protection

[ionic fern]

Rage starvation is usually cause by not pressing your buttons enough, or by spamming Ignore Pain.
In your case it's the first.

[pallid quiver]

Your CPM at a glance is like 47, probably from the two deaths, which leads to

yeah that

[ionic fern]

Take a look at the following 2 screenshots.

[pallid quiver]

You've also only got 3 shield wall casts over 6.5 minutes

[ionic fern]

One of them is you, the second one is our beloved @jagged pier.

Both on Fryakk NM.

Notice the cast differences.
YOu had 10 CPM on SS, Jakey had near 20.

[drifting river]

cause I died twice 👀

[pallid quiver]

It's about a 1-1.5 min CD when playing well

[ionic fern]

16 on TC, to your 7.6.

[pallid quiver]

and you got brez'd once, so

[ionic fern]

You are literally not pressing your buttons enough.

[pallid quiver]

A huge portion of everything is coming down to that

[drifting river]

okay, that is a good point!

[ionic fern]

I'd advise you to make a WA for SS that does some specific sound whenever it's off CD.

Then after some time, you will hit your SS button by memory whenever you hear the sound.

[drifting river]

should also use that IP+SS macro

[ionic fern]

Yeah.

Once you press SS/TC more, you get more Rage.

[lost wyvern]

does sidearm have any interaction with devastator and shield slam resets?

[ionic fern]

Shouldn't, no.

[drifting river]

thanks guys! really appreciate it

[tacit gorge]

so prio in keys is SS->TC fir generating rage, spend cd‘s on cd and dump rage with IP and Revenge if SS and TC are on cd?

[ionic fern]

@drifting river , can see the rage differences here.
Even though Jakeys fight was ~1m shorter, he generated 4393 Rage to your 2734.

Did you die mid way through?

[drifting river]

I died at 1 min

as I ripped aggro from my cotank during tank buster while having 10 stacks

and then got absolutely shafted by adds at around 4min

[drifting river]

I literally died twice on Gnarlroot

[ionic fern]

Wtf.

Why is that gnarl.

Smh

[drifting river]

what do you mean why?

[ionic fern]

Sorry, i thought i was checking at Fryakk NM, but it was Gnarl.
Your Fryakk looks better cast wise, but you are still at 15 CPM for SS and 9.7 for TC.

TC is way BELOW what it needs to be.

Same SS.

So all what i said still counts.

[drifting river]

I actually asked about Gnarl in particular

but yeah

point still stands

press buttons more

[ionic fern]

[drifting river]

i think I'm doing fine in heroic

I don't struggle there

gnarl specifically fucks me up

killed it twice

and had heart attacks both times

[drifting river]

I know that. And when I actively tanked him I had Spellblock up for Barrage. As I said, for my first death I ripped aggro off of my co-tank mid tank buster and had all adds on me.

[subtle merlin]

Tier over the higher ilvl is the right choice to obtain 2pc right?

[pallid quiver]

2p is more important than ilvl; either 2p, mostly

So you generally only swap tier for tier

[subtle merlin]

Okie ty

[undone verge]

if you already have the 463 piece of the same slot then tier should only cost flightstones to upgrade to 463

[glass rune]

A quick, maybe noobish, question. Are we still wanting to stay in Battle stance as much as possible or do we just camp in Defensive Stance nowadys after all its changes?

[warm plinth]

still battle unless def is needed

[glass rune]

Thanks!

[blazing condor]

Smolderon is a good fight

[drifting river]

I feel like getting the doti cheat death trinket is bait / not necessary. am I wrong in thinking this?

it's also counterproductive to learning a new class

[pallid quiver]

It's extremely useful when you plan around it

it's

not great otherwise

[stuck crane]

Tbf I love it during progression in raid or in higher keys with pugs.

[blazing condor]

Cheat death trinkets are only really a good pick when u do content where you can play perfectly and still die

So very high end content

Otherwise youre just kind of compensating for improper play instead of learning to survive

However it can be a good crutch if you feel like you need it. Just know its probably not needed

[next yacht]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/Gublins

Guys do you think is that bad if i craft the shield?I did like 50+ M+ runs and i got 0 drops,its starting to get frustrating

[ionic fern]

If you have crafted new embellishments etc and just have a spark sitting around, just craft it.

Until you get a new one. 🤷

[drifting river]

yeah and I feel like it would just make me play even worse if I think I can rely on cheat deaths

[ionic fern]

Just use it as a planned CD.

I did that in our EB and DHT.
And will probably also do it on Rise.

But i'm mostly equipping it cause it's 470 and i got no 2nd proper trinket.

Outside of some 447 ones.

[raw parcel]

I don't agree. Mistakes do happen, and having a way to erase one every 8 minutes is very useful. People optimizing under the assumption that their play will be flawless are not actually going to play flawlessly.

[blazing condor]

Of course mistakes happen. The problem is when you start relying on a ”get out of jail free card” in your gameplay

But you also dont need to be playing perfectly to survive in 99% of gameplay

So even small mistakes are fine

Its obviously just a min/max though. Play what makes you comfortable

But you might end up wasting a trinket slot by playing a trinket you wouldnt need if you just played your class better.

[undone verge]

Rise and EB I did on a 16 and just said thats good enuff lol

I should farm fall just to get the trinket for those two dungeons specifically lol

[ashen coral]

It’s a big cooldown, you can’t really rely on it but it still helps

[ionic fern]

Ofc you can rely on it.

You can game it and use it at some specific point.

[ashen coral]

But then it is not for your mistakes but on purpose

[eager phoenix]

whats the difference between having it to cover up a mistake or intentionally using it to cheese a mechanic?

[ashen coral]

My point was that the cd is too big up to cover all your mistakes if they need to rez you

[eager phoenix]

opportunity cost is a trinket slot, yes. but how many trinket combination are there where another combination would offer more

[ashen coral]

I meant that I don't think it can really makes you rely on it and then not improve yourself because the cd is not enough permissive for that

[undone verge]

I feel like if you're dying more than once every 8 minutes there are larger issues, the only time it makes actual sense is for one specific boss fight/trash pac like in EB DHT or Rise or to intentionally proc it for the buff

[pallid quiver]

Think of it this way; if you're using it to cover up a mistake alone, it's just a strength stat trinket that gives less strength than other trinkets

so you're more likely to just die and you take more damage anyway

If you're just looking for a defensive bump up, Rageheart is better because it gives you more damage and a 400k absorb-ish

on only a 1.5 min cd

[eager phoenix]

sure, there might be more issues but if me not dying one time in a dungeon run means we time the key then its worth more than rezan proccing on some shitter mob that dies anyways

[undone verge]

I mean I wouldnt run rezzan in m+, its more comparable to the haste trinket from dawn which is still infinitely better since haste

[pallid quiver]

The issue is you shouldn't be dying in the first place outside of specific situations, like Tree's grab can be kinda scary. You can plan to specifically die, though, which is when it becomes useful

you can use it to do a mondo huge pull, for a theoretical example, where it's like double the size of a huge pull, die intentionally, and have a 2nd HP bar to use

[undone verge]

if you wanna run a cheat trinket just in case thats your prerogative, but its covering up for larger issues which is some sort of poor play or mismanagement either by you or the group

[pallid quiver]

Or you can use it to fill a gap in defensive CD rotation, like to intentionally die to tree grab

If you're just using it "well what if i die tho"

just use a trinket that stops you from dying in the first place by giving you more stats/damage/defensives

we have options that are good for all three of those this season

[hushed bluff]

unluckey u

[undone verge]

remembering the time I ran a cheat death trinket on my dk in SL and found out they proc'd at the same time as purgatory

[pallid quiver]

yo it'd be funny if you could stack cheat death trinks and talents tho

[undone verge]

they changed it so you can iirc

[pallid quiver]

that's funny

[undone verge]

I had a dk friend tell me that purg procs first now or something

[ashen coral]

In addition to all the example you gave

There are some mechanics which "softly" depends on others

Like affix of this weeks where dps should not kill everything at the same time (although you can do smaller pack), or if healer should have dispelled you but couldn't or just didn't

You could play safer or do not and use the trinket

[pallid quiver]

Discord I'm going to fucking kill you why did you change my notification settings back to default

At any rate, yeah, if you have a specific plan for using cheat death,

It is the single best trinket in the game because no other trinket has that functionality

If you don't it's

really ehhhh

Particularly with our damage profile

[pallid quiver]

hey would you mind just pinging me real quick as a test

[sick sentinel]

So i guess I had become what they wanted me to be, a killer.

[undone verge]

@pallid quiver

[pallid quiver]

Okay, cool. thanks for the help legends

[stuck crane]

This is the best take on it.

[warm plinth]

get fucked

[worldly marsh]

hi there new prot here. do you ever execute as prot?

[pallid quiver]

a lot

It's your go to spender in ST/prio once an enemy gets to execute threshold if you won't rage starve yourself

[worldly marsh]

thought revenge spam would be better

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, we rock sudden death in raid, so you get more before execute range there, too

Revenge does less damage in ST, and is probably? equal in 2T

at least close enough to equal that I wouldn't fuss

[worldly marsh]

I see. thanks

Also, any1 got a macro to shield charge/ charge

[pallid quiver]

It also helps you spend the tons of rage you get when you have all of your CDs rolling at o-

that's a bad time macro unless you're putting them on modifiers to each other

since you use them for different purposes

Shield Charge is effectively a damage CD used in melee range, charge is a gap closer/free rage generator

[worldly marsh]

ok thought shield charge had minimum distance req as charge

thank you

[pallid quiver]

Nope, you can use it in melee range

[worldly marsh]

damn that makes it 3 stuns as prot

[pallid quiver]

It's just on the GCD in melee range

[grizzled nova]

Cheat trinkets are generally bad if you're playing at a level wherre you aught necessarily not be dying, but if you're pushing any kind of key level cheat trinkets become very valuable very quickly

[undone verge]

Well yeah, but it’s the same argument as the ole codex trinket from shadowlands where people show up claiming it’s the best trinket to run because they see some top prot warrior running it in a 29 key when realistically no one coming in to a discord asking about how good a defensive trinket is not going to be doing content where said trinket is good

[pallid quiver]

also iirc codex was even just bad at that purpose, too, even

but that's neither here nor there

[round vortex]

Yo friends! ANyone know how to get raidbots to stop telling me to enchant my gloves lol

[undone verge]

Gotta get that legion gathering boost or you won’t get invited to keys

But in all seriousness if raidbots is telling you to enchant your gloves then it’s an issue with raidbots or there’s a new glove enchant I haven’t heart about. Check crafting orders, it might be soulbound

[jagged pier]

I mean u might just have replace ticked and an enchant selected for gloves in the list of stuff

[lime urchin]

Codex in chat?! What year is it?!

[jagged pier]

[slim pier]

what is fervid bite

[jagged pier]

Your tier set

[slim pier]

it's insane

[pallid quiver]

well

It's taking the damage for your bleeds into it

so if you look in pure ST, rend and T Roar look like they do no damage now

even if it's just because they're all getting packaged into one neat "number go here" setup

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto GM, when you get a chance will you link me your SR announcement WA for some reason the one I have doesnt work

[blazing condor]

wtf is this honor level

[jagged pier]

Mans been grinding

He also could have done that years ago when it was bugged and u could get 100s an hour

[blazing condor]

perhaps

the level 500 mount is something like 4 million honor

[jagged pier]

Yes

It dumb

Even tho i did the pvp world quest everyday in legion on multiple chars i think im like 180 or something

Like its dumb how high it is

[waxen frigate]

Mine is like 30

I unlocked the bronze courser this year

🙂

[opaque quest]

Same

I grinded those 30 in the artahi bot brawl

[waxen frigate]

Lmao

[opaque quest]

No 10 horses get me into pvp

[jagged pier]

Tbf its the casual bg players that have the highest cause all the day do is pvp

[blazing condor]

sure but still the amount of time needed

[jagged pier]

Most big pvpers have less as they spend their time in queues

[waxen frigate]

Or epic bg enjoyers

[blazing condor]

to get to even lvl 500 mount

[waxen frigate]

Because epics give insane honor

[opaque quest]

I just want 10 RBG wins this season for my rogues blue mage tower tints

[waxen frigate]

Have fun with the toxicity and racism

[opaque quest]

Ye cant wait

[uneven mason]

They need to go all riot on the RBG community

[waxen frigate]

Well afaik most of it doesn’t happen in game chats so blizz can’t really police it

[opaque quest]

Where DOES it happen?

I thought there is only VOIP and Chat

[waxen frigate]

Discord

[blazing condor]

r rated rbg

[finite bolt]

i have leatrix plus but cnt see this? is it seting?

[opaque quest]

Its solo qeue tho

I played like 40 matches in Legion. zero toxicity

Probably a "new" thing

[waxen frigate]

Oh that’s gotta be new

[timber nest]

whats the website for routes?

[sick parcel]

Guru something

[devout basalt]

Wowbead, icy veins, Keystone guru

[blazing condor]

crafted both cloak and shoulders now

feels good to replace my 447 ffb

[sick sentinel]

i wouldnt put it that way

cause u reapply ur bleeds

[pallid quiver]

no but like the majority of all the damage that normall shows for rend and t roar go into fervid now

just straight out in details

so rend and t roar show they do massively less damage if you don't think of it that way

[opaque quest]

Ye this season

[rancid panther]

Does shield ilvl matter for dps in terms of do abilities scale on it?

[strong forum]

aside from str and the stats, no the shield itself does not affect dps output

but it does affect how much % of dmg you block

[devout basalt]

Is there a ilvl diff where u should drop old tier

All my old crap is like 424

[strong forum]

thats a sim angle

but i'd guess around 40ish ilvl

[fleet nest]

guys ive been tanking for a week now and im ilvl 471 but i keep dying to the charge on the 2nd boss in everbloom. shit hits me for like 900k and after that i have no rage to stabilize, am i doing something wrong or whats going on?

[strong forum]

charge hit hard

not much you can do

besides rotate CDs

and pray

and obv have DPS not shit up any spaces around the bosses

[opaque quest]

Use IV to stabilize. The 1 GCD might be enough for most healers to spot heal

[pallid quiver]

Also, it is spell blockable, so that can help cover two iirc if you time it properly

[jagged pier]

D stance

rotate CDs

charge/leap out of the pool

so u only get 1 tick

save IV and pot

as well

[pallid quiver]

pay jakey like $10,000 to do the fight for you

[jagged pier]

ill take it

also tell everyone to move away from the prio target on charges

cause then u can go back easy

[normal rampart]

That’s useful, was debating if my 424 helm was ok to replace with 463 non-tier

[blazing condor]

Sim city

[blazing condor]

how come transmog sometimes is called xmog

where does the x come from

same with xmas

hmm

[strong forum]

uuuuhmm

[pallid quiver]

Trans is across

Hence why transatlantic flights and the like are

across the atlantic

and x is

a cross

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

well there we go

makes sense

xmas i can see being called that because you dont wanna have "christ" with it

[strong forum]

thanks for reminding me that chrismas is soontm

[pallid quiver]

funny enough

[strong forum]

idk what i want

[pallid quiver]

it's also christmas

[strong forum]

and what to give others

[pallid quiver]

because of, uh

yeah the whole romans making a man dead thing

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-rage-screaming-internally-mood-scream-rage-gif-21120287

what to get for chis

and what to want

[pallid quiver]

be like me, reject holidays

[blazing condor]

just dont give me your heart like last christmas

i just gave that away

[pallid quiver]

especially holidays made just to compete in proselytizing wars that have now sense become sensaltionalist consumerist garbage, spitting on hundreds of years of cultural traditions and lifestyles

[blazing condor]

hell yeah i love consumerism and capitalism

speaking of which

gonna go out and buy something

[strong forum]

yeah im not that deep

im simple grug and dont care about stuff like that

[pallid quiver]

I mostly just hate it because everyone's a ponce because it's Christmas season, as they yell about how it's the time to be nice and loving

[strong forum]

nah fuck that

[pallid quiver]

so they buy buy buy and shove and spit on people

and i don't think people should be treated like that any time of year

[strong forum]

christmas is just an excuse for the family to get together

thats all it is for me

[blazing condor]

yeah same for me and my family

[pallid quiver]

That's mega fine to me, tbh

[blazing condor]

and good food

[strong forum]

none of that happy spirited decoration consumer cringe

especially the music

go fuck yourself christmas music

[pallid quiver]

I mind modern Christmas music than older Christmas music, because musical progression and melody still exist and all

and then modern is just blatant cash grab rehashes in modern styles that i'm

less fond of

Well, rather, modern pop styles I'm less fond of

i'm a bitter spoilsport and this is why no one keeps me around

[blazing condor]

so why is it called invincible if we can see it

[pallid quiver]

because xXMegaHaxx0rXx commited a great sacrifice to apply Cheat Engine's power to all of us

so we could truly enjoy life and the grind for mounts

[blazing condor]

oh yeah thats my buddy eric

[pallid quiver]

blessed be his name

[devout basalt]

X is an abbreviation for christ

X being the first letter of thr word if you translate it to Greek iirc

[blazing condor]

i c

[pallid quiver]

That'd also do it

[timber nest]

finally getting 2P

holy moly

[blazing condor]

hell ye

[silver narwhal]

If we were to get buffed or reworked, what would you guys hope to see done?

[acoustic oasis]

Is this good for prot?

[blazing condor]

its fine

[blazing condor]

it'd be cool to have a grip/pull/something like that - more mob control thats not just stuns/fears

[devout basalt]

Ditch spear give me banner

[median tulip]

The lack of secondaries is not great, but the effect is pretty ok... overall it's a wash, use it if it's your highest ilvl 1 hander but use something else if you have better

[blazing condor]

yeah id also really like to go back to the necrolord gameplay

[acoustic oasis]

Yeah just got it, higher track then what I had currently

[round vortex]

Anyone else hate the tier set in M+? Not being able to take shockwave blows ass haha

[devout basalt]

Would go a long way toward warrs utility

[round vortex]

Going to experiemtn with taking out the CD reduction on TR

[silver narwhal]

Is the builds in the pins for 4p?

[median tulip]

Avatar moved way down the class tree so all warriors can actually make choices rather than be locked into one concept. Same for Shockwave because having a necessaqry stop in the tier 3 talents is just dickery.

In the spec tree, swap the positions of Bloodbourne and Bolster, and make Bloodbourne a 1 point talent for the same effect as currently 2. Likewise swap Thunderlord and the SoF/Sudden Death choice node's positions. Then remove the pathways leading from Challenging Shout and FbV/BV to Shield Wall (which nobody uses) and instead put in pathways from Bloodsurge to the new position of Bloodbourne and from Instigate to the new position of SoF/Sudden Death.

Finally, Bring Back Banner (with additional talents for the old Covenant Legenday Effect), eliminate BSV and replace the nodes after Ravager with a choice node that adds either Last Stand or Ravager to the effect of Anger Management (a la how it was in BfA).

There, fixed.

[pallid quiver]

I want the banners from pandaland back tbh

I still feel cheated they thought about skull

I understand why they didn't

but i want it

[rain light]

I'd like Slam to remove enrage affects and a bloodlust.

[hollow bolt]

i miss skull banner

[blazing condor]

i miss banners in general

[hollow bolt]

intervene on them was super nice taunt banner was hella broken demo baner was meh

[blazing condor]

demo banner and taunt banner were both cool

[silver narwhal]

I agree wirh the Necrolord minigame. It was fun.

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, really, bring pandaland banners back

They were really cool

[blazing condor]

then again

i already have like 40 binds

[median tulip]

I didn't play MoP, so no idea about how any of those worked. Conqueror's Banner was Cool AF though

[blazing condor]

3 more banners would be eeh

[blazing condor]

they were like conq banner 1.0 where you "placed" a banner and shit happened around it

[pallid quiver]

The most notable was Skull Banner, which increased the entire raid's crit damage

[blazing condor]

either giving the raid a bunch of crit

demo shout aura

[hollow bolt]

skull banner bluss the shammy totem

/kiss

[blazing condor]

or taunt everything

like an ox statue kinda

[pallid quiver]

You could also intervene to them as if they were a friendly target

[hollow bolt]

speaking of reworking tallents anyone take improved heroic throw?

[median tulip]

I generally dislike totem mechanics, TBQH

[hollow bolt]

like that and titanic throw seemed dead as fuck

[median tulip]

Conqueror's Banner S3 though... Chef's Kiss

[pallid quiver]

They had skull banner in our DF trees at one point

[blissful sable]

What embleshments will prots craft in this season?

[pallid quiver]

and iirc it was gonna be on the back instead of placed

They opted to not give it, I believe to not give Warriors something mega overcentralizing, because, again, it was crit damage it increased, not just like crit rate or something

so it was whacky

[median tulip]

TBH I like the CB uptime minigame; it was something you could actually be good at. But ofc the people who weren't whined about it, which is why we can't have nice things.

[sage granite]

evening, how can i get pin here for talents

?

[pallid quiver]

Are you on mobile?

[sage granite]

no, pc

[pallid quiver]

you press the pin at the top right

[blissful sable]

any ideas people? :d

[sage granite]

ty

[median tulip]

Shadowflame Wrists and Cloak with Haste/Crit on them

[blazing condor]

so do we just go itf at high haste

or is it more of a "eh if u want" thing

[silver narwhal]

Sorry to ask again, but are the pins optimized for current 4-piece?

[pallid quiver]

You don't have to, but it's better once you hit the breakpoint since it is more damage

[blazing condor]

yeah im sitting on 6k haste so might as well

[pallid quiver]

The more recent pins should be if you have 4p

You have to go back to get the T30 builds,

And the 2p2p ST build is specifically marked as such in pins

They're the ones under the T31 talent builds post

[lusty grotto]

i dont use a WA, only a macro

[dusky canopy]

ahhh alright np

[lusty grotto]

yo

[lusty grotto]

that was you the other day in dht right? i checked bnet and you werent online

and also you were troll

i kind of was like hold up

[dusky canopy]

Yes that was me

xD

what did I troll idr

[lusty grotto]

wew almost gaslit myself

btw i got the sword on my last run before raid

on wednesday 😢

took me so many runs lol

[timber nest]

are we leaning towards Into the fray in season 3?

did i miss something

[strong forum]

With enough haste, it's pretty good yes

[timber nest]

i have like 6200 right now

[strong forum]

Dunno how good or bad it is in ultra keys when it comes to block uptime on bosses

But should generally be fine

[pallid quiver]

just get a pally and have them bubble taunt to cover your uptime if it drops :L

[chilly brook]

I’ve ran at least 10 ADs and no shield

[lusty grotto]

why ad shield

[chilly brook]

Cuz it’s convenient to run

[lusty grotto]

get everbloom or rise shields

[chilly brook]

Fuck rise

[lusty grotto]

though everbloom is fucking aids this week with bursting, whoever in blizz decided flowers should burst is smoking some crack

[chilly brook]

See now you’ve answered your own question

[lusty grotto]

we ran one last night and we went when our 1st pull gave us like 30 stacks of bursting

[chilly brook]

That being said I did an eb earlier and it wasn’t that bad

[lusty grotto]

yeah its pretty chill

except for bursting

[pallid quiver]

just kill everything at once and die, ezpz

[lusty grotto]

🙂

[pallid quiver]

the door's right there

[chilly brook]

No deaths to bursting

Just me causing a wipe because I was like “nothing hits hard” and pulled too much

[lusty grotto]

also people that insta go into portal

and dont understand the boss auto agroes

[sick sentinel]

i dunno wtf i did but healer insta leaved when key was done just some baby key

[toxic pewter]

Just kill heroic nymue for shield

And win on first kill

Like me

[lusty grotto]

why

[toxic pewter]

Somethin to do

[lusty grotto]

gnarl/tott/rise are haste crit shields

not filthy versa

😄

[onyx matrix]

what have you guys crafted so far for your prot spec?

[blazing condor]

ive done the 2 embellishes

just to have it done

since those wont be replaced

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

those things

[onyx matrix]

so its pretty much cloak and bracers?

[blazing condor]

ye

[onyx matrix]

gotcha thx

[vocal flame]

Silly question but are we loot speccing prot for all dungs for gear minus dazar for trinket?

[sullen gust]

I think it will depend on what you need

Like if you have a shield already at a level you want, you can fish for dps trinkets

[blazing condor]

so how long is the adventure guide gonna be broken until ppl fix it you think

[chilly brook]

Prot until you get a shield

[zinc root]

how do u deal with bursting

[blazing condor]

i was saved to smolderon normal and now the entire raid is super angry

cus "someone" was saved

and they got -1 loot piece

its like among us in the chat rn

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSHXGM7kgE

when the raid boss only drops 1 piece of loot for the entire raid....

[lusty grotto]

you dont, your dps and heals have to manage it

[blazing condor]

in reality its a healer affix

cus u cant reason with dps not to burst

[winged slate]

You can stagger some pulls to try and help

[sick sentinel]

im not sure if im recording or logging wow atm

should fix that

[median tulip]

Everbloom +19 - that HURTS

Second boss is the pain point

[waxen frigate]

Interesting

I got through second boss fine then group fell apart to third bos

On a 20

[median tulip]

The mage? She was a healer burst check, but not unmanageable

[sick sentinel]

u done dht on high key

first boss's charge somehow oneshotted me

[strong forum]

you can sidestep the charge

if youre far away enough

[rustic pagoda]

should we be shifting away from haste at 30 or 40?

[lusty grotto]

i did a 20 this week, wasnt bad

[young wasp]

Boys, on Atal last boss. Should tanks be eating some of the spiders once it gets rediculous how many there are?

[strong forum]

no

[lusty grotto]

read my nickname

[strong forum]

never eat spiders

does more harm than good

[young wasp]

heard chef

[lusty grotto]

ideally you want the whole group on top of the boss so they bait to a specific spot

and you keep moving boss around

they only run away from boss for adds

[blazing condor]

Fyrakk is the CEO of DGAF

[lusty grotto]

didnt have block up

[vocal flame]

thank you!

[sick sentinel]

good life advice in general really, never ate a good spider

[chilly brook]

The real answer is to just check each dungeon and swap based on what you need/don’t need though

[waxen frigate]

Well on average you eat 2 per year in your sleep

[median tulip]

Done it on +18. I found it pretty easy TBH

[jagged pier]

yer it was fine on 20 as well

[sick sentinel]

its not great

[opaque quest]

Just get Rezans and scale from doti and youre set

[opaque quest]

Thats a lie. Spiders are scared of your body heat

[waxen frigate]

I’m cold blooded

[opaque quest]

Fair

[chilly brook]

Big false

https://www.britannica.com/story/do-we-really-swallow-spiders-in-our-sleep

[languid carbon]

Thank you. I was a bit worried.

[sick sentinel]

im not sure what u mean exactly by this lol

[cinder nova]

Just get Brand and Augury 4hed

[waxen frigate]

My body is a bit different from most people I have a condition called amphibomyosis that means I can’t produce my own body heat, similar to other cold blooded animals like reptiles. So I have a heat lamp in my room and special bedsheets/pillows to regulate temperature. I also live in a warm area for most of the year to help with regulating body heat

[sick sentinel]

so ur a lizard

[frozen rose]

for darkheart thicket...I need to get punted into the air yeah? like using most of the room. for boss 1? Cause whenever I aim myself into a wall, it seems quite risky as it's difficult to tell where boss is and if I have enough time to get out of the way. Wondering what the right play here is? Lot of dps are being stupid tho and getting killed by the frontal when I'm using a lot of space for it

[cinder nova]

Is that real? Pretty sure humans just drop dead from a lack of regulatory processes

[waxen frigate]

Sorta

[waxen frigate]

Pretty real yeah

[silent vessel]

thats very interesting

never heard of that

[sick sentinel]

that was painful to see

[frozen rose]

LOL

yeah i mean....thats whats happening

id rather just aim against a wall, and hope for the best

pop defenses

hope i choose the right side to run to for the charge

[cinder nova]

Does it go by any other term?

[sick sentinel]

i dunno what DRs like block probably most likley, assuming its a physical so block, dunno,

[waxen frigate]

Maybe but idk

[sick sentinel]

i give it a bit of spacs i can be knocked back at least so many yards and when he or another monster does a larg knockback i do charge back, the forge master boss in neltharus

lair final as well

[cinder nova]

Doesn't show up in Google under that term so it's either super rare or the diagnosis term is uncommon.

I also don't know why they'd call it as Amphi, because it seems kinda unrelated other regulatory types.

[waxen frigate]

Probably because I made it up

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-gif-7678673529070379788

[cinder nova]

Figured as much, I was like ??? humans can't even survive without endothermic processes, that'd be wild if someone's metabolic behavior mutated independent of it.

[waxen frigate]

Yeah sometimes I just like spouting nonsense

[cinder nova]

But we've also seen some seriously insane shit in humans

[waxen frigate]

The internet is fun

[cinder nova]

Like those people who just don't develop lactic acid.

What a superpower.

[timber nest]

is there an addon thatll auto accept role checks for group finger?

finder*

so i can alt tab when doing guild mythic+

[waxen frigate]

Why are you doing role checks in guild keys

[cinder nova]

You heard of these folks? Talk about hitting the genetic lottery. You can just exercise and run almost indefinitely.

[timber nest]

because we are spamming ToTT and EB

so not our keys

[waxen frigate]

Ah

There are some but I’m not able to remember the names.

Might be a weakaura tbh

[timber nest]

ALSO, once I have 2P do i drop old 2P for ilevel or only 4P?

nvm thats what pins say

[blazing condor]

i feel like the lactic acid is there for a reason though - like because your muscles dont have enough oxygen or smth

so having it would be good because it makes it so you dont strain?

but maybe its just op

[dull zodiac]

wowhead shows best embells for season 2, did it not change in s3 then?

[vocal flame]

still shadow

[vocal flame]

i think i will have to do that

[cinder nova]

Yes, the technical function of the mutation is that it flushes lactic acid out of the system faster. The lactic acid building up sends signals to the brain, but if you don't reach a build-up threshold, it's kinda limitless* big asterisk.

We do need it, though. It's just the buildup in the muscles is a massive limiting factor.

Hell, it's almost impossible to avoid, it's a byproduct of how we process glucose.

[rain light]

Anybody else nearly dying of heart attack every time you tank DHT on 2nd boss. Even post nerf the grips the boss done to the tank are fucking me royally on anything 20+.. I survived +20 today just, then went +21 and as predicted couldn't survive to the end. I've just created a build specifically for this boss which is just nuts. Is it just me? Any tips?

Literally not even spending rage on revenge just ignore pain

[cinder nova]

It's overtuned, yes.

Your healer needs to pocket you hard.

If your healer is dead-set on you, you can live as long as you're careful with CDs and make sure you're spending them on only Crush.

But it's wildly overtuned, absolutely. You're not even racing the mechanics after a point, you're racing against your healer's mana bar.

Because if they're playing right there's definitely a possibility of them having to sacrifice a DPS to keep you up later in the fight, and they're dumping gobs of mana inefficiently just to keep your ass alive.

That said, I think it'll smooth out with gear. When people are almost entirely 483+ as a gold standard for those keys, it'll be easier.

[jagged pier]

its not over tuned im sorry

its really simple

u need to rotate cds and your healer needs to heal u

[cinder nova]

It's ticking for like 50-60% of our HP super fast through CDs.

How is that not overtuned?

[jagged pier]

i mean i havent had an issue with it

[cinder nova]

Jake, don't you run with a dedicated team at like mid-20s?

[jagged pier]

no

u can check my logs

i pugged it today

was fine

all i do is ask them to heal me during grip

u dodge all other damage on that fight anyway

[cinder nova]

Are you leaping breath?

[jagged pier]

ye

[cinder nova]

What's the threshold

.5s?

[jagged pier]

no like loads of time

[cinder nova]

When do you leap? Does he not follow you?

[lavish gale]

He starts the cast, you leap, charge back in when it ends

[cinder nova]

Wait, he plants during the cast?

[blazing condor]

crying in lfg rn

[cinder nova]

I figured he'd chase you down as he casts it.

[strong forum]

he doesnt move

only rotates

[cinder nova]

Wish Splock worked on crush

[chilly brook]

Just because you can do it doesn’t mean it’s wildly out of wack from the rest of the dungeons

Crushing grip is wild

Like the boss is definitely overtuned

[cinder nova]

Just feels like crush is, the breath doesn't feel awful tbh

but knowing you can just jump away is even easier

[blazing condor]

whats up with the layering outside DOTI

where you wanna summon

[winged slate]

Quest progress changes your phase

If you did the bronze campaign shit

[blazing condor]

ah

thats dumb

but makes sense

[winged slate]

It's like the awkward phasing outside of last seasons lava dungeon

Where standing behind the stone phases you correctly

But standing in front can make you disappear

Can't remember the name for some reason

[normal rampart]

AD too, thought someone was war mode but just quest phased

[sick sentinel]

theres weird shit going on if u beat a wcm, don't reset it

and then zone in

u start at 3rd boss and the teleporter takes u to 3rd bos and then both doors are also locked

forcing u to portal out

[lusty grotto]

no, that just means you didnt reset

[sick sentinel]

it should send u to the lobby always and u should be able to zone out

is what i mean

[lusty grotto]

read pins

[sick sentinel]

some dungeons, the bubble isn't big enough or placed properly preventing you from leave similiar reasons

[lusty grotto]

nope

hasnt happened to me

[sick sentinel]

started vanquish today, thats fun

[short veldt]

best way to farm flightstones?

[strong forum]

spam HC mega dungeon

you get 65 stones per boss

bosses have 3mil hp

[median tulip]

Oh boy. The last boss in TotT is a mess on Tyr

[blazing condor]

felt fine when i did it today

but depends on how good the water-pissers are

[chilly brook]

Having DPS stack the circles helps

[median tulip]

Just getting the add grouped up was a royal PITA

[chilly brook]

Aka going into bad to drop bad

I was doing it as arms didn’t seem like I was in danger of dying

[median tulip]

It doesn't help that the water can go on the healer, it must be said

[chilly brook]

Not much damage on the fight during that though

[vocal flame]

I am gonna sim but crap right? lkol

[median tulip]

The blotyting Darkness is ticking for 100k, it's not something DPS can live in for long

[median tulip]

It sims about the same as a 447 Anvil from last season

[sleek current]

Fyrakk add phase is dogshit. You can't even silence or interrupt them to group them. You have to use a push or grip. Designing a fight that a tank can solo BDK, is a little... Fuck sake Blizzard.

[vocal flame]

yikes lol

Yeah so I am going fury loot spec from now on its just trinket city as prot in chests

[cinder nova]

I feel like it's not that bad as long as you're proactively positioning.

You can also use hard CC to keep them from casting as you move to kill them

Trap, shackle, etc.

[sick sentinel]

anything with the word spores has historically been bad for us

sporecloak, sporepods

[chilly brook]

Move boss and cleave lol

It’s really not that bad

[vocal flame]

haha ty for the info. I think I am done with prot spec with chests

[chilly brook]

And you’re also not solo tanking that fight

[blazing condor]

the big ads pulse and hurt the souls right

[blazing condor]

a lot of ppl are solo tanking it apparently now

[sleek current]

I'm not saying it's "difficult" I'm saying it's dogshit that I have nothing in my toolkit to group them but, a BDK can group everything and tank the boss solo.

[median tulip]

Sporepods

[chilly brook]

Not happening in mythic, only difficulty that matters

[blazing condor]

well

[chilly brook]

[blazing condor]

yeah

[jagged pier]

Bdk hasnt solod a single fight btw they still taunting off so stacks can reset, nothing new there

[dusky canopy]

OH SHIT

Liquid P3

[jagged pier]

Echo also got there

Probably been there since they went dark as well

[cinder storm]

At this pace should be downed tomorrow

[chilly brook]

Basically the fetid strat

One tank takes the consistent damage, the other takes da big pp hit or just resets things

[jagged pier]

Kinda

More 20 stacks vs 6

[jagged pier]

No

[cinder storm]

I really hope limit wins so we don't get two months of max in every stream giving a 2 hours speech

[strong forum]

he does that in either case

[jagged pier]

Phase 3 is gunna be wild they nerfed the adds because even tho the guilds could get to p3 it would be too inconsistent and p3 is gunna be hard to they just made it easier to get to the hard bit of the fight

[strong forum]

max is a poor winner or poor loser

[cinder storm]

Preach

[strong forum]

like his tweet about complaining about people stealing strats was just

[jagged pier]

Dont stream then ez clap

[strong forum]

thats what they did

which is also cringe

[sick sentinel]

i dunno wtf but my master hammer macro hits everything but hands

[cinder storm]

Was about to say that

[strong forum]

no honor

[sick sentinel]

i have all my points in armor smithin

[jagged pier]

No i mean dont stream the whole race

But they wont do that

[strong forum]

correct

[blazing condor]

ofc ppl are gonna steal strats

thats why global release is good

[cinder storm]

Both guilds still get a huge revenue from ads and subs, they are winners either way

[chilly brook]

Idk all I’ve seen from Max is “we just fucked up here and should have been better at x y z”

When they lose

And EU also whines

So I mean like neither side is perfect

But at least NA has some entertaining raid comms

[sweet surge]

Do we have a preferred One-hander from M+/Raid (Heroic max for me)?

[strong forum]

gholak beats everything

[cinder storm]

That's the main reason why I watch limit, it's more entertaining, less structured in a sense

[chilly brook]

Fyrakk weapon

[cinder nova]

Gholak

[strong forum]

even normal gholak is bis

[sweet surge]

jesus, I took 0 loot from raid unfortch. Second best?

[sick sentinel]

is this correct for retail

for macro im trying to macro my hammer hit gloves for free repairs

[chilly brook]

Trinkets are right

Idk about everything else

[sick sentinel]

nvm i had 2 macros same icon

[sweet surge]

is there a 2nd best that is known, or all of em are irrelevant

[strong forum]

all irrelevant in the face of gholak

[sweet surge]

I just checked it out. Good in M+ too?

[chilly brook]

Yes…

[sweet surge]

ty

[sick sentinel]

is heart of darkness buff on me

or debuff on enemy

apparently i had a 92% uptime on it

[winged slate]

Uptime doesn't really matter that's not why the trinket sucks

[strong forum]

the trinket works premit

[sick sentinel]

I wonder how that works if it goes on multiple targets, seems like would be really nice if i can have it 92% up time all the time

[strong forum]

so, before armor, before IP before block, before vers

so you reduce 200k to 190k, and then reduce it by like 70% or w/e

so its not a total of 10k actual reduction

more like 1 or 2k

[sick sentinel]

meaning the reduce by 7500 is way less than advertised

or just slightly

[strong forum]

way way way less

[winged slate]

If you mitigate 70% of all damage, 7500 is also mitigated by 70%

[sick sentinel]

this is dmg in

12? 10? 9? dht

im spamming for haste egg cuz yogi haste trinket

[winged slate]

Alternatively you could use a good trinket

[sick sentinel]

im gunna go get smacked by one of those raid tank dummies to see

[strong forum]

see what

[winged slate]

Maybe he'll see himself cleaving the melee with archdruid's charge again

[blazing condor]

so the play is to jump the throw on 2nd boss dht

and not the breath?

[strong forum]

you cant do that

you leap the breath

[blazing condor]

[winged slate]

You can jump out of the throw

[strong forum]

wat

[winged slate]

If the target is far enough

So you don't slam into them

[blazing condor]

ive heard 100 ppl say to jump the grab today

but idk

[winged slate]

You can't avoid getting grabbed

[strong forum]

sus

the throw doesnt do dmg

[winged slate]

It hurts the DPS

[sick sentinel]

see how much i get smacked for

with buff and without

[strong forum]

doesnt do relevant amounts in weekly keys

[sick sentinel]

i forgot what i was doing mid way throug

[strong forum]

you wanna leap the breath

so you have all CDs for the grip

and the throw always gets thrown on the furthest target

so the DPS can bait it

[restive scroll]

All cd and ignore pain pre stacked

That's actually the main issue of tanking the breath imo, you get into grip without ignore pain stacked

[strong forum]

and you get 1shot

if you dont use a CD

(if the key is high enough)

[restive scroll]

Two tank buster that strong in a row is pretty damn bad!

[chilly brook]

The boss is ass

Playable, but ass

[strong forum]

its omega free if you have hpal or rdruid

you just rotate SW -> external -> SW

and have a CD for every single grip

without breaking a sweat

[chilly brook]

Boss gonna catch a nerf

[restive scroll]

I'm more concerned by murozond tbh

[vocal nimbus]

when the hell does this dude cast flame shock or mind rot

only seen the cast of the swirlies and the totem

[strong forum]

flameshock is rng targeting

[vocal nimbus]

and mind rot?

[undone verge]

flame shock is like every 10 seconds and prefers dps and healer

and mindrot is aoe dmg once you phase him

idr the frequency tho

[vocal nimbus]

starting with 5.4k haste unbuffed ITF starts becoming really good this means ITF over HR above 5.4k haste or until 5.4k haste?

[undone verge]

iirc the haste value from ITF isnt affected by DRs so it becomes really good once you start hitting the haste DR

since its a flat %

[strong forum]

what does "start" indicate

or imply

the beginning of something, right?

[vocal nimbus]

ye sry

[strong forum]

[vocal nimbus]

i tend to over double check too much

[sick sentinel]

the egg sack or whatever haste is trash for us too right

im curious to hear how thats bullshit

[strong forum]

it only procs 0.7 times per minute

so you have barely 10% uptime on it

and its a ramping trinket

[sick sentinel]

the way i assumed it was going to be bullshit was

[strong forum]

so its not even good for like half of its proc time

[sick sentinel]

it procs enough and then it exists for 20 seconds and then you have to do things to get more stacks but the proc rate would be dog shit

[strong forum]

nah

you get the buff, then it stacks up for 20seconds

[sick sentinel]

i thought thats how heart of darkness was going to ask

[strong forum]

and then falls off

[sick sentinel]

too much varianc how much dmg the raid dummy boss strikes me for

and variance of attack type, one even does shadow dmg

would have to log it to see the different

so far i like butcher block, satic str and sometimes big crit, and might of the ocean static crit and big str on use, able to line it up with avatar well

[vocal flame]

One trinket I have not gotten yet ^

[blazing condor]

finally got a shield

albeit a champ-path one

but at least an upgrade from 447

[sick sentinel]

damnit, so we cant even get a crit haste weapon from keys

[torn gulch]

i mean it does not matter unless you don't raid

because we all chase the raid weapon

[blazing condor]

Gholak is gonna be dope on Iridikron

too bad damage doesn't matter there until you're on 90-85%

[strong forum]

Well 90% is when the fight is generally over...

[toxic pewter]

I got two gholak already

Would be cool if I could use both at same time

[median tulip]

I have a normal Gholak, but 1 handers don't seem to drop on higher content for me

[strong forum]

Normal gholak gets replaced by heroic gholak

Which only gets replaced by mythic gholak

476 gholak straight up better than any m+ weapon

Maybe a 489 vault weapon is better

[blazing condor]

if u got appropriate dps

i failed the dps check once

[median tulip]

Got Avoidance on it too

[toxic pewter]

I ended up taking heroic ghloak in my vault but still feel like maybe mythic tier chest would of been better it’s hard to gauge what more valuable lol

[toxic pewter]

Ohh avoidance is nice

[median tulip]

TBH I would prefer Leech, but hey, more stats is still better stats, regardless

[misty elk]

hello, guys may what i can reflect on Ozumat dung boss?

as tank

[median tulip]

There's a Spreadsheet in the pinned messages with everything that can be spell reflected or spell blocked in every dungeon

[strong forum]

When you step outside of melee range, he attacks you with a ranged attack, you can reflect that

[misty elk]

ohhh thanks

now i understand i tried eveything but nothing seems to get refelcted

[median tulip]

I had real trouble with Ozumat earlier

The damage is not the issue, it's the gathering of the adds and the cleansing that makes or breaks the fight

[flat sorrel]

Any good prot warriors to watch vods of?

[weary saddle]

Nextback

[vocal nimbus]

what should i drop to get bounding stride in the m+ build?

[sick sentinel]

dht red flowers op

ppl die to them like nuts

[jagged palm]

how good is prophetic stonescales for prot warr?

[grim pilot]

Well it's a cheat death trinket, assuming you play properly and not push high keys it's pretty bad

[vocal nimbus]

anyone knows if ursine vengeance is still bugged?

[toxic pewter]

Usually drop pain and gain

[warm plinth]

According to hotfix on like the 17th or something, it should work not

now*

I don't have it to test though

[vocal nimbus]

huh

will try it this key then

[knotty hornet]

Does anyone know exactly how much extra damage you take as tank when hit from behind?

Can't find any explanation anywhere

[warm plinth]

You don't take extra damage when hit from behind.

Being hit from behind just negates the ability to be able to block/dodge/parry.

[knotty hornet]

I see

[warm plinth]

So obviously for prot war, that's very very bad, since 90% of our mitigation is blocking.

[knotty hornet]

Yeah yeah

Shield block gone

I assume def stance and shield wall still work?

[warm plinth]

Yes, everything but blocking/spell blocking and parry/dodge would work.

DRs work no matter what

[knotty hornet]

I get it now, thanks!

I used to think there's also some bonus damage taken

[warm plinth]

Nope, as far as I can remember, that's never been a thing. Just the lack of avoidance mechanics.

Sitting is the only thing you can do that will actively affect how much damage something does, because it forces a crit

[vocal nimbus]

ursine vengeance did 2% of my dmg in a BRH 20

2.3% to be precise

dunno if that info is valuable for anything

[warm plinth]

How much is 2.3%

Percentage damage is kinda variable since it's based on player skill and ilevel

[vocal nimbus]

130k overall 460 equipped

[warm plinth]

no I mean, what was the actual total damage the trinket did

[vocal nimbus]

3.7M

[warm plinth]

seems pretty good, considering the amount of strength it gives too

[vocal nimbus]

tru

[grizzled nova]

it's bad, and bugged which is why it's doing bad dps

[vocal nimbus]

i didnt want to say it

but it felt pretty underwhelming

although its just a stat stick

[warm plinth]

The bug was that it wasn't stacking, which was fixed

[grizzled nova]

afaik the stacks are still dropping randomly

[waxen sorrel]

Had to call it 2nd boss in TTT 17

That druid was more dead then alive god damn

[zinc root]

so what are the top trinkets atm?

icyveins and wowhead say diff things

[timber nest]

Signet brand and augur

[warm plinth]

Jesus what is that damage

What ilvl was that hunter

[zinc root]

how about from m+

[waxen sorrel]

I didnt check but like it was bad @warm plinth
That was lady he was a live till like 10% or so

[warm plinth]

Smfh

People getting skulldragged in these 17s man lol

[waxen sorrel]

Like the difference between a 17 group where people do dmg and somewhat know the mechanics and then these kinda groups. Its like two different dungeons

[warm plinth]

Yeah people got too boosted during fort week

So many bosses this week that are completely different skill requirement than last week

[waxen sorrel]

I have done idk 15 TTT 17s and completed 3 or something. (It drops 3 pieces that could become tier)

One of them was so smooth

I was like is this the same dungeon

[grim pilot]

I'm surprised that's the case (since you said it is)

People have much higher ilv on average

And just by pressing W can do more than last week

[waxen sorrel]

ilvl semi irrelevant when you dont know wtf the abilities do

When its tyr

[warm plinth]

Yeah but you could face roll a lot of the bosses that actually require strategy this week.

[waxen sorrel]

and the boss will blast ur ass if u fuck up

[warm plinth]

E.g. yazma, 2nd and last boss of ToT

[waxen sorrel]

Like last boss in TTT and people dont know to stack the ink

and rotate sides with it and kill adds next to ink

[grim pilot]

Surprised you didnt mention gursha

or w/e his name is

haven't tanked tot yet

I just see tanks take fuckload of damage there

and instead mentioned yazma

[sick sentinel]

I don't take any dmg as a bdk uwu

[waxen sorrel]

Done very few ADs tbh

Like only one

What is hard about last boss?

Mechanics wise

Trying to remember

[grim pilot]

Nothing

It just got buffed

Well not from tanks perspective

[waxen sorrel]

Just reflect dot blast thing

[grim pilot]

It's annoying boss for dps due to constant spider dodging and it's interruptible now

You dont get it as tank

[waxen sorrel]

smh

Give me

[grim pilot]

Only somewhat of an issue there is that last week you could use 1 defensive like every 45 seconds or so for soulrend and now you can get actively sniped

[cinder nova]

Is it more ideal to send on smold's damage phase

or just throw everything as it comes and only hold if it's close

[warm plinth]

Yazma is about spider management. People just stood in the middle or wherever they wanted last week and got away with it

[cinder nova]

I gotta get them parses up

[warm plinth]

Also mind bender is overturned and really just a dps check. There's not really strategy to it

Which is why I didn't mention It

[trim condor]

not only 17s, I timed lolt of 19s on my dh tank which shouldnt be timed with people dps. We had 70k dps unholy dk in +19 rise dungeon. I had 90 there

[warm plinth]

the fuck...

[cinder nova]

week 2 churn matches you up with jabronis that'll be hardstuck in the teens for the entire season

Another week or two and the stratification will be more evident

[trim condor]

just finished 18 hold +3, farming ring there. This is one of the better dps lock in my runs (465 lock btw)
I feel like people rerolled and didnt try their classes before patch launched

[grim pilot]

you say it's a dps check but whenever I did that key I was racing with other people

ig I was just lucky to have good teammates in tot

[warm plinth]

wdym racing with other people

[grim pilot]

Even tho I was saving all my shit for totem dh was still blasting that stuff

Diff built

[warm plinth]

yeah but that doesn't mean it's not a dps check. There's nothing to that fight besides killing the totem

[hazy bronze]

LoS is a hard mechanic sir

[bleak breach]

100%

[waxen sorrel]

The amount of people getting hit by the AOE burst on the totem boss that requires LOS

[warm plinth]

[median tulip]

When I did a run earlier, Mindbender was easy; as long as your DPS notice each totem and the healer dispels the Flame Shock he can barely do any damage. Co-ordination check, not DPS.

Ink of Ozumat though, is both a co-ordination check and a DPS check. And with 2 ranged adds every time it's quite susceptible to party composition. I ran it with 2 melee and a Priest healer, and it was painful to get the adds stacked up. Other comps may have a much easier time of it.

I suspect that your best pick for there would be a Shaman, FWIW

[waxen sorrel]

Can you trade aspects into wyrms? I am being giga blocked by wyrm and have yet to use as an aspect

[median tulip]

If you max out your Aspects for the week they automatically get converted downwards

Same at every stage.

[waxen sorrel]

I mean I am at my weekly wyrm cap

and i need more

A lot more

[waxen sorrel]

I will post logs and vods later but I already feel like i have gotten better from the convo yesterday

In battle stance a lot more at least that's a start

[chilly brook]

despite my assumption that this trinket is meh I'm still curious if it actually procs a lot

[waxen sorrel]

Those trinkets with that wording usually procs on CD when you are tanking thrash at least

Not tried it though

[median tulip]

LOL. Guy trying to buy an LFR Cataclysmic Signet Brand from me

[toxic pewter]

30k nothin

Should of offered 300k

[median tulip]

I'd still have turned him down for 300k

[waxen sorrel]

I paid a token for a heroic class trinket for evoker last season to a mage that got giga carried through the raid

felt bad

[toxic pewter]

Should of offered 3 million

[waxen sorrel]

but i wanted it

And a token was pretty cheap still

[toxic pewter]

Gross

[waxen sorrel]

Nodders

I have more gold then sense

[shut musk]

Hey I just swapped to prot and my Hekili addon doesn't work for some reason, does anyone have a fix for this?

[waxen sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-turn-around-kid-wrong-door-gif-4930555

[shut musk]

its telling me to use abilities that are already on cooldown

is there any fix to this ?

[warm plinth]

no idea. We don't recommend Hekili so I would be surprised if anyone had a fix for it in here.

[toxic pewter]

Maybe don’t use addons like that?

And actually play the game as it is intended?

[shut musk]

obviously its a starter addon and I use it for low keys, im not trying to say its better or anything thats not my argument. Im looking for a fix

[waxen sorrel]

I like to enable hekili when i jump to a new spec or class for a few days

[toxic pewter]

Vile

[shut musk]

thank you for responses, ill have to search elsewhere. sorry

[waxen sorrel]

As for the actual question no idea. Worked for me yesterday but disabled it today so idk if there was an update

[urban portal]

honestly

this trinket cant be that bad

just because it gives persistent 2% vers

or something like that

its essentially like 10.0 hunger of the pack

[teal swift]

It is intended.

If it was unintended blizzard would've disabled it

Like they have many other add-ons.

Don't shame people for the tools they use.

That said, go ask on the hekili community.

[toxic pewter]

I shame them and look down on them

As I do defenders of the vile addon as well

Have an opportunity to better their gameplay by asking some solid players some good questions and instead insult the community and themselves by automating their gameplay

[lusty grotto]

hekili is great for learning classes

dont shame it, its a good learning tool

[toxic pewter]

I shame it and look down on it

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt

[toxic pewter]

I will until I die

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt play the game for you

[chilly brook]

only reason I noticed it was the fact that it's a legit stat stick

[urban portal]

honestly

how bad can i t be

[chilly brook]

current setup

I'm sure it would be nice on a BrM tho just for the raw vers

but I'm also certain the giga trinkets from raid would still be better for them

[median tulip]

[chilly brook]

my trinkets do be garbage

but everything is garbage next to signet and the other one

[median tulip]

I got one of those Embers of Nullification. I simmed it. 447 Anvil was better.

[chilly brook]

well ye, a lot of trinkets are better