protection

[light dune]

French Canadians aren't european

They are canadian

[sick sentinel]

yeah,

only really plan to do KSM and then im gunna go do something else till 11.0 probably

cant really post about keys issues cuz it either gets buried or i should know better anyways

90% of problems result in > post log > log posted > didnt do enough casts of whatever, probably ss/sb, revenge > do better yogi

[ionic fern]

Learn from it then.

[blazing condor]

yes

[sick sentinel]

and we also had that conversation a billion times, i feel like that dialouge tree has fully exhausted the branches

[ionic fern]

I also see no point in you posting logs doing the same mistakes over and over again if you refuse to learn from the feedback that has been given to you countless times.

[opaque quest]

Thats like saying americans arent europeans. Im mean sure they have a different name but most of them are still from europe :> I get your point tho

[light dune]

Well Americans aren't european

They are american

Different culture

[sick sentinel]

try to improve i guess, ya, im just not good at the game, don't like to think about it, don't like to talk about it

any time i feel that way in a game like i cant ever improve i just want to turn it off stop

[opaque quest]

Put your buttons in the order you want to press them

I did that for FFXIV when i was new and had no idea what to do

Helped me greatly

[vocal flame]

Good morning! I know we sim but are we keeping lower ilevel crafted gear because it has the shadow flame on it? Removing it mostly only decreases dps by like 1-2k. Really that much of a difference?

[blazing condor]

depends on how much lower the ilvl is. there's gonna be a cut-off somewhere where its not worth anymore

but if its a smaller ilvl decrease then shadowflame is ognna be better

[vocal flame]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I don’t think it’ll make much of a difference unless it’s 15+ maybe. I’ll keep simming. Thank you!

[blazing condor]

in the council fight i know there's certain down-time on the bear where you can move him without him doing his frontal. Do ppl know how often this is? after every 2nd charge?

[uneven mason]

On HC this is correct, idk about mythic

[blazing condor]

thanks

[uneven mason]

Rather, every 4 casts of the frontal, I found you just move to where you need him while he's coming back from the charge

Since he desyncs the charges and frontal at times

Due to the frontal being off CD but he can be traveling

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what i figured

[teal swift]

No

Not even close

France people are pog

Quebec people are strangely abrasive

[uneven mason]

Also the frontal starts more than halfway through his hotbox, as I got murdered by it as arms on pull last night

[opaque quest]

Is that why nobody wants to have french ppl in their teams?^^

[teal swift]

Online, it all meshes together because of common interest

But having worked with many Frenchies from quebec

They are just oddly abrasive

I think it's a culture clash or something.

[opaque quest]

Same with EU french ppl then. None of the people i know wants to play with them. I had one in my flist for the last 6 months too until it turned out hes a lying piece of garbage

[teal swift]

The non gamer normies are using sandpaper as tissue paper.

[uneven mason]

No, qubecese isn't french french, it's a lot of slang and they scrunch up their noses if you speak proper french, it's like hillbilly yokles in the US, yeah it's kinda English but not really

[opaque quest]

Got it. Just heard they are loud and obnoxious and the EU ones are too

And we germans like stereotyping ppl

[teal swift]

As someone from NA, I only get to interact with EU French people selectively. I already feel awkward basically discussing an entire province of people.

[uneven mason]

Quebec people just want to have all of the benefits of being Canadian without paying the taxes, and being language fascists

[teal swift]

So I don't wanna write them off. But my experiences online aren't so bad. Irl though, it's been misery.

[teal swift]

What % voted to leave canada

It's a growing number, idr tho

[opaque quest]

Well as someone playing on EUW i have them in my LoL/Hots/CS games and so on and they are just as loud as russians but with the added bonus of thinking they are the best of the best

[teal swift]

But they wanted to leave Canada, and not pay off their portion of debt

[opaque quest]

Russians only tell you youre a sheep because you listen to the media but thats fine

[uneven mason]

They'd know

[opaque quest]

Leaving something works. Look at the EU and great britain. Worked so good that they desperately want back in lol

[teal swift]

Brexit was a shitshow

Quexit please

Like please

[opaque quest]

Quexit sounds funnier too. I'd vote yes

@sick sentinel is canadian

[opaque quest]

Yogi what are your thoughts on a quexit

[opaque quest]

[teal swift]

To be fair, ice met plenty of assholes from Vancouver and Toronto as well.

[uneven mason]

But I mean my wife is from Montreal so....
My wife is from Montreal

[teal swift]

French women are hot tho

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[uneven mason]

Just don't marry one

[opaque quest]

There are assholes every. There are just some places where the ratio is skewed

[teal swift]

I'll go to Richmond bc and find me a wife that can cook me top tier mapo tofu

[opaque quest]

So youre a weeb AND a vegetarian?

No wife for you. Only a body pillow

[uneven mason]

Probably vapes and wears skinny jeans as well

[sick sentinel]

sorry

i am now programmed to only talk about boring ass protection warrior stuff

qeubec not found, leads to, mods getting mad

beep beep boop boop im a robot npc

[teal swift]

Fuck no

I ate like 500g of bacon last night for dinner

But you're dumb if you can't enjoy other delicious food

Like mapo tofu

[opaque quest]

I enjoy other food. Just not tofu. Im a german i like potatoes lmao

[teal swift]

Tofu has its place in some food

[opaque quest]

It has its place in the trash bin

[teal swift]

Tbf a good mapo tofu prolly 82038 too spicy for tou

Also I eat more tofu rn than ever before

It's really cheap

Eggs and tofu have kinda taken over a lot of my protein budget

Because chicken pork fish and beef

Cost so damn much rn

[opaque quest]

Our inflation is going back down again. We had 15% or so max now we are back to 5% and i dont need to decide between toilet paper and food anymore

[teal swift]

Yeah bro Canada inflation is fucked

[opaque quest]

I cant afford all the fish i ate before either tho. Fish is still fucked. Especially alaska salmon

[teal swift]

My 4 main sources of "meat"

1. Frozen shrimp
2. Eggs
3. Tofu
4. Canned tuna

Don't judge me bro

Disability pays me $1410.50 a month

[opaque quest]

Depending on rent thats pretty good

[teal swift]

Rent is expensive even living with the parents

It's not lol

We live in shittiest area of town

And have one of cheapest places cause we've been here for 20 years

It's like $1300 a month in rent

Utilities and Internet not included

[opaque quest]

God damn thats alot then ye

[teal swift]

Yep

I pay $650 a month for rent, and phone and utilities,

Because I live at home

[opaque quest]

Ive been living in the same house for 10 years with just my wifey and the kids that came over the years but even we rented out the bottom floor so we can afford to live

[teal swift]

I'm praying that someone dies and gives us like 250k inheritance

[sick sentinel]

well everyone lives at ho me

[teal swift]

So I can get a house

[opaque quest]

Shut up yogi ahaha

[teal swift]

And have a mortgage rather than rent

[sick sentinel]

probably no lmao

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-knife-gif-22250364

^

[vocal flame]

1500 here for a one bedroom

[teal swift]

Where is that

[vocal flame]

NY

[teal swift]

Ah, makes sense

It's fucking brutal bro

[sick sentinel]

home is where the heat is after all

[teal swift]

Need 27 roommates just to afford a steak

[sick sentinel]

even if thats in a 1995 buick

[teal swift]

Home is where my cats are

[opaque quest]

[vocal flame]

I can't have cats 😦

[teal swift]

We couldn't either.

[sick sentinel]

i garunteed there is at least 1 wow guy been playing from his van from 20 years

[opaque quest]

Im still fighting with mine over the bandage staying on every day. Sometimes thrice cause he gets it off

[teal swift]

I strong armed landlord with threatening to dispute any and all eviction notices in court, and to not pay a penny in rent during the process

Result

[vocal flame]

Cute!

[teal swift]

Also said he can keep the damage deposit

[vocal flame]

Depends on what your local regulations are.

[teal swift]

But it was damage deposit from like 2003

[vocal flame]

Its actually really hard for them to keep it in NY

[teal swift]

I just don't care

I wanted cat

Mental health cat

[teal swift]

Love

[vocal flame]

ooooo yeah

that is a great way to do that. Hotels cant charge you extra either

[opaque quest]

Sometimes

[teal swift]

I take better care of my cat than me

[opaque quest]

Same

[teal swift]

If I have to choose between my food and cat food

[opaque quest]

Before he goes hungry i will

[teal swift]

I eat ramen she eats salmon

[opaque quest]

It is what it is lol

[teal swift]

Yeah, I'm too lazy to go to doctor

Or get blood work

My cat gets her vet visit

[opaque quest]

I havent been in years. Dw. Youre not missing out

[teal swift]

Every time

[opaque quest]

Apart from the dentist

[teal swift]

Dentist here is hard

[opaque quest]

And corona vax

[teal swift]

It's all out of pocket

[opaque quest]

God damn

[teal swift]

Free medical not free dental

So if it gets bad

You wait for it to almost kill you

[opaque quest]

I had my whole upper and lower jaw redone and paid zero

[teal swift]

Then hospital deals with it under medical

(hospitals have oral surgeons on staff)

[opaque quest]

Cause my teeth were grinded down from me grinding all night

[teal swift]

Yeah during rona

I was in ER 3+ times

With a tennis ball sized absess

3rd time they was like, yeah your airway is fucked

Let's get you some surgery

[opaque quest]

Did you catch the rona or was it smth different?

[teal swift]

Dental absess

[opaque quest]

Oh damn

[teal swift]

From lack of preventative care

Broken tooth

Over months lmao

[plush tendon]

gotta go the dentist my dudes

[opaque quest]

I feel that. Had one broken too. Didnt notice. Gums grew over it until it 1 day swole up so badly i looked like i had a stroke

[teal swift]

It's very expensice

If it was free, I would have

It became free when I was going to die

So hospital has to deal with it

[plush tendon]

I feel that... I had to get a root canal, and a crown lengthening this summer cause I chipped a tooth in the wrong way

[opaque quest]

Does canada not have a dental healthcare "flatrate"?

[teal swift]

No

There's some charity places

But dental just fucking $$$$$

[opaque quest]

I thought Canada is like Europe wtf

[teal swift]

My dentist that I have now, only does extractions and fillings

[teal swift]

Dental is left behind

[plush tendon]

Canada is America lite

[teal swift]

Medical is great

Dental is a dumpster fire

[sick sentinel]

this is some fantastic on topic prot warrior discussion we are having

[teal swift]

I have a meme for this

This is a Canadian politician. Jagmeet Singh

[opaque quest]

Prot warriors have teeth too

[plush tendon]

healthy teeth lead to healthy parses!

[teal swift]

Even our vulpera have teeth

[plush tendon]

its why I keep dental floss by my desk; get a little cleaning action while waiting in que or for my group to form

[teal swift]

Protip, if your dental hygiene sucks, and let's be real we are in a wow discord, some of you prolly have bad dental hygiene.

Rinse salt water once a day

It'll actually help a lot.

[opaque quest]

Or just buy real mouth wash. Costs almost nothing. It doesnt replace brushing but it helps if you brush wrong/not long enough/often enough

[teal swift]

Huge Diminishing returns with dental care tasks, but just salt water alone will make a huuuuge difference

[teal swift]

Mouthwash doesn't actually do anything more than salt water

Unless you get the good prescription shit

[opaque quest]

It does. It doesnt make my mouth tingly for 8 hours

[plush tendon]

minty breath 🙂

[teal swift]

Truuuuu

Minty salt alcohol water

But yeah something is better than nothing

[plush tendon]

I also use Biotene

cause I wake up with dry mouth

[opaque quest]

I am using the sensodyne sensitive stuff and its so hot it burns my fkn mouth. Smells good tho

[plush tendon]

and its pretty good

[teal swift]

Peridex prolly #1

Chlorhexidine

Good luck getting a prescription tho

[opaque quest]

With my fucked grinded down teeth ill prolly get w/e i want

Until they are all reconstructed at least

[teal swift]

Yeah shit works well

Antiseptic

[waxen frigate]

I have that

From when I had gingivitis like a year ago

[teal swift]

Yeah, it's just good prescription mouthwash, it's a lot more effective than Listerine.

[uneven mason]

Not many

[opaque quest]

Thats funny. Cause is it a few warriors that still have teeth or does every warrior only have a few

New cables done. Woop

Might have to buy the 16 pin for GPU too cause its looking pretty good

[restive scroll]

Indeed, I didn't expect (A?)RGB to look this good on PSU cable :O

[opaque quest]

Me neither. I only bought them cause my sleeves are dying. Last one over is the 8 pin CPU

[weary saddle]

Protwar channel has turned into dentistry channel. Never fails to surprise me!

[opaque quest]

Pretty sure it wont be long until we figured out how to split the atom

[uneven mason]

No one asking questions, we digress

[pallid quiver]

when will we change it to no one asking questions, we fist fight

[uneven mason]

That's the classic discord

"Fight Club"

[pallid quiver]

I always feel something every time a Shaman or H Pal Earth Shields/Beacons me

like damn, boss, do you really have that little faith in me

[uneven mason]

Shaman can ES two targets iirc

[pallid quiver]

Themselves and someone else

problem is, I don't take as much damage as a dps does

[uneven mason]

Let's face it, if a DPS gets hit by something they just die

Can't heal dead

[novel temple]

I identify as a dps with a shield

[pallid quiver]

earth shield also has a damage reduction component, and it helps heal through pulsing aoe

this is also raid, so most damage coming out is DPS livable

[novel temple]

Like Blue DPS and Green DPS in FF14

[uneven mason]

Oh lol

[lusty tiger]

Sick

[uneven mason]

It's a healing bonus not DR

[lusty tiger]

Earth shield has 6% dr now

[uneven mason]

Waat

[lusty tiger]

Like a 10.0.7 change

Iirc

[uneven mason]

Best healer just got besterer

[lusty tiger]

Hah

[uneven mason]

Haven't played my shaman much this xpac

[pallid quiver]

he beat me to it

[uneven mason]

Been focusing on the warrior

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, it has a 6% DR attached to it now, in addition to the heal on hit and healing increase

[uneven mason]

Can't divide by zero

Warrior damag intake can't be reduced any farther!

[median tulip]

We do occasionally take damage

[pallid quiver]

I've got like a 30 ilvl higher shield than I did last time I was here, and it didn't hurt last time.

being able to deflect part of the damage of Fyrakk's mark does wonders

[idle cipher]

hi is that trinket good for us Ouroboreal Necklet ?

[median tulip]

It's a neck, not a trinket

[idle cipher]

yes mb

[median tulip]

and do you do nature and fire damage?

[idle cipher]

dont think so

but wasnt sure

[karmic plinth]

shadowflame patch can proc it

[idle cipher]

ive got fyrak weapon

and shadowflame patch aswell

[karmic plinth]

but its not worth focusing over a better statted neck

[soft flower]

shadowflame patch and if you would want to, the corruption flask thing procs it too cause damaging yourself with that counts i heard

[idle cipher]

mine is trash so might be ok before a better one ?

[median tulip]

Shocking Disclosure might work too

[sick sentinel]

does the new toxic healing potion share cd with healing or offensive

[grizzled nova]

healing potion

[sick sentinel]

i mostly really only use healing potions cuz i know im bad and i dont line up my dmg potions correctly

[opaque quest]

❤️

[sick sentinel]

i could macro everything, but im not a coder at all

no desire to learn

[opaque quest]

I only have 1 or 2 macros. Dont worry to much about stuff like that

[lusty tiger]

Bro macros are ez

[opaque quest]

Most macros are

#showtooltip

/cast

[sick sentinel]

yeah well, once it goes beyond even just that

[grizzled nova]

in keys just get some shocking disclosures and use them for aggro purposes on weird split pulls

they're cheap

[opaque quest]

Or /cast @Position blabla

[sick sentinel]

it gets screwy

[lusty tiger]

Not for macroing a damage potion

[opaque quest]

I dont think you NEED a single macro even for high keys

As long as you have enough hotkeys

[uneven mason]

Don't consider the effects when considering that neck, it's RNG and honestly a useless amount of absorb compared to everything else we have

[sick sentinel]

well like okay

[grizzled nova]

I think the only two macros I use on pwar are [@cursor] macros for ravager and leap

[sick sentinel]

2 seperate macros for master hammer to all slots

[opaque quest]

Lots of macros are all just /cast then /use XXX set and forget

[sick sentinel]

it doesnt do all of them correctly on 1 macro some rason

[idle cipher]

ty for your answer i'll wait a better one then

[uneven mason]

Live footage of someone playing BRM

[opaque quest]

Na BRM is easy

[sick sentinel]

i tried about 10 times to make the macro work 1 macro masters hammer

[lusty tiger]

[grizzled nova]

the two highest apm specs by a wide margin are pwar and ppala

[opaque quest]

I thought the same but BRM is actually pretty ez instead of pressing 3 buttons in order you press 9 but who cares lol

[opaque quest]

No even close. Have you seen storm enh?

[uneven mason]

BRM has notorious button bloat

[grizzled nova]

Yes and it isn't close.

[plush tendon]

Brew needs less buttons

[grizzled nova]

Pwar and ppala are both over 90 apm, next highest class is 70ish.

[plush tendon]

baaaad

[uneven mason]

Like there's high APM and then there's 30hotkeys

[opaque quest]

lmao ok. Storm has infinite resets with reduced GCD but warr without has higher APM?^^

[uneven mason]

Because of ip

[opaque quest]

Thats fair i guess

[grizzled nova]

yeah I mean it's ip and sotr driving it

but nonetheless

[opaque quest]

I forgot that SOTR and IP are off the GCD cause i just press them mindlessly with something else anyways

[uneven mason]

I just can't play BRM because I ran out of space on my hex v2

[opaque quest]

Sure its 2 buttons but its still only 1 click for 2 fingies

[opaque quest]

You got alt shift and ctrl as modifiers

I use a 2 extra button Shooter mouse and have enough buttons. You can also bind mouse wheel up and down + modifiers

[uneven mason]

Yup, which is why APM is a bad measure of complexity, sure warriors have APM but it's mostly 4 buttons

[uneven mason]

I use them, still too many

[opaque quest]

You can combine those modifiers too :>

Oh and alt

[lusty tiger]

2 in the fingie 1 in the spellbush

[opaque quest]

My mouse prolly has 15 hotkeys assigned to it with only 4 buttons and the wheel

[plush tendon]

its why I really like VDH

has very few buttons

but it feels like it has such a strong kit

[lusty tiger]

Just carpet bomb the mobs with sigils

[opaque quest]

Leap carpet bomb ??? profit

I dont think brew is complex either tho. Like i said instead of pressing 3 buttons you press 9. You still got a priority list and stuff

No thought behind it

You just need more hotkeys. Once you get muscle memory for those its the same as any other tank

[grizzled nova]

Complexity I would say is managing resources to line up desirable conditions for damage when the correct abilities become available, pwar does this well with a low button count through tier and violent outburst.

[plush tendon]

in reality with enough time, every spec is learnable

[grizzled nova]

Brew and enh I don't think do it as well, mostly just press button when off cd and/or at max stacks on thing.

Despite having more buttons.

[plush tendon]

but i get immediately turned off by trying to keybind my brewmaster and then just log into something else

[opaque quest]

The only slightly complex build i'd say is unholy. Its still easy but you gotta manage 9 CDs your pet transformation AND 2 different resources that work off of each other

[opaque quest]

enh doesnt have more buttons. Just more resets. Still and ez specc defo

[plush tendon]

eh, unholy aint that hard

[opaque quest]

Ofc not

Has more mechanics than other classes tho

Which might make it harder for some

Oh you also gotta manage festermight which no one does. Ever

[uneven mason]

This

[opaque quest]

I started by binding the most important shit. After than its only like 10 things you barely use anyways

[lusty tiger]

I used to play hunter and shaman in arenas

So I have many many keybind

3 rows of 12 worth

[opaque quest]

I played BM in MoP with lynx rush and cast sequence macro oneshotting ppl with 1 button

[lusty tiger]

WTF

[opaque quest]

Lynx rush was the reason cast sequence was removed from the game

[uneven mason]

Lesson wasn't learned after they disabled superscript macros

Anyone remember the subt rogue vanilla 1 button macro

[opaque quest]

Did any dps use more than 1 button in vanilla?

I played fury i dont remember. Maybe 2

[uneven mason]

It had conditional checks for poison, weapon swaps, bsckstab CDs

[lusty tiger]

BT, ww, hs, sunder

[uneven mason]

I mean it was one button that did everything

[pallid quiver]

I thought Vanilla rotations were 1 button without macros

[opaque quest]

Insane lol

[lusty tiger]

Basically scripting your character play lol

[uneven mason]

Fuck sunder, that's the tanks job

[opaque quest]

^

[lusty tiger]

Sunder is op in vanilla

[uneven mason]

Or the rogues job

[lusty tiger]

Ideally, all 6-10 warriors sunder first gcd on skull

And it reduces 100% of the mobs armor

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[lusty tiger]

Which makes tank threat better and rage gen better

That’s how the speedrun guilds do it

[uneven mason]

Like, vanilla was super simple, 4 buttons but we found ways to make it complex

[opaque quest]

Hardest part in Vanilla was getting 40 ppl in front of their garbage PCs connected to the internet

[median tulip]

Fucking 40 man Ahn'quirj

[uneven mason]

Like did you know each weapon was an individual source for buffs

[lusty tiger]

One of the most fun raids to farm

[opaque quest]

idk. The fact that HC guilds can clear entire raids without anybody dying while CLICKING their 1 button says everything

I was a kid 20 years ago but man was vanilla to Cata boring

[lusty tiger]

Idk how many people are still clicking lol

[opaque quest]

Looking at classic footage the majority

[lusty tiger]

Yea doing a 35 minute raid in 4 hours is in fact boring

[uneven mason]

So you could have 3 arcanite champions with crusader and proc over 700 extra str for 30s

[lusty tiger]

LOL

[uneven mason]

Yeah

That why weapon swaps have a gcd now

[pallid quiver]

Warriors being the master of arms over there

[opaque quest]

I spent all my birthday money for an arcanite ripper and you tell me i couldve abused shit

[lusty tiger]

To buy gold? Lol

[uneven mason]

You'd swap to the reaper after you got some procs

[opaque quest]

Ye

5k gold was expensive 20 years ago lol

[blazing condor]

Banned

[lusty tiger]

5k gold was expensive 4 years ago

[uneven mason]

I traded 100,000platinum in eq for enough to get my epic riding in wow

[opaque quest]

You dont know anything. Psht

[pallid quiver]

The old school MMO strats

[opaque quest]

I remember giving a friend 15k gold for a watch dogs key on release because 15k were worth 60€ in MOP

[plush tendon]

and then WoD came

best expansion

[uneven mason]

Blingtrons vault

[plush tendon]

for those who played through and printed money

[uneven mason]

Yo dawg I heard you like inflation with your mudflation so I put some inflation in your mud

The alt money machine

17 capped characters, that's a lot of 5000g rewards

[sick sentinel]

you know, its a dumb idea but thats all im really saying about blingtroin vault

[uneven mason]

Are we doing sleeping dog pics?

[lusty tiger]

Ur doggy is dabbed out lol

K0 instead of K9

Smokin the D8

[uneven mason]

She always sleeps with the nose under my office chair

[lusty tiger]

Aww my dog does that with my foot sometimes

[uneven mason]

Yeah true she probably thinks the chair is some strange growth out of my ass and is cuddling it

Not the Brightest pup

[lusty tiger]

It’s all the same to a doggo

[patent osprey]

Nah I don't Just because of how our tier set works now, I IP/TC very often after SS

[zealous willow]

is there a weak aura for set proc ?

[grizzled nova]

bloodborne brh 20 lmao

[restive scroll]

Check the pins, should be there

[zealous willow]

i dont see it

😦

[restive scroll]

Indeed, it's only linked in the faq

https://wago.io/0c7D0qCQT

[zealous willow]

love u

[frank obsidian]

Hello, can some1 share their protection talents for m+ with 4p tier set?

[vocal nimbus]

pings

pins

[sly hamlet]

What do u guys think about Gift of Ursine Vengeance Trinket for M+? I imagine it to be like 8s infinite rage window. Am i wrong?

[plush tendon]

from me and my co-tank testing, its feels pretty meh in M+

[sick sentinel]

most trinkets feel meh in keys

[plush tendon]

like heres a comparison between my Mythic Vol log and a 21 Atal (I know Im a BDK, but its the same for prot war)

big dam in raid

small dam in 21 Aal

[pallid quiver]

extremely funny, since it's supposed to be better in M+ because of the Str

so it increases the damage of all of your other buttons

[plush tendon]

I think its buggy

[pallid quiver]

it is

The bug hits it worse in raid

[pallid quiver]

Specifically, stacks fall off kinda at random for reasons no one understands. It still gives value, since it still stacks and the biggest portion of the trinket is the stacking strength rather than the full stack proc, but we can't really sim for it properly as a result of the bug

On average, it's passed on in raid and is usable in M+

[plush tendon]

idk; ill take a trinket doing 7% of my damage with strength main stat in raid anyday of the week

[grizzled nova]

Rezan's is better for that

Sandglass very good both for raid and m+ as well.

[urban portal]

Well it also gives defensive benefit

[plush tendon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tTFN2rBbDQ7fW984#fight=53

this is my Mythic Vol log; both me (BDK) and Prot War are using it; its doing a lot. Would I use a vault pick on it? No. But its it drops, you take it since its tank only and seems to be overpreforming in raid

[grizzled nova]

Rageheart looks disappointing in that log.

[sly hamlet]

tbh i dont care about dmg. i think about the defensive purpose when it procs, i have inifite rage from autoattacks (i do right?) and can spam ignore pain in big pulls without any othe def CDs needed.

[grizzled nova]

Vers stick only doing 5% damage

[plush tendon]

Rageheart is more of a M+ trinket anyways

and theres no way tanks are getting signet brand or the Fryakk dps trinket this early until the dps have had their turn XD

[blazing condor]

how does the main spec/off spec work for need and greed now?

if i spec into fury for loot does that count as main spec for dps items?

[plush tendon]

yea

[blazing condor]

or is it based off of my actual spec

[plush tendon]

if you are in fury loot spec and need on a shield per say, its considered offspec for that roll

[blazing condor]

[bright oyster]

Hello

How are you guys ?

[limpid ruin]

Don’t share our secret. Blizz might fix it so it’s not doing double damage in raid

[plush tendon]

[limpid ruin]

I don’t have another good raid trinket

[grizzled nova]

The weird part about signet is that it isn't even that good for most dps.

It's only bis for tanks.

and it really doesn't matter who is wearing it, it adds the same amount of damage to the raid.

May as well go to the tanks first.

[plush tendon]

explain that to a dps XD

[grizzled nova]

hilariously ember is mid for tanks and near bis for most dps

and only tank specs can loot it

[bright oyster]

I'm looking for a war prot for training me to play it

[plush tendon]

the trinket from BRH?

its basically just a vers stat stick

[grizzled nova]

Yep

[uneven mason]

Looted serpent idol Last night, lost roll on pip

[plush tendon]

dps just love raw stat

[grizzled nova]

It's 4% vers at 483

near bis if not bis for most dps

[uneven mason]

Like, a YouTube channel or streamer?

Or did you have questions

[pallid quiver]

absolutely not how it works

[uneven mason]

Wat

[sick sentinel]

i hope you guys like my trinkets

[grizzled nova]

🤮

[uneven mason]

Purple is best color

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[blazing condor]

all i ever see on this emote is someone giving sloppy to Shrek

[willow tulip]

writhing heasrth of darkness any good? got 437 zaqali what iut would replace

cant see it in bloodmallet or anything

[dusky canopy]

Got my 483 signet boys

[winged slate]

That's because it doesn't do any damage

It's a crit stat stick with no meaningful effect

[hardy snow]

[bright oyster]

Yes it is about the cycle wich cd def and which spell

[wary orbit]

Does Gholak overpoerform on sims?

[strong forum]

no

[dusky canopy]

Any know how many bosses are in a skip run?

Would it be 5 total?

[dusky canopy]

Or do you skip straight to tindral after gnarl somehow

[sick sentinel]

is it actualyl good for dh

i could log on and try to give it to him, but you know yogi and those trinkets

[lost wyvern]

does avatar CD reset after starting key?

[sleek current]

It's a great cheat death. I wouldn't give it away if it's the only one you have. You might need it.

[chilly brook]

The skip should be straight to tindral or smolderon I’d assume

[vocal flame]

how come you keep getting gear and not just 26g like me? lol

[sick sentinel]

the secret is i ran that place like a million times to get just this one

[dusky canopy]

36 runs for my might if the ocean

[restive scroll]

I'd say smolderon, but that'd be skipping only 4 boss

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

probably gunna go for the champion hour glass now

[hushed bluff]

guys is there anyway to get socket on ring that dont have it

[strong forum]

when you pick 6 coins from vault instead of an item

you can buy a socket item

[hushed bluff]

ik that but is there any item in ah to add socket ?

[jagged blade]

No

[hushed bluff]

ok ty

[strong forum]

only for necks you can buy the 3 sockets from AH

[blazing condor]

The quest text itself says ”access the firelords throne faster” or something

Dont remember

So might be to smolderon

[hushed bluff]

what the name of item

[strong forum]

tiered medallion

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xcb6V9AaMYmnXCf2#fight=last on the second boss everyone except for me and i killed it

[uneven mason]

Is there a dungeon or encounter which is giving you trouble? Like we can freely use our CD, since we're mostly preemptive with our mitigation knowledge of the encounters is important.

IMO just play until you find something that kills you during basic gameplay, next time - hit shieldwall

[uneven mason]

It lets you summon the bridge iirc

[hushed bluff]

should i buy all r3 or r1 gonna work same way

[strong forum]

r2 to get 2 sockets, r3 to get 3

do it in that order

so if your neck has 0 sockets, i just use 2x r2 and then 1x r3

[uneven mason]

R1 is always jacked in price idk why

[hushed bluff]

18% crit
34% haste
29% mastery
22% vers

is this okay or should i add more crit

[winged slate]

Rank 1 can only go from 0 -> 1

Rank 2 can do 0 -> 1, 1 -> 2

Rank 3 can do 0 -> 1, 1 -> 2, 2-> 3

Rank 2 being the cheapest, typically

[uneven mason]

But yeah that crit % makes me sad

[warm plinth]

See my nickname

[dusky canopy]

You need at least 25% vers or you’ll fall over the second you charge into melee

[sick sentinel]

i hate time ways boss

[jagged pier]

guys dont be silly u need at least 7% multistrike

[grim pilot]

minimum 60% haste

or you'll get gcd'd

the bdk experience

[jagged blade]

You need 100% vers or you'll die instantly in a +7

[dusky canopy]

Don’t forget to gem Dodge rating

[pallid quiver]

Remember to get expertise cap so you don't get a shield slam parried

[covert saffron]

Has anyone else had weird agro loss issues on Volocoross? It almost behaves like we get out of range even though both tanks are right on the edge of the lava.

[plush tendon]

damn, hes not even defense capped

[pallid quiver]

the only issue i've had is other tank not taunting properly

My best guess is that you guys might both get sorta outta range for a second from the soak knockback, but that also doesn't sound like the case

[covert saffron]

I have confirmed in logs its not a taunt issue, the threat just seems to swap for no reason. It's almost like if you get too close it gets confused and ignores the tank but I have yet to confirm that.

[pallid quiver]

If you have logs, that might also help to post

[frosty mango]

The spider boss in vault also had some jank like this stemming from range

May not be the same but just saying it’s not unprecedented

[ivory elbow]

anyone got a good weakaura for 4set?

[hardy snow]

another gnarloot kill without shield drop, but at least got hc gholak

[woven torrent]

do u guys have any good source for routes

or do u just watch streamers

[jagged pier]

w

[pallid quiver]

i press W

[winged slate]

Sometimes I press A and D in addition to W

[woven torrent]

oh

after i typed that raiderio finally updated

lel

[pallid quiver]

Almost all dungeons are fairly straight forward in terms of what you need to pull/where to go

Like, even with Atal's updated count, the only real major difference is do you go left first or right first

[woven torrent]

yea not sure which is better tbh

[pallid quiver]

Everbloom is you just go forward and hit what's on the way

[woven torrent]

ive actually been trying to do atal from 23

now its back to 21

first group died on the left side first 2 packs..

cus they werent ccing and dodging

[pallid quiver]

they're both kinda the same, but DPS are more likely to die to packs on the left

[woven torrent]

second group was my bad so now i live with the consequences

[red otter]

tbf every group Ive done that pull with also ends up dying.

Its really strange.

[warm plinth]

Wait like just the 6 mobs?

[red otter]

Yeah

[woven torrent]

....yeah

[warm plinth]

Yikes

[woven torrent]

and its fucking 2.8k people man

but i guess the dungeons this season are pretty easy

[warm plinth]

Too easy in my opinion

Considering the amount of ilevel we gain this tier, dungeons are way too easy.

[grizzled nova]

once you have enough knowledge points it is impossible to make r1

[woven torrent]

yea honestly i feel kinda invincible at 465

and i still have ~440 legs and trinket

when ill be at like 478 ill be superman

[grizzled nova]

which doesn't really matter, you can use 2 r2 and an r3, or 3 r3's.

[pallid quiver]

I haven't been really threatened by anything, but DPS and healers keep dropping like flies around me

Then again, I'm getting yelled at for losing aggro and letting the DPS get melee'd

[woven torrent]

i find that especially warlocks die a lot somehow

isnt that class basically a second tank

😠

[pallid quiver]

checks death log, sees hit by spiteful

ah yeah my bad boss i'll work on my aggro control

[woven torrent]

the only thing that fucks me up

and not sure how to control it better

are the bats in dht if they dont get one shot

but somehow i dealt like 8 million in spell reflect

one time

[pallid quiver]

They do damage, but heal the damage back

so it's pretend damage you got off

[uneven mason]

Ngl I was arms in a key and was just hitting dbts when targeted by spiteful so I could keep pumping, until the shaman thundered them behind me and I got ate

[winged slate]

Spiteful is just another mob to cleave off of :^)

[lusty tiger]

@daring marlin me when I type meowdy https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzjQba-x7ry/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

[lusty grotto]

i type meowdy too

[lusty tiger]

U https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzjQba-x7ry/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-15045137228087982783

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

10/10

[woven torrent]

can anyone tell me rq what bosses need spell block in raid?

trying it first time

[lusty grotto]

you can tell yourself with the sheet in the pins

[woven torrent]

oh

tru

mb i thought it had only dungeons

[jagged pier]

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/meowdy-howdy-cat-howdy-cat-in-a-hat-cat-in-the-ten-gallon-hat-gif-27347110

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-adorable-cat-blep-paw-play-gif-17649989

[jagged pier]

10/10

[plush tendon]

Meowdy Everbunny! Hows it Hoppin!

[sick sentinel]

tfw bricked a key

[limpid ruin]

Meowdy! It’s all hoppin good!

[sick sentinel]

im gunna send all my 3 toons into lfr

whatever does well ill continue to vault

maybe normal for warrior

[plush tendon]

[opaque quest]

Never wouldve guessed it but russians are bad in mhw too Time for WoW

[jagged blade]

What..

[sick sentinel]

sod soon man

[flat stratus]

good prot stats ?

just battle shout and howling rune as buff

[restive scroll]

Too much vers for my taste, I focus on frit way more, but that looks okay

[flat stratus]

i only played haste crit for the paste season never played vers . just this season to try it out

[restive scroll]

Depends on your content as well.
If you raid mm, parry is usullay less important than in mm+

[flat stratus]

i pretty dont have much choice as well i started gearing my war on week 2

from 455 to 473

cause literaly no one takes arms warrior on 18+

only dh

xD

[sudden olive]

hello first time trying prot, dont we have WW to make skills go aoe?

as i see shield slam main skill and its ST

[wild hemlock]

does anyone else miss necro banner

i legit havent played prot since SL and miss it

[lyric cape]

No it doesn't work like fury's whirlwind

prot whirlwind just does damage no AoE cleave like fury has

[sudden olive]

hmm, so how we maintain aggro on packs

[lyric cape]

Thunderclap Revange, dragonroar

Ravager

[sudden olive]

but roar and ravager have long CD, is tc enough to maintain aggro on small adds etc?

i only played pala as tank and it had so much aoe damage

[lyric cape]

its enough. AA and Revange leave Deepwounds. and Thunderclap leaves Rend as DoTs as well

[urban portal]

Revenge?

Are we just ignoring revenge and tc as buttons here

[sudden olive]

oh y okay, ty

like i said gonna try it first time totaly forgot about revenge Xd

[timber nest]

TC hits harder than revenge

[sudden olive]

okay, thanks guys

[noble wyvern]

Is it just me or doesnt the WA for spell reflection work?

[tired crystal]

Whats the difficulty adjustment when using Signet brand?

[vocal flame]

because of bleeds?

[grizzled nova]

because you're in avatar 65% of the time

[toxic tiger]

any tips for tanking volcoross on mythic?

the stacks are just kicking my ass

[grizzled nova]

spell block 15s before jaws

[toxic tiger]

that doesnt really help me

im dying to the auto hit stacks

[grizzled nova]

which is why you spell block 15s seconds before jaws

you can spellblock the dot, it's 15s long, spell block is 30s long, you get the most amount of coverage at the highest stacks that way

[toxic tiger]

is it up for everytime i get stacks though?

[grizzled nova]

Nope, you'll have to cycle defensives and externals for the other ones.

But if you aren't currently using spellblock it's gonna make your life a whole lot easier.

[toxic tiger]

yea, okii thank you

[small marsh]

more aoe aggro chat, if I don't hammer Revenge between TCs and I don't have shout/ravager up, I feel like i'm totally screwed for aoe threat

should I be like, cycling avatar-shout-ravager on pull with each trash pack?

If I ever have all three down I struggle enormously on threat

[toxic pewter]

you in defensive stance?

[small marsh]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

yeah there's your problem

[small marsh]

isn't it only 3% crit and 5% damage?

[toxic pewter]

?

[small marsh]

dstance vs bstance

[toxic pewter]

Are you not having aggro issues?

[small marsh]

taking 25% more damage is a colossal tradeoff

[toxic pewter]

7ish % of damage is no joke

lol

[small marsh]

that's fair

[toxic pewter]

u walking around doing 93% damage and demon hunters blasting

and u wondering why you lose aggro

[small marsh]

idk I have to deal with pubbie healers and lord have mercy the number of times I hit like 30% HP, jump out, and stay at 30% HP for like 10+ seconds

so I'm skittish about it lol

not saying you're wrong, just why I'm skittish of not using dstance

my snap threat is mostly the problem, once I'm like 5 GCDs in I'm fine

[toxic pewter]

defensive stance should be used effectively as a defensive cooldown

should not be in it constantly

unless you are pushing the forefront of highest keys perhaps

[toxic pewter]

wait you are heroic leaping out of packs and stuff?

[small marsh]

yeah

I did an Atal'dazar +16 last night where the first pack of reanimated guards and doctors, I hit ~30%, leaped out, ran, and then just kinda... waited

and waited

and waited

I had enough time that I could have fuckin bandaged myself back to full if we still had first aid

[opaque quest]

Maybe its time to swap the healer

[small marsh]

but also at that point

yeah

we booted the healer not long after and re-ran at +15

I think I'm playing too conservatively tbh, so I'll run bstance more

and just dstance like, once shit's piled up, well-threated, and getting hurt-y

[uneven mason]

Sounds like you're not pressing buttons

A 16 even at 450 shouldn't drop you if you're keeping things rolling and not standing in bad/letting casts go off

Running out will usually make you die

Grit your teeth slap CD and get some IP rolling

Since we heal from spending rage, can't rage if you run

[frozen rose]

anyone have any tips for M Council? We'll be doing it soon. Notes dont show new mechanics, only that...bossess do their ultimate together? Or something

[small marsh]

speaking of rage, I haven't figured out how to fit 130 rage cap into my M+ build and I'd really like to fit it because it's way more comfortable to use

any suggestions? I'm currently just running the wowhead M+ talent build

[grizzled nova]

honor guards put a bleed on tou that can stack, the reuse time on the ability seems to have some variance, sometime they don't stack it sometimes you'll end up with 3 stacks

the bleed hurts a lot, just be mindful in honorguard pulls and know you'll probably want to drop into dstance or use an available defensives if he stacks the bleed on you

[chilly brook]

you were having issues in AD?

[sick sentinel]

those balls on timeways suck lol

[chilly brook]

AD is like super comfy outside of Rezan bleed but you can deal with that by cycling CDs etc.

[opaque quest]

I feel like they got nerfed. Only did timeways once tho

Felt easier in M+

[sick sentinel]

you can absolutely brick a key due to totem boss or blood boss not being handled correctly

[toxic pewter]

is it true that LFR is for transmog

[opaque quest]

What else would it be for

[toxic pewter]

damn i feel like such a fool

i have not been rolling need all this time

[sick sentinel]

the balls on that boss the timeways, goes in a wierd hard to learn pattern if i want to avoid all of them

[grizzled nova]

yep, or for helm enchant stuff if you don't raid otherwise, I guess

[toxic pewter]

only do it early on to get a tier piece early in the season

[opaque quest]

Well week 1 is obv not for transmogg. I got my shoulders from there too

But week 2 is free game

[sick sentinel]

just hit need on everything really

[toxic pewter]

Ok just gonna start needing crap on lfr lol

[sick sentinel]

in a perfect world, we would hit transmog on things we wanted for transmog

however, tis just easier to get it by needing

[opaque quest]

I yoinked transmogg sword there last week even tho i had HC wep. I dont feel bad

+2 gives the same ilvl kek

[toxic pewter]

Lol thats the thing I think I just feel bad

[toxic pewter]

when you put it that way.. LOL

[sick sentinel]

that looks like unblocked melee, but thats what i died to

[opaque quest]

I mean the one thing ppl MIGHT need is a trinket or rings and i dont need them for transmogg. Every transmoggable piece can easily be gotten from +2 or even higher keys

[opaque quest]

is timeways the second boss? Youre not supposed to get dmg from the balls

[toxic pewter]

i always just run counter clockwise during those balls they easily avoidable if you go that direction

[hardy snow]

is gholak bis for dungeons too, or like forgestorm only for ST, but for dung its better soimething with haste?

[sick sentinel]

ya

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't give up stats for the effect

So it's just bis everything

[sick sentinel]

they come out at a weird timing to dodge all of them for me so far

[pallid quiver]

At normal, nothing's better

Other than higher difficulty gholaks

[sick sentinel]

like if you stick in the dark or dip into the lightzone

[coral umbra]

Tanked a 17 ever bloom last night on my new warrior

I hate that place

[sick sentinel]

it seesm tough to dodge lots of them without leap and even then you want that too if someo screw up the bomb mechanic

[hardy snow]

ye I have hc, was wondering if sword from mythic volcoross would be better

[opaque quest]

You run with them. Easy peasy

Counter clockwise iirc

[coral umbra]

How bad is the stamina trinket from ever bloom? I have that, test of strength thing from TOT and mirror

[opaque quest]

Its stamina. Its garbage

[coral umbra]

Aight

[pallid quiver]

Unless you clear mythic, you're never getting rid of that wep this season

[sick sentinel]

mnight of the ocean isnt the worst thing ever for keys but its nothing special

[hardy snow]

yea, I know I wouldnt for raid, werent sure about dungs, thanks 🙂

[bleak breach]

I think it does even better on aoe

[coral umbra]

Alright thank you. Just feels weird using two on use trinkets.

[opaque quest]

Bind both to avatar

For the memes

[coral umbra]

65% crit is spicy

[sick sentinel]

i keep forgetting how much fort witches wcm hit for lmao

[pale karma]

Is it possible to have too much haste?

[pallid quiver]

It's very possible to hit a point where getting other stats is more beneficial to you than more haste, but it's not like off just rating along you'll hit a hard cap

@lusty grotto Once you hit about here, DR starts feeling real bad for haste

[pale karma]

Ohh it’s in his name hahah!

Oops. Based on what you wrote I’m assuming that’s Bliz’s DR.

[pallid quiver]

It should be the second DR breakpoint

So about 40% off rating alone

The first DR break point's a good it lower, but doesn't usually impact things enough

It's generally best to just sim and let the compooter overlords do the funny math for you, since all defensives are pretty good defensively and relatively close

[pale karma]

I was looking at my char sheet after raid yesterday and my haste is actually right around 7100. Fifty something % which seemed like a lot. I haven’t done any simming of my char yet. Maybe I should.

I thought it was mainly for the damage and healers

It’s kinda hard to assess how I’m doing. Mechanics and staying alive is one thing but my parses are usually below average. The other tank is a DH and they’re able to do 30% more damage than me over the course of a raid fight.

[pallid quiver]

It's actually the least useful for healers since you can only properly sim for damage. Tanks sim for damage because most of our survival comes from at and just having stats

[pallid quiver]

In this case, you most likely need to revisit your rotation and ensure you're sending CDs on CD priperly

[pale karma]

I have reviewed what I should be done. I have not reviewed what I’m actually doing in logs. I’m wondering if it’s me not holding say avatar and roar for add spawns … I don’t know, little things like that can add up to huge amounts even if the guidance is to use things immediately off cd.

[sick sentinel]

does reflect still instagiv the maggot?

his infest cast

[pallid quiver]

In some cases, that may actually cost you damage for losing a cast over time. Especially for Avatar, since its CD gets reduced a lot

[pale karma]

Hm okay. Then I think my rotation is prob falling apart under stress 😅

[pallid quiver]

We can't say soecifically what's going on without a log, but that happens a lot more than people realize so that's my kneejerk guess

[sick sentinel]

yeah the only questions i will have about WM and AD is what changed lol

[coral umbra]

Would any one be interested in doing an all tank key this weekend

On NA

[sick sentinel]

i need so many more wyrm tokens and flightstone

i really do got the best trinkets of all

tempted to stick with heart of dankness if i get it hero or myth

90% uptime, more than i can say for other trinkets

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

yeah like, i can keep 3 stacks at all times by just applying bleeds and auto attacking a dummy

but its not, 90% up time, on 90% of targets

not unless stack crit, even then, im conflicted

[lusty grotto]

bad trinket still bad

[sick sentinel]

not doubting it

would be nice to quantify how bad

but like, ill equip a better trinket when i get a better trinket, fits the tank motif at least

[toxic pewter]

just got normal signet trinket from timewalking quest.. only problem is I already have a heroic one lol

oof

[unkempt violet]

excluding the cataylist convert shoulders , which dungeon offers best tanking shoulders. i dont have a cataylist option rn lol, any suggestions

[pallid quiver]

any tbh, ilvl in general's the most important stat

Otherwise, whatever sims the best with droptimizer if you want a solution tailored to you

[unkempt violet]

gotcha

[lime dust]

Question for those raiding in heroic/mythic of current tier. What is Smolderon's white melee hit dmg hitting for?

[opaque quest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GKWD2ZgYPrR8QaMA#fight=16&type=damage-taken&source=20

[balmy canyon]

Are intervened spells reflectable?

[daring marlin]

no

[sullen gust]

That would be too pog

Lowkey tho, if paladin gets all the utility under the sun, lemme reflect a lil summin summin

[timber nest]

whats the play for mythic council? do you take both stacks or the frontal, or split?

[hollow hill]

Any tips for heroic Nymue? I'm 470 and feel like i'm getting curb stomped

[pale karma]

I’m learning that fight atm. Use a defensive after you run the bomb out because there’s a nasty dot.

What’s killing you?

[orchid mural]

use a defensive on the bloom - the thing betweeen phases that gives u the safety carpet

[hollow hill]

Might just be bad luck but I feel like I'm just taking way too much damage from the boss itself when I'm tanking

I'm avoiding the lines and stuff

[pale karma]

Perhaps the flowers aren’t being soaked and healers are stressed

[hollow hill]

That could be it

My OT is a DH and it feels like he's not sweating at all lol

[orchid mural]

what is your healing parse at?

[timber nest]

@hollow hill whos your offtank?

[hollow hill]

I'm thinking it was mostly due to the flowers not being soaked. We're figuring it out, this last pull was much better

Definitely taking a lot of damage running back after the bomb but I'm rolling CD's for it now

healing parse for our last pull

The DH is my off tank

[uneven mason]

got told to pull big first pull 19 rise, I'm like uh ok

pulled big

DPS proceed to chain die

🤦‍♂️

[hollow hill]

Gotta love it

[uneven mason]

Apperntly I was expected to kick every single one of the corroding volley

ret and BM hunter didn't get a single one

yup

[lime dust]

@opaque quest thank you for that. Does anyone know the formula that calculates how much a crit block can actually block?

*The maximum amount

[uneven mason]

85%

I Mean that's the cap

but I'm not really sure we reach it atm

even with a max ilvl shield in Mythic raid or M+

so crit block would be 84.22% vs a equal level target

k values in harder content would reduce that

but it's not really something we "think" about

we block, is gud

[pale karma]

HAHA those people. Ask to pull big, I ask them are you sure, they say yes, we wipe, party disbands 🤷🏻‍♂️

[uneven mason]

I left, even after we reset and I did a 2pack pull the BM hunter and ret paladin were doing under 100k vs 10mobs

Legit 2 of hte strongest cleave specs atm and they're eating my dust

[pale karma]

BM hunter is so chill. Auto cleave.

[uneven mason]

literally did not have the damage for that dungeon

I did them a kindness by breaking it up

[pallid quiver]

Something to keep in mind is that if you taunt right as the other tank gets the bomb to run out, you still have some time in your debuff increasing your nature damage taken, so you'll get clapped without a defensive

[uneven mason]

dis

[cinder nova]

Yo

[uneven mason]

It's the same as the notorious Neltharion overlap

[cinder nova]

M Council kinda fun

[hollow hill]

Yea that for sure caught me a couple of times

thank you

[pale karma]

Good callout

[uneven mason]

the # of times where we'd have to tank swap on Neltharion and I'd have like 4 seconds left on the debuff

[hollow hill]

Yea that was always fun

[uneven mason]

I had perfected my "squeel" that I'd do on discord to let the healers know I needed an adult external

[novel temple]

Hey, does anyone know if leech heals off self damage

[uneven mason]

that is a good question

I'm not sure if theres a way to test it

[pale karma]

Shadowflame patch or Fyrakk trinket?

[uneven mason]

right but its not like "leech" tracks per source

so it'd just get dumped into the same bucket

I don't think self damage is tracked as damage done, so probably not?

[pale karma]

I’m not sure how it’s reported in logs. Presumably one line per ability?

[uneven mason]

We'd have to ask Nom, but I think its like 3 AM

wherever he is

not that has stopped him from being awake

[pale karma]

I read time is an illusion somewhere.

[uneven mason]

I'm not going to ping him and lose myaccess to the bear club

Also having the tree guy pulled in a 19 EB

[novel temple]

All of it.

There’s signet, patches, fyrakk trinket, corrupted phials/pots

I asked in the brewmaster part of the monk discord and apparently it doesn’t

Does self damage give rage though?

[dull zodiac]

does raid bots prot apl work properly for ST dmg?

for purely dmg reasons

i ran a quick sim ST, and its using revenges in execute rage , and not with a free proc

for example here

why does it use revenge

'and not execute

[urban portal]

probably free proc

if i had to guess

[dull zodiac]

it doesnt show it tho

like

[urban portal]

does it show if its free proc?

and can you link sim

[winged slate]

Did it have enough rage for execute? Was it fishing for a shield slam reset?

[dull zodiac]

here it shows 'revenge!'

the proc

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vUYRCHXrstr8xJgHHUS3zp

[urban portal]

execute is 20 rage minimum, and execute also resets rage

revenge should be strictly worse than execute

unless deep wounds are down

[dull zodiac]

ah

could it be that

deep wonds down?

[urban portal]

the only explanation is that the revenge procced between the gcds

deep wounds cant be down

[dull zodiac]

devestator?

[urban portal]

devastator puts up deep wounds

[dull zodiac]

guarantees uptime?

[urban portal]

yeah

[dull zodiac]

right

[urban portal]

i think it just procced between gcds

[dull zodiac]

ye makes sense

[urban portal]

here it says execute is ALWAYS higher than revenge

it even ignores the proc

[dull zodiac]

alrighty

thanks alot

[urban portal]

i think its just some fuckery

cant tell you whats oging on

[dull zodiac]

yea i wasnt gonna press random revenges but i found it worth sharing it is a bit strange indeed

but could be the between gcd proc thing

thanks for looking at it

[urban portal]

ok i actually see it now

so its below 20 rage

revenge procced between globals

so its the only button it can press

makes complete sense

[dull zodiac]

aaah awesome

how do u see my current rage, im not too experienced with this

[urban portal]

you dont

i just read the APL and assumed

[dull zodiac]

ah fair enough

[lime dust]

@uneven mason Thank you for the response. Does anyone know how to raise our overall block value? And why is it sometimes we fully block an attack and take no damage?

[urban portal]

block value is from your shields and talents

[lime dust]

No other way to increase it?

[urban portal]

you obviously should use the ighest ilevel shield you can and you already take the talents

no you cant

and you fully block thats a crit block

crit block caps, but after armor and IP its very little left

[lime dust]

But a crit block would only block like 84% of the attack not 100%?

[urban portal]

yeah

sometimes you parry as well

you cant FULLY block a physical hit

but you can reduce it down to negligible

[lime dust]

There has to be something that increases block value, or all of ours would be roughly the same

Mine is 43.59

463 shield

[warm plinth]

Shield ilevel, talents

[urban portal]

463 isnt even close to max ilevel

[warm plinth]

Also that number changes by target