protection

[chilly brook]

I was more interested in whether or not it actually procs a lot

the proc itself is dubious but just curious

[desert wind]

So when I'm trying to get trinkets, should I use blootmallet or wowhead for sourcing?

[solemn current]

Anything that would cause dps to get melee'd on first boss of WM despite no threat issues? Doesn't seem like it's ever been an issue but a couple melee getting melee'd in a 23 at seemingly random.

[undone verge]

Wowhead is written by theory crafters on what they decide is the best trinket both offensively and deffensively. Bloodmallet is going to only value the dps gain of the trinket, so whatever you prioritize most

There isn’t really a wrong answer either

[desert wind]

@undone verge tbh I want dps trinkets and defensive trinkets 🤣

[median tulip]

Even the answer to that will change based on circumstances. And bugfixes.

[solar dagger]

is there a point with haste that i would want to go away from it and more towards crit/vers? or do i just stack haste?

[undone verge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear wowhead has the best defensive and offensive trinkets in the bis lists for m+ and raid

[undone verge]

Did it occur when they swapped the iris?

[median tulip]

The second stage of Diminishing Returns at 7100 Rating is where you really start to see less value from continuing to increase Haste

[median tulip]

Note as well that Diminishing Returns only applies to Haste RATING; raw Haste % (which is what you mostly get from Talents like Into The Fray and Enduring Alacrity) isn't subject to DR at all.

[median tulip]

By the same principle, be aware that chunky Stat procs or on use effects from Trinkets - which almost always give Rating - will push you over the DR threshold

[zinc root]

mirror of fractured tomorrows trinket any good for prot ? lol

[waxen sorrel]

God damn that Axe does some work

[waxen sorrel]

There is a trinket section on wowhead its average

[latent cargo]

Tree boss and DhT picks me and destroys me. How do you guys deal with that thing?

[waxen sorrel]

I shall say what I was told the other day.
Log your runs so people can help you

its a lot easier to see whats what with that

[zinc root]

which axe?

[waxen sorrel]

5th dmg on the screenshot
The one from Fyrakk

[limpid tide]

Very cool, how much DMG taken was it to you?

[waxen sorrel]

4,12 mil for the run

[bleak breach]

Yeah it pumps

[outer hedge]

Hey any tips on defensive keybinds? Been mixing around using the same as my dps defensive keybinds and diff ones but still struggling on a set spot

[winged slate]

Just pick comfortable binds that you don't have to reach for

What that means is different for everyone

[undone verge]

I use R for shield wall middle mouse button for last stand and E for spell block. The only downside to having SW so close to WASD and my early numbers is I do accidentally press it every once and a while

[waxen sorrel]

I got last stand on Shift + 1 shield block shift + e shield wall is mouse 8.
Always had CDs on modifers and more main abilities on non modifers

though I should move shield block to a non modifer

[lusty grotto]

wall one, sr each one, ask for a defensive in between wall cds, be in dstance

and yes shield block shouldnt be on a modifier key

[sick sentinel]

Anyone have a working non error throwing auto marker they would like to share please?

[onyx matrix]

I use shift-1 2 3 and 4

[waxen sorrel]

https://wago.io/1ctv3b91K
I use this as far as I know I don't get any errors

[teal swift]

Your item text looks like it belongs in a manhwa

[still crater]

Just bricked a 20dht cuz I couldn't handle tree grip. Without spell block or wall/dstance I'm just getting destroyed. Yall got any tips or is this a thing I just don't have gear for?

Oh hey I scrolled up and someone else is getting fucked the same way

[wheat bronze]

Are you eating the breath and wasting defensives on that?

[pallid quiver]

I'm also obligated to mention that I'm fairly certain the grip is not spell blockable

[jagged gust]

to quote @ionic fern Leap the breath.
Use Defensive stance + a defensive/IP spam for each grab.
Inform the healer before hand "This hurts".
That's about as much as you can do as a warrior.
Can also plan IV/Pots/Rallying.
That's abut all you can do.

We're just not built to tank heavy tyr without cheese this season, lots of leaping

[median tulip]

I've done it to a +19 by rotating Wall and Pain Supression CDs. If I had to PUG that place I would seriously consider running Immovable Object instead of Unstoppable Force on Tyrannical weeks.

[still crater]

it is, it's nature, and when I spell blocked it's the only time I didn't take damage, though I can't pull the log to show cuz it corrupted

[still crater]

I was actually, didn't realize I could dodge it

[wheat bronze]

I don't know if you still can, but back in Legion, you could also leap the throw to prevent that damage

[median tulip]

It's like Deios's breath; it has a max range, and you can leap out. In truth though, it doesn't hurt that much.

[still crater]

Nah, I was blowing sr on it so I could keep the big ones, but then the grip comes while it's still down. I'll definitely keep dodging the breath to have sr for each grip in mind. Thanks guys!

[still crater]

I was really debating it too. Can barely get second wall before third grip sometimes, if at all. PRetty terrible

[median tulip]

IMO the three worst boss fights this season are Deios, Oakheart and the Council fight in Everbloom

[pallid quiver]

just because something's magic damage does not mean it's spell blockable, so without a log, I'm defaulting to past experiences and what I've heard

[pallid quiver]

You can, but it's not recommended, since you can leap to avoid the breath damage instead, which is more damage to you

[jagged gust]

It's not reflectable, but the DR should still work

[median tulip]

I Shield Charge the throw, Leap the breath

[pallid quiver]

Yep, you can't spell block the grip, at least as of Monday; I picked a random log where someone took the hit with spellblock up and it didn't block anything

[wheat bronze]

I'm looking at a log and it looks like it technically blocks the throw but not the grip

[pallid quiver]

i'm seeing the same thing, which is funny

[still crater]

That's really interesting. And also confusing as to how the times I used block are also the only times I hit the ground topped

[pallid quiver]

its super funny because the chinese log i looked at, he took more damage every time he took it with spell block up

[wheat bronze]

Probably because he throught it did something and didn't use a defensive that actually worked 🙂

The flags on the spell are pretty clear, though

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=204611/crushing-grip / https://www.wowhead.com/spell=204643/crushing-grip

"Cannot be dodged, parried or blocked"

The throw doesn't have it https://www.wowhead.com/spell=204658/crushing-grip

[teal swift]

Also pierces immunities

[still crater]

That's so fucking confusing. how do you know which is which?

[fallen flame]

What's the strat to live it? I'm struggling on it also

[teal swift]

Shield wall, externals

Last stand

[wheat bronze]

Leap the breath so you're not low going into it
Use spell reflection + defensive for the grip
Shield Charge the throw

[teal swift]

Spell reflect

[still crater]

They said leap the breath so you don't waste sr, then wall/sr/dstance one, demo/sr/dstance the other, and get externals

[wheat bronze]

Look at the damage events in logs

[still crater]

Fair

Reasons I wish my log wasn't fucked up. Only that dungeon too, the one before it came out fine.

[jagged pier]

U can also just save your offensive cds for it as they front load u with rage

So u can spam IP during it

Also save IV and pot

[still crater]

All sound advice. Thanks again yall

[woven torrent]

is it better to go for higher ilvl or lower and versa for tanks?

[stiff bear]

Do you just leap away from the boss or side leap it?

[pallid quiver]

straight away; you outrange it

[teal swift]

Sim for damage or use higher ilvl

[pallid quiver]

Higher ilvl pretty much always, even on jewelry. More stats just at all is more survival

[woven torrent]

ok

[teal swift]

Stamina while not sought out

Does translate into more hps

If you have specific talents

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, crit is usually better overall for survival in keys, too, considering it gives you parry, which nullfies the most common damage type in dungeons

[woven torrent]

yea i need more survivability rn

[pallid quiver]

then play better, to be blunt

[woven torrent]

at 445 feels like some bosses slap me at +16 and above

[teal swift]

Gameplay is where you get survivability

[pallid quiver]

You can comfortably hit up to 20s in 441

If you can't there's usually play issues of some sort

[woven torrent]

not sure what i was supposed to do more at the tree in dht

but it was like

[pallid quiver]

Not utilizing defensives fully/gimpng your rage gen

[woven torrent]

taking off my full ignore pain

[teal swift]

Send a log

[woven torrent]

in some phases

welp next time i do it

i wasnt logging

[pallid quiver]

Leap breath so you don't use proper defensives off it, then rotate your defensives/be in defensive stance

[teal swift]

So we can see what happens frame by frame

[woven torrent]

also first boss in atal dazar

when he starts casting the fear

the adds start chunking me

is there something i should do there specifically?

[pallid quiver]

have your group not run over 17 skeleton piles

[woven torrent]

lmao

fair enough

[teal swift]

Also, not taunting boss through 5 piles on oull

That bleed also fucking slaps hard as shit

Like it is real hard

[civic holly]

yo! what kinda uptime are we getting on 2 set buff? how many ppm anyone know?

[pallid quiver]

It's not really PPM, it's a hard percentage per ability

see pins

[civic holly]

woah ip 90% chance

woah woah woah

amazing thanks!

[lost wyvern]

has thunder clap radius always been this small? im having massive issues getting threat on large pulls in m+ where dps start aoeing the second i enter combat

8 yards seems hilariously shitty

[pallid quiver]

A lot of expacs prior, we've had the talent that extends T Clap range be a viable option, but it's currently competing with blood and thunder, so

So if you're used to the range of T Clap with that, then yes, it's smaller. Otherwise, it's been this small, yes

[echo egret]

1. removing Sidearms to take Berserker rage, is that a big loss ?
2. I'm doing lots of M+ and 1 only raid night a week. What's the best setup to sim myself ? I suspect Patchwerk doesn't do M+ justice.

[jagged pier]

Theres no unavoidable fears to takeing zerker rage is a waste.

[echo egret]

I know that, it's just the accidental ones I like to get out of.

Plus it's been iconic since launch, i don't like removing it suddenly.

[jagged gust]

Sidearm damage is minute, feel free to respec if you want

1, 1.5% overall iirc?

[echo egret]

it ties with my question #2 haha

[jagged gust]

Generally people suggest to sim at 1.5/3/5 minutes

5mins for single target, 3 for multi and 1.5 for big aoe

can change numbers around for more accuracy, someone gave a good example earlier today

You'll see things like mastery start to pull ahead in terms of damage in big aoe pulls, so just try to find a good balance between the ST and aoe

[woven torrent]

u guys think this looks like a normal overall for a BRH 18?

or should i use thunder clap more

[cinder nova]

way more

what was your overall

[woven torrent]

some pulls it feels like im overstacking rage even while IP is on 100% so i just end up spamming revenge

[cinder nova]

you don't give a shit about overcapping IP

just send it on IP it's a rage dump for a reason

revenge if you're like... over 60 rage iirc

[warm plinth]

Revenge is your default press but if you can't prevent overcapping rage by revenge alone then you IP

[ionic fern]

This was my brh 24

Note Revenge.

[cinder nova]

Damn what psychopath goes assassin when OL is mooning.

[woven torrent]

i think ass is good too

but it's my friend and he just likes the spec more

[teal swift]

tell that to my sub rogue

He doesn't want to go anything other than sub

[hollow sun]

Leave him be, people were saying the same about me and my protection warrior in SL

[teal swift]

Long time no see

[undone verge]

are you running bloodborne

your bleeds are doing like 700 more dps than mine

[teal swift]

Idm people playing bad classes, optimize the specs on those bad classes

[undone verge]

id rather someone play a bad class that theyre good at than a good class they are bad at

[teal swift]

He's a really good outlaw

He's just playing sub for some reason

[hollow sun]

When people play bad specs because they like them it's way more likely that they will become good at them even when they are bad. Then when your spec becomes actually good you do double the dmg of some bozo that rerolled from retri to outlaw.

Yesterday I literally did double the damage of a 465 outlaw on my 444 outlaw. To be fair the guy even apologized and said that the spec was harder than he thought, but the point still stands

[teal swift]

That's fair. This guy is a rogue one trick, he's actually good at all 3 specs

His skill peaks on an outlaw, he's just fucking with sub rn.

[hollow sun]

I am a 2 trick, never touched sub if not in PvP

[teal swift]

Are you the EU maxion I played classic With

[hollow sun]

But outlaw is such a fun spec, now the gameplay loop feels extremely good

[teal swift]

I remember a Maxion from first iteration of classic, played a warrior

[hollow sun]

EU yes, but I play only retail

[teal swift]

Ah dang too good to be true

[cinder nova]

Yeah but tank balance hasn't decided viable CE in years.

[teal swift]

He helped me fix the savedinstence

[cinder nova]

viable DPS is always gonna wag the tail

[hollow sun]

This is true

[teal swift]

I support groups class changing if it actually lets them push further, for some reason it's always the people doing like 24-25 keys that think hey need to be a bear druid to push past 30s

And it's like class choice isn't your issue homie

[cinder nova]

Bro there's legit people trying to hypermeta in sub 20

[hollow sun]

At the same time I enjoy playing with friends more than just to pick based on the spec

[cinder nova]

Honestly, idgaf what people play, just pull your weight.

[hollow sun]

And eventually you get CE anyways

[cinder nova]

Do that and we're square

[teal swift]

I'd rather our rogue be outlaw though

Would make things super smooth

[cinder nova]

OL do be cranking

OL + Havoc + BM

[hollow sun]

Havoc is insane

[cinder nova]

They can houdini entire quad pulls

Like fucking david copperfield

[hollow sun]

I cope by not doing dungeons with them so I can think to be good at outlaw

[teal swift]

Low keys like 15-22

Havocs gonna look a lot stronger

Extremely front loaded

As pulls get longer

The gap shrinks

So it ends up like 15-20% ahead

Instead of like 69%

LOL

[cinder nova]

True, but the true value of havoc is that you can be AOE spec and still crank in ST

[teal swift]

Havocs still overtuned as shit

[cinder nova]

so they're a super stronk DPS as long as they can perform, now they're just kinda batshit

[teal swift]

But most of the community is seeing a class that's just doubling the bad specs

[cinder nova]

I legit wanna try and do a key with OL havoc BM and get a catweaver that knows how to break 100K in big pulls

Then just see how fast we can time

[teal swift]

The high end is seeing an ovetuned spec doing 15-20% more

The low end sees havocs soloing keys LOL

[teal swift]

Love to see it

[hollow sun]

From bizcord

[teal swift]

Would wanna see the log dps

[cinder nova]

Does the log DPS axe the buff?

[teal swift]

Seeing how close the tank is

[teal swift]

Yes

[hollow sun]

No idea

[teal swift]

No ozumat bullshit

[cinder nova]

Oooo yeah

[teal swift]

Equalizes it

[cinder nova]

I'd like to scope that

[teal swift]

And also fixes auggie contribution

[hollow sun]

As for myself I am still doing 17s-19s with friends. Usually I never go past 22 in the season

[cinder nova]

If you wanted you could just have live augi contribution

the meter overlay for WCL does work, just ugly and slow

holy shit it's 2am

[teal swift]

I think atal or EB is a good slice for damage contribution

[cinder nova]

I gotta be up in 3.5 hours

I am so toast

[hollow sun]

Na?

[teal swift]

Yeah that's like Cali / Vancouver time

[hollow sun]

I just woke up

[teal swift]

It's like 2am

I don't have a reason to be awake

So I'll read

Until I pass out

[hollow sun]

What?

Still processing slowly

[teal swift]

I just sleep when me tired

Wake when me not

Repeat until dead

It's my life

[hollow sun]

Add some good copes and it's mine as well

[undone verge]

god damn west coasters

[opaque quest]

You can sleep when youre dead. Before that work your ass off so you can afford nice things

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-money-vince-mcmahon-money-wwe-capitalism-gif-23623669

[teal swift]

Nice things in 2023

Toilet paper

Food

Fresh fruit

Rent

[opaque quest]

wdym toilet paper and fresh fruit

Look at mr high standards

[teal swift]

[wind oak]

@shut summit in your spreadsheet you say that in AD the Colossus Soul burner ability isnt reflectable

[teal swift]

Bro I ate a $6cad cantaloupe today

I felt pure luxury

[opaque quest]

My energy bill goes up cause my old contract runs out in december. Im paying 3€ more now per month. I will never financially recover from that

[wind oak]

but i'm 99% sure i can

[teal swift]

Quitting smoking like 6 years ago

Was the best financial decision I've ever made

[opaque quest]

Glad i never smoked. But i had to get a "house/roommate" to afford my life

[teal swift]

I call them my parents

[opaque quest]

[opaque quest]

Slam lmao

What is this. 2016?

[bronze locust]

Is that a thing? You can leap out of oakheart grip and avoid the damage?

[blazing condor]

you can leap away from the throw if the dps he throws you at is far enough away

apparently

i did it yesterday and lept the breath though and had no issues

[jagged pier]

the throe doesnt do anything

u leap the breath

[bronze locust]

Ah I thought it meant something like cancelling the mechanic, leaping out before the grip starts hurting

[blazing condor]

how many stacks in p3 fyrakk do we comfortably take

just curious

did it on normal and it was ez (obviously)

[pallid quiver]

Well, they're permanent stacks

[jagged pier]

there isnt a numberr u have to keep them as low as possible

[pallid quiver]

so ideally yeah

that

He does two back to back, so usually I taunt after every two applications

[jagged pier]

u swap each stack

[pallid quiver]

that's probably more optimal, but you both end up with 2 additional between every seed, anyhow, on heroic

i just don't like the dragon shaking as much because it causes pugs to go crazy

[blazing condor]

i mean its obviously a burn phase and you wanna keep stacks down

i get that

just curious what you guys have been sitting on

when u get the kills

[pallid quiver]

2 if it dies at first seed, 4 if second, 6 if third, :L

[blazing condor]

[pallid quiver]

Alternatively

like 8 or something nutso because the other tank is waiting for DBM to yell

[blazing condor]

i took 8 yesterday on normal cus my co tank was undergeared and died all the time

his 3rd stack did like 90% his hp

it was a slow asf kill

[ionic fern]

No.

Still running the old build since i only got 2p.

[blazing condor]

[onyx hearth]

What macros do you guys use?

[pallid quiver]

cursor and at feet macros for ravager

I don't use the IP macro in pins because I just slam both of the buttons together on my MMO mouse when it comes to that, piano-ing from IP to SS

Oh, mouseover charge and focus interrupt, too

[hollow sun]

Mouse over kick, CC, charge, Ip and ss, mouse over taunt + bop cancelaura in case some paladin gets too smart for his own good, ravager at cursor and ravager at player, startattack shield slam, stance dancing. All of the mouseovers have a focus built in them as well

[sleek current]

Ravager on self, stance shift and Avatar is bound into my ancestral call because I'm a Mag'har Orc. Other than that. Eh

I also have my Warrior Class Mount macro'd with /charge. 😂

[hollow sun]

Wut?😂

[sleek current]

I like to hear my character yell charge every time I mount it

[undone verge]

Felt

[sleek current]

Break their lines!

[onyx hearth]

Do you guys uses avatar+demo macro?

[undone verge]

No

They don’t exactly line up so you’d lose value on one of the two if you macrod them together

[onyx hearth]

Is there any macro I could make to reduce keybind count?

[hollow sun]

Charge hamstring I guess lol

[undone verge]

None that I can think off that actually reduce button bloat. If you really don’t care about your dps maybe you can macro avatar into something like shieldslam, but there definitely are situations where you want to be saving avatar in m+ or maybe for a few seconds for a dmg amp phase

I don’t even have hamstring on my bars tbh

[hollow sun]

I do but o recognise that it's useless in 99.9999% of the situations

[onyx hearth]

The rotation is ok, but iam feeling a little button bloat with CDs

[undone verge]

There are a few buttons we don’t press at all, slam whirlwind, hamstring almost none of the time but like maxion said there are some situations

[hollow sun]

Prot warrior doesn't have that many spells, look more into how you have keybinded your bars

[undone verge]

Whatever you do don’t play a BrM

[hollow sun]

I do use a gaming mouse but even without it it's not too bad

[undone verge]

I had an entire unused bar of keybinds on my warrior and I still need to create more for brewmaster

[blazing condor]

yeah brew is ridic

warrior u got like 30-40

[hollow sun]

Does it have that many binds?

[onyx hearth]

I just don't want to use keys too far away like things fat from F6/6/G key

Far*

[undone verge]

What’s your character name?

[onyx hearth]

Bizrock

[hollow sun]

G is actually good

[onyx hearth]

Yeah g is the limit for me

[hollow sun]

You can put a cd you don't use often there

I have it bound, and my hands are normal

Ironically I can't press other numbers than 3

[onyx hearth]

H and beyond starts to hurt my wrist

[hollow sun]

And they are quite uncomfortable for me

H is to toggle the quest log 😂

[undone verge]

You need like 32 different keybinds for things you’re gonna press in m+

[onyx hearth]

Do you use both shift and Ctrl?

[undone verge]

Yeah

[blazing condor]

dont forget alt

[hollow sun]

Shift and alt

I can't press ctrl comfortably in combat

[undone verge]

I never use alt, I just go with shift and ctr

[hollow sun]

I use it for mounts and other useful things

[undone verge]

I’m the same way but with alt

[hollow sun]

How can you reach ctrl comfortably

[undone verge]

Pinky

[blazing condor]

alt > ctrl

[hollow sun]

Ctrl c is my ground mount, but can't fathom using it for a spell

[hollow sun]

This 😄

[undone verge]

Ctrl c is my interrupt

[hollow sun]

[onyx hearth]

I guess there is not way to run, gonna have to bind Ctrl too

[hollow sun]

Try which one is more comfortable

If alt feels better then go with that

[onyx hearth]

With prot paladin, I dont even need to use any of shift and Ctrl lol

[hollow sun]

Then you should be using X,z,f,c, etc

[hollow sun]

Weird, when I played it a couple of years ago it had so many spells to bind that it almost reminded me of druid

[undone verge]

These are the spells that need keybinds, stuff like slam or whirlwind or even hamstring don’t need to be bound

Also rend

We never press rend

I’d suggest thinks that your going to press a lot be close to WASD

[hollow sun]

This. Usually you bind your rotational stuff there. Ss, revenge, block, execute etc

[undone verge]

For me 1 is charge, 2 is shield slam, 3 is revenge, 4 is thunderclap, mouse button 1 is ignore pain, mouse button 2 is impending victory, middle mouse button is last stand, E is spell block, and R is shield wall

[teal swift]

V is mine

I want that shit to be instant

[hollow sun]

R

[teal swift]

R is charge for ne

I thumb button V

[hollow sun]

Since the dawn of times at this point

V is ip

[teal swift]

Fair

[hollow sun]

Comfortable enough to spam

[undone verge]

My one really bad keybind that I really need to change is Ctrl G is my mass taunt and I fail at pressing it like 30% of the time and just end up opening my talents

[onyx hearth]

I do Fs (F1 to F5) with defensives CDs, 1 to 5 with Offensive CDs and the everything else in WASD area, but somehow there is not enough keys to bind lol

[undone verge]

F1 is my rally and F2 is shockwave

[hollow sun]

F1 are usually really bad

For me at least

I can't even press alt f4 without looking at the keyboard lol

[undone verge]

I’ve mastered the finger swap on the W key so if I need to mov and press an F key I swap to my middle finger

But I never go past F2

[hollow sun]

Add alt and shift modifiers and there will be

Eventually you will find a comfortable configuration

[onyx hearth]

Do you guys use scroll for something?

[hollow sun]

Mouse wheel scroll?

[undone verge]

I use the actually middle mouse button for last stand

Like I press the wheel down

[hollow sun]

I use the wheel press

And have it keybinded with modifiers

But the wheel scroll is unreliable

[undone verge]

My 1 key is 3 different buttons, 1 is charge, shift 1 is avatar, and Ctrl 1 is shield charge

[hollow sun]

Sometimes you just press the wheel up and it casts the spell that is bound to wheel down

[hollow sun]

I tried to go this way but just can't

[undone verge]

I used to have that problem, but then I change the sensitivity on the scroll wheel and now I never accidentally press it

[hollow sun]

I always have: nomod for target, shift for focus and alt for mouseover, on the spells where it make sense

Then shield wall is on alt E

Thunderous roar is on s rtc

[deft hinge]

Spam abilities on mouse to free left hand for moving and use cd abilities

[undone verge]

I think it works a lot for me because ignore pain is on my mouse button and shield block is a shift key so I don’t have to worry about accidentally pressing the wrong key modifier

[hollow sun]

Do you use a multi button mouse?

[onyx hearth]

Thinking about putting things like CCs in mouse to relieve the keyboard a little

[undone verge]

2 buttons plus middle mouse button

[hollow sun]

Alt b3, shift b3 etc are all good binds

B3 is the wheel press

I have alt b3 for my ping

[onyx hearth]

Interrupt in mouse is not a bad idea right?

[hollow sun]

To me it is

But just try

[deft hinge]

B3 can be used for 3 binds, push down, pull right or left

[sleek current]

Is killing big guy first a viable plan in Everbloom is there a reason not to other than interrupt Delhu and Telu? His Charge causes so many headaches for me in that fight.

[undone verge]

Button bloat seems bad until you realize if you utilized shift Ctrl and alt modifiers you could fit every used prot warrior button on your 1-7 keys

[hollow sun]

B3 up and down are unreliable in combat for me, I stopped using them long time ago

[deft hinge]

yeah for most its a no go

[glacial skiff]

is it worth playing around fervid bite, or just play as normal? I'm not sure if ensuring you have 2 bleeds on the target before shield slam is important or not in keys?

[jagged pier]

u should play around it tbh

no reason not too

however

during buirst on in general

if u have SS rdy and not rend on the target just send

and if u have outburst of course just send SS

[onyx hearth]

Compound keys makes my brain freeze a little, BrM plays uses shift+Ctrl key, that's crazy

[glacial skiff]

im weaving rend with tclap but not really worrying about deep wounds

[onyx hearth]

Like shift+Ctrl+R

[glacial skiff]

liek if its on passively cool but im not spending a global on revenge. is that wrong?

[jagged pier]

u apply deep wounds with melees

its alwyas on the target

[glacial skiff]

Oh devestate applies it 100% of the time so lol

guess im playing it right, for some reason i thought it was a chance. too much wotlk haha

I kinda feel like this set would be much better if the 4 set increased the dr time by 1 second per bleed

Is fervid opposition the defensive buff?

[hardy snow]

currently its shown in uncategorized if you mean wlogs

[glacial skiff]

yeah, i see these 2

[trim condor]

is there anyway to prevent souldrain dot in DHT? We didnt have disease dispel and I had like 2 or 3 on me and it deleted me after mobs died. (mobs before last boss)

[jagged pier]

spell reflect

or kite

[trim condor]

you can kite application? Good to know. 1 stack was doing 200k every 1,5sec when its tyra lol

[jagged pier]

no u kite before they do it

im presuming its the bats

only dot that hurts there

[vocal nimbus]

can you SR all 4?

or you need to do some aggro thing to make them apply the dot in the same server tick?

[trim condor]

thats what I mean yeah, bad wording. I dont remember them hurting that much last week tbh. But maybe I had disease dispels in group always

[strong forum]

The reflecting the dot doesn't actually do any dmg

Cuz the bats heal the exact amount the dot does in dmg back in the same tick

So the do 500k dmg but heal 500k from said tick again, so it's essentially just a deflect

[pallid quiver]

but it makes me look good on details, though, which is the real important thing

[jagged pier]

if u spell reflect stack yer

or kite away and charge back

[oblique radish]

Skip, takes too long in high keys and there is easier % to take further down the road. Check Keystone guru for routes.

[waxen sorrel]

HDR screenshots are funky with snipping tool

[drifting river]

SR on bats in DHT is so fun, 400k dps on that pack 😂

[jagged pier]

again as nome said it doesnt actually do any damage

[red otter]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AnnoyingFlaccidPangolinPMSTwin-hw3flDTxi1srhcq_

I saw this earlier, I have yet to try it myself but it looks promising.

[blazing condor]

probably gonna get patched

but for now

big

[drifting river]

oh I did not read that

[blazing condor]

8/9 hc now just pugging

surely i can get aotc

[pallid quiver]

Considering I find Heroic Fyrakk a lot easier to pug than like Tindral and Laro,

you should be fine

[blazing condor]

yeah i feel like as long as you have the numbers its an easier fight

[pallid quiver]

The bigger issue is that more people want to swing at Fyrakk

so people who have to business being there will queue up more

and pug leads are generally not very discerning

[vocal nimbus]

4.5M damage from gholuk on a 20 is decent?

[pallid quiver]

"yo big ilvl means big damage"

[trim condor]

Last week I was like, this raid pugable, whole normal almost one shots. Heroic was. This week I have 23 wipes on normal Tindral in pug. i dont I Will touch raid again

[pallid quiver]

40k DPS 470 HDH

[blazing condor]

twsift took us like 11 pulls today

[pallid quiver]

What doesn't help is how aggressive everyone is towards each other

I haven't taken down H Tindral at all

DPS just keep getting killed

Healers can't keep up

[blazing condor]

its a lot of responsibility

[trim condor]

Yeah, I am talking about normal tindral unfornatelly

[blazing condor]

ppl gotta dodge / soak seeds / fly correctly

and have dps to break shields

and healers gotta do their thing

[pallid quiver]

It's always unfortunate to see people talking about how big my damage is

and im like

[blazing condor]

i thought mushrooms with boss stacks would be worse but they felt fine honestly

[trim condor]

Worst thing Is, people go there for thé first time And dont bother read tactics.

[pallid quiver]

boss

i'm ass

[pallid quiver]

Especially if you have spell block, it's very chill

[blazing condor]

yeah i did

[pallid quiver]

unless you're getting literally zero healing, then you gotta work a bit

because healers can only spare so much of their 60k HPS across the raid

[blazing condor]

[sleek current]

Skip what? You can't skip the boss. 😄

[sleek current]

Cheers, I'll give it a watch

[pallid quiver]

I think he read it as first big guy

[trim condor]

Yesterday I had warrior dps leader in 19 DHT, He stood in everything, died multiple times And at end of dungeon, I said, please read some guide for this dungeon. And He just said, nah, I have no clue what is this dungeon, but Its timed, So all good 😁
Why people push keys to get carried.

[blazing condor]

he thought u meant the patroling tree guy

[pallid quiver]

which, to be fair, is also what I read it as

[sleek current]

Aaah

[blazing condor]

[sleek current]

Oh shit that LOS is huge

[opaque quest]

I had a Warrior dps in a TOTT that stood in everything too and did 60k dps overall. But he apologized so its fine

[oblique radish]

Must have tagged or read wrong. Thought you ment the big giant before 1st boss 🤣

[sleek current]

Haha, all good mate

[oblique radish]

And no, you wanna Cleave the Bosses. You cycle defensives to live through charge, dps need to place the goo good.

[hardy snow]

is there any gear in emerald dream from pve that can be converted to LFR tmogs like time rifts gear was in previous tier?

[prisma lantern]

im struggling to hold aggro this season, players are nuking so hard im at my wits end

[sick sentinel]

Dreamsurge

[hardy snow]

its changed to old tier, im interested in current one 🙂

[left trout]

Is there a list somewhere of dungeons that spell block is good or isn't useful?

[pallid quiver]

Pretty much every dungeon I can think of, spell block can be useful in

[blazing condor]

probably AD

but other than that you kinda just bring spell block anywhere

[left trout]

Ok. Thank you

[hardy snow]

its in the pins, covers both refletc and spellblock for dungeons and raid

[toxic pewter]

Just saw a prot paladin complaining on Reddit about deios lmao

I’m like go stand in ur circle dude 🤣

Literally can block dots and complaining

[normal rampart]

I was doing lfr smold on pally and getting my red orbs and hearing the block sound effects…. “Wait pally can block this stuff just… naturally?”

[toxic pewter]

When standing in their consecration they can block dots. Even bleeds

And can block magic damage in general from their talent

So many paladins complaining on Reddit lately it’s actually kind of weird. One guy complaining of lack of prot pally representation in raids. Some guy responds and is like uhhhh 9 out of 10 top raiding guilds have a paladin right now. And since bfa most raids majority of the guilds have had a paladin tank. And uhhh also 12-13% of all keys have had a paladin lmao

[cinder nova]

Do people take Splock for Smold??

[blazing condor]

"how come [spec im playing] is so bad and hated by blizz?"

[onyx matrix]

Stupid paladins, its our turn to be kings

[blazing condor]

remember in 10.0 when we were "stupid op uber-meta"

[cerulean tusk]

We will always be the best tank, with the minimum amount of gear

[onyx matrix]

Ahh those where the days!

[potent smelt]

Why is Prot so bad in subcreation? Is it just nobody plays it? Feels fine to tank for me up to +22s so are the others just winning on utility?

[onyx matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[blazing condor]

p much

skewed stats

[onyx matrix]

Ahhh prot warrior in pvp. Just to piss everyone off and the cry-babies

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarr is a solid tank, we just dont bring as much other than being tanky.

[grizzled nova]

subcreation isn't a merits-based ranking, it literally just collates data on rates of use for classes/talents/items

[toxic pewter]

Subcreation is effectively a popularity contest. It’s a vicious cycle because the community ingests these tier lists like they are god’s word and then then the differences in rank skew even harder

This season we bring a lot to a group, our stops are great for a lot of these dungeons

[grizzled nova]

I mean

everyone's stops are bad compared to vdh

[potent smelt]

Yeah I don't disagree, but fact remains that few people are playing prot, and I'm wondering why

I am enjoying it myself and have no problems with it, just mulling it over

[jagged pier]

because ppl dont play it

[toxic pewter]

We are the least played tank for a while now when we are not op in damage

[jagged pier]

ppl only play prot if its seen to be the best

other ppl dont touch it

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I don’t get it to this day, people seem to prefer circle tanks for some reason

[cerulean tusk]

I play prot

[toxic pewter]

Like they want to be confined to a circle

🤷

[grizzled nova]

Playing a lot of both pwar and ppala this season, I enjoy pwar more because the set feels great, but there is a definite utility gap that warrior suffers if it isn't notably better either in dps or dtps

It's hard to justify in keys when ppala and vdh are doing generally more damage and haave gobs more utility

But that doesn't mean pwar is bad, just less useful, generally

[cerulean tusk]

If you are less useful, then you are bad in comparison

[grizzled nova]

good take

what utility it does have is costly to take on the class tree and it isn't doing anything particularly different than what every other tank can do as well

[toxic pewter]

The reworks have proven to be overpowered, that is more of a reflection on bad design than anything

[grizzled nova]

spell reflect

is the unique utility of pwar

and in the dungeons where it's a difference maker you'll see pwar in high keys

but that doesn't change that pwar is generally less useful than having infinity kicks + bres, or infinite stops

[toxic pewter]

Imbalance is imbalanced that’s for sure

[potent smelt]

I guess I see what you mean, but you could say that Brew or BDK (except brez for latter) don't have that much going for them in terms of utility either, but even when they're bad there is a bigger core of diehards who stick with it

[toxic pewter]

These reworks have just been giving too much without any consequence. Hopefully we get our rework soon

[hollow sun]

Isn't warrior the least rerolled class in general?

[grizzled nova]

Baseline shockwave, make it a knock up instead of a stun, and put rumbling earth where shockwave talent is currently located.

Is what I want to see happen.

[toxic pewter]

We also have gone the entire xpac with zero iteration so we def need something soon

[cerulean tusk]

Why? We already play nice and get the job done

[grizzled nova]

tbf I think the spec tree is excellent, pwar came into the expansion with a cohesive, well done tree that is still better than most.

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

[grizzled nova]

but it is getting utility gapped hard

[toxic pewter]

Wild we have this conversation and the moment I bring up iteration people immediately why

LOL

Because iteration and change is good?

And zero dev blue text for over a year is bad?

When imbalance is rampant?

Maybe them scrapping leap grip, skull banner, bleed dispel, other things and not actually finding something cool to give us is bad?

[cerulean tusk]

We got two stuns, a fear, spellreflect, AoE taunt/interrupt, fearimmunity, intervene and rally. Not like we got nothing.
Sure DH does utility better, but we are far more tanky.
Can't be the same, as that would be boring and pointless

[toxic pewter]

Had the same locked in talents entire time

Some iteration would be welcome in my opinion

And I invite you to join me in this

[jagged pier]

every tank has literally 1 or 2 builds

[cerulean tusk]

You say that like everyone ain't like that

[jagged pier]

but okay

[toxic pewter]

Why is this a bad thing

[jagged pier]

its not a bad thing, but your putting forward an argument like we are the only class effected

when we arent

literally most classes/spec in the game have like 3 talent builds at most

[toxic pewter]

That’s not true, I acknowledge it’s not just us

[jagged pier]

imbalance also isnt rampant

tanks are the most balanced they have ever been interms of damage output and survivability

[toxic pewter]

I guess I’m just not playing a game that takes balance seriously and have to come to grips with that finally

There is imbalance

[grizzled nova]

and there always will be

true balance is neither an achievable nor desirable goal

[jagged pier]

theres always something that is 'the best'

[cerulean tusk]

Spellreflect is quite imbalanced, I do agree

[grizzled nova]

homogeneity is the only result

[jagged pier]

because everything works differently

if u want everything to be the same

honestly play FF

[toxic pewter]

That is free to try right

[cerulean tusk]

Yep

[jagged pier]

yes

[toxic pewter]

I also acknowledge imbalance is always a thing. I just would like to see some iteration for warrior soon. I am hoping with next xpac I guess

[jagged pier]

u get hero talents

your welcome

[toxic pewter]

That’s true

[cerulean tusk]

We shall see, problem is warrior is by design very cookie cutter. We do one thing, tank and spank.

[pallid quiver]

i remember when FF did have some variation in their classes

Then they specifically went out of their way to homogenize everything into 2 min burst or whatever just to make everything easier to balance or whatever

[potent smelt]

ESO also has a horrendous combat system where every class plays the same

[cerulean tusk]

Some people want that

As is clearly the point of 'balance all tanks/DPS/healer' posts and it's popularity

[onyx matrix]

ESO suck ass

[potent smelt]

I kinda like the lore and the world, but raiding and dungeons do suck. Speaking as someone with a shitload of time in it

[onyx matrix]

The combat system is what made me drop off super early xD

[dusky canopy]

Any of you gamers a Plater addon wizard??

[blazing condor]

nop

[dusky canopy]

I cannot figure out how to get my friendly raid marks back to the center of the character model

[cerulean tusk]

Try #ui-addons-manager

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto Brotha lmk if youre a wizard XD

[hollow sun]

General

Icons, raid markers etc

There are X and y coordinates there

Not 100% sure because I am not home

But should be there

[dusky canopy]

Not seeing it but ill keep playing around with it, Thanks!

[hollow sun]

Use the search option

In plater

[blazing condor]

everyone is just solo tanking fyrakk

cant find a group

[toxic pewter]

Kill him get axe

That wat i did

[blazing condor]

i will

[toxic pewter]

U got this

[blazing condor]

well not if i dont get into any groups

[toxic pewter]

Make ur own group

[blazing condor]

and i cba to make my own group and raidlead anymore

[toxic pewter]

Lead with iron fist

[cerulean tusk]

I make the group, then I say, ya all know what to do. Then I pull

[normal rampart]

I like what that Quazii said about tanks, and how pally are the pug carrier because they can do more for bad players.

When I tank I’m just like… why the fuck is nobody interrupting annnyyyyyythinnnnng

[cerulean tusk]

It works

[pallid quiver]

I normally ask why nobody's pressing anything, since I generally only pull what I can handle all the interrupts on

[cerulean tusk]

I am glad when they don't, more SR value and I can stop prio casts myself

[pallid quiver]

but then they just live long enough that it becomes a problem

[normal rampart]

But like eclipse in HoI….

[pallid quiver]

because i'm the top DPS in the pull

and the 2nd DPS are my bleeds

[blazing condor]

whats the dg level u gotta do for vault myth track

18? or 20

[toxic pewter]

18 and higher is mythic track for vault

[pallid quiver]

18, but it has an extra level to upgrade, iirc

19-20s start at 2/4 iirc instead of 1/4

[cerulean tusk]

I would just do 18s, as you spam ToT for loot that never will drop

[thick lance]

with 19 you save a few crests

[cerulean tusk]

I manage to solo 18s, 19s the pugs start to complain in /p

Not worth the creat value

18 be da way

[blazing condor]

thanks kit

i guess

[rich wyvern]

Np

[finite plaza]

is Ravager affected by DemoShout/Avatar/Trinkets or is it safe to throw pre-Charge into a pack ?

[grizzled nova]

It is, but it doesn't snapshot, so you're good to toss it first.

[cerulean tusk]

All abilities update, so throw away

[finite plaza]

nice, thanks !

[cinder storm]

I didn't think echo would progress so hard, what happened? they were behind liquid and in one night/day it looks like they are going to win, again

[cerulean tusk]

Don't worry, if echo pulls too much ahead, boss will be nerfed when they go to sleep

[dusky igloo]

If it

is even killable at all this week

[jagged pier]

they just proved it probably is

[dusky canopy]

Echo winning another event

how exciting " "

[dusky igloo]

People acting like Liquid didn't win the last one xD

[cinder storm]

Boss dies today if not tomorrow, but surely today, echo won't go to bed with this much advantage

[cerulean tusk]

You underestimate how much EU loves to sleep 💤

If it messes with sleep, it ain't worth doin

[jagged pier]

well we dont know where liquid actually are if they think liquid will kill it they will probably stay up

[cinder storm]

Very true

[cerulean tusk]

I think they will 💤

[toxic pewter]

Why they not streaming it

[cerulean tusk]

Cause it is a race where info matters a lot

[toxic pewter]

Oh wait are they streaming it again

Is this echo live right now

[cinder storm]

Max is malding and giving a 3 hour speech of what the 2 hour daily speeches will sound like if they lose

[toxic pewter]

Hope echo wins tbh

And I’m NA player

[cerulean tusk]

I hope some sub 50 guild wins, cause it would shake things up

[toxic pewter]

Lol that would be cool yes

I just want legendary to start dropping

[cerulean tusk]

We all do

[toxic pewter]

It kinda is locked behind mythic kill or what

Is that confirmed the case

[cerulean tusk]

We know nothing

Well, our dev knows, but he won't say

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[blazing condor]

6 dgs in a row no loot

[toxic pewter]

[cerulean tusk]

I done 23 tots, no loot

Soon

For sure

[blazing condor]

what you going for? neck?

[toxic pewter]

Oh ya I got that neck

[cerulean tusk]

Trinky/2h

[toxic pewter]

That neck is sweet

What trinket ? That crab one or whatever?

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, staff = 100% deopchance

The onuse str

[toxic pewter]

Ok right

[cerulean tusk]

Staff got to be the only thing on their loot table tho

[rigid path]

Hey guys, help a noob out. Coming from Outlaw to learn prot, is there a filler button we have such as sinister strike? With devastator, I imagine the most pressed button would be thunder clap?

[normal rampart]

We are a very high apm spec
Really don’t need fillers, hitting everything all the time anyway

[static shore]

hey whats the dif between fueld by violence and brutal vitality?

[blazing condor]

does the tier set interact with fbv

i feel like fbv gains more value since you will press IP more with tier set

[undone verge]

One heals you the other gives you more absorb

[static shore]

hmm i played both and BV felt it stabalized more?

not sure

[pallid quiver]

Neither are particularly impactful

pick whichever you like the name of/icon of more I'd say

[pallid quiver]

The filler button is supposed to be Devastate, but we don't have enough free GCDs for that, which is why we grab Devastator so we don't have a filler ability anymore

Just following the basic priority system of Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge, with CDs dropped on CD properly, you've got enough rage to never need to press a filler ability of any sort

The closest thing technically would be Revenge, but your most pressed button should be Shield Slam

[grizzled nova]

Depends on the level of content you're doing, if you have really high IP uptime then you'll get more value out of BV, if your IP is getting deleted constantly then you'll get more value out of FBV.

THey're close-ish even in the second situation, and if the content is giga easy and you're capping IP constantly than BV is doing mostly nothing.

[pallid quiver]

If you're curious, I jacked a random log of Sense's where you can look at what I mean based off the cast breakdown here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LpHNC8FwQAdM2fx3#fight=109&type=casts&source=22

ignore the squeaks man is a serial CPM padder

I grabbed this one because he's got the new 4P on how so it shows how Revenge gets pressed even less with the prio

[grizzled nova]

20 tott just finished, most cast ability was IP at 366 casts, 338 tclap, 328 shield slam

[jagged pier]

[undone verge]

That’s a ST log but in aoe is relatively similar except you’d probably have more TC and possibly revenge. Basically in both aoe and ST the entire rotation can boil down to using TC Revenge and Execute to reset shield slam, then spending the rage generated by shield slam to avoid overcaping with ignore pain

[undone verge]

You got a log?

[green bronze]

Serious question, do you need crests to upgrade your 2h weapon if you already have 1h and shield at higher ilvl

[grizzled nova]

I think it's a product of me holding shield slam for a gcd if tclap is only 1 sec away when I get fervid, I don't know if that's the right answer but that's what I've been doing.

[grizzled nova]

not usually for keys

[pallid quiver]

jakey i tried to pull one of your logs at random but you didn't have 4p smh

why haven't you bullied your guild into giving you 4p

[strong forum]

no

[jagged pier]

because tanks dont need loot

we also 4 set is like 500 dps better at normal ilvl

[pallid quiver]

It's not about if tanks need loot, it's about how you deserve loot for being good guy

[jagged pier]

so its not worth

its like 2k over what i have atm if i ahve all hc pieces

[toxic pewter]

I only got 2 pc so far also

[jagged pier]

again not worth to be on me

also set literally doesnt really change how u play

expect less LS casts

[green bronze]

thank you!

[jagged pier]

and more TC cast

[pallid quiver]

yeah but it's funny

Though you already have the funny part so

you already punch out all of someone's blood

[blazing condor]

hoenstly

[toxic pewter]

I need loot

[cerulean tusk]

And yet we just can't get rid of you

[blazing condor]

at least sandglass dropped

no raid trinks tho

[onyx hearth]

Does disrupting shout worth it in m+?

[cerulean tusk]

I haven't found a good use for it, but I am sure there are

[blazing condor]

you dont generally spec into it

[grizzled nova]

It just has high opportunity cost where its located on the tree.

[plush tendon]

the real strat to get gear on a tank.... bring your alts to reclear

[grizzled nova]

That's another small change that'd be good for pwar utility, I think, baseline challenging shout and put disrupting shout talent in its place, making old disrupting shout talent bring the CD down 30 or 45s or something

[plush tendon]

no one cares what tank you play as long as you dont die

[dusky canopy]

My guild didn’t give our prot warrior Mythic gnarl root shield..

[blazing condor]

who got it

[plush tendon]

thats troll

[dusky canopy]

The freaking Rshaman bro

[blazing condor]

worth

[dusky canopy]

“It gave her more ilvl”

Bruh

Lmao

[blazing condor]

why get DR when you can have ilvl

chad guild honestly

at least pwarr can have a perma excuse whenever he dies

shouldve given him the shield

[dusky canopy]

Being a long time Prot main I tried to vouche for him but it fell on def ears lol

[blazing condor]

the petty play is for him to get a green shield

and play with that

so he can ensure he gets a high ilvl upgrade

[dusky canopy]

He spent his spark on shield since they did that to him

[blazing condor]

F

[dusky canopy]

Fr

[plush tendon]

thats silly

youll kill gnarl everyweek

[azure nimbus]

I actually play with, help me a lot especially on big pack for setup where there’s a lot of caster. -30 sec on a mass taunt and give you a second interrupt if someone fail so I honestly think it’s worth. A lot of situation come in mind where it helps me and make my job easier

[dusky canopy]

True but it could not drop

[plush tendon]

even a heroic version of the shield is fine tbh

or a mythic plus one

[light vale]

Yea just farm +17 rises ez cries

[undone verge]

Rise is the only dungeon I’d wear the cheat trinket

Or maybe EB

[pallid quiver]

everbloom also gives a crit haste shield

with a heavier distribution towards haste

and AD gives a haste/mastery, which isn't the worst thing in the world, either

[light vale]

Atal dazar is a great lesson in why all the difficulty in the dungeon shouldn't be in the last boss

[latent scaffold]

Engi bracers. Do they worth it now? With a brez

[undone verge]

Last boss isn’t too hard, dps just have no brain

[light vale]

Yea that's a problem when spiders 1 shot.

[azure nimbus]

I play with it too and yes it’s worth especially now where class who’re top don’t have CR. Could save some situation. Help you get invite in group

[latent scaffold]

Ty

[undone verge]

Typically a good indicator of how the last boss will go is how clean totem boss is

I am convinced now that most dps in m+ play without their monitor on and attempt to move through echolocation because it should not be that hard to dps something down to 10% then wait for other people to catch up. The only explanation would be their monitor is off and they can’t see the health bars

[pallid quiver]

It's impressive that you can always get DPS to DPS what they shouldn't, but never able to DPS what they should

bonus points if they proceed to talk shit about how great their DPS is as they grey parse while being alive the entire time

[undone verge]

And cc when they shouldn’t but not when they should

[light vale]

Honestly it's more like bosses that require personal responsibility are really hard to idiot proof. But Yea getting dps to focus a target is amazing.

[undone verge]

It’s amazing to me that a dps can have 10 interrupts in a key and every single one of them is a spell I was about to reflect

[light vale]

Like yamza ends up being let's see how many spiders I can pop before my CDs run out and the 3rd boss in everbloom is great for finding out who's paying attention to the arcane orb

[pallid quiver]

it's not me

i'm not paying attention to the orb

[light vale]

why did I get frozen tank wtf

[sick sentinel]

technically, u can do that whole fight without triggering a single spider

[undone verge]

Do y’all even kite Yazma?

[sick sentinel]

touching the spider and it explodes is the biggest threat, but the puddle it leaves is still extremely lethal

you can watch the spider while they are in the banished realm or whatever

[pallid quiver]

no because i'm busy getting chomped on by rezan while I'm in waycrest

[sick sentinel]

and you can move away from them so when it DOES change to they are active, you dont just get insta smacked and dead

[light vale]

Yea ik the strat is supposed to be keep moving her around but it never fails some dps gets hit and oh look they don't have 900k health so they're

[sick sentinel]

thats dps issue, but they have to also deal with the bait mechanics

i'd say overall its an easier fight for a more caster based comp

[light vale]

Immunities help if only cause it gives you a panic button but Yea triple melee for that isn't fun

[sick sentinel]

the stairs is a prelude of whats to come on that boss

some groups wipe on stairs

[light vale]

[undone verge]

I have a rogue in my guild so much shit because he popped his cheat death walking to yazma then died during the fight

Was the funniest thing all week

[sick sentinel]

i don't enjoy atal dazar past a certian key lvl especially on tyranical

everything just hits for insane amounts, have to kick the noxious wafting gas whatever on the troll first tic, blood priest turns into a BEAST tank

final boss just brutal

[undone verge]

Imo Atal Dazar is harder than blackrook hold, but has a more forgiving timer, so on a higher key it’s easier to fail in atal dazar but also easier to 2 chest or 3 chest atal

[sick sentinel]

atal rachets up very quickly

[light vale]

You can typically cheese rezan with defenders aegis in case your healer can't follow for you some reason but it's real tilting to be on pace for a +2 and then watch the group wipe 3 times on yamza

[grizzled nova]

yazma definitely a spooky fight for the group as the key level goes up

the rest of it is pretty whatever

rezan's bleed is omega once you start going above 20s

[sick sentinel]

i had one giga mald out key over atal dazar

never again

[grizzled nova]

but that really only affects us

[light vale]

Again I feel like defenders aegis helps a lot with rezan bleed. It might honestly be the play for 2nd boss in everbloom too.

[toxic pewter]

Unironically would of gquit at that time and place. Any prot warr with even a shred of any self-respect would do the same

[undone verge]

It always pisses me off how undervalued tank dps is

[light vale]

Dude wym I love doing as much as the dps on aoe pulls

[undone verge]

Like there were several fights in mythic VoTI that my guild would not have killed without the 20k extra dps I was doing, but still they get pissed at me if I die one time while in bstance

[opaque quest]

Especially now with fervid

[undone verge]

“You’re only worried about dps. A tanks job should be to live”

[pallid quiver]

I mean, DPS when played proper do scale better off gear than we do

[opaque quest]

"When played proper" is the crux here

[light vale]

"parses don't matter until they do then they're the only thing that matters." -someone who doesn't understand context 2023

[toxic pewter]

Anywhere I am is the correct place so perhaps it is you that is in the wrong place

[opaque quest]

If only all your takes were in the correct places

[toxic pewter]

I am ok with my opinions not being understood by all

[opaque quest]

[toxic pewter]

The path of truth is not easily walked that’s for sure

[opaque quest]

Did you just edit your wisdowm into another wisdom

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[cerulean tusk]

A man ahead of the times, so far ahead that he looped all the way behind the times

[toxic pewter]

Sometimes when you tell it like it is, people don’t like that unfortunately

Perhaps the majority of people 🤔

[sick sentinel]

what are best methods of getting flight stones

gradually get them over time, but need tons

[left basalt]

smashing keys or world quests?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, figures lol

[winged slate]

Gotta play the game to get stuff

[left basalt]

we were farming 10 min 5-7's for quick stones and minor upgrades first week

[toxic pewter]

Heroic dawn of the infinites

[median niche]

Whats the best site to check for routes?

[trim condor]

friendly reminder, dont invite people to your pug key, if they have their own grroup. Just ddid my 19 WM and mage and aug was ninja pulling and refusing to follow me in key, because I didnt follow route from theirs group, where they are timing 22s. The most unfun dungeon I ever was

[grizzled nova]

also friendly reminder, wm is kinda fucked right now and if you tank things in bad vertical locations, loads of abilities will pull things above you

[green bronze]

below you as well

can actually be used for your benefit

[trim condor]

I am totally aware of that, ravager have same issue.

[pallid quiver]

It is always a gamble inviting premades

because then you have to mash your face into their social cliques

[austere lava]

What tf is “Squeak!” In that log?! Lol

[azure nimbus]

I go mostly on raider io and look for the route made by the guys who time the highest key « like a pro » I think then I adjust my route in a way I can make it doable. I updtate it really often

[azure nimbus]

https://raider.io/play-like-the-pros

[pallid quiver]

It's a toy of some sort or other

[toxic pewter]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=179295/squeaky-bat

[trim condor]

Is there any safe tyr boss placement for pugs? I am standing on thé edge, placing my cleaves there, but almost every key, Somebody staying in thé Middle And placing everything on Pillar. Like Its 3rd +19 in a row.

[winged slate]

I stand by the blocked off wall but nobody knows how to bait, can't make your team git gud

[trim condor]

I see. I was wondering if I can somehow make it more pugable. Because Its biggest key breaker in my keys. I thought IT would be last boss or Morchie in Rise. But people kinda manage them good in pugs

[winged slate]

People fuck up the exact same thing with Varian and Garrosh

[patent osprey]

Prot warrior kinda feeling liking its owning right now ^.^

[winged slate]

Either your whole party stands next to the boss or you're gonna have a bad time

Nothing you can really do to herd goats

[toxic pewter]

[trim condor]

Ah ,yeah, but tbh, I feel like at Garrosh/Varian, Its less painful. At least from my keys. Tyr Is awful.
Btw how you manage orbs? Should I as a tank let dpsers and healer take them And just wait if they can collect them all? I am collecting them, but I feel lot of dpsers ending with 2 stacks after that.

[tribal marten]

Hey if anyone can answer would be great, i got the 1hand from Waycrest Manor and the 1 hand from Fall. Simming it says to have the manor one but is it worth it not having any secondary stats from that?

[hushed bluff]

guys is there anything i can do about oakheart in dht

[timber nest]

this sounds trash

how right am i?

[restive scroll]

Basically, the WM one hand is pretty good in ST.
If you feel you don't need stats to survive, you can use it.
If you feel you need that extra stats, the crit mast is not that bad

[restive scroll]

Leap out of breath, mostly

[jagged pier]

Yes

[hushed bluff]

not about breath

its about that catch

[sick sentinel]

for me it says is reduces 7500 dmg how much does that ACTUALLY mean, so its like, i get hit for 800k and then it just reduces ~7500 dmg then gets mitigated

im not sure how you calculate how much ot does

[restive scroll]

if you take the breath, you don't have ignore pain stacked up for the grip.
Other than that, rotate CD and hope for a good healer

[hushed bluff]

okay ill try hope i dont kill my gp with that leap

[winged slate]

High stacks on Varian just fists your healer from what I've seen. I generally hover around the base of the pillar and DPS will usually be more aggressive in taking them from me

[median tulip]

DStance all of them. Wall the first. Spell Reflect helps (it does Nature damage).

Last Stand, Impending Victory is around 700k healing between the two of them.

[hushed bluff]

does spell block work on it too?

[median tulip]

I don't think so

[hushed bluff]

do u guys have ad new route by any chance

cuz they change %

[pallid quiver]

I always feel like I'm gaming until a party member tells me I'm no longer gaming

i need to find friends

[median niche]

Thanks alot man

[dusky canopy]

Echo gets below 20%

blizzard "lets nerf boss by 8%"

[grizzled nova]

the breath still hits like a truck, and pwar can leap every single breath with 30s leap talent, which gives you a much stronger defensive rotation for grip

[tired crystal]

First craft?

[dense barn]

Just pull the middle section

All the pterodactyls and the Dino chick

[dense barn]

Shadow flame on cloak and bracers

[tired crystal]

ta

Worth going bracers over cloak as I can get cloak from black rock?

[lusty grotto]

any of them is worth

[tired crystal]

good stuff - thanks!

[lusty grotto]

they are still 3 ilvl AND with an embelishment over hero gear

[deft mortar]

yo im back after season 1

tf happened to valor, and is it worth breaking my walking mountain set

[pallid quiver]

hoo boy

So they revamped the entire upgrade system

[pallid quiver]

The basics of it make it so you don't have to mash your face into +2s or trivial content to get your upgrades, and doing content relevant to your skill/gear level is how you upgrade them

[sick sentinel]

here save this image

thgis will save you a ton of headache

[median tulip]

Do stuff in the new zone, it'll reward you with ilvl 415 gear and yes it's probably enough of an upgrade to ditch the season 1 tier.

As soon as you can get yourself into the current LFR (2 wings are available right now)

[deft mortar]

bro valor fucked

why would they

ugh

[sick sentinel]

its really just valor with more steps

[pallid quiver]

They wanted content relevant to your gear/skill level to be how you got gear upgrades, not mashing your face into +2s en masse

[sick sentinel]

what, is there som shit that you spam 2s

and then it overflows into aspects

[deft mortar]

i mean there already was the rating limiter

no

[sick sentinel]

i heard the drops auto-up or downgrad cant remember which

[deft mortar]

i gotta find the new crucible too

[median tulip]

Crests Auto-Downgrade. I'm told there's a way to upgrade once the lower crests are no longer useful, but the game won't give me trinkets so idk what it is

[deft mortar]

most my stuff 421 hehe

woah M+ drops big ilvls

ait my brain understands it now

I can just spam M+ and chill like usual

thx guys

[undone verge]

I had heard this too something to where you could turn a hero track into myth track but I haven’t seen anything yet

[median tulip]

The points marked 1 & 2 are where you jump oer a wall

[lusty grotto]

you need to have gear above a certain threshhold to get the achieve required to unlock buying the higher versions

[undone verge]

Oh is that it now

Once you get every piece to a certain ilvl you can upgrade the gears track?

[lusty grotto]

no

you can up lower crests up

[hushed bluff]

i go with this pack too

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, you have to have all slots above an ilvl that makes those crests pointless, then you can upgrade the crests to the next tier

[lusty grotto]

why arent any of you guys grabbing the stealth stationary rogues lol

[pallid quiver]

the gear won't be on a new track or anything

[lusty grotto]

you can even grab em without pulling

bfa pulling i guess

[median tulip]

I find that patrolling Confessor can pull the pack with the Collosus, and the Collosus HURTS on Fort

[blazing condor]

i do that

just leap there with the first pull

and go back

[hushed bluff]

nah i wait for him to come close to that mage and warrior then pull them all toghter since

he walking

[lusty grotto]

anyway these are the ones you need

and then dreaming of aspects

[blazing condor]

when youve gotten those achi

where do u buy the crests

like to convert low to high

[vocal flame]

i know they say we can use both but which is really better, wafting or sophic for weapon?

[grim pilot]

damn foul bolt slaps

[lusty grotto]

the vendor next to the item upgrader iirc

[grim pilot]

caught me by surprise how fast it casts

[lusty grotto]

in the dream

[median tulip]

Cool, yeah. If the game ever gives me a trinket from anywhere I'll get those nigh-instantly

@lusty grotto Do the traded crests bypass the season limits on the higher ones?

[lusty grotto]

ive been told they go over the cap

but personally im not sure

so take it with a grain of salt

[pallid quiver]

They're not supposed to go past the cap