protection

[uneven mason]

Going to be opening in prot next week to grab a myth track shield

It'll happen

[dusk cloak]

Craft one?

[uneven mason]

Crafting caps lower

[dusk cloak]

By like 3

[uneven mason]

That's 3 shield ilvl s, it's like 30 on any other slot

I have a crafted shield already, but it could be greater

[humble island]

If you just tell yourself your vault is going to be utter dog shit every week you'll never be disappointed. It's how I cope.

[dusk cloak]

486 vs 489

[uneven mason]

Huge difference

[dusk cloak]

Lmao okay

[uneven mason]

Tbh I'm hoping to get a ursine vengeance as well, in case they fix it

[chilly brook]

you do realize ilvl is literally the most important thing on a shield yeah?

there is no other way for you to get block stat

[dusk cloak]

Yall acting like 3 ilvl is going to make or break you in a 18

[chilly brook]

you don't understand lol

[uneven mason]

It's the principal

[dusk cloak]

Bigger number better

Duh

[chilly brook]

sure

[uneven mason]

Bigger number bigger better

[dusk cloak]

I didn't say stop at the shield but don't hold out for vault

Unreliable

Craft shield till better upgrade

5head

[chilly brook]

but why craft one

when you can loot one...

and get the same ilvl

[uneven mason]

Oh I'm running the crafted one

[chilly brook]

well actually not the same

483 but eh

[dusky canopy]

Imagine as a Prot warrior you see mythic gnarlroot shield drop and LC gives it to rsham because more ilvl gain

[plush tendon]

you craft one if you dont mythic raid/unlucky vault and have a extra spark

[uneven mason]

Because shadow flame patch is on it and I haven't done an 18 until this week

[chilly brook]

crafting anything feels like a waste when it's not embellished

[humble island]

Sadge

[uneven mason]

Hpal won

[plush tendon]

for the first two crafts I agree

[dusk cloak]

Crafting is a pretty solid way to optimize gearing if you've been unlucky

[plush tendon]

but after that, its basically to fill out unlucky slots

[uneven mason]

Mine already had sfp , so made sense

[dusk cloak]

🤔

[plush tendon]

you got griefed and your LC should feel bad

[dusky canopy]

Not me fortunately but our Prot war yeah

Sadge

[plush tendon]

I would be raging ngl

and Im not someone who usually gives too much a damn about loot

but that is triggering

[dusky canopy]

Same here Augusto

Literally same reaction

lol

[dusk cloak]

Loot will drop again

[plush tendon]

but a shield drops, the quintessential tank item since the dawn of time... and you give it to a shaman

[dusky canopy]

Tru tru

[plush tendon]

the rational say this

still, I would be frustrated

[pallid quiver]

Unless it was a huge item level gain, it's a mistake to give it to a healer because they're not getting value out of one of the stats on the shield at all

[plush tendon]

its a shield

shields block damage

prot warrior uses shield to block damage

[pallid quiver]

so the rational would be to be decently miffed, though not livid

[dusk cloak]

Someone earlier was posting about running 22 atal dazar for rezans and has not seen it. Same concept, it'll drop eventually

[pallid quiver]

it could also never drop again ever

[plush tendon]

not really since thats just bad rng

[chilly brook]

not going to spend my first two crafts on things that will be replaced, maybe the third? But I'm already 477 not sure how much much value there will be in crafting something that gets replaced next week at least not for the gold investment

[plush tendon]

someone made a active decision to take a drop item, and give it to someone else

and more importantly, give it to the wrong person

[dusk cloak]

Everything is replaceable

[chilly brook]

no

cloak/bracers are not being replaced ever

[uneven mason]

My experience with that trinket in bfa says your wrong

[dusk cloak]

I mean, next season they will be

🧠

[chilly brook]

....

[grizzled nova]

yep I'm greed crafting

bracer cloak ring

[dusky canopy]

I’m thinking maybe neck for flavor pocket

[grizzled nova]

probably second ring after that

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t decided

[real fossil]

2 embelishments and a flavor pocket

[uneven mason]

Im just going to upgrade my UFFB

[real fossil]

first 3 crafts

[plush tendon]

I think finger is the better choice for flavor pocket

crafted rings get free sockie

[dusky canopy]

Maybe ring yeah that is very true

[grizzled nova]

yep 100%

[dusky canopy]

Free socket I didn’t consider

[uneven mason]

My neck already had 3 gems and flavor pocket, was a no brainier to upgrade

[grizzled nova]

also gives you room to lariat later if you want

[plush tendon]

yea, ring is more flexible then neck

[cobalt star]

[dusk cloak]

Should of ran it more, 5head

[final radish]

any one have any rly good weak aura for spell reflect ?

[chilly brook]

I've done so many TotT for a second 2h

[dusk cloak]

You can run more, or if you don't get it from loot there is crafted items and 486 ilvl

[uneven mason]

I got a hero tier from vault and a champion from the tw box

[toxic pewter]

wonder what happened to those cheap weapons on trading post the chipped gladius and the other one

and the blue 1h axe

[uneven mason]

Sucked because I could've gotten hero tier chest instead but was still toting a 450 2h

[uneven mason]

This

[toxic pewter]

kinda was looking forward to that one

[uneven mason]

I was excited for some dwarf themed weapons, axe and hammers

[toxic pewter]

there is that storm hammer in there

[cobalt star]

Are those your BiS though?

[uneven mason]

Anything dwarf themed is bis

[cobalt star]

Anything dwarf themed is bis

[uneven mason]

I've determined you're wrong

[toxic pewter]

look at me im a dwarf

[final radish]

spell block work on battlefield boss in ris?

[uneven mason]

Some body get that boy a sandwich

[final radish]

or last boss

[uneven mason]

Pin

[toxic pewter]

XD

[uneven mason]

And remove that furry tail buttplug, we don't tolerate that depravity in ironforge

[toxic pewter]

u can take away m y dignity

[dusk cloak]

But bearded women are fine

[toxic pewter]

but u can never take my tail

[uneven mason]

The best

[toxic pewter]

ngl i am prob gonna race change to earthen

just to switch things up

[uneven mason]

Can't resist that lady beard

[toxic pewter]

u no it

lmao

[uneven mason]

They better give normal dwarf women beards

[dusk cloak]

War within is a good start

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

lore accurate tolkien dwarves

[dusk cloak]

Ikari, you're name is Hella familiar

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

[toxic pewter]

thats me

[dusk cloak]

@uneven mason we use to be in the same guild!

[toxic pewter]

anyone know if I can use a target dummy toy to build up my signet trinket stacks before dungeon start

[strong forum]

Pretty sure you'd drop the entire thing whilst waiting

[toxic pewter]

yeah it would be very tight true

[uneven mason]

To be fair there was like 900 people in KH at one point

[strong forum]

It takes 7sec to drop combat from dummy and then additionally 10sec later gate opens = 0 stacks

[toxic pewter]

oh true the combat wont let the key put in right

yeah damn

i love the trinket I just wish I could keep it at 15 more lol

too many gaps in a lot of the dungeons its annoying as hell

[sick sentinel]

i will get along with this persno

[dusk cloak]

Are you named doom?

[uneven mason]

Do you not know the glory of the doom slayer?

[dusky canopy]

Yogi is like doom spokesman

[uneven mason]

#1 doomfan

Funny that you remembered me from the little blurb in the KH discord, when I was active in that guild discord was hardly a thing and they were just the horde reddit guild

[dusk cloak]

[uneven mason]

Was there during mop and wood, then when the officers chased trains mythic team off for being too "try hard" I took a break and came back during legion

[glacial venture]

which enchant for weapon?

[uneven mason]

[glacial venture]

any name

[lethal plaza]

anyone know of any good youtube tank PoVs for heroic Amirdrassil bosses?

[dusk cloak]

Not tank pov but liquid has good guides

[glacial venture]

whats a good WA for dungeons this tier

[pallid quiver]

sim between the enchants to see what's better for your stats

usually it's wafting dev or sophic dev

[sick sentinel]

Yogi top 5 games of all time:
#1 every blizzard game
#2 every doom game
#3 every mario game
#4 every mega man game
#5 most horror games (with a gun or fighting, you have to be able to fight back or im not interested)

anything with lots of powerful guns that isnt overly serious

[uneven mason]

Ohh stickybomb like you

[sick sentinel]

semtex nades are a little cursed

as times have gone on, i prefer impact grenades

[uneven mason]

It was a quote from shadow warrior

Lo Wang

[sick sentinel]

right, i couldnt place it at the time

that game is very overtly racist at many times

so i probably brain bleached it

[uneven mason]

Also 3D Realms is coming out with a new coop fps

NGL I squealed a bit when I saw

[sick sentinel]

i still havent done the female duke nukem build engine game

been working on MMX 1-8 mostly

[uneven mason]

Ion Maiden (Fury, because record labels are assholes)

[sick sentinel]

probably wont play bolt gun but it did look fun

[glacial venture]

which WA helps on dungeons this season? cant find season3 aura

[uneven mason]

The world needs more "run'n'gun" fps

[uneven mason]

Google didn't find anything?

[glacial venture]

no

[uneven mason]

What mechanics are you struggling with?

[glacial venture]

idk I usually had a WA for alerts like "frontal"

[uneven mason]

Oh I have a nice lady who tells me that

There's a SR wa in #ui-addons-manager

[glacial venture]

what lady

[thin silo]

DBM voicepack does it for me

[uneven mason]

☝️

[ashen coral]

Hello i have a question about throne of the tides, in the sheet they say that sentinal brutal crush can be reflected, but sometimes it works and sometimes not, and I think I didn’t see debuff reflected although I didn’t get debuff sometimes

Same for the first boss with focalised thing, sometimes it works sometimes not and I don’t understand when it works

I also have the same issue actually with abomination in everbloom, the claw is sometimes reflectable and sometimes not, do you know the reason and when i have to use SR exactly ?

[chilly brook]

It works every time I’ve used it

The crush

But it only works if the mob is casting it on you, and you probably reflected a cast from the actual casters since there’s like two pulls in the dungeon where there isn’t a caster with the sentinels

As far as the first boss it’s basically random if you get a jump, just stand on someone else during channel and have spell reflect up, you’ll get something most of the time that way

[glacial venture]

where to get it from

[toxic pewter]

addon called deadly boss mods

[sick sentinel]

was it big wigs?

i have something that yells at me interupt

[ashen coral]

Sometimes I use spell reflect before the end of the cast, and yet I still get the debuff

I want to reflect the debuff so they take more damage

[chilly brook]

Idk what to tell you, I’ve done it several times as arms in that dungeon

Works everytime

The only thing I can think of is it’s getting consumed on something else or you’re not actually the target

[sick sentinel]

ya boss can be aggroed to u fighting u and it casts something at hunter

[rustic hinge]

Is there a separate weakaura from the spell reflect essentials that used to announce, "I can reflect this!"? I could've sworn I said it for a while.

But haven't seen it since i updated spell reflect essentials.

[ashen coral]

But if I get the debuff it means that I was the target no ?

[chilly brook]

Sure so you could have reflected one of the many casts from a caster in the dungeon

[ashen coral]

Yes it is possible i will pay more attention later

[chilly brook]

Or you pressed it too late or too early and the buff ran out

There’s a lot of different things that could have happened

[dusky canopy]

Thoughts?

[chilly brook]

But I’ve never had reflect fail as arms on those mobs when I get targeted by the cast

[dusky canopy]

Assuming lust

[sick sentinel]

some addon or weakaura that announces "this monster has a (fireball) i can reflect)" but it doesnt do it when it goes off so its still a skill check

like when you hover over the mobs

[chilly brook]

It’s an ok pull

[sick sentinel]

thats what i would like

[chilly brook]

I’ve done it

[median tulip]

They made it so that casts can go on non-tank players because otherwise the DPS would just ignore Interrupts and then blame the tank for dying to a cast that was tuned to chunk a tank. Now they are tuned to chunk non-tank players and by and large DPS have got better apt interrupting

[chilly brook]

Personally I don’t think left is really worth it

[toxic pewter]

do trinkets with str on them still effectively give like 4ish% to our overall dps this season

[dusky canopy]

You’d los at that set of stairs right?

[chilly brook]

No

[dusky canopy]

Idr but I think that was a pull in bfa no?

[chilly brook]

Wdym los

[sick sentinel]

i highly suggest avoid pulling priestess trash on fort

[chilly brook]

Yeah when snapping actually worked

And reverse snapping removed the mechanics

[dusky canopy]

Ahh true

[sick sentinel]

you wont have a fun time if you fight those guys on fort

[chilly brook]

I just don’t think left is worth it at all anymore

[sick sentinel]

the trick is those guys atttached to the stick

they dont do any green goop or bad melee until you kill the stick

[dusky canopy]

Left first on a fort week for lust? Then rezan

[sick sentinel]

so you can kill the mobs around the stick and then once group is ready for his mechanics, then you kill the stick add him to fight

but green goop guy sucks my ass

[dusky canopy]

😮

Yogi my innocence

SMH

[sick sentinel]

hes terrible on fort

he killed so many of my pgs in bfa

just throwing puke piles everywhere

[rich wyvern]

Evenin fellas,
in s2 i had a M+ weakaura that told me whenever something was being cast that I could spell reflect. Had a look this season and didn't manage to find a similar one - anyone got a link to something that'd work?

[mental shoal]

should i replace Embellishments gear as fast as possible or should i trust sim?

[sick sentinel]

never fails i put up a listing for enchanted crests , 30 seconds later, whisper from some random dude

"bro put in a personal one to me"

[rich wyvern]

💀

[sick sentinel]

i swear they must have some advanced tech of geting the orders

or they have like a 2nd pc refreshing it

[rich wyvern]

i think in the business they call the advanced tech "botting"

[uneven mason]

#ui-addons-manager

[rich wyvern]

ye, i tried to update when the season launched but it wasn't showing. have now re-installed the WA and will see if it works now

[uneven mason]

There's one posted there afaik

#ui-addons-manager message

[lament shell]

smol question. i killed fyrakk on normal before heroic. will heroic give me another essence?

[sick sentinel]

some day i have to get to 350 mounts

really need that mount

[dusky canopy]

That’s my favorite too

I’m close

Right around 300 iirc

Tlpd was bis until people started selling it for gold

Now it’s meh

[sick sentinel]

oh, im sure i could just go farm all kinds of old stuff for random mounts

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I’m missing almost all of the rep gated mounts

[uneven mason]

The ice infernal?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Oh

[sick sentinel]

https://simplearmory.com/#/us/area-52/tankian/collectable/mounts

missing lots of panda mounts, dracthyr

[jovial pike]

Question: I am struggling with over capping rage sometimes on prot warrior. It obviously affects the anger management. A guy in my guild mentioned a macro for Thunderclap/IgnorePain. Is that something anyone is doing ?

[toxic pewter]

better macro is Shield Slam/Ignore Pain if you are going to use a macro

if you are overcapping rage just press ignore pain more

[lilac bloom]

i am having troubles of loggin into blizzard.. anyone having hte same issue?

its asking for aggreement and it wont let me log in

[dusky canopy]

24 rise anyone?

[trim bay]

Hey lads. On average in a key what's your Avatar up time in mythic plus. Push spec.

[jagged pier]

i dunno never really checked maybe 40-50%

[trim bay]

Ok sweet. I swear I read someone say they are in avatar 60 percent of the time. I average 40-45 so I was feeling ill

[hasty wigeon]

Hi, Any tips on dealing with the [Darksoul Drain] from the bats in DHT - At the moment my tactic is to run in do as much damage as I can for 5 seconds then get out and try and kite but the dot is pretty nasty but there is always some DH doing like 9 million DPS so hard to keep aggro on everything

[trim bay]

Kite

[jagged pier]

i mean im guessing i looked at a log but thats got non combat time in it

🤷

[jagged pier]

u can spell reflect stack it

u can kite

u can cc change

[pallid quiver]

On a casual 21 DHT, I hit about 50% uptime based on a log

I think I had to wait at two different points for people to get back from getting murdered, so that dropped it a slight bit, but not by much

[trim bay]

Ok sweet. I'm roughly in the ball park

[pallid quiver]

smh i wasted 355 rage out of 18487, should drown in a toilet

[jovial pike]

Ya I’m trying. I’m new to the spec and get a bit overwhelmed with all options. I’ll keep at it.

[hasty wigeon]

👍

[azure smelt]

do i want to be tabbing around consuming all the bleeds with my tier set without dragon roar dot on them?

[warm plinth]

There is no gain to doing that.

[woven torrent]

how do u guys survive larodar dash when u go into the fire?

feels like i take too much damage

can u somehow dodge it?

[azure smelt]

okay ty. i dont have 4 set yet so i dont know how the 2% dr worked. but happy i dont have to tab around

[median tulip]

Lots of Ignore Pain, Spell Reflect every time (reduces both charge and ground damage), Shield Wall

[woven torrent]

oh

looks like the guy didnt taunt

and it hit me after the dash

nvm

[pallid quiver]

oh yeah that'll kill you real good

[median tulip]

Yeah that's gonna be an issue

[pallid quiver]

Like, real good numbers

he melees you for like 25m+ or something on a blocked hit if he hits you right after the dash

[median tulip]

if you're fast you can hit him with Imprending Victory when he hits you, as well

[jolly crystal]

Leap away as far as possible, ignore paiun and relfect, Impending Victory straight after it hits

[median tulip]

Yeah the tank swap debuff starts at like 1000% extra physical, it's nasty

[jolly crystal]

Took me a few pulls to realise you can taunt during the cast of charge

[woven torrent]

[split pecan]

def stance + spell reflection is enough for hc

you can interrupt pushback animation by heroic leaping

[jagged pier]

u move away

[split pecan]

for mythic you can go SR+Def stance+nice amount of ignore pain

SR+D Stance+SW

[woven torrent]

yop its fine got it in 2nd pull

[split pecan]

SR+D stance+Last stand

etc

[pallid quiver]

i mean even in heroic you should be using shield wall and rotating CDs on the charge, like, what else are you using them on

the only thing that notably hurts tanks in that fight is the charge, standing in the fire, and having DPS run from your after P2 tank mech

[waxen frigate]

Nothing, CDs are a crutch

We didn’t have shield wall CDR back in vanilla!

And Kungen still cleared Naxx!

[split pecan]

larodar is trash as p war tbh

[waxen frigate]

He’s a REAL warrior

[split pecan]

same goes for Smolderon

Tindral and Fyrakk will be funny

[pallid quiver]

neither of those fights have ever given me any remote concern in terms of my performance

laro barely even touches me below like 70%

it is heroic, so there's that, but

[split pecan]

heroic is kinda trash tbh

nothing can really kill you

same goes for mythic until smolderon

[pallid quiver]

like, even mythic laro from every log I've seen from good prot wars

he just doesn't really do anything to you outside of the times listed above

and those are still comfy

[split pecan]

when I killed larodar was like 2nd or 3rd prot war

and had 0 issues

you can leech from the other tank during p2

and spam Ignore Pain(s)

[cold zealot]

Is the avoidance wort it playing ver/mastery helm over the other one?
im at hastecap already

[pallid quiver]

Tertiaries aren't worth worrying over, but primary is

[split pecan]

im still building haste

over the soft cap

what are you aiming to? survivability or dps?

[pallid quiver]

boss how much haste do you have?

[cold zealot]

im at 7100 haste^^
more on the dps side i guess

[pallid quiver]

whack

[split pecan]

if you r aiming dps

[pallid quiver]

Still sim tho for answers to your questions

[split pecan]

sim it top gear

[cold zealot]

7194 actually need to swap some sockets

[split pecan]

you wont have better answer than sim

[cold zealot]

would the ver mastery provide more defense though? bc avoidance?^^

[pallid quiver]

Defensive value of stats are close enough that if you're really picky about gear, you should still sim anyway

[pallid quiver]

avoidance is an absolutely tiny amount of effective reduction

It's 100% negligible in terms of the damage intake tanks undergo

All the tertiaries are like this, which leech and speed probably being the most "worth it", but none even compare to secondaries, let alone primary, so they should never be part of your gearing considerations unless same ilvl or probably even same gear piece

[cold zealot]

sure but im looking at a piece without haste and same ilvl, for dps sure ill just sim it but the defenseive value is vague i guess.
6% avoidance on some shitty damage like dht 2. Boss is actually smt id take over like 300dps st

[pallid quiver]

avoidance will do nothing for you on 2nd boss DHT

the damage you take is from grip

and you invalidate breath with leap

So like I mentioned, in terms of the damage you intake as a tank, it's 100% negligible

And the secondaries, defensively, are close enough that they're not worth fussing over

Crit invalidates entire hits, vers just reduces damage, mastery enables crit blocks, haste gives more resources/better S block time

which are all good

[cold zealot]

but grip is counting as environmental isnt it?
I heard that somewhere, so dks also might struggle there

[woven torrent]

do ppl really need to soak barreling charge in council?

feels like i take 0 dmg even with 1 soak

or is it raid wide dmg

[pallid quiver]

it'd probably be the landing of the grip, but I've seen nothing to indicate that

[pallid quiver]

raid wide

After the charge, it pumps damage out to everyone depending on how many people soaked

[woven torrent]

and do people behind me still count as soaking or should i heroic leap behind more?

[pallid quiver]

As long as bear moves through them, they soaked

[woven torrent]

ok

[pallid quiver]

you don't need to leap anywhere for it

[woven torrent]

thanks

[flat stratus]

i feel like warrior prot has become like vdh

can't keep early aggro

prot *

[toxic pewter]

been seeing a lot of messages people complaining about aggro

I have not been having any issues

as far as I can tell it is two things: people playing in defensive stance (doing 92-93% of possible damage) and/or not pressing buttons correctly

[flat stratus]

i even pull with battlestance then switch to dstance

just to have the aggro

[toxic pewter]

how often is this happening

[flat stratus]

2-3 per run

[azure smelt]

theres no talent to root with thunderclap like bfa right? im not just missing it on the tree somewhere?

[toxic pewter]

its a pvp talent now

[flat stratus]

i mean

[azure smelt]

damn that was the best part of prot feelsbad

[azure smelt]

whoa 4 seconds

make it .5 and replace someother shit

[mighty valley]

"all enemies rooted all the time" is a lil silly for pve

[azure smelt]

it wasnt too crazy last time i used it

maybe 4 second icd or somethin so you would have to hold clap or somethin

[lusty grotto]

im not having issues with agro as soon as i swapped trinkets

branch does insane burst

even with ilvl capped DHs popping everthing

maybe dont use garbage trinkets

[flat stratus]

got branch and ashes ( needs to be changed )

[toxic pewter]

gotta press your buttons harder and faster

[lusty grotto]

im using rezan + mythic branch

[flat stratus]

i mean 2-3 times per run

[mighty valley]

if you're mashing all cds on pull correctly, losing aggro is usually a dps problem

they need to learn to wait exactly one fraction of one second

[lusty grotto]

i dont even have gholak

[flat stratus]

i mean i think it's just a pug problem where dps cannot wait to have pull and stacked every add and popping every cd they have while gathering adds .

[pallid quiver]

I haven't had that problem in pugs, either

[flat stratus]

did brh 20 and dpsed 170k overall and never lost a single aggro cause every dps waited . not bursting while gathering adds

[pallid quiver]

The only time they can reasonably pull aggro if if the ST blast a single mob while you have ran off to group multiple packs

and that's them shooting their own damage in the foot for not pressing multi target buttons in multi target even before we get into waiting

[lusty grotto]

thats their own fault

you know whos the good dps and whos the bad dps if that happens

NL first pull was a big one like that

if your dps is popping shit while you're running to the hulks, they are absolute idiots

[flat stratus]

yea so on pugs i tend to roar first pack and just tc and revenge 2nd pack just to kite to the first pack to gather

roar tc revenge > second pack tc revenge for

bleed application

[waxen orbit]

Nah I just press multiple with my thumb at once

My thumb is also pretty quick

[bleak breach]

How much will this change effect Augury? 33% less damage but increase rppm to 1.5 from 1

[lusty grotto]

seems a change to more sustained damage

instead of burst

[winged slate]

Should be exact same DPS

[lusty grotto]

yea pretty much

[winged slate]

Just more consistent procs

That's a win in most cases

[lusty grotto]

[winged slate]

People in my guild discord were dooming over it

Lol

[lusty grotto]

lol

typical

[winged slate]

I hit em with the 100 * 1.5 * 0.666

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-yeah-science-laugh-smile-gif-5011708

[winged slate]

https://tenor.com/U0iY.gif

[lusty grotto]

LOL

best song

[bleak breach]

That’s what I thought, just wasn’t sure how it would go in real content

[fast knot]

Am I smoothbrain in understanding DHT grip with the hotfixes coming through? " Crushing Grip will no longer always hit and will no longer pierce immunities." regarding the hit part since it's magic damage would that mean it's now blockable with Spellblock

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say that

but its worth testing

[fast knot]

I know that's worded to say Ppal won't get piked

I'm tryna not be also piked

[frosty holly]

Pretty sure it's just a fancy way of saying big hands will no longer crush bubbles. But won't hurt to test ofc

[hardy snow]

that augury change is actually a small buff for tanks, expected value is the same indeed, but smaller procs are easier to consume, so it will greatly reduce situation where buff would end without fully consuming, mostly in raids when there is more movement, running away from boss etc.

[lusty grotto]

ya pretty much

[pale karma]

Where do people go for guidance on routes ~20? I'm sick of keystone guru - their pulls wipe groups more often than not.

[winged slate]

Raider.io has some routes. They do weekly play like the pros, or more chill routes

[lusty grotto]

routes from raider.io and co assume you have a team, not pugs

Stick to simple routes that cover the % like the weekly routes in io

If you're pugging

And even if something seems not doable from them then change it

It ain't hard

[fast knot]

I usually take normal routes and just adjust based on group comp and how badly I think my DPS are going to tunnel

[lusty grotto]

Routing isn't even remotely comparable to previous expansions

In terms of difficulty

Yup bigblaris has the right idea

[fast knot]

like double dryad in DHT without two poison dispels is gonna fuckin slap someone

[lusty grotto]

Also don't you dare talk shit about keystone.guru, that site is goated to have on a 2nd screen

I've fucking used that shit since bfa

On a 2nd screen

But for my routes of course

[pale karma]

Raider.io and keystone guru have just caused pug wipes every most times I've tried. I feel bad for bricking keys like that.

[lusty grotto]

use that first one, not the 2nd one

[pale karma]

Was just wondering if there was a more straightforward less yolo path

[lusty grotto]

you are not playing like the pros

[pale karma]

I don't see that

[lusty grotto]

the pros have a set team

[pale karma]

https://raider.io/weekly-routes#everbloom

[lusty grotto]

you dont

right so

[pale karma]

ta

[lusty grotto]

the highlighted part is important

you dont need to do the triple

for lust at the start

a double is fine

you dont need to do pull 7

in that order

you can split it

like its common sense

just because its on a route doesnt mean people are gonna be able to handle it

the important part is youre pulling those at any given time, in any given form

also this is important

heres the common sense route for EB

if you hit 94% before the very last 6 assistants, youre fine

assistants are 1% each so that's your 100%

if you hit higher than 94%, just skip some assistants

thats pretty much it

[bleak breach]

Finally

Don’t know if that fixes it completely or not though?

[hardy snow]

ursine finally not broken?

[lusty grotto]

a hotfix huh

time to try it

[bleak breach]

Wouldn’t guarantee but I hope so

[shy yoke]

I'm lazy to keep track of rend, is there any weakaura for it with the new tier set?

[urban portal]

Don’t need to track it really

Since you press tc a lot

[bleak breach]

There is, it’s in the pins. Can be really handy

[shy yoke]

Oh I had to scroll further down, thanks!

[pallid quiver]

huh, it

May be fixed

[fresh aurora]

Hey guys, is there a BiS page you recommend for Prot warrior for M+ only.

[lusty grotto]

nice

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

[pallid quiver]

whatever gear you get that drops and sims the best, tbh, but

he beat me to it

There should be general listings, but

[lusty grotto]

#protection message also this

which is in the pins

[fresh aurora]

I got Prophetic Stonescales trying to see if i should max them

[pallid quiver]

It should be noted that raid trinkets/gholak are very notable stronger than M+ options

[lusty grotto]

🤷

stonescales are good if you need a cheat, its certainly not the best

situational

[pallid quiver]

Cheat Death is either pretty much a wasted trinket or the single best trinket you could ever pick because it's the only trinket that does what it does

[lusty grotto]

good to max, youll get discounted anyway on any other trinket

[fresh aurora]

I have crappy trinket luck... I have the Embers of Nullification (489) and the scales lol

current 470

[pallid quiver]

@strong forum Actually, I should poke you, too. Off the M+ run I just kinda casually did, I didn't really lose stacks outside of expected timeframes (hit 30 stacks, die to reset boss that group pulled zzzzz), so at a cursory glance, Ursine might be fixed. You probably have access to more info and actual testing ability, so I figured I'd pop you about it.

[pallid quiver]

Pic here of my stacks through a Waycrest

oh

there's blue text about it now

"Fixed an issue where Gift of Ursine Vengeance stacks would be removed on ally death or mind control."

bruh

Are they saying my stacks dropped because some DPS jackhat didn't pop a DR?

because that

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats what Sokraxx posted

[pallid quiver]

actually makes sense

[bleak breach]

So is gift like say anvil where we need to chain pull? Or will stacks stay up outside combat for x amount of time?

I don’t have one yet

[limpid estuary]

I have Rezans and Augury. Would you use ursine over either one of these in keys?

[lusty grotto]

until sims are reverted, we wont know

[pallid quiver]

Did they adjust sims for the bug?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[waxen frigate]

no, it's broken

don't worry

[pallid quiver]

"307k DPS"

hm

Seems like a number

[fast knot]

Wish mine did actual damage

[left basalt]

Season 1 it took me almost the entire season to get a single portal, Season 2 about 12ish weeks to get all 8, Just cruised through 2 20's tonight no problem.

This discord is soo helpful, thank you all for the contributions and discussions

[desert pike]

does somebody have the m+ routes?

mythic dungeon tools

[teal swift]

Dorki routes

[pallid quiver]

i just hold w into things until the DPS complain, tbh

[tame jasper]

@lusty grotto this is quite on point, isnt it? 😄

[jagged gust]

Now that is beautiful to see

[median tulip]

So close

[warm plinth]

Looks like you're 1 point over sir

[restive scroll]

So unoptimized :D

I'm not jealous at all

[tame jasper]

yeah I'm a bad tank 😦

[thorny stone]

On a guardian death/despawn, so if you had for example a holy priest, your trinket would reset every time he casted a holy word as it summons a naaru

[median tulip]

That's some proper spaghetti code bullshit right there.

At least they fixed it

[opaque quest]

We have a Warrior tank on larodar that doesnt want to go into the aoe and lets the boss explode in the raid

Lord have mercy

Died 3 times on volco cause no spellblock

Finally replaced him

[lost wyvern]

could someone look at this and explain why the prot warrior wasnt getting any spider stacks at all during this pull? https://youtu.be/2RdRsxOBLnY?si=UQ6Bv35WQe0oRqKQ&t=411

[jagged pier]

he has absorbs shields until the end

u only get a stack if u take damage from them

im like 99% sure thats how it works

like i pop fyrakk trinket and dont get stacks there

the moment he looses his priest shields

he get stacks

[patent osprey]

Buff Prot War

[grim pilot]

has tank balance ever been this close

In terms of seeing every tank in highest keys there are

except guardian druid but fuck those

[vocal nimbus]

the decision between uproar and shockwave is so painful man

[grim pilot]

there is no decision..

[median tulip]

Well, I can confirm WCM is still a free key this week. Just pull most of the trash out into the courtyard.

[undone verge]

did you guys time that 26 rise? I tabbed out before you finished

after the messy war machine lol

[trim steeple]

Hey guys, are tanks(or specifically prot war) a decent bit squishier than in 10.0? never played too much tank in m+ but it felt like a cakewalk in 10.0 compared to now

Also feels more reliant on group to interrupt/stun important things since there is so much to interrupt lol

[strong forum]

we're a decent bit tankier than in 10.0 actually

[trim steeple]

Okay, any reason why i feel like i sometimes get oneshot now which i didnt have in 10.0? definitely not the best tank so i assume a skill issue kek

there are times i feel like i just get blasted through ignore pain and dont have enough rage to keep it up

[strong forum]

youre just not aware of the mechanics that are happening

would be my guess

[trim steeple]

Yea i guess learning the dungeons better should help a lot

[finite veldt]

Hey guys, in a dungeon, how much uptime should you ideally have on shield block?

[trim steeple]

other than a few packs no clue which ones hurt tbh

[warm plinth]

As close to 100% as possible

[sleek current]

Please. 🥺

[trim steeple]

Oh 1 more question, how big of a difference is it to have an aug evoker ? The group i've mostly been playing with doesnt have one but in the couple pugs i did it seemed to make quite a big difference

[warm plinth]

It depends if they're good or shit, and you don't really know that until you're stuck with them

[sleek current]

It's just like having a 3rd DPS. Except they're giving the damage to someone else. 🤷

[strong forum]

Aug isn't as big anymore as before, but they still do make you tankier

And provide alot of cc

[sleek current]

Tonnes. Is that knock up off DR?

[strong forum]

Not sure about that

[tame jasper]

it's at least a displacement and no stun

[strong forum]

Fun fact, with 2 evokers who time their knock ups, you can knock the mobs so high that they're outside of melee range

[trim steeple]

Ait, thanks guys. Time to git gud now 🙂

[sleek current]

Brilliant. 😂

Hmm, might have to test it then. It'd come in handy for giga pull before the bats in BRH.

[blazing condor]

Does this mean the initial grip can be dodged or that ticking damage whilst in the grip doesnt always hit

[warm plinth]

Not sure. The major point of that I feel like is that bubble will work on it now

idk what the no longer always hit thing means though

[sleek current]

Personally, I think standing in the roots at the right time should allow you to avoid it. Nightmare Breath is already bad enough on Tyr.

Just feels awful because it's environmental magic damage.

[chrome karma]

Hi i'm new to the discord and i want some opinions on the Writhing heart of darkness trinket for PROT warrior's

i know it's far from BiS

[winged slate]

It's bad

[jagged ferry]

Sorry lads which cape is the cape that we craft?

Its this one right?

[cosmic zenith]

Yep

[jagged ferry]

Thanks mate, and how do we get our new spark this week?

[cosmic zenith]

doing the weekly quest on emerald dream

[jagged ferry]

This one? 🙂

[granite pond]

Yessir

[jagged ferry]

Love your work lads

[hardy snow]

dafuq is that? whole group running ursine? XD

[final radish]

[Quel'Zaram, High Blade of the Lion] is it good weapon ?

[median tulip]

Weapons are just stat sticks.

If you have Gholak, use Gholak.
Otherwise, use yoour highest ilvl weapon, preferring a Haste weapon if you have equal ilvvl/upgrade track weapons

[final radish]

hmmm ok i just didnt knew about that other stat i use google search and i see it doing a light or holy on a undead enemy

[median tulip]

Yeah, it has an effect, but there aren't *that many Undead enemies right now. One boss in each of AD, WCM and DOTI:Fall, plus a little bit of trash. Nothing in Rise, EB or TotT IIRC.

The only Dungeon where it might be a major benefit would be BRH

[hardy snow]

finally got 400 shield tmogs

[teal swift]

20 to go

[surreal kindle]

Is there a cap on shieldblock uptime?

It's 21 seconds, I think?

[sleek current]

Started collecting these for those pugs that tell me to play VDH

[teal swift]

Collecting screenshots of idiots playing badly as a way to refute to swapping to a better class is pure fucking cringe bro.

[sleek current]

Then I'm cringe.

[teal swift]

Just tell them to stfu and you like prot war better

[timber nest]

I vaguely remember being able to reflect the grip on DHT 2nd boss back in legion. That still the case?

[sleek current]

Not that I've noticed

[restive scroll]

I see people removing battlering ram.
Any thoughts on that ?

[sleek current]

Can't say I've given it a serious trye

[restive scroll]

Wasn't- possible in last season of legion at least

[sleek current]

Disrupting Shout is so powerful for some keys that, it's just worth the damage loss.

[timber nest]

The other one might be better in the long run if you have enough haste for block uptime

I can’t remember the name

[sleek current]

Champions Bulwark

Hmm, not sure. I'm getting about 90% uptime right now.

[restive scroll]

They still play that

[sleek current]

Not sure I can drop that extra 4 seconds really

[restive scroll]

I was wondering about Disrupting shout as well

[timber nest]

It’s HUGE

People in here meme it but it’s good

[sleek current]

For me, it's a must pick in Throne and DHT

[timber nest]

Safety for the actual dps can make or break a key

[sleek current]

People would think it's necessary in WM but, I haven't really needed it. You can usually kick everything with a competent group

[restive scroll]

Alright. I was just thinking of removing a lower tier talent, although a lot of them are pretty good

Thanks

[sick sentinel]

waycrest aint giving me that damn ring

[strong forum]

no, it just doesnt properly account for the 8sec proc window in sims

[patent osprey]

I have used disrupting shout in every key this season ^.^ it is so good

Poor mans silence sigil

[grizzled nova]

this is the important part

extolling the virtues of a talent that is in every conceivable way a worse silence sigil

that has more opportunity cost in the talent tree to take

that has a longer cooldown

that has more conditional use

that has a single charge

[azure smelt]

Does sigil silence them if they are not casting?

[grizzled nova]

yes

for 10 seconds

[azure smelt]

Cant wait for riot mmo

[craggy pilot]

what since when is Critcake playing Prot 😮

[patent osprey]

Yet a still a must have for high keys 🙂

A little less dps for us but big dps gain for your group not dying

[pallid quiver]

Just tell your group to simply interrupt more smh

tell them to reroll to better classes :L

[grizzled nova]

Sure, I'm just saying that it's a comparatively bad button.

Because it is.

[sleek current]

Couldn't have said it better myself. 😂

[grizzled nova]

Maybe if they halved the cooldown on it, that's something.

But in a world where they give two charges of silence sigil to vdh and leave disrupting shout as is, it's a bad talent, however necessary it may be for pwar to take because of it's derth of utility.

[sleek current]

I don't know how long Utility meta has been a thing but, I think it's here to stay and will not be going away.

[grizzled nova]

High meta is always a game of stops and kicks to survive things, and when tank survivability isn't the limiting factor, it's becomes a comparative exercise of DPS and utility.

Pwar isn't doing the most damage, and it certainly isn't bringing the most utility.

And pwar would have to be doing overwhelmingly more dps to justify giving up vdh's stops or ppala's externals and interrupts.

[toxic pewter]

I am better than all of them

[silent vessel]

Agreed apb

[patent osprey]

Well Its not always worse. The big thing I found this season is that Disruptive shout is very good against silencing Lieutenant class mobs like in BRH 2nd pull and the 3 caster pack before 3rd boss in everbloom. Its pretty handing in those situations 🙂

[grizzled nova]

If kicks on lieutenants are an issue, warrior with one extra kick every 90 seconds isn't the answer.

Ppala with an effective 5s cd on kick is.

I want utility where the group can say "it's nice to have a warrior for <these reasons>"

Not "well I guess we can make it work with warrior if they int their not impressive damage for pale versions of other tank's utility"

[sick sentinel]

massive buffs or something to details

[fringe birch]

is crit better then vers this patch?

[grand veldt]

Well our special trick that gives us the biggest value, is our spell reclect, which scales infinitely and is simultaneously an offense and defense. We don't get all the utility of the other classes, or all the control, but we are middle of the pack, and can do a lot more than even say a brew master can.

[grand veldt]

Crits always been a very high Stat, really boils down to the content you do and what you want

[grizzled nova]

I acknowledge all the time that spell reflect is the one unique utility of pwar.

unfortunately its use cases where it's making a difference are exceedingly niche

[grand veldt]

I hate so much about warrior

Guardian gets a 30s stop

2 of em

[fringe birch]

mmmm i do heroic raid and tanking for high keys but i have been usually a fury warrior until a month ago

[grand veldt]

Dk has infinite interrupts

Paladin has infinite hard interrupts

And were made to pick utility over damage pretty frequently

For DHT I've been considering running the cdr Shockwave talent because just how bad that pack after keepers is

It's the trade off they've decided we're supposed to take

[echo egret]

What's an alchemist stone worth if I have really bad luck on trinket drops ?

[grizzled nova]

The biggest thing about citing spell reflect as our unique utility is that it is generally only doing anything for us.

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/always-have-been-always-will-be-tracy-jordan-30rock-forever-and-ever-now-and-forever-gif-21884305

[grand veldt]

You can say that but like in EB I've done well over 30mil reflect with last boss and abom claws

[grizzled nova]

There's a handful of bosses where it enables us to do a fair amount more single target - but it isn't letting us live things other tanks can't live as well.

[grand veldt]

Killing bosses and harder mobs faster

Is a utility

It gets you out of the potential for a wipe or failure or human error quicker

The bats in DHT

We are literally the only tanks who can tank it regardless of comp

You can easily get 3 of 4 debunks reflected

And avert your group needing a dispel for disease

Etc

[grizzled nova]

If your group does it correctly, and it still isn't a problem for everyone else to kite and cc them.

It isn't solving a unique issue that other tanks just can't deal with.

[grand veldt]

No but it is letting us do that pack faster than other tanks

And we contribute more on harder segments

I'm not even like counting how much easier we make tyrannical fights

[toxic pewter]

at least we dont gotta stand in some circle m i rite lmao

[grand veldt]

Lol

[toxic pewter]

circle tanks for the loss

[grand veldt]

And our hard disrupting shout

Works on special mobs and bosses

You can reduce a lot of damage on sister's with it

[grizzled nova]

We are not doing that much more single target than everyone else.

[grand veldt]

I'm not denying I want more

I'm just saying we have special gimmicks and tricks other classes don't

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-anakin-skywalker-star-trek-wars-gif-19720485

[grand veldt]

Just like they do to us

[grizzled nova]

We're even doing less than vdh.

And I'm not arguing there aren't use cases for disrupting shout or reflect.

But the general value of these things as a comparative exercise to the tools that vdh and ppala have on tap all the time.

[proven nova]

I mean at least give us back gag order

[grizzled nova]

Is fucken thin.

[toxic pewter]

i m most power full individual

[sleek current]

Pretty sure we're scoring second to lowest for ST right now until BDK parses start coming in with legendary. Then we're last. 😄

[grizzled nova]

Yeah against full bore raid st talents we're very meh.

But in m+ we do generally high st.

[toxic pewter]

we all must press buttons harder

it the weak pressers that are bringing us down

[sleek current]

😂 That's right must press keys harder.

[grand veldt]

If I had one wish it'd be for better rage spenders besides revenge

[toxic pewter]

we got a large amount of prot warr population that unironically has no idea how to play the spec

we the most misunderstood tank in the game

[grand veldt]

Idc about utility

More util rather

Like I want Shockwave cdr talent and range extension base

[grizzled nova]

I mean that is more utility lol

[grand veldt]

And I want like a revenge for single target, and if I was really pushing my luck I'd want it either on a separate cd

Or off gcd

I'm sick of being either gcd locked or gcd starved

My opener is like 5 gcds plus defensives

Just to have some DH do opener and rip threat

[toxic pewter]

have you considered pressing your buttons faster and harder

[grand veldt]

Then I have to taunt, leap, taunt

[grizzled nova]

I think a lot of that happening is demo shout

[toxic pewter]

wat

[grizzled nova]

I wanna demo shout early to amp all the other buttons I'm about to press, but then there's this awkward 1 second window at the beginning of the pull where I'm doing no threat

[grand veldt]

Bc we have to apply it early

Then you're behind on damage

Some [insert word] rips and dies

Now you're behind 1 dps for 30 seconds

[sick sentinel]

ignore pain or shieldwall if u take too much dmg on pull

[toxic pewter]

wat

[sick sentinel]

and I don't rlly think u take too much dmg

or idk how

u do

[toxic pewter]

wat

they talking about other people ripping aggro

[sick sentinel]

happens to all classes sometimes

just do more dmg i guess

[toxic pewter]

does not happen to me

[sick sentinel]

well I haven't gotten the opportunity to grind as much ilvl

so im only 464

so yeah there are people taking aggro

but shouldn't be ur entire pull

maybe 1 mob or 2

just taunt

[sleek current]

At 22 usually they're dead before you get the chance to taunt. 😂

[silent vessel]

especially when you have rets in your group

[sick sentinel]

yeah

or hunters

but thats just the pets

[sleek current]

Basically done all of my keys with a ret paladin and it's been a struggle. At least he has bubble. 😂 I'm prepared for it though

He knows to hold a second as well

[sick sentinel]

well tbf, if it wasn't just about playing a warrior

id be playing pala aswell, but prot

[sleek current]

I don't have the time nor care to play any other tank. Haha

[toxic pewter]

if hunter dies and they dont have misdirect or even feign death instantly that is on them

[sick sentinel]

i always have a prot pala as an alt

idk if it's better but it definitely feels easier

[grizzled nova]

I play a lot of ppala as well.

[sleek current]

I'm not being entirely truthful. I do have 5 of the 6 tanks at max level around 450 iLvl but, I don't play them seriously. Just for fun when guildies ask for lower keys

[grizzled nova]

I think the most succint way to phrase all my bitching today is:

I have more fun when I play pwar.
My group has more fun when I play ppala.

[sick sentinel]

nah i only have 2 and a 70 dk but like 380ilvl never played an m+ on it

[grand veldt]

I have everything besides vdh to 60

70 rather

Most 450 ish

[sick sentinel]

yeah I feel like that too

[grand veldt]

I can't stand vdh resource system

[sick sentinel]

lay on ahnds bres and so much defensive

[grand veldt]

Idk how people love it

[sick sentinel]

• interrupts

just feels too good

[uneven mason]

So you did the Ed story quests

[toxic pewter]

go stand in your circle

LOL

that what i say to any prot pal i see

[heady solstice]

about to alt a prot warrior are the stats still haste vers ?

for mythic +

[uneven mason]

Ilvl

[sick sentinel]

• crit

[uneven mason]

Was never vers

[grand veldt]

Entirely depends on what you want to do

[sick sentinel]

well

never rlly vers but its viable

[grand veldt]

The highest damage builds use haste crit

And I think mastery is even before vers right?

[heady solstice]

hmm okay then i wont reroll my crafted gear they are crit haste then im fine for starter

[uneven mason]

In the end we don't care what stats we get just more is better

[grand veldt]

For dps

[heady solstice]

thanks yall ❤️

[uneven mason]

Depends how much of each we have, it's generally a situation

[sick sentinel]

yeah it's a litle zesty

[uneven mason]

They're all crazy close in value, but haste = more rage

[grizzled nova]

Haste > crit > vers > mast for pure st

I think the optimal split in simc is 40% haste/30% crit/20% vers/10% mast

I dunno I'm like 40/20/30/10 right now

feels fine

only like .3% behind optimal

[uneven mason]

The optimal split is more > not more

[grand veldt]

I just stack haste vers, and then leftovers into crit

[uneven mason]

[grizzled nova]

yeh that's how I've ended up as well

[grand veldt]

Idk if mastery is good but I'm not using it

[sleek current]

Can't escape mastery this season. It's on so much gear.

[grand veldt]

Yeah really annoying

[uneven mason]

It's not bad, like I said if you have no mastery it'll be high value

[sleek current]

Pretty sure there isn't a single haste / crit helmet in Mythic +

[uneven mason]

Probably losing DPS by avoiding mastery

[grand veldt]

Probably

[toxic pewter]

mastery is a fine stat i like mastery

[sleek current]

A little bit of mastery is great but, I don't want 29% of it. 😂

So stinky.

[grizzled nova]

There isn't, I simmed all the helmets at optimal secondary split, crafted 486 haste crit helmet is just behind 489 haste/mast helmet from rise, higher than all other helmets at 489

[toxic pewter]

1000-2000 mastery is good

[grizzled nova]

Crafting helmet is a decent option.

[sleek current]

I have the RISE one on Hero Track but, tempted to just replace with helmet. Doubt I'll ever see the helmet drop in my vault. 😂

Fall, I mean... I think

[grizzled nova]

Yeh one of the doti's

so unless you get the myth track doti helmet, crafting haste/crit is good option if you're particular about secondaries

I got a myth vers/mast helmet with a socket in vault this week I had to take it

[sleek current]

Considering I have 29% mastery right now and 17% crit... Man's wants some crit. 😂

Crafting wrists next though. I went for shield upgrade first because... Shield. First week of serious Mythic prog this Monday, hope I'm lucky. Lol

[valid heart]

hey all, i am really struggling to tank larodar. Any tips?

[teal swift]

• don't die
• bring a log

[spark mortar]

What's a good trade off to get Disrupting Shout on certain fights?

[sleek current]

What are you struggling with? How are you creating distance for the charge?

[sleek current]

Drop Battering Ram

[valid heart]

im struggling to survive, the charge. I am just running to take the hit then using leap to get back. I had spell reflect macrod to ignore pain, thinking that was my issue

how do you deal with the charge @sleek current

[sleek current]

I'll draw a picture, one second

[grizzled nova]

I would leap to take the hit so you spend less time in the goo and charge back.

[sleek current]

I Heroic Leap like this and then just charge to the boss as it runs back which gets me out of the fire immediately, so I stop taking damage.

[wary plaza]

did protection change rotation at all from s2?

[valid heart]

okay that makes sense, thank you very much

[sleek current]

Press Thunder Clap about as often as shield slam and stop spamming Last Stand, that's about it.

[valid heart]

do use spell reflect once after you leap? also, does spell block help with the charge?

[grizzled nova]

drop into d stance, have reflect up, alternate holding demo shout and using wall if you don't have it available for every charge

[grizzled nova]

neg can't be blocked

[idle quartz]

Pop Demo before the charge if you can help it

[sleek current]

Spell Reflect is free DR on a 25 second cooldown, so always. I don't think SB works.

[valid heart]

got it, thank you. what is demo shout?

[sleek current]

The green orc shouting button

[grizzled nova]

demoralizing shout

[valid heart]

got it, okay, i had that one macrod to. thank you very much for the help

time to go back to the drawing board

[idle quartz]

less macros is better

[sleek current]

Yeah

[idle quartz]

Although if anyone else has anything game changing beyond the SS+IP Macro I'd love to hear it. I still have my Ultimate power pots macro'd to Avatar so I'm guilty too

[sleek current]

Other than stance change and ravager macro, I don't use anything.

Cast on Self Ravagar macro

I can't be arsed to place it and mouseover is a recipe for it going in the wrong place for me.

[valid heart]

what is the ss+ip macro?

[sleek current]

Macro IP into Shield Slam to snipe IP's

[valid heart]

nice what is ip?

[sleek current]

Ignore Pain

[valid heart]

i see

[sleek current]

I don't recommend it. You'll just end up rage starving yourself and will suffer on Shield Block uptime

[valid heart]

got it

[strong forum]

other way around

its explained in the pins at the bottom

[sleek current]

Oh yeah. 😂 You can tell I don't use it.

[strong forum]

you should

0 downsides

only upsides

[valid heart]

i am reading it, makes sense, i will add that to my ignore pain

[sleek current]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-i-will-gladly-do-so-gif-11355534

[zealous willow]

how good is

augury of the primal flame trinket

[sleek current]

It just got changed slightly so, I'm not sure but, as far as I can tell... It should still be giga. Best thing to do is sim it.

[sick sentinel]

fuck, im capped on wyrm tokens

so, i have questions about this,

[strong forum]

augury is really strong

[sick sentinel]

wasnt there a line that they recycle the old crests upwards or downards if you are maxxed out

in the 10.2 patch notes

[strong forum]

you can trade crests upwards if you do not have a single item slot left that can benefit from X crest

[blazing condor]

Yeah once ur gear is right you get an achievement

And unlock the ability to trade in the old crests for high tier

[strong forum]

but you can always downtrade crests

[sick sentinel]

this is my current gear

and i got those for other bonus trinkets i could equip

been slamming 11s for wyrms, have to do like turbo baby keys to get r1 and r2

i just call all of the crests r1 2 3 4 now,

[sleek current]

You can do all your keys at 16 and when you cap on aspects, you will automatically get Wyrm.

[sick sentinel]

i didnt enchant that ring i have, but its the correct one i want

40% haste 18% versa, feels good

[chilly brook]

Got a shield last night

Good old Everbloom shield at 483

[proven nova]

man thats some misleading data lol, ursine does not perform anywhere near that

[chilly brook]

I think it does actually perform really well for blood

[pallid quiver]

You may also note there's multiple different classes in there

[chilly brook]

But the trinket itself is broken

[pallid quiver]

So I think there's actually multiple people with the trinket

[strong forum]

Correct

It's 10 tanks using the trinket

Which multiplies the trinkets effect with each other

[pallid quiver]

"10 tanks" damn that's a lot more than i was expecting

I thought it was just like 5

[strong forum]

Is a clear exploit and was only done for showcasing, don't replicate it

[chilly brook]

How about they showcase the trinket just losing stacks

[strong forum]

That's fixed

[pallid quiver]

that's be

[chilly brook]

Oh

[strong forum]

It works now

[pallid quiver]

yeah that

[chilly brook]

I see

[pallid quiver]

i've got a pic of a log somewhere above

[proven nova]

point is there isnt any context in the image, the trinket is middling at best compared to some of the other options

[chilly brook]

Well me big stupid then

[strong forum]

It's pretty underwhelming tho

It's good, but not relevating

[chilly brook]

It’s a good trinket idea

[pallid quiver]

This one for stacks

[chilly brook]

But ye needs help

[strong forum]

The context to the image is stated right below it "it's broken"

[pallid quiver]

I don't think they will give it the kind of help we'd want to give it

[strong forum]

In the literal sense

[pallid quiver]

I think at best, they'd improve the healing or something since it's a tank spec trink

[chilly brook]

Nah and I honestly think the kinda help it needs is something a little more controllable

[pallid quiver]

just make it stack infinitely, there's nothing that could go wrong

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

Just needs a 100% buff to the counter attack dmg

Then it's good

Like top tier good

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I was thinking the counterattack section probably could use something, if only because you're giving up 30 stacks of str for it

So that sounded like the section to focus on, since stacking str is fine enough

[strong forum]

The mainstat it grants on average is pretty good, it's just the dmg proc that's a bit meh

Does like 3k dps + 2% mainstat on average

[granite pond]

A lower ilevel might of the ocean sims better for me than ursine

[sick sentinel]

ya, i'd have to find a dedicated group if i wanna do 16s 20s, 16s mayne not so much

dont feel like doin key im gunna rage out on

[toxic pewter]

The ss/ip macro is the key to doing big dam with the new tier set

When rage is flowing it’s a game changer

[urban bramble]

hey guys, i wondered: am i still using spellblock atm? Maybe i just cant think of many situations but i think the only dungeon i kinda need it is Rise and Everbloom no?

[blissful iris]

I still dont understand how im suppose to leap out of breath on last rise boss.. i literally leap as far as i can go backwards and still hits me

[sleek current]

Just ask the healer to use a defensive on you when you think you're going to need it. Like... Usually, I need it for the 3rd breath, so I just say external on 3rd breath please.

I've survived it solo all the way up to 17 on Tyrannical and 20 on Fort. That hasn't happened this week though. Double orbs is not a death sentence now

[patent osprey]

Have you seen other people do it and compared it to your own? need to max distance leap right as the cast begins

If you are slow on the leap, you will still get hit

[blissful iris]

maybe im just boomer slow

[patent osprey]

It is good on most dungeons except for Ataldazar, and maybe waycrest depending on the key level ofc.

[sick sentinel]

don't feel too bad, im still struggling with this game and other oldschool games

[chilly brook]

It has felt night and day after I remembered to start using it especially on stuff like the 4 bat pack in DHT

Too bad it doesn’t work on the one thing I wish it did in that dungeon

[urban bane]

pika posting in protection again

it truly is the best of times

[chilly brook]

It’s a great time to be a warrior

Warrior owns

[urban bane]

ya im having big fun with all specs

[patent osprey]

🙂

[patent osprey]

dont think it works on the 4 bat pack :/ bat pack is a dot, which it doesnt work on

Even reflecting the DOT on the bat packs, is just PAD LOL all the damage it does back on the bat, the bat gets full health from it cause of how the dot works

But its still good to do because it prevents an application of the disease on you