Yea I know
#protection
lime dust
violet flume
ive definitely seen 100% blocks but ususally thats against crap world mobs
unless i hallucinated things
warm plinth
Regular block caps at 85%. Spell block has no cap.
lime dust
I have also Drayen, but they say "Blocked"
warm plinth
Or you're just instantly leeching back the remainder
urban portal
sometimes the block is so small they just say blocked
a LFR shield has 1800 less block than a mythic maxed shield
just fyi
lime dust
Highest I can get with talents is 47.06%. It's just so weird that we can't increase that value outside of 1 piece of gear (Our shield) and a talent.
Thank you for the info
violet flume
yeah "Blocked" is what i was refering to
urban portal
because the game is balanced around it
i would rather all my defense be in 1 piece of gear than spread out over 15
warm plinth
Highest I can get with talents is 47.06%. It's just so weird that we can't incr...
Are you including brace stacks in that?
cinder nova
queen hemlock
An expansion later and im back with the same issue
During m+ keys i seem to always screw up my aggro when pulling
Some fringe mob losing aggrow early in the fight
What do i eh do
I standard procedure is
Charge>TC>shield charge>Avatar>ravager>shieldblock>SS>demo>roar
bleak breach
Not much if you’re doing everything right
Some dps will just tear threat if they don’t wait a sec
Is it havoc dh?
queen hemlock
Almost everyclass is tearing it off
Say i want to do a big pull
I charge TC revenge and jump to the nrxt pack
The pack i tc and revenge is usually no longer on me
Even though i watched a blood dk drop and aoe and just ran to the other having no issue (0)_(0)
grim pilot
I mean if people are blasting packs while you're collecting it's their fault
But I generally try to keep an eye on collecting packs if I know they might start to blast
and charge back with tc or some heroic throws + taunt
median tulip
If DPS dump their CDs into mobs you are actively moving, rather than tanking, then that's a them problem
queen hemlock
and charge back with tc or some heroic throws + taunt
I have issues targeting the things i dont have aggro on
Or well
Just targeting issues
Im not sure if they are dumping cds as it keeps happening
grim pilot
Get good platers and kind of check mobs health
queen hemlock
Say i charge in
I already see spells flying infront of me
grim pilot
yeah it's their fucking problem if they die
queen hemlock
Get good platers and kind of check mobs health
I know who it is
Just having issue clicking on the specific guy
grim pilot
there's literally a meme about warriors charging way too early and dying before tanks can get aggro
queen hemlock
I mean when playing warrior dps
Enrage regen/die by the sword +victory rush+ spell shield makes one very difficult to be killed i think
Never really died unless i suddenly got aggroed without expecting it
But alright thanks
But just to check
Charge TC revenge is usually good enough for aggro right?
Or must i throw in more revenge
grim pilot
I never have aggro issues doing that yes
queen hemlock
So charge tc revenge shield charge revenge
grim pilot
Assuming dps doesnt start blasting before im even there
And you can get easily oneshotted as I’ve had that happen a couple of times like an idiot, mobs can crit you for a lot
queen hemlock
If no shield block aye
Starting to wonder if i should put points into reducing the aoe stun to not fuck it up
Oh wait it doesnt exist now right
grim pilot
If no shield block aye
no I mean as a dps warrior
queen hemlock
Oh ah
restive scroll
Is there a cap stack on the tree boss in WM ? I got hit for 1M2 when the previous melee was 400k~ (about 60 stacks IIRc)
median tulip
Is there a cap stack on the tree boss in WM ? I got hit for 1M2 when the previou...
99, I think
restive scroll
99, I think
Alright then, not sure where that oneshot came from then.
Thanks:)
Probably showed my back or something, i'll check the log sometimes
woven torrent
why would u go to 60 stacks tho
restive scroll
Because why not, almost dead and stuff
lilac bloom
Great getting another chance at H fyrakk.. will do combat logs this time
real minnow
At Soulbound Goliath in WM i can ignore the fires to reset Soul Harvest when SB is 100% up? Guy told me he managed 3x stacks in 20+ Key...
lilac bloom
are the tanks meant to jump away when he does dream rend? or just run away
woven torrent
At Soulbound Goliath in WM i can ignore the fires to reset Soul Harvest when SB ...
If you really mean only 3 stacks..yeah
U cant rly feel it even at 15
real minnow
If you really mean only 3 stacks..yeah
he mean more tha 30...
restive scroll
are the tanks meant to jump away when he does dream rend? or just run away
Either's fine.
Doesn't really damages the tank.
You just get the same aoe damage as everyone else
woven torrent
he mean more tha 30...
Oh might be doable tbh
restive scroll
At Soulbound Goliath in WM i can ignore the fires to reset Soul Harvest when SB ...
I literally asked for this at 60 stacks in 22 3 lines before ;)
woven torrent
Its rly annoying when u get unlucky with the fires
and have to run half a courtyard tho
restive scroll
And no, it starts hitting at some point, although it takes time
woven torrent
inbetween getting ppl out
restive scroll
Starts to hit a little at 40, 50 is good enough reset wise imo. Depends on key level though
lilac bloom
Either's fine.
Doesn't really damages the tank.
You just get the same aoe damag...
ok thanks
real minnow
I literally asked for this at 60 stacks in 22 3 lines before ;)
lol... ok sry 🙂
restive scroll
No worry, can't read everything;)
lilac bloom
i'm going to try to not die from the blaze.. do i use demo shout or shield block for that? or ignore pain and shield block
or can that be reflected
restive scroll
Can't
but reflect reduces its damage
You shouldn't use anything for it, unless you're pretty low health already
You can also use Dstance if you feel squishy for it
Depends where you feel it hurts basically
lilac bloom
thats what i'm in dstance
restive scroll
I usually CD on the tank buster, and when I get high stacks of debuff
lilac bloom
i felt hurt when he hits me when i get the bite plus the blaze
restive scroll
I do CD on bites in P3 though
if you can make the cd overlap between blaze & bite, that's great
but P3 just hurts
and bites hurt more than the blaze
So i usually try to keep my CD for the bites
lilac bloom
yah thats whats goign to kill me
restive scroll
pretty much
lilac bloom
but with the blaze?
woven torrent
do the stacks amplify the blaze damage too?
never looked it up cus i reset at like 20 stacks 
maybe i should go more
restive scroll
do the stacks amplify the blaze damage too?
Not sure at all, just starts to hurt when I get to 20 stacks
Don't see that happenning often though
lilac bloom
what stacks are those
woven torrent
I just remember group usually getting to 10-20% hp
but us just spamming IP keeps me healthy
restive scroll
what stacks are those
Aflame, Heal have to dispel it. Shouldn't be your problem most of the time
lilac bloom
so when he does the byte on tank we should taunt off each other everytime?
last time when i did it on normal just 2
restive scroll
On 2, can't reset otherwise
you can take more, depending on the gear
saw one DK solotank it too
lilac bloom
i was tanking with a dk and he try to take all
wouldn't even let me taunt the boss back
but somehow.. i end up dying
restive scroll
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lilac bloom
yah.. this time i want to know why i die and how i can improve
so if i stick with 2 byte4s then taunt in p1.. dodge blaze .. and stand still if i have it... i should be good
its the 2nd byte that i need to reflect right?
restive scroll
can probably reflect both if you preshot it a little bit for the first one
shouldn't be necessary, but it helps
lilac bloom
ok thanks.. hopefuly i live long
restive scroll
can also spell block 2 of them, shield wall one ect
if you already went to P3, you're doing something right
teal swift
restive scroll
you can remove the fear for pain and gain, rest is whatever
light dune
saw one DK solotank it too
There's a streamer called woottodoo or something that solo tanks it and helps viewers kill HC fyrakk
He's got like 75 kills already
blazing condor
That man just does fyrakk pugs all day
light dune
I did HC denathrius and razsageth with him the first time I killed them
He's good at leading
jagged pier
u didnt read anything i sent u cool
restive scroll
You wanna be primarily st in raid
One can make the argument that stuns are still good for P2
bleak breach
One can make the argument that stuns are still good for P2
Could but meh, don’t really need it with roughly 20 other people there
restive scroll
Could but meh, don’t really need it with roughly 20 other people there
yeah, could be helpful, not necessary in hc
teal swift
and using this talent as on pin
Do you actually need shockwave and ravager for raid?
jagged pier
u need ravage for all content
restive scroll
shokwave probably not, ravager yes
jagged pier
thats not the talent build i gave him the other day
teal swift
Swap it for the other roar talent
Ah ok
That looks like m+ talents
Intim roar
Shockwave
jagged pier
it is
i linked him 2 talent set told which was which
but he obviosuly didnt read the message
teal swift
I checked pins
Raid build has like no cc talents
Imagine
Stormbolt, shockwave, intim shout, wtf you need all these tools for, when you could just increase throughput
thorny stone
2 1/2 righ?
This
ashen coral
Would titanesqu throw + improved throw instead of best served cold and sidearm be a good choice ?
I don’t think it is a big loss in dps as you can hit a maximum of 6 targets with titanesqu throw and as you won’t struggle to take aggro even with strong dh or other burst classes you can apply your rotation quicker
I tested in everbloom and it seemed to be really good
restive scroll
Would titanesqu throw + improved throw instead of best served cold and sidearm b...
With the new tier, that's something that I think is a good question.
Revenge is about 2.62% of my dps on a random log
That'll be a dps loss, but maybe an acceptable one for some contents
karmic plinth
improved is probably unnecessary for the purposes of threat but titanic can be worth taking
karmic plinth
you can drop pain and gain or bounding stride for it
ashen coral
so that's not a possible swap
I meant swapping sidearm for titanic and best served cold (the 10% buff on revenge) for improving throw
restive scroll
Oh, idk if that'd be worth it.
Damage on heroic throw would still be quite low I think, and we inflict deep wounds anyway with other ways
ashen coral
The second one may not be necessary but it may be a good QoL ability while best served cold is not so impactul
restive scroll
I can see that, yes
karmic plinth
titanic is a nice threat tool while improved heroic throw is only useful for the moents you arent in melee
restive scroll
Usual question, is QoL worth what you loose?
I'm having trouble loosing pain and gain for the improved leap already
ashen coral
Usual question, is QoL worth what you loose?
If it’s a 1% or less dps loss i think it is
restive scroll
I'd tend to agree
ashen coral
I'm having trouble loosing pain and gain for the improved leap already
Pain and gain is how much hps for you ?
Or instead, what % of your heal
ashen coral
Yeah it is not so low indeed
restive scroll
10% in a random everbloomno that's weird
Yes, 5%, looks better
ashen coral
I used bitter immunity instead of pain and gain before to switch for titanic throw as it is an emergency healing + remove poison, but I didn’t really see a big difference
I still use the rez trinket in case there is really an emergency that would make these 5% healing decisive
tired crystal
Damn signet isn't bad on a 200kdps key
sick sentinel
i find titanic throw moderately cursed, at least for keys
likes to tag other groups or even a boss you might not want to
waxen frigate
well yes that's why you dont take it
sick sentinel
its good maybe in some vacuum that you have mobs out of group and like they are shooting or casting but grouped for dps to hit them? im not a fan of it
ashen coral
its good maybe in some vacuum that you have mobs out of group and like they are ...
Usually you use it in the same time as charge or taunt with a macro, so even if dps have burst they can't take aggro of one of the mobs in engage
ashen coral
likes to tag other groups or even a boss you might not want to
If there is really a mob you want to take alone you can do a separate bind for only taunt, that's what i do
But for now I didn't hit a mob i didn't want, if a mob is really close to another pack i taunt it but usually it doesn't happen
pale karma
Does anyone pick up disrupting shouts for keys?
ashen coral
For example in everbloom i could easily hit a pack whereas there was a pack near it that i didn't want and it didn't pull them, you just target the mob the farest to the undesired pack
waxen frigate
bounding stride is a must have
uneven mason
19eb last night titanic throw was acting like old sidewinders, flying off sideways and tagging extra packs
sick sentinel
bounding stride is a must have
its just nice to have is all, unless you need it for the cdr
uneven mason
Go fast or die
sick sentinel
yeah, cuz its like, i don't really talk about keys a whole lot here even thats main retail focus
cuz its, >>> i died>> post logs >> log posted >> didnt sb enough + didnt cast enough X >> yogi bad
its like, yeah,
gloomy vortex
Hi all, trying to understand why I died twice here.. felt like I just had nothing to combat the damage being taken which was unusual as done this last week with no issues. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YfhTVpcFCHyZPXMN#fight=64&type=deaths
thorny stone
You have to press more buttons.
You didn't use shield wall at all, and you can swap to defensive stand (can't see what stance you are on, as you didn't swap)
gloomy vortex
Hmm that is strange that I did not use shield wall
I found when jumping away to drop the flower, that is when I had a lot of damage I couldn’t mitigate
Health just dropped running back to boss
blazing condor
i mean you also died from a beam
impending loom
if you get stunned in those you just kinda die
especially after youve gotten the bomb cus you get a debuff where you take extra nature damage
2nd death you also died to impending loom (beam you dodge)
100% avoidable deaths
gloomy vortex
This one is where the dot screwed me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YfhTVpcFCHyZPXMN#fight=65&type=deaths&source=21&death=1
gloomy vortex
Ok so the first one is just down to me being a fucking idiot
blazing condor
yep
for the fight itself you just gotta be aware that you get a debuff after you drop a bomb
where you take increased nature damage for a while
gloomy vortex
What’s the suggestion for when we have the debuff
jagged pier
Well u have to tank the boss when i have the debuff so u use a defensive
blazing condor
cus that can hit you for like 1 mil damage unmitigated
gloomy vortex
We rotate 3 tanks, pally and a monk also and they just never die so I look like a yard
blazing condor
thats the thing that will hit the most amount of damage though
harsh escarp
Can anyone give me some advice about Xeri'tacs Unhatched Egg - wowhead specifically says no to using this trinket but by the level of absorbs I'm hitting with this trinket in higher tiered M+s, it's a good chunk of mitigated damage. Am I missing something?
blazing condor
We rotate 3 tanks, pally and a monk also and they just never die so I look like ...
well we're not exactly great with magic damage intake
fight is like full on nature damage
just gotta play with more defensives in mind
use def stance if u need
especially when u run out and drop bombs cus u cant hit the boss anyway
jagged pier
3 tanks for nyme? Eh?
gloomy vortex
3 tanks for nyme? Eh?
We rotate 3 tanks each week
jagged pier
Monka
sick sentinel
100 seeds fastest 1500 rep
tokens you have to do something to earn the token, and its one and done
gloomy vortex
Anyone know how on Warcraft logs I can view a person who hasn’t died with a timeline of damage/healing done on them similar to that of if they had died? Hope that makes sense
uneven mason
Everything on nym is splockable iirc
It's a massive lifesaver when you have to taunt with the debuff
uneven mason
Anyone know how on Warcraft logs I can view a person who hasn’t died with a time...
Just start pulling logs for pwar on nym, remember, you can ask for externals as well.
timber nest
On mythic council is there any time or reason to the bosses movements? Do they move based on people’s locations? HP%? Or is it random
waxen frigate
There’s timers
What we’ve tried to do to maximize uptime is pull towards the one that isn’t jumping away next
timber nest
Hmm ok
warm plinth
Anyone know how on Warcraft logs I can view a person who hasn’t died with a time...
so you want this view?
timber nest
What we’ve tried to do to maximize uptime is pull towards the one that isn’t jum...
But there’s no way to bait in a general direction that they go?
gloomy vortex
so you want this view?
Yes but the person hasn’t died and can’t see it outside of deaths tab
uneven mason
Nope it's set position iirc
warm plinth
Click the person, then go to the resources tab
uneven mason
But there’s no way to bait in a general direction that they go?
The deer I know has a pattern
harsh escarp
Can anyone give me some advice about Xeri'tacs Unhatched Egg - wowhead specifica...
Anyone on this?
waxen frigate
But there’s no way to bait in a general direction that they go?
afaik no
and it seems inconsistent
sometimes boss jumps away before first combo
sometimes doesnt
uneven mason
Can anyone give me some advice about Xeri'tacs Unhatched Egg - wowhead specifica...
No you're not missing something, it's just we don't usually run defensive trinkets as they tend to be weaker than DPS trinkets
harsh escarp
No you're not missing something, it's just we don't usually run defensive trinke...
Ah, I get it. It's just such a massive absorb, sitting a good chunk under ignore pain. I've gotten some other trinkets I can replace it with.
toxic pewter
go do more damage
uneven mason
Ah, I get it. It's just such a massive absorb, sitting a good chunk under ignore...
It's about 450k per minute at max ilvl iirc
Which is 7500hps, it also triggers after you take damage
Which means it's not very likely to go off in a situation that would keep you from dying
It's just not very good, something can look good on paper (see bsv) but in effective function be considerably worse
harsh escarp
I have a replacement lined up anyways. Drops my health down a bit and I managed to get an upgraded version with avoidannce on it but it's alright. I just needed to know WHY. I get Wowhead saying No but not explaining themselves was frustrating.
uneven mason
Oh yeah it's also a Stam trinket
Which makes it completely garbage for survival
Str or any secondary is an order of magnitude stronger for ehp
harsh escarp
I managed to get a heroic butcher's block, that'll have to do for now until I can get a better drop.
uneven mason
We're a mitigation tank, our hp pool is mostly irrelevant
I don't think any of the tanks are Stam stackers... maybe BRM?
But agi is still way better for them
cerulean tusk
APB hot-take Inc 
toxic pewter
why am i seeing the words 'health' 'stamina' 'absorb' in the year effectively 2024 🤔
uneven mason
I managed to get a heroic butcher's block, that'll have to do for now until I ca...
That's a much better trinkets
uneven mason
why am i seeing the words 'health' 'stamina' 'absorb' in the year effectively 20...
Because some people just came fresh from wotlk classic
toxic pewter
asking questions like its 2004.. O_O
cerulean tusk
Seething was more funny
uneven mason
We need a "classic brain" emoji
uneven mason
asking questions like its 2004.. O_O
2008
cerulean tusk
Dang we are ild, huh
toxic pewter
yea i was going with the 2023 to 2013 situatuion but yuea
i changed it all up
its now 2004
harsh escarp
If I didn't ask and the information wasn't available like it was in this case, I wouldn't have been able to correct the mistake.
cerulean tusk
I pull 140k DPS in dstance
harsh escarp
yeah.
cerulean tusk
What u gonna do about it
toxic pewter
I pull 140k DPS in dstance
could be doing more
cerulean tusk
And take more dam, nah nah
cerulean tusk
I rather just be safe watching YouTube while farmin m+
toxic pewter
yeah.
Try playing more in battle stance to do more damage switch to defensive stance when u taking a lot of dam
harsh escarp
I mean, just as a point of reference, most of the trinkets have good explanations as to WHY they're good. This had no reason for why it sucked.
toxic pewter
yeah the explanation is pretty awful cannot deny that
should of actually given a real explanation
uneven mason
Switch to defensive when you have to Solo the last 8% of giganticass in EB because DPS don't kill the tree before genesis
vocal flame
I pull 140k DPS in dstance
I think there is a misnomer of tanks survive ability vs damage output not sure what the balance is. Do you wanna do 300k and die all the time? haha
opaque quest
I don't think any of the tanks are Stam stackers... maybe BRM?
No. We use crit vers to get more heals
cerulean tusk
Just don't die 
toxic pewter
the stance situation is the final hallmark of what separates the simple prot warrior from the god tier prot warrior. The greatest prots know when and when not to be in each stance
uneven mason
I mean, just as a point of reference, most of the trinkets have good explanation...
Yeah he's being a snartass there, basically that item was for an era before all tanks became linked to their primary stat
vocal flame
I mean, just as a point of reference, most of the trinkets have good explanation...
Always sim trinkets, I have trinkets that are 30ilevels higher than the one I have and if I sim it its a huge dps loss
uneven mason
I am going to do so, stam phial and everything
Have fun dropping aggro to edgebois
cerulean tusk
I don't lose threat, I push buttons
toxic pewter
even someone like myself that despises the current stance situation, it is undeniable that it is the defining trait of a truly good prot warr to express their skill currently
cerulean tusk
I like it, as it is a situation to get a minor benefit or play it safe. So it is pure skill expression 
uneven mason
Yeah ngl I do enjoy the comfort of that extra mit
Combined with the new tierset feeling pretty unkillable
12-16% extra dr while slapping for big damage, it's a keeper
dusk cloak
Fervid bite is doing work
dusky canopy
This tiers council fight is very meh
dusky canopy
All I want to do is cleave and they just leap everywhere
dusky canopy
Doing ducks is the worst too
I’ll probably be bench riding next week since I asked a question that was a “heroic mechanic” witch “looks bad”
dusk cloak
I’ll probably be bench riding next week since I asked a question that was a “her...
Bro what? If you're researching the content and ask about a fight for a mechanic regardless I wouldn't sit you
Especially if it's H vs N
dusky canopy
I was thinking to myself like HUH in heroic I just pop duck instantly so I can zug zug
uneven mason
Obviously, 30s summary should make you an expert
dusky canopy
I’m not worried about the duck duration lmao
dusk cloak
Between the first six, council won't be the problem. It'll most likely be Nymue
dusky canopy
I’ll admit it seemed like a total shit show the first half of the night but once everyone started figuring out what to do when ducked we started getting close to kill
Bro mobile boss lmao
uneven mason
Between the first six, council won't be the problem. It'll most likely be Nymue
Nymue so much raid damage
opaque quest
I’ll probably be bench riding next week since I asked a question that was a “her...
Lets wipe 10 times because ppl are to scared to ask a question about a mechanic so wipes dont happen
dusky canopy
Yeah exactly
vocal nimbus
dusky canopy
I asked the GM straight up yesterday.
“GM, did me asking a question to clarify for the group make me look bad” the response was “it’s not a good look but I appreciate you asking because we all know theirs at least 4 other people with the same question who are too scared to ask”
opaque quest
time to change guild
dusky canopy
I know right like we’re a late tier CE guild pardon me for clarifying shit on week 3
uneven mason
I know right like we’re a late tier CE guild pardon me for clarifying shit on we...
How could you
dusky canopy
Raid lead is pretty cool though I like him
uneven mason
My guild is still doing normal runs every week so we're losing 25% of our 4 hours to that
uneven mason
Not that I'm too upset, people passing on normal loot let me finally get 4p
dusky canopy
Have the loot gods been good to you?
toxic pewter
wait is that the guild that gave the mythic shield to a healer when you have an active prot warr tankin
dusky canopy
Don’t hate on my boy though he’s giga chad Prot tank too I’m washed this tier
dusk cloak
Nymue so much raid damage
Honestly soaks is Huge, having multiple do it is for the best
dusky canopy
No no I got you
toxic pewter
Ok cool lol
dusky canopy
Same page
toxic pewter
they did him dirty ngl
dusk cloak
Also, I would never belittle a raider for asking a question like that. Why are they blasting you bro
Toxicccccc
dusky canopy
I was blowing up the loot council DMs for my boy but it fell on deaf ears
toxic pewter
yeah when I raid lead, even as I do with an iron fist, I still want people to ask questions
dusk cloak
I am raid lead for my group and I don't do that shit, it's disrespectful
dusky canopy
Also, I would never belittle a raider for asking a question like that. Why are ...
It’s not as bad as it sounds just a little jab at the end of the night before the guy got offline
dusk cloak
Also having accountability is huge. I fucked up on the bear one time trying to get him back and he aoe cleaved like 2 dps. I admit my mistakes
dusk cloak
Support the homies, don't break em down.
dusk cloak
Rezan is dope. I had a heroic in my vault this week on my dk. I had bad luck with tier and had shoulders in vault on normal. I still took the rezans
Ended up 4 set anyway with one omnitoken, 2k and second catalyst
toxic pewter
Signet/rezans kinda slaps
been trying to get a rezans for a bit now havent seen it once
dusky canopy
Def worth for ST situations
dusk cloak
It's great, I have it on prot warrior and bdk
toxic pewter
19 runs so far
dusky canopy
🙌
dusk cloak
You'll get it, don't forget it doesn't drop for prot tho
dusky canopy
Next run you get it
dusk cloak
Easy thing to miss, so just be in arms loot spec. Also, helps if you have other people that play with you that can trade
toxic pewter
dang
dusk cloak
I think the longest chase item I had was during s1 trying to get that ring from Nighthold
dusky canopy
I actually wasn’t even farming rezans we just ran a guildies 21 to see what 23 we could roll
dusk cloak
It was like 22 or something
dusky canopy
Holy mog
opaque quest
dusky canopy
Sick hat bro
opaque quest
I saw the new 1h axe. The blue one. Pretty sick too
opaque quest
thanks it actually matches heroic tier set
Nothing matches a furrypera
toxic pewter
Nothing matches a furrypera
u got vulperophobia
do i spend 500 on the scarlet trappings just for the shield.. hmm
waxen frigate
Ya I’m looking for a wreath type one
toxic pewter
does this work
dusky canopy
Mistletoe?
waxen frigate
does this work
That’s solid
toxic pewter
best i can find so far...
opaque quest
No way in hell i will be kissing under that mistletoe
hardy snow
opaque quest
I am a: must the this tall to ride person and vulperas arent
toxic pewter
I am a: must the this tall to ride person and vulperas arent
i m tall where it counts
opaque quest
plush tendon
You don’t kiss the boys goodnight after raid?
Listen, I always tuck the bois into bed at night and read them a story
homies gotta get a good nights sleep!
opaque quest
Pretty sure Mwahi beats us up if we escalate into its not gae if statements
plush tendon
blazing condor
toxic pewter
gonna get that fox mount so ill be a fox on a fox
toxic pewter
yes
uneven mason
Like my pandaren shaman wear the bear headpiece while riding the blizzard bear
waxen frigate
it sucks
uneven mason
Man 11 days off for christmas/new years
Jealous
opaque quest
Half the weapons are missing lol
uneven mason
I'm technically working but since everything I do is client facing
I sorta get the 2 weeks around Christmas and New year's off
Because I'll legitimately have nothing to do
toxic pewter
yeah no idea where half the stuff is
uneven mason
Mount is missing as well
toxic pewter
dunno if i want to spend 500 for that scarlet ensemble..
the shield only thing i would perhaps use
opaque quest
Half of everything is missing. Every weapon apart from the hammers. The cloak and so on
uneven mason
Maybe data mining was wrong
dusk cloak
They did
uneven mason
didnt blizzard make a literal post though
You can't trust Blizzard
opaque quest
Maybe data mining was wrong
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/24033715/make-merry-at-the-december-trading-post its the official website
vocal flame
dunno if i want to spend 500 for that scarlet ensemble..
you spend yours every month? i have like 4k
toxic pewter
you spend yours every month? i have like 4k
i also have like 3k lol
opaque quest
But blizz is to dumb for math in diablo. Probably to dumb for some traders shit aswell
vocal flame
i also have like 3k lol
Speeeend it $$$$
dusk cloak
Let's be real, the warrior set for November is super annoying to build around
toxic pewter
500 though lol
vocal flame
so what?
opaque quest
500 though lol
dont
toxic pewter
the warrior set is one of my worst purchases yet tbh lmao
that thing suk ass
and the weapons too
dusk cloak
Also very little works with it
dusky canopy
Yo what???
dusk cloak
I got it and like, what am I supposed to do with this
toxic pewter
the horn goes through the shoulders lol
dusky canopy
The November set you think is bad??
opaque quest
the warrior set is one of my worst purchases yet tbh lmao
Same for my DK set. I wanted it now i hate it
toxic pewter
i should of refunded it
dusk cloak
opaque quest
lul no full set broke ass bitch
dusky canopy
I can’t buy T3 gotta save my milli for the axe
opaque quest
Just spend 130€ and buy it
dusky canopy
plush tendon
Tier 3 is overrated
uneven mason
T3 go fucking hard.
Looks like DK set besides shoulder and helm
opaque quest
opaque quest
Tier 3 is overrated
TAKE THAT BACK
toxic pewter
the blade masters azure stones are actually cool
dusk cloak
Yall see the anal neck beads in the TP this month
toxic pewter
ya i bought them
uneven mason
the blade masters azure stones are actually cool
Yeah, where's our f**king blademaster banner
opaque quest
Talk about wasting money
uneven mason
The dream
uneven mason
I miss 2h tanking as a warrior
opaque quest
Glad 
uneven mason
No
uneven mason
Glad is the cause of the largest prot nerf in the history of wow
dusk cloak
Most fun I've ever had playing DPS was as prot warrior
opaque quest
Glad was so shit and i still played it in highmaul lmao
dusk cloak
Yeah because it shit on arms and fury first tier
uneven mason
Just buff prot damage
uneven mason
DK tier 8?
opaque quest
Yeah because it shit on arms and fury first tier
It didnt. Arms was way ahead. Thats why i had to play arms for butcher because me doing 6k instead of 9k didnt hit the dps chck
dusk cloak
Warrior t8
plush tendon
DK tier 8?
Ulduar
dusk cloak
Do any of us know what t8 is?
plush tendon
head with horns?
uneven mason
And even that's wrong
uneven mason
head with horns?
Literally half the plate tiers have horns bruh
And the horns are wrong too
opaque quest
T3 shoulder face is bobbys face when they found the flightbook to epsteins island
dusk cloak
We can agree that Sepulcher was one of the worst tier sets
plush tendon
Literally half the plate tiers have horns bruh
I think its disengenius to say that they look nothing alike... they are quite similar in color scheme, tone, and general appearance
but one is better
and the other.... overrated
dusk cloak
Math doesn't check out
opaque quest
T8 is deadmines
dusk cloak
That makes more sense
uneven mason
I think Augusto needs a break from #protection for being SO UNBELIEVABLY WRONG
opaque quest
^
dusky canopy
Crit did a arms key with 1h/shield
dusk cloak
Hey now, everyone has a right to their own opinion
dusky canopy
Surely Prot can do 2h key
dusk cloak
Even if it's the wrong opinion
plush tendon
T3 aint even better then the remake
dusky canopy
uneven mason
T3 aint even better then the remake
opaque quest
T3 aint even better then the remake
uneven mason
Surely Prot can do 2h key
I actually did a +7 for aguildie with a 2h in my MH for half the key because I didn't update my equipment set
Didn't notice because TC and SS still work
plush tendon
We went from Nathria set and Necrolord set to.... ***that***
Nathria went hard
dusk cloak
Yeah, wonderful set. Also mythic set of Antorus as a fucking space marine is Hella dope
plush tendon
Ive always been a bigger fan of the Onslaught set; the OG from BC and the remake in legion
uneven mason
Yeah nathria set one of my favorites, the neck guard bit on the chest complements so many sets
uneven mason
Ive always been a bigger fan of the Onslaught set; the OG from BC and the remake...
Ok I'll forgive you being wrong earlier, spikes set is indeed goated
dusk cloak
I have all these mogs and still use the same ones. Upset that I can't use my 1h warlord sword from vanilla that's sitting in my bank.
uneven mason
The PvP coloration in tbc was my favorite
And what I used to tank most of hyjal and bt because the t6 set gave you too much dodge/parry
uneven mason
I have all these mogs and still use the same ones. Upset that I can't use my 1h...
Just run rbgs
uneven mason
That pre raid bis
That literally could be my warrior in early 2007
Tbc progression, grind dungeons and Daily's for rep, hit those heroics to exalted, get vendor epics and socketed blues
Get karazhan key hit up gruuls for SSC access, run a bunch more heroics, do Magtheridon, get Tempest key
I have fond memories, but having to re attune every new member, never again
toxic pewter
fox on fox action
dusk cloak
I do enjoy the bug t4 set
opaque quest
fox on fox action
I dont like the phrasing one bit
But right now i have human on dragon action
toxic pewter
XD
dusk cloak
Okay, iceborne was great
I've been playing MH since it came out in 2004 and Iceborne has been the best it's ever been
opaque quest
110% Friend and me finished rise. Went back to Iceborne last week and we are having a blast
dusk cloak
Also, guiding lands was way better of an endgame grind than the beefed up monsters ngl
opaque quest
I hate afflicted monsters with a passion
dusk cloak
Yeah, afflicted is gamba
opaque quest
Grinding lands are fun. Go in. Kill some shit leave
opaque quest
Will take some time for me/us to reach grinding lands again tho. We are on a new playthrough. Just did the first velkh fight. Now onto seliana defense
dusk cloak
I always main DB/SnS. Biggest issue Iceborne had was the clutch claw. Get rid of that and it was great.
That ability that fixed it for breaking parts in mandatory tho
opaque quest
I played DB mostly then LS for Fatalis. Now i play SnS and its super simple but fun
SnS has a special clutch that tenderizes in one go but ye clutch claw boost is must have
dusk cloak
Ya, the wife and I played a lot of world. Rise we didn't touch anywhere nearly as much
800 hours in world for like 300 in rise
opaque quest
For me its 300 in both but i started super late in world. Pretty sure ill put in 300 more hours now in world tho. Its just the superior game to me
dusky canopy
Use the red one
“Auto bots, ROLLOUT!”
dusk cloak
I will Never use that set
crimson bolt
quick question for a warrior that just started tanking yesterday as OS specc
is it hard to hold aggro as prot war? I'm finding it difficult to build initial aggro
plush tendon
it shouldnt be
you charge, slam your CDs and you blast
and, worst case, you got challenging shout
dusky canopy
In ST charge shield slam should be enough to snap threat
crimson bolt
I'm struggling in MT
median tulip
If one of the DPS dump all their CDs in the first few seconds they can pull threat. That's a them problem
dusky canopy
Then your demo shout into shield charge is giga threat
median tulip
Especially if they choose to go for a fdifferent tareget to the one you are SHield Slamming
dusky canopy
I usually taunt during charge as well if I’m MT
median tulip
Failing all else, throw Storm Bolt at whatever it is
crimson bolt
got it..ill try
median tulip
Once you drop Ravager almost everything should be on you like glue
crimson bolt
I'm usually opening with regular charge, not shield charge
maybe I should change that
median tulip
I open with regular charge instantly followed by Shield Charge. Because SC has no minimum range
plush tendon
yea, you want to normal charge, get demo on targets, then SC
dusky canopy
No you want to regular charge
plush tendon
for the sweet 20% damage buff
dusky canopy
You want to shield charge right after Demo shout
Oh duh Augusto I typed my reply before reading yours
strong forum
ravager -> demo -> roar -> sc
if you got a fervid proc, you want to use it before SC and after roar
dusky canopy
median tulip
Not foorgetting to press Shield Block, Shield Wall, Avatar and Ingore Pain off GCD while doing all of the above
There's a reason this is known as a carpal tunnel spec xD
crimson bolt
have 4 set
final radish
yo after 2 season i back on warr and have many question 😛 i did +20 today with 430 gear and P warr is so biiiiiiiiiig bro
i have big problem in tott with that bleed dogs
grizzled nova
as does everyone else
final radish
spell block work ?
grizzled nova
kiting works
grizzled nova
im not like that 😦
you can kite or you can die
really your only two options for doggies
final radish
really your only two options for doggies
😭
change race to Dowrf
take evoker healer
strong forum
or any paladin or any evoker
final radish
paladin ?
strong forum
bop
plush tendon
change race to Dowrf
Dwarves are very cool
final radish
spending rage make my next slam with a bleed ? with 40 % of my all damage ?
rly cant underestand it
final radish
Dwarves are very cool
100%
toxic pewter
the dogs got nerfed and a lot more manageable now but your ilvl at 430 u should feel stronger when you get higher ilvl
grizzled nova
the dogs got nerfed and a lot more manageable now but your ilvl at 430 u should ...
even still, pack is a clusterfuck best kited
toxic pewter
yeah true on fort a lot more harmful
grizzled nova
why blizzard makes low impact pulls with intentionally unhealable dots I dunno
toxic pewter
i feel like his 430 ilvl is low for a 20
final radish
yep
but rly
didnt have any problem
im playing all tanks and im tank main
but warrior with 430 i lvl i was rly surprised
its a Big tank bro
toxic pewter
yes
toxic pewter
just inspected a guy with 4 piece still using bolster for some reason
violet flume
why blizzard makes low impact pulls with intentionally unhealable dots I dunno
they probably think making a pull a kite pull is fun and quirky
i just want to face smash man
make me use a cooldown sure bute kiting 😡 me wanna smash shield
strong forum
tank lives dont matter
time and time again do you have absolutely obscene singular abilities on mobs that just dont get touched at all
strong forum
not if it exclusively affects tank
violet flume
i bet theyll never fix the green rays from the bats appearing 10% of the time
first time i did the boss i thought "werent bat vomit angle more obvious before?"
then i got a green line on my 4th run once
the never again
grizzled nova
just inspected a guy with 4 piece still using bolster for some reason
be free from bolster prison, embrace bloodborne like the meme dps you were meant to be
forsake shockwave as well, become one with truly transcendant non-utility and take 30s troar cdr
final radish
augury or other one tank trinket ?
terse spoke
Hey im gona start playing prot war for first time ive read guides but i was wondering if you can give me some pointers!
pallid quiver
time and time again do you have absolutely obscene singular abilities on mobs th...
I feel like it's 100% intentionally done to "test a tank's overall skillset" or some jazz in order to try and spice up the gameplay or something
grizzled nova
Hey im gona start playing prot war for first time ive read guides but i was wond...
There are very few circumstances where sending things on cd isn't the right answer.
pallid quiver
Hey im gona start playing prot war for first time ive read guides but i was wond...
Keep shield block up, generate rage > spending rage, don't overcap rage
grizzled nova
If you have a dps button available and the pack isn't going to die in the next 5 seconds, press it, your whole rage economy and class flow depends on this.
terse spoke
do you often overlap ur defensive cds like last stand and shield wall?
grizzled nova
pure defensive buttons like these you can situationally hold, usually going into a multipull that will require some movement or suboptimal gcd use to get things aggrod and grouped
terse spoke
okay thank you for the tips il give it a go 😄
also where can i find good routes to follow?
pallid quiver
do you often overlap ur defensive cds like last stand and shield wall?
Overlapping defensives are generally only done when you absolute 100% know for a fact you'll need to, as each defensive on top of each other gets lesser value.
The other time to overlap is when it'll be back off CD by the time you need it again anyway, most commonly seen with spell reflect
Also, some of our defensives are used offensively, so will generally ignore this point and just be rotational
terse spoke
okay
dusk cloak
Also one of the Biggest pain points for me was the magic damage at Murozonds rise but that was during s2, it has gotten nerfed and is much better now
terse spoke
do i play around my 4set somehow or just play like normal
pallid quiver
4-set if starting out, just ignore; it pretty much rewards you for playing properly
You can optimize uses of it slightly by timing uses of IP, but it's not major enough to fuss over if you're new imo
As compared to just getting the basic flow of the class setup and running
terse spoke
yes that sound good apreciate all the help!
grizzled nova
do i play around my 4set somehow or just play like normal
pressing a whole lot of IP and tclap
pallid quiver
unless you mean T30 2p/4p
terse spoke
t31
pallid quiver
that requires an actual different talent setup
Yeah, T31 you can think of for the moment as just rewarding you for playing properly,
grizzled nova
the goal of the set is to consume as much rend/deep wounds as possible
pallid quiver
Since you'd SS when available and TC after baseline, anyhow
terse spoke
and this is the basic m+ build right?
dusk cloak
Bolster on the right side of the prot tree is no longer the play
grizzled nova
bolster not necessary anymore
pallid quiver
I'd swap the Pain and Gain point into Bounding Stride for M+, as well as Bolster is no longer used; ITF should be HR unless you've got bungo amounts of haste
terse spoke
can u send me a talent code?
pallid quiver
terse spoke
oh mb xD
grizzled nova
you'll want spell block on everbloom, rise, and tott
pallid quiver
All general builds are kept up to date by Nome in the pins
terse spoke
which point do i take away for spell block?
toxic pewter
forsake shockwave as well, become one with truly transcendant non-utility and ta...
Dude, I unironically have dropped shockwave from a few dungeons lmao but so many dps dont have stops and crap. then again havoc brings and aoe stun i have noticed
pallid quiver
Bounding Stride is of note because it can let you bypass some defensive mechanics entirely by outranging them
pallid quiver
which point do i take away for spell block?
Bolster
And Into The Fray should be Heavy Rep unless you've got a lotta haste
As in like 5.2k haste rating
grizzled nova
Dude, I unironically have dropped shockwave from a few dungeons lmao but so many...
it's such a massive dps loss to take shockwave with t31
giga feelsbad
timber nest
@terse spoke if you’re in low keys disrupting shout is pretty good. It taunts and interrupts everything around you.
plush tendon
it's such a massive dps loss to take shockwave with t31
they need to move shockwave in the warrior tree
put it higher up
toxic pewter
make it baseline 😄
terse spoke
oh okay, so then i take a point from bloodborne?
plush tendon
and then put ancient afterschock there
terse spoke
is bloodborne my play point?
dusk cloak
Base(d)line
terse spoke
for spell block and disrupting
timber nest
@terse spoke I take it from battering ram, the shield charge on the right side.
pallid quiver
<@207190444507922433> I take it from battering ram, the shield charge on the rig...
wat
timber nest
I said what I said
grizzled nova
they need to move shockwave in the warrior tree
fr but it's basically our only good utility which makes it feel a little inting to not take
but my dps
timber nest
Battering ram is like 20% auto atk damage and some crit dmg on shield charge.
pallid quiver
is bloodborne my play point?
You shouldn't be looking at bloodborne at all unless you're doing trivial content
timber nest
I’d rather AOE Interrupt
terse spoke
that is the build in pins
pallid quiver
It's not a particular major DPS increase in comparison to the survival loss, even if it's better than it has been due to current tier
plush tendon
fr but it's basically our only good utility which makes it feel a little inting ...
to me its just in a awkward spot; the other tree choices on that row are all dps options
and then shockwave is there like the odd step child
pallid quiver
that is, in fact, the build for trivial keys
grizzled nova
Battering ram is like 20% auto atk damage and some crit dmg on shield charge.
it's 20% autoattack speed, which is huge amount of rage
timber nest
I’m doing 20-23s right now and rage is never a problem
terse spoke
oh okay i took the weekly
mighty valley
attack speed is more ss resets
pallid quiver
Yeah, the weekly key build is meant for doing keys at a level that are relatively trivial to your skill level, eg just hitting them for the weekly
mighty valley
and more rage is always more better
terse spoke
oh xD
grizzled nova
to me its just in a awkward spot; the other tree choices on that row are all dps...
yeah I want shockwave baselined, knock up instead of stun so it's in a less crowded dr category, put rumbling earth where shockwave talent is now
terse spoke
and if i want disrupting with push build i take away what?
grizzled nova
warrior needs it badly
pallid quiver
That's at a different point for every player, though the general assumption for most people who come here is that level will eventually be 20s, since most people who decide to actually dig deep into performance as a tank spec will go harder than most
strong forum
you wont run into scenarios where rage is a "problem" but more is always better
final radish
what should i do for emblshment and item craft ? make a hast leg ? and a shadowflame ?
or 2 shadowflame ?
pallid quiver
and if i want disrupting with push build i take away what?
You can only really give up either Bloodsurge or swap TL over, but neither are particularly optimal for a talent point that's usually quite minor.
It's like spending a talent point on a 2nd pummel on a 1.5 min CD
pallid quiver
Our spec tree is really good, so it's very difficult to move points around just because some talents are so good
median tulip
yeah I want shockwave baselined, knock up instead of stun so it's in a less crow...
IMO Avatar is in the wrong place. It should be centrally located in the 8+ section, similar to where Paladin has it's major cooldown
pallid quiver
The class tree has a bit more freedom, though the bottom third is very packed
grizzled nova
You shouldn't be looking at bloodborne at all unless you're doing trivial conten...
bloodborne is honestly only a little bit of a meme, in places where you don't need spell block it's a worth option that does a lot of damage
median tulip
We basically have no choices in the final section of the class tree because Avatar is mandatory, our Tier set works on Thunderous Roar, and we have to have the weapon talent
toxic pewter
if you dont need spell block which is better though 1 point in bloodborne or 1 point in bloodsurge
strong forum
bloodsurge in general in m+
strong forum
bloodsurge is 7-12% rage gen
median tulip
Bring back banner
plush tendon
banner would be cool if it gave you your faction/race banner!
final radish
any specefic dungeon for spell block ?
plush tendon
like imagine playing a dwarf and you pop banner and you see the Hammer!
or a Orc with the OG Horde symbol
median tulip
I want my guild symbol on banner
pallid quiver
any specefic dungeon for spell block ?
Almost all except AD and... Waycrest, probably? iirc
pallid quiver
Even in those dungeons, you can still get use out of it
plush tendon
^ this could be us with banner
pallid quiver
So I just kinda keep it on at all times because I cannot be bothered to swap it off on keys relevant to my skill level
grizzled nova
ALSO let intervene redirect spells so you can intervene reflect stuff, which would be actual warrior specific utility
plush tendon
I want my guild symbol on banner
that to! all about options!
would look amazing!
even for just silly RP stuff
uneven mason
like imagine playing a dwarf and you pop banner and you see the Hammer!
Pop banner and it displays whatever tabard you're wearing
uneven mason
ALSO let intervene redirect spells so you can intervene reflect stuff, which wou...
Original intervene let you do that
uneven mason
Skull banner
grizzled nova
do all the options above as glyphs ez
uneven mason
Or you mean the original crap in sland
undone verge
yeah
pallid quiver
they won't give skull banner back
undone verge
conq banner
undone verge
banner feels bad with low haste imo, its just not satisfying for keys when you have a bad group and they have to stop in between every pull to res some random dps that died to spitefull and banner falls off, but when you can get a minute duration its giga fun
plush tendon
idc what the banner does at this stage; all I want is for my character to be able to use a ability that pulls out a banner
cause it would look cool and thematic
what it should do from a tuning perspective is a whole other topic for me
but I do think it should give a party buff of somesort while its out
like, come on, your boi just pulled out a flag! Get hyped!
grizzled nova
Original intervene let you do that
yeh I just want it back then
toxic pewter
kinda wild how many iterations of possible new utility they worked on during df beta for us only to give us nothing
undone verge
I want a tier set that works with rally, like 2 set is offensive then 4 set is rally cdr reduce or buff increase but blizz will never do that cause it makes warriors too valuable in raid
plush tendon
I want a tier set where I can sacrifice the lowest dps in my raid to improve morale
grizzled nova
I just don't understand Blizzard being okay with the utter derth of utility warrior has. Ppala can bres, sac, bop, bosw, freedom, cleanse, lay and wog offhealing, and infinity kicks while being just as tanked as warrior and doing just as much dps as warrior. And pwar has... rally and spell reflect.
undone verge
"but but but spell reflect most broken ability" or something like that
plush tendon
I mean, thats been a thing since like classic
Paladins brought so much util and warriors didnt
undone verge
at least we're not as bad as demon hunters
uneven mason
I want our WOD safeguard (I can't remember if this was the actual name)
It was a nice bit of utility
The 15% DR on a target
plush tendon
I did like the conduit in SL that let you intervene someone and give them DR
that was cool
tardy lily
hey guys... so I know PWar has like a huge amount of APM, but I feel like I am almost constantly raged capped this season. Is the play currently to just macro IP to stuff and constantly spam it?
Additionally, i dont sget how spell block works fully... it works on ly on targetable spells and not targetted aoes?
plush tendon
hey guys... so I know PWar has like a huge amount of APM, but I feel like I am a...
you are going to have lots of rage; gotta spend it quick, though I wouldnt macro IP to abilities. IP is off the GCD! for questions about spell block and spell reflect, check the excel spreadsheet in the pins to see where it works
grizzled nova
"but but but spell reflect most broken ability" or something like that
when it's good it's great, but 99% of the time it's just a rotational magic dr we need to be on even footing, the actual utility use cases are far too few
uneven mason
Yeah I actually think it was called vanguard, I can't remember but we abused the crap out of it in mythic BRF
I was fury then (and then resto shaman)
tardy lily
thanks just checking it out rn
uneven mason
Being a healer in that tier when I had a druid and disc as my Co healers though
I'd only orange parse when one of them died
sick sentinel
oooh new tendies stuff
undone verge
trading post is trash this month
uneven mason
trading post is trash this month
Going to be rocking that hammer
real fossil
I want our WOD safeguard (I can't remember if this was the actual name)
safeguard is definitely #1 on my list of ways to improve warrior utility
and make fun gameplay
sick sentinel
jagged blade
trading post is trash this month
The helmet is gas doe
real fossil
and uncapping intimidating shout, because 1 time it messing up is enough
sick sentinel
this tendies event is now good
it has a good shield model
this is like fucking exactly what i want out of a shield
sick sentinel
precisley exactly his so fucking much
just a big metal thing with leather around it kinda battle worn weather worn
LOL i see what u mean now
i want this offhand for my healers that use offhands, like priest mostly
sick sentinel
didnt vigilance used to be like a long buff
in like wrath like a few minutes or more
uneven mason
Yes
In wotlk it gave you 10% of your targets threat and reset taunt if they get attacked
sick sentinel
thats how i remember it being used was never used on me they only talked about, oh, we have to have this warrior because he has vigilance so he goes in X group
some crap like that
real fossil
the 4 sets in cata was applying your defensive at 50% effect to the group or something
which was broken
uneven mason
You use it on your other tank
uneven mason
the 4 sets in cata was applying your defensive at 50% effect to the group or som...
No plz
real fossil
yeah thats bad, i want an external cooldown i can use on one person who is dumb and/or a hunter
uneven mason
They literally gave us that in DF beta and we begged it to be removed
real fossil
safeguard is thematically also very protwarrior so on lore alone they should just add it
uneven mason
When you have a talent like that they tend to balance you around it
But yeah safeguard makes sense
As does vigilance
But group swall noooo
grizzled nova
lemme have shockwave without inting damage and make intervene into something useful and I'll call it good
real fossil
my m+ group just sees me as a budget dh without silence sigil
grizzled nova
true we're basically dh without two 10 second aoe silences or 4 aoe stops
sick sentinel
my m+ group just sees me as a budget dh without silence sigil
well, they are wrong lol
real fossil
the way this meta is shaking out i'm not so sure it's that wrong. We just lack aoe stops comparatively
real fossil
there are many ways you could get another aoe stop with the current tree. losing thunderlord is lame tho
grizzled nova
there are many ways you *could* get another aoe stop with the current tree. losi...
disrupting shout is a fake stop that only works on casts that can be interrupted and only if they're interrupted
uneven mason
Big IQ idea, make disrupting baseline part of challenging and put cdr attached to thunderclap for challenging
real fossil
what if we change its name to "mini knock up shout" ??????
hire me blizz
its like scooby doo where we roar and theyd get scared and jump up. very class fantasy
grizzled nova
disrupting shout is in every conceivable way a worse silence sigil that has a higher opportunity cost to take, intimidating shout is in every conceivable way a worse misery sigil that has a higher opporunity cost to take, shockwave is a worse aoe chaos nova with a massively higher opporunity cost to take.
uneven mason
its like scooby doo where we roar and theyd get scared and jump up. very class f...
Give me back roars knockdown
sick sentinel
i can get the 1 hand axe in wm if i spec fury right? im targeting the haste versa ring
grizzled nova
and the opportunity cost is I think the most egregious part of the equation as it exists because despite the derth of utility, we're only middle of the road for dps
and we have to dip into more dps than others to get what meagre utility is available
toxic pewter
we bring somethin a vdh dont
sick sentinel
personally if it wasnt this itd be bdk or paladin something
maybe rogue
maybe shaman
toxic pewter
i can get the 1 hand axe in wm if i spec fury right? im targeting the haste vers...
yes you definitely can get 1h weapon in fury loot spec yes
grizzled nova
i can get the 1 hand axe in wm if i spec fury right? im targeting the haste vers...
can always check what drops for what specs in the dungeon journal as well
grizzled nova
versa or crit ?
crit is usually slightly more dps in sims, but in m+ your dtps is generally way higher than a sim so probably slightly lower/same as vers in practice
toxic pewter
I generally lean toward vers its just so stable
humble island
I always vers in keys