
target dummies i was seeing 78% haste without lust
lone wren
Can you dodge ( not move around but actually in game dodge effect) morchie sand blast?
sick sentinel
like, for like 3 seconds, yes
lone wren
Like it did it one time at me and it did no damage. Did I dodge that attack? Was hectic to check combat log after fight
opaque quest
Im 99% sure you cant dodge sandblast. Maybe you thought you have dodged it but you got healed the same splitsecond the blast hit
urban portal
cant dodge spells
strong forum
cant dodge sandblast
but its blockable phys dmg
so its w/e
just aim it away from group and have SB up
strong forum
morchie is absolute joke boss now that the spell queue is fixed, just coordinate the trapping of the adds well
and the boss just dies
very comf
toxic pewter
do u guys do morchie or time lost first
lust is up around that time as far as i can tell
feel like lust stronger for time lost fight
hushed bluff
do u guys do morchie or time lost first
its depends on your bl cd actully if u have rogue or priest or skip things you can do morchie
bleak breach
Morchie seems to have low health pool too. If your group has the damage to be there and a lust it just dies.
toxic pewter
yeah lust not bad on morchie either just to speed it up i guess
hushed bluff
Morchie seems to have low health pool too. If your group has the damage to be th...
i dont think u wanna use lust on morchie
toxic pewter
so do u kill those mana flying ray things
bleak breach
Skip if you can
bleak breach
Everytime I do the last dps pulls them though haha
strong forum
If you come from the other side
toxic pewter
yeah but that other side is from morchie isnt it
strong forum
If you come from morchie, you can just skip ye
hushed bluff
yeah all of adds after 2 portals can be skip expect time lost boss adds
and adds before last boss
dusky canopy
Latest trending google search “how to install previous version of a mobile app”
laughs in discord update
hushed bluff
Latest trending google search “how to install previous version of a mobile app”
i would love to download some og games like clash of clans
jagged gust
I still have an old phone in storage with flappy bird installed
hushed bluff
I still have an old phone in storage with flappy bird installed
thats some good game
jagged gust
ten years later and I still can't beat mario tho
hushed bluff
ten years later and I still can't beat mario tho
i still miss sonic and crash games
street fighter
warm plinth
Might be a dumb question here, but the heroic cache from the weekly can drop loo...
Correct, but can't drop tier.
cosmic wyvern
finally got the servant splitter... only after I already got Gholak :(
really wish they'd give this thing secondary stats at the very least
flat stratus
why you do this blizz
jagged pier
lucky
vocal flame
ok im doing better but prob worried too much that the bleeds are on haha
tawny bane
Anybody know what the cap for haste is?
vocal flame
Fervid, tc and rend could be higher
im still trying to get it down, i feel like im staring at that rend missing WA the entire dung haha
strong forum
Yeah nah don't do that, it's just a subtle reminder
vocal flame
gotcha ty
tawny bane
Around that number is when you kinda wanna hardstop getting more haste
Ah cool ty, I'm on 6,949 so I'd better chill. Is it worth dropping ITF for HR at cap or doesn't change?
strong forum
You're on the right track
strong forum
Ah cool ty, I'm on 6,949 so I'd better chill. Is it worth dropping ITF for HR at...
Other way around, you play HR when you have too little haste
Aka less than 5400
ITF is only recommended when you have a buttload of haste
HR is there to solve block uptime issues, ITF is there to play when you no longer have block uptime issues
warm plinth
The real question
is why do we go to 7100 when the 2nd DR actually kicks in at ~6800
strong forum
It doesn't kick in at 6800
tawny bane
Cool was worried the extra % would make the haste go way over cap. Thanks!
warm plinth
the 2nd DR kicks in at 39%, not 40
warm plinth
🤔
sick sentinel
theres an addon that simplifies it
but i forget the name of addon in sea of addons
sick sentinel
the one i have is different than that
strong forum
at 6946 haste
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yes, which is lower than it should be.
sick sentinel
the one i have looks like this
warm plinth
if you're right
sick sentinel
but i cant remember for the life of me what its called
strong forum
170 points = 1% haste
opaque quest
69 sounds better tho so its obviously the right call
warm plinth
170 x 30 = 5100, then 1846 / 187 = 9.87
So 6946 would be 39.87, not 39.69
if it didn't kick in til 40
sick sentinel
this addon is either, um, leatrix, true stat value or something else
warm plinth
Blizzard and being wrong about their own game, name a more iconic duo
opaque quest
so the blizz post from bfa is wrong
You are shocked blizz doesnt know math?
Have you seen the Diablo math theyve done?
strong forum
thats made from a content creator
and probably just blindly accepted
without fact checking it
opaque quest
I mean the content creator did blizz's math in front of us all and recalculated everything
sick sentinel
ya
so, TSV is dependant on leatrix apparently
tsv is that blue bar i just psted about losing rating
it puts that equation into a visual format
cuz only other way we can explain is like, on mic, or like, telepathically /sarcrasm 2nd one
warm plinth
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN
Nothing really. Not really significant.
I just felt like being pedantic momentarily
toxic pewter
how much of a difference is it
bleak breach
So basically if tier doesn’t drop from weekly cache I’ve get better odds of getting Gholak or Augury
strong forum
cuz they dont know how little 0.2% is
warm plinth
😱
strong forum
and think 0.2% is like 5k dps
toxic pewter
i am already restatting as i type LOL
real fossil
cuz they dont know how little 0.2% is
number is red the sky is falling
strong forum
So basically if tier doesn’t drop from weekly cache I’ve get better odds of gett...
ye
toxic pewter
i kid i kid
strong forum
i mean there are people out there
toxic pewter
so what you are saying is stats really do not matter..
strong forum
who think 5% damage taken increase WILL ABSOLUTELY KILL YOU
opaque quest
so what you are saying is stats really do not matter..
sick sentinel
and think 0.2% is like 5k dps
true, aoe dmg of starfall nerfed by 25% while light of elune is up, healing similar nerf
OMG druids dumpester
strong forum
looking at you call to chaos
sick sentinel
huge nerefed
strong forum
people literally thinking that they will get killed when the proc is up cuz 5%
hell people think thats the case with 1%
1 fucking %
sick sentinel
bro they dumpsterd druid boomkin by 20%, meanwhile nobody uses starfall or it barely affects there dps
strong forum
huh
sick sentinel
its like, some ppl really think on that cave man mentalitiy
bleak breach
What?
bleak breach
I’ve got pink parse druids in my guild who use Stargell
bleak breach
Starfall*
strong forum
ah
sick sentinel
im saying that
3 lines of 20% nerf this, 30% nerf that 15% nerf this, and ppl are, its over for XYZ spec
meanwhile its really 3.5% and you explain it to them and they dont listen
bleak breach
Only thing that beats that is some APB wisdom
sick sentinel
he like runs around in the background and gets rockets and armor and fights the bad guys
strong forum
how arbitrary are these penalties
toxic pewter
so do we actually just want to get to 39%
strong forum
whatever your sim tells you
warm plinth
Tbf I didn't remember either until like, 6 months ago I got bored and looked it up
and was like oh it's not the simple 10% breakpoints
opaque quest
Only thing that beats that is some APB wisdom
"Wisdom" is a strong word
warm plinth
You know I actually thought that same thing when he said it Rooach lol
strong forum
so do we actually just want to get to 39%
defensively prolly just still want higher
cuz ITF counteracts alot of the stat DR
toxic pewter
even with a 20% diminishing return is haste still just that good lol
cinder pasture
Fuck it, using the 10% breakpoints is easier to remember. I'm still gonna use that
strong forum
yes
strong forum
mainly cuz ITF
toxic pewter
yeah dang good point
strong forum
we get in total 12% more value from haste, so going into DR is not even that much a thing
warm plinth
Yeah ItF and wild strikes are silly
strong forum
but offensively you wanna look more into crit/vers
like i said, t31 profile has 4.3k crit, 6.3k haste, 4k vers and like 600 mastery
warm plinth
Yeah, damage-wise haste actually gets outpaced pretty "early" compared to what people probably think
warm plinth
Not significantly ofc, but people act all surprised when they see a crit or vers piece recommended
Yeah
a crit vers piece*
strong forum
but yeh, vers offensive value gained alot aswell cuz trinkets + weapon do shitton of dmg
warm plinth
tawny bane
If you have Augury its Haste/Crit though right?
sick sentinel
nome is right
strong forum
augury loves vers just as much
sick sentinel
i had a pepega heart of thunder set
warm plinth
we don't change stat budget for trinkets
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
cuz if it crit, which it hit alot anyways, it was critting for 130-150k like, all the damn time
so, it added up
opaque quest
Doesnt matter what trinkets you get. You still choose the stats the robot tells you to
tawny bane
It only procs on crits though, so I figured crit is best? I'm at 42% haste now 35% crit
strong forum
yes sure
but vers also increases how much dmg augury itself can produce
im just saying
that vers increases item dmg aswell
toxic pewter
yeah but the window the trinket gives to do more damage from your crits will be used up pretty fast i figured out
opaque quest
Less proccs that do more dmg = more proccs that do less dmg
Just do what the robot tells you to do
opaque quest
I trust nome. Just follow the robot blindly
Dont think. Just follow orders. Or smth
strong forum
same
warm plinth
Doesnt matter what trinkets you get. You still choose the stats the robot tells ...
But not MISTER robot amirite
lusty grotto
vocal flame
So Chromie has been doing this for about 5 mins in this key lol
everyone left and his key got broken
strong forum
Fun!
pallid quiver
We love leavers
We especially love leavers who leave right before the end of a key, especially if it's still timeable
strong forum
Had that in fall last week
pallid quiver
We also love it if they insult every single other player on the way out, followed by hopping off the game
strong forum
9min left on timer
Wipe on last boss
Hunter leaves
But it's also bullshit that you literally can't do galakrond with 4 people
Cuz chromie dies
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure she barely lived with 4 people in lower keys, but I could just be insane and delusional
She just needs a non-zero amount of assistance
strong forum
Dunno she died literally 30sec into the fight
warm plinth
Nah she will straight up just die with one person missing
in like 18+
Even with everyone there you actually have to put effort into healing her
strong forum
Yea
pallid quiver
That's kinda funny that it sounds like there's scaling damage on her
I wonder if that is the case, what the sheer, physical hard limit of "Chromie dies even if everyone is there" is positioned at
warm plinth
27 fort vs 28 fort
cinder nova
Does M Larodar's Burning Ground scale with Blazing Coalescence?
More specifically, does the damage it do increase if he gets an orb?
opaque quest
But not MISTER robot amirite
Where have i heard that before
vocal flame
ok so silly question, the timing of bleeds doesnt matter for the tier right? For example letting rend sit for a certain set of time or using it right away
cinder nova
I mean, you shouldn't want to let bleeds tick. You want to rip them off as fast as you feasibly can without starving yourself so you can then reapp, and do it again.
vocal flame
ahh ok thats what i thought
cinder nova
But it sends the rest of the bleed when you remove it if you're otherwise unable to
vocal flame
But it sends the rest of the bleed when you remove it if you're otherwise unable...
it takes all bleeds and combines it into one shield slam right?
vocal flame
ooo ok
cinder nova
But yes, it's triggered by SS if you have the buff.
vocal flame
gothca thank you
pallid quiver
ok so silly question, the timing of bleeds doesnt matter for the tier right? For...
To think of it another way, the reason we consume bleeds at all is that it lets us effectively "stack" bleeds
If you consume rend at the very start of its duration then reapply, you effectively have 140% rend damage by the time that remd bleeds through if you just let it
cinder nova
When are we sending ShCh on the opener? I got a slice of a sim that shows it only sending after ThRoar and a chain of Fervids breaking.
vocal flame
If you consume rend at the very start of its duration then reapply, you effectiv...
Ooo I see. So consuming it once with tier and letting the second clap just tick
bleak breach
27 fort vs 28 fort
Damn, I’m happy with clearing 20s already lol
bleak breach
More specifically, does the damage it do increase if he gets an orb?
I think burning ground is static, but you just pretty much die if he gets orbs. Especially in mythic.
@vocal flame you literally wanna just SS, Tc, SS, TC
Anything else is either TR or Rav and Rev if all else fails.
No gaps, I’ve got ip and Ss on a macro together and basically just spam it waiting for SS
The tier set will be either your top or 2nd highest damaging ability depending on your speed.
That’s my heroic Volcoross log from last night as reference.
bleak breach
When are we sending ShCh on the opener? I got a slice of a sim that shows it onl...
I use a macro the blows my cds, pot, taunts and then charges. I then blow a SS/SB, Demo shout and SC. Then just onto basics
vocal flame
The tier set will be either your top or 2nd highest damaging ability depending o...
Ty I will take a look!
pallid quiver
Ooo I see. So consuming it once with tier and letting the second clap just tick
No, you consume all of them
Each time to you consume one, it's like stacking another bleed
So if you ate two instantly and if you theoretically fupped about for the rest of the time, it'd be 180% damage roughly.
And so on, kinda sorta, to a point
It's just a good way to think you want to just consume them and not think about it
Since they'll just "stack"
Just play normally, don't think, don't try to target swap
cinder nova
Finally figured out how to do M Laro without getting flatlined
it's just all ground damage
Kinda obnoxious mechanic tbh
limpid estuary
What do you mean? Standing in the fire killed ya?
limpid estuary
Ah
cinder nova
It absolutely just eats us alive in Mythic.
I'm leaping at the last second of the cast
That way I can intervene in.
limpid estuary
Geez your really having to minmax it huh
cinder nova
I actually hate this fight.
limpid estuary
Good to know. My guild's not quite there yet
cinder nova
Burning Ground is like double my melee intake
During prog it was like...
53.6K DTPS
Melee was under it by about half.
200K a tick every 1s
deft mortar
Blame your priest for not giving u pain supresson
cinder nova
We don't have one.
They're Holy
I'm just running Defender's Aegis and panicking my way into a new SW charge every other charge
It's ass.
uneven mason
I'm leaping at the last second of the cast
howmany druids you got?
cinder nova
No.
I'm just leaping last second, wall/def and then I charge or intervene back in depending on where shit is looking
novel temple
But it's also bullshit that you literally can't do galakrond with 4 people
so you can have 3 people plus tank soak with chromie, but that means a healer needs to be alive and straight pumping into chromie. cause i had a mw who would just not heal or go soak the blast for chromie.
So after telling the mw to heal chromie, he still didnt go soak the blast
but the healing meant chromie lived at least
novel temple
They're Holy
Honestly, I don't know if it's different on mythic but just make the holy priest dump into the treants to go have people firefight more
and just take the charge like diagonally across and not straight back into the fire zone
modern gazelle
tips for AD final boss?
how exactly do you move hte boss? i go corner to corner, but when should i be moving it exactly?
what should other players be doing so i can explain cause that bricks my key constantly
in high keys you just get so many spiders...
uneven mason
lol ikari when did this nick change happen
After the 597th person asked
"how do I not get ass melted by tree/deios"
uneven mason
how exactly do you move hte boss? i go corner to corner, but when should i be mo...
You move when they call spiders
This partially requires your DPS to not lick windows in the center of the room
modern gazelle
You move when they call spiders
which ability calls is it when the adds spawn?
grim pilot
echoes of shadra
modern gazelle
thanks
silk cave
cerulean tusk
Heh, there is no obtainable haste limit 
lusty grotto
plucky idol
is 45% haste too much?
lilac bloom
Why am i having so much trouble with dulhu in everbloom 16 key
he's poison charge 1 hits so hard i can't recover
died a few times trying to his charge
ionic fern
227k is ..nothing.
That's your overall damage taken in that.
"Noxious Discharge"..you're standing in green.
Compare yours to my +24.
So it's your bad play and people not interrupting.
1)Don't stand in Noxious Discharge;
2)You are not using any defensives on the Noxious Charge itself - Full IP + SR should be a minium. As you got higher in keys you can start popping SW/Spell Block and going into Defensive Stance for it;
3)You only Blocked 63% of his melees, be sure to have SB up and face him at all times;
4)Interrupt more;
lilac bloom
Ok thx
warm plinth
is 45% haste too much?
Not remotely
ionic fern
What about 46%?
pallid quiver
The Blizzcops will come to your house and bust your kneecaps
ionic fern
So what you're saying is that 45.9% is the cap?
pallid quiver
45.984234%, to be specific
keen glade
Need rsi levels of haste or we riot
warm plinth
So what you're saying is that 45.9% is the cap?
45.984234% haste and you need exactly 13.63% vers.
warm plinth
smfh
ionic fern
My haste is 0.015766% too high and my vers 2.63% too low. 😦
