protection

[pallid quiver]

If you're also in a position where you can't even do damage, you might as well sit in Defensive Stance (running out Larodar charge, for example)

[blazing condor]

thats why you dont run out of the charge so you can deal damage

[pallid quiver]

i need that ptsd gone, thank you

[blazing condor]

did him normal where you dont have the group damage

you could comfortably sit there if you wanted

[pallid quiver]

well, when he has 3 orbs on heroic, you've gotta move him a bit or suddenly you might be the only one left in the raid

[blazing condor]

soak issue

[pallid quiver]

and then the DPS blame the healers for not healing vines

and the healers blame the DPS for not killing trees

and the tank who caused the issue gets out scot free because tanks are blameless

[blazing condor]

as long as tanks stay alive

they can do no wrong

[pallid quiver]

unless they rip aggro, then you're not engaging in proper aggro control

gotta keep your aggro controlled, boss

[blazing condor]

if you as the tank rip aggro its your fault

thats what ive learnt

[pallid quiver]

i've been kicked for ripping aggro on pull

not even around a tank swap mechanic

just on pull

god that bear still lives rent free in my head

i hate raid tanks so much

[blazing condor]

[pallid quiver]

The worst people in the world

[blazing condor]

dw its not like our bis items comes from the raid or anything

[pallid quiver]

the biggest benefit of tanking to me is that you see less of the complete megalomaniacs of people who tank

who just have the most wild fucking egos of anyone I've ever had the unfortunate experience to even witness their actions

and considering i like to read reports on history and try to keep loosely interested in random historical developments,

that's a lot of asshats you passed up, boss

[blazing condor]

ppl who mainly raid tank just do their tacts and stay alive

go full turtle

and believe that is the way

so as soon as you do dps its the whole "just stop dps, its not your job" thing

and you stand there auto-swinging with "high threat" for 8 minutes

[pallid quiver]

problem is those guy fucking died and just blame heals/DPS, and refuse to acknowledge anything other than themselves as The Ubermensch

It floors me that it's literally that bad with some of those people

[flint laurel]

Do we prefer wafting devotion or sophic devotion for m+? I see both enchants being used so I wonder what's the best

[pallid quiver]

Sim, mostly

iirc Wafting will start to be better with higher ilvl, but it's mostly a sim question

[uneven mason]

did a Galakrond lastnight.......had a pug HDH with us that died 16 times, barely timed it.....

and hes get the sandglass

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[pallid quiver]

The more blood you spend, the better your chances of clearing and getting loot

learn to play like shit and you, too, will get every bis item

[uneven mason]

I swear

IF I didn't have to carry these pugs on my back I'd get myself killed 20x just to assure a drop

[teal swift]

Prot Warrior is fine

[uneven mason]

BDK is ahead of us in damage

isn't it?

I'd say we need a solid 20-25%

aura buff

Because that's just unacceptable

[pallid quiver]

In raid as a whole, not at the top end of players in Heroic

[teal swift]

Prot Warrior is just really fun

[pallid quiver]

But as soon as you get below the top end of players, prot war go way down in damage

[teal swift]

If I can get gaurentee'd heroic fyrakk kills

To try to funnel me a heroic axe

I'd be happy

[pallid quiver]

so basically, don't play like shit and it's fine :L

[teal swift]

I'm Yuzu

What the fuck u expect

I'm just gonna wait for aotc prices to drop

Pay like 1m gold for axe

And be happy

I don't raid, maybe we build a raid team

But it's a lot of work 😢

I need to unretire Slimegirl

[pallid quiver]

i feel like there may have been a miscommunication

i'm still talking about the difference between 99th percentile war and like 80th percentile and below

[teal swift]

Oh

My lOL

[hushed bluff]

is it worth to recraft my lariat?

[strong forum]

No, it's pretty shit unless you have full 8 sockets on your character

[hushed bluff]

then should i try for tot neck?

[bleak breach]

Yeah

[hushed bluff]

what about rings

[bleak breach]

Kinda, we do get absolutely smashed by some of these bosses in comparison to other tanks.

[hushed bluff]

like oakheart and tot last 2 boss

[bleak breach]

Also anyone had issues with Heroic Larodar. 90% of time my health barely moves from charges but every now and then I’m just dead gone.

[bleak breach]

Yep

Rings, nearly ever dungeon has a haste vers ring or crit haste ring this season. So craft 1 with flavor pocket and take your pick for other

But until week 6 use double dungeon rings and eat whenever you die

[hushed bluff]

i have these rings

i use first two

[bleak breach]

Yeah there’s heaps, can’t go too wrong really.

[teal swift]

Just leap the breath

And watch brew masters

[hushed bluff]

bro i have no idea how to leap or when to leap his breath

[teal swift]

If you ping nomer maybe he has a vid for you

[jagged gust]

Watch out, he bites

[blazing condor]

if you have any form of boss timers just look when he's about to cast then heroic leap away and u dodge

preferably you jump backwards so u dont roulette ur group

[toxic pewter]

Ngl the leaping during deios I am not a fan of and I personally do not do it

I find a way to power through

[sick sentinel]

so......

does key pugging go to crap on tuesday

cuz everyone has ksm

my assumption is the good players will break off or stop playing keys as much

[harsh trellis]

I would think people will still be pushing the higher keys for vault

so you can still get into some good pugs

[drifting river]

gift over tainted rageheart now?

[hushed bluff]

@strong forum do u have video about war prot HL oakheart breath?

[winged slate]

Yeah I'm already 2300 but still need 18s for vault at least. I'll slowly be pushing up each week

[hushed bluff]

i think u can get brh 20 weekly if u wanna get vault

that dungeon is so easy

[harsh trellis]

AD, WM, or BRH

[winged slate]

18 maxes out vault potential IIRC, but I'll definitely be looking for 20s soon

[hushed bluff]

ad is not easy anymore u need atleast 5 min for last boss

[harsh trellis]

its still an easy fight

the issue is if the tank plants.

Keep the boss moving fast around the room away from spiders

[winged slate]

It's basically just if someone loses focus and steps on a spider, which is pretty lame

[hushed bluff]

yeah

[hushed bluff]

those spiders hurt so much i got one of them and active my cheatdeath trinket

like its cost me 1.1m hp

[harsh trellis]

also, if 2 evokers show up to a group and one of them goes.. "oh I guess I can swap to dps" just drop group.

oddly specific issue but....

[winged slate]

I love a good devastation evoker

They can slam

[hushed bluff]

aug is so bad at ad like i was running around for 6 min

like boss got 70m hp and u need to kill him with two 120k dps

[dawn crane]

Any idea what to target farm next? (I'm only doing keys)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mKLtyr7iBCga4jrgCj6Jkm

I'm kinda even on stats currently, trinkets seem to be fine-ish too.

[blazing condor]

ur neck isnt that good

TOTT neck is mega nice

[toxic pewter]

I got tott neck without even trying to get it

[shut flare]

why are there no rankers in m+ logs?

[jagged pier]

so they can make excuses for when they die

[sick sentinel]

i can probably just get the wcm cloak for now, easier dungeon for me overall

need intermediate one for now

[vocal flame]

damn i passed that neck up last week in the vault for legs haha but I needed them

[blazing condor]

big haste big crit

shouldve taken it

[frozen rose]

can fyraak's abilities cause damage to the healy adds? like his frontal for ex

[blazing condor]

the blaze lines do iirc

damn you public order cap

[toxic pewter]

Lol just keep claiming the order every 30 minutes for thenext 17 hours

[blazing condor]

i feel like 1k haste ring should be good from council

but is it mid

everything else ive gotten sims higher (understandably cus no crit and stuff but)

[untold isle]

guys any advice how to play the second boss in everbloom on 20+ the ancients? the charge just liquidates me, like on 5th I got no cds to use?

[jagged pier]

D stance, rotate CDs, save pot and IV, leap and charge out of the stufff on the ground. get ppl to move away from the boss you chraging/leaping too

[untold isle]

thats what i do pretty much

what is IV?

[blazing condor]

impending victory

our victory rush

[untold isle]

ye

i use it

[blazing condor]

you also got the LOS behind the tree

[untold isle]

right after i charge back

[blazing condor]

but its a bit janky

doesnt always work

[median tulip]

It's Spell Blockable, so use that too

[toxic pewter]

Just gotta have a decent party also that doesn’t drop the green crap in bad positions all the time

Find that quite annoying

[golden trout]

should i be crafting a shield or whats the best way to get one

[silent vessel]

depends

[drifting river]

there's a good shield from Gnarlroot so people generally go for something else. Most craft the embellishment pieces right away

[golden trout]

ok so basically farm one with prot loot spec then after that swap to fury loot?

[chilly brook]

Second boss in EB doesn’t feel that bad

Especially in context of other bosses in rotation

[untold isle]

i dont really have problem with any other boss except of this one
😒

[blazing condor]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AnnoyingFlaccidPangolinPMSTwin-hw3flDTxi1srhcq_

[chilly brook]

Brother 2nd boss in DHT is infinitely worse

As is Deios

[blazing condor]

dht is worse than deios so far for me

[median tulip]

The tree? He's really not that difficult IMEx

[blazing condor]

havent done any big rise keys tho

[chilly brook]

The tree trucks bruv

[blazing condor]

thats the first time ive ever seen IMEx

[chilly brook]

What key levels you doing

[blazing condor]

but it makes sense

[median tulip]

Yeah, but MUCH less frequently than the EB Council guy, and it's a very static fight

[median tulip]

I've timed +19 DHT, got thoroughly owned by EB+18

[chilly brook]

Because on a 19+ you have a very real chance of just dying in the grip

[median tulip]

To be fair, I have a static with a Disco Priest - so I Wall the first grip, Pain Supress the second, Wall the 3rd

[chilly brook]

I’ve actually felt like disc is extremely underwhelming this season

But I could just be playing with bad priests

Disc and pally feel like bait healers rn

MW and Druid stonks are high

[median tulip]

If I was pugging I would probably consider talenting Immovable Object on Tyr weeks, just for covering the grip

[limpid estuary]

DHT tree boss and EB 2nd boss haven’t really been an issue for me. But final boss in rise fucks me up

Maybe I’m doing something wrong. I seem to get hit the harder when the adds are out

[median tulip]

Deios is a twat, this is true. You can jump and outrange his breath though

[limpid estuary]

it’s not even the breath. I rot the fuck out when the adds are up

[chilly brook]

The adds clap

[median tulip]

They can be hard stopped I think

[limpid estuary]

Is the add damage spell block able? Idk what it’s called or id check the sheet

[median tulip]

My DPS just murder them

[limpid estuary]

Oh, you can stun them?

[wheat bronze]

Pretty sure you can't CC (or interrupt) them at all. The double set should just be spell blocked.

[lilac bloom]

how many fire seed can we soak for heroic tindra

[pallid quiver]

However many will kill you -1

[untold isle]

is there are WA that tells us when to best spellreflect on boss or trash ?

[pallid quiver]

It really depends on how geared you are and where your healers are at in terms of keeping you alive

[wheat bronze]

You really shouldn't need to soak a significant number if people are actually helping. I normally get 8-10 or so per seed set, with most of the raiding getting 2-4 each.

[pallid quiver]

Your brain

There are SR weakauras, but they can actually.potentially bait you into reflecting the wrong thing. On top of that, there's some casts like last boss of Tides where you have to intentionally cause the reflectable cast

[chilly brook]

I mean some of yall are like 470+ with 4 set so that could also be by you’re not having issues on tree boy

It’s brutal at barely 460

[lilac bloom]

as a prot warrior

i get eaten by soaking too many

i soak 2 at most

and 3rd one is death for me

[wheat bronze]

Are you talking about seeds or mushrooms?

[lilac bloom]

seed

the little ones

in p2 and p3

what do u do when u run over them

cos they take alot of damage

[wheat bronze]

I swap Defensive Stance and Shield Wall

Even at 7 stacks, it only did about 100k

and if you run over multiple that are stacked, you can cheese it a bit and both instances will do their damage based on the lower debuff count

They're also Spell Blockable, so if I have it running still, don't really need anything else

[lilac bloom]

ok.. i guess ill use spell block up then

and run them

[haughty sleet]

which boss hurts the most this season

[pallid quiver]

For M+ on Prot War, probably Deios

[verbal hornet]

Jumping out of breath helps a ton

On deios

[haughty sleet]

I’ve been in dht prison trying to get the ring, oakheart kinda hurts

[verbal hornet]

Can also jump out of breath

[haughty sleet]

Like range it?

[verbal hornet]

Yeah

[haughty sleet]

Interesting ty

[grizzled nova]

take 30s leap talent in dht and rise

can leap every breath on oak and every other breath on deios

[delicate sluice]

the healer gave me this mace, is it acc good?

that's the one that I'm using rn

[harsh mulch]

Whats the big Spell reflect on archmage sol ?

[hollow sun]

casters mace

[harsh mulch]

Do all 3 do the same dmg

arc blast/frostbolt/firebal

[grizzled nova]

yeh they all do ish the same damage

you can reflect every other cast

it's a fuckton of damage on that fight, should be your highest by a wide margin

[harsh mulch]

im dps but is it something worth Taunt/sr ?

On tyr

[grizzled nova]

I don't think there's ability timers associated with it but I might be wrong, she always does 2 per cycle tho

[harsh mulch]

Ahhh

youre right

thanks!

[vocal flame]

So just leaping backwards away from it and running for dear life?

[grizzled nova]

don't even need to run

[blazing condor]

Dont have to run

Just jump

Especially on tree

You can pre-run the breaths in p1 deios cus he does if after spawning ads

[vocal flame]

Ah ok cool Ty!

[left trout]

are we still prio tc in aoe with the 4p?

for dmg

[restive scroll]

Dangerous though, adds melee cac

[strong forum]

Tc was never prio in aoe for dmg

Or at least not this xpac

[left trout]

ok. was looking at the wowhead and it shows it during avatar

as above ss

[blazing condor]

[left basalt]

does anyone have a clip of leaping the deios breath? i can't seem to position myself correctly...

[violet flume]

i mean, the breath has a max range, just leap where theres no yellow

dont do it to the side hell just follow you

[dull sleet]

Its a bit weird, just turn the camera 180 and jump straight away from him, it's a bit weird the first few times

[left basalt]

i felt like i max ranged it and still took the dot and was in narnia afterwards

[dull sleet]

It's a jump through the whole arena so you don't take the hit yea

[blazing condor]

You gotta be quick

Thats all

[restive scroll]

leap before the breath at max range, and walk a bit more

cast is quick, and your travel time is slower

[left basalt]

alrighty, try again next time

[vocal nimbus]

What do you pop for the breaths you cant leap out of?

[restive scroll]

reflect, dstance & shield wall, shield block to loose less ignore pain

[left basalt]

the boss dies, i just haven't been able to use that as a cd successfully yet

[pallid quiver]

Spell Block also reduces the initial hit and blocks the cast from the adds, so ot helps a lot

[bronze urchin]

What should I go with :(( ursine or sandglass

[blazing condor]

[sick parcel]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/GiftedOnerousCardMrDestructoid-NY2VTOl6efoOpA2d

Is this a bear only thing or can all tanks play hide n seek

[winged slate]

There's a leap spot we can do it IIRC

#protection message

I don't see why the LoS would be specific to bears though

[sick parcel]

Size

[shut summit]

can los there just the same

[sick parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[storm geyser]

Hi, how do you survive the second boss of DHT, everytimes he grabs me, i'm f*****, can't reflect, can't parry, block or evade as well :/

[shut summit]

alternate CDs well, go into grip with full rage bar, dont send demo shout on CD

[storm geyser]

so demo shout + wall on grip + spam rage

[wind oak]

i can 100% tell you yes

[storm geyser]

thanks i'll try that

[shut summit]

demo shout + reflect should be up for everyone of them

alternate shield walls, i would hold ravager for a little just for some extra rage gain too

[vocal nimbus]

Leaping out of the breath frontal makes a big difference as well

You into the grip with no strain before it whatsoever

Go*

[shut summit]

i lived it on a 26 but the boss is wild for tank dmg

ye def avoid the breath

think you can just run out to avoid it and not waste leap and use leap on the toss after but timing can be weird

[sick sentinel]

they removed the frontal on the 2nd boss fall?

only ever see it do the balls now

[restive scroll]

Yes, quite borring

[restive scroll]

I was able to after the bump, but that's a long kitting.
I don't know if you can just walk out of it, didn't try yet

[surreal kindle]

What's a solid / defensive M+ build? Quite a few sources and they seem to different slightly but more or less the same

[left trout]

theres some builds in the pins one is the more turtly one they labelled it push build

[surreal kindle]

Seems to be outdated

[sick sentinel]

ppl still fuck up the final boss lots

mc's on 3rd boss

[cosmic wyvern]

why does wowhead list the best M+ neck for prot as one with vers/mastery lol

[strong forum]

?

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if

[strong forum]

They're perfectly up to date

[sick sentinel]

rings and necklaces mostly, will become that like the crafted ones are slightly better overall sicne you can control stats, just plane jane of those

cuz i dont think you get str on those slots or something

[cosmic wyvern]

that build seems fine, only thing I would change is bloodsurge for bolster (but that's just because I really like bolster. it's personal preference)

bloodsurge is probably objectively better but idk

also I run bounding stride over pain and gain but again, personal preference

[surreal kindle]

Which is better for survivability Brutal Vitality or fueled by violence?

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter

[surreal kindle]

I can't even import it to see it cuz says its for an old talent tree or something

[cosmic wyvern]

both are pretty equal IIRC. choose whichever one you like most

I usually see brutal vitality recommended tho

[surreal kindle]

can't find bounding stride lel

[surreal kindle]

Aha, thank you. I'm jsut trying a good senes of how the talent tree works 😛

[cosmic wyvern]

funny heroic leap -> move speed bonus

[surreal kindle]

How much of a difference is it if I keep both at the expense of sidearm?

Also seismic reverberation vs barbaric training. Would barbaric training be better for this week since it's tyrannical ?

[warm plinth]

We don't change builds between fort and tyr, and no, barbaric training is never good.

[cosmic wyvern]

fuck barbaric training

[strong forum]

sidearm does 2% of your overall dmg, barbaric training generally makes you less tanky as you waste more rage on revenge

[cosmic wyvern]

all my homies hate barbaric training

[surreal kindle]

Does that mean sidearm is worth it?

[jolly crystal]

Can you spell block the fire bit of Larodar's charge?

[strong forum]

absolutely, kren

[warm plinth]

2% of your overall for 1 talent point is quite solid

and it's a point that otherwise is not going to give you any damage

[strong forum]

no

[surreal kindle]

Ah okay

[strong forum]

free dmg is free dmg

[surreal kindle]

How about into the fray Vs Heavy Repercussions?

[strong forum]

if you have enough haste you can run ITF

[surreal kindle]

I want to feel tanky generally that's why I like warrior moment i feel panicky on passive damage it gets stressful

[strong forum]

if you dont have enough haste, stick with HR

[surreal kindle]

39% passive haste atm, lel

[strong forum]

how much stats

[warm plinth]

Rating is what matters, not the stat

[surreal kindle]

6k

[strong forum]

thats enough ye

[surreal kindle]

Can you explain why, please?

[surreal kindle]

So into the fray is the better options

[warm plinth]

Because rating is what determines the diminishing returns. Plus too often we get people who give us the amount of haste they have AFTER ItF, so it's safer to get the rating from people than the %.

[potent anvil]

I assume this sucks, but finally got 1h weapon

[strong forum]

we have %haste gains from talents, and if people are currently using ITF and surrounded by 5 people, they have vastly inflated %

[warm plinth]

It's decent in ST I imagine, like it was in BFA.

[strong forum]

its the 2nd best ST weapon

but obv terrible for overall

[potent anvil]

[strong forum]

also get wafting

sims better

[potent anvil]

Oh

I will after

[warm plinth]

Does this mean we get deswind back on prot instead of stinky arms

[potent anvil]

[warm plinth]

[timber nest]

is it a DPS increase to send SS on CD with procs, or should i reapply dots first if i have 2P proc?

[strong forum]

send SS if ready

[timber nest]

kk

[surreal kindle]

Another comparison I'd like to better understand: Defender's Aegis VS Impenetrable wall

[strong forum]

imp wall nets you more overall SW uses and increases SS rage gen by 20%

[cinder storm]

One is a shield the other is a wall

[strong forum]

defenders aegis is only good if you ABSOLUTELY need 4 shieldwalls in 3 minutes or 2 SWs in 30 seconds

[indigo karma]

Anyone know if Servant Splitter's effect is a bleed for 4pc? curious if its good or not for prot

[strong forum]

does not

[surreal kindle]

Is ever needing to use 2x shield walls b2b ever a practical case?

[warm plinth]

it specifically mentions the bleeds that are impacted in the tooltip

[uneven mason]

Not really

[surreal kindle]

How about battering ram, any defensive value or a flat dps increase?

[uneven mason]

What's it say

[warm plinth]

It has defensive value as well by giving you more shield slam resets which means more rage and more brace for impact uptime.

[vocal nimbus]

it was in diurna

[indigo karma]

thanks, yeah im a warrior, i cant read

[warm plinth]

I fel that

[uneven mason]

[warm plinth]

yes, faster auto attacks = more shield slam resets

[surreal kindle]

Ah sorry I responded to the wrong person lel

[surreal kindle]

How about battle-scarred veteran? Why is it never an option in any build?

[strong forum]

cuz its shit

[surreal kindle]

Instead of focused vigor for example

[hazy bronze]

V bugged

[median tulip]

Because iit's terrible

[warm plinth]

gigabugged and it's not a cheat death like people seem to think it is.

[strong forum]

focused vigor is 6-7% damage why would you ever want to give that up

[surreal kindle]

Still? Figured it'd be patched by now

[uneven mason]

It's never worked properly, and isn't needed in proper gameplay

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

cheat death on a tank is good in single player game not good in competitive multiplayer game

[warm plinth]

Even if it worked properly, it's still not a cheat death

[median tulip]

You don't need a Cheat Death if you just... don't die.

[sick sentinel]

its a qausi cheat death

[warm plinth]

It's not at all a cheat death

[strong forum]

its a bad proc

[uneven mason]

But it would have situational use

[surreal kindle]

Aha okay, thank you

[warm plinth]

That's like saying ppal's guardian of ancient kings proc is a cheat death

It's just not

[surreal kindle]

It's pretty powerful though tbh

[grizzled nova]

pseudo cheat, but kings proc on ppala is very good

45s cd

[surreal kindle]

The paladin one

[sick sentinel]

it prevents you from dying easily, like a cheat lol, im not saying it IS cheat death bsv, it feels like it

[surreal kindle]

What can I give up for disrupting shout because I feel it comes in really handy sometimes

[strong forum]

bloodsurge

or thunderlord

[bleak breach]

Purgatory is the only real cheat death, but even then if you don’t heal enough you die anyway

[sick sentinel]

giving up bloood surge is cursed imo

[uneven mason]

It triggers on raw intake, this you can be at 99% health, mitigate a hit by 95% but the raw hit was enough to cap you, it triggers and goes on cd

[warm plinth]

Last Resort, Cheat Death, Cauterize are all cheat deaths.

[strong forum]

cheat deaths are a crutch to the game

remove em all

[warm plinth]

Because they literally prevent you from taking fatal damage

[median tulip]

I wouldn't give up Bloodsurge. This season already fells less good for Rage

[strong forum]

🔥

[grizzled nova]

last resort is a real as well

[grizzled nova]

our rage economy is fine without it if you want other utility

[warm plinth]

Disrupting Shout is not as useful as it might appear to look on the surface either 🤷

There's like one pack I can think of this rotation that it would be useful on and it would just be that one pack

[bleak breach]

Sorry, yes forgot about our evil friends the dh

[uneven mason]

You shut your mouth

[warm plinth]

Ardent Defender on ppal is also an actual cheat death

[surreal kindle]

Aha, at least i know what to change it for if I ever need it

[warm plinth]

As well as Guardian Spirit from priests

[median tulip]

Out of interest, which pack?

[warm plinth]

the 5 aquamage pack in Throne

[grizzled nova]

1.5m cd on disrupting shout is actually just disrespectful tbh.

[warm plinth]

It's the only pack where a significant amount of mobs are going to actually be casting at the same time

[surreal kindle]

Another question, why is crit important overall for warriors? What's the theory crafting behind it? I know damage builds into our gameplay but I haven't fully grasped how

[uneven mason]

I use disrupting when I have too many mobs to be fucked to target the one important kick

[median tulip]

I always leap into the middle of those and Spell Reflect their first cast

[bleak breach]

I haven’t found dropping bloodsurge to be too bad rage wise. Depends what dungeon I guess, but I find in places like everbloom or ToT I get rage capped all the time because if all the adds

[surreal kindle]

It should be 45 sec to 1 min like paladin shield thingy lol

[strong forum]

crit = parry

parry = good

[warm plinth]

Crit gives us parry chance, which in keys is huge. It's less strong (defensively) in raid because you take far fewer parryable attacks, but it's still one of our strongest dps stats

[grizzled nova]

yeh it would actually be useful if it were a 45s cd, too much opportunity cost for far too situational a use case as it only silences if it interrupts

[uneven mason]

Crit?

Sorry, it's a classic

[bleak breach]

Anyone had any issues with Larodar? Every now and then I’ve been flat out 1 shot be the charge but then other times I take literally 0 damage

[warm plinth]

jesus that is an old ass log

[uneven mason]

[grizzled nova]

intimidating shout is in every conceivable way a worse misery sigil, disrupting shout is in every conceivable way a worse silence sigil, both have a high opportunity cost to take and we don't get two charges of them

truly sadge

[uneven mason]

Is the other tank taunting mid cast?

[bleak breach]

Hmm I think so?

[median tulip]

Opinion: Shockwave is too difficult to get to in our talent trees

[uneven mason]

If they don't he can slap you in the 1 instant after the charge

The charge itself does next to nothing

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9HBc8xGXwmd6Npbz#fight=last

[bleak breach]

That could be it, I think it was the charge itself. But I don’t know

[sick sentinel]

this is a run i did today

[grizzled nova]

baseline shockwave, make it a knockup instead of a stun, move rumbling earth to where shockwave is on the tree

and I'll complain less about warrior utility

[uneven mason]

Got log?

[bleak breach]

I would, just need to find them lol

[uneven mason]

#bringbacksiegebreaker

[warm plinth]

Shockwave really is in an unfair spot, I agree w/ that

[sick sentinel]

how about rumbling earth turns it into once it strikes it srikes the same spot again with earth quake like effects puffs of smoke ground moves grinding stones noises

[left trout]

when they do the warrior rework they can put it in the 2nd tier like dh

[sick sentinel]

make it themeatic

[warm plinth]

But if they moved it, they'd have to come up with actual good ideas for those capstones, because they can't move the capstones

[hoary fern]

Ouroboreal Necklet- what can prot use to trigger this?

[uneven mason]

Shockwave and stormbolt baseline plz

[warm plinth]

is that the weird absorb necklace

[hoary fern]

yes

[warm plinth]

shadowflame patch will proc it but it's a kind of pointless effect really

[median tulip]

To be entirely honest, the problem is that Avatar is in the wrong place

[uneven mason]

Give us a endpoint talet to make SB mop sb

[bleak breach]

Was thinking maybe I didn’t leap far enough away? I think you take more damage the closer you are to him?

[hoary fern]

if shadowflame procs it thats fine

[warm plinth]

It only rpocs the nature side though

procs*

[strong forum]

that necklace' absorb part is irrelevant

[bleak breach]

Also bring back the bonus damage to stormbolt when it can’t stun anything

[strong forum]

purely a gimmick

[uneven mason]

That's what I said

Mop stormbolt

[bleak breach]

Shockwave should do the same

[warm plinth]

nah bring back gag order

[bleak breach]

Give some relevance when there’s nothing to stun

[bleak breach]

Daddy

[left trout]

what did mop stormbolt do?

[bleak breach]

Biggg pumpa smash

[uneven mason]

The dream

[warm plinth]

Do you know what I do when there's nothing to stun

I hold the ability for when there is something to stun

[uneven mason]

I'd give up spear as a encap if they put gag order there

[bleak breach]

Yes, as do we all. But I’m talking say a mini boss or single target fight, give them some relevance.

Probably asking for too much

[uneven mason]

I much preferred slapping something for like half a million

[bleak breach]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9bv7dRJxpNXc8HnM#fight=19&type=damage-done

@uneven mason

Dunno how to single out Larodar lol, not good with logs but they’re all there.

[restive scroll]

Can't see well on the phone, but it seems you did die from the charge alone

I usually leap then pop defensive stance and reflect, and that's enough

[cosmic wyvern]

I often forget how powerful reflect is as a defensive, even when a spell can't be reflected

the day they take away spell reflect is the day I quit wow

and then probably come back a week later playing vengeance dh

[restive scroll]

Maybe you don't go far enough?

[bleak breach]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking on those attempts, I ended up rotating shield wall and then def stance and demo shout for the others and went fine after.

I think I was just too close, but not sure if anything weird was going on? It was pretty random.

[uneven mason]

So whats missing from this list?

It's a doozy

[solemn raptor]

is there a haste cap (hard or soft) that i should start looking at other stats after obtaining?

[jagged pier]

SW

[uneven mason]

Someone give Jakey a cookie

[jagged pier]

literally 1 glance

ez

[uneven mason]

You never SW'd once for a charge

the ones that obliterated you, you had no defensives going, or IP up

The casts are 30s apart iirc, you should have SW available for every one

leap + SW

if you're feeling spicy Defensive, SW, Demo, SR can all be stacked for this

[jagged pier]

how far was he going

out

[uneven mason]

pretty far

max range on leap

[jagged pier]

ah fair

i mean should run and leap back tbh

[jagged pier]

stops more damage

[uneven mason]

this one killed him

not far enough

But yeah, stacking defensives up

it's the single biggest hit, I apologize for saying it tickled though 😄 I just instinctively wrap anything that requires me to range my heals into a CD bundle

(flashbacks to Zul)

[uneven mason]

So the take away - preplan for the charge, using SW is the right play, the ones that killed you, you didn't have anything defensive facing going besides SR?

He's a very scripted fight

The only bit of chaos is trying to find a spot to dump his frontals when the DPS don't wanna listen to positioning

[toxic pewter]

just got removed from another pug raid for ripping aggro again lmao

oof

[uneven mason]

Tell them to press buttons

[toxic pewter]

i did then

then i said u dont have a clue

then he said 'your mad and a p word bye' LOL

[uneven mason]

such is PUG life

[timber coral]

What should my overall be looking like around 470? In the average dungeon 🤔

[strong forum]

i mean what is an average dungeon

in atal its gonna be lower

in BRH its gonna be real high

[timber coral]

I got 94k in Atal and it felt kinda low

[strong forum]

yeah 94k in atal is quite low

[uneven mason]

lots of variations

[strong forum]

i'd say for atal 115k? would be good

maybe bit higher if you have t31

[sullen kiln]

with aug or without :D?

[strong forum]

i think i had 105k without aug and 450ilvl

so

yeh

with aug closer to 140k ig

[timber coral]

Alright alright TY

Definitely got stuff to work on lol

I've not played with an Aug yet sadly :(((

[bleak breach]

Yeah, I guessed that was my drama. I only had SW up on every odd number. I then changed to using demo shout and def stance for the other and felt better.

[copper lion]

any tips on larodar? getting wrecked as warrior. is it absolutely necessary to run out into the flamee patches on charge? I have my SR+Dstance when i jump put but running back still hurts with that patched ground

[uneven mason]

scroll up

[bleak breach]

Yep we just had the same discussion

Thanks guys, was just checking if there was anything random getting me. I got the right mix of stuff in the end.

[bleak breach]

I found when running back you want to try to chain charge him, stops you being in there too long. Also don’t go too far or you’re stuffed anyway.

But if you don’t run far enough you pretty much get 1 shot, it’s a bit of a fine line.

[uneven mason]

The only danger with chain charging to get back in is you run the risk after the 3s taunt window to rip

but

that's on your other tank for not pressing buttons tbh 😄

[copper lion]

you leaping out into the patches on charge?

[bleak breach]

I’m leaping out and charging back

I found running I wasn’t getting far enough, everytime I ran the charge killed me

[copper lion]

i mean how far out are you leaping out? because even with charge that ticking dot hurts on the ground

[uneven mason]

you can also drop ravager just before so you have continuous rage income for IPs....

I mean, our optimal DPS rotation says we should push all CDs on CD, but if you're having a hard time with a mechanic, it's ok

also - healers have externals

[copper lion]

im pugging my raids so..

[uneven mason]

I'm sure half your healers speak english

(or whatever language you communicate in)

ask 😛

Be like "Charge makes my butt pucker, toss an ironbark on me plz?"

[bleak breach]

I leap fairly far, I don’t have an exact distance. Just found a range where I stopped getting murdered by boss but then also wasn’t dying to fire.

But as Ikarikaze said, load up on IP, hold cds and you should be fine. Worst case use a health stone or health pot

[bleak breach]

Yeah I tried that and found I wasn’t getting far enough and died. Might try it again next week and see if I don’t nuffy it

[cosmic wyvern]

I kinda feel like I wouldn't have been able to push this high so early on in the season without the cheat death trinket :P

I know it's a crutch but its such an incredible crutch

[uneven mason]

If you're sure to have that defensive stack on each one you should be fine

the ticks from the fire contribute to damage

[bleak breach]

That’s fair

Once I worked out my mix I was fine, so I guess that should be fine now.

[calm prawn]

DId my first +16 as prot tanked two bosses with no healer

[uneven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-one-of-us-now-gif-11219724

[sick sentinel]

i should be progging on to higher keys

[potent anvil]

Got another weapon

[oblique radish]

BL uses on WM. Tree or witches?

[uneven mason]

Witches are dangerous

Tree is ZZZzzz

[blazing condor]

usually ppl do both

go witches first boss

[oblique radish]

then fatty?

[blazing condor]

you clear up to tree, then clear out everything before fatty

[woven torrent]

does anyone know if there's like a collection of tips on how to handle tank mechanics M+?

[blazing condor]

and in fattys room

and then usually the bl is back up

[woven torrent]

like not sure if some boss frontals i should just always keep a cd for

or if i can dodge them somehow

for example fall first boss

his knockback takes like 60-70% of my hp and its always a jumpscare without shield wall

[pallid quiver]

That one you have to take, but the way to check is to just see if they follow you when they start casting

[woven torrent]

off the top of my head

what i can remember hitting me extra hard was that one, last boss on rise, aoe cast on second boss everbloom

[pallid quiver]

The second of those, Deios, is the interesting one, since he does follow you, but you can outrange it by leaping out

But the main mechanic of those fights tank end is surviving those dangerous abilities, so your CD use is supposed to based around tackling those when they come up

[woven torrent]

yep been trying my best

[cosmic wyvern]

what was the cutoff for using into the fray over heavy repercussions in m+

[woven torrent]

also just as a general idea, how much hps are u guys on during pulls/bosses?

im at 450 ilvl for reference and 50-70k is the norm for me

in +16-19s

[vocal flame]

you are doing 16s at 450? 😮

[woven torrent]

i mean im farming gear

gotta do them

its kinda funny sometimes i invite dps warriors that are 470+ and their hp is almost the same as me xD

[strong forum]

We all did 20s with 445ilvl no?

[vocal flame]

I was reading some of the comments about ITF and haste numbers. Is there a certain haste # that we take ITF? "Decide between [Into the Fray] for more aoe pad but less defense or [Heavy Repercussions] for 100% block uptime" I see that in pins so is it totally subjective?

[woven torrent]

im still waiting on my t31 2pc

did like 6/9 bosses and no drops 😔

[vocal flame]

Oh I am sure it can be done haha. I am 451 and just starting going into 11-12s. I am a slow learner

[bleak breach]

Wish they would change the effects so it’s not just undead, would be good then.

[bleak breach]

Only done an 18 as highest lol

[vocal flame]

Ok I will take that as don't use it until then lol

[uneven mason]

You can, it just involves greater care with managing SB uptime

[modern gazelle]

anyone have some good m+ tanks to watch any class? i much prefer seeing a route than looking at it in the map, especially with the new mdt

also is there a way to change mdt to show multiple levels like it used to? new 1 level map confuses the fuck out of me

[strong forum]

Andybrew is pretty much the best tank to watch

And the new mdt layout stuff is the new norm

[bleak breach]

Outside of probably Everbloom and DHT I find most of these dungeons are fairly 1 dimensional as to what you have to pull this tier

[median tulip]

You can make some choices in Atal'Dazar

[bleak breach]

I guess you could accidentally pull heaps in BRH if you haven’t done it before

[manic bane]

Good evening guys, does anyone have some advice regarding last boss of murozond rise ? how are you supposed to deal with his breath efficiently as prot warr ?

[bleak breach]

Yeah that’s fair, it’s a bit harder now they increased the amount though. There’s not much you can skip.

[median tulip]

It has a maximum range, you can Heroic Leap and outrange it if you're very quick

[bleak breach]

I finished on exactly 100% yesterday though without doing any ridiculous pathing. I’ll do the path on MDT later and show

[median tulip]

I mean, you can do the 3 bosses in any order

[bleak breach]

Yep

[bleak breach]

Ahh interesting

[manic bane]

good to know, thanks for the tip

[shut flare]

question why is prot warrior the least used spec? is there a problem no wwitht he spec?

[median tulip]

This is the AD route I'm using:

[uneven mason]

We generally get ignored unless we're insanely OP

Bear also suffers from this

but bear is still riding the wave of being OP in S2

[median tulip]

Protection Warrior is hard to master. Lot of people give up and go back to easymode tanks.

[pallid quiver]

It's because we can't even tank +2s smh

[uneven mason]

[bleak breach]

I didn’t do the ones in black and there’s one roamer near the lifesteal boss that I grabbed for 100%

[pallid quiver]

The actual reason is because popular perception is thay Prot War is fucking garbanzo against magic damage, and public perception is that there's only magic damage this season.

Both of these are very inaccurate

[uneven mason]

More salty answer - they buffed BDK

[bleak breach]

High mortality rate, think there’s just a lot of magic damage we’re not doing as well as others with and BDK/VDH are slapping.

Prot Pally still does really well for obvious reasons

[median tulip]

I mean we only have 5 buttons that reduce magic damage, clearly we're garbage at it SMH /s

[uneven mason]

Our kit is insane vs burst magic damage

[cinder storm]

that was a fun race

[pallid quiver]

Magic damage is specifically tank weakness by design; Brew's stagger even just staggers less magic damage for example. But Warrior has one of the best kits for dealing with infrequent, heavy amounts of magic damage due to spell reflect and shield wall. This is before spell block every existed, too

[bleak breach]

Yeah it is, there’s just a lot of sustained magic this tier

I love the bosses with heavy spell reflects we can basically solo

[bleak breach]

Yeah there’s just a few that we tend to struggle with, I think it’s just blood DK and VDH are better. We’re not bad, just not as good

I’ve got friends that play BDK and try to die but just can’t

[uneven mason]

that's a hot take

[median tulip]

Dying as a BDK is easy. Just stop doing the healing attack thing

[bleak breach]

But meh, I haven’t really noticed any real difficulties myself that weren’t structural issues from my own gameplay

[blazing condor]

Dying is actually a requirement to play DK

[bleak breach]

I.e Larodar, once I worked out the right cd combo I had no dramas

There’s so many players who have asked me for help with stuff prot warrior wise who die with all cds available and no def stance.

[pallid quiver]

I will continue to never trust an Undead DK to tank

Those bastards died twice in character creation

[median tulip]

Oh they killed Mythic Fyrakk

[pallid quiver]

Where's my leggo

[strong forum]

thats the leggo

[blazing condor]

no questline or anything?

[strong forum]

it just dropped, probably unlocks a questline now

[pallid quiver]

okay but where's my lego

[blazing condor]

also just make it a flat 500 ilvl

why not

[uneven mason]

how their budgeting system works

[blazing condor]

boo

who gaf last raid anyway

[pallid quiver]

season 4 tho

[uneven mason]

I think

we'll get a mini raid

[blazing condor]

perchance

but fated is a thing

idk

[uneven mason]

fated for sure

but I'd be stoked to get a 3-5 boss raid

as a followup

rather, as a prologue into the new Xpac

imagine telling the story in the game

[pallid quiver]

we need a like 1-2 boss raid out if nowhere again

Obsidian Sanctum ass raid

[uneven mason]

as long as it isn't Ruby Sanctum

because that was a shitshow

too much trash for 3 items

[pallid quiver]

Was it Ruby?

[bleak breach]

What the hells adventurer class

[pallid quiver]

I don't actually rememeber which it was

[uneven mason]

I was going to say

[uneven mason]

I saw that, but was like huh...

[pallid quiver]

whatever, dragons were killed

[blazing condor]

ruby came after icc

as the last raid of wotlk

[uneven mason]

it was poorly designed, 3 mini bosses that had no loot, insane amounts of trash

just for some bracers

[pallid quiver]

i just remembered it was one of the sanctums

[uneven mason]

I mean, that is another thing of, put the story in the game

Because what happened there was the Ruby eggs were all destroyed by Koristraz going full kaboom because they had all become corrupted by the twilight dragonflight (this is where the twilight drakes at the end of Dragonsoul come from)

instead we got some...

bracers

with no context

[winged slate]

If my option is another ruby sanctum, or no new content at all, I'll take garbage content

[uneven mason]

true

[winged slate]

It's obviously not a replacement for a tier

[uneven mason]

avoiding S1 of SL at any cost

180days of nothing

[shut flare]

is prot warrior having trouble with high keys?

[uneven mason]

Yeah, tons

[shut flare]

just asking se cause i saw in icy veins latest usage it's the lwoest

[median tulip]

Hard to master. Git gud.

[uneven mason]

ok

[blazing condor]

we're always one of the most unpopular tanks

its just our perception

[uneven mason]

This - we're not cool, we're vanilla

We're bricks

we don't hjave fancy magic

or hurt feelings

we just get punched and smile

[winged slate]

Wdym we're not cool

[uneven mason]

To the edgebois

[winged slate]

I can leap 40 fucking yards

Let me see how far you can jump

[uneven mason]

no self mutilation

no windchims

[winged slate]

False

[uneven mason]

just don't appear

appeal

[winged slate]

We absolutely self-multilate

[shut flare]

when you say master/ in what way?

[winged slate]

Shadowflame patch + fyrakk trinket hurt you

[uneven mason]

our kit is frontloaded to be completely preemptive, to play Pwar properly you have to actually use braincells to think ahead and use abilities based on upcoming damage profiles

[toxic pewter]

u guys kill the middle pack in atal dazar or is that still bad

[uneven mason]

It's been standard since end of BFA

[median tulip]

I skip it

[uneven mason]

gigga nerfed

[toxic pewter]

o rly

[uneven mason]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

ok im gonna start doing it

[uneven mason]

just 🦶

[winged slate]

Here's all the shit I kill

[uneven mason]

center pack is easy %

[toxic pewter]

oh i start by killing 6 mobs to left at start

i always do that

[uneven mason]

people just have nightmares from S1 of BFA

[blazing condor]

ghuunies

[winged slate]

I go rezan first to get lust on CD

[uneven mason]

when that pack would just give you a rimmer with a chainsaw

[toxic pewter]

yeah rezan with lust makes sense on tyran

thats for sure

gonna do that actually yea

[uneven mason]

wasted travel time, isn't needed

[median tulip]

Is there a way to open the gates from the bridges, or only from the stairs?

[uneven mason]

only stairs

that kind've dictated the pathing

[median tulip]

Sux :/

[uneven mason]

it is what it is

but yeah like I never understood pulling the left pack

[blazing condor]

theoretically you could have someone stealth around

but also no reason

[uneven mason]

the stealthers see stealth

they have rogues too

[blazing condor]

im sure you can make it if youre fast enough

kill the first stealther on right

then just yolo run it

[uneven mason]

2 stealthers on the stairs

[median tulip]

The Collosii see through Stealth as well, IIRC

[uneven mason]

they don't leave the stairs

[uneven mason]

never go near them anyway

Know what dungeon I hope is in S4

[blazing condor]

pop evasion

[uneven mason]

say it with me

"King's Rest"

[blazing condor]

[median tulip]

My bet is that Season 4 will be all 8 of the DF dungeons. It would be pretty odd to only have them in rotation once in their own expansion.

[uneven mason]

The council fight in there

people complain about bleeds now

[median tulip]

Don't get me wrong, I would love the return of King's Rest

But the general rule seems to be one Zandalar dungeon and one Kul Tiran one, and are we really ready for the return of Tol'Dagor?

[chrome falcon]

do we think Sense ran bolster on Nymue on purpose

no way right

[blazing condor]

did he already have 4p by then

?

[grand veldt]

I'm working on 23s rn and i have most my abilities macrod to shield slam

[blazing condor]

either way the damage probably hurts a lot that extra LS might be worth

[chilly brook]

Wadu hek

[chrome falcon]

yes

[grand veldt]

He was asking if prot war was having trouble with higher keys

[blazing condor]

goes to show you can push high ass key even with wonky plays

[grand veldt]

and i was just saying im mentally handicapped so no

[bleak breach]

Will we get a season 4?

[blazing condor]

yep

[grand veldt]

yes season 4 is confirmed

[bleak breach]

I assumed that would only come with a 4th raid tier that we won’t get

[median tulip]

A Fated Season 4 is confirmed already

[uneven mason]

know what caught me by surprise, how much of an absolute monkster Mistweaver is this season

[grand veldt]

no one knows what kind of fated season 4 will be

but all this bronze dragon flight stuff theyre doing with the portal room

[bleak breach]

Will ilvl be the same then or go up?

[grand veldt]

leads me to believe we might get like a very big time walking theme for the next fated

i think it goes up

[bleak breach]

I didn’t play shadowlands so never did fates

What happened with tier for that?

[blazing condor]

just old raids with affixes

[grand veldt]

i dont think people liked affixes

so id be surprised if it comes the same way

[uneven mason]

all the raids from the Xpac had a cycle of fated (Basically M+ affixes for raids)

[lofty harbor]

If they do what they did before it is all 3 current expac raids scaled up higher than season 3. With fancy affixes (with a kiss / curse)

[uneven mason]

yeah iirc you could pick what extra affixes you activated

[median tulip]

Shards of Domination fucked off and went away, is what happened. And there was much rejoicing.

[lofty harbor]

Yes but no.

Early on it was just on a rotation.

But they let you just turn on additional fixes later

[bleak breach]

Would we just keep t31 but at higher levels?

[uneven mason]

bring back Ulduar type bonus loot modes

[uneven mason]

Bring back T30 at ilvl 500

[lofty harbor]

I personally hope for Fated w/ silly affixes with a 2 boss mini-raid as a side piece of fun content to do

[median tulip]

Bring Back Banner

[toxic pewter]

2h LEGENDARY AXE

[grand veldt]

yeah

i have no idea how good a 2min cd is for a legendary

[uneven mason]

please

[lofty harbor]

Damn wish I could use that with my shield

[toxic pewter]

dude cinco de leggo is happening

[cinder storm]

bdk season inc

[median tulip]

Neat. A solution for Death Knight being a wheelchair class, at last /s

[toxic pewter]

XD

dude that thing is op

gonna be insane

[blazing condor]

lol

[teal swift]

It's better than no 2m cd

[median tulip]

Crit/Haste as well

[winged slate]

In single target that's like 7500 dps extra

[toxic pewter]

inc 5 legendary m+ meta

[winged slate]

Not including the fact that you have a 496 weapon

[ebon geyser]

And paladins

[median tulip]

Paladins have a fucking Pony

Still, I can foresee some profitable times selling the Legendary to rubes

[toxic pewter]

is it personal loot like the evoker one or wat

[strong forum]

its not personal loot from the looks of it

[toxic pewter]

oh wow

O_O

[median tulip]

BE READY FOR THE DRAMA LLAMA

[vivid orchid]

nice knowing you all o7 (/s)

[chilly brook]

Apparently the first legendary for evokers wasn’t either

Like the very first one to drop

[vivid orchid]

^

[verbal hornet]

Phew

[vivid orchid]

no guarantee its not personal from now on

[chilly brook]

So it could be anything

[uneven mason]

IKR can't wait to see the logs come out after a BDK gets their hands on that, going to dwarf even VDH

[shut flare]

what tank has highest dps in general?

[uneven mason]

VDH iirc

warrior on average is lower, but that's because there's a lot of defensive daniels

and non button pushers

[bleak breach]

Stuff the defence

Points win games fellas

I thought BDK would be doing a bit more, I guess they don’t have legendary, but me and my friend tank together and we pull similar logs, but I blow him out of the water damage wise.

[sudden grotto]

that doesnt mean much on it s own tbf

[bleak breach]

No it doesn’t, but we were both in the same bracket on overall and i was a fair way about him in raw output

[sudden grotto]

what is same bracket ? like 80% parse or smth?

[bleak breach]

Between 97 and 100

I was 99 he was 97

[sudden grotto]

tbf there s usually a big gap between those

[bleak breach]

I guess, even when we’ve been on the same parse I’m normally above. Aoe is close

[sudden grotto]

this is my point for my initial comment:
if u compare bm and pala average , bm > pala, but pala peaks higher and very close to gdruid and dh

not saying it is like that rn, i have no clue

[bleak breach]

Still early I guess, people missing 4pc bis etc. hard to go off

[sudden grotto]

yea, this is aberrus anyway

was just looking for an image to explain what i meant

iirc sims were pretty close between tanks?

pre season

[uneven mason]

very with vdh being an outlier

but when your thing is "dealing damage keeps me alive" it makes sense.

[pallid quiver]

Tanks are currently showing to be close overall depending on fight at the top performing end. As you get lower in percentiles, there's a stark difference in damage dealt between some tanks

what that really means is some tanks are likely to be more punishing to mess up on

or easier to mess up

Or something along those lines

[sudden grotto]

or rng

[pallid quiver]

There's not much RNG that will drastically swing you that hard in terms of tanks

[sudden grotto]

oh yea

[pallid quiver]

ain't no casino tanks like storm enha was/is

[bleak breach]

PWar very consistent now I’ve found

[sudden grotto]

i mean is there any other tank with rng parses (apart from crit) other than pwar

is it

that s nice tbf

havent played it , vdh very fun

[bleak breach]

With ITF I’m around 50% haste, cds are fairly constant and rarely don’t have SS up

[sudden grotto]

50% haste

im at 7.5k crit on my dh unbuffed

whatever that means

[bleak breach]

That’s with itf

[sudden grotto]

what is itf

the one from sb?

[bleak breach]

Fully buffed sorry

Into the fray

[sudden grotto]

aa

tbf this season there s a lot of classes i d like to actively play

but aint got time for that

[toxic pewter]

which better heart or augury u guys think

if u had to pick 1

[sudden grotto]

i assume heart is from fyrakk aswell?

if yes, i think augury is ur bis trinket innit?

[toxic pewter]

yeah seems that way

[sudden grotto]

also if u could pick , augury is way more contested since it s a dps trinket than heart

so augury everytime and heart another time

[toxic pewter]

yah true

lolwtf looking at a brewmaster with 1.3 mill hp unbuffed was like wtf? he using that stamina trinket lmao

that is one fat monk

[torn gulch]

isn't the problem with dps only trinkets that you will never get it over a dps even if you roll higher?

because off-spec?

[toxic pewter]

na just set my lootspec to arms

already have the 1h axe anyway

[torn gulch]

so if the lootspec is on dps you don't have this problem

[toxic pewter]

yeah no problem

[torn gulch]

so i can try to target signet or augury

[toxic pewter]

that how i got my ashkandy

ya

def be in arms loot spec

otherwise that offspec crap happens

[torn gulch]

yes fury has 1h

[toxic pewter]

yeah fury works if u want 1h axe also

ya

i already have so im going arms i guess

[torn gulch]

fortunately i have the normal gorlak

[toxic pewter]

doesnt matter really

[torn gulch]

now my upgrade is heroic gorlak

and that's it

[toxic pewter]

yah that happened to me

i had normal

now i have heroic

[torn gulch]

and i'm not seeing mythic so as far as i concerned that's it for weapons

for shield i either see vault or first boss on mythic when cross realm comes in

i already have first boss heroic shield full upgraded to 483

[toxic pewter]

nice

[daring marlin]

prot sux

imagine not having TG so you can't use leggo weapon

[chilly brook]

Truuuu

Real

[toxic pewter]

[mortal brook]

@strong forum

[stark rain]

what kind of animal leashes a cat

[bleak breach]

Augury

[teal swift]

Love

[toxic pewter]

just ripped aggro off another bdk lol

wat are these dudes pressing

[daring marlin]

nothing

they're afk

[toxic pewter]

2nd one today alone

... so far..

[teal swift]

Don't worry orange axe will fix it

[onyx hearth]

sometimes I don't know what I'am doing and press all the buttons at the same time

[waxen orbit]

2 chested 22 blackrook hold overall

Huge HPS and DPS

feelsgoodman

Could have honestly nailed a solid 190k if it weren't for me playing to accommodate the healer to do some damage at times

Once I get 4pc

It is over