a fucking tornado
#protection
waxen orbit
running to the seed
and got obliterated by roar
Okay it was worth
I got Gholak
bleak breach
Nice
cinder nova
Do you send rageheart in big pulls?
Just for the dps?
Or do you wanna use it defensively exclusively
glacial skiff
Is a 476 ghholack better than using a 489 weap for m+ or nah?
glacial skiff
im guessing no, but idk how valuable gholack is
timber nest
is there ever a point where you dont keep stacking haste?
opaque quest
I dont have Gholak on my Warr but my Frost DK and it does around 1 mil on a heroic boss
Its pretty good
green bronze
do we now anything about leggo yet, do we turn loot spec to arms only on last or the whole raid?
green bronze
oh, nice to hear, thank you!
cinder nova
The objective is to luck into it before your MDPS and watch them peel their faces off, savouring the agony
modern gazelle
is there a reason to craft embelish on wrists in particular?
quartz mist
modern gazelle
got myth wrists from raid with crit haste, so feel like it may be better to do diff piece
cinder nova
Crafted gear caps 3 ilvls below max.
So you want the embels for the damij
But on your lowest stat budget items
So the actual raw stats you lose is as low as possible.
modern gazelle
ah makes sense, if i got myth track wrists with crit haste though and have lower other pieces think its worth putting on something else?
and just swapping it to wrists later once im myth gear out
cinder nova
Only if you can afford juggling the crafted slot
I'm just setting it, maxing it, and mentally checking out
modern gazelle
gold isnt a big issue
cinder nova
Then yes, it's probably better, but you might be dropping tens of thousands for less than +1000 DPS
modern gazelle
alright, thanks 🙂
restive scroll
Is it normal I'm thinking of taking token vault #2 ?
(I'm probably gonna take free ilvl on belt, but still)
warm plinth
Well sounds like you shouldn't take tokens if there's an upgrade... so no
Two of my toons took tokens but I also only have 1 slot for most of my toons
prisma crane
with my Mark of Mastery, is there any reason to NOT get the pvp version of the tier?
shows the same 483 max ilvl
warm plinth
Uh... is it not the upgrade path like last season's?
Last season they were the same olevel but the pvp ones were maxed on their upgrade track and the pve ones weren't
Ilevel
prisma crane
warm plinth
Yeah doesn't seem to matter this time around
prisma crane
ALL of the pvp ones start at 1/6 but i would be getting the gloves anyways
lament zealot
Is there a haste breakpoint or cap I should care about?
prisma crane
no
warm plinth
Is there a haste breakpoint or cap I should care about?
7100 haste rating is when you'd want to seek out other stats when possible
5400 is not really a breakpoint but it's about where you can run into the fray instead of heavy repercussions
But it requires closer management of shield block
lament zealot
If I have 7100 should I drop into the fray?
warm plinth
No. Into the fray is MORE valuable with more haste, not less
warm plinth
Well before you start changing your items for different stats, you can also change enchants, gems, rune etc
lament zealot
Ofc. I'm far from good gear atm
Ilvl > all for me atm, just wondering. Thanks for your help.
warm plinth
But yeah into the fray is % haste so it's multiplicative. Makes it better the more you have
green bronze
Guys, do i take Rezans, i already have it on champion
prisma crane
yuh
sick sentinel
Guys, do i take Rezans, i already have it on champion
well u wont be replacing it most likely
delicate stream
i got this from vault 🙂 upgraded it immediately
lament zealot
This might be a stupid question but does the rank of the shadowflame patch effect the damage on the item it's crafted on in anyway?
Only the craft % chance?
jagged gust
Just the difficulty of the craft
lament zealot
Ty
royal iron
Is it worth taking Gholak, the final conflagration? I heard it's bis but the stats seem funky. It also says shadowfllame suffused
jagged pier
u take it
royal iron
The other choice worth considering is a helm with a socket
jagged pier
thats not worth it as u can put a socket in any helm later on
teal swift
Guys, do i take Rezans, i already have it on champion
Without a doubt
teal swift
Take the weapon, and pray for a shield soon so you can stop looting vault as prot
restive scroll
Yeah, that's pretty sweet
The 4p might not bring that much dps (or so i've read) but damn it is good qol
chilly brook
4pc definitely makes me feel quite a bit tankier
light dune
Vault check
echo egret
Is Frozen Devotion still the go-to enchant for M+ ?
solar dagger
why is ursine simming so high for ST but mine does about 3.5% of my overall damage where like rezans sims lower but does more
restive scroll
It's bugged apparently
solar dagger
like the sim is bugged or the trinket? becasue i know for my friend its hits were doing like 24k and mine do 13k
restive scroll
IG*
winged slate
Blizz claims they fixed it but IIRC the trinket just turns itself off
solar dagger
weird lol
winged slate
So you stack it up for 90s and then it just turns off the damage early
solar dagger
i mean my hits are just half of my friends for some reason
jagged pier
Is Frozen Devotion still the go-to enchant for M+ ?
no
jagged pier
why is ursine simming so high for ST but mine does about 3.5% of my overall dama...
it sims correctly
but its bugged so it doesnt work like that
solar dagger
but its bugged so it doesnt work like that
is it just bugged for warrior?
jagged pier
its bugged for everyone
subtle merlin
Hi - I currently have 2 piece tier. Do I take legs here despite lower ilvl and then convert an existing piece to tier to get 4pce? Sorry I'm a bit noob
jagged pier
thorny stone
Hi - I currently have 2 piece tier. Do I take legs here despite lower ilvl and ...
If you raid, wait for the reclear before picking legs
static shore
do we need to be in Arms / Fury loot spec to get a chance at weapon or prot will also show it? meaning is the chance Class based or Spec based?
I asked this in arms channel but wanted to be sure some prot lads got chance at ait
vague merlin
According to Blizzard, any spec.
jagged pier
do we need to be in Arms / Fury loot spec to get a chance at weapon or prot will...
leggo any spec
vague merlin
"Fyr’alath can be obtained with any loot specialization for Death Knights, Paladins, and Warriors by defeating Fyrakk within the heart of Amirdrassil on all difficulties"
teal swift
@jagged pier don't you love fresh new season
6900 vault questions
420 legendary questions
0 people simming
jagged gust
omg you guys should I take choice #1:[hero path upgrade I will replace in 2 weeks] or choice #2:[champ path upgrade I will replace in 2 days]
teal swift
yer its good fun espically when u dont get an upgrade on week 2 of vault
God gave us sockets
So we can at least unfuck like 4-5 vault weeks
jagged pier
yer no i took tmog
jagged pier
no
waxen orbit
Just did 24 DHT and BRH
Felt p good with 4 set
Take this with a grain of salt because there was some tomfoolery with DPS missing kicks
echo egret
6900 vault questions
420 legendary questions
0 people simming
If only there was a simple setting to sim and give you an overall M+ score
jagged pier
yer because setting patchwerk to 5 targets and change the time then unticking all the buffs is really hard to do
like super hard
echo egret
yer because setting patchwerk to 5 targets and change the time then unticking al...
How representative is it of a M+ run where you alternate big/small packs, runtime, then bosses ?
jagged pier
well on average im pulling about 4-5 mobs
at around 1-1:30 combat time
so kinda of accurate
u can also just sim for ST
because its most likely gunna be an upgrade for aoe
and if its not it wont be that much different
and u want to focus on ST more in m+ anyway for bosses etc
you guys trying and over think everything
its really kinda simple
echo egret
Mind you, sims and guides, across the whole game, make us overthink everything
Like “this small minor parameter matters” everywhere
echo egret
“it doesn’t matter that much” is far from your common line in any guide about any spec or any encounter
restive scroll
yer its good fun espically when u dont get an upgrade on week 2 of vault
Same, i feel you
jagged pier
“it doesn’t matter that much” is far from your common line in any guide about an...
what? my line in any guide?? i dont write guides?
outer solstice
btw. can we cause any nature damage as prot regarding the rare neck?
echo egret
what? my line in any guide?? i dont write guides?
It’s a figure of speech
outer solstice
already have myhtic hands, the trinket seems meh, pips and the 1hand is ony hc and the ring has no haste either,...
jagged pier
u sim
outer solstice
yeah already running, but the sim would only be a short term upgrade, and I guess it's gonna be pips for DPS specc,... long term this looks like a socket vault to me
outer solstice
I already have myhtic gloves
jagged pier
F
outer solstice
yep
teal swift
already have myhtic hands, the trinket seems meh, pips and the 1hand is ony hc a...
Or take necklace
To save crests
earnest cove
May be a dumb question: raid Loot cant drop in m+ vault, right?
earnest cove
But Not Trinkets/weapons
teal swift
Correct
earnest cove
So i am Stuck with m+ crap… jay
teal swift
Raid loot is a lot more deterministic.
earnest cove
Thanks for confirmation
earnest cove
Yes, maybe. Cant stand raiding anymore
earnest cove
Heroic Loot via timewalk it is 😄
crisp fractal
i could cry ... second vault and I'm already thinking about taking the 6 tokens....
ember token
trasmog > 6 tokens
crisp fractal
already got that 😉
jagged pier
i dunno pip or token then i guess
jagged pier
we dont do wordle anymore
quick girder
what loot spec do we need to have for Rageheart in our box?
jagged pier
prot
quick girder
thanks mate, didnt want to fuck that up haha
blazing condor
i mean yeah thats what ill take
jagged pier
true true
median tulip
Fuxakes Blizz
blazing condor
cool ring
median tulip
I guess.
drifting river
i could cry ... second vault and I'm already thinking about taking the 6 tokens....
that's a sad vault
blazing condor
coiled serpent isnt terrible
zealous willow
2x shadowflame is best embelish combo ?
blazing condor
ye
leaden sleet
so uhm, vault question i've got this . But already 4pc tier set. Should i go for the shoulders to catalise? or Pip's trinket?
i've been wanting to swap old trinket but seeing how much dps i get from M+, dunno if its worth it :S
jagged pier
what dungeon was that?
leaden sleet
it usually ranges from 5% to 7% dmg done. think it was thrones of tides?
jagged pier
right so that inflated by the damage buff at the end then
leaden sleet
oh
tired crystal
With insta-reset on thunderclap, what deals more dmg and should take prio now, still use revenge or spam thunder?
jagged pier
its the same as its ever been SS > TC
tired crystal
cool thanks
median tulip
Builder > Spender
warm plinth
Builder > Spender
Spender I hardly know her
past cobalt
do you guys use a swing timer weakaura on prot?
jagged pier
theres literally no reason to
buoyant otter
does the 4 set mechanic work on rezan trinket?
blazing condor
you cant upgrade crests above seasonal limit right
blazing condor
luckily you can still buy the item and keep in bag
so you can still get crests
also are the "bis" items chosen based on sims or just "seems good"
low pulsar
which embelishment do you run for m+? I'm currently running with battle rez bracers but unsure about the second one
low pulsar
oh nice, always thought this counts as emb 😄 dumb me. ty!
jagged pier
granite pond
so is the mythic red tint for the gloves not working for anyone? i have them and they just appear on character like the (normal, I think?) ones
sick sentinel
im not gunna do any catalysts on veteran or champion gear personally
jagged gust
except council
Council is such a cursed fight. I love the rock/paper/scissors aspect of the mobs but I have seen way too many melee deaths eating the bear frontal, that thing thing's a slight nerf in the cast time
sick sentinel
only on the hero and myth ones
blazing condor
council is a cool boss but in practice its just chaos lol
even if its "easy"
shit going down and around everywhere
vocal flame
Silly question. If I open the vault with fury loot spec and remain in prot does that mean I’ll get fury tier or will it still be prot? Also good morning!
blazing condor
the tier changes with your spec
jagged gust
But it changes as you swap specs
warm plinth
yeah it makes no difference what spec you are when you obtain tier because it'll just change when you change your spec.
sick sentinel
Ya, tier is whatever spec u change to
it doesnt cost anyting
u dont have to get extra parts
vocal flame
Ooooo cool ok thank you
sick sentinel
u dont have to re-convert it
sick sentinel
i think there should have been parity of point distrbution maybe for number of knowledge
almost done with smith, 80 some points to go, but 60 some extra on engi
vocal flame
Thank you again! I have only the one toon that I pretty much play and they stay prot 100% of the time haha
Good knowledge
jagged ferry
Excuse the photo of a screen, my mates checking my vault whilst I’m overseas, but is it always shield here? Regardless of tier?
jagged pier
if udont mythic raid then yes
woven torrent
sorry if it's been asked before, but do we prefer versa wrist or double shadowflame for crafts?
i see people using both
uneven mason
Shadow
But
If you want the vers wrists go for it
Since embellishment for prot is pretty low impact
woven torrent
is there something they are good at separately?
hollow flower
Vers is also defense Shadow is Just damage
Is it really worth stacking more than the 5400 haste for the itf build?
jagged pier
the amount of vers the bracers give
will give u no amount of vers to make a difference
defesnivly at all
woven torrent
aight
hollow flower
Hmmm OK my bad
hollow flower
You got this
warm plinth
Is it really worth stacking more than the 5400 haste for the itf build?
Yes. Into the Fray is stronger the more haste you have because it's multiplicative.
5400 haste makes 0 difference in what stats you go for. It just impacts a talent option.
And it should be noted that running ItF means you need to manage your shield block more carefully
hollow flower
7100 is the cap
grizzled nova
yeh I go over with sandglass buff
desert grail
this trinket fucks lol
jagged pier
yes
desert grail
i dps keys mostly did my first prot key with it. unreal lol
jagged pier
revenge shouldnt be that high tho
desert grail
it was only a 18 so i was spamming it a lot
dusky canopy
Holy augury bro
grizzled nova
I mean
jagged pier
right but thats still less damage than playing correctly
dusky canopy
Can’t wait to watch the outlaw rouges get that
grizzled nova
You should be pressing tclap far more often than revenge
desert grail
think you missed the part where i said i was a dps. was just sharing the trinket dmg. but thanks for the critique
grizzled nova
revenge is usually like 3% of my overall, if that
jagged pier
also dont know what dungeon could have had a lucky proc rate on damage increases
theres lots of them in the new dungeons
and the reason why its so high in your breakdown is due to playing incorrectly, were we all agreeing it does a lot of damage
but it shouldnt be second on your breakdown
red otter
This guys trying to tell us he’s casting revenge as dps war
Pror war, the second dps...
jagged pier
also just because your dps doesnt mean u should play your off spec incorrectly, hell if i swap i go looking into fury and arms so i know what im doing regardless of lvl of content
tired crystal
I found rageheart to be amazing also, dps is crazy
Am joking - but I am V jealous of the Augury
My guild still trying to get him down in heroic, he's a bitch
restive scroll
didn't expect BRH hast ttrinket to perform so well.
It seems to be about the same as AD's one
tired crystal
Hmm, i passed on that trinket seeing it so low on our list
restive scroll
That's one of the best results I got on it in my current raid run I think
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gthRWHVYrxj7vBPc#fight=39&type=damage-done&source=1
it's between 6 & 10 % of my damage, or something
doubt it does as well in mm+ overall though, I'll see after I'm done with raid
grizzled nova
didn't expect BRH hast ttrinket to perform so well.
It seems to be about the sam...
flat damage trinkets tend to be good for tanks
they represent a higher partial percentage of our total dps than they would for dps specs
restive scroll
Yes, but still expected this one to be weaker
strong forum
It doesn't have str or
Ye it doesnt
So it's quite a bit weaker than it looks
And it's rppm, so it's rng if you get good procs or not in just 1 fight
restive scroll
Better than what I had though
Had the crit one from manor
just got the branch of tormented ancient from the first boss though, I'll try it out too
blazing condor
taking full bloom with the nature damage debuff kinda hurting
vocal flame
this trinket fucks lol
Are you running barbaric training? or is your weapon just that good?
teal swift
It doesn't have str or
People don't seem to quite grasp
How much losing a trinkets worth of mainstat actually does
They just see big detail bar
Instead of losing a ton of shit everywhere else.
The trinkets effectively stealing damage from other bars. It's not quite as strong as it looks
toxic pewter
why people revenge damage so high lol mine is ss and fervid
jagged pier
because they are playing incorrectly
restive scroll
Instead of losing a ton of shit everywhere else.
The trinkets effectively steal...
That is very true, still an upgrade for me though
toxic pewter
why u guys spamming revenge that is weird and more boring tbh lmao
jagged pier
augary actually doing the damage its supposed to
the player doing far less damage than they are supposed to
ionic fern
toxic pewter
i actively try to avoid pressing revenge these days lmao
jagged pier
well according to them because they are dps and it was an 18 🤷
ionic fern
teal swift
why u guys spamming revenge that is weird and more boring tbh lmao
I spam clap a lot. I waste rage sometimes 😦
Just spamming my builders
toxic pewter
clap is ok with tier nowadays
teal swift
And the overcapping
toxic pewter
but revenge.. gross..
vocal flame
Instead of losing a ton of shit everywhere else.
The trinkets effectively steal...
Damage is damage tho right? If they lose damage on trinket they gain it elsewhere or no?
worthy briar
Lol
teal swift
Easy parse farm because people are shit and basically no one plays prot warrior
worthy briar
Prot has been soo much fun
teal swift
I'm a huge parse sl*t
Not judging you
Step up that Game, go log normal full 99s
Or lfr and get some 100s LOL
worthy briar
I got half 99s in normal im working on it
teal swift
Or be like me I. Shadowlands, and refuse to use the right covenant and legendary
And parse 98 on first mythic kill after a month of prog
worthy briar
Lol
teal swift
LOL
grizzled nova
What a difference 4 set makes you just don't take damage
dr helps I guess but honestly pwar takes basically no damage in the raid in general
all the busters are physical and the dangerous magic stuff can all be spell blocked
teal swift
tired crystal
why people revenge damage so high lol mine is ss and fervid
Mine was a joke lol, mine sits between 3-5%
sick sentinel
i used at least 1 of the new rank 3 healing potions toi try it
didnt really notice too much, i have 10 rank 2 of the new toxic ones but the 3's also cost a ton of gold
grizzled nova
2s are fine if you dont want to spend 150g a pop
3s hit me for 800k tho which is baller
sick sentinel
i would pay extrra for the main healing potion because its like it only does healing
so its not a gamble if i eat it am i going to die
grizzled nova
the dot is 30s long you aren't going to die lol
sick sentinel
im not sure, does the healing potions share same cd as this toxic one
grizzled nova
yes
sick sentinel
could just be bad news if you like use it and then take a bunch of dmg
im not sure, i'll have to try using them
grizzled nova
withering are insanely more useful than regular
sick sentinel
it seems like more like those potions are better for BDK or something that takes dmg and heals it back, so healers might like it too
depends how much the tick hits for and how often
grizzled nova
massive heal now + manageable dot is way way more valuable than a 150k pot that barely moves your healthbar
tired crystal
quick q - if i haven't looted the vault yet, and i do a m+ does it count to next week? Or do i have to loot vault first
Surprisingly ive never had to deal with that before rofl
grizzled nova
Yes it counts toward next week.
tired crystal
Awesome ty
latent scaffold
Pls help. Will a Adulation Enforcer 489 from a vault be better then a theoretical Gholak, the Final Conflagration from heroic?
grizzled nova
the only thing better than a h gholak is an m gholak
tired crystal
Heroic Gholak for the shadowflame bonus
grizzled nova
but then it's a theoretical gholak and the weapon in your vault is real
tired crystal
^ thats also VERy true
grizzled nova
one in the hand > two in the bush
sick sentinel
maybe i'll use it
median tulip
You could always play Single-Minded Fury 😁
tired crystal
Wow only issues out 1 and then the next to the second highest roller?
pallid quiver
i hope that's how it's gonna go
blissful iris
what is the strat to dodge breath on last boss in rise? literally just leap away before its over? does it not follow you?
tired crystal
what is the strat to dodge breath on last boss in rise? literally just leap away...
Shield block
You cant "dodge"
blissful iris
iv heard you can literally leap away and not take anything
tired crystal
Thats a first, and also likely to hit the group
ionic fern
You can le
tired crystal
You can?!
ionic fern
Yes
tired crystal
Hmm, ill have to give that a try
jagged gust
Yeah but you gotta leap the moment you see that cast bar, otherwise you land and still take damage
winged slate
You have to leap backwards to outrange it, not leap to the side
harsh trellis
Macro it with a razer 😀
jagged pier
winged slate
The breath does track so if you go to the side you'll just spin him
blissful iris
oh ok .. so i have to rethink my tank positioning cause im using too close to the wall
tired crystal
Ill just create a WA that shouts "Leap" lmfao
uneven mason
You have to leap backwards to outrange it, not leap to the side
But the sounds our DPS make are adorable when we do that
tired crystal
kek
uneven mason
They yelp for half a second
jagged gust
Female gnomish warrior has the best audio in game
winged slate
toxic pewter
can we upgrade crests this week or whatever
anyone know
like turn 60 whelp into drake or whatever it is
median tulip
I can, because I had the achievement last week
uneven mason
What achievement do you need?
Ksm?
Oh have 463 in every slot
Guess I'll be waiting until it decides to give me heroic tier drops
sleek current
Silly me. Saw he answered his own question.
uneven mason
Isn't that like.....absurd? "You can buy this now that you no longer need it"
uneven mason
It's like Blizzard holding the mentality of those pugs "lfm normal - min ilvl 480"
pallid quiver
Not quite; you can trade away whelplings once whelplings no longer have use to you
woven torrent
last week i was struggling on 20s
put 10 ilvls
now i feel invincible
easy affixes too
sleek current
dungeons are so easy this week for tanks
Good, I feel it's takes a lot for me to forgive Blizzard every time sanguine is a thing.
uneven mason
This week doesn't have affixes
undone verge
I’ll never forgive them for necrotic
pallid quiver
After the nerfs, sanguine doesn't really feel that bad
uneven mason
Outside of volcanic randomly aggroing extra packs
undone verge
How would volcanic aggro extra packs?
sleek current
Doesn't matter what they do to it. I have no displacement abilities and I'm sick of having to think 40 steps ahead. 😂
dusky canopy
Missed 22EB last night havoc was Inting the whole dungeon and left group on last boss
uneven mason
How would volcanic aggro extra packs?
On wcm, it can pull the floor above you
Idk how
But it happened twice to my run
woven torrent
i just did a wcm
undone verge
Oh yeah the buggy things so can boomkin abilities
thin quest
Can anyone please explain the difference between spell block and spell reflect?
serious question! 🙂
median tulip
Oh yeah the buggy things so can boomkin abilities
Likewise Wake of Ashes from Retribution Paladin
uneven mason
Can anyone please explain the difference between spell block and spell reflect?
Spell block mitigates spell dmg by your block value
sleek current
Spell Reflect reduces magic damage by 25% and can reflect certain spells.
Spell Block just allows you to block the damage of spells in the same way that you Shield Block melee hits.
thin quest
Thank you both! I ahve been using the spells interchangeably.
not sure if i was doing it wrong
pallid quiver
why are lust timings so hard in pugs
uneven mason
Basically splock is for big magic tank Buster
pallid quiver
They're like planning to specifically use lust at exactly 3 minutes and 45 seconds into the fight
uneven mason
Sr is, press it because it's CD is miniscule
woven torrent
also does anyone know if spiteful hurts us at all?
like i had pulls where my team died
but spiteful felt like it dealt 0 dmg
when it was on me
uneven mason
also does anyone know if spiteful hurts us at all?
Can't target tanks
pallid quiver
Spiteful shouldn't ever look at you in the first place
woven torrent
^ explained above
median tulip
Can't target tanks
Not actually true, but they never go for us on initial spawn
thin quest
the onlyl time i have been targeted by spitful is if my dps dies they were targeting
uneven mason
One swing and your rogue was a red puddle
median tulip
This is a really good week to bring an Arms Warrior along to mythic+
narrow jay
What embellishments this season still double shadowflame patch or?
jagged pier
Yes.
narrow jay
Thanks 🙂
median tulip
What embellishments this season still double shadowflame patch or?
Yes, but that's in the long run. In the short term crafting a good Shield if you don't have one is a solid plan
narrow jay
I was able to upgrade a shield to 476 right away with bis stats on it so I'll probably use my 2 sparks on my two shadowflame items I have from last season
Ohhhh I forgot you can put shadowflame on a shield
median tulip
Shield with shadowflame
That's what I ran all last season. Shame blizz nerfed crafting.
narrow jay
I always put my well fed food bonus on it
uneven mason
That's what I ran all last season. Shame blizz nerfed crafting.
It's mostly the extra tiers they added into heroic
They didn't adjust the ilvl of crafted items to accomodate that change and just said "f it"
median tulip
I have a ring with Alchemical Flavour Pocket on it.
Rings are also good early crafts because the crafted rings always have a socket.
uneven mason
Upgraded my neck lastnight
Because flavor pocket
And primary stat gem
Too cheap to replace it even though I looted a neck from heroic
cyan sorrel
Crafted Bracers with Vers is a sneaky option 2
dusky canopy
Wait we don’t get a 3rd craft this week do we?
winged slate
Negative, Ghost Rider
cyan sorrel
No next
dusky canopy
Thought so
Prob going neck myself too for flavor pocket
Depends on vault
Might go ring too
dusky canopy
Kinda undesirable rings all around as far as arms goes so I’m unsure
uneven mason
High vers rings so far, I feel dirty using them
jagged gust
This is a really good week to bring an Arms Warrior along to mythic+
Yeah we die in 3 hits, not like those puny rogues who get 2 shot
grizzled nova
Wait we don’t get a 3rd craft this week do we?
sparks on tyran weeks, catalyst on fort weeks
grizzled nova
how do you guys have the gcds to press revenge this much
toxic pewter
do most hunters not take misdirect in keys or wat lmao
grizzled nova
dps loss for them
toxic pewter
dang really
jagged gust
Not really, but they have to trade a bit of utility to get it
thorny stone
They do have binding shot, I have yet to see a hunter use it
manic shoal
How much % better is new tier?
toxic pewter
now i feel like im using tc too much
fervid should be higher than revenge thats for sure
revenge is only ever used to get a shield slam reset these days
woven torrent
how do you guys have the gcds to press revenge this much
i pressed a lot during last boss inbetween shield slams and tc
toxic pewter
yeah but IP procs the tier at a 90% rate
woven torrent
oh ye ofc
undone verge
Revenge is the ‘thunderclap didn’t proc now I gotta either press this or I can’t press anything for a sec’
woven torrent
but when i would be overcapping
i just press both revenge and ip
i only use ip for resetting tier when i get a ss reset
also unrelated question
woven torrent
if anyone did the higher key route for atal dazar
after rezan do u just walk the same way?
like i painted it
jagged gust
Man speaking of, the % change fucked me up real good the first time I tried AD last week
By the third extra pack we had to pull for % it started to feel a bit silly
woven torrent
this route has like 99% but u just pull one more raptor or whatever
or can do the pack before totems
and not take any extra flying raptors
grizzled nova
meh they don't aoe anymore, they're pretty whatever now
jagged gust
dang really
I had to double check, but worst case scenario a hunter is gonna lose 3% move speed to take MD
vocal nimbus
which was the consensus to sim m+ guys?
grizzled nova
v0v my hunter said it's a dps for him and I took him at his word
spice lark
does anyone know if farming for servent splitter is worth it?
jagged pier
does anyone know if farming for servent splitter is worth it?
No.
your best wep comes form fyrak
spice lark
and as 2nd best, it or just crafted ?
uneven mason
and as 2nd best, it or just crafted ?
Not crafted
jagged pier
i mean normal ghloaks which is easy to pug is better than literally everything pretty much
pallid quiver
^^^
uneven mason
Any haste 1h at myth track if you don't raid
pallid quiver
It's better than stat weapons at max mythic track
uneven mason
i mean normal ghloaks which is easy to pug is better than literally everything p...
He seems to drop it like skittles
pallid quiver
Gholak is nutty
vocal flame
Cause dps never use cds on those packs
DPS hardly even interrupts I usually sit at 20+ and the next close one is 3 lol
vocal nimbus
gholak dropped in every hc kill in my guild
jagged pier
He seems to drop it like skittles
i dunno we've had it on 3 or our 4 kills
spice lark
i mean normal ghloaks which is easy to pug is better than literally everything p...
my luck is horrendous
jagged pier
my luck is horrendous
its week 2
vocal nimbus
no jokes
uneven mason
Yeah we've had one every kill
vocal nimbus
ok its a joke
uneven mason
We do alt normal, heroic and a fun normal we're like 7/7
spice lark
ye
jagged pier
so 2 weeks and a day
jagged gust
v0v my hunter said it's a dps for him and I took him at his word
Your buddy may actually be right, I'm looking at the builds on both wowhead and IV and frankly they make bad decisions. It is indeed a DPS loss for a BM hunter to take MD, it's just not a DPS loss if you're wasting talents like the guide builders are
uneven mason
Imagine not having a Mwahi to write your guide
jagged gust
I hope it doesn't take a Mwahi to realize that a talent that increases your exe crit damage by 25% is worth more DPS than a 3% run speed buff
uneven mason
I hope it doesn't take a Mwahi to realize that a talent that increases your exe ...
Bruh, were the mobility ranged
pallid quiver
I hope it doesn't take a Mwahi to realize that a talent that increases your exe ...
the guide is written with the general intent of making sure your average hunter can die even just once less per year
alternatively, for optimal ninja pulling prowess
jagged gust
Actually funny enough if you're on the wrong side of the swirlies Fyrakk drops we don't have enough run speed to get out before getting one shot unless you leap it, maybe that 3% makes all the difference in the world (as arms at least)
timber nest
What’s the “proper” way to tank gnarlroot? I got my first mythic kill yesterday and I got got when adds were up and I had to taunt the boss
toxic pewter
these fotm dh's getting on my nerves
jagged gust
idk what was worse, s2 tanks where they would run 3 rooms ahead of the pack and wonder why the party is dying or their s3 dps counterparts doing 3 times more dps than they know how to handle and blowing up every 30 seconds
woven torrent
these fotm dh's getting on my nerves
class is so easy its hard to find a bad dh anyway
jagged gust
Idk what you’re doing
Watching DH's die, duh
toxic pewter
just had one that refused to kick.. had 2 kicks entire run lol
and it was in muruzonds rise with those annoying volleys and spell casting mobs
timber nest
Watching DH's die, duh
To you losing aggro? Or is the dh a tank? I’m confused
lavish oracle
The Fyrakk weapon is basically only replaceable by the fyrakk weapon of a higher ilvl, right?
timber nest
Yes
lavish oracle
👍
uneven mason
just had one that refused to kick.. had 2 kicks entire run lol
Isn't kicking a DPS increase for them?
undone verge
Isn't kicking a DPS increase for them?
They get like 10 fury or something if they take the talent
uneven mason
dunno but that place sucks when people arent kicking
It really is, one of the few dungeons that disrupting is locked in, because those packs in the sand can have 4 "fuck your couch" casts lined up at once
undone verge
Y’all pull the big tree in EB?
uneven mason
Depends if I have a hdh or hunter in the group
undone verge
He’s so easy though and worth like 8*
%
Just pull him into another pack and you get a 12% pull easy
I get on high fort keys but like I have no trouble with him on a 20
blazing condor
count isnt hard in that dungeon anyway you can just pull one extra pack
undone verge
Or pull him into a pack you’re already killing and skip a pack entirely
uneven mason
Another pack that doesn't shit silencing zones
pallid quiver
count isnt hard in that dungeon anyway you can just pull one extra pack
count's mega hard because i always forget literally two mobs
It's the same two mobs
every time
blazing condor
sick sentinel
they buffed the hell out of mistweaver monk didnt they
blazing condor
just dont 
uneven mason
It's the same two mobs
The patrolls?
blazing condor
im calling the hornets
pallid quiver
There's a caster and berserker dude I like to grab while moving towards 2nd boss
i say like to grab
My actions say I don't like to grab them
uneven mason
they buffed the hell out of mistweaver monk didnt they
MW was strong, just no one noticed
Probably my favorite healer this season
sick sentinel
monk giga bubble is sure nice
uneven mason
Cocoon is just 
for these tankbusters
undone verge
Resto druids the best cause the boss is dead before the tank busters happen
uneven mason
Resto druids the best cause the boss is dead before the tank busters happen
Yeah if you're lucky enough to have a cat weaving resto
Hotw makes them insane
winged slate
Getting casters rooted in a silence is pretty cringe, I don't touch that dude
undone verge
Sounds like a dps issue cause everyone just stacks and aoes and it’s ez
uneven mason
Stacks in silence?
ashen coral
To you losing aggro? Or is the dh a tank? I’m confused
Honestly when I don’t have my cd I really don’t understand how you can not loose aggro, revenge and thunderclap deal so low damages even when I spam them
undone verge
Stacks in silence?
Stacks for route
ashen coral
Against dh i mean
ashen coral
I often have to change my target for shield slam and taunt one or two mob
sick sentinel
but i want to see it in video form
undone verge
Like it becomes inefficient on high keys when the roots become hard to dps down before the silence but that should happen till at least a 23 fort
Shouldn’t *
uneven mason
Honestly when I don’t have my cd I really don’t understand how you can not loose...
Pug hdh are indeed cringe for hitting all their CD while I'm gathering the mobs
ashen coral
Pug hdh are indeed cringe for hitting all their CD while I'm gathering the mobs
To be fair I think it is more because other tank never loose aggro so they don’t need to wait
undone verge
It’s not an aggro issue if I haven’t even hit the mobs yet since I’m pulling more
Or at least hit them in a meaningful way
uneven mason
It's this, and I have way less aggro issues on my warrior compared to bdk or vdh
ashen coral
But sometimes I hit mobs with tc and revenge like once of each, but they still take aggro again if I don’t ss the one they focus
uneven mason
ashen coral
And it’s not a gear issue because i have 4p and 472
ashen coral
I don’t know if i am meant to change target so i use ss on the most of mobs
uneven mason
I don’t know if i am meant to change target so i use ss on the most of mobs
The set bonus does lend itself to this
ashen coral
It depends on the dungeon, like in BRH I was at 115k
Usually i am more around 100k or a little bit less
undone verge
Should probably be like 20-30k more but that shouldn’t lend itself to big threat issues
uneven mason
But seriously you shouldn't have a ton of aggro issues unless the DPS are just lighting up mobs before your engaged
Which is an issue in pugs for sure
ashen coral
The set bonus does lend itself to this
Does it ? Usually auto attack is enough to keep bleed no ?
ashen coral
Should probably be like 20-30k more but that shouldn’t lend itself to big threat...
Wow really ? But I do follow the priority order shown in icy vein I don’t know what can I do better
I will try to log my games
uneven mason
Does it ? Usually auto attack is enough to keep bleed no ?
For ss to consume the bleeds
violet flume
bleeds should be back up when you SS again no?
unless you get 2 back to back SS without using thunderclap
ashen coral
But seriously you shouldn't have a ton of aggro issues unless the DPS are just l...
It is not with everyone but there is often at least one mob that takes aggro or sometimes I donkt have cd and dh or paladin do
ashen coral
unless you get 2 back to back SS without using thunderclap
That’s what I thought
There is only thundering roar which is not consumed again
violet flume
yeah but thunderoar roar theres no advantage between consume and no consume in dps unless your mob is dying before it ends
uneven mason
I was meaning from an aggro point of view, the burst of damage would help solidify from ss consuming the bleeds
violet flume
ah
i find most aggro issues being some rare megaburster dps or aoe not hitting everything
does feel liks revenge has a really small aoe
or maybe i just ply classes where melee range aoe does way bigger than typical 8yards
uneven mason
Revenge is frontal arc only so if they're 1 pixel behind that line it doesn't hit, also they're punching you in the back
violet flume
yeah
ashen coral
Revenge is frontal arc only so if they're 1 pixel behind that line it doesn't hi...
It is possible that I miss them maybe ?
violet flume
feel like other tanks i play their aoe is more generous
anywyas its not a massive issue i always take it into account
uneven mason
Yeah the other tanks ae are 360 more or less
violet flume
It is possible that I miss them maybe ?
happens to me often, really gotta make sure you get in and smash shit
do you have like threatplates that show threat status?
it makes it easy to pick up loose mobs
ashen coral
Do you really not have aggro issue with burst class even without thundering roar or ravager up ? Then I should watch out for revenge and care to switch target for 2p
undone verge
It is possible that I miss them maybe ?
A lot of your upfront threat gen should be from thunderclap, like I usually charge in TC SS then TC again, then usually I have something like ravager TR or outburst thunderclap to ensure I don’t get ripped on by big bursts
ashen coral
do you have like threatplates that show threat status?
I have threat lates but it doesn’t show prrcentzge, only color
uneven mason
Do you really not have aggro issue with burst class even without thundering roar...
Shield charge is big dam and should be up nearly every pull
sick sentinel
yep, should use SC on either a high priority target, or the whole group balled up when you have CD
ashen coral
Shield charge is big dam and should be up nearly every pull
Yeah shield charge does help indeed and it has helped me a lot
violet flume
color is what i meant so youre good
uneven mason
Also make sure avatar is up
ashen coral
But as I always need things like that or taunt I have he feeling that TC and revenge are just not enough (not overall of course but just for threat)
sick sentinel
giga taunt is something you want to use only in specific scenarios
but its you use it all the time too
its very powerful and you dont want it to miss something whati mean
ashen coral
Also make sure avatar is up
I use it on cd
Same for demo, btw it may be another reason : when I use a gcd on demo sometimes it is when it happens
uneven mason
I just realized I'm also running some burst ae trinkets
violet flume
if youre doing 100k dps that should be good tbh
uneven mason
So that's probably why 😅
violet flume
aggro loss will happen sometimes but its mostly when you arent hitting something or someone is doing insane burst
sick sentinel
paladins and druids and warriors are extremely good at ripping aggro
ashen coral
giga taunt is something you want to use only in specific scenarios
I use it a lot and although in the end "it is ok", the amount of ressource and focus i have to put just for something which is meant to be basic makes me wonder what i do bad
jovial locust
Q: What Embellishments should i run in 10.2?
A: 2x Shadowflame on Cloak and Bracers will be your go-to choice of embellishments again.
Reading FAQ and wondering if this is accurate for prot as well? First time playing my warrior all expansion really lol. Are there any defensive embellishments that I might use for now and recraft to later?
violet flume
defensive ones dont make much of a differnece
shadowflame does a chunky dps increase though
its 5% damage boos from shadowflame or 0.5% damage reduction from vers bracers
uneven mason
Q: What Embellishments should i run in 10.2?
A: 2x Shadowflame on Cloak and Brac...
We don't aim for defense
lofty widget
is the accelerated hourglass trinket good?
violet flume
believe it's the best trinket from M+
sick sentinel
i like it
violet flume
pales compared to raid trinkets though
ashen coral
Do you use demo on pull ? I tend to use for both defensive and offensive reason in engage but maybe I should wait
But when i have my cd I want to use demo at the same time but wasting a gcd may be a reason of threat issues
sick sentinel
ya, raid trinkets generally always better
but you have to then actually do the raid to get it
so
jovial locust
We don't aim for defense
I really need to change my tank perspective lol. Last time I tanked mainspec was when tank stats existed on gear >.>.
uneven mason
Do you use demo on pull ? I tend to use for both defensive and offensive reason ...
Yeah it's possible
violet flume
i make sure i have hit everything then i demo shout before using all my gigachad cds
ashen coral
We never engage with demo ? Or only when there is offensive cd to use with it ?
uneven mason
I really need to change my tank perspective lol. Last time I tanked mainspec was...
Modern tanking in a nutshell - we're DPS that don't die, optimal offensive play leads to optimal defensive play
ashen coral
i make sure i have hit everything then i demo shout before using all my gigachad...
Okay i see
timber nest
Honestly when I don’t have my cd I really don’t understand how you can not loose...
I’ve personally never had aggro issues but I cycle through CDs. Make sure you have everything for a big pull for damage and then AOE taunt on pulls where you have less threat
ashen coral
I’ve personally never had aggro issues but I cycle through CDs. Make sure you ha...
Oh yes so when I don’t have cd I should do smaller packs
timber nest
Yup
jagged pier
oh is this reds once a season im not holding aggro issue
where we tell him the same stuff everytime?
jagged gust
The classic DH walk of shame
sick sentinel
within 10 seconds of a keystone in BFA
DH dont stand in the maggot plz
Dh respond : 'ya ya this is ez dungeon'
ashen coral
where we tell him the same stuff everytime?
I am trying to apply the advices but I still have issues
sick sentinel
10 seconds later
hes dead to standing in maggto breath
key dead
cuz dh left
it seems like alot of the players that started to learn how to do keys have gotten better at it
even the casual like, almost role player types, can do the things and time keys
jagged gust
Somehow most of my guild has actually become worse
timber nest
Makes sense
vestal moat
is brand any good for us in m+ ? It;s doing maybe 5% of my damage in a 21. not sure how that compared to hourglass or other stuff i dont have.
jagged gust
That's about on par for a trinket
marsh geode
Hello! Question, I have seen on many sites BiS items have haste on everything, but the Deminishing returns are over 20%, does that not matter for prot?
knotty vortex
7100 rating i think is cap well over 20
marsh geode
7100 rating i think is cap well over 20
but is it not better to just take more crit and verse then?
So like hit the 5200 cap for haste and then realocate the secondaries (Crit/verse) ?
sick sentinel
Should you only use the fyrakk axe in ST situations??
lusty grotto
.
knotty vortex
mines alot higher i like ITF. so i have 35% haste before buffs then i go crit verse. but u do want at least around 1k mastery thats about 20%
lusty grotto
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lusty grotto
So like hit the 5200 cap for haste and then realocate the secondaries (Crit/vers...
no
never
marsh geode
no
is it because the value on deminising haste is still more valuable than moving it to crit/verse?
marsh geode
well, capped I mean that you are losing value on the haste
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
lusty grotto
as long as haste gives you something its still valuable
marsh geode
I come from a dps background and wondered cause I use True Stat Values
lusty grotto
until you hit the 2nd round of DR
knotty vortex
taht that diminishing returns nonsense and throw that out the window
lusty grotto
spoilers: you wont
marsh geode
until you hit the 2nd round of DR
I appreciate that information and detail
jagged pier
Should you only use the fyrakk axe in ST situations??
its bis in all situations
jagged gust
Well in terms of pure dps there is a point well before the second tier of DR where things like vers/mastery start to pull ahead of even haste, but haste still feels better for the things it does to rage gen/gcd
restive scroll
Well in terms of pure dps there is a point well before the second tier of DR whe...
Where does mastery dps comes from? I thought it just increase blocked damages
It's not set in the character sheet, sorry~
It is in the character sheet, I just missed it 234 times
winged slate
Mastery gives % attack power
soft plume
is nightmare egg shell good
jagged gust
What andy said, it basically scales incredibly well the more targets you have
jagged pier
is nightmare egg shell good
No.
raw parcel
Rezan's Eye vs. Signet Brand for M+? Assuming I only use one because I really like my cheat death trinket.
uneven mason
jagged pier
u drop the cheat death because i can guarentee its not doing anything
uneven mason
If you're hitting the cheat death something went wrong
raw parcel
It's very handy for not dying 😄
uneven mason
Is it though
jagged pier
what key lvls u doing?
raw parcel
18
uneven mason
Oof
jagged pier
u drop cheat death
uneven mason
If they're dead they can't hurt you
strong forum
if you like to run it, run it, but it aint something you need by a long shot in that key range
jagged pier
its an 18 they arent hurting u anyway
uneven mason
This mace is hot!
Wildhammer headdress too
jagged pier
ah goes with my p2w tmog
strong forum
also ursine vengeance still bugged
restive scroll
It's very handy for not dying 😄
What they are trying to say, is that if you need it in 18, there's probably something wrong in your gameplay, and you might be better of finding out what it is =)
It can also be confortable to learn your role if you never tanked before, your spec, and the dungeons
raw parcel
What they are trying to say, is that if you need it in 18, there's probably some...
Well "need" and "enjoy having" aren't necessarily the same. It doens't pop often, but it feels good when it does. And it is a reliable way not to be murdered by the spiders in BRH.
cinder nova
@strong forum is rageheart exclusively a big defensive button
or can we safely press it for dam
uneven mason
So when it pops captain panda, checkout your logs to see why it popped and try and locate where things went to poo
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is rageheart exclusively a big defensive button
you try to use it on CD as often as possible
its more a dps than a tank trinket
uneven mason
Like did you have defensive options
cinder nova
Really? Why?
uneven mason
And it popped because you didn't use it?
strong forum
cuz its a short fucking CD thats does quite some damage
cinder nova
Interesting.
The absorb is pretty stronk
would it be bad to hold it for a big pull if I see one coming up
uneven mason
would it be bad to hold it for a big pull if I see one coming up
No
blissful pebble
I have the Fyrakk Weapon at 476 and crafted shield at 486 should I be opening my 20s vaults as Arms at this point do you think?
uneven mason
Like that's a use grey matter moment
uneven mason
I have the Fyrakk Weapon at 476 and crafted shield at 486 should I be opening my...
Yes
jagged gust
^
dusky canopy
Well some argument to be had about looting fury incase you can get heroic fyrak weapon
But arms prob the way
uneven mason
Well some argument to be had about looting fury incase you can get heroic fyrak ...
Said 20s, idk if they raid?
dusky canopy
True depends if they raid heroic or not
blissful pebble
Said 20s, idk if they raid?
I raid but only half cleared Hc won't clear Fyrakk for a week or 2 yet.
dusky canopy
Then arms yes
uneven mason
Lotta vaults I'm seeing are like lfr in the raid spots, and 20s
dusky canopy
uneven mason
I swear I ran all 3 wings of lfr hoping for tier
dusky canopy
Im apparently missing out on my 2nd mythic slot this week 3 warriors in group and they picked me to sit for 5th healer on council
uneven mason
And ended up with the same brm as my cotank
dusky canopy
uneven mason
And he won all 3 pieces
raw parcel
And it popped because you didn't use it?
Well like I said, doesn't pop often. I don't see it as a crutch for poor gameplay, just an emergency button for when things go south that can save a fight that might otherwise wipe. And that has happened a couple times.
uneven mason
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
jagged gust
Lotta vaults I'm seeing are like lfr in the raid spots, and 20s
Makes sense, pugging heroic, hell even quite a bit of normal with pugs is a depressing shitshow of no talent and bad communication. Unless you're in a raiding guild that top tier is staying dark for a healthy population
uneven mason
Yeah pugging normal is a crapshoot
dusky canopy
Yeah I must admit now that Ive experienced a new season with an organized guild I won’t ever go back to pugging
grand veldt
idk if anyw warriors need some tips for EB, but this is how I pull all the trash on first boss without DH silence
dusky canopy
Pugging is such a horrendous experience
pallid quiver
would it be bad to hold it for a big pull if I see one coming up
It increases the damage you deal up to 5 targets, so depending on specifically what you mean, it's more damage as long as you don't miss out on uses
uneven mason
Pugging is such a horrendous experience
Especially when you get kicked for ripping aggro
And telling the other tank to press buttons
pallid quiver
Especially when you get kicked for ripping aggro
you just don't understand aggro control 🙂
jagged gust
I tried to lead a heroic fyrakk pug, got consistently to P3 but healers these days make me want to scream into a pillow. First group broke up, rallied a second later in the night and we couldn't even make it to P2 after 45 minutes (Dispelling is hard 😦 )
dusky canopy
you just don't understand aggro control 🙂
LUL
pallid quiver
i can't get over that bear, he lives rent free in my head
uneven mason
I mean that happens in my organized guild runs too, but they don't boot me
dusky canopy
Tanks these days should not ever have to think about threat
Unless taunt swapping
If you do one of the tanks is just bad
pallid quiver
pugging wouldn't be that bad if the default mindset people have wasn't "Never my fault, these idiots are dragging me down"
blissful pebble
1st 5 Heroic PUG isn't too painful if appropriately selective and well run but starts getting annoying beyond that. I did 6 last week and 10% ish wipes on Smolderon but that was a bit painful without fail detection WAs.
pallid quiver
also wouldn't be as bad if people were literate, but a lot of guild people are also illiterate, so that's not just a pug issue
dusky canopy
We pugged Fyrakk week 1 on Saturday night for like 6 hours straight to kill it
pallid quiver
For how much people love their parses and number pumping, it really is difficult to find someone who understands how numbers work and which numbers are actually bigger than others
dusky canopy
Only replaced two people that were not figuring it out
Seeds are by far the struggle in pugs
blissful pebble
We pugged Fyrakk week 1 on Saturday night for like 6 hours straight to kill it
I enjoy doing that in previous seasons but not had the time for the last few.
jagged gust
pugging wouldn't be that bad if the default mindset people have wasn't "Never my...
I was chilling in discord, doing heroic council, invited the tank in to chat and help coordinate, guy goes on a 2 minute spiel about how this is the third set of tanks he's been with and everyone doesn't know what they're doing, etc. etc.
raw parcel
Did he then wipe you because he didn't know what to do? XD
jagged gust
Guy then proceeds to aim the bear frontal at half the raid, then fuck up the charge into the vines ability and wipe the raid, twice.
raw parcel
I must be Nostradamus.
pallid quiver
Raid tanks are the fucking worst human beings I have the displeasure to ever even witness on my free time.
this is before we even get to how they play the game
cinder nova
99% of pug tanks just cannot do dam
jagged gust
It wouldn't have been nearly so bad if he didn't also have the kind of voice that could grate cheese
pallid quiver
I'm partially tempted to get my second computer set up just so I can do both tank roles just so I never have to interact with them ever again
In the grand scheme of things, I don't actually really care if you're doing like 20k DPS
woven torrent
is there a way to position to time last mages pack in ToTT spell reflect for all of them?
cinder nova
It wouldn't have been nearly so bad if he didn't also have the kind of voice tha...
You couldn't pay me to be in a PUG discord
pallid quiver
I care a lot more if you're an absolute reprobate and trogladyte who should have been banished to a cave filled with lions as an infant
dusky canopy
I’m so washed man I haven’t touched Prot in about 6 months I tried tanking a key and was like nope..
cinder nova
A lot of times I'm just there to refine my CD usage for M
dusky canopy
Definitely gotta stick with it to perform well
cinder nova
So when they tell me to be in disc I just bounce
dusky canopy
At least I do
jagged gust
Every now and then the rando disc pug pays off
cinder nova
Never.
dusky canopy
So when they tell me to be in disc I just bounce
In my experience the pugs who require voice and exp are typically the successful ones
pallid quiver
It's literally the same chance in my boat
sometimes people just like to hear themselves talk
cinder nova
I don't want to listen to a bunch of aimless chatter from people I do not know or care about.
Almost everytime I pug I already know the fight
I don't need some low-ball andy trying to tell me how to do it
pallid quiver
I was in a pug just earlier where the guy wanted everyone in Disc and to take his 6 weak auras for the fight, and had about a 20 minute explanation of the very specific strat needed to handle the boss
it was for smolderon
jagged gust
I met another warrior from a pug we started, had a voice that sounded like if barry white was a radio host, and we both had the same mustache, #bros4lyfe
cinder nova
lol what
pallid quiver
i think he had more weak auras than smold has mechanics
cinder nova
Smold is literally walk around the ring, stand behind boss with overheat, stand in front/side with tank soak
Grab orbs
burn
Don't be in fire
how is that 20 minutes and 6 auras
pallid quiver
He had weak auras for how to properly position all the overheats and which direction they're going and how to assign people to soak and
raw parcel
This is why I don't raid.
pallid quiver
so i did this weird thing known as not taking any of those and leaving when they wiped pull 1
jagged gust
You forgot the part where pugs drop all 10 rings underneath the boss then complain when half the raid dies
pallid quiver
we didn't even get to that part
The tanks just kinda ran the boss around everywhere
(I got in as DPS)
And so the raid got blasted by the tank swap debuff
jagged gust
lmfao
surreal kindle
is there an updated afenar 10.2.0 weakaura anywhere?
jagged gust
Honestly it's easier to get into pugs as a DPS than tank, then you just snipe the position once you bully the worse of the 2 tanks out of the raid
surreal kindle
Honestly it's easier to get into pugs as a DPS than tank, then you just snipe th...
pallid quiver
on average I'd prefer to DPS because I can do more to ensure the raid succeeds as DPS than tank
Of course, then we run into the issue of the tanks just simply not understanding how to just taunt at all
and so i have a better chance of making the raid succeed by not having holes in my brain
cinder nova
I actually had someone tell me not to move fyrakk meteors out of the path of the spirits
jagged gust
I'd say normally you're right, but a lot of the make or break moments are tank mechanics this tier
cinder nova
Because they wanted to let their RDPS hang out in narnia rather than move up so leap doesn't blast them
pallid quiver
That makes more sense than some of the other shit I've heard
cinder nova
Or have to move at all, frankly
sick sentinel
does fall drop shit loot for priest?
like it has nothing good for them or no good trinket?
source - not a priest
jagged gust
Doesn't fall have that insane int staff with the proc?
jagged gust
Hopefully that was before the key started
uneven mason
Got to go - good luck
jagged gust
I've had 3 brick last week, even after posting multiple times before starting which portion of doti it is, some rogue or dh goes "mfer I thought this was the other one" the moment the dungeon starts
pallid quiver
zzzz I think people think I buy boosts since my io's at like 1100 but I've timed a 20
grizzled nova
easiest part of the fight
stay close, move counterclockwise behind most recently spawned set
uneven mason
those balls on time boss suck
Ez, it's a rotary phone
mental shoal
some german prot mentor here?
vivid jay
Guys i got 4set today and I feel like my dps is lot lower than before, should I change some rotation or is just in my head?
lusty grotto
in your head
priority hasnt changed
check your prio
SS > TC > rev/exe
you probably arent thunderclapping enough
urban portal
Sounds right
vivid jay
it seems it is in my head
lusty grotto
you should have SS as #1
cinder nova
I hate to say it
woven torrent
i keep getting tc first
cinder nova
but my DPS went up by like 10K just not funneling all my rage into Exec outside of SS