Only asking this because obviously new 2h leggo axe
#protection
calm prawn
undone verge
idk if it drops in vault
blazing condor
it doesnt
calm prawn
It's a personal loot for killing fyrakk
raw parcel
On what difficulty?
raw parcel
So you can raid finder into a legendary?
calm prawn
Ya
undone verge
just open vault as arms and craft a shield/weapon
calm prawn
Lower drop chance but ya
undone verge
then try to get a onehander from raid
calm prawn
So as fury then?
undone verge
imo craft shield and weapon then open as arms
dark barn
how much % of haste is a good point to stop (without into the fray)
blazing condor
cap is at 7,1k
undone verge
imo craft shield and weapon then open as arms
and you can swap for 1hander or 2handers in raid
calm prawn
It's how I stole a 1h for tanking as fury in vault
But idk if it's worth opening as prot to see about snagging fyrakk trinket 
uneven mason
It's not worth the risk!
blazing condor
might as well go for the fyrakk dps tirnket
wooden tinsel
thanks for the info
barren copper
nightmare egg shell or rezan's gleaming eye for mm+ guys ?
real fossil
i have a rezans and it does a good amount of dmg in keys (especially bosses)
violet mica
Guys how important is embelishment? I can craft 2 items but idk if I should do embelishment or something else
chilly brook
You’re never replacing embellishment pieces
You will replace other things
Do with that information as you will based on your goals and general gearing pattern
barren copper
thanks for the quick answer guys !
opaque quest
You will replace other things
Lies. I did ring first cause flavor pocket
opaque quest
Never. Flavor pocket is +50000 to all stats
dusky canopy
Yeah I’ve been debating this honestly
Not losing food buff is nice but like
3ilvl is 3 ilvl
grand veldt
Prot war gives people a lot of tricks they can use to their advantage, bear just tanks damage
dusky canopy
I will probably end up doing a ring or neck with it if I decide to run it
grand veldt
Prot war just attracts a different type of player
Only other class I can think is like that is BRM
urban portal
Guys how important is embelishment? I can craft 2 items but idk if I should do e...
Not extremely important
It’s about 1% damage
violet mica
Oh I see, well in that case I should just be crafting whatever will be an upgrade?
can do lariat for example since my neck is 447 ilvl
winged slate
Lariat is kinda turds until you have a shitton of sockets
grand veldt
Just make everyone stack, doesn't matter if it's slow or fast side https://clips.twitch.tv/InspiringCalmSowWoofer-aOw-Joy5V2EWQ3Yu
If they're out of position at all they'll die
raw parcel
So apparently we aren't super stronk this season? ;~; Boo.
median tulip
On Nymue, I'm getting an overlap where I still have the 100% extra damage debuff, but my cotank has taken the bomb, and it's killing me. What cause the overlap, and is there any way to not have it happen?
raw parcel
I mean as a prot warrior I feel invincible, but the tier lists say we're not doing so great. So blizz should definitely buff us and knock those stupid Illidan cosplayers out of #1.
toxic pewter
ngl they should ban the words tier list
dusky canopy
The issue is we can’t have double silence sigal
DH brings to much
What we bring is normal
toxic pewter
nothing beats vdh leaping into a pack and dying immediately though, LOL
wish someone would make a compilation of that happening over and over
woven torrent
is there a way to dodge rise last boss breath?
jagged pier
I mean as a prot warrior I *feel* invincible, but the tier lists say we're not d...
👏 STOP 👏 LOOKING 👏 AT 👏 TIER 👏 LISTS 👏
they are maybe by ither ppl who dont know everything about every spec
or just pull data from the game so its a popularity contest
waxen frigate
I’m gonna make a stormforged tier list
lusty grotto
am i gonna be f
waxen frigate
Damn
lusty grotto
just make your own though nish
everyone know the best thing to do about tier lists, is to make yet another one
silk kiln
Like and subscribe
blazing condor
isnt it crazy how dead emerald dream already is
2 weeks in
like what CAN you even do there besides seeds and superbloom
jagged pier
because
waxen frigate
“Chores bad”
waxen frigate
So instead we get boring zones
jagged pier
rune
blazing condor
i didnt do shit
cinder storm
waxen frigate
Delves 🙏
blazing condor
but doing WC just so i can have the privilege to buy an augment rune for 100k
isnt exactly content
jagged pier
also its just blizz havent recovered form BFA SLs where they didnt need ot make content
cinder storm
We should make that a gif here maybe
cinder storm
I don't blame him, I blame the hunter, you can tell his brain went like "need to save him and do this"
It's always the hunters
lusty grotto
plush tendon
I was rooting for Method to win
jagged pier
wasnt even the reason they wiped
plush tendon
was the only real choice
jagged pier
where that clip comes from
chilly brook
for a useless
Sir I'm getting plenty of use out of my augment rune
silk kiln
Renown 20 also gives free wyrm craft
jagged pier
Sir I'm getting plenty of use out of my augment rune
same
cinder storm
where that clip comes from
From his channel
chilly brook
100k was def worth
plush tendon
I dont know if I can afford the augment rune
jagged pier
yer i really needed that craft
cinder storm
I think I'm level 1 with renown
I'm having fun playing casually, not stressing and just playing
jagged pier
100k was def worth
really needed the rune in mythic
chilly brook
chilly brook
really needed the rune in mythic
you've never needed a rune for anything
jagged pier
cinder storm
Sense is built differently
jagged pier
i beat him on the first 2
raw parcel
👏 STOP 👏 LOOKING 👏 AT 👏 TIER 👏 LISTS 👏
I want to, but they're posted on every major site and it's hard not to look ;~;
chilly brook
just because you don't need consumes to perform well or do content doesn't mean they're not helpful or worth having
chilly brook
I want to, but they're posted on every major site and it's hard not to look ;~;
it's very easy, look, point laugh move on
cinder storm
Many people need to overgear a content to be able to achieve what top players can do snoozing
plush tendon
https://www.amazon.com/Subtle-Art-Not-Giving-Counterintuitive/dp/0062457713 here...
thats a A tier book
jagged pier
<:xan:1094127979703062558>
keen iris
I don't want to over gear runs like a scrub, so before I start an m+ run I always take off my pants
And I look all my group mates in the eyes while I do it to assert dominance
sick sentinel
works hard, why, so you can go out and buy, bunch of shit, you dont need, driven by your punk ass hopes and dreams
cinder storm
And I look all my group mates in the eyes while I do it to assert dominance
That probably makes the video conference awkward ngl
sick sentinel
no repair cost bs hammer op
raw parcel
Question for my fellow tanks: I love Black Rook Hold, favorite dungeon, and I've been clearing it a lot. Is there some intended way to not get fucked by those spooders with their enormous stacking dot? Or is that just part of the experience, getting murdered by little bugs?
Cuz the stacks of that dot rack up real fast.
warm plinth
What Jakey said, but also make sure you keep a deep-seated hatred burning behind your eyeballs for Blizzard making dumb pointless shit like that.
jagged pier
stoneform
vocal flame
Question for my fellow tanks: I love Black Rook Hold, favorite dungeon, and I've...
or run dwarf?
raw parcel
I'm a human.
warm plinth
Honestly just do the first big pull of spooders and if you die you die. The spiders will die regardless and then you can just do the big dude w/ the 2 little ones (which are a lot easier to manage stacks on) and the two mob patrol at the top
Healers can't be trusted
raw parcel
My current strategy is just crying into my pillow while my cheat death trinket prevents me from actually dying to that pull, but glad to know there isn't some secret trick I'm just missing here.
warm plinth
Use your CDs if you trust the healer to actually dispel because even if they dispel on CD, you're gonna get a lot of stacks unless they die instantly
grizzled nova
Honestly just do the first big pull of spooders and if you die you die. The spi...
save a ravager/troar for aggro, aggro all the spiders, stoneform off your stacks, cc/kite it until deadge
vocal flame
haha
jagged pier
i might be wrong but i swear if i have an absorb shield like heart i dont get stacks
but that sounds wrong
raw parcel
I mean kiting is another possibility... 
warm plinth
Nooooo
Don't do it Panda!
lol out of curiosity I looked at this 27 brh run
And I'm pretty sure the DH literally just dropped a sigil and bolted because he only took 1 tick of soul venom 
raw parcel
Right, smack spooders to piss them off then run, got it XD
warm plinth
Gotta be smart boi about it
breath hurty
healer has to not be asleep too, especially when there are keepers out as well
burnt crane
he literally exploses
warm plinth
Do you have a log of it by chance?
Our favorite thing is to criticize our fellow warriors
bleak breach
Just run past, let the dps take the threat and survive instead
warm plinth
Just run past, let the dps take the threat and survive instead
this is honestly the biggest brain strat
DPS are expendable
grizzled nova
if you've 20 spare seconds to burn on a death and res suicide tanking is fine too lol
raw parcel
If Pika does it, I must emulate this and take spooder bites to the ass. Because that is how a REAL MAN do.
warm plinth
He did not die in that dungeon
Also like a man
exactly
Emulate the man, the myth, the legend
the pokemon
vocal flame
That guy is a prot god
burnt crane
we ended up killing him by BL P1
grizzled nova
I can emulate him just fine, emulating his healer is another thing
warm plinth
warm plinth
Well, DH has a lot of passive mitigation
that probably helps quite a bit w/ that type of shit
bleak breach
Is the dot spell blockable?
warm plinth
It is not
grizzled nova
it's one extremely low impact pull I'm not that concerned about it lol
bleak breach
How dare they
warm plinth
He actually tried to use it on that pull it looks like
I cut it off in my snip though
bleak breach
I assume just get to big spider, blow cds and shockwave. Hope you survive
warm plinth
Yeah idk. It's a stupid pull with a stupider mechanic
Whoever designed that staircase is still chuckling about it to this day, you know that
vocal flame
lol
warm plinth
In reality it's probably just overtuned; you could pull the entire staircase in legion and it was fine
vocal flame
Pika pulls the first two large demon dudes back down to the boulder area seemed to work out well. Imma try that next time
warm plinth
It still hurt if you didn't get dispelled but it wasn't like here's a dot that instantly has enough stacks to do half your HP in one tick
vocal flame
top of the stairs
warm plinth
The bats are definitely a lot more manageable now that only 4 fixate at once instead of all of them
Still requires coordination in his level of keys i'm sure, but it won't instagib people in weekly keys lol
vocal flame
haha
bleak breach
Yeah doesn’t really worry the vast majority of us
Highest I did in there this week was an 18, we walked through it. All we did to was bursting
warm plinth
Oh was anyone else pleasantly surprised to find that the saurids in AD don't burst anymore?
(but dreadpetals in EB do so still fuck you blizzard)
sick sentinel
i did 1 season of heroic raiding and remember why i dont raid
its draining on every level
bleak breach
Heroic is eays
Mythic is the drama
Otherwise you just wait until there’s 1shot Aotc farms and do your weekly in 2 hours
sick sentinel
heroic is drama when clowns are invited
bleak breach
Week 6-8 likely
bleak breach
whats average st damage in raid rn
Average of like all classes? Or like prot war
Always handy to do both raid and M+, atleast heroic. Plenty of trinkets and weapons that are bis in there, plus tier obviously.
sick sentinel
in and LFR or pug normal mode
i cant remember all the specifics but we were at the final boss queen ashzara
and i had my healer friend in there on voice comms with me, and he had inspected the tank after a wipe and noted that said tank was equipped with a green mace weapon, and he got very upset about it
and they said, oky, if yo fuck up again, and you complain we will kick you,, and so they ended up kicking him
blazing condor
Average of like all classes? Or like prot war
sry yeah meant all classes
just tryna look up if my group is decent or not lol
hollow flower
is there a difference between raid ST and raid MT for talents?
bleak breach
Yes
sick sentinel
and the some of the raid was saying like oh ya go green weapon tank guy
blazing condor
amaze
bleak breach
But there’s not really a fight you need to spec multi target for in the new raid, there’s adds but it’s like 1 pack every 30sec to a min. I just got ST all raid
blazing condor
thanks
bleak breach
Can also run off your group parse for speed, if it’s grey your numbers are probably in the lower half.
warm plinth
this is mythic btw, not heroic so sample sizes are fairly small for a good number of these
aff and MM have 2 digit representation in Mythic
bleak breach
I get sticking to your guns and playing what you like, but BM is easy and pumping just make the change.
MM sucks
warm plinth
I find MM to be very boring. BM is faster than it has been with their new tier set/build so you can't even complain about it being slow anymore lol
toxic pewter
mm more fun to me
warm plinth
I have a friend who really enjoys MM as well
I don't see the appeal but idk. In most content it really doesn't matter what you play so
live your dream
echo egret
Few tries at Volocross heroic today, I was taking loads of damage
strong forum
His tank mechanic is unblockable
echo egret
The dot he leaves on you after your cotank has taunted, that felt like the culprit
(more than anything)
like 8 stacks
woven torrent
so in ToTT last boss if the whole floor around the boss is blacked, what am i supposed to do?
if the dpses are not clearing properly
strong forum
You can't do anything
woven torrent
holy fuck we had like 5-10 attempts on it
and everytime i try to stack every add together
and one of the addss never gets kicked xD
and then whole floor will be full
also just wondering but wouldnt it be a viable strategy if everyone put the pools very far away at the edge of the room
and we only clear adds pools?
never saw people do that
zinc robin
I dont understand the wowhead guide. It seems to still list season 2 stuff. Which gear would be the most important to craft by now? I have 2 Sparks of Dreams to use?
median tulip
I dont understand the wowhead guide. It seems to still list season 2 stuff. Whic...
Right now, fill out any weak slots you have, especially Shield and Weapon.
In the long run with max gear, the only slots you ultimately want to have as Crafted are Wrists and Cloak - both with Shadowflame on them. This is because Blizz have nerfed crafted gear so it caps out 3 ilvls lower than the Mythic track gear.
zinc robin
Thank you very much
brittle lake
I dont understand the wowhead guide. It seems to still list season 2 stuff. Whic...
For prot i use allied wrist and sporecloak. Because i like follow the role. Tank with dmg, its not fun for me. I am balboa's pupil
🤣🤣
cinder nova
Don't encourage deeply suboptimal play lol
median tulip
Sporecloak is a poor choice.
torn gulch
double shadowflame is just too good
cinder nova
Honestly, if you're cheap just making wrists and cloak with shadowflame is BIS so you can just make them and completely check out mentally on those slots.
torn gulch
even nerfed by 35%
median tulip
Some of the other crafted pieces are not terrible. I have a ring with Alchemical Flavour Pocket on it, which is handy. Allied Wrists are not terrible, being obviously more defensive than Shadowflame.
But for M+ I would always run Shadowflame for sure
cinder nova
True, but you're not needing them unless you're doing high 20s low 30s
torn gulch
i have pocket on neck and i will probably do that next to 486 and i will run it over any 489 neck
cinder nova
So making them otherwise is just propping up poor play
grand veldt
I really like the 50% increase on potion duration embellishment and the haste pants
median tulip
I went with the Ring because the crafted rings have a free socket and getting sockets is a late-season thing (usually)
grand veldt
I prepot invis to pull the first mage into the opening pull in wcm
torn gulch
yes rings are a very solid craft because they are well statted and have a socket at 486
median tulip
486 rings with socket is better than 489 ring without
grand veldt
I hate those fucking mages so much
cinder nova
Then don't route them
torn gulch
and getting a socketed 489 ring with the right stats will be hard
cinder nova
I don't even mobs whose name has mage in it in WCM
And I've never pulled one to my knowledge
median tulip
mages in WCM?
grand veldt
The runeweaver
grizzled nova
I don't even mobs whose name has mage in it in WCM
the invisible etch ladies
median tulip
Oh those are easy
cinder nova
I don't think they move bud
grand veldt
Lol
cinder nova
There's one to the left both weeks I've been in there
grand veldt
They definitely change which ones spawn each week
Opening week there was 2 in that hallway
Now there's 1
Last week the one in the kitchen didn't spawn
Now it does
grizzled nova
3 of the 4 spawn locations will be active, why they left it that way after opening all the doors
who knows
median tulip
TBH I hadn't realised that
cinder nova
Oversight I'd guess, half the dialogue in the post-raid quests isn't even voiced
median tulip
I just pull and murder things until I have 73%
cinder nova
Can't you LOS the etch wind up
cinder nova
.7s isn't that bad
grand veldt
It's doable but most players are not that quick
cinder nova
Or paying attention
grand veldt
Yeah
cinder nova
Just make Gholak drop 4hed
median tulip
Etch is a check to see if your DPS know how to use Defensives iirc
blazing condor
will come in vault dw
cinder nova
I mean it'll straight merc someone through a defensive on a high enough fort
calm prawn
Dumb question
grand veldt
You can spell reflect the first one if you pull it first
calm prawn
do i ever take off defensive stance?
grand veldt
And all others are put of combst
calm prawn
Like ever in M+?
raw parcel
do i ever take off defensive stance?
The general advice people will give you is to stay in battle stance until you need to be more defensive.
grand veldt
I think if you're just learning prot war staying in defensive till you feel comfortable is fine
Buy yeah
raw parcel
Though if you aren't comfortable staying alive in battle stance, just stay in defensive. Not like your group is going to know.
grand veldt
As you get higher keys you'll want to start helping with dps as much as you can
Generally you're safest during most bosses
blazing condor
the full pug curve has finally been achieved at least 
surely i'll get fyrakk items in my vault now
calm prawn
How hard is it to tank heroic fyrakk?
blazing condor
damage wise it felt fine for me at 468
mechanically its not really hard either
so a pretty easy fight
but im also pretty used to how to play the spec so might not be representative
but it wasnt like very high magic damage or anything you constantly have to mitigate
calm prawn
ok gotchya.
median tulip
So I asked this earlier, but I didn't get an answer: Oh Heroic Nymue I have had an overlap where I have to pick her up again as Active Tank, but I still have the 100% extra damage taken debuff; any idea what causes that? It's reliably at 2m45s into the fight
hardy snow
I've finally get rid of beacon 
blazing condor
pog
blazing condor
So I asked this earlier, but I didn't get an answer: Oh Heroic Nymue I have had ...
isn't that "kind of" how the fight is supposed to be? you run out with your bomb - get the debuff - and the debuff doesnt wear off before the next tank takes bomb
as long as youre mindful of that you can just pop a cd and its fine. you only get 2 bombs each before intermission anyway
so you got time to get it back
hardy snow
now Im getting 2nd fyrak trinket from vault on wednesday and I will get rid of anvil 😄
bleak breach
I've finally get rid of beacon <:deswind:533073964096946176>
Wowee
hardy snow
So I asked this earlier, but I didn't get an answer: Oh Heroic Nymue I have had ...
thats the way it works, you need to have defensives for that moment
median tulip
isn't that "kind of" how the fight is supposed to be? you run out with your bomb...
Every other time, the debuff goes away before she goes back to spamming damage on the active tank. Just on this one time (the second bomb after the intermission) there's a lower overlap and she trucks me with 100% damage bonused casts for around 6s
bleak breach
I got rid of anvil and beacon week 1
hardy snow
I got rid of anvil and beacon week 1
nice 😄
bleak breach
Replaced 1 for eye of rezan and other for the tree branch
blazing condor
Every other time, the debuff goes away before she goes back to spamming damage o...
idk the timings i just know i usually have to tank a few hits with that debuff on
bleak breach
Eye of rezan was only vet quality, but still an upgrade
blazing condor
so i think thats semi intentional
bleak breach
That augury is gonna slap, how much dps did you go up on a st sim?
teal swift
Pat the doggo
median tulip
One or two I can cope with, but 4 is a bit much
toxic pewter
u guys use cheat death trinket or wat? ngl it has saved my ass few times
bleak breach
Na
blazing condor
if i get it i'll use it cus its an upgrade
bleak breach
Just raw dog it with dps trinks apb
bleak breach
Probs depends on level of content too, I know some people use it in mythic
hardy snow
That augury is gonna slap, how much dps did you go up on a st sim?
I dont know sims, but we went gnarloot on M after fyrakk, and it was doing 13-15k dps
bleak breach
Struth
We only 4/9 heroic atm
Couple of groups in my team are 2/9m, I just don’t have time to play in their teams. 3x 3 hours I think they do
hardy snow
Unfortunately no shield drop from Gnarloot 😦
bleak breach
The team I’m in does 2x 2hours a week
bleak breach
Unfortunately no shield drop from Gnarloot 😦
Sad
hardy snow
thats decent prog for 2x2h/week I guess
bleak breach
Yeah we don’t go over because people get tired…
But it keeps things nice and fresh though, if you feel like you’re hitting a wall you’re normally only 30mins off being finished anyway haha
lethal star
What’s the best way to learn tacts for raid as a tank? Never tanked a raid before only healed/dps
cosmic dagger
Hey guys , please I need help. I can Tank 20s without any problem in 463 Gear , but Murozondu is eating me even on 18 . Have any tips for how to survive there?
blazing condor
Hey guys , please I need help. I can Tank 20s without any problem in 463 Gear , ...
the breath is the problem cus it hits hard and leaves a big dot that hurts. First of all you can use heroic leap to leap out of range of the breath which saves you (and your healer) a lot of resources. Other than that you kinda just sit in defensive stance and rotate defensives. Use shield wall/last stand, spell block/spell reflect, Impending victory and just keep ignore pain up
blazing condor
What’s the best way to learn tacts for raid as a tank? Never tanked a raid befor...
there are good guides on youtube that goes through it all. Not any specific tank guides anymore from what ive seen though. a lot is just understanding the fight
besides that its just playing it and getting experience
surreal elm
any advice how to beat 2nd boss in everbloom at 20+?
woven torrent
u just burst right boss with bl
and use whatever u can for the dash
i did it today easy on 450
cosmic dagger
the breath is the problem cus it hits hard and leaves a big dot that hurts. Firs...
Wait the cone attack has a range? And if I'm fast I can get out of it !?
woven torrent
well for me for the boss dash i had to always have max ip def stance minimum
usually used a defensive too to make it easier
there's also that bug spot
that someone showed me
but i didn't get to try it yet
blazing condor
Wait the cone attack has a range? And if I'm fast I can get out of it !?
big range, so you have to be fast when jumping out of it. For first phase the tip is to be ready and pre-run a bit as the ad spawn to make it easier cus he casts it right after spawning the ad
surreal elm
no idea i used shieldwall on 1st and on 2nd last stand + ip wasnt enough
grizzled nova
any advice how to beat 2nd boss in everbloom at 20+?
make sure you're in dstance for every charge, reflect up for every other charge, cycle other major defensives for charges, take spell block if you aren't currently
cosmic dagger
big range, so you have to be fast when jumping out of it. For first phase the ti...
I'm gonna try it TY mate, it's frustrating that it's so hard compared to other bosses
grizzled nova
use your rage tools to pool IP for charges rather than straight dps thruput
blazing condor
I'm gonna try it TY mate, it's frustrating that it's so hard compared to other b...
its a tough boss for us but just keep your CDs rolling and pray your healer can give you some help
but jumping out of it makes it easier
you cant jump every breath though only every other (if you play with bounding stride talent)
woven torrent
is there a list of boss frontals/hard hits u can leap out of?
grizzled nova
Wait the cone attack has a range? And if I'm fast I can get out of it !?
deios frontal 30 yds and oakheart frontal 25yds, both can be outranged with a max distance leap
just leap straight back as soon as the cast starts
cosmic dagger
Roger , nice painting 😁
median tulip
MSPaint Tactical advice FTW
grim pilot
pallid quiver
I was topping DPS charts this morning on my 430 Dorf War alt
Only person who ended up beating me was a 469 DK on the last set of bosses
bleak breach
Best one about LFR is the people who hit the boss once then afk
bleak breach
So I asked this earlier, but I didn't get an answer: Oh Heroic Nymue I have had ...
Sounds similar to echo pre nerf
median tulip
What?
bleak breach
Echo of neltharion had a similar overlap before it got nerfed
median tulip
Oh I see
bleak breach
You took 3-5sec of damage with debuff
median tulip
Yeah... it was kinda chunking me
arctic marten
Hi, I noticed there was a there was a tooltip change to Ignore Pain, which no longer shows how much Ignore Pain is actually granted from the next cast. Is there another method to find the value?
sleek current
On Warcraft Logs, blocked stagger damage is not added as part of the total. Is this the amount of damage you blocked within your total or is at an additional number on top of your total?
mighty valley
Hi, I noticed there was a there was a tooltip change to Ignore Pain, which no lo...
can you just get rage on a dummy, cast it once, and mouse over the buff?
arctic marten
Yes, that method still works, but would not be viable for updating the now broken Ignore Pain weakauras
hushed bluff
deios frontal 30 yds and oakheart frontal 25yds, both can be outranged with a ma...
deios one was hard af i couldn't do it
strong forum
Yes, that method still works, but would not be viable for updating the now broke...
My weakaura works just fine 🤷♂️
strong forum
On Warcraft Logs, blocked stagger damage is not added as part of the total. Is t...
I don't understand what you're asking
arctic marten
This one that i've been using is definitely broken: https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN
Due to using the GetSpellDescription(190456) API
winged slate
On Warcraft Logs, blocked stagger damage is not added as part of the total. Is t...
Are you talking about healing total?
sleek current
Normal and Absorbed equal my total of 44mil
Is the 12mil of blocked damage part of that 44mil or was it a further 12mil of damage that was blocked? Making my true total 66mil?
I suspect the former
hardy snow
Are there any DoTs in new raid that works with second wind like the one on Rashok?
grizzled nova
deios one was hard af i couldn't do it
it's definitely possible, done it dozens of times in the last two weeks
strong forum
Normal and Absorbed equal my total of 44mil
Is the 12mil of blocked damage part...
23mil dmg didn't get mitigated via block or absorb
20mil dmg got mitigated via absorbs
12mil dmg you took via blocking
Is how I understand that
hushed bluff
its one of hardest cuz the cast is faster then oakheart
where should i get the second one
grizzled nova
its one of hardest cuz the cast is faster then oakheart
keep an eye on the frontal timer and spin your camera before the cast starts (I set a 5 sec audible countdown in bigwigs for both frontals), use a '/cast [@cursor]heroic leap' macro and keep your mouse high on the screen and you'll do a max range jump without having to futs with a target
sleek current
23mil dmg didn't get mitigated via block or absorb
20mil dmg got mitigated via a...
That's what I was thinking but, it throws me off because the total damage is the sum of "Normal + Absorbed"
sleek current
Yeah, I was just curious thought I'd ask. Haha
median tulip
People track the value of the Ignore Pain absorb?
sleek current
Not that I'm aware of, I was just looking at total damage taken and from what sources when I noticed this while hovering over myself.
hardy snow
isnt Blocked/staggered the amount of damage that you didnt take due to this mitigation?
strong forum
If it was only 12mil
grizzled nova
People track the value of the Ignore Pain absorb?
as a number, no, but as a bar on top of my healthbar where I can visually see how much absorb vs cap I have, yes
strong forum
Then I'd be seriously concerned
12mil is like 50 auto attacks worth of blocked hits
terse spoke
A dh complained on me and told me to swap class because warriors are useless so i did a comeback
strong forum
His name is fotmcringe
terse spoke
yeah that swapped to dh this tier
strong forum
That alone speaks volumes
sleek current
thats my Fyrakk today for example
Mine was HC Fyrakk as well. I'm assuming you have more mastery than me and did more crit blocks.
hardy snow
Mine was HC Fyrakk as well. I'm assuming you have more mastery than me and did m...
Have you used spellblock?
sleek current
Nah, I didn't use it. That'll be it then
hushed bluff
keep an eye on the frontal timer and spin your camera before the cast starts (I ...
should i use bigwing cuz i already have dbm
sleek current
I didn't feel the pain to be honest. SR into SW every combo felt fine and boss was dead at 4 stacks on me, 6 on co-tank
Tried to squeeze out a bit more damage
median tulip
The state of this:
hardy snow
also frontal and dmg from debuff on his AA in p1/p2 is also blockable
hushed bluff
The state of this:
bro war prot do a lot of damage in that dungeon
grizzled nova
should i use bigwing cuz i already have dbm
I'd imagine you can do the same thing in dbm but I've been using bigwigs for as long as I can remember
so I can't really help there
hardy snow
timers addon is just timers addon, both are fine
hushed bluff
so I can't really help there
u actually help a lot
lusty grotto
median tulip
bro war prot do a lot of damage in that dungeon
Especially with Waycrest being a really free key this season
queen hemlock
em, do i cast shield block on cooldown?
the duration seem to stack
i know the guide says only when you need to but lets say
i chain fight to fight without downtime, casting it on cd is fine right?
cinder nova
Ursine Veng still bugged?
undone verge
i chain fight to fight without downtime, casting it on cd is fine right?
if u run bolster or HR then you can send it on CD, but if you dont run either you might have to watch it
grizzled nova
i chain fight to fight without downtime, casting it on cd is fine right?
for the most part, yes
queen hemlock
ay alright big thanks
grizzled nova
unless you're at the tail end of a pull and the duration would be wasted
max shield block duration is 3x duration
so 24 sec with extended talent, 18 without
grizzled nova
bolster adds hard 15 seconds regardless
ashen coral
Hello, if I have 4p, should I try to maximize 4p buff by using ignore pain before every SS or should I still use it only when I need defense or to not overcap rage ?
grizzled nova
you don't want to hold ss for fervid if that's what you're asking
ability priority stays the same
ashen coral
It is more a question about the use of the rage, if there wasn’t 4p I would use revenge more
ashen coral
Now I use ss when I can but if I can do an ignore pain before I’ll do, but then I don’t have enough rage for revenge
Well actually I still use revenge sometimes but way less than if I didn’t played like that
And maybe it is what gives me aggro issues sometimes
grizzled nova
pwar is doing actual ass aoe damage is what's doing that
bleak breach
We burst aoe well, but we don’t really reach the heights some of the others do
grizzled nova
you're doing 150k dps outside of ravager/troar windows, the dh is blasting 700k
he's gonna rip aggro
queen hemlock
oh em does ignore pain stack or just refeshes the shield to cap
chrome falcon
definitely wouldn't complain about a revenge buff in the next batch of tuning, i don't even think pwarr is weak i just think pressing revenge feels like shit
pallid quiver
Hello, if I have 4p, should I try to maximize 4p buff by using ignore pain befor...
Playstyle and overall incentives stay the same, all that it really means is like, if you need to press IP and SS at the same time, you IP then SS or something along those lines.
You can complete ignore it and still be fine off enough
chrome falcon
like i dont think we need another random aura buff, we kinda blasting on ST
grizzled nova
definitely wouldn't complain about a revenge buff in the next batch of tuning, i...
it's a ss reset fishing button and deep wound applicator
hardy snow
keeping aggro in aoe is quite good with current 4p
pallid quiver
like i dont think we need another random aura buff, we kinda blasting on ST
But execute could use a lil' somethin somethin, if you know what I mean
ashen coral
keeping aggro in aoe is quite good with current 4p
After some times yes but I often have issues at the beginning if I don’t have my cd
pallid quiver
oh em does ignore pain stack or just refeshes the shield to cap
Ignore Pain stacks to 30% of max HP. It'll refresh duration pressing it again, but we don't care about that when sending IP
grizzled nova
After some times yes but I often have issues at the beginning if I don’t have my...
yeh we do excellent st with set, but we're comparatively very anemic in aoe, especially if you're going into a pull without ravager or troar
pallid quiver
I'm just saying that I want Execute to deal 20% of an enemy's max HP
grizzled nova
tclap feels like it has a nonexistent threat modifier
chrome falcon
this is the last 2 minutes of anduin
what happened to this blizz
bring this back
pallid quiver
i miss SL execute
Literally the only thing I miss
chrome falcon
tbf it wasn't so much execute
pallid quiver
One of my favorite things ever is to have my DPS friend talking shit
pallid quiver
And me to go "just wait until execute phase"
pallid quiver
Yeah, that helped a lot, too
grizzled nova
oh em does ignore pain stack or just refeshes the shield to cap
the tooltip shows you the cap, which is 30% of your max hp, the per-cast amount varies with your ap/vers, but generally it's about 1/4th the cap
teal swift
I got automodded
chrome falcon
skill issue
grizzled nova
so stacks 4 times-ish
teal swift
And no idea what was automodded susge
pallid quiver
I just really want to press Execute is the real thing
That's it, that's the button
chrome falcon
maybe they just make execute also eat bleeds
like with the tier set
but even before this tier execute was doggy
just buff its damage by 50% and call it a day 
pallid quiver
Make it deal damage if it did, but leave the bleeds there
Anyhow, beyond making game poipy funny game, I do agree with your Revenge point. It really just feels like a filler button entirely now due to our rage economy and lack of downtime in GCDs. Zero idea how they could adjust that in a meaningful matter, since just upping its damage won't fix the core feedback issue even if it brings parity to aoe
queen hemlock
the tooltip shows you the cap, which is 30% of your max hp, the per-cast amount ...
ah aye big thanks
chrome falcon
the problem is that our last 2 tier sets have made SS increase aoe damage either with TR cooldown or with LS aoe
so going revenge->tc->revenge->tc during avatar just feels like shit
i'd rather just get back to my aoe burst CDs since that's what it's all about
pallid quiver
Make Revenge reduce Ravager CD is what I'm hearing
chrome falcon
make revenge extend ravager duration
pallid quiver
You know what, that's funnier
toxic pewter
delete revenge
pallid quiver
I'm adopting that one
toxic pewter
who with me
chrome falcon
ravager->9 GCDs on revenge in a row
grizzled nova
revenge is fine as a reset button, maybe buff damage on revenge and tclap by 10%, definitely give them a better threat modifier
chrome falcon
i personally preferred revenge in legion having a short CD, costing a good chunk of rage, but doing a shitzillion damage
grizzled nova
our aoe damage is bottom by a not small margin, but the way more annoying part of that is that aoe threat is a legit problem outside of our aoe burst windows
chrome falcon
i dunno i've not had issues with aoe threat
if you don't have ravager, TR, avatar, or challenging shout
that's kind of a skill issue
maybe if you have a chimp havoc
grizzled nova
dh strips off me in the first 5 seconds of the pull constantly if I dont have ravager or troar
grizzled nova
It's never a problem on my ppala is I guess my point
one shield and sotr which happens instantly on every pull and I can't lose aggro
meanwhile charge tclap revenge does fuck all and aggro gets stripped instantly
I dunno I can probably make some adjustments on cd to help the issue, but lose dps doing it.
I just have weird pockets on pwar where it feels like I'm tacking into the wind on aggro that don't happen on other tanks.
copper lion
how are people doing EB on 20+ keys or higher, that second boss wrecks
so much dmg to the group on that splash charge
grizzled nova
good defensive rotation, spell block is effectively mandatory in eb, group is good about not dropping pools on boss
copper lion
not worried about myself, group seems to be dying
grizzled nova
giga nuke one of the two, generally right because it's always caster first
one person reserves kick for heal
copper lion
so not the heal one first? the one that does the toxic bloom?
grizzled nova
heal one only heals if the cast gets off, otherwise does identical damage to the other one
and the other one is always the caster first
keep a kick for the heal cast and stun cast, everyone else kicks on cd
most important part of the fight is just spreading for the charge and not dropping poo on the boss
copper lion
im justt sitting on priority target or do i bounce boss between both?
grizzled nova
sit on prio until it's dead
for the cleave
ranged kick sets healer as focus and just focus kick when it happens
copper lion
yea i mean melee just dropping shit on boss, i don't think melee is ideal for this dungeon
grizzled nova
the sooner one dies you cut the rot damage on the group in half
one needs to die asap
if melee is dropping on the boss they're just playing incorrectly
they should be stepping out when the charge is happening
copper lion
maybe it was the healing, idk, but I fail every single EB i have pugged thus far
at that boss
pallid quiver
So Shield Slam not being your top is instantly concerning
mild sorrel
first key tracking fervid. I felt kinda dumb
grizzled nova
I'm also adding intervene to my list of things to improve warrior utility.
Make it redirect spells as well so warriors can intervene reflect targetted stuff.
That would be legit group utility.
pallid quiver
is this a good breakdown with an aug voker on a timed +20 TOT
We'd have to have a log ti check, but you're probably sending too many outbursts on TC instead of SE
novel temple
I'm also adding intervene to my list of things to improve warrior utility.
Combine intervene and charge back into intercept like wod/legion had it
Add safeguard where intervene is on the talent tree
Or make charge on allies a thing to keep Charge in the game
grizzled nova
intervene as it exists is just such an insanely niche button that doesn't really do anything
being able to intervene and reflect targetted dps nukes would be actually useful
undone verge
intervene hasnt had a use since halls of valor in season 1
broken kite
Neltharus was nice
bleak breach
I can think of 3 very easy buffs without changing any talents or anything to fix a couple of minor ish things. Buff revenge damage (also make it do more on 1 target) buff TC damage and buff shockwave and Stormbolt damage (x amount extra damage vs targets that can’t be stunned)
That’s 4 sorry, got carried away
jagged blade
does prot warrior suck
bleak breach
Nope
Doing pretty well, a little below others on aoe, but exceptional at single target
jagged blade
I feel like I've been pumping on damage in low keys learning it
pallid quiver
does prot warrior suck
Can't even tank +2s
uneven mason
can't wait to see what affix we get with fort tomorrow
bleak breach
can't wait to see what affix we get with fort tomorrow
Aids
That’s what we’re getting
icy flax
do we break 4pc for 2pc 2pc
uneven mason
do we break 4pc for 2pc 2pc
uneven mason
I mean, I clicked it
cerulean tusk
I hope and wish they give prot condemn back. I wanna spam that button 
Make execute talents more viable 
lusty grotto
push week baby
median tulip
can't wait to see what affix we get with fort tomorrow
It should be Fortified/Volcanic/Spiteful
Which is basically a free week, as none of that shit does anything to us
median tulip
Spiteful is just a great week for Protection padding
"What's that you say? A whole week of extra mobs that don't harm us but make the other melee run away? And they take AoE damage?"
nova vector
Sorry if this is a dumb question. How do I get spell re-election damage to show up on my details?
nova vector
Yes sorry
lusty grotto
under spell reflect
cerulean tusk
If not, you can check enemy damage done to themselves
cerulean tusk
I love the phone pic of the screen. Gj on your first BRH, did you pull all the rooms in one go?
nova vector
Haha tech isn’t my strong suit
lusty grotto
shift + windows key + s is your friend
you can just paste here
after you do your selection
anyway thats neither here or there
you can reflect the very first trash but only if they cast on you
and the trash after 1st boss, the arcane dudes, but again only if they cast on you
nova vector
Proof im a quick learner
lusty grotto
if they didnt cast on you while it was up, it wont show up, any failed reflects simply wont show
nova vector
i hit the last boss for 900k and i assume it was a reflected shadowbolt
lusty grotto
nothing from last boss is reflectable
cerulean tusk
You can't reflect the volley? 
teal swift
Probably a fervid bite crit during last boss
lusty grotto
could have just been an outburst ss
with buff
remember you get buffed in the 2nd half of the fight
cerulean tusk
Who can forget, it makes details overall go burrrr
teal swift
remember you get buffed in the 2nd half of the fight
Yeah, 300%
teal swift
Figured bite would be biggest single hit
wind talon
i get rocked during oakhearts grip attack even with shield wall and spaming ignore pain. am i missing something?
lusty grotto
i swear to god we're gonna have to add these to the faq like in s1
cerulean tusk
Just deathstrike, and you will be fine in the grip
lusty grotto
lol
primal crypt
Is the augury any good?
lusty grotto
its good yea
primal crypt
they offered me the heroic one, but I passed to a dps
teal swift
Where is the 2% execute?
Where is execute
cerulean tusk
Very good
teal swift
😦
are you even playing warrior?
drifting river
absolutely crush
stacking debuff shreds warriors yeah 😅
cinder nova
The DOT doesn't bother me
It was more the cataclysmic jaws
And we realized I ripped threat and copped a stack
So it was hitting for a shedload
drifting river
it was the other way around for me, odd 🤔
grizzled nova
Just deathstrike, and you will be fine in the grip <:okayge:917646812519739433>
grip is environmental damage so it doesn't count toward death strike healing
undone verge
That’s because you have dps and healers who can do the bosses
It took my 3 20 falls to get a group who could one shot the 2nd boss and I still had to solo it from 15-0
ionic fern
Ooo, i solod the last 10% of the 3rd ToT boss on a 23 and the last 11% of the AD last boss on 24AD.
Was fun.
ionic fern
It took my 3 20 falls to get a group who could one shot the 2nd boss and I still...
Tbf, that boss can be a pug killer if people don't group for the debuff.
Not as much as the 3rd one, but still.
But luckily, that dungeon is pretty forgiving on time.
teal swift
Ooo, i solod the last 10% of the 3rd ToT boss on a 23 and the last 11% of the AD...
My prot paladin had his shit punched in by totem boss
undone verge
Dps always complain if you try to solo that boss for more than 20% even though it’s like it’ll still be timed even if it takes 6 minutes
teal swift
Even through conc and sotr and s light cd
Totem boss is first time I wanna make s spreadsheet to plan CDs lmao
teal swift
Warrior prolly gonna gobble that shit up like it's nothing
ionic fern
IN DHT.
teal swift
Dht tree monkaS
ionic fern
CHARGE BOY IN EB.
ionic fern
Kinda.
teal swift
My prot paladin died a bunch of charge boy in Ezb I til I figured out
I was running away out of conc
🤣
Started replanting conc, stopped dying
I wish prot warrior had a bit of extra flavour. Let us titan grip a 2h with shield for funzies
ionic fern
The totem boss ain't that horrible. It's just..a ton of extra magic damage.
teal swift
I find the totem part on my other tanks Rips.me apart
I imagine prot warriors mitigation deals with it incredibly well
I've yet to fight it
teal swift
I need to log more
ionic fern
teal swift
My apologies.
ionic fern
Well, "nature" damage to be more precise i guess.
teal swift
That's fucking jank, I thought it was fast physical swings lmao
I'm dumb, ty for the educating me
ionic fern
You live you learn.
It's "100% increased Attack speed and on successful hit it's + magic damage.
novel temple
Should I open my vault as fury tomorrow? To try and get the dps trinket from fyrakk?
I’m also still needing tier though
And fyrakk weapon
woven torrent
I wish prot warrior had a bit of extra flavour. Let us titan grip a 2h with shie...
there was a transmog bug that allowed u to equip 2hs with shield
probably fixed tho
also yea i feel like tott bosses for warrior are super easy except the last one
and last one its cus of pugs being dentge
teal swift
Should I open my vault as fury tomorrow? To try and get the dps trinket from fyr...
Peieorize tank shit
You'll be drowning in DPS trinkets a month from now
woven torrent
is there any other tank trinket i want if i have the cheat death already?
or anything for tank?
teal swift
You don't want the cheat death either
woven torrent
got a haste versa avoidance shield
teal swift
Maybe rage heart
woven torrent
You don't want the cheat death either
looks like thats what people are running tho
jagged pier
No
jagged pier
I almost guarentee u are proccing it
teal swift
They are suboptimal.
jagged pier
So its a wasted slot
teal swift
If you're in the 0.1% that can argue that it's saving push keys
jagged pier
No yuzu, they are good for 2 things, world first progress and world first keys
woven torrent
so why would they be top
teal swift
Sure, but don't use defensive shit for no reason
teal swift
Kyrasis was itemized like a complete clown, wrotr a guide that is absolute shit
#1 bdk world
For rio
Being good, doesn't mean you're making good choices with talents and items
It means you're good mechanically, and have the time to grind.
ionic fern
Cheat death trinkets on tanks are for learning.and comfort
I'm using the cheat death atm.
teal swift
I stand by what I said
cinder nova
if they dont use the best stuff
Because there's only so far skill will take you when numbers eclipse any counterplay.
cinder nova
That's why cheat death trinkets are being used by the top-top-top players.
novel temple
I’m half tempted to use the corrupted Phil for for crit
cinder nova
Literally nobody else needs them because you can counterpaly mechanics by not being doodoo.
Hence, garbo.
teal swift
I like cheat death trinkets, to prevent a misplay from costing more time
Than I'd have gained from the DPS trinkets.
ionic fern
Plz don't ban me blueman
Luckily for you, i think i am in the top 0.1% atm.
teal swift
I'm bad, they my training wheels
woven torrent
subcreation?
winged slate
Subcreation is just usage statistics but people follow it blindly
woven torrent
u mean the wowhead one?
cinder nova
I'm literally telling you that the only reason to run a cheat death trinket is fucking math.
teal swift
It's the alphabetical tier list
winged slate
That's how you end up with literally every shaman using mana spring totem
teal swift
LOL
cinder nova
Like, your numbers cannot survive encounters or mechanics.
Someone needing one in a 16 isn't a proof.
It's a counterpoint.
The only way you'd need it in a 16 is if you're like 390.
woven torrent
That's how you end up with literally every shaman using mana spring totem
i mean i'm never using it for anything else other than seeing trinkets combo
because other stuff is too diverse
winged slate
Nobody even reads what that node does they just take it cause high usage
teal swift
I recommend titrating your defense and itemization based on what you specifically need
I'm sure mwahi has it equipped because he evaluated what he needed to do his task
winged slate
i mean i'm never using it for anything else other than seeing trinkets combo
It's good data if you use your own brain for sure
novel temple
I'm literally telling you that the only reason to run a cheat death trinket is f...
What?
woven torrent
well, currently my trinkets are 437 vial from last season and the cheat death
so that's why i asked if i should go prot for vault
or still dps
teal swift
I would suspect that he isn't wearing it in his weekly 20s lol
woven torrent
cus not sure how good cheat death trinket is compared to others
teal swift
Or on raid encounters that are on farm
woven torrent
on the wowhead guide it's in like B tier
meanwhile everyone else uses it
that was the confusion
cinder nova
Cheat death trinkets exist on a delta that 99.9% of players neither understand nor can act on.
teal swift
cus not sure how good cheat death trinket is compared to others
Offensively, it's akin to chaining a cinder block around your ankle trying to swim.
cinder nova
In other words, again, garbo.
undone verge
Cheat death trinkets are always gonna be good on tier lists
teal swift
Defensively, it's a good cheat.
novel temple
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1178964711501...
Ahhhh.
teal swift
Cheat death trinkets exist on a delta that 99.9% of players neither understand n...
Counter point, cheat death trinkets are good for learning content.
woven torrent
Cheat death trinkets are always gonna be good on tier lists
well the thing is its not
on wowhead atleast
cinder nova
Counter point, cheat death trinkets are good for learning content.
Learning wrong is objectively bad, no.
teal swift
Learning wrong is objectively bad, no.
You aren't learning to rely on it
cinder nova
You literally are.
novel temple
Mostly pushing we keys where things will kill you
woven torrent
Mostly pushing we keys where things will kill you
yeah same
winged slate
Cheat doesn't hurt my feelings on high tyrannical Oakheart
teal swift
No. You're learning the content with training wheels, when the the training wheels stop being useful you replace it.
woven torrent
im still undergeared and shit that i dont know about could sometimes kill me or get me to 10% in one second
so the trinket helps me learn to use something next time
teal swift
im still undergeared and shit that i dont know about could sometimes kill me or ...
Logging will help
cinder nova
No. You're learning the content with training wheels, when the the training whee...
100% of the time learning how to play your class properly is going to be better.
cinder nova
Not really.
ionic fern
I use the cheat death because:
1)It's my only other trinket at 470+ ilvl
2)I usually game it at specific points.
cinder nova
Because other people on the road can actually kill you.
winged slate
Other people in my keys can kill me
cinder nova
You're pretty much almost entirely responsible for your own living or dying assuming your healer isn't comatose.
undone verge
well the thing is its not
It’s b+ on wowhead and the listed best defensive trinket, 11th top trinket 2nd/3rd that can be obtained through m+
winged slate
See: my healer on rezan
teal swift
Either way, if you're learning ,use cheat, check log for where it procs,
Fix issues
When it stops proccing, take it off
winged slate
Sometimes the seatbelt saves me from other people, sometimes it saves me from myself
teal swift
bro i can just check in game where it procs
Logs >
woven torrent
like u have a whole ass effect
undone verge
Usually I know before it procs tbh
ionic fern
Doesn't matter from where you check it.
As long as you realise what made it proc.
And if it was your own bad play.
Or something else.
woven torrent
yea thats what i mean
u can tell like 90% of the time instantly what made u proc it
teal swift
It's a good set of training wheels. Proc it, analyze gameplay, stop proccing it 👌 new trinket
novel temple
But like, besides Rise last boss Deios, is there really anything deadly for us in m+ this season?
teal swift
u can tell like 90% of the time instantly what made u proc it
On my other tanks, it's usually mismanagement of CDs, bad resource management from 20s ago, etc.
cinder nova
I guarantee it's gonna reinforce neglectful behavior.
ionic fern
But like, besides Rise last boss Deios, is there really anything deadly for us i...
Deios is not that deadly.
teal swift
But like, besides Rise last boss Deios, is there really anything deadly for us i...
You canwap deus breath
undone verge
Cheat trinkets for learning are good in theory but as someone who needed them to do 18s in shadowlands I definitely was building bad habits of having them proc then playing super defensively between cooldowns because I had lost my safety net
ionic fern
DHT Oakheart wrecks.
teal swift
Leap
novel temple
Deios is not that deadly.
Really?
cinder nova
Oak is honestly the scariest dungeon boss in the entire season atm.
ionic fern
Yes.
winged slate
Rezan bleed, Oakheart grabbing your balls, Deios breath
teal swift
Cheat trinkets for learning are good in theory but as someone who needed them to...
Fair enough, relying on them can be bad
teal swift
Eventually almost everyone should be taking them off
novel temple
You canwap deus breath
What is wap in this context?
woven torrent
i mean i just play like normal everytime lmao
woven torrent
cheat death is just there if the very unfortunate happens and i dont wanna waste 2 mins walking back to the pull/boss to do it all over again
novel temple
But oakheart is deadly now?
ionic fern
Oakheart in DHT and Leapy boy in EB (unless you cheese) are the 2 horrid ones that have stood out for me thus far.
novel temple
I remember in legion it wasn’t that bad
teal swift
Oak heart fucking wrecks
cinder nova
Yeah, he doesn't care about AM atm.
winged slate
Oakheart is fucked up, it's a little unethical
ionic fern
Oakheart was always deadly.
novel temple
And that’s when I think you couldn’t do anything while gripped
cinder nova
Oak was just an AM check in Legion, no?
ionic fern
Pretty sure it was magic damage then as well.
undone verge
Fair enough, relying on them can be bad
The problem is good intentioned players that are using them to learn content probably are also the same players that aren’t confident in their spec and the safety net reinforces the same poor gameplay that procs the trinket because they feel like it doesn’t matter since they didn’t technically die, then the stress from losing the safety net forces them to fall into playing even more defensively which creates other issue and ultimately creates more dangerous situations
cinder nova
Talk about unintuitive game design.
This giant tree monster grabs you up! He's squeezing the life from you, crushing you!
Oh good thing I have plate armor
IT'S MAGIC DAMAGE
undone verge
Nature damage hurts the most because all wow players are weak to grass
teal swift
Nature damage hurts the most because all wow players are weak to grass
There's a neck for that
woven torrent
oh yeah is there something specific u can do to lower the grab damage?
or do u just tank it with a defensive
and hope for the best
undone verge
oh yeah is there something specific u can do to lower the grab damage?
Leap breath so you actually have ignore pain for the grip
cinder nova
That's why Vegeta was slapping Goku's cheeks in S1 of DBZ - the squeeze he did as Ozaru was fucking MAGIC.
teal swift
oh yeah is there something specific u can do to lower the grab damage?
Plan cooldown usage
grizzled nova
oh yeah is there something specific u can do to lower the grab damage?
wall and reflect are you only dr options
and you can't have wall for every grip
grizzled nova
so it gets real scary real quick
woven torrent
does spell block not work? i cant remember
cinder nova
No.
woven torrent
i've done thee dung on 20 but died at like 5% left
teal swift
wall and reflect are you only dr options
Shield wall, last stand, reflect, impending victory
woven torrent
lmao
cinder nova
Yeah if you got cookie and pot, you can live lord it
grizzled nova
last stand and victory rush help but they aren't dr
cinder nova
They don't have to be.
undone verge
I feel like for keys under 22 oak hearts main problem is just the breath before hand, cause if I leap the breath and actually have full rage and full IP going into grip it’s just a snooze fest
grizzled nova
I'm just saying, it's environmental damage so you can't block/parry it and demo shout doesn't work on it
teal swift
last stand and victory rush help but they aren't dr
They are good tools to help you live
teal swift
What's the race that has 1% nature damage reduxtion
woven torrent
I feel like for keys under 22 oak hearts main problem is just the breath before ...
yea i didnt know back then to leap away
cinder nova
boom
woven torrent
learnt after it
teal swift
Nelf?
undone verge
Why tf is crushing grip environmental damage?
cinder nova
Because Blizz wanted tanks to suffer immensely.
A giant tree squeezing you with its big tree hand is not only not physical damage sourced by the tree squeezing you, but environmental magic damage.
woven torrent
tanks are opressed fr
undone verge
This is bullshit I’m going to bed
ionic fern
oh yeah is there something specific u can do to lower the grab damage?
Dstance + CD + full bar of Rage for IP spam.
undone verge
No wonder my bdk was getting fucked on a 19
cinder nova
Make one mistake and people are up your ass, go too slow and people whine, go to fast and people die because they can't figure out how not to overlap CC/kicks.
ionic fern
I don't even use Demoralizing shout on that fight on CD.
cinder nova
But if you go at just the right pace
ionic fern
I plan it for grips.