protection

[median tulip]

So I'm being fucked over by not getting a trinket drop. Joy.

[pallid quiver]

So if they are, that's a bug

[lusty grotto]

well i can check really quick not that i need drakes anyway

[undone verge]

6 mobs left, clear both packs of saurids before boss, go up clear all of right side to Vol including stealthed guys on stairs, clear down to the middle. Pull both skyscreamer packs together, skip Dino’s, pull both perched skyscreamers into the saurids. Pull final pack with skyscreamer into guys by the stairs, pull everything in front of third boss, exactly 100%

[lusty grotto]

alright its no that vendor

[subtle merlin]

I've had really bad luck in M+ on weapon drops and currently using a ilvl 450 mace from Emerald Dream. Should I craft the Molten Longsword? If I do do I need to use the Enchanted Aspect Crests in crafting? I don't really get the system or if i need to use those things... Thanks in advance....

[hushed bluff]

i think this is fine

[sick sentinel]

rise or fall is the first 4

i forget

[lusty grotto]

why avoid middle pack

[sick sentinel]

im looking to do the first 4

[lusty grotto]

its not fort

[pallid quiver]

So base to craft something, you just need a Spark, the Spark of Dreams one is the current one. With just that, it'll go to a max ilvl of 463

[lusty grotto]

middle pack doesnt do anything, you only have to watch 2 kicks and dodge charge

in non-fort

[pallid quiver]

If you want to craft it at a higher ilvl, you either need to use an Enchanted Wyrm Crest or an Enchanted Aspect Crest, which you get by trading in the respective crests

[undone verge]

I pull that last scyscreamer pack in pull 11 into pull 12 rather than do 3 sky

[lusty grotto]

you guys are just trying your hardest to avoid the easiest one

[hushed bluff]

sry to hear that

[sick sentinel]

it is if the dino-mite is kicked

thats about the only scary thing in that

[lusty grotto]

no

the scary thing is the fear going off

from the perched ptero

[undone verge]

Dinos just aren’t worth it tbh

[lusty grotto]

its tyrannical week

they fucking melt

[subtle merlin]

Would you craft one if you were me or persevere on trying to get the WM/ Dino weapons?

[sick sentinel]

its fine if u have a hunter or druid or i guess evoker in ur group to dispell

[undone verge]

So does everything else

[sick sentinel]

cuz the big dinos dont really do anything

[lusty grotto]

also no BFA gamers

[sick sentinel]

she enrages them which can be removed

[lusty grotto]

ignoring the easiest 2 rogues in the game that can be chained

[uneven mason]

Even on fort it's no where near as chonky as it was in bfa

[lusty grotto]

yea

indeed it isnt ikari

we did them last week with lust those fuckers arent even close to comparable to BFA levels

[uneven mason]

Like I pulled it on a 15 fort week 1 and they just tickled

[pallid quiver]

Our ultimate goal for a wep is to get Gholak from Fyrakk in raid, since it's a weapon with an effect that doesn't give up stats for the effect, so it's a little busted, so it's up to you if you want to just grind for an in-between wep or if you want to just craft one. As long as you're hitting Heroic raid, you will eventually replace that weapon, so

[uneven mason]

Could have solo's them

[lusty grotto]

that pack basically got triple nerfed

including tuesday's nerfs

[sick sentinel]

Is fall keys like giga easy or something

[uneven mason]

To be fair, bfa was the era of "warriors shouldn't have self sustaining, also IP is gcd"

[lusty grotto]

well i meant it didnt hurt the group

that pack didnt do much vs us

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

just bootyclap

👢🍵👏

[uneven mason]

And Parry party

[lusty grotto]

where yamo at

i know he asked shit last week

oh

[uneven mason]

Oh

Bruh

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-trooper-traitor-starwars-gif-15518569

[uneven mason]

Not as bad as sense

But still hurts

[lusty grotto]

yamothy is a great name ngl

btw the mark up on crests is timegated lol

so they wont show up on the vendor

[uneven mason]

Wtf

[undone verge]

https://keystone.guru/route/ataldazar/m4VDSqe/ataldazar-temporary-route/edit/1

[uneven mason]

Reee

[lusty grotto]

even if you have the achievements

[chilly brook]

people forget that pack got nerfed towards the end of BFA

it was a fairly common pack to pull

[uneven mason]

I was moving end of bfa sadly

[chilly brook]

the pack is giga free now

I just pull it and the two extra screamers together now

if you do standard route + one extra totem pack and then the middle pack and the two mobs at the top of the stairs at gold boss you're golden now

you can even chain the two at the top of the stairs in with the massive pull before that boss if you want

[cosmic wyvern]

god I feel really lame for using the cheat death trinket on high keys and raid progression but it's saved my ass so many times

[cosmic wyvern]

honestly gonna be really conflicted when I get a higher ilvl trinket

like I know it's not optimal to use the cheat death trinket ever but it's also just so helpful

[toxic pewter]

I haven’t been home in few days is atal dazar route need a lot more count or wat

[silent vessel]

not a lot more

just a bit more

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[silent vessel]

I pull two additional screamers on first boss as well as the two dudes at the left on princess

[cosmic wyvern]

what I've found is good: just pull the extra 2 or 3 packs leading up to Vol'kaal that you would otherwise skip

then pull the two on the right of Alun'za

adds up to exactly 100%

[lusty grotto]

yup

[undone verge]

It’s like 8% more

[toxic pewter]

I see

[silent vessel]

its really not an issue

[lusty grotto]

anyway why are we discussing routes for one of the easiest dungeons ?

[cosmic wyvern]

oh hey I'm the 8th highest io for prot warriors on my realm

its moon guard :(

[silent vessel]

the trash mobs are free anyway on atal

[median tulip]

It's literally 3 extra pulls, tops

[chilly brook]

still super easy key

[lusty grotto]

you can fart around and still time it

[median tulip]

I prefer to avoid the Dino Lady, others disagree

[cosmic wyvern]

could probably hit KSH this week but I don't really want to do 20s yet

I don't trust myself :/

[undone verge]

Rank 1 prot warrior on the Crushridge Arathor Nathrezim Smolderthorn Garithos, etc cluster 💪

[silent vessel]

i did all but two 20s today

[undone verge]

I’m literally 1 point off of KSH

[cosmic wyvern]

would need to find good pugs for that

[median tulip]

AD is probably the most free key this season. WCM and DHT are close, though.

[lusty grotto]

DHT is free-er

[cosmic wyvern]

wcm feels stressful because of the camera angles lol

[undone verge]

I find BRH is easier but Atals timer is more forgiving

[toxic pewter]

Haven’t been able to do any tyrannical yet

[lusty grotto]

err

[silent vessel]

:(

[lusty grotto]

BRH is free-er i mean

[silent vessel]

not good enough yet

[lusty grotto]

BRH is by far the easiest one

[pastel dew]

Question: For the meme, I guess. Why is Xeri'tac listed as "No" in Wowhead's guide? 🤣

[median tulip]

I do half of the pulls out into the courtyard where the wickerman boss is TBH

[cosmic wyvern]

I find fall to be easier than BRH/DHT tbh

[undone verge]

No

[lusty grotto]

idk, we dont write wowhead's guide

llarold is around though

[pastel dew]

I got a good laugh out of it though for real.

[cosmic wyvern]

imagine being named larold

[silent vessel]

if you have a premade, tott isnt too bad either

[cosmic wyvern]

it's definitely a lot better than it was last week

[silent vessel]

100%

[cosmic wyvern]

final boss can suck with pugs tho

[silent vessel]

exactly

[median tulip]

BRH is ok. 3rd boss can be a dick this week - not because of actual damage but because he just takes so fucking long

[lusty grotto]

brh is giga easy

its a free key

[silent vessel]

waycrest is also easy imho

[lusty grotto]

for a dungeon to be easier than AD thats saying a lot

[undone verge]

Waycrest timer is hella forgiving and all the difficulty is in the start

[silent vessel]

yes

[median tulip]

WCM is mostly just gimmick bosses, so yeah

I don't enjoy either of the DotI M+, but they are ok apart from one specific pain point each

[lusty grotto]

idk

fall is pretty simple

doti's arent really bad

[toxic pewter]

Find 3rd boss in fall most annoying

[lusty grotto]

its just rise for example, one person fucks up and youre dead

[silent vessel]

rise is just last boss thats a pain

for us at least

[cosmic wyvern]

rise last boss makes me sad

sadder still that I have a 20 rise key :(

[median tulip]

Rise last boss is a twat

[cosmic wyvern]

people are really hesitant to take prot warriors for rise, primarily because of that fucker

[lusty grotto]

havent had that issue

[median tulip]

Iridikron being a freebie gimmick boss is fine in preset groups, but sucks for pugs

[lusty grotto]

iridikron isnt the problem

hes easy enough

[cosmic wyvern]

iridikron is easy

timeways can be a pain if people aren't on top of defensives and dispels

[lusty grotto]

timeways and blight are easier to fuck up

[cosmic wyvern]

timeways room trash is cancer tho

[polar wedge]

there's a mechanic on Rezan where he tp you under his feet when he chases you, but I don't remember what does that, someone do?

[median tulip]

Timeways trash is a bit of a pain on Fort

[silent vessel]

the trick is to pull just enough so the second portal gets triggered

[lusty grotto]

youre getting snapped

[polar wedge]

he killed me and wipe

[silent vessel]

and then go straight across the room

[lusty grotto]

youre jumping into an unreachable place

[polar wedge]

no

[lusty grotto]

thats why hes doing that

yes

[polar wedge]

i was on the ground

[undone verge]

Reverse snapping

Pathing issues pretty much

[median tulip]

Rezan can be buggy AF

[sick sentinel]

haste trinket from gala dropped but not for me

[lusty grotto]

if he cant get to you, not by distance, but by pathing, he will snap you in

[sick sentinel]

rip

[silent vessel]

he sometimes does it when you taunt him and then jump afar

[polar wedge]

but I was in the room

[lusty grotto]

you got a replay?

or a log?

[polar wedge]

no

[lusty grotto]

ok moving on then

[undone verge]

Throwback to last tier

[median tulip]

TotT is the worst dungeon on Tyrannical, but just because of the last boss

[lusty grotto]

last boss isnt even hard to heal if done correctly

[median tulip]

Everbloom is also horrible, again purely the 2nd boss at issue

[undone verge]

2nd boss in EB and last boss in rise are the only reasons I want the cheat trinket

[sick sentinel]

would be nice if i had it as an option

[median tulip]

The problem I had with the last boss in TotT was probably comp-related TBH. My static only has one ranged DPS and we have a Priest healer, so we don't have many ranged interrupt options, which makes stacking the adds gunk hard.

I have a theory that a Shaman would likely make that fight completely trivial, if played right.

[lusty grotto]

DH/DK/Pally/Sham are pseudo ranged interrupt

and you can move around the boss as well to kick

well maybe not pally

[median tulip]

Yeah. I ended up having my Feral friend run around to interrupt one

[lusty grotto]

ah

youre running feral

forgot about kitties

ok so DH/DK/Sham pseudo ranged

kitties/rogue/war/pally melee

[median tulip]

But yeah the caution I would place on the last boss is "think about the availability of ranged interrupt and pull ins"

The rest of the Dungeon was free

[lusty grotto]

i dont really care too much about kicks

on ozumat

[silent vessel]

same

[lusty grotto]

the problem is not grouping up adds, they eventually get to you anyway

the problem is people adjusting to place their shit next to where adds die

without getting cliped by the point blank when the adds themselves die

one thing ive noticed this season

melee dont understand hitboxes

timeways you can literally melee from the edge of the first circle

its extremely far away from mid

volcoross also

iridikron too, his hitbox is fucking huge

which makes dodging earth tornadoes or w/e super easy

[winged slate]

Yet nymues hitbox is annoyingly small

[lusty grotto]

well that's intetional

but the dodging there isnt hard either

[winged slate]

It could be a few meters further and I think it'd just make it less cluttered

[lusty grotto]

nah its fine as it is

[winged slate]

It's fine but it could be good

[lusty grotto]

melee just needs to learn to watch the falling looms

100% every time someone learns it, they never get hit again

[median tulip]

Timeways it's easier to avoid the balls if you're close, though

[undone verge]

Nymue slaps

Like it does insane dmg

[lusty grotto]

disagree

[undone verge]

I just hug boss and sit on the edge of the orb spawns it’s ex

Ez

[thin silo]

I chalk that up to poor game design, where there's zero correlation between the size of the model -- or even the red target circle -- and how far you can melee from. Your only way to know is trial and error.

[median tulip]

You can go through a much largert angle quicker if you're closer. That's just math. Go clockwise when there's no balls, anti-clockwise when the balls come out. EZ

[lusty grotto]

i know how it goes

this isnt my first rodeo

i have no issues dodging it either way

melee does

look at how far i am

vs the other melee

still in melee range

[median tulip]

I go right in, less distance to move

[lusty grotto]

im not talking about any of oyu

im talking about melee in your group

you do whatever you want

the dot from bullet hell wont kill tanks anyway

[sick sentinel]

what on use trinket would you guys want from keys

[lusty grotto]

this isnt about tanks

[winged slate]

I mean isn't that because hitboxes are just insanely inconsistent

[lusty grotto]

yea

[winged slate]

Hard to blame someone for muscle memory going to punch the bosses crotch

[median tulip]

From keys only, no Raid? Rezan and Sandglass

[lusty grotto]

while pugging i just stand in africa hoping melee realizes it

[winged slate]

Meanwhile if you step 0.0001 meters away from the barf boss on WCM then he gets pissed

[sick sentinel]

you wouldnt want any of the on use trinkets at all

[lusty grotto]

if they move out then i can go in as im used to

[vocal flame]

he wants you to stand in all those wonderful pools of green

[sick sentinel]

im good at evaluating automatic trinkets

im bad at evaluating use trinket

[lusty grotto]

you know who benefits from this gigantic hit box btw?

[winged slate]

That's fine there's just a huge variety of bosses with tiny hitboxes and huge ones

[median tulip]

See, I got my melee to go in close because it's so much easier to avoid the balls that way shrug

[lusty grotto]

DEMON HUNTERS

[winged slate]

Yeah fel rush 40 yards away

Cries in preservation

[median tulip]

I've pugged exactly 1.25 keys this season.

[vocal flame]

I did a sim with the same encahnts the butchers thing does more dps but less damage does that make sense? prob cause it doesnt have the secondaries right?

[lusty grotto]

splitter is only good for ST

and obviously it pales in comparison with a higher ilvl weapon

and of course every weapon bows to gholak

your splitter is champ track, dont sleep on it

as soon as you up it, it'll be better than the other one

sell the gavel

get AD weapon if you dont have access to gholak and replace the splitter for keys

[vocal flame]

ahhh ok cool ty Nim

[blazing condor]

TOTT neck gotta be one of our best right

or what else is tehre

[median tulip]

I've got the one from Council

[lusty grotto]

yeah pretty much

[blazing condor]

just got it

[lusty grotto]

nymue neck might be good too

[blazing condor]

unfortunately on a 16 so champ path

soon there

[lusty grotto]

nymue neck = tott neck > tindral neck

[winged slate]

Isn't nymue neck the highest simming one at least

For ST anyway

[lusty grotto]

should be its giga crit

the best one from keys though is tott

[strong forum]

kazzak neck best neck

[lusty grotto]

lol

what track is it

[strong forum]

cuz it gives +650firedmg on auto attack xdd

[lusty grotto]

well not that track matters on necks

[median tulip]

Wait... where the fuck did I get this from?

[blazing condor]

good for ffb

[lusty grotto]

world boss

probably

[median tulip]

Oh!

Right, that makes sense

[strong forum]

kazzak neck is champion track

[strong forum]

so it goes all the way to 476 i think

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

[median tulip]

It's a good old chunk of Haste, anyway

[strong forum]

or is it veteran track?

it drops at 441

[lusty grotto]

lemme go do kazzak real quick

[median tulip]

Kazzak neck?

[strong forum]

lord kazzak from the anniversary event drops a necklace

[lusty grotto]

yeah kazzak is in, because of anniversary

[median tulip]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

oops

[strong forum]

that has +650 firedmg on auto attack on it

[blazing condor]

so where do you upgrade from whelp > drake ?

im at the dude but cant do it

[lusty grotto]

you cant

not this week

[blazing condor]

makes sense

[lusty grotto]

even if you have the achievements

[blazing condor]

figured

[strong forum]

i wanna upgrade drake into wyrm crests but i dont have the cheevo

[blazing condor]

same

[lusty grotto]

well its fine cause you still cant do it with the achieve

[strong forum]

yeah but then i have to play the game

[winged slate]

What achievement do you need?

[blazing condor]

i just wanna be full bis

so i dont have to play this shit game ( i play 12 hours every day)

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

that achievement

[strong forum]

you can upgrade low ranked crests into higher ranked crests when you have all slots filled with items that no longer need said low ranked crests

[lusty grotto]

but even if you have the achieve you cant cause its timegated

[toxic pewter]

What’s the conversion rate to upgrade

[lusty grotto]

60 to 1

[toxic pewter]

Lol dang

[strong forum]

wat

[toxic pewter]

I thought I remembered reading something like that

[strong forum]

its 15 no?

60 to 1 is pointless

[toxic pewter]

I remember reading some 60 to 1 thing at some point in the past

[winged slate]

Oh that's... kind of arbitrary, I don't like that restriction

Only allowed to convert once conversion is the literal only use for them

[frosty mango]

Is this fixed?

[lusty grotto]

no, its timegated

[frosty mango]

I got the achieve but no option to upgrade

[lusty grotto]

read a few lines up

[solemn mesa]

I just got prophetic Stonescales. would it be better to pair that with Might of the Ocean or Mirror?

[lusty grotto]

sim

[lusty grotto]

ez

vet track though hmm

[winged slate]

Yo I'd use that

[vocal flame]

damn nim i did it today and got a ring lol

[winged slate]

I didn't even know there was an anniversary event with loot

I hid that quest insta

[lusty grotto]

first one i do too

[vocal flame]

not a quest you just show up in blasted lands i think

thats what i did

[lusty grotto]

well you get a quest or w/e in the mail

and the rep buff

[winged slate]

Yeah I hid that insta

I'll check it out

[lusty grotto]

which everyone used to get 20 renown

[strong forum]

uhuh totally

im totally not renown 6

[lusty grotto]

😄

[honest pewter]

Zanda bros, which loa do you rock for protecting frenz?

[strong forum]

uuuh the crit proc i think

[uneven mason]

Bronzebeard

[sick sentinel]

how do u see how many u have

paragon reps

i know i have them all completed except new one

[green bronze]

any tips to survive second boss of everbloom?

[restive scroll]

Leap out of breath (all of them with the talent) and alternate cd + def stance missread

[undone verge]

Double SW talent is nice

[restive scroll]

Dstance + alternate cds.
Spell block works on it

[green bronze]

just read noxious charge in the adventure guide, puddles spawn on top of party members, thats why middle is always nasty

[restive scroll]

if your melee don't do it properly, that fight is horrible

[green bronze]

Will try using defensive stance, forgot that it even exists tbh)

[restive scroll]

pretty strong this tier, there's a number of spells that you can't really stagger as often as you want, so "stance dancing" can be pretty interesting

[green bronze]

ty, just realised i wouldn't have been wrecked so hard by big tree in darkheart thicket 19 if i used defensive stance)

gotta bind it

[desert wind]

I'm guessing it's worth losing last season 2 piece for ilvl boost?

[restive scroll]

There's a nice macro to alternate between stances somewhere in some warrior guide if you'd like

[green bronze]

i remember seing that macro, will try searching through this thread

[undone verge]

#protection message

[green bronze]

thx

[sick sentinel]

RIP wow token 250

down about 75k

[vocal nimbus]

has gholak been shadownerfed or something?

[strong forum]

why

[undone verge]

@onyx hearth if you want to macro buttons you can macro bstance and dstance swapping to one macro

[brave jetty]

Larodar finishes Charge on active tank even if offtank taunts during the cast, right? So you're good to just taunt during the charge and he'll come to you after?

[undone verge]

Yeah

[brave jetty]

kk ty

[undone verge]

He likes to stare at you tho for a second then charge the other tank

It’s spooky

[vocal nimbus]

seen captures of it doing 5-7% of people's damage

mine is doing 1-3% approx

that is 700~k in a 6min fight

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-ugh-stanley-hudson-leslie-david-baker-rolls-eyes-gif-16850821

thats not much proof of anything is it

[vocal nimbus]

people sold me the weapon like a miracle bis :c

[strong forum]

it is bis

it does like 3k dps even at 476

[vocal nimbus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LktPhZJCyT34bgjp#fight=66&type=damage-done

this is the log

dunno, just felt underwhelming

[strong forum]

just unlucky

🤷‍♂️

its still free 2k dps in your case

it doesnt sacrifice any stats to get this dmg proc

straight up free dmg

[vocal nimbus]

tru

[sick sentinel]

84 more black smithing spec points and im done forever

meanwhile, 55 unusable spec points on engi lol

[winged slate]

I just ran a dungeon and had it do 3400 dps so it's definitely not nerfed

Free damage be free

[onyx hearth]

pikawar is using fueled by violence and barbaric training, I understand barbaric training because of tyranic, but fueled by violence is that good?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

#268491842637660160 talks about it (FbV vs BrV)

barbaric training is still a nono

you use less revenges now, when it was still a nono

with 4pc

pika has his own logic, its not for everyone

[onyx hearth]

I imagine

[lusty grotto]

with new 4pc youre just yoinking rage that could go to IP for fetid

with barb training

[slender terrace]

471 prot warrior destroyed like 5 times on 2nd boss of EB 19; is that normal?

[river creek]

Any suggestions for Dulhu's charge in EB just did a 19 and I took 1.1 M in charge, splash and a melee

I ran out of defensives

[kindred fiber]

use spell reflect as a defensive, charge does magic damage

walk out for his charge then leap or charge to another boss to dodge the splash and meele

to hopefully get a heal before he can reach you to start meeling again

spell reflect comes a little short so you can only use it every other

[left trout]

Eb you take spell block tho right? So you could rotation it with shield wall and reflect and the occasional demo that lines up

[warm plinth]

yeah you take spell block in EB

First boss frontal, 2nd boss charge (and basically everything else), everything on 3rd boss are all spell blockable

[brave stirrup]

Feels frustrating to see that while prot war is plenty sturdy, it just pales in comparison to vdh and prot paladin with its utility. I think the vdh 2 sigils is insane overkill for the amount of stops they can do on their own

[river creek]

yeah i think i was getting meleed in the back charging past him to the other caster

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's no bueno

new warrior ability, place a 2nd shield on your back so you can block from the back 👍

fixt

[river creek]

i had the other boss on target for charge to get out quick and avoid a tick

but i think i still get one tick

i watch some videos of prot paladins just not give a damn and walk through it...kinda jelous

NICE

ty

[slender terrace]

np

[warm plinth]

Death on pull 13, you were at half health for like a full minute prior to the charge so I guess healer was asleep

and you actually survived the charge but got hit by a nature's wrath from the other boss shortly after

[teal swift]

@strong forum why is pwar always this slept on

It's either #1 op or has very little representation

[warm plinth]

2nd death on that fight was you stood in a puddle twice going into the charge so you were like 25% hp when it hit

[teal swift]

Even when it's good, no one plays it unless it's #1

[vocal flame]

I always play it even tho I’m bad lol

It’s just a lot of fun

[warm plinth]

1st death on the next pull, you had nothing up for the charge at all, and then the puddle tick killed you

[strong forum]

Correct

People just don't like pwar

[teal swift]

ok

[river creek]

i wasnt cycling spell block. That will help

[teal swift]

I'd like pwar a lot more

If I wasn't fomo about mythic fryakk 1h

[warm plinth]

1st death on the last boss was you stood in a puddle and dropped from 65% to 8.7% prior to the charge and also had nothing up for the charge (not that it would have helped there anyway)

[warm plinth]

last pull*

[river creek]

Also I would like to take a moment to appreciate Heart of Fryakk that thing is a house

[teal swift]

Using 489 wep instead of fryakk 1h axe

[warm plinth]

and then last death was charge into puddle into melee (nothing up for charge)

[toxic pewter]

Pissed vdh tank won it over me

[river creek]

yeah it has really helped in just about every key

[river creek]

hoping for that in vault

obviously heroic but still should slap

[teal swift]

Yeah, I'm sure I can get it on heroix

It feels bad

I hate that using lower ilvl gear makes me upset

Weird fomo thing

It's not good enough if it's not perfection

[warm plinth]

Bring back my favorite mechanic ever

||titanforging||

[chrome falcon]

i think there's a clear distinction between "pwarr doesn't have enough utility" and "vdh utility is fucking stupid"

we have plenty utility to do the content

vdh just has way too much and can be brainless

[warm plinth]

Yeah the solution is to nerf their utility, not give us more

We have plenty

[grizzled nova]

Why not both

[dull zodiac]

2nd boss everbloom tips? It feels like clenching butcheeks there everytime tanking it

[chrome falcon]

rotate CDs properly and call for externals

[left trout]

We just talked about it you can scroll up and see the conversation

[dull zodiac]

Oh shit the odds

Thanks

Will scroll up

[left trout]

Yep some warriors went into specifics on what to do

[dull zodiac]

Ye reading it now, wow feel dumb for asking, what a coincidence:p

Thanks guys

[chrome falcon]

anyone else just having rancid trinket luck this time around

i'm still rocking spiked counterweight and the fucking mirror from murozonds

[left trout]

Good luck on your next eb

[dull zodiac]

Thank you ❤️

[chrome falcon]

are the sims on this DHT trinket broken

the caster one that doesn't drop for us

is showing as being fine

worse than rezan's but better than some other stuff

[tiny trellis]

Well I'm never not going to be raid leader if I tank

[chrome falcon]

do we want this anniversary necklace

[dusky canopy]

IMO range POV is the best for raid leading

[chrome falcon]

from kazzak

[dusky canopy]

Idk how people do it as tank honestly

[chrome falcon]

RL as tank is easy

just get a co-tank who does most of the work

and a ranged + healer officer you trust

and if the boss is hard to tank and requires focus you just delegate work to others

[tiny trellis]

I was doing all the tanking and leading for this undergeared 435ilvl in normal. He gets to the last two bosses and kicks me and others to invite his guildies

But had the audacity to send a snarky PM prior to it

[cerulean tusk]

Well, normal is all about not falling asleep as a tank, so raidleading just gives your brain something to do if nothing else.

[waxen frigate]

Ranged DPS > Tank > Heals > Melee DPS

in terms of ease imo

[plush nymph]

What is best race for prot, currently tauren, m+ player, like to dabble in to pvp every season I play, warstomp is awesome extra CC but was just looking for other educated thoughts, thank you all, YOU BEAUTIFUL WARRIORS FOR CREATING THIS COMMUNITY

[cerulean tusk]

Nelf got dodge chance and meld, it is quite neatocheato

[plush nymph]

Does meld let you go invisible, never played alliance in my life

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, kinda like a incombat stealth button

[plush nymph]

U GET VANISH

[warm plinth]

I mean...kind of. You can't move or it breaks

[cerulean tusk]

More or less, only it doesn't drop you out of combat on bosses

well - it does, if you are the only one alive

gold saved ftw

[vocal flame]

Saves you from rezen chases

[cosmic wyvern]

just timed a 20 waycrest, actually really like that dungeon now

wish the camera was less shit

[trim condor]

I just gave up on pushing with pugs.
Untimed 3 20s in a row
Everbloom last boss, I was top dps to tree add And it killed others in intermissiom
Fall, last boss, I was above third dps on that boss And we got killed in bubble enrage dps thing
Atal +21, last boss, 10 minutes, ranged were dying to Spiders, 3 wipes to then dying to Spiders And people left
I can't také this anymore

[undone verge]

if ur pugging you better be ready to be 3rd on dps

[undone verge]

they need to make it so you can basically see through ceilings and walls in there

like its a very faint outline so you can see where you're actually standing

[plush nymph]

I had to solo the last boss in atal 19 from 35% HP, the design once all ur dps dead make it so easy and you can reflect the cast that isnt skewer its a joke lol

[bleak sundial]

is the weapon in waycrest shit?

[trim condor]

Its okish in some dungeons, but I can't be 3rd in dps on last boss in fall when Its DPS chech there.
On my 460ilvl

[bleak sundial]

dont give them ideas to buff it kek

[teal swift]

Echo and liquid made everyone swap to dwarf

[bleak sundial]

dwarf is nice

[plush nymph]

I was told that there arent as many things to get rid of with dwarf racial this time around

[teal swift]

Fyrakk has shit

But that said, play the race you like the aesthetics of

[cerulean tusk]

Dog bleeds

[teal swift]

Unless there's a specific utility you want

Don't swap to dwarf for a general debuff cleanse.

Swap to dwarf because there's a specific debuff you want to cleanse

[plush nymph]

❤️ Thank you, will look in to the utility of it this season, I also just want to be small now lol

[cerulean tusk]

Swap to Nelf, because you love yourself and care about yourself

[teal swift]

I play the race I think looks the best

Unless I have a specific use for specific utility

[vocal flame]

Compared to what?

[cerulean tusk]

That being Nelf, ofc.

[teal swift]

I'm vulpera main

[plush nymph]

Gnome is scratching at the back of my mind lol, they only get the auto atk speed tho

[cerulean tusk]

... one of those

Gnomes also get increased rage cap, no?

[wind talon]

is it worth breaking tier for 2set 2set?

[trim condor]

Try to play it first. Screams on gnomes Are awful

[cerulean tusk]

When you die tho... chefs kiss Almost as good as male-Nelf

[vocal flame]

I remember a guild named gnome punting squad

[plush nymph]

YEah i just class trialed female gnome and its so obnoxious

[weary saddle]

at Rise+19 last boss deos, i splat when he uses Temporal Breath. what CDs do u cycle apart from SWall, LastStand, does Spell Reflect work

[trim condor]

True, you can Always Tell that gnome died in group haha

[winged slate]

Leap out of every other breath

You can range it with leap and take nothing

[austere lava]

Anyone have a good WA for reminding that you’re in Dstance?

[undone verge]

I had one that just displayed the word 'loser' for a while

[vocal flame]

Lmao

[undone verge]

I have remade it

[undone verge]

https://wago.io/BnlGVmFny

[quiet plank]

Looking for some gnome protection warrior name suggestions..

[undone verge]

DemorilizingShort?

might be too long

[quiet plank]

Yeah to long can only go up to 12 characters long

[undone verge]

damn

[austere lava]

So, this just says Loser when I’m in DStance? Lol

[undone verge]

yes

[austere lava]

Awesome. Haha

[teal swift]

Gnome arms might be too short

To consistently connect hits during heartoak grips

[undone verge]

babyrage?

[toxic pewter]

Love Gnome warrior

One of my fav race/class combos

[median tulip]

@quiet plank Surely "Tantrum" then?

[toxic pewter]

Asked ChatGPT for ten names:

1. TinyTitan
2. Shortstack
3. PetitePower
4. MiniMighty
5. PocketPounder
6. DiminutiveDread
7. Pintsize
8. Gnomegnasher
9. Littleshield
10. WeeWarrior

XD

WEEWARRIOR

WEEWARR

LILSHIELD

LOL

[copper lion]

on larodar, is it advisable to run out into the fire patch for charge, feel like that's too much damage

[left trout]

Lmao pocketpounder

[winged slate]

Leap out charge back in

[undone verge]

shortress

[quiet plank]

Haha I love it

[undone verge]

pocketblock

teenytank

[quiet plank]

I saw a funny one not gnome specific but it was called blockparty

[dense barn]

Starting to realize the importance of d stance

The higher these keys get

[warm plinth]

Pocketpounder is a lil sus lmao

[toxic pewter]

Lol

Not sure wat chatgpt up to with that one

[warm plinth]

chatgpt is thirsty

[cosmic kelp]

this mgiht be a dumb question but can

raid bosses be parried

[grim pilot]

Can you parry their melee? Yes

[warm plinth]

In general, yes. But most actual mechanics are unable to be parried

[winged slate]

Back in the good old days you could parry the tank debuff and laugh

[idle quartz]

Hey guys! I’m just starting to get more experience with raiding and I have a quick question. Is it normal for me to rip tank off of the other tank? I understand it can happen but like. I will immediately rip threat after a tank swap, sometimes with a single shield slam

I just spent the last 3 hours essentially staring at a wall because even one shield slam would put me at risk of going over on aggro. I am definitely coming from a place of frustration but come on

[toxic pewter]

Take the boss first

[warm plinth]

tell him to press buttons

[winged slate]

Sounds like the other tank is drooling

Please confirm or deny

[idle quartz]

I AM TAKING THE BOSS FIRST

[toxic pewter]

Yikes

[warm plinth]

DON'T YELL AT ME

[idle quartz]

After tank swap I IMMEDIATELY wind up with aggro

[winged slate]

Are they pressing taunt?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it happens a lot when other tank has no clue what they doing

[idle quartz]

I’M SORRY

[winged slate]

Or just thinking about pressing taunt

[idle quartz]

yeah they press taunt

[warm plinth]

sounds like they're taunting and then doing nothing

[winged slate]

Do they immediately go afk afterwards?

[idle quartz]

And then I’ll start going over almost immediately

[toxic pewter]

I usually exit raid if it keeps happening

[winged slate]

Do you have logs to link?

[idle quartz]

Today all it took was a single shield slam

[winged slate]

I would pay you 10 gold for logs

[idle quartz]

I can try and find them. I am not always the greatest tank myself

[winged slate]

It's okay to not be good at the game

See: Myself

[toxic pewter]

Is this your guilds other tank or a random

[idle quartz]

Guild tank

[toxic pewter]

If it’s a guild I would probably gquit at that time and place

Oh..

Awkward

[idle quartz]

Yeah after tonight I’m definitely considering. I hate to put anyone in the spotlight I rather just leave

https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/6a3xBFHqQ1yZXW8p

I’m the war he’s the bear

[toxic pewter]

I unironically have quit guilds because of this. Have had people tell me to lower my gameplay. I refuse because I always go 100%. I have not and will never artificially lower my gameplay for anyone.

[idle quartz]

Happens more closer to the end, and on vol I think

[winged slate]

I mean it's fine to chill for a few gcds initially but after one swap they should be bing chilling

[toxic pewter]

I will never chill even for a few gcd

Not even one

[winged slate]

Consider for a moment that raiding is a team sport

and being uncompromising does not make you a good team player

[toxic pewter]

I will never artificially lower my performance

Especially because it is a team

[winged slate]

"I do not care about anyone else" is a great statement for a team

[toxic pewter]

A true team will look upward and match top performers performance. Never bring them down

[winged slate]

I understand what you're attempting to say but that's not the right attitude for making things work better

[toxic pewter]

Nothing worse than bringing others down

In this life

And I never will apologize for doing my best and giving my all every pull

[winged slate]

Refusing to help the team isn't exactly your best but you can be hardheaded all you want

[toxic pewter]

I only give my best

[winged slate]

Your best just isn't that good then

Anyway Lamp which bosses specifically were the issue(s)?

[toxic pewter]

You want to tear others down that is the definition of poor team spirit

For shame

[winged slate]

I want to encourage people to work together to solve the issue, not refuse to change because I'm stubborn

[toxic pewter]

I will never compromise on my own performance

Never lower myself artificially

Disgusting that you condone that to be honest

[winged slate]

We get it you're stubborn

Moving on

[toxic pewter]

It’s vile and you are in the wrong.

[idle quartz]

I know I ripped on Vol and Fyrakk. Then on Heroic Lar it was happening again and again. And I left early bc I thought we were done lmao

[winged slate]

It definitely shouldn't happen repeatedly, the first swap it can happen a little

[idle quartz]

It was just a whole lot of my threat detectors sounding the alarms because I was flying high

[winged slate]

You're definitely doing a ton more boss damage than the bear on Fyrakk, at least

[toxic pewter]

Need to go even harder to be honest. Never stop striving to be better

And never apologize either

You’re doing nothing wrong

[winged slate]

17.5m to 12.75m, he needs to improve boss damage

He should also be taunting if his threat drops too low and you're pulling off

Is it a guild tank, or just some rando?

[idle quartz]

Guild tank

[quiet plank]

This is random to the current topic at hand but I’m looking to start setting up my new gnome tank and looking to start fresh with a new UI and add on setup which some questions.

1. What seems to be the mostly widely used elvUI profile people like. I’m currently using quazii does anybody else have recommendations?

2. Which weak auras seem to stand out on top for us with most widely used/useful

3. Does anybody recommend a visual scrolling combat text to know if certain abilities going against you is physically or magical. Back in day I had MiksScrolling combat text. Is this still beneficial? Or just read more guides

[winged slate]

I would encourage him to work on boss DPS overall, and make sure he has some sort of threat meter

Watching your own threat while you're tanking is relatively easy, since you can just taunt again to catch up

If he's losing threat in the first few globals following a taunt, the only real fix is for him to improve DPS

If you pulling aggro in that window is killing you, then you might have to chill for a few globals until he either gets hit shit together, or you find someone else to replace him

[toxic pewter]

Wat ain’t nobody got time to watch threat.. just keep doing damage and going 100%. When your raid leader/guild master inevitably tells you to stop doing so much damage and artificially lower your performance, gquit at that time and place because ive seen it time and time again trying to blame the guy ripping threat when they’re just doing their job

[winged slate]

Your reading comprehension isn't the best apb

[idle quartz]

I really appreciate you for being supportive, but please stop trying to prove to us that you’re the coolest guy in town

[toxic pewter]

I am just telling it like it is

[winged slate]

Right, that's why I said that the bear tank should be watching his own threat

Not Lamp

The bear needs to be taunting again if he starts losing threat

In fact, doesn't incarn give you no taunt CD? He can cast it a couple times if he's gonna incarn once he starts

Just don't make the boss taunt immune

Side note, his trinkets are turbo dogshit and he should replace them

[cerulean tusk]

While I get where ABP is coming from, some times you must work with your cotank.

Don't bulldozer over someone, just because. Go with the pace set, then talk with your cotank after the raid to fix it

The times I have helped pug tanks is too many to count, but they all show will and want to improve. That goes double for guild

[winged slate]

The vast majority of the time that you work with people to help them improve... it works

[cerulean tusk]

Once you got a cotank that plays with you tho, it is fun times. Worth keeping your claws in at all costs

[idle quartz]

I’d definitely rather try and work with them some. It’s hard to be reasonable sometimes when you get frustrated

Thanks you guys I appreciate it. I’ll see if I can find a way to mention it to our guild leader in a way that is non-accusatory

[cerulean tusk]

You two have a good tone other than the problem? If vibe is bad, moving on could be for the best

Ya want to have someone you can have fun with, as tanking gets quite stale if you don't play

[winged slate]

It's an easy fix tbh

[idle quartz]

Yeah definitely. I’m kind of the one who can be super uptight, although I’ve never lost my cool with a guildie lol.

He’s just gotta pump that damage up

[winged slate]

If that dude can get some real trinkets it'll probably help a ton

Did you see what he has on?

Stamina trinket + shitty absorb trinket that does nothing

If he can snag some proper damage trinkets it'll help a lot

[idle quartz]

Oh yeah I did see that

Almost thought the first was a cataclysmic signet

[winged slate]

It may just be a case of "that's all I've got"

But hopefully he has something better in his bags that he forgot

[cerulean tusk]

Or a raidleader telling him to be defencive tank in /w

[winged slate]

No way someone is convincing me that a stamina trinket is defensive

[idle quartz]

Yeah I was questioning some of his gear choices last reason too

[urban portal]

have you explained to him how threat works?

[toxic pewter]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

That sounds so toxic, I would go the 'I want to test something, mind going more agro so I i don't rip threat?' angle

Someone who does bad and knows it, is usually fragile

[idle quartz]

It’s fun to joke! But I’d rather make nice with the people I’m in a box with. I did get testy with him a little today and I feel bad.

But also

He was using these last season

Are these… even dragonflight gems

[toxic pewter]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

Never seen those, neat

[toxic pewter]

Yea they are df gems just cheap ones

[grim pilot]

aren't they the ones u need for jc quest

[idle quartz]

Ah okay. Gold may be an issue then

[grim pilot]

u can buy r1 better ones

for like 100g

also not gemming/enchanting because "gold is an issue" is a piss poor excuse

wq's pay like 700g per quest

take an hour, do them

[cerulean tusk]

Gold is not the issue, it is clearly knowledge. Prob misinformation from APB

[toxic pewter]

wat

[cerulean tusk]

[toxic pewter]

I mean having a conversation with the guy could help I just don’t want to see others lower themselves but yeah I bet it will work out

[idle quartz]

Probably all it was. I wish I had brought it up sooner. I was new to raiding last season too, lol, and didn’t want to come down on someone else when I’m probably right on that level

[toxic pewter]

Sometimes people just bad at tanking and hard to correct that

[grim pilot]

If someone is ripping agro from you and you're not doing things to make your gameplay better you're straight up inting

I got exponentially better at my bdk in a span of 2 days because I have had my logs reviewed

And I'm still giga bad fyi because I've been playing the class for 2 weeks

[cerulean tusk]

Help playing BDK

Death strike

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

[grim pilot]

focus more on dnd, remember to use some offensive macros, focus on your bone shield stacks, use rune weapon on cd instead of trying to have it as defensive

[prisma crane]

what embellishments do we use these days?

[grim pilot]

shit like that helped me become much better

[idle quartz]

In his defense this is probably the first time it’s happened consistently. I made some weakauras today and my shield slams and Violent Outbursts are much higher

[cerulean tusk]

Allied + SF, or double SF

[toxic pewter]

Shield slam do be hitting hard and does cause a lot of threat

[grim pilot]

So it has happened before

[prisma crane]

ty

[cerulean tusk]

SS crits will rip early on, that happens, nothing a taunt or beacon can't fix

[toxic pewter]

Yeah if he taunts more will just help

[idle quartz]

Especially if I manage to line up VO, LS and some stacks of, whatever that skill is

[toxic pewter]

Punish

Prob

[median tulip]

My cotank opens with beacon and I rip aggro from him lul

[cerulean tusk]

I was BDK with Pwarr S1, I was undergeared. Glad grip is a taunt button

[idle quartz]

I’ll see if he has threat tracker

[grim pilot]

It is?

xD

I only did 1 raid as bdk

it was aberrus heroic as 395 bdk

[toxic pewter]

Yah death grip also has a taunt component

[grim pilot]

wasnt too fun

And the fact I played that class for literally 2 days didn't help

[cerulean tusk]

I wish I could experience that again, sounds like fun
I would have to play monk, hell no.

[grim pilot]

I only tanked as war and bdk, I have plenty of options left

I also did like 2 +17's as ppal in s2 but was very weird

[median tulip]

I've tried to level DK but I always bounced off the class

[grim pilot]

I never level tbh

I just buy lvl boosts

200-300k and then just go afk and do irl shit

[cerulean tusk]

Once you go BDK, you never go back

[median tulip]

It's just so slow

[grim pilot]

seems like I went back

[idle quartz]

I live and die by the shield, prot warrior for life. My muscle memory would get too fucked playing alts

Maybe could do a dps

[grim pilot]

vs my pwar

2 keys ahead

[cerulean tusk]

Try BDK lamp, trust

Once you done 4x the HpS of the whole raid team... it changes you

[median tulip]

I do DPS on my Shaman

[idle quartz]

I may. I think I could get behind other tanks

It may be my project once I get my pwar at a good hearing stage

[median tulip]

Only blizz alternate between ignoring Shaman and fucking it up

[grim pilot]

Wait what's wrong with shamans

[cerulean tusk]

My shaman friends are either depressed or... soon to be depressed

[grim pilot]

Enha is extremely strong, ele is strong too and rsham is pretty good

[proven nova]

anyone else notice that the ursine vengance trinket stacks just drop off randomly?

[grim pilot]

Only issue is rng in openers

that's annoying asf

[median tulip]

Enhance just feels really disjointed and unsatisfying to play right now

[cerulean tusk]

Sorry, Gattsu, never used it

What do logs say?

[median tulip]

Yeah, it's a known issue. It's been reported a lot but blizz haven't even acknowledged that the issue exists.

[proven nova]

ah ok then, well at least im not crazy

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair its thanksgiving weekend

maybe they'll look into it next week

[brave stirrup]

how is our damage compared to say a vdh

[warm plinth]

That is an amazing combination of trinkets right there.

[winged slate]

:^)

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[grizzled nova]

keys or st?

[brave stirrup]

keys

if starting now, how many sparks am i behind?

[maiden ravine]

0

You'll get extra splintered to catch up

You can earn up to two sparks this week.

1 half will be quest, two from raid, dungeons 3
etc, last half will be from weekly A Worthy Ally quest.

[bleak sundial]

what's our off set piece?

[winged slate]

Helm ideally

[bleak sundial]

ok thanks boss

[winged slate]

4pc is 4pc though

Beggars can't be choosers

[bleak sundial]

wellph reset nearing though

trying to farm teh heroic track gears

for cata

[winged slate]

Yeah if you have the luxury to choose then that's your choice

[lost wyvern]

is there any big CD we can press before starting the key?

[winged slate]

If you have old 4pc you can dunk last stand on the timer

[bleak sundial]

im still 2pc im very sadge

[winged slate]

Gives you the aoe shield slam for extra threat

[cinder nova]

I mean, you can send LS even with 2p

T30 2p was when we respecced Bolster UnFoc

4p was just gravy and cleave.

[winged slate]

Sure if you just don't want your last stand available you can waste it

The 4pc is the reason you'd waste it prepull

[cinder nova]

...

Are-... are you real?

We almost never use LS as a pure defense button the entirety of last season unless you're either the bleeding edge of CE - like HoF and barely cresting the gear curve to dump on M Sark and Nelth

Or you're pushing up high 20s in M+

The CDR and DPS value is all of its power.

Not sending it on CD is actually throwing.

[winged slate]

Right but pressing it early for no benefit doesn't accomplish anything with 2pc

The point of sending it during the timer is the 4pc

Obviously you want to cycle it in combat nonstop

[cinder nova]

Oh you're talking about mY mEtA prekey.

[winged slate]

Yes that is the question I was answering

[cinder nova]

Yeah, honestly you didn't need it, and some keys kinda didn't work much like NL

But it's good if you got it

No real reason not to unless you got bonobo brain and forget half your keys like me

Speaking of keys incongruent with shit we do/use

Half the roster for S3 just absolutely loathes Signet

Kinda malds me

[long bone]

Which loot spec do you generally use as Prot warR?

[hollow sun]

Prot warr

[restive scroll]

If you don't have a shield / are aiming for a specific trinket -> prot
if you don't have a main hand -> fury
Otherwise -> arm

Depends on key/boss though, I change depending on loot table to get higher chance of the loot I want

[long bone]

That makes sense. Thanks!

[pallid quiver]

so uh

if you press last stand before the key

you get last stand back

you

don't waste anything

Even with bolster, it still resets

it's the same thing with meta

it's literally a free CD use

For the record, Rally also will come back since it's baseline 3 min CD, which is the cutoff point

so like in SL with Necro banner, you could LS+Rally into Fleshcraft shield to get a larger shield at the start

and still have LS for the first pull to fuel banner

[sharp grove]

i thought you didn't take bolster anymore tho?

since your 4 set likely plays more around bloodborne or spell block?

also guys i got a question, i been trying to use this wa recently.

[WeakAuras: Greyrat-TarrenMill - Spell Reflect Remind and Announce - Season 3]

but when my deflect is ready to use it doesn't announce it to the team. so the spells i am trying to deflect gets kicked.

but a successful deflect does get a announcement.

any ideas?

[pallid quiver]

imagine having 4p already

[pallid quiver]

And I'd just make a macro that yells when you press Spell Reflect if I were to have a macro/wa of any sort

that being said

i just don't and accept that everything's going to get kicked, because you're either in an organized group calling out kicks,

or you're in a pug where people will kick what they want

[sharp grove]

i have 3 p

and i can't sadly play 2 p old set 2 p new set

too much loss for higher keys i felt

[pallid quiver]

you do you boss

[sharp grove]

ty boss

[undone verge]

I dropped 2/2 for 3 set for like 40 ilvl a

[sharp grove]

is it worth it ?

for you?

[normal thunder]

can someone clarify what leaping the breath on oakheart means? Are we leaping away to outrange it?

[undone verge]

100%

Id say I’d it’s more than 20 ilvl 100%

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, just outrange

they follow you if you go side to side, so

[sharp grove]

im dumb lmao i only lost 2 ilvls for it, went from 471 to 469

[undone verge]

What the pieces ilvl difference?

[sharp grove]

441-463 hands

447-463 chest

[patent osprey]

Buff Prot Warrior

[sharp grove]

agreed

imagine not being able to do 60% of dot dmg smh

[undone verge]

Give prot warrior deathstrike

[sharp grove]

xd

not needed

[undone verge]

I’ve solved our magic dmg problems

[sharp grove]

give impeeding victory a 5 sec cd

[undone verge]

That would be so broken lol

[sharp grove]

inpending

[pallid quiver]

duality of man

[sharp grove]

and death strike wouldnt?

heal back the dmg u take?

[pallid quiver]

these past 24 hours have not been kind to the electric rat

[undone verge]

It would be perfectly balanced because I say so

[sharp grove]

the balance has to be around inpending victory imo

[undone verge]

Real talk tho can we remove impending victory’s rage cost. Like it’s so pointless and annoying

[sharp grove]

or increase his base line mr

[sharp grove]

agreed

frustrating

i always have that very rarely rage starvation then then u need to use it

[undone verge]

@patent osprey how do you live last boss on rise above a 19 key

[sharp grove]

spell block

pray to god

[undone verge]

I’m usually praying all of p1

[patent osprey]

Posting yt vid of the 25 i did tom on yt

[undone verge]

I love you

[sharp grove]

damn

[patent osprey]

Or u can see my vod of it today from the morning on my twitch

Just leap range every other

[sharp grove]

hows prot feel on 25?

fine? lackluster? good?

[patent osprey]

Prot feels good on all keys right now

Timed a 26 fall and everbloom today. Both rank 1 keys

[sharp grove]

i take it 4 set give the right amount of defensives then?

[pallid quiver]

I'm obligated to mention that spell block does jack all to the breath specifically; it only blocks the initial damage, but does nothing for the dot

[patent osprey]

Prot is super sturdy

[patent osprey]

The intial is alot of damage as well

[undone verge]

Yeah it feels leaps and bounds better than it did last season at least for me

[sharp grove]

it does reduce 25% spell dmg for 5 sec no?

[pallid quiver]

no

[undone verge]

That’s spell reflect

[pallid quiver]

it just enables you to block magic

[pallid quiver]

On your key levels, definitely, yeah, hits like a truck. On the key levels I'm assuming being discussed, most people die to the dot+add damage

so spell block does still actually help with that, since it blocks the add casts,

But if you're struggling specifically with the breath dot it's not really gonna help with that one

[sharp grove]

srry i thought u meant deflect

[undone verge]

I’ve gotta run like an 18 or 19 rise this week for io and I think if I run double SW talent and just rotate LS SB and SWx2 I’ll be fine

[sharp grove]

i mean i have a 139 block chance with shield block

[patent osprey]

I dont run double sw talent for any key

[sharp grove]

wouldn't that apply to spell block then?

[pallid quiver]

Also, 4p isn't that much more defensive ability over just 2p, which gives 10%; the 4p usually only gives you an extra 4% on top, which isn't that much more defensiveness, though it'll definitely be noticeable when you're taking 25 keys level of scaling

[sharp grove]

meaning you mitigate it

[patent osprey]

The single sw much nicer this season

Since u use so many ss

Due to 4 set

[pallid quiver]

Double SW will cause you to SW less breaths overall, which will definitely hurt a lot

[sharp grove]

ss? sw?

[pallid quiver]

Spell block just enables you to block spells that are blockable

The breath dot is not blockable, even with spell block

So you'd reduce the initial hit with it, and then it does nothing

[sharp grove]

then likely run double shield wall for that key

[pallid quiver]

Shield Slam and Shield Wall, probably our two most main abilities rotationally and cooldown wise

[pallid quiver]

see above

[sharp grove]

i see ty, didn think of the short versions

[patent osprey]

Sorry 5 am. Too lazy to type longform

[pallid quiver]

All double shield wall does for you is give you two back to back shield walls; after that, you're effectively on normal Shield Wall cooldown

[sharp grove]

i've been running it single till now

hurts, but been doable so far

but if spell block is useless ?

what to take instead of that?

since it doesn't allow you to take bloodborne

[pallid quiver]

As also discussed, spell block helps with the initial hit and the adds, plus it helps a lot with the trash throughout the dungeon

[patent osprey]

The only key u dont really need spell block is AD and Waycrest

[pallid quiver]

You can get heavy use out of spell block in almost every dungeon, so it's probably fine to just keep 100% of the time. If you want to fuss with taking it off, Pika's right on those two being the ones to go for

[patent osprey]

Every other key its really useful

I even use spell block in waycrest just to make witches even easier

[sharp grove]

my question still stands then, what do you take instead of spell block in the dungeons u dont use

[patent osprey]

U take the same talent but other option

The spike thing

[pallid quiver]

Tough as Nails

[patent osprey]

Cause u want punish

[sharp grove]

is it actually that good?

[patent osprey]

And u never need bolster anymore

[sharp grove]

havent used it so far

[pallid quiver]

It's a non-zero amount of additional damage

[patent osprey]

Its just fine.

[pallid quiver]

It's not astounding, but it is damage you'll notice over time

[sharp grove]

yeah and ur not allowed to take bloodborne instead, thinking it would fit with the new 2/4 set

[pallid quiver]

The issue with bloodborne in this scenario is that it takes 2 points to get you to Punish

which is the more important talent over there

[sharp grove]

yea but lets say u take off bolster and put it in bloodborne ur not allowed to save that page, so u would need 2 points which would punish your build instead

[pallid quiver]

If you look at the comfy weekly damage parsing easy key level build, Spell Block and Tough are both skipped, along with Bloodsurge, in order to get points into Bloodborne

So it's currently not the worst choice for sheer damage,

you just have to give up a non-zero amount of not die for it

[sharp grove]

i see, thanks

also got a question for the left side page

with if u get 4 set

do we wanna spec into this

[pallid quiver]

No, because we don't have points for it. Unless you want to say "fuck stopping any casts and keeping the group alive, that's for nerds"

[sick sentinel]

[blazing condor]

If you go full damage no defensive build (if you do lower keys for example) you can spec into that

And also put points into bloodborne

But then youd give up things like spell block / shockwave

[sharp grove]

nah not worth it

for spell block maybe, but not shockwave

[worldly marsh]

are you typically in battle or def stance?

[blazing condor]

you kinda view defensive stance as a defensive cooldown you use when needed

so almost all of the time you will be in battle stance

but if youre taking heavy damage you switch over and sit in def stance

like last boss murozonds rise