protection

[waxen frigate]

1min is bad

it's prone to a lot of variance

the good thing about 5min is that it lets things kinda average out

[surreal thunder]

so 5min for general use for dungeons?

[waxen frigate]

for example, if you have a trinket that's a 3min cooldown, it will look way better in a 1min sim than a 5min sim usually

5min for general use always

if you want to start doing more situational sims like "oh I know i'm going into x dungeon which has a lot of pulls that are y target count, so I'll sim for those at a 1min or 1.5min duration to simulate most of the trash packs"

and even then there's stuff like downtime, chain pulling, routing, etc that all come into play

TL;DR you can't go wrong with 5min 1target patchwerk

[surreal thunder]

nah im not worried about situational stuff, just a in general good median

[waxen frigate]

that would be 5min 1target

if you really want to compare something that specifically is different on aoe

you can do 5target 5min or 1min30sec

im trying to think of an example from this tier that would be good for that

but like

an example from prior tiers would be simming the Boon trinket from Dathea.

Obviously if you wanted to see how it would perform in a majority aoe situation, you would want to sim it in aoe since it would underperform in a single target sim relatively speaking

[surreal thunder]

ty, ill keep this info in the back of my head

[waxen frigate]

And do you know the basics of simming things like top gear, droptimizer, etc

[surreal thunder]

yup

[waxen frigate]

👍

[surreal thunder]

was just looking for a good number for simming aoe in dungeons

[sly shadow]

would you let this guy tank for you 🥰

[south zealot]

thats tuff

[onyx matrix]

No

[blazing condor]

No cus im the tank

[sly shadow]

u when u tank

[sick sentinel]

his weapon doesnt match the rest of his transmog, so no

[boreal heath]

Only 122?

[sick sentinel]

and then disband 2 minutes into a wm lol

[silent vessel]

what the

[sly shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-giggles-peepogiggles-gif-21481319

[bleak breach]

We had a VP last season. Can’t remember the number but it was on first week of Tyrannical. Over 200 deaths to clear, but we wanted the vault lol.

[toxic tiger]

any tips for tanking volcoross on mythic?

[waxen frigate]

Is there anything you're worried about or struggling with?

It's identical to heroic except you have to soak every so often with the dps who gets the melee soak

[toxic tiger]

mostly im dying to the auto hit stacks

[waxen frigate]

have a log?

[toxic tiger]

hmmm yea let me loook

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jG4gNnypXtKJ2LHV#fight=last first two wipes

[waxen frigate]

theres 6 wipes here

[toxic tiger]

yee

[waxen frigate]

or do you want me to only look at the first 2

[toxic tiger]

but i only was a tank for the first 2

[waxen frigate]

oh

[toxic tiger]

:')

[waxen frigate]

So, notably you're underusing spell reflect

as well as last stand and wall

wait

nvm

[toxic tiger]

its hard to know when to use them, do i use them for the tankbusters or at high stacks

[waxen frigate]

i didnt realize how short this pull was before you died

[toxic tiger]

yea its short

[waxen frigate]

3/9 melees that you took on the second pull were not blocked

including one that killed you

You used spell reflect a single time each pull

It should have near 20% uptime on a fight like this where you are taking constant magic dmg.

Think of it as just a 20% magic DR

[toxic tiger]

yea true

is that everything though?

[onyx moon]

so for M+ as a prot warrior should i be using Into the Fray or Heavy Reprocussions

[waxen frigate]

the main thing just seems to be that, yes

and your indomitable looks to be very low healing

compared to say Jakey's logs

Also

you aren't using impending victory

which is huge

it's a 30% HP heal (i think? something like that)

[toxic tiger]

that is true i didnt use that

[waxen frigate]

on a 25sec CD

[toxic tiger]

i was so surprised

[waxen frigate]

you're also underusing shield slam a bit

it's pretty minor though

remember it takes prio over TC

[toxic tiger]

well im always applying my bleeds first before using shield slam

maybe i shouldnt then?

[bleak breach]

If you’re not running spellblock for mythic Volcoross do that too

[waxen frigate]

You should on pull

[woven tiger]

Hello fellow warriors! I was wonder if there any optimal off-piece for tier and if it mattered for Prot.

[bleak breach]

Best optimal tier is all except helmet

Then there’s a haste mastery helm I think from mega dungeon or the boe helm from amidrassil is crit verse

[toxic tiger]

ok thanks for all the tips!

[pallid quiver]

Even bigger, I recommend using talents you talented into. You didn't press Spell Block at all, and this is a fight where it actually works on the dot

and you have the dot for a hot minute in this fight, so it's easy to get value out of the whole 30 seconds of blocking

[toxic tiger]

But when would i press it?

[bleak breach]

Once you have the dot

Are you tanking until set of jaws? Or switching at 4?

[toxic tiger]

Until set of jaws

[bleak breach]

I’d pop it at 5-6 stacks

[toxic tiger]

Okok

[bleak breach]

Or whenever you really start feeling the damage come in

But optimally you want spellblock up for most of the range of your highest stacks.

I’d blow spell reflect and last stand early and go to spellblock/shield wall in the higher end.

[vocal nimbus]

bruh

where are my prot bois at in mm

went to check how i did in our larodar kill and there are only 17 parses

[bleak breach]

Is that for mythic?

[soft plume]

for raid we running fueled by violence or brutal vitality

[woven tiger]

i have another question. what is preferred stats for Prot Warrior?

and also can I use my arms stats as a prot warrior, or is it better to play fury and prot?

[mighty valley]

Haste > crit/vers > mastery usually

[woven tiger]

I would like to play prot only when my team needs me to, but main dps.

[mighty valley]

arms lines up a little better stat wise since fury likes mastery and prot doesn't really

[woven tiger]

Okay perfect!

Thank you. I'll gear out for arms and use it for prot. I appreciate the help.

[mighty valley]

Prot doesn't really obsess over secondaries though, ilvl > all generally

[bleak breach]

Brutal vitality, fueled by violence isn’t great with new 4pc

[lavish sphinx]

What's the prevailing sentiment RE: M+ talents when 2pc for S2 and S3?

Keep ITF and Bolster or stragith swap out for S3 talents?

[strong forum]

Keep bolster

[night heron]

Hello, I have a question - maybe it's already been asked but I couldn't find a record of it
With the new tier set having a ridiculously higher proc chance on IP, is it any worth from a damage perspective to actually stop using rage for execute and keep pumping IP for more procs ?

[raw parcel]

I believe execute is pretty widely agreed to be crap with its current tuning, or that's what I heard. Very low priority to push.

[bleak breach]

@strong forum is gift of ursine working as expected yet? I got heroic version yesterday, but unsure wether it’s worth equipping.

[plucky idol]

do we stay in battle stance in keys 19 and up during fort week?

[vocal flame]

Here is the daily is this good question. It simmed 4k more damage than what I had, not a fan of trinkets you gotta press a button tho lol

[toxic pewter]

time to start pressing

[potent anvil]

Battle stance should be the default stance. Defensive stance when you need dr, either due to a tank buster or surviving a large pull.

Just feel it in your gut

[lavish sphinx]

What's the strat for DHT tank buster? IP was getting shredded and healer was struggling

Tree boss*

[mellow bridge]

Simple boss as a prot warrior

Take bounding stride

Leap every breath so you don't press anything for them

Then simply rotate all your defensives for the grip and optimally prepare IP for it

[pallid quiver]

also you should always be in defensive stance for it on relevant keys, and SR should be up for every grip, so those two bare minimum every time

[mellow bridge]

Yeah that too

[warm plinth]

It is apparently bugged again in a different way and somehow is stronger when more people have it

[jagged gust]

New 5 tank dungeon strat?

[warm plinth]

[bleak breach]

We finally get a half decent tank trink and they can’t get it to work lol

[sick sentinel]

so, haven't played prot in a while. did I get too used to blood dk, or are they squishy?

[lusty tiger]

@waxen frigate https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0LLbjsI-2c/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

[warm plinth]

They are not squishy

[waxen frigate]

prot is the opposite of squishy

prot is insanely sturdy

[sick sentinel]

bro it feels so squishy lmao

[lusty tiger]

^^

Nish sturdy as a mf

[warm plinth]

Not playing properly will do that

[sick sentinel]

am I not suppose to spam IP and block?

[lusty tiger]

Correct

[warm plinth]

You do not spam IP

[sick sentinel]

Ah

[warm plinth]

You will press IP a lot but it's a result of the rotation, not a goal

[potent anvil]

I think warr is the tankiest class. I played pala and DK, and my warr just feels way better in terms of just cruising.

[sick sentinel]

and I feel the opposite, I can't do half of what I was on my dk on my war

I was sweating in a 7

[potent anvil]

Probably have to practice it more, tbh. If warr is an alt, you probably aren't as comfortable.

[warm plinth]

Well without logs we don't know what you're doing

[sick sentinel]

Yeah my war use to be my main

but ever since BFA I've hated prot. never could figure out why

[warm plinth]

And yet all the videos are arms

[potent anvil]

Because arms is fun to play. But I should record my prot runs

[warm plinth]

Pretty please

[potent anvil]

I did a 24 waycrest and tanked goliath to 70 stacks

Health barely moves

[warm plinth]

Ez game

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[warm plinth]

I did a 14 Waycrest and the tank reset him every 12 stacks 🙂

[sick sentinel]

Idk, prot feels clunky and bloated

[warm plinth]

Prot pal

[potent anvil]

I tried to do the same thing on my pala, granted its only 470... but I felt in danger at 40

[sick sentinel]

I did a 16 waycrest last night and started getting nervous around 50 on my bear

had a demo lock doing 39k st in there too tho >.>

[warm plinth]

Well then

[potent anvil]

A friend told me that pala is the best at it, but I honestly can't see it. Next week my pala will be closer to 480 after upgrades/craft, so maybe I can try it again. But it'll be tyran

[warm plinth]

I did an 18 on my hunter last night that me and some friends joined and somehow this 441 mage had an 18 key and did like 79k overall. The 468 fury war somehow did 92k. No pressure on me right?!

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

My friend plays BM and Havoc, and she did 61k overall in a 15 rise earlier

like 475ilvl i think

[warm plinth]

What the

On which one?

[sick sentinel]

havoc

[warm plinth]

How do you even get 475 ilevel playing that horribly

I don't even have a 470 toon yet lmao

[sick sentinel]

wait wut

I have 3 at 465+ o.o

I need a life

[warm plinth]

I don't play much

[sick sentinel]

yeah fair, all I do is keys

I went shadow in bfa and now that shadow has finally gotten nuked, I'm taking the chance and going back to tanking😂 trying to figure out why I'm squishy on war other than forgetting I have demo shout

[toxic pewter]

i did more than that hunter/dh on my 430 ele shaman lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah I haven't played havoc since BFA and I can guarantee you I'd do more than that on mine lol

[jagged gust]

I think you'd do more than that if you played your BFA character in a dungeon rn

Like that's ST damage of a toon with ilvl 400

[boreal heath]

Just stack vers, vers is the only answer

[median tulip]

Man, I'm actively trying to get rid of Vers. I need more Crit. Lots of Crit.

[wary hinge]

Hi all, have problem with aggro, how fix this?

[warm plinth]

We would need logs to know that

[wary hinge]

Sokovuta -Tarren Mill

[median tulip]

Most likely you need to push more butan

Are you losing aggro to a co-tank in raid, or to a DPS in M+?

[wary hinge]

M+

Butan ?))

[median tulip]

If you're losing aggro at the start of a pull, you've probably got a hyperactive DPS who is going heavy on the cooldowns the instant a fight starts. MOST DPS will pull threat if they do that, especially to a mob that isn't the one you hit with the initial Shield Slam

[warm plinth]

There are no logs from this week but looking at a 14 AD from last week:

• Stop running Battle-Scarred Veteran
• Your casts per minute are insanely low
• You are lacking a fundamental understanding of the rotation - the priority is Shield Slam>Thunder Clap>Revenge, and you should be dumping excess rage with Ignore Pain. Revenge is your top cast and you somehow have more casts of Taunt than you do Ignore Pain.
• Your blocked hits are very very low (not using Shield Block enough)

[wary hinge]

They always doing this I play without my party so when I take sham or dh they die ((

[median tulip]

It's worst when it's a ranged DPS 'cos then mobs run away. If melee DPS do it the mob normally comes back after a bit of AoE

Oh well from what Stats says it's the butan problem.

[warm plinth]

Why are you saying it like that; the dude speaks english as a second language lol

[wary hinge]

I translated all what don’t know) I am good thank)

Thanks for helping

[warm plinth]

no worries. work on the basic rotation and you'll do a lot better. It's a fast paced spec so it will take practice

[wary hinge]

I will practice 😉 more

[copper lion]

The add room in Rise after the first boss is sketch. Anyone else having issues with this one in pugs?

Seems a lot of dmg going out, people seem to be pulling things they are not supposed to as well

[jagged palm]

Does spell block work on dots?

[undone verge]

Only the initial application damage doesn’t block the dot

[jagged palm]

no wonder i feel so squish to some dots lol

[undone verge]

It just sucks

[copper lion]

I just had my key gone after a perfect start

People kept dying there

Smdh

[median tulip]

The ones that do the frontal beam are nasty; you should point them away from the rest of your party and hope the DH doesn't decide to suicide into it

[copper lion]

Yea that wasn’t the issue, I died once, dps kept dropping like flies

Just so much aoe from those explosions I guess

[median tulip]

It's probably the most difficult part on Fort, yeah

[boreal heath]

Tbf alot of trash there just walks into the grouo

[pale karma]

I did it yesterday and yes there is a lot of damage going out.

I didn’t notice anything having changed, though.

[fast knot]

Bloom ticks are based on whatever mitigation you had rolling at the start right?

I feel like I get piked harder when one of my boosted DPS don't pop anything prior to their application

[copper lion]

No idea maybe I pulled too fast

Tried not to have more than one caster up at any time

[undone verge]

You kinda just gotta play it a little slow

And hope if you have a monk or druid they have enough of a brain to knock the mobs into the yellow shit to speed it up a bit

[floral peak]

So I have a DH tank and a Prot war. I get that DH is FOM but I am doing more dps in keys and feel alot safer on my Prot war over the DH most of the time. (I feel like paper with dot or bleeds) only running 20’s. But I just think it’s crazy just how strong Prot war feels when you have all your stuff up. On some massive pulls without magic dmg my HP bar does not move…. Am I alone?

[grim pilot]

that's prot war yeah

I can take 20 mobs and my hp bar won't even budge

and I can take 2 mobs with bleed and struggle like crazy

[woven torrent]

or the bats in dht

[floral peak]

Yeah I would like to see a chart with amount of dmg taken from a Prot war vs DH over a key. Plus Prot has spell reflect… has to be the best thing in the game still.

[woven torrent]

they got hands

Ngl id think youre doing something wrong

DH has to be dealing more dmg than us in overall

but for tankiness idk

[floral peak]

Yeah could be the case my DH is a bit behind on gear but others a run with are very similar.

[whole flint]

You can spellreflect one..then normaly i run 😂

[floral peak]

The DH rotation is fairly basic so I don’t think I have it that far of.

[woven torrent]

Yeah ONE pull i somehow dealt like 8 million with spell reflect

no idea still how

[whole flint]

You got Spelltimer on Mobs?

[woven torrent]

not for those but i dont think a single reflect deals that much

maybe i somehow reflected all of them at the same time

[whole flint]

Ypu can see when they will cast. So you reflect the nasty dot on one stun them and jump away. At least thats what i am doing

[woven torrent]

oh ye for sure i learnt my lesson

now i kite them too

same with "accidentally" pulling ToTT dogs with something else

[whole flint]

Hate those fuckers...

[woven torrent]

Id be like "ye sure i can fight that with all cds up"

then i get 800k dot tick

[whole flint]

Tott is one of the few Keys missing on 20

[fast knot]

I don't understand why they fixate either

melee dps kind of just vaporize

[whole flint]

It always makes me think i should switch to dawarf or darkiron dwarf

[fast knot]

a problem caused by the space between the chair and the keyboard for sure but it's still annoying

[woven torrent]

I feel like tott is a very big dps gamble key

I failed it a lot earlier on 20+ bcs of the last boss

and then i got a group i ++ it with

cus they can fucking clean the floor

[whole flint]

We always struggle on last path and endboss...

Everyone afraid of the groups before endboss... you got some tips on that? Maybe i am missing something there.

[woven torrent]

Im trying to move to 22-24s too and its so crazy how ppl at this level still dont interrupt shit

aoe casts like volleys etc

waycrest and rise especially

[whole flint]

Yeah witches instakill with volley

[fast knot]

Double sentry I make everyone stand by the door, double Swell hurts enough, you don't need little shits coming in for more % damage from stacks

[woven torrent]

I find pulling JUST as ur stacks end to be fine

[fast knot]

Goblin nerds I just hope and pray some mongo DH doesn't dance through them

[whole flint]

Yeah the "problem" are the two sentrys patrolling

[woven torrent]

Cus then more will spawn anyway but the sentrys will be like half hp already and not casting swell when u get stacks again

so healer has time to top everyone off

[whole flint]

So maybe we think to much about when to pull and when not so we always have to much adds/Stacks for swell

[fast knot]

Doesn't help when you lose someone and they decide to release and then run back

[woven torrent]

yea thats annoying af

and they dont pop an invis or smth

makes u lose like one minute timer

[fast knot]

I'm fortunate enough to have a druid/monk in my group for boops at least for that first Sentry to do with the nerds

definitely not viable in higher keys due to spears going out during the cast

[woven torrent]

wait wdym

[fast knot]

maybe with enough stops

[woven torrent]

U dont have to pull them together

[whole flint]

Hmmm we always have troubles there think this will be the last of my +20... with rise so much dps fucking up things then coming back pulling mobs before portals and dying multiple times

[fast knot]

Was a value play at like 18, I would do seperate at 20+

[woven torrent]

oh ok

[fast knot]

Most of the time I don't pull it some boosted DPS finds a way to greet them

[woven torrent]

yea u can just pull goblins > sentry > stacks fall off > taunt next sentry > go for goblins fast > stacks fall off > next 2 sentries

[latent cargo]

In Waycrest, how often are you soaking tree boss in the fire?

[mental scarab]

When your hp drop to 10% after the smash

So fun boss

Giving healers the shitters when you dont reset

Prot life

[woven torrent]

I did it every 30 stacks on a +22 and it worked out

Not sure if optimal though

[dawn crane]

Did a +21 where I didnt reset at all, killed him around 65 stacks

on sub 20 keys I never reset, dps should live the thorns too

99 stacks is cap btw

[lost wyvern]

when/if you guys run BRH with a pug group, would you pull small spiders back down after first boss or continue up and hope the healer dispels?? i have yet to see a single healer dispel the spider debuff

[winged slate]

Just run up to the platform. Gotta have a healer with a brain. Use all the stops you have to avoid stacks, and if you have Fyrakk trinket you can use it to avoid stacks at first

[median tulip]

I've done +20 Fort to 35 stacks without clearing. Then it died.

[green bronze]

I think you normally reset after each thorns

[blazing condor]

You can comfortably take like a million stacks

But doesnt the stacks increase thorns damage?

[green bronze]

it also increases the damage your party will receive when you finally remove those stacks

[crystal current]

Thorn damage isnt increased, Fire dmg is.

[obsidian rampart]

really ?

[sage dune]

Hey guys this is my current gear and i was wondering what to craft with the next spark, at first i thought a ring was good but since there are 3 haste/vers rings in this patch i think that the neck should be the next craft no?

[jagged pier]

embeshiments > rings/neck

[sage dune]

Already have them on cloack and wrist

[restive scroll]

Nope, neither

It's only tank damage

AFAIK

At least from my personnal testing

[woven torrent]

does anyone know for sure?

now im curious

i thought fire damage always felt the same

[sweet summit]

just check a log

[hollow flower]

How you Guys Deal with the bats in darkheart If you dont have the dispel?

[jagged pier]

spell reflect stack

kite

cc change

[warm plinth]

The stacks increase the damage the tank receives and the damage of the aoe when you set him on fire

The aoe damage has fall off each tick though. So the first tick will be the biggest and it goes down a bit each tick

[warm plinth]

You definitely do not reset after each thorns unless you want your healer to hate you and your party to die.

[restive scroll]

I actually got a pretty good log to check https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWZjxPbkHAmdfBF6#fight=46
One reset around 60, and one around 0

[median tulip]

Fire damage is increased, at least on the initial burst. I have no idea about the thorns damage.

To be honest that boss is a joke and you're overthinking it. On Fort it shouldn't live long enough to get enough stacks to be a threat. Even with 35 stacks it was barely tickling.

[restive scroll]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWZjxPbkHAmdfBF6#fight=46&type=damage-taken&phase=2&ability=260547&start=40517984&end=40712310

Hope the link is right

Those are pretty much the same damage when I reset at 50~ & 0

[median tulip]

Gratuitous amounts of AoE violence and hard stops.

[woven torrent]

Dont get me wrong, I barely take any damage from the boss but the group getting down to 10-20% during fire phase gets me sweating

[restive scroll]

Yeah, that works until you get passed 20 something

[median tulip]

35 stacks was on a +20 Fort. It tickled. A bit.

If it lives longer than that you need better DPS.

[restive scroll]

The boss also gain health, making it last longer

[hollow flower]

I think the buff says it increases all His damage

[restive scroll]

On 23, It starts tickling at 45 stacks, so I start timming it with next thorn

[median tulip]

Either reset it at 10 to 12 stacks or commit to the fight and don't reset at all.

[median tulip]

Last week on Tyrannical+20 I reset at 10 stacks twice and then tanked it to 27 stacks for the kill

I could probably have done just one reset but the fire was right there.

[restive scroll]

But that is the point

It's just 20

You don't have to reset often because fire damage don't scale with stacks

I provided a log that shows that

And again, 30 stacks is nothing

[warm plinth]

Neither of those are 50 stacks. One is 33 and one is 20.

The 33 stack reset did 329942 first tick and went down to 140401.

The 20 stack reset did 252721 first tick and went down to 140401

[restive scroll]

You are completely right , I played this one safer

[median tulip]

The initial fire burst is affected by the stacks

[warm plinth]

The burning brush starts high and loses damage each tick to simulate the boss losing stacks (despite it visually seeming like he loses them all instantly)

All the ticks are affected by the stacks except the last two, which are the base damage of the mechanic.

[restive scroll]

I guess I'm wrong then, tooltip was wrong at some point aswell

I've read a lot in this chan saying both things as well

[warm plinth]

Well even Nome thought only the first tick was affected until I showed him otherwise a couple days ago :p

[median tulip]

The initial burst is the threat, especially if the healer is unprepared for it.

Like I say though, either reset low or commit.

[restive scroll]

My apologies then, I stand corrected

[warm plinth]

12 stacks is too low though. That's like...super frequent resets.

He gains a stack every 2 seconds. So you're resetting every 24 seconds if you do 12 stacks.

[median tulip]

And the decision to commit is going to be down to your DPS. I static with a good team (for the most part) so my perspective is skewed.

None of the bosses in WCM are really difficult

If you can do Heartsbane Triad without any of them getting to max energy you should demolish the wickerman

[warm plinth]

Yeah for sure

[median tulip]

Heartsbane is a nice fight for spotting which of your DPS doesn't do mechanics. If anyone isn't jumping to drop stacks, they're a problem.

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's why pretty much every group went witches first even when doors were random

Because if you were gonna fuck the key, that was the boss it was gonna happen on

[median tulip]

I don't get how some people can fuck up the "hit the one that actually takes damage" part of that, but I've watched Hunters manage it.

[warm plinth]

Oh man, I remember in BFA having the hunter turtle pre-fight

So he wouldn't turtle if he got picked by the mind control

[median tulip]

Lol

BTW don't take a pally in there; Wake of Ashes can pull mobs from the floor above

[restive scroll]

Oh, that's why I had random pulls :O

[median tulip]

Oh yes. It can do that during boss fights too

[restive scroll]

Unfortunately, I noticed :(

Thanks for the explaination, I'm guessing some others classes do aswell ?

[median tulip]

I believe Boomkin can do it too, somehow

And it wouldn't surprise me if Demolock (Implosion) and Destrolock (Infernal) did it too

[sick sentinel]

pre immune, all immunes

[restive scroll]

cool to know

[sick sentinel]

by end of BFA, ALL of us, were doing, and teaching ppl to pre dump that shit

even like cloak of shadows cuz its just such a huge reduction of dmg that enlongates the fight

and it happens twice in the fight, so you can just straight up lose 20 seconds

[finite veldt]

how good is?

[karmic plinth]

really not worth it

[median tulip]

Not worth the Embellishment slot

[finite veldt]

ight, tyvm

[sick sentinel]

worth it on my paldin or somethin for the knowledge points

[queen hemlock]

On throne of the tides entrace pull

Is it me or i seem to melt to just 2 guards and a bunch of snap dragons

Shield block is up
Demo is cast
Avatar ravager and thunderous roar
Spamming IP
Didnt use shield wall/last stand

[median tulip]

The snapdragons have a vicious bleed

[queen hemlock]

Is there anything i can do?

[median tulip]

be a dorf, or bring an evoker

[queen hemlock]

Or just pop shield wall on ever snapdragon pull

[warm plinth]

well, you could use shield wall :p

[queen hemlock]

I was with a druid
Not sure about his heal but i pratically vanished in like 5 seconds

Just shield wall ay?

Alright

Cause i saw a paladin tanked the same thing
He fuck cared
Didnt even kite

[median tulip]

Yeah, the healer has got to be prepped for it, because it can go on for 5 seconds after the fight ends, and with a bunch of stacks it WILL kill you

[warm plinth]

I never kite 🤷

[queen hemlock]

I had 8 stacks if i recall

[warm plinth]

Kiting is for cowards. Die fighting like a man

[queen hemlock]

I saw it and paniced shield wall and last stand
Still died

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/this-right-here-is-your-problem-pointing-out-reminding-hint-warning-gif-12459441

[queen hemlock]

Im rather inexperienced as a tank
Just wanna learn what to do

I didnt expect it to melt me

Nor to inthe first place have 8 stacks

[warm plinth]

Yeah the dogs in that place are bullshit

Worst trash mob award for the season in my book

[queen hemlock]

Usually i dont get 3 of them doing ravaging pursuit

[median tulip]

Your best option, in that situation, is to charge something else and start generating and spending Rage, and use Impending Victory. Your are MORE survivable in combat.

[queen hemlock]

I mean i dies in combat

Died*

Tried hard tanking them then proceeded to vanish

[median tulip]

What key is this?

[queen hemlock]

17?

I think

It was at least 16

[median tulip]

Yeah... you're gonna need healing

[queen hemlock]

Do the classes of healer matter most of the time?

[median tulip]

Hell, I actually DStance for those things on Fort week. That's how bad they are

[warm plinth]

No, the class does not matter

[queen hemlock]

Like overtime vs instant
And what they can dispell

[median tulip]

No. Quality of the player behind the keyboard matters.

[warm plinth]

Only evoker can dispel bleeds and even then it's once per minute so

[queen hemlock]

Well im more asking
Not as what kind of healer i need to look for but just
Do i have to adapt to how certain classes' play style

[warm plinth]

No

[queen hemlock]

I heard druid is better at healing over time so say might i need to kite alot more kinda

Ah alright

[warm plinth]

I was memeing but you literally do not kite as a tank

Like you backpedal a little, but you don't just turn and run

[median tulip]

I "kite" in as far as I leap away from combat to land on the next pack.

[queen hemlock]

Thats kinda unexpected

[median tulip]

My ideal dungeon run doesn't involve any of this wussy "out of combat" stuff

[queen hemlock]

Note sure if it was bfa or shadowlands where im told sometimes we need to kite
Make use of that thunderclap

But alright good to know

[warm plinth]

Neither of those expansions featured kiting, except maybe Season 1 of Shadowlands where literally every tank had to kite

[median tulip]

Shadowlands season 1 had the Ultimate AIDS Kite Meta. Everyone hated it except VengDH

[warm plinth]

But in general, you should never need to kite as a tank because that kinda defeats the purpose of being a tank.

[median tulip]

The current tank meta is pretty much the opposite of SLS1; Tanks are almost entirely self-powered, healers are there to keep the DPS alive in most cases.

[warm plinth]

Except for those dumb dragons and the third boss of EB

[median tulip]

Like I say EVERYONE hated SLS1 apart for VengDH

[queen hemlock]

Sometimes i just dont know why im dying
My fault of healer
Not taking spell damage
Not showing my back
Not standing in shit
Shield block and spaming IP
Still melting
Expecially in throne of the tides

[warm plinth]

Get logs and we can tell you

[queen hemlock]

Dont know if its my healer

Ill try to save some

[median tulip]

The 3rd boss of EB is easy

[queen hemlock]

My wow stuff are on hdd
When i log my fps goes to hell

[warm plinth]

I never said it wasn't. But it requires you to be healed

[queen hemlock]

And random screen freezes

[warm plinth]

That's strange

Look up your toon on WCL; someone else might have logged

[median tulip]

Stop using Spinning Rust for your data. I bought a 4Tb SSD and it is amazing

[queen hemlock]

Oh maybe i found one

[median tulip]

TotT is one of the less forgiving dungeons this season

[queen hemlock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/saurfang/kincadenaul?zone=36#boss=10643

does this work?

my god im blue

[warm plinth]

nah no logs sadly

Those are all leaderboard runs

[queen hemlock]

yea

[azure smelt]

Ill take the tides dogs over those brh spiders honestly

[warm plinth]

And those parses are meaningless

[queen hemlock]

slowly pull

i hate it when the dps jsut runs up without my consent

[lost wyvern]

is there anywhere i can see what i can spell block in the raid? i used spell block during nymue but it seems like it didnt do shit

[warm plinth]

Reflect sheet in #268491842637660160

[wind oak]

In the pin too

[lost wyvern]

tyty

[azure smelt]

Every time i say "dispell at 20 ill be dead in one global" and it never happens they just let me die

[warm plinth]

[queen hemlock]

they think we BDK

[warm plinth]

idk those spiders are just stupid ass mobs

[queen hemlock]

i usually slow pull

just people no dodge

spiteful

explode

[warm plinth]

It's a part of the dungeon that should be giga trivial and instead they made it moronic.

[median tulip]

The dangers of the Spiders in BRH (and the Bats too) and the Dogs in TotT, and a lot of other "this is a target rich environment" cases can be solved by judicious use of two things

1. Hard Stops
2. Massive amounts of applied violence

[green bronze]

you just have little knowledge about current m+ dungeon pool, does not neccessary mean that you are a bad tank, though it does not exclude it) M+ is a one big knowledge check, you have to know what exactly evey pull does and how to counter it

just keep asking specific questions and most of them will be asnwered here

For most mobs that have to be kited i like to make sure my Thunderous roar is not on CD, I ask my party to apply all kinds of slows and stop, Charge -> Thunderous roar -> Shockwave (Sometimes) -> heroic leap away and run)

[warm plinth]

There are no mobs that have to be kited

[queen hemlock]

never considered that to be a rotation

[green bronze]

if you can kill them fast enough, sure

[queen hemlock]

actually the bats

the demons at the top are spawning them right?

[azure smelt]

I still dont understand the batcave

[warm plinth]

Not really

[queen hemlock]

im not too sure but it seems infinite?

[warm plinth]

It's just a gauntlet

Until you pass the gauntlet, the bats will spawn

[azure smelt]

All i know is i hate legion

[queen hemlock]

ah

[azure smelt]

Do you just run thru or do 2 big guys at a time?

[warm plinth]

I do 2 at a time

[azure smelt]

I usually do first 2 big boys then when one dies i run thru

[queen hemlock]

i still try to kill the demon in the middle first before pulling the other, that thing melted me once when i turned my back to it

[azure smelt]

But idk whats going on

[warm plinth]

After first 2 guys, I pull the next as one dies

[median tulip]

I do 2 and 2

[green bronze]

they just have to be interrupted, didn't notice them doing any significant damage bth

[warm plinth]

Basically you want to keep from having too many dominators because you need 2 kicks per felguard to not get stacks

It's not the dominators that make the gauntlet hard; it's the fact that more dominators = more fixated bats

[azure smelt]

And the cast is dmg buff to just him or the bats too?

[warm plinth]

And if the dominators do get stacks, you will die

[median tulip]

Both the spiders and the bats are a form of DPS check TBH. Only instead of the usual boss fight single target DPS check, they are checking your AoE.

[green bronze]

I start with one and pull new one when the last is <50% hp

[warm plinth]

It buffs all mobs around it

50% per stack

[azure smelt]

So the group is getting creampuffed by bats if a cast goes off?

[median tulip]

If you have a really good AoE class the number of bats shouldn't get out of hand. Cleave more.

[warm plinth]

Yes, and you're going to get fucked up by the dominator

[azure smelt]

Alright thanks for the info i was kinda doing it properly but i rlly didnt know ehat was happenin

[warm plinth]

Also make sure to snag threat on all the new bats; the dominators can only cause 4 bats to fixate at once, so there will be bats that you actually tank.

[azure smelt]

Usually im just trying to save a ret from killing himself with aggro on the bats

[warm plinth]

XD

[median tulip]

Hard Stops and Bat Genocide; it's the way to go

They have fuck all hit points

[jagged pier]

just play SoD then u dont need to deal with bats at all

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/832390254895300648.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[queen hemlock]

SoD?

[green bronze]

watch them release karazhan with lots of bats there

[azure smelt]

Returning to return of karazhan?

[green bronze]

you know how they initially planned karazhan for vanilla but then scraped the idea and released it in tbc

[median tulip]

I enjoyed Old Kara back in the day

[queen hemlock]

no pls no more mediv not moving ring explode

PLS NO MORE

[median tulip]

Wrong Kara

[sick sentinel]

is going up stairs to left better or worse for pulling wm

group yesterday went through open door to left instead

thats a key i might be able to run on a 18 for myth

[solid cargo]

I've never seen anyone go upstairs personally but I haven't researched routes

[sick sentinel]

slightly easier to pull the 2 frogs packs

[median tulip]

I never go upstairs

[silent vessel]

my life motto

[silk cave]

quanto de aceleração eu preciso ter? o maximo possivel? ou tem algum limite?

How much acceleration do I need to have? the maximum as possible? Or is there any limit?

[jagged pier]

@lusty grotto

[silk cave]

ty

[silk cave]

Are there other caps?

[jagged pier]

No.

[silk cave]

okay ty so much

[violet ginkgo]

Jakey is the 2p bleed consume got radius? As in the bleed consume is aoe right?

[karmic plinth]

no only on your primary target

[jagged pier]

u fucking joking it would far ot op if it was aoe consume

[silent vessel]

idk what ur saying, it would be great

pull big pack, thunderclap, ????, nuclear explosion

[toxic pewter]

It does sort of have an impact on aoe in the sense it resets thunderclap with 4pc

[warm plinth]

Jakey is not fucking around today lmao

[silent vessel]

monday mood

[sick sentinel]

aoe consoome blleeds and deals its damage as aoe change soon you say? sure okay

also +30% dmg

[blazing condor]

Cant let pwarrs have any fun

Just give us 500k sustain aoe dps

[vocal flame]

That is a good way to do it I think. Staggering them

[sick sentinel]

so, if im not doing 18s, and i dont have a myth track vault item, don't open vault as prot, open as dps

like, 18's might be a once a week completion thing for me,

weekly no leavers thing

[uneven mason]

👢 🍵 👏

[sick sentinel]

cuz i can open a shield as prot myth vault potentially, and maybe its a good one

and then later weapon

[uneven mason]

They did that in BFA, if pwar wasn't top damage in your dungeon, you didn't pull enough

[sick sentinel]

i'd rather everyone j ust be geared out and buffed to hell and back before i do those keys

less headache

[uneven mason]

So we'd be on par with vdh, maybe

[solid cargo]

Not until we get like 500 stops like they now do lmfao

[uneven mason]

Bring back gag order, give disrupting shout the mop CD, make shockwave baseline, give roar back it's knockdown, ancient Aftershock instead of spear

Fixed

[solid cargo]

I'd kill for a sigil of chains type thing. Like spear pulls everything in. That'd be neat even if it was just an occasional option.

[uneven mason]

We had one in beta, trust me you didn't want it

[teal swift]

Jesus

It took me a moment

Then I read each

And was like jfc

[left basalt]

18's are even easier than last season, find some pugs and hold W IMO

[teal swift]

LOL

[uneven mason]

But I get it, we could use a stop that works in stun/interrupt immune targets

[teal swift]

Do 18s, really isn't hard

Idk wtf I'm doing and brh times itself

[uneven mason]

I see Yuzu misses the glory days of thunderbutt

Where pwar did absolutely obtuse levels of damage

[teal swift]

Had like fucking 5 minutes left on timer

[teal swift]

I've been playing pink boi because ret is my favouriite DPS spec

[uneven mason]

Timers are free as long as you don't have garbage dps

[teal swift]

Use your eyes

Those DPS were bad, two pink man carry

[uneven mason]

Those are middling dps

[teal swift]

Yeah, they spent a lot of time dead

Healer was actually fucking inting

Then getting mad at me

[uneven mason]

Yup, about average

[teal swift]

And I'm like ??? Skill issue

Arkens died to a barrage while 3 people were running back. Can't even be mad.

[uneven mason]

I had a 19 rise that I was top damage over a bm hunter and ret paladin

[teal swift]

C: meta doesn't fucking matter if your DPS are physically and mentally disabled

😀

[uneven mason]

Yeah I left because we literally didn't have the damage to time that, even if they didn't lick windows and die every pull because they couldn't interrupt

[teal swift]

I spend a lot of time in BRH because it's difficult not to time

So it's a safe key to just Yeet at for vault.

[sick sentinel]

thats basically same for waycrest manor for me

[left basalt]

I sent you a DM with a question Yogi

[sick sentinel]

there is almost no scenario that i cant just wipe and reorient and time that key any more

its too much ingrained how to play that key

i probably have dm off

[left basalt]

you do, not sure if you can allow it or still see it, simple question

[sick sentinel]

i just typically don't add anyone at all to friends, only trusted people or like public people

[left basalt]

sure np np

[teal swift]

Public people

Wtf is a public people

[sick sentinel]

like, uh, someone thats a bit famos on youtube or some shit, and then i'd send them a question or something

some people don't want to be contacted, and i can respect that

[left basalt]

Thanks for accepting, sent my question.

[sick sentinel]

some people are really private though by contrast is what i mean

[teal swift]

Lately I've been mentally dedge

So I stopped answering dms

Even from close friends

[sick sentinel]

like, an example is i wouldnt dm somebody who literally never posts anything on like twitter say

[teal swift]

If they need me, they can ping me in the class discords i frequent

[teal swift]

I dm people if I want

They can ignore / tell me to fuck off

[sick sentinel]

i don't like to ignore people but i dont like to respond and show up to something i may easily create an L sitaution basically

[left basalt]

Not going to create an L situation don't worry

[opaque quest]

Simple. Sub to them then ask them something. Especially on twitch. Youre creating income for them

Thats how i got some questions answered by macrobioboi without feeling like i wasted his time

[chilly brook]

Ping

[uneven mason]

TFW that one dude with poor impulse control gets the ability to ping in raid

Also it's been a long time since I had some during raid progression

But last night we had a full on temper tantrum and gkick during smokderon

[chilly brook]

Oof

Story time?

[lusty tiger]

mythic?

[chilly brook]

Speaking of raid

Got a brand last night

[lusty tiger]

gz

[chilly brook]

Thing is nutty

[chilly brook]

It even got loot counciled to me

[uneven mason]

One of the Hunter decided to argue about strategy and was told that he can test that on his own time, he had a toddler tantrum about it, so was told to sit, and just lost his mind

[lusty tiger]

that means ur a gam3r

[lusty tiger]

wtf lol

[uneven mason]

Nah not yet that's next week probably

[chilly brook]

Same actually

Next week is mythic

[lusty tiger]

i mean wtf is there to argue about on smolderon strats for heroic lol it is pretty cut and dry

[uneven mason]

We only prog 4 hours a week so we're still in heroic

[uneven mason]

Right?

[chilly brook]

Same actually

I’d ask if you’re in my guild but that didn’t happen to us last night

[uneven mason]

He wanted us to reduce the people soaking so there was less chance of the boss getting orbs...or people could just get their fuckin orbs

[chilly brook]

That’s like omega stupid

Orbs=more damage

Therefor more people soaking=more damage done to boss

[uneven mason]

So yeah when he was like fuck you guys, gkick hammer slapped him

[uneven mason]

And our ret paladin just went off in him

[chilly brook]

Mans is gonna shoot up in io next week

[uneven mason]

This specifically

[lusty tiger]

im so dang ready!

[chilly brook]

I’m like 2830 rn

So ready for next week

[daring marlin]

wewlad

[lusty tiger]

❤️

[chilly brook]

Have several 18/19s on tyran I need to get to over 20s

[daring marlin]

Looks like my pally when I started playing him in S1 lmaoooo

[lusty tiger]

same

but as prot

some shit is gonna be wack on tuesday

the timeways boss

how tf am i gonna heal that on a 22???

a 23 fort it was like the most impossible thing lol

[chilly brook]

Really wanna get everything to at least 22 on fort before reset

[daring marlin]

...skill issue

:^)

[lusty tiger]

);

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately I had people troll my 23 keys 😦

[lusty tiger]

they do that

[chilly brook]

Overpull on first pull, don’t kick once, dies. Leaves.

[cinder nova]

Just tank your own keys 4hed

[lusty grotto]

o

[lusty grotto]

but what is guilford doing in s3

chipadin getting geared up this week

got 10 ilvl and 4 pc at least

in a day

[lusty tiger]

s3 guil right now:

[lusty grotto]

giga bad luck as always though 🙂

yeah idk

im not that motivated either

could just be burn out

good raid, good dungeons, so its not the game at all

at least alts give me a reason to play hehe

[vocal flame]

Silly question, using your own key has no effect on the vault does it? For example if you time a 7 key from someone else its the same as timing a 7 key of your own?

[lusty grotto]

no difference

[vocal flame]

ok ty!

[opaque quest]

I was super motivated this season

Im not burnt out at all

[vocal flame]

you mind sending the link so I can look mine up?

[opaque quest]

Just go to RIO and search for your character

https://raider.io/

[daring marlin]

Maybe S4. S3 I sleep.

[opaque quest]

Same

[plush tendon]

[vocal flame]

ty!

[chilly brook]

I’m vibin as a DPS boi

[chilly brook]

I believe in you

[left basalt]

can't wait for vault tomorrow

[teal swift]

👋

[chilly brook]

👋

[opaque quest]

Get a room

Disgusting

Waving is the first step to holding hands

[uneven mason]

Rooach going ksm Andy and ikari is trying to push, have we entered the twilight zone?

[uneven mason]

Bruh

[sick sentinel]

some warlock out there trying

[uneven mason]

Dpsing keys has been stressful this season, I wait for the tanks to gather shit and still rip aggro in pugs, like bruh are you pressing buttons

[pallid quiver]

most are not

can confirm from pug raiding

[opaque quest]

i doubt i reach KSM this season lmao. Im more like a 1.5k Andy

[strong forum]

damn

you going even more casual than me this patch

[uneven mason]

Just w some 13s

[opaque quest]

To busy hunting monsters and playing remnant with friends

[old mountain]

Prot shouldnt be using ww right?

[uneven mason]

It's 2500 for glows?

[opaque quest]

Might do. Are 13s enough for KSM?

[strong forum]

ye 2.5 for glow

[uneven mason]

@dusky canopy

[opaque quest]

You only use WW and Rend

[strong forum]

im burned out from MH

[uneven mason]

Yeah with the other keys you have done

[uneven mason]

All seriousness, no, ww and slam should never be used

[strong forum]

since people are just trolling, no we dont use slam, whirlwind or press rend manually

[grizzled nova]

ideally it and slam have the little halo in your spellbook where blizzard is trying to remind you it isn't on any of your bars

[opaque quest]

Was the same for the last year but a friend and i started a new playthrough. We are gonna do raging brachy today

[opaque quest]

Sweet will do

[strong forum]

raging brachy is legit where im stuck on

xdd

cba

[opaque quest]

I got full fatalis armor but cant beat brachy. Hes my bane

[strong forum]

bruh i barely have r12 armor

[opaque quest]

Today im going with full antiblast evade window health boost and so on

[grizzled nova]

giga poe league in 5 days tho guys

perfect wow burnout time

[strong forum]

yeah but cyberpunk 2.1 tomorrow

[terse spoke]

Yo quick question, is tindral a tough boss to tank on hc? one of our guild tanks is absent and im not really used to tanking, but im thinking about trying if its not that hard

[strong forum]

nah

just taunt swap when stacks are high

and soak shit

should be chill

[opaque quest]

Rank doesnt matter. You can upgrade everything to the same lvl

[strong forum]

i cant yet

not far enough in the story

i cba grinding lands

[old mountain]

Didnt think so, uh, follow up question then bc I been running +'s lately and im not sure if its bc ppl are just vastly better geared than me or what but b4 I set into my groove, and while rounding up trash to keep em all together, dps keep getting aggro bc I cant do enough dmg to keep it.

[strong forum]

im like MR 48 or smth

[opaque quest]

Grinding lands are pog. Only with friends tho. Solo is pain

[strong forum]

never played MH:W in group

so idk

im a full solo player in mh usually

[opaque quest]

i would be burnt out too then. No hate. This game is breaking me when im solo

[strong forum]

i played rise in group with my bestie

that was insanely fun

[uneven mason]

DPS need to not blow their load until you get the pack gathered

[opaque quest]

MH in a grp is goated

[old mountain]

👍 Just makin sure I wasnt overlooking something graci

[uneven mason]

There is a bit of a gap , some specs have gigga burst so if they slap buttons they can pull off of you, make sure you're maximizing your ae burst
Be in battle stance, use avatar, ravager, demo, roar, shield charge etc

Avatar and sc should basically be available every pack

Don't forget you have challenging shout

[old mountain]

Yeh its the fact that I use it so often is why im askin XD

[uneven mason]

Also I know dh and retains love to try and rush ahead, if they're doing that

[dusky canopy]

Revenge doesn’t even 360 nom

[uneven mason]

Stop and let them eat shit

[dusky canopy]

Smh

[old mountain]

ngl I started tanking bc of a dh tank who wouldnt stop XD

[dusky canopy]

Prot Warrior owns

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/zw9bpxl.png

[old mountain]

its true

tho Ive been playing blood for years

[copper lion]

I don't thihnk I can seriously get higher than +20 keys in pugs, I need a solid grp

[old mountain]

I should ad an addedum I started PROT tanking bc of said DH

[copper lion]

hence why I give up on higher keys

[strong forum]

i just dont pug

legit refuse to pug

[copper lion]

yea I don't have that, I gues i need to find a a guild

I legit get frustrated and become that shit tank you just mentioned

I'm in +20s doing more dps than actual dps

[old mountain]

snort

[copper lion]

how are these people timing +20s?

[uneven mason]

Getting carried

[strong forum]

if you throw enough shit at the wall

eventually something will stick

thats also how alot of people get high rio score

[copper lion]

I have depleted all my 20s this week

[strong forum]

alot of people

[old mountain]

Also final question, the venom from ths spiders in BRH is that dispellable?

[strong forum]

its magic

so yes

[copper lion]

go back and forth between +21 and then +20 then +19, then time again get another +20, then deplete again

[strong forum]

your healer should dispell you on CD

[old mountain]

HAH victory screech

[strong forum]

and you need to use CDs to live until the next dispel

[uneven mason]

So what I do, unless I have a reason to drop combat, I'm already pulling and moving to the next pack while they're finishing up the previous one

Gives me a head start on aggro

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-ron-burgundy-wise-buddha-gif-18026649

[old mountain]

thats fair this guy tho, like, was actively letting the rest of us die bc we couldnt keep up

[lusty karma]

I normally SR at the start and pull up to the big spider, then rotate defensives until healer clenses me (also playing dwarf so I just pop racial to remove at like 10-15 stacks)

[uneven mason]

Head to the top, pop CDs,shockwave, murder the little spiders, hit racial
Because healers can't be trusted

[lusty karma]

Yep, once most little spiders are dead I pull up to the top and combo with either 1 or 2 packs depending on group

[uneven mason]

Fond memories of that pull in legion on bolstering

[old mountain]

last bit is factual bc the reason I asked initially is a healer wanted to argue with me that I was bad at tanking bc he couldnt clense the thing, then left

[uneven mason]

Literal raid boss spider

[lusty karma]

Just make sure not to LoS/range them too much, otherwise it's their fault

[uneven mason]

Make sure you let them know you're heading all the way up, otherwise they'll stop moving

[old mountain]

fair

[toxic pewter]

when the crest caps get raised tomorrow does it make more sense to upgrade my crests early in the week vs later

the 'trading up' system where I can swap 90 whelpling into 15 drake crests for example

[copper lion]

Did they fix the LOS trick in EB?

I tried on my alt dk and it was not working or I was failing miserably

[uneven mason]

They did afaik

[blazing condor]

They fixed it

[uneven mason]

Upgrading counts for cap anyway but you can use the crests early

Unless you have no flightstones

[copper lion]

makes me feel better then

[uneven mason]

Because that's been a thing

[toxic pewter]

ok yeah so i am gonna do the swap earlier so i can get access to upgrades faster

[uneven mason]

Sitting at 3/4 because 600 flightstones for a tier

Flightstones suck this tier

They made the flightstones grind toxic AF

Instead of the useless upgrade for crests, give me avendor that I can trade crests for flightstones

[pallid quiver]

man, i wish most of the people whose days I want to ruin with insults didn't just instantly hop off the game when they got their rage moments out

i don't insult people often, but when i do

holy shit they can't stop going off on other people

[uneven mason]

[copper lion]

Are dungeons best way to farm flightstones?

[uneven mason]

Yeah low keys that you can crush in 5m

[copper lion]

ok

[pallid quiver]

I had a terrible key experience with a rogue constantly shitting on all the other players

because he was doing like 10k more DPS on each pull

and because people weren't going fast enough for him

(we also didn't have enough count anyway for where we were going, but he didn't gaf, naturally)

[uneven mason]

Sorry, you can probably get more if you join a seed farm and have a ton of seeds

[cinder nova]

In this economy? Isn't warrior just flat out dogpiss atm DPS-wise?

[toxic pewter]

best way to get flightstones i think is seed farming

it suk ass tho

but i think may be most efficient

[urban portal]

Dog piss is a strong word

[uneven mason]

No, but that's the public perception

It's more that certain specs were just flat out op

But that's being addressed tomorrow

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[uneven mason]

It's not every day you see blanket 15-30% nerfs

[urban portal]

If by 15 you mean 5

Then yeah

Both havoc and rogue only got about 4-5

[plush tendon]

the nerfs are super soft

but warrior DPS is in a balanced spot right now

[toxic pewter]

isnt the havoc nerf like 3% or some crap lmao

[plush tendon]

we just dealing with rework buff still

[uneven mason]

12% to 3 abilities

[toxic pewter]

apparently 5% nerf

[urban portal]

Which is about 4-5%

[uneven mason]

Which are their major burst abilities

[toxic pewter]

how much ahead are dh tho

[urban portal]

More than 4-5%

Apb why don’t u do keys with me anymore

[strong forum]

only if youre bad

[urban portal]

My rogue got 4p

[strong forum]

crit still does 300-400k overall

[toxic pewter]

im down to do more but i literally have been farming atal dazar only for the trinket still havent gotten it

[urban portal]

I need any key bro

[toxic pewter]

i also have been playing my ele shaman

just find it really fun

[teal swift]

Self quote lul

[woven torrent]

how many stacks do u guys swap hc tindral at?

[hardy snow]

I thought SW will last until end of bleed, but it fall off before last two ticks

[hardy snow]

first swap can be done at whatever amount, then swap when debuff falls off

thats the general rule for swaps on bosses with such stacks in general, unless there is something special to do

[cinder nova]

Really? What's the finesse? And how is arms v fury?

[strong forum]

TLDR is

play whichever of the 2 you like

fury is tankier

but thats about it

thats the only diff

[teal swift]

Arms doesn't require two weapons

[cinder nova]

Really? Arms has IP

[strong forum]

arms doesnt play IP anymore

[cinder nova]

Lame

[uneven mason]

Wasting rage

Fury just has a ton of passive healing

I went fury for smokderon progress last night because you don't change anything to get the healing while arms that's a huge chunk of rage doing nothing

[sick sentinel]

my spec talents is cursed

due to having 4 set season 2

[left basalt]

you've had 2 charges of catalyst so far?

no champion gear to turn yet?

[karmic plinth]

aegis is a bold choice

[sick sentinel]

im only going to do catalyst on hero and above

and then myth later on

[silent vessel]

why are you crippling yourself

[left basalt]

are you running 17's then?

[sick sentinel]

isnt it more crippling to put it on 3/5 rank gear?

[left basalt]

for hero gear, or how are you going to get hero gear?

[dusky canopy]

Yogi

[sick sentinel]

instead of 4/5?

[dusky canopy]

Put it on hero track

You are able to farm that

[silent vessel]

^ should be at least

[dusky canopy]

You do not need t31 to do 17s

Don’t listen to bad advice

[silent vessel]

4pc s2 is plenty

[silent vessel]

not referring to catalyst but you not having hero gear

[sick sentinel]

thats my gear

[silent vessel]

the heck is that interface

[sick sentinel]

its called narcissa

[silent vessel]

thats plenty of gear, stop chatting go gaming

[dusky canopy]

I should get that addon

Kinda cool

Does it auto open with C

[sick sentinel]

mostly flash

[dusky canopy]

Or is it a separate bind

[daring marlin]

He's afraid

[sick sentinel]

yes but no

[dusky canopy]

Yogi didn’t you do your first 20 with ghash last season?

[sick sentinel]

im afraid of 18s that are like, both dotis pretty much and the 2 legion ones

[silent vessel]

just go atal dazar

gives you helmet and trinket

its free

like freehold

[sick sentinel]

the best key i ever ran was a 19 vp

[dusky canopy]

Solid

[silent vessel]

BRH also free

[left basalt]

spam WM 18 or AD, or even BRH

they are free

join my group we'd love to help out if you want

ez vault slot

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

18 ad would give alot of gear i can use from drops

i know for fact weapon, i think a ring is crit haste

[left basalt]

i did a single 20 all of season 1, we farmed 4 20's third week of this season already, just press W and have fun

[silent vessel]

EU wow dying for anyone else rn

[woven torrent]

yea

my realm died when i was completing a +29

😭

[silent vessel]

pepehands

[urban portal]

29 wtf

[left basalt]

[woven torrent]

kappa

[trim condor]

I feel retails is paying tax for classic season. I have login queues since they launched it

[marble gale]

@silent vessel Yeah, big amount of realms seems to be offline

[silent vessel]

well didnt wanna play anyway

madge

[thorn sage]

At max ilvl, are embellishments worth it for Prot over the ilvl loss of non-crafted max ilvl gear?

[silent vessel]

yes they are still worth it, but for the reason you mentioned we put it in the weakest slots

[woven torrent]

looks like classic is offline too

[dusky canopy]

I think flavor pocket is worth the loss on ring as well

Plus free socket to make up for it

Parsing raid you don’t care about flavor pocket

[cinder nova]

Flavor pocket is cope

[dusky canopy]

But for keys I think it’s worth

Specially if you pug

[strong forum]

ill put flavor pocket on ring next week

[uneven mason]

Just don't die

[dusky canopy]

That’s what I’m doing too nom

[uneven mason]

[dusky canopy]

Desired stats and socket big gains

[cinder nova]

I haven't touched it since I started the xpac, I don't think less than 1% mainstat is ever gonna decide a pull or key

[marble gale]

I have WA for Spell Reflection, does anyone have any suggestion for a WA for Spell Block, or even better one WA for both Spell Block and Spell Reflection?

[dusky canopy]

The way you look at small main stat increases is in terms of the whole group

If everyone has an extra 76 mainstat it starts to be more valuable

[uneven mason]

I mean, to be fair, it's probably the same impact 3ilvl on a ring or neck

[cinder nova]

x5 is still not even making a blip on the radar tbh

Not in a key overall anyway

[dusky canopy]

Fair point but in terms of bleeding edge key on time all possible edges stacked together make all the difference

[cinder nova]

Yeah but almost nobody here is doing those

[dusky canopy]

Also fair point

[cinder nova]

Like it isn't bad, no way it's great

But I think people hype it way too hard

[dusky canopy]

True 76 main stat x5 doesn’t auto complete a 20

That’s kinda besides the point though

[median tulip]

Just don't die. EZ