protection

[chilly brook]

Works on the application

[patent osprey]

but doesn't actually do any damage, even though details says we do infinite

LOL

[chilly brook]

Which helps somewhat

But more so helpful on the pack after

[patent osprey]

the application isn't what really hurts though

but yeah its much better on the imp packs

[chilly brook]

The bats are just evil

[strong forum]

wdym 500k ticks in a 21 is totally balanced

[chilly brook]

Yeah totally

Honestly would spell block even be broken if it just worked on all dots

[patent osprey]

yes

LOL

[strong forum]

just make it work on deios, thx

[patent osprey]

itd prob make us one of the best raid tanks

if it worked on dots

[chilly brook]

It’s a 2m cd

[patent osprey]

2m cd, that last 30 seconds

[chilly brook]

That’s still at best 25% uptime

[strong forum]

its a 1.5min cd

in a world where BDK exists, would it be that bad to be able to block dots in raid?

[chilly brook]

I’d honestly think it would be better to just have it block everything

And blacklist the few things that it would break

[shut summit]

can sblock almost every dot that matters in raid anyways

would rather just not have the talent and lean more into spell reflect actually working eeven if just as deflect

[grand veldt]

It's not pad with DH I thought bc doesn't mirror dance put 50% reduction in healing for them?

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/FliZfBi.png

[grand veldt]

So at the least they get only 50% hp back, or you could have the rogue run wound poison

Yeah then the rogue needs to run wound for that

I guess mirror no longer does healing debuff

[chilly brook]

It would be nice but having spell block now I don’t think I would be for that, spell block itself is such a nice hole filler in the kit itself

Spell reflect while it’s great that it’s like a 20(?) second cd for prot I don’t think it’s up enough for some packs in m+

[grand veldt]

I mean yeah I would love a 15s cd instead

Would actually be nuts

[chilly brook]

I mean we’d all like a shorter CD

But that would legit be broken

[grand veldt]

Prot has 20s and for some reason my omni cd says fury and arms have 25s cd

[chilly brook]

Because they are 25s on the dps specs

[strong forum]

because they are 25s

[grand veldt]

Oh I always assumed it was a glitch

[chilly brook]

Prot was 25s as well

Changed last season iirc

[grand veldt]

Interesting

[pallid quiver]

I think it should be a 2 second CD, especially in PvP 🙂

[grand veldt]

5 more seconds and I think you could almost reflect all the casts on third boss EB

[mossy elk]

Is there a positive relation between Rezans Gleaming Eye and the tier set? I assume it gets consumed like any other bleed, but is that actually good?

[pallid quiver]

2P specifies class bleeds

[chilly brook]

Don’t believe it gets consumed at all

[mossy elk]

Oh, missed that - damn

[chilly brook]

Trinkets and class stuff generally don’t interact

[grand veldt]

Yeah we even tried them

It doesn't touch the bleeds

[strong forum]

would be pretty bad if it did

[mossy elk]

Thats what I was thinking - 40% of the bleed from rezans would make it useless I think

[chilly brook]

But muh DR

[strong forum]

my whole 0.2 keylevels of DR

(technically even less)

[pallid quiver]

The main reason it's good for Deep Wounds/Rend is because we can reapply, allowing us to sort of pseudo-"stack" bleed applications when we consume them

[chilly brook]

Bro you don’t understand that’s huge

That means I get ticked for 499k on the bat dot instead of 500k!

[torn gulch]

those bats are so broken it's not even funny

uldaman basilisks part 2

i have to play them like s1 shadowlands kite meta

go in stun all 4 spell reflect and i'm gone

[chilly brook]

After you reflect you’re good for another like 14 seconds

Get the mob CD thing that shows their CDs over their health bars

[torn gulch]

i mean i stick around a couple of seconds then i am gone

but yeah that is a good call

[chilly brook]

@ashen coral tanked a throne yesterday, the cast that the shell dudes do on the tank is not the reflectable cast

You were getting baited

They do a physical damage increase cast or something on the tank

[grand veldt]

It shows you the timer, so if you leap away, fear, then reflect again , you should be able to time a triple ref again

I didn't know it just hesls them though

Definitely gonna have a rogue with wound poison on from now on in dht

[pallid quiver]

If it didn't heal them and did that much damage, those packs would explode

[grand veldt]

I mean 50% of that damage is still good in my books

[ashen coral]

Oh i saw it on the sheet but maybe i was mistaken

Isn’t it crushing depth ?

[pallid quiver]

The tank cast is something like Shellbreaker or something like that

Crushing Depths is cast on one of the DPS/Heals and is the healing absorb mechanic

[fast gale]

is prot warrior just not a thing for leveling in dungeons? i cant seem to maintain any rage or threat right now in SoD

[pallid quiver]

So not only is this retail focused, SoD is also extremely new and more based on classic with factors that could influence threat gen

i'd recommend going to an actual classic discord/chat SoD discussion about that one

[hushed bluff]

anyone know what should i get for more crit

[hardy ridge]

probably gear with crit

jewelry with haste/crit would help

[hushed bluff]

my rings dont have slot for gem

[hardy ridge]

i didnt mean to socket them

[hushed bluff]

enchant?

[hardy ridge]

jewelry with crit as a secondary

for example your neck is vers/mast it has no crit

[hushed bluff]

i think i should get tot neck

[hardy ridge]

but just wear your highest ilvl you dont need to overthink it that much

you can farm dungeons for specific stats as well

[hushed bluff]

should i change all of it to crit haste

[grim pilot]

that's so fucking stupid

[hardy ridge]

in general Versatility = Crit so its up to you

[hushed bluff]

i had 700k damage done on that bat pack

700k per sec

[grim pilot]

yeah but it's just pad

as pika says

so it's irrelevant

[grand veldt]

Get a rogue to wear wound poison

They should be able to easily take the talent over mind numbing

It'll be 50% reduced healing but the damage will be the same

[grim pilot]

wound is not talent

afaik

[grand veldt]

Wound is base 30%

3 stacks at 10%

There's a talent that adds 2 more stacks I think? I can check rq

Improved wound poison

You have them take that over mind numbing poison

Idk what happened to mirror dances reducing on healing but wound poison is far more reliable anyways

[chilly brook]

No it's not

[grand veldt]

If you hate yourself you could have another warrior mortal strike

And sweeping strikes 2 at a time

[chilly brook]

Crushing depths does not get cast on the tank

[grand veldt]

It can but literally only when they are the only targets in combat

So you'd have to do the math if it's worth waiting 15s to reflect one and have the 2nd one not go off

[chilly brook]

tbh the play might be to have dps/ healers hold off until it gets cast

cuz they usually sync

[grand veldt]

I doubt it's worth it but maybe the damage is unhealable

I tested already

The other guard will not cast the second one

It resets the cd

[chilly brook]

it's mega stonks to get a reflect on that

[grand veldt]

That said

You can reflect it and it gives the full 30s duration of damage

[chilly brook]

does a shit ton of damage

[grand veldt]

Which is like a lot

I don't know if it's viable yet but I imagine it eventually would work out that way if the key couldn't be healed on that debuff

[chilly brook]

well it's less about if the key is healable

and more the actual damage of the dot is worth doing to the mob

[grand veldt]

Yeah I think it's worth the dam but I need to see meters to be certain

[chilly brook]

pretty sure I only got to reflect one in that 22

[grand veldt]

Yeah in a 27

It's probably the play

To just let the warriors get targeted and keep everyone else out of combat

Just requires a group that's not dumb

[chilly brook]

I just gotta decide if I wanna attempt pugging this or not

[grim pilot]

doubt that would be the play since it would require half the group to stay out of comabt for like 30 seconds

[chilly brook]

the crush is usually cast right away

[grand veldt]

15 seconds

[chilly brook]

it's pretty quick

[grand veldt]

It's a 15 second delay fs

I tested it

The cd nameplate thing is accurate

And idk in a 27 maybe it is the play because it could do 8 or 9 mil damage

Which is more than half it's hp

[chilly brook]

even in a 22

one reflect was more damage than any other ability I did

or the DH

or the lock

it's mega stocks

and the earlier you reflect on the packs with them the better

it only scales from there

[grand veldt]

If you have a war dps you just have tank and war go together

But if it's just warrior tank

The damage needs to be enough to merit not bringing others in the pull

Or it needs to be justified by being something that is unhealable, so you're doing it slower to get past something that's not possible

Kinda like reflect was needed for NL only when the damage became hard 1 shots for bears

[grim pilot]

That wasnt the issue

What was the issue was damage on boss

Reflect made the boss die faster therefore no extra add phase

and with every add his spellqueue gets more and more fucked

so you dont even get a wall at some point

[chilly brook]

I mean....

can't seem to find a duration either

[grim pilot]

30 sec

[chilly brook]

more than enough for it to essentially kill the mob on its own

[grand veldt]

I don't believe it does that much damage when it's cast on them

I think it's like set amounts

But I can test it in my next pug

[chilly brook]

might as well

[grim pilot]

1% health

your health

I assume

[grand veldt]

If it's 10% your health we could do interesting tricks with Stam trinkets, talents and last stand plus shout

[grim pilot]

1 debuff did

5.5m

in 25

just now

[grand veldt]

How much HP does the warrior have

I can do the math

But if it's scaling up with key level it's more than just % based

So the play would be on single packs of this mob have the tank go on in and reflect it and dragging the 2 casters into the next pack

After it dies

[grim pilot]

i got 780k

as arms

[grand veldt]

If it was just percent based it should not do 5 mil

So whatever the scaling is

[grim pilot]

I assume it's

[grand veldt]

It's more aggressive or has coefficients

[grim pilot]

% + key level scale

[grand veldt]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

still wouldn't make much sense

[grim pilot]

idk

I'm just trying to think of a solution

[chilly brook]

in a 25 you're at like 5x dam

so it would shake out to like over 10m

[grand veldt]

Yeah I'm not sure

I'm waiting on a connecting flight or I could look at some numbers somewhere

[patent osprey]

its def not worth waiting to have crushing depths on the tank vs. just attacking the pack as a 5 man

U never have crushers alone, and even in the double crusher you would pull that whole hallway into those crushers

[grand veldt]

What if it's just an unhealable number though

Like yeah it'd slow the run down

But if it's a hard blockade

[patent osprey]

Its almost never unhealable :/

and at that point

bring a prot pally

LOL

[grand veldt]

Oh true

Forgot

The immunity

Yeah true

[patent osprey]

like if ur in a 30 Fortified, just spellward + Lay on hands

2 debuffs gone

[grand veldt]

Yeah

That's a really good point

Now make trell play rogue and use wound poison

In dht

[grim pilot]

does loh cover that

[grand veldt]

Probably would?

[tired basin]

I'm dying to the Larodar charge way too frequently. Also, I see other specs run out into the burning patches to conserve space but I take too much damage when I do that. Am I missing something?

[sly hamlet]

u guys playing versitility or eye in the storm flask in M+?

[tired basin]

Depends on pull size and dungeon.

Usually eye in the storm though.

[sly hamlet]

how long does buff of eye in the strom last?

till mob that hit u dies?

and do casts trigger it as well?

is it capped?

[tired basin]

5 stacks

Is the cap

Not sure how long it last. Never paid attention.

But yes, casts count. The first damaging ability from a new enemy adds a stack.

[patent osprey]

Mortal wound from dh is actually better no or the same?

Its really good on sanguine for havoc to run it

[grand veldt]

I don't know if the DH still has it

Sense posted logs

[patent osprey]

They do

[grand veldt]

Okay

Then yeah

[patent osprey]

He plays it on sang and waycrest

[grand veldt]

Just remember to call for it

And then boom

Spell reflect only half pad

[patent osprey]

If u have mortal wound the 4th boss in waycrest doesnt go back to full each time

[soft plume]

who is in charge of making one handed axes at blizzard

[grand veldt]

Omg

[grand veldt]

I can't believe I didn't realize that

BTW did you like that captain trick pull?

[soft plume]

who made gholak and thought making it as tiny as possible would be acceptable

[patent osprey]

Yeah i hate it. Makes me have less reflects so my overall goes down

[grand veldt]

I temember you guys had count issues

Yeah lmfao

At least we don't have to leap 4 times

[patent osprey]

Lol nah we dont use anything fancy in there for count. Even on 27 we had 4+ mins left

[grand veldt]

Oh man I'm insufferable when I find something I think can be useful I'll just shoe horn that shit in lmfao

I do that pull always

[toxic pewter]

why no nerfs to vengence dh damage

am i missing something

[grand veldt]

Why no nerf to vengeance runes

Or magic damage reduction

There's a lot of questions

But I think they want vdh to be the Fotm rn

[jagged gust]

are they tho

[toxic pewter]

i was browsing warcraftlogs and their damage seemingly is insane

[grand veldt]

I don't think the fotm choices are on accident

[patent osprey]

Right now meta is shaping up to be prot pal>dh>bdk/prot war

[soft plume]

im glad we're not the bottom

[grand veldt]

Is it confirmed dk can parry during legendary channel?

And yeah, I mean guardian always had dead last

Kind of surprised how weak brm has been overall

[patent osprey]

Guardian is either First or last

depends on how broken they are that tier/season

[grand veldt]

I think prot war is the best for EB, WCM, and probably tides

A solid second for DHT

Being able to leap that frontal is significant

[soft plume]

what frontal

[jagged gust]

breath from the tree

[soft plume]

what do u mean by leap it

like away from it?

[jagged gust]

you outrange it so you dont take the dot

same as deios

[grand veldt]

Wtf

You mean

The same as delos

I've been getting my ass donkey fucked for no reason on Delos fffs

And yeah the breath being avoidable is really significant more because crushing grip is right after

And it's actually pretty hard to live if you're not topped off

[jagged gust]

Yep, so you dont have your IP get depleted by the dot and helps mitigate more of the grab

[grand veldt]

Yeah that's huge

[grand veldt]

Should I be jumping backwards or to the sides like tree boss?

[jagged gust]

For both bosses you need to jump in a direct line away from the boss, direction doesn't matter so long as you're not dropping the breath on your group. If you jump at an angle you will still be in range of the breath attacks and depending on the key will most likely die quite quickly

[bleak breach]

So camera up and just leap backwards?

I’ve never tried it

[jagged gust]

More or less, just watch the timer like a hawk, if you jumped at the wrong angle you still have a bit of time to run a bit to continue to try to outrange it

[glad brook]

egg shell or gift of ursine?

[lament shell]

smol question

why cant i death strike in rezans mouth nor in

tree grip on dht

is this intendet?

[grand veldt]

I was told you can death steike

But we can't impending victory

Which was very annoying to me

[lament shell]

nah you cant its so bad

[bleak breach]

What’s the strat they run on super high keys for the grip?

We timed the 20 lastnight, I was playing fury my mate played blood and he was getting destroyed by the grip

[jagged gust]

tell the healer "this hurts"

There's nothing you can really do other than pop defensives and pray your healer can keep you up

[lament shell]

you cant use death strike on the grip

[cerulean tusk]

Rotate defensives and pray, yepyep. You can leap as he grabs you up, to avoid the whole mechanic, works 4/10 times.

[jagged gust]

I wonder if on a 30 or something you can have a DPS taunt and immune for those situations

[sick sentinel]

oh thank god, im saved farming a ton of rep, can just do it on my rogue lol

[cerulean tusk]

when you immune, you drop threat if you aint a hunter, no?

Aka, bubble/BoP and so on

You can drop darkness under the crush, I guess

[jagged gust]

30% of the time it works everytime

Hmm, what if you immune the tank mid grab and then cancelaura taunt macro

[cerulean tusk]

just remember to tell melee, so they dont get slapped by accident

[sick sentinel]

Do we ever use the talents Tough as Nails over Spell Block in M+ or the raid?

[hardy snow]

of course, spell block is mega

[jagged gust]

Honestly if you're just running your weekly 18 for vault or 16/17 for hero/crests idk if you even need to use splock to survive, the amount of times I forget it's on my bars is almost embarrassing

[chilly brook]

It’s helpful on specific pulls

Last pull in tunnel of DHT before last boss for example

[sick sentinel]

I am in this position and it feels like a wasted talent often

[jagged gust]

Yeah like if you're in raid or learning to push it's amazing obvs, and you absolutely should get used to when it's necessary to use

[worn obsidian]

Hello, kinda new on war. Anyone know if i should update my default Mythic+ talent build after getting 4P T31 ?

[jagged gust]

But if your goal is just fill the vault, people are starting to push ilvl 480 and these packs are just melting before much damage leaks through your stuns and stops

[worn obsidian]

🙏

[mellow bridge]

pretty sure you cant press buttons in rezans mouth in general

but during grip you can 100% deathstrike

[warm plinth]

Yeah you have full control over your toon during grip other than movement. Rezan is different because you aren't supposed to get eaten.

[warm plinth]

Correct. Though prot paladin runs a talent that pulses taunt during divine shield so they don't lose threat when bubbling.

Could also run spellwarding for it I suppose and you don't lose threat from spellwarding

[cerulean tusk]

... The bubbletaunt that kills me 9/10 times as dps

:(

[warm plinth]

I've never lost aggro using it so idk

[cerulean tusk]

Paladins pop bubble, I die, they say they got the bubbletaunt

Turns me into dirt every time

[warm plinth]

Well idk what to tell you. Either they aren't running the talent or they're using it a billion miles away from the mobs

BoP will still drop threat regardless. It only works on bubble

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, we both standing inside the pack slapping and bappin'

Then I die suddenly

I ask the question

[strong forum]

cuz it can still bug

🙂

[cerulean tusk]

"did you bubble?"

[strong forum]

bubbletaunt was always bugged, and is still bugged

[warm plinth]

I've never once had it bug

[strong forum]

where it randomly can just not work

same with consecration

can just randomly not work

[sick sentinel]

if it were up to me, bubble would last for 30 seconds

but thats clearly busted

[toxic pewter]

lol

[urban portal]

in pvp too

[sick sentinel]

diffrent game type, yes, but he's one of the best champions

[toxic pewter]

if it is 30 seconds they can get 3 hearths off perhaps

[sick sentinel]

make it last 45 seconds and then you get 10 seconds immune followed by 10 seconds 50% less dmg followed by 25 seconds ticks down % wise

[sleek current]

Stinky

[sick sentinel]

sounds fair to me

okay, well, give DOOM to, uh... warlocks? or warriors..... the guy who casts it is a large warrior with warrior abilities

this one is even more fair

[sleek current]

Yeah. It'll go perfectly with their Battle Ress and nearly infinite interrupts. 😄

[sick sentinel]

put a dot on an enemy that it can never be dispelled and it deals dmg to them and when it ends a big demon appears

[urban portal]

thats not even close to being OP

you realize that you can talent corruption to be permanent

[sick sentinel]

sure, but it doesnt spawn a big dude once it kills them

[urban portal]

yeah

like that does anything to a raid boss

[sick sentinel]

there was a version where it was like a minute buff and it only went off 1-4 times a mnute for exchange big dmg and the demon

and then, it took so long to go off, it was never worth it

[urban portal]

so you would put it on a small add in m+

and the dot wouldnt do much damage

[sick sentinel]

i like the big red cloud warlocks had in shadowlands

[uneven mason]

Curse of Doom?

IT was absolutely worth it because it worked off of snap shotting

get it with your buffs stacked up it could be the #1 damage source in a raid fight (per ability)

[coarse meadow]

Anyone up for a 5 TANK DHT +16?

[vocal laurel]

In DHT, can you outrange the dreadburst cast upon death by the Hatespawn slimes?

[warm plinth]

Technically yes? It's a 60 yard range though

[novel temple]

Can we do seeds on fyrakk while tanking?

[light ermine]

is old 2pc worth keeping over 20 ilvls?

[median tulip]

Sim it, but almost certainly yes

[undone verge]

probably not

pretty sure the tank mechanic is shadowflame

[blazing condor]

Think they did that in rwf

A tank would hold a seed

[jagged gust]

That's what we've been doing, works like a charm

[graceful kite]

You 100% can

[blazing condor]

Im p sure you can IV on tree no?

[green bronze]

guess, i heard somebody on the internet(probably dratnos) said that pwar can solo bats in darkhearth thicket, how exactly we supposed to do that?

[blazing condor]

Spell reflect

But we dont ”live” it better

[final radish]

a weapon how much can improve my dps ? i have 421 weapon and not evern drop 1 time in my dungeon i have 465 i level

[blazing condor]

Besides reflecting

[blazing condor]

You can see how much if you sim it on raidbots

[final radish]

oh ye let me check

[green bronze]

so we cant solo those bats, we just thundering roar and kite?

[final radish]

i think im doing some thing wrong

i need some help 😦

my dps is low idk whats problem

[green bronze]

link your sim

[final radish]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Jiiraya?utm_source=addon

its my charecter

my last dungeon

87k overal

[green bronze]

damn dude, you pressing too many revenges and not enough thunderclaps and shield slams

[final radish]

im trying to use them in CD

and reveng more for aggro

when i played in season 1

[green bronze]

you seem to prioritize revenge, but revenge is low prio

you only press it when you don't have anything else to press

[final radish]

1 clap get all aggroes

[green bronze]

you got priority all wrong

thats how my damage breakdown looks

[final radish]

idk rly

mabe its becouse i have rly low hast

[drifting river]

why is there vakash? are you using the int 1H?

[final radish]

24 %

[green bronze]

im using gholak

[warm plinth]

Stats don't matter

[green bronze]

username checks out)

[drifting river]

damage breakdown says Vakash 👀

[final radish]

so mabe im using wronge with 4set ?

[green bronze]

bug probably

[warm plinth]

Your fundamental rotation is wrong friend. It has nothing to do with the tier set.

[final radish]

coz im not geting to much clap im using every clap i have

[warm plinth]

Get us a log and we can tell you exactly what you're doing wrong

[green bronze]

you have to prio shield slam at all times, clap when shield slam not available and spam IP

[final radish]

ok let me doing a dungeon and get a log

on ST prio like always is slam-clap if dont have revange-under 20% execute-slam-clap right ?

[warm plinth]

Slam>Clap>Revenge. Under 20%, Execute replaces Revenge.

So Slam>Clap>Execute

[final radish]

oh ok

[tired crystal]

I rarely even hit revenge as third, it goes back to slam on proc, revenge usually when slam/clap on cd and revenge is up/procced

[warm plinth]

That's how you're supposed to do it. It's a priority list, not a rotation.

[tired crystal]

Ah okay

[median tulip]

It does that for me too; smol indie company problems

[warm plinth]

They don't make enough money to fix this stuff guys

They only made $5.3 billion in profit last year

[median tulip]

They just cut and pasted the effect onto the next weapon and forgot to edit the name. It's not actually broken.

[drifting river]

I wouldn't know, I don't have Gholak

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna cut and paste my effect on to your weapon, if you know what I mean

[median tulip]

I only have the Normal version, albeit max upgrades

[sick sentinel]

seems like i get hit by banquet steward mobs in the back the most

[warm plinth]

Maybe you shouldn't get hit in the back by them

[sick sentinel]

and thorns guard apparently

cuz, the issue with old yogi has always been, YOU DIDNT BLOCK THE ATTACKS madge emoji

😠

and its true, it really is true

[median tulip]

IIRC those are immune to the root from Charge, so you tend to charge through them and end up facing away from them

[sick sentinel]

but i just dont understand how im putting my self to get back hit by mobs like that

where you guys wouldnt

cuz thats really just it, if i learned to stay in melee range and block the dmaned attacks

i'd be winner

[still lance]

Boys! I've been away for a lil while. What do we craft and with what embelishments?

[median tulip]

Gotta spin turn quick. Mouse on 6k DPI and mega high response time helps

[sick sentinel]

craft wrists and cloak if u are doing myth track keys

both with shadowflames

[still lance]

Roger that

[median tulip]

In the long run, you want Shadowflame on wrists and cloak. In the short term, you should consider a Shield if you don't have a good one, or a weapon.

[sick sentinel]

i sorta enjoyed monk for the brief time i played it in SL

[median tulip]

A Shield will be a much more immediate help to your key grinding, and sparks are not in short supply.

[sick sentinel]

paladin is just, something about it i dont like it

druid is omegalul to me, always has been

DH is fun dk is fine i guess, again probably too dumb to play bdk really

[final radish]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rw9NCHcWty6AGpDk#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1

grp wasnt good and key was on 17 low key

and i tryed to do as i can use my clap

[silent vessel]

there is no way you are too dumb to play BDK if you can play warrior

[restive scroll]

Well, i personally fall asleep while playing bdk, so ..

Can't that fall under the "dumb" category? ;)

[pallid quiver]

Your CPM is dreadfully low; before even looking at your cast breakdown, you need to press more buttons

[warm plinth]

The cast breakdown does look better, but yeah 48 cpm is really low

[pallid quiver]

Here's a casual AD I hit that's about the same duration over here with its cast breakdown:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Xct6GknN3LBgYR8#fight=3&type=casts&source=62

[warm plinth]

all your CDs are underused

[pallid quiver]

The biggest difference in comparison cast wise is that I just pressed more buttons in general

I had about 30 more casts of Thunder Clap without 4p, which resets the CD on TC

I also had 8 more casts of shield wall, and I even sat on it a few times during that key iirc

[warm plinth]

demo, TR, shield charge, ava, rav all underused

[jagged pier]

Same story different person pres buttons on CD

[pallid quiver]

You didn't press Storm Bolt a single time, so that was a wasted talent point

[warm plinth]

PRESS BUTTONS.

[pallid quiver]

You also wasted almost half the rage you generated with Shield Slam

[green bronze]

btw, guys, do you need anything for that https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg weakaura to work, it keeps telling me to reflect when im not the target of a spell

[pallid quiver]

5796 rage from shield slam, 2033 of it was wasted

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

I wish spell reflect WAs didn't exist

[pallid quiver]

Overall, you wasted over a third of all rage you generated

[jagged pier]

They are terrible ghash yes

[green bronze]

why, i installed it yesterday, should i delete it?

[pallid quiver]

Meanwhile, I wasted 309

[warm plinth]

They make people overthink spell reflect

Is a mob casting on you? Yes? Press it.

[jagged pier]

Even if it worked correctly it would tell u to sr any spell u can so u could waste on the big ones u have too

[pallid quiver]

So you need to press a lot more buttons, especially IP, just in general

[sick sentinel]

basically this

[warm plinth]

But yeah, there are times where you won't want to use it on spell x because spell y in the same fight is more important to reflect (usually due to it doing a lot of damage)

but WAs like that are basically just screaming at you to use it whenever possible.

[azure smelt]

Is shadowflame better than the haste pants for m+?

[warm plinth]

Yes, haste pants are a trap

[warm plinth]

[red otter]

Average classic enjoyer

[waxen frigate]

average "retail plays the game for you" andy

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bhjLBn19D3XRpCAM#fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=3&ability=214229

[waxen frigate]

Yogi can we do a key together

[sick sentinel]

this is just up time for that bad trinket, but im gunna see about finding out if i can see the total value it stopped

[waxen frigate]

It won’t show exactly in logs but there’s a way to very roughly estimate it

With a couple of assumptions that I’m not sure about

(Like whether it’s pre or post mitigation damage reduction)

[sick sentinel]

those blocked hit ratios are bad

[teal swift]

Where's my free portal 😦

[sick sentinel]

im trying to debate if i want to do vaults for my dk and paladin now

or i could just get io warrior cuz overall best toon

[civic holly]

hi guys, why did frostfire legs fall out of favour? just bc tier pants have nice stats?

[sudden burrow]

hey hey guys

[jagged pier]

because they have never been good

[sudden burrow]

some questions about prot warry haha ^^ what flask you use for m+ ?

[jagged pier]

vers

[sudden burrow]

runes are haste ?

[jagged pier]

yes

[soft plume]

in DHT tree boss, how do u manage to avoid breath, be in melee range for grip, all while getting aggro on adds? or do we just ignore adds ?

im always worried im gonna cleave people with stuff if i try running around the giant tree trying to get aggro on adds

[patent osprey]

There is only 1 really bad overlap mid boss fight where breath lines up with the tree adds. That one i would just save aoe taunt for. The rest you should have enough time especially if your saving dragons roar for the add spawns

I typically leap each breath so i can do so at the last few seconds so i can get as much aggro

[soft plume]

okay ill be more reserved with my aoe CDs

[patent osprey]

I also tend to walk into roots before each avatar to reduce the amount of adds that spawn

Avatar will release u from the root and make it hittable

[soft plume]

ill start doing that as well i didnt think of that

do u plan on replacing ur branch trinket or do u think its bis for higher keys

[patent osprey]

If i had fryakks heart i would use that

Over branch

[soft plume]

do u have an opinion on the ursine vengeance trinket

[pallid quiver]

just tell the 17 paladins everywhere to pop bubble and run through them smh

[sudden burrow]

do you guys use ballte or defensive stance ?

[pallid quiver]

I'm pretty sure your group proper doesn't have a paladin if I remember right, Pika

[patent osprey]

Its alright for a passive trinket but the healing is minimal. I have it on mythic but i still orefer branch

[patent osprey]

No pala

[sly hamlet]

still bugged right?

[pallid quiver]

The best way to think of it is defensive stance is a defensive CD with no actually limit on use, so default to battle unless you need

So if you're pushing bungi keys, you might be in it a lot. 20s, only for specific mechanics

[pallid quiver]

It's fixed, and is just alright

The proc at the end isn't anything to write gome about healing ir damage wise, but the strength from stacks is pretty neat

[sly hamlet]

I imagine it to be 8s of endless rage?

[patent osprey]

A mix. I recommend staying defensive stance and swapping to battle whenever u feel safe

If ur in high keys

[grizzled nova]

yeh if you're new/unsure, I would recommend going into pulls with dstance up and going back to battle once you've got ahold of everything and your rage eco is in full swing

[pallid quiver]

It has nothing to do with the rage resource

That's just flavor text

[sly hamlet]

ur hitting back every hit for 8s right? white hit = rage no?

[flat stratus]

and not a single damn trinket

got 4 wrist already from fall and i am sure it will pop on my vault

[patent osprey]

I got the trinket on my 1st run haha this season

Was great

[grizzled nova]

the counter attack is it's own thing not a white hit from you

that trinket would just be absurdly busted for pwar/guardian for no reason otherwise

[sly hamlet]

damn... thought that would just be insance on war 🤣

[fading leaf]

why do prot warriors go heavily into crit? Is it because of parry chance? Is parry that good?

[grizzled nova]

It is (generally) the most dps, parry is okay

[sullen gust]

Big damage increase and the parry is nice in m+

[grizzled nova]

You want to be haste heavy with as much crit as you can get, vers is okay too, mastery is the least ideal.

[fading leaf]

haste I get, I'm just wondering about crit. I want more damage than survivability?

[grizzled nova]

As long as you're haste heavy, the spread between other secondary stats is very low, like 3% best to worst case.

[grizzled nova]

Vers isn't strictly more suvivability than parry, the dtps profile isn't very different between the two.

Ilvl is generally the thing letting you live harder.

Have more stats > having "correct" stats.

[strong forum]

talking strictly dtps crit is by far the best stat as it removes the most dmg overall

its just not that hot vs bosses

[grizzled nova]

In a purely mathematical sense yes, but vs things that are actually gonna kill you, eh.

[strong forum]

but for big pulls its by far the best

as even in the most dangerous pulls, you get absolutely shredded by melee attacks

completely REMOVING large chunks of melee dmg allows IP and your general healthpool to work more against other sources

[patent osprey]

HOLD UP

[strong forum]

so it shouldnt be underestimated even if "melee dmg is generally not that dangerous"

[patent osprey]

VERSE POLICE HERE

[strong forum]

xd

[grizzled nova]

which is usually the pain point for living

[strong forum]

is it?

[fading leaf]

I see, thanks for the info. I have dps gear, I'll just mix it up with tank gear and check out what more crit feels like on 20s

[patent osprey]

VERSE also has its positives, ASSISTING with some of the most threatening damage sources like Bleed/Magic damage that parry has no assistance with. Yes parry can help ur overall damage intake be lowered in large pulls, but in general, if it is just melees, we are so bulky to that, that even your own impending victory will make you live. But it is definitely a preference on what you like Verse vs. Crit

[grizzled nova]

the difference between vers and crit in surviving large pulls is pretty whatever, both are doing work in different ways that hit near-equivalence

bosses that put absolutely clap your cheeks with bleeds and magic? vers is doing way more than crit

both for dr and ip efficiency

[strong forum]

which theres 1 of

deios

[charred gyro]

Are you saying 15% vers will save me from getting 1tapped by a 16stack bleed in tott?

[patent osprey]

brother if you are at 16 stacks, jesus can't save you

[strong forum]

dogs are straight up illegal

same as the bats

[patent osprey]

im actually not even scared of deios... im more scared of his stupid add summons that blast you constantly

[strong forum]

well i count those as 1 and the same

tbf

but yeah, absolute stupid boss fight

love having 2 adds up with uninterruptible hard casts

[patent osprey]

Verse helps me in all my pain points in dungeons which is why I like it. Im never like, damn I got hit by so many melees there, wish I had more parry XD

[strong forum]

• 70% uptime on dots

[fading leaf]

so what I'm thinking now is:
dungeon is magic heavy like rise or fall i want to prioritize vers over crit
physical heavier dungeons crit could be better

I think I'll give it a spin, see what it feels like

[strong forum]

fall is w/e

[patent osprey]

Im more like... holy shit this dot is bleeding me out, OH holy father, How I have sinned.

[charred gyro]

1 dispel after first boss brh

I beg

[strong forum]

fall is infinitely more dangerous to your group

than the tank

[fading leaf]

deios orbs + frontal wrecks me every time tho

[strong forum]

thats rise

[patent osprey]

Leap the frontal

[fading leaf]

you can? won't it turn after you?

[patent osprey]

Leap Frontal
Spell Block
Leap Frontal

[teal swift]

Dwarf moment

[strong forum]

outrange

not sidestep, outrange

[fading leaf]

oooh

[teal swift]

How do you leap the frontal btw

[patent osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eicb_SPwPRA

[teal swift]

Do you like leap away

[patent osprey]

I SWEAR TO GOD DON'T #promotion ME

[strong forum]

you peace the fuck out

[civic holly]

you range it

[strong forum]

#promotion !!!

[patent osprey]

Just look at 30:30

[civic holly]

it has a 40yd range

[teal swift]

Ah okay so you just run the fuck away

[civic holly]

or so

[grizzled nova]

I'm on team vers feels pretty good as well

[civic holly]

so you just get the hell away and it doesnt reach you

[teal swift]

I wasn't sure if it was some weird jank angle

[civic holly]

you just cant let it hit your team :p

[strong forum]

cant believe mr strimmer SHAMELESSLY advertises

[turbid hemlock]

HAHAHA

[patent osprey]

Ok man, its better than the MS PAINT drawings ive been seeing in here the last week

[teal swift]

When pika uses thunderclap

And there's too much thunder

[strong forum]

love paint

[turbid hemlock]

[fading leaf]

:ooo thanks man gone check your stuff out

[patent osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/butt-i-luv-patrick-yea-gif-13484694

is that the clap you want @teal swift

[teal swift]

What

The

Fuck

[toxic pewter]

lol

[civic holly]

do you guys think ill miss out much if i get frostifre legs and lariat?

stick to what i know/like

prob only do like 22/23

[charred gyro]

I wanna live in a world where equinox stays brew, pika stays prot bc i know - then its truly balanced

[teal swift]

Or you can send double shadowflame

And feel spicy

[patent osprey]

You can play whatever you want and you honestly won't feel much difference

were talking about pennies on the dollar

[civic holly]

ok awesome

thanks

[patent osprey]

Sorry, EQ is a prot pally main this tier

VDH/Prot Pally

[civic holly]

does vdh seem ahead of ppally or too soon to tell?

[strong forum]

nothing has crystallized itself yet

itll take a while until the big push groups are going at it

and hitting walls

rn everybody is just playing what they like and seems good

[civic holly]

it does seem pre nice

good change after 10.1.5

[grizzled nova]

aren't we all

utility

I just did a pug eb

with a ret that freedom'd the debuff off me on every flower pull

without me saying anything

it was magical

[strong forum]

its so dumb

that 4/6 tanks can just remove that debuff

and bear and pwar just sit there

[grizzled nova]

I guess technically we can too with avatar, but hardly a good solution

[civic holly]

pwer can avatar!

[strong forum]

does avatar remove that slow?

[turbid hemlock]

Yes

[civic holly]

and bear can shift 😂

[strong forum]

yeah bear can shift into the grave

[civic holly]

just go catform forehead

[turbid hemlock]

[civic holly]

how does dk remove it?

wraithwalk?

and how dh? oooh the disengage talent

[strong forum]

ye with VR

i think DK can ams it?

[grizzled nova]

death's advance

removes slows

[civic holly]

deaths advance ignores it but doesnt remove it

[grizzled nova]

ohh

then I dunno

[civic holly]

but its enough to make a gap

i think wraithwalk would remove it but i dont think id take it for it

you can just use your dnd slow to slow them more than they slow you 😂

to craft a shield or wait for one from vault or to use crests on a hero shield whilst waiting for vault to gimme one

[strong forum]

youre crafting shield for just +3ilvl

idk man

better get embellishs -> ring/neck

[civic holly]

all my sparks outside of embi will just be 3ilvl ig

[teal swift]

Depends, does it mean you get to open vault as fury?

[civic holly]

ok thankyou

[teal swift]

Can you source another myth track shield?

[strong forum]

ring gets you free socket + whatever stats you want

[civic holly]

@teal swift nah im just gonna do keys on it only

[teal swift]

First 6 sparks probably:
Embellishment
Embellishment
Ring
Ring
Neck

[civic holly]

yeah very convincing nom, tyty

[teal swift]

With 6th spark fixing some shit ass ilvl issue

[civic holly]

i will shorten the list by getting lariat

[strong forum]

like ill craft ring next week cuz i legit didnt get any rings yet

[teal swift]

Fuck lariat

Double shadowflame is home

[civic holly]

is SF doing much more than last tier?

more stats will make me both more tanky and more dam right?

and more tanky is good considering my ability 😂

[strong forum]

not relevant amounts

[jagged pier]

and random times from lariat

[strong forum]

getting a random proc of stats with 20% uptime aint gonna make the slightest difference in tankiness

only way to get noticably tankier is playing better

aside from raw ilvl

[patent osprey]

nope wrong

Play with aug

[strong forum]

okay well

[patent osprey]

noticably tankier

[strong forum]

yes

that is true

[blazing condor]

Thats why i run 3 augs

[strong forum]

2 tanks 2 augs 1 rdruid

[civic holly]

i raise you 4 augs

[teal swift]

Got nerfed with 10.2

[rancid tiger]

Augs are still crazy

Just logs are still off//bugged

[teal swift]

So now we seje
Aug 1
Aug 2
Pwar
Disc priest
Customer

[toxic pewter]

prob gonna make a ring with flavor pocket on it

[grizzled nova]

she's going to 486 on tuesday

[sick sentinel]

what leve is it for all affixes on key

14?

[grizzled nova]

7/14 now iirc

[sick sentinel]

I was hoping they would have had a replacement or fix for explosive by now

maybe some 4th affix, only available at lvl 20 and up

[teal swift]

Fuck no

We don't need more jank shit to deal with in keys

[strong forum]

more affixes aint the solution to m+

[sick sentinel]

better afixes not more

[teal swift]

Affixes as they are already Linda male keys feel jankier

[strong forum]

scaling itself is enough of an affix

[teal swift]

Honestly m+ would probably feel better without affixes other than Tyran / fortified

Currently affixes are just antiQoL

And make keys less fun

Never heard someone go fucking poggers spiteful feels so fucking good rn

[sick sentinel]

on death and combat periodical effects are just

they, are super predictable or somethin

[teal swift]

They don't really make the key that much harder

Just less fun

Like volcanic as a ranged does nothing, they already have to bait 500 different things. Cool they move for red pile too.

[sick sentinel]

i mean, TBF, you can totally cheese details numbers on spiteful week

[teal swift]

So?

[sick sentinel]

big pulls and cleave the ghosts all dungeon

[grizzled nova]

as a comparative point I say fucken poggers for spiteful weeks

sanguine and bursting are both fucken painchamp tho

[teal swift]

How high do you push

[sick sentinel]

im just against

sanguine

old bolster

old bursting

[teal swift]

Because that sounds like you might do 18 keys at kost

Old bolstering was cancer as fuck

[sick sentinel]

fuckin, those emmsssaries all over the damn map in bfa s3

[urban portal]

Yeah you guessed right yuzu

Think 18 is the cap

[teal swift]

Like idk, spiteful will punch your shit in

[urban portal]

Iirc from his pics

[teal swift]

In high keys

You ain't kiting shit

Once they start 2 tapping your DPS 🐒

[sick sentinel]

sounds like melee bproblem tbh

range can just range it and then move repeat

[teal swift]

My bad, I forgot who I'm talking to

[sick sentinel]

thats why i play tank instead of mage now, and i prefered to play mage hunter for a bit i can see why ppl play healers and range

dont need as fast a computer cuz ur not right at the boss

[grizzled nova]

this weeks is definitely the most free combination of affixes in the rotation

volcanic spiteful is as ideal a fort week as we get

[sick sentinel]

mobs have to walk at you to melee, and then you have a counter when they do

[teal swift]

Yeah, spiteful isn't bad

But it's not something you can just forget about

[sick sentinel]

there is some huge perks to being healer or ranged dps

but they get really shit mechanics iin raids and on m+ boss

[grizzled nova]

next week isn't bad for a tyran week either

[sick sentinel]

nope, season 2 and so far 3 have been pretty much painless so far

[teal swift]

Most affixes are pretty fine

They seemed to have removed all the shitty ones

Except sanguine lol

[grizzled nova]

sanguine still makes me want to off myself

[teal swift]

Sanguine is unfuh

It's not particularly hard

But it's just unfun

[sick sentinel]

sanguine isnt AS bad when u have a monk or dk that can force move mobs out

but its stil very insert horrible thing here

[grizzled nova]

it's lieutenants with 5 second long uninterruptible casts

[teal swift]

Yeah requires premoving

[grizzled nova]

even if you're being a good boy and kiting early, someone invariably kills something on top of them while they're moving

[teal swift]

And it's not a skillmwe get to practice much

[grizzled nova]

and it stops and decides to start its omega channel

and make the pull 30 seconds longer

because fuck you

[teal swift]

I just hate that shit as a paladin

[sick sentinel]

the mob who casts this

[teal swift]

Dispellable, and kickable

[sick sentinel]

thats him the emoji, while hes casting it

shit goes off on fort its basically rip key

[teal swift]

No it's not

Literally blood elf racial, mass dispel, single dispel,

Cc, wait it out

Like key timers are not tight at all

[sick sentinel]

is it he cast it on himself? or he cast it on everyone?

[grizzled nova]

ALSO

sanguine is bad because you're not kicking for ideal stops on priority things, you're burning kicks to get things to move so they don't get sanguined

which also tilts the fuck out me

[chilly brook]

Not even close

What is a rip key is when infected thorn goes off instead of people kicking and you see your healer get one shot

[sick sentinel]

is it true you can still drag mobs in courtyard fires

and it kills them

[chilly brook]

Was that ever a thing?

[sick sentinel]

some youtube vidoe showed that and talked about it briefly

[grizzled nova]

any of the wicker mobs take damage from the fire

[sick sentinel]

and so i tried it a few times, im not sure if it works

[grizzled nova]

but it doesn't work on everything

[sick sentinel]

just the tree men u mean

yeah, its still pepega jank tech, fire hurts

[grizzled nova]

basically just the stuff in the courtyard

[sick sentinel]

my bdk friend

he hates wcm cuz he goes to courtyard >>> ???? happens and then shit pulls from basement comes up the stairs and they wipe

so hes got negative bias about that place

[grizzled nova]

yeh I don't know what bugs this specifically

ret seems to cause it most often in my experience

[silent vessel]

i had this with evokers too

but mostly in the hallway after first boss

[hardy ridge]

how would i go about simming faulty countermeasure? i dont see timewalking in droptimizer

[cinder storm]

I believe it is after a certain key level where using the fire was worth it

[chilly brook]

WCM is ez pz

[grizzled nova]

I don't think there's a real rlp this season

of end to end bhole pucker

[sick sentinel]

really tahts interesting

okay, cuz one of the guys that played with us was a ret

but he was like one of these like, well, rude guy is the best way to put it, oh i got tons of money, i got a carry and the helmet and the shoulders but man i didnt get the 2h

he was a show off basically lol.

yeah, and then when they would be running that dungeon together something would occur, and then they would start to bitch about it

[grizzled nova]

just do it in gear compare tab

[hardy ridge]

i dont have the item

[grizzled nova]

You just add it manually

goto gear compare tab, scroll down, there's a box to search items you can add to your simc profile

can add whatever you want, with as many different gear sets to compare as you want

[chilly brook]

Because ret judgement is or was bugged

Will randomly just go flying into mobs you’re not in combat with 900000 miles away

[grizzled nova]

will look like

or whatever the item level it can upgrade to is

[hardy ridge]

yep got it, thanks chief

[soft plume]

how much haste is too much haste

[lusty tiger]

3rd boss EB

[lusty tiger]

7101

[grizzled nova]

yeh I mean there's individual pain spots

rlp was just pure pain start to finish tho

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

It really was

[undone verge]

Back in season one I did a 2 hour and 30 minute RLP 21 completion for vault week 1

That was super fun

[pallid quiver]

That was me in a Throne of Tides this season

The group I was with was confident they knew mechanics

They did not know mechanics

[hardy snow]

why doing 21 for vault? 🤔

[toxic pewter]

i have run atal dazar 30 time

not seen rezan trinket even once

[idle quartz]

i feel you bro

[toxic pewter]

like wtf goin on here lol

[idle quartz]

Anyone have any confirmation if that trinket is affected by our tier set?

You are loot spec dps right

[jagged pier]

the tier set

[toxic pewter]

it is not affected by our tier set

[jagged pier]

tells u

what it effects

[toxic pewter]

yeah I am in arms loot spec every time

[idle quartz]

Ah I see where the specificity is made, appreciate your insight. It’s simming abnormally high for me, is all

[idle quartz]

Same thing with me for Stonescales, been running it since it came out and never managed to get it

[toxic pewter]

sucks

[civic holly]

do we get our 6th half spark in 2 days? or only the 5th

[toxic pewter]

6th

[civic holly]

ty

[toxic pewter]

no prob

[woven torrent]

holy fuck i duo'd hc smolderon from like 7-10% with a blood dk

i dont know how this is the boss i've had the most wipes on

looks like the easiest fight in the raid

[blazing condor]

Its a really simple fight

But punishing if done improperly

If ppl dont take their orbs or place pools poorly

[novel temple]

How though? I got mawwed and the seed blew

[blazing condor]

Maybe u got hit by a blaze or tornado?

[vocal laurel]

Did they hotfix the fire patch doing damage to adds in the courtyard in waycrest?

[patent osprey]

No. It only does damage to witch mobs

[vocal laurel]

Thanks 🧢

[sick sentinel]

probably should be doing more challenging keys

[sleek current]

Sometimes you get lucky and get there with one of the witches missing 20% of their health. 😁

[sick sentinel]

witches is the true run killer

spirited defense dude doesnt help anything, but the witch is crux of dungeon

theres a million witches in the dungeon, and they have a ton of annoying, high dmg magic attacks, immune

its hell on fort sanguine weeks

[sleek current]

The only one that concerns me really are the soulcharmers that use the Warding Candles. Beyond that, eh. Free key init.

[sick sentinel]

can be lol

it used to be really really bad with old bolstering

[sleek current]

One of my group had a 24 that he bricked taking it into a pug. No patience. 😂

[cinder storm]

He probably expected the pugs to be better than your group, I've had people like that

[sleek current]

I don't think so, long time guild mate and what not. He just wanted to do keys and we weren't about. Haha.

Love the aesthetic of that dungeon. I genuinely love Tol Dagor as well. Hope to see it again soon.

[cinder storm]

Tol dagor was awesome when you could pull the whole beach and lust it down

[sleek current]

I really enjoyed the Worgen boss. Something about charging to packs and slamming my shield into them just releases that dopamine. 😂

[sick sentinel]

i pull wm something like this

im pretty sure north of the pig boss is a witch spawns in with them, giving 100% trash, i dont see it in mdt

[patent osprey]

Witch Spawn type is Random and Where they spawn is fixed for the week

There are 5 spawn locations, 4 are active any given week

This week its Left North Hall + Kitchen + Upstairs + Hunter's Lodge

So no witch in hall infront of Sisters

[sick sentinel]

the only wcm that even remotely scares me is +24

witches tyranical grevious witch 2 is literal healer hell for hard caster

i should do an 18 of it just for vault

[undone verge]

To get a 20 afterwards of an easy key hopefully

[surreal thunder]

is the cataclysmic signet brand a sim bait?

[blazing condor]

Not rly

Shit slaps

[surreal thunder]

any reason why when i top gier sim it doesnt show as a dps increase lol

im using a 447 irideus fragment(still) and a raid finder gnarlroot trinket

[patent osprey]

if u sim for any less than 3 minutes, it is horrible. Every minute u have it past 3 minutes is insane

[surreal thunder]

so not ideal for dungeons then?

[patent osprey]

depends. If you can keep it up the whole dungeon itll do like 15% of your overall

if you constantly drop the stacks then itll do nothing

[surreal thunder]

i currently am set up to sim for patchwerk 5 bosses, 1min fight length

[strong forum]

Well yeah that's not gonna work

[patent osprey]

1 min fight length will show it as 0 dam

5 min fight length itll be ur highest simming trinket

[strong forum]

In some keys it's not easy to keep the stacks going, but even then it still does like 7k+ dps

And that on a str trinket is insane

[surreal thunder]

I changed the duration to 5min and now it wants me to put on the 463 accelerating hourglass trinket

[strong forum]

When you can keep it going the whole time it's easily 9k+ dps

[patent osprey]

In high keys its pretty hard to keep up though, because u do alot of skipp around packs or invis skips

So alot of the time, its much easier to get value out of something like branch trinket

[surreal thunder]

thats with patchwers 5 bosses 5min

[strong forum]

Well yeah that's the perfect scenario for branch

You get 3 uses of branch

[surreal thunder]

im just gonna put it on lmao

[strong forum]

On its maximum dmg output

[surreal thunder]

what should i put the default fight length at for just in general any sim? is 1min fine or nah

[hazy sonnet]

How do i proc [Ouroboreal Necklet] ? as prot war

[strong forum]

You don't unless you have shadowflame dmg somewhere on your gear

And then you only get the nature dmg absorb

Which is useless in 99% of situations

The whole absorb thing on that neck is pure gimmick

[hazy sonnet]

ah, so i kinda fucked my guildies by getting it? 😛

over them *

[sly shadow]

hello besties

[blazing condor]

Hey peng win

[sly shadow]

what is your recommendations on what to craft first on my noob woyer

[strong forum]

#268491842637660160 covers that

[sly shadow]

ty

"pretty much every dungeon is a spell block dungeon" truer words have never been written

[left basalt]

bad trinket right?

[hazy sonnet]

gave neck to someone els, stats aint great either

[pallid quiver]

1 min is usually pretty bad, because a lot of things either explode and are trivial or last longer than that. Optimally, you adjust fight length for how long you expect something to be. If you expect to fight a boss for 3 mins, 3 mins. 8 minutes? 8 minutes. Attempting to sorta sim chain pulling with mobs not dying stagger style or anything? Adjust for that. You need to do multiple sims for different scenarios

[waxen frigate]

generally 5min is a pretty 'standard' boss in raid

which is why it's the default

but as Luerce said, learning to sim for different situations is a good skill

5min, 1 target is kinda the standard though

[surreal thunder]

what time would u do for dungeons

im not a big raider

[waxen frigate]

for dungeons it varies a lot as you'd expect

dungeon slice is an option, although it has a lot of caveats and doesn't work as well on all specs as it does on others, so i'm hesitant to recommend it

I'd do a few sims, like 3min 1 target to simulate a tyr boss, 1min30sec 5 target, 1min30sec 8 target, and kinda see what the trends are

[surreal thunder]

yeah someone the other day told me to stop using it cause it doesnt track certain apl for the spec and recommended that i do patchwerk, 5 bosses

[waxen frigate]

but honestly

the difference in most cases between just doing 1t 5min and simming a bunch of stuff for aoe is minimal

dungeons have so much variance that you can't just gear for one scenario and be perfect

[surreal thunder]

so should i just leave it as 1min for dungeons then since can't really pinpoint a time for it

[waxen frigate]

no