for some reasons rank 1 is always the most expensive one
#protection
grim pilot
lusty grotto
its not always been that way
grim pilot
or very close to being the most expensive
lusty grotto
there was a period between bfa and sl where dps trinkets dropped for tank loots spec
they specifically made that change back then
median tulip
I have Sophic on mine because fuck buying a 10k Wafting for a weapon I'll replace as soon as I see a Mythic track one
lusty grotto
and then they doubled back for some reason
median tulip
Huh. TIL. I had a break between BfA and SL.
sick sentinel
dht route never really changes right
just size of pulls depending on key, bigger for 20
raw parcel
Dunno if this one has been asked...
When the new 2 set eats our bleeds, does the eaten deep wounds damage count for Fueled by Violence?
sick sentinel
far as i was aware fbv was bugged all of df and for god only knows how long really
i think?
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
well, how long has fbv been bugged df 10.0?
raw parcel
I think it was BV that was bugged.
sick sentinel
cuz i remember we never ever at any point took it someone said it doesnt work or doesnt work right
raw parcel
BV was bugged, not sure if it still is, and we still are recommended to take it.
chilly brook
fbv hasnt been bugged
pretty sure fbv was bugged at some point
but not to the point of BV
sick sentinel
well, im running bv
raw parcel
Got it, thanks. So... the time of FBV has not yet come.
lusty grotto
yeah i havent swapped out of bv since s1 either
median tulip
dht route never really changes right
Skip the 2 bears before the first boss, and jump over the rocks rather than through the hole
lusty grotto
sorry, yes BrV
sick sentinel
Skip the 2 bears before the first boss, and jump over the rocks rather than thro...
i saw that in EB to boss 2 skip the 2 patrol
warm plinth
second, the difference between them is insignificant. You can run either of them
which is also said in the pins
sick sentinel
then they changed it so you cant do that any more
raw parcel
We are WARRIORS, not scholars.
sick sentinel
so, like, they do whatever they want and som skips u can do and some u can and eve then u have to know it exists and how to perform it
have to know if its invis or rebirth or wtf
blazing condor
been wiping a bit in raid so i say to the healer "when do you want me to rally so it suites you best?"
"whats rally?"
warm plinth
Eh, most skips they fix either weren't worth it enough to do anyway or players will do it another way. e.g. the hallway skip in HoI
raw parcel
Well after the nerf, that's a fair question xD. What even is rally, now? Granted, I just play in keys. Feels like it should be one of those 'more effective outside a raid' type abilities.
sick sentinel
RSA Spell Announcer
you can set it to send a message either when it starts or ends the buff
or both
sleek current
"whats rally?"
I agree with the healer. Removed it from my bars. Just eww, stinky. 😂
median tulip
Well after the nerf, that's a fair question xD. What even is rally, now? Granted...
Having the old effectiveness in 5 man content would be great
lusty grotto
the nerf doesnt matter, its still a raid defensive
sick sentinel
i sohuld start taking intervene instead
lusty grotto
you still use it and guilds coordinate it so
sick sentinel
intervene better
warm plinth
I don't think you ever used it by itself anyway did you? It was in combination with other things
sleek current
In all seriousness, I use it all the time. When we have 7/8 stacks of bursting, it's the difference between life and death sometimes, sometimes it's just enough to save someone that's going to die other than that I press it when my RL tells me too.
I still hate it though
lusty grotto
not using rally, and/or not knowing what rally is as a healer, is just straight up trolling
sick sentinel
like, rally just doesn't have a good place any more after the nerf
lusty grotto
what
sick sentinel
not in keys at least barelyt does anyting any more
sleek current
It does. It's still 10% extra health that could save the entire raid during a one shot.
lusty grotto
horrible yogi take
vivid orchid
weird take
lusty grotto
absolutely terribly bad take
median tulip
Rallying Cry is still useful even though it's been nerfed.
cinder storm
Bad yogi
sick sentinel
before the nerf it was good, im not saying un-nerf it
im just saying i could miss it now that its not as huge
cerulean tusk
It is still good, what you brewing Yogi?
median tulip
If nothing else it makes Impending Victory better
sleek current
Swap it with Bitter Immunity. 
sick sentinel
shame intervene doesnt reduce dmg any more
at least its literal first node connected to dstance our starter talent
sleek current
When did it reduce damage?
sick sentinel
shadow lands for positive
cuz ppl were using it in high keys to save mages from bullshit
sleek current
As a tier set thing?
sick sentinel
this im positive on
soft flower
it was a conduit thing giving the reduction
sleek current
Oooh
toxic pewter
Yah conduits were cool
sick sentinel
asmon way over bitched about the amount of conduit energy you have and its limited or some crap he got mad about it like 10 times and it was patently false information basically, i enver once ran into issues with it.
sleek current
All I remember is using it on CD in Shadowlands for reprisal
toxic pewter
I thought covenants were cool personally
sick sentinel
i like the boat missions, some times, if they are not mandatory, i like islands and torghast, if i was more a sweat i would like mage tower
i just don't want them to be mandatory or drop some currency or item that im " okay wtf was that thing i just looted?"
sick sentinel
bfa prot warrior was dark times
sick sentinel
no big taunt, manual devestate, thank god we hae itf bolster
sick sentinel
you want to go back to manual devestate and 1 taunt?
lusty grotto
and even then we parsed so incredibly high on uldir's zul
sick sentinel
st taunt
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
sleek current
Vigilance activate - Spam ST Taunt
lusty grotto
it was anything but dark times
sleek current
Those were the days
lusty grotto
literally the opposite of dark times
drifting river
is anyone else having a hard time with adds on Gnarlroot?
I'm getting shafted by them
sleek current
What difficulty?
drifting river
mythic
sleek current
Not tried it yet, I'll let you know Monday
sick sentinel
i for one do not miss single target only taunting and devestate weaving
drifting river
killed it twice now and it's been absolutely slaughter
sleek current
To be honest, I probably won't even experience it. My Co-Tank is a VDH so chance of me pulling the aggro is low. 😂
drifting river
either it's that I got all adds on me and the bleed just shreds me or I'm doing something fundamentally wrong
sick sentinel
i am probablyt the correct amount of stupid to play tank dh
i feel like that is a stupid is required class
u have to be dumb to be good at it
toxic pewter
Haven’t done mythic yet I don’t have a guild
lusty grotto
do you have logs?
cause its probably the bleed
thats kind of about it for adds
just dwarf/caut
bop/cancelaura
same as any bleed in the game
drifting river
do you have logs?
I don't know how I died the first time. I checked the logs and didn't taunt there
second time was adds
lusty grotto
you didnt have spell block up
is how you died the first time
tainted barrage is fully blockable
drifting river
I wasn't supposed to have the boss though
grim pilot
There is a taunt at 48 seconds, maybe that's that?
Or did u get it later on, just before the hit
drifting river
I died at 1:06 though
grim pilot
Then I assume you just over-aggroed other tank
drifting river
mid pull?
grim pilot
Yup
drifting river
like a minute into the fight
lusty grotto
grim pilot
You got almost 0 heals in 6 seconds
could've used def stance
But you should still get more than that healing
Since nothing else u had up
drifting river
could've used def stance
stance dancing is still weird to me but I get that! my WA sometimes screws up
what a relieve. thanks!
lusty grotto
your WA?
sleek current
Think of it as pressing a defensive rather than stance dancing
lusty grotto
oh
limpid estuary
Is there any difference in our rotation with the new tier set?
I’m trying to prioritize doing IP > shieldslam > Thunderclap > IP > Shield Slam, ect. To get as many fervid procs as I can
Is this correct?
lusty grotto
ip should never be above ss
limpid estuary
I don’t mean that as a priority
lusty grotto
well you did say prioritize
limpid estuary
I more mean button pressing order. Ik IP is off the global cd
lusty grotto
it doesnt change much anyway
limpid estuary
Yeah I coulda worded that better
lusty grotto
aside from instantly reapplying rend with tc reset
and only with 4pc
not with 2pc
its a very minimal change
the playstyle remains the same
limpid estuary
Would you prio TC over shield slam to refresh bleeds?
Or very minimal difference between the 2
lusty grotto
outburst might be a little ackward
but i dont think you want to apply tc with it up even if youre going to outburst ss
thats the only case i can think of
limpid estuary
Yeah, figured outburst kinda takes a back seat
Or it would be pretty close so not worth worrying about
limpid estuary
Makes sense. Outburst is kinda hard to min max. I struggle with always using SS and will hit TC accidentally
lusty grotto
and you still prio tc outbursted which shouldnt be a problem with high target count
limpid estuary
I often hit IP right after I shield slam and it procs right before I TC
lusty grotto
careful
you dont want to rage starve yourself by doing something like that
you still want some rage for SB
limpid estuary
Yeah I always get SB up first unless I really need the IP
lusty grotto
theres no unless with SB
limpid estuary
Im just bad at outburst proc usage. Trying to get better
lusty grotto
you need to have it up
limpid estuary
Yeah unless I’m off of boss or something in raid
limpid estuary
Yeah your right
soft plume
fervid bite or w/e is from our tier set?
limpid estuary
Yes
soft plume
and i should spam IP for it?
okay i see, any time i spend rage theres a chance to get a proc
is there a WA to track this
lusty grotto
and i should spam IP for it?
no
never spam IP
spamming IP is bad, dont get rage starved
warm plinth
You can track the proc but your TC button should glow so
It's a % chance to proc, not a fixed x rage spent = proc
limpid estuary
I heard 1 IP will proc it 80-90% of the time. Idk how accurate that is
warm plinth
No one reads the pins 
lusty grotto
🤷
warm plinth
warm plinth
You would just lose the damage you gained if you spammed IP
because you're just starving yourself and it's thanksgiving and no one should starve today
lusty grotto
soft plume
so should i play around the fervid bite at all?
i didnt even realize it was a abuff until just now lul
lusty grotto
no
there's a really minor change i just discussed like 10 lines above
scroll up
thats about it
soft plume
does anyone that uses afenar WA do u have something to insert fervid bite buff into it
soft plume
ty
soft plume
i have 4pc
soft plume
i only press IP when i wwanna rage dump for seeing red stacks i think im doing it right
bleak breach
Playstyle is basically the same, I just use IP slightly more then I used to. I don’t use revenge a lot now, just when I’ve got nothing going on and need a proc. Just try to have a TC before you proc fervid
Once you have 4pc you’ll barely need to rev at all as you get a free tc after fervid
soft plume
doesnt revenge do more dmg than tc
lusty grotto
revenge also doesnt generate rage
bleak breach
^
lusty grotto
which is why its 3rd last in the prio
bleak breach
Was literally halfway through typing that
soft plume
but u spend rage with revenge which leads to huge shield slams
lusty grotto
no
strange lintel
revenge when ip bar is capped and like theres nothing else to do or its free
jagged gust
Well you revenge when there's nothing else to press, easy as that
lusty grotto
you will use it even less now wwith 4pc
because you will have tc resets out of the ass
and with the amount of SS resets we already had...
teal swift
revenge is not raze
Is raze the druid AOE rage spender?
lusty grotto
theres absolutely no space for revenge, its very minimal at best
yes
capstone talent
strange lintel
yeah i dont even know why he mentioned that lol
lusty grotto
they spammed it in s2 cause of tier
teal swift
How do you apply aoe bleeds as pwar
jagged gust
tc
teal swift
My pwar is gonna be dusted off next week
lusty grotto
yeah i dont even know why he mentioned that lol
because raze is an aoe rage spender?
teal swift
Does tc apply deep wounds
lusty grotto
and because bear rerollers that come into prot now, seem to think revenge = raze
chilly brook
No but revenge does
lusty grotto
which is absolutely fucking wrong
soft plume
can i see ur logs sir so i can study
teal swift
Nim what is the priority chart for prot war
And is there a meaningful race choice I can make this patch?
lusty grotto
same as forever
jagged gust
rage spenders, all of them all at once
jagged gust
then revenge when everything else is on cd
teal swift
The priority chart for warrior is <#268491842637660160>
I'm here, and socializing is better than loner FAQ / pin reading
strange lintel
socializing =/ asking questions that are on pins or faq
teal swift
socializing =/ asking questions that are on pins or faq
Don't kink shame me
silk sandal
I saw sense has a weak aura that tracks taunts on a boss for avoiding taunt immunity. I can't see to find it on wago, does anyone know if its a public aura?
this
shut summit
silk sandal
oh perfect! thanks a lot!
and you just uploaded your nymue video so im ready for that too!
gaunt cypress
dayum son
low beacon
🛡️ 👍
normal laurel
giga
latent stone
sleek turret
low beacon
disc doing more dps than some pug tanks
teal swift
What key
lament musk
brh21
teal swift
disc doing more dps than some pug tanks <:keks:936231610850897992>
Some pug dps**
teal swift
Can you send me a log
lament musk
i didnt log myself, so unless a pug did there isnt one
teal swift
Damn
lament musk
teal swift
I wanted to analyze it
So I could improve play, oh well
I wanna do 200k DPS in a key as a tank lmao
lament musk
signet brand helps
teal swift
Is thunderclap > ss in aoe
I'm reading the icy veins guide
And it lists shield slam >>>> tc for single tsrget
And tc > ss for aoe
I, just wanna stop being bad. Lmao
lusty grotto
yes?
jagged gust
It's an incredibly small consideration
You're going to be pressing whichever one you didn't after whichever one you did
lusty tiger
This is a straight up nome question
Esp since the t31 kinda changes the warrior kit power dynamic from t30
silk sandal
232k 😮 were you pulling trash into every boss fight? Or have a really long damage amp on the last boss?
I guess aug contributes haha
bleak breach
Struth
novel temple
Wait, we've been wearing cheat death trinkets?
novel temple
Some pug dps**
Shit, I was doing more root add damage on larodar than dps as a mw
novel temple
Also, wasn't the 2p a DR for 10 seconds?
silk sandal
I wore cheat death for heroic fyrakk last week and I wore it on first 4 mythic this week
Last week gnarlroot I wore it and having when I had 10 stacks of the debuff the ads popping out was 1 shotting me lol
This week I had 2p at the start of mythic and it wasn’t nearly as rough. got 4p on igira and now everything just tickles. It’s great
Still wore 476 cheat death but it didn’t proc so it felt bad lol
teal swift
I need to gear up my prot warrior
Doesn't look like any race is special
Might race change it to a human for rep bonus
Or just stay vulp
teal swift
dwarf kinda pis
Yeah but idk
Then I have to have. A dwarf model
And can't queue for random ass by content lul
teal swift
Is horde na bg winrwte still like 80%
urban portal
just click mercenary mode idk
lusty grotto
merc mode bruh
lusty grotto
they do need to remove it
teal swift
you can cross faction raid
Heroic queued dungeons
urban portal
oh
teal swift
And timewalking
urban portal
i thought you meant heroic heroic
teal swift
I'm giga casual sometimes
urban portal
sure stay vulp
silk sandal
I had to swap to dwarf for sark and now I’m ugly so I feel that 😦
warm plinth
The horse dwarf race
The what now
teal swift
Horde dwarf
urban portal
the fact that dark iron is barely a sidegrade to normal dwarf makes me think a new dwarf is worse
cinder nova
You think it's worth to upgrade my 1080 to a 3060? I was looking at a 4060 too since b they're similar price range.
cinder nova
Yeah but mine is like 6 years old
cinder nova
I mean doesn't it, though? I've had it clocked up by like 5%the entire time
And it's old for a GPU
lusty grotto
older does not mean worse
especially when it comes to nvidia
especially now
3060 or 4060 pale in comparison to a 1080
wait for the 50 series
heavy copium that nvidia does pull the same bs they did with the 40 series
cinder nova
Really? I can barely get 60 fps in valdrakken
cinder nova
It's not exactly batting 1000 on more graphically intense games either. I got an i5 126000K and 32 GB of DDR4
So I'm not sure what's bottlenecking
last jackal
Any build for tyranical?
lusty grotto
incorrect graphic settings
warm plinth
1080 is pretty good; I'd be surprised if a 3060 is significantly better (for WoW anyway)
warm plinth
It'll be better for other games that are more GPU intensive, but WoW is more of a CPU draw than a GPU draw
warm plinth
What is your monitor?
lusty grotto
yes you could be optimizing
cinder nova
22 in Asus, 60 hz
warm plinth
I would be willing to be you have vsync on
lusty grotto
there are plenty of videos around on what your settings should be by content type
warm plinth
bet*
lusty grotto
jesus 60hz
warm plinth
and that's why you only have 60fps in Valdrakken
lusty grotto
holy
i forget we play wow and people dont feel the need to jump from 60hz i guess
unless youre playing in 4k, which you shouldnt cause fuck that
warm plinth
I've never noticed a difference tbh but different eyes
cinder nova
Anything over 60hz feels wildly expensive
lusty grotto
its not that noticeable in wow
warm plinth
120Hz is very affordable now
lusty grotto
but in any other game, its huge
warm plinth
I imagine it's not even that easy to find a 60Hz monitor these days
lusty grotto
144hz is affordable, so is 160hz, so is 240hz
cinder nova
I have six of em
lusty grotto
144hz 1440p monitors are like 300 bucks at the most
lunar plover
Anyone else get absolutely trucked by Deios at the end of Rise? Feels like I’m doing something fundamentally wrong every time we pull him and I’m getting tired of bricking keys that have over 8 minutes left when we get there
cinder nova
Nah healers just being potatoes
Even cycling well and using pots, IV, and cookies I've had healers let me rot to death over 8.4s then act like they had no time to react
lunar plover
I could see if it was pugs but this is coordinated groups with comms and cycling externals/defensives
No other boss this season gives me this problem
cinder nova
What key level
lunar plover
20
cinder nova
I mean, that's a big healer check.
Honestly the breath isn't that bad
It's the keepers
They fucking spam and clap ass
The dot isn't doing you favors either
lunar plover
Just wiped 4 times then swapped myself to arms and a Druid to bear and he yolo’d it in one pull
lusty grotto
that screams skill issue
lusty grotto
logs would help
cinder nova
But I've dumped huge kit on a 19 just to watch myself die slowly as the healer is sitting on their ass
teal swift
Any weak aura experts here
cinder nova
There's a discord for WAs
cinder nova
Honestly Deios does a lot of damage in tiny windows to the tank
And if your healer isn't ready it'll feel like shit
lunar plover
It’s just really frustrating because every other boss in every other dungeon feels like they do nothing
cinder nova
But once you hurtle past P1 you're clean
lunar plover
I’ll see if i have logs tomorrow when i get up and kick them over to you S if that’s cool
sick parcel
Is there a Tank tips and tricks thingy? Like just now learnt to leap the cone on Rise. What other tech is there?
lusty grotto
a lot of it is on sense's reflect/blockable sheet
which is pinned
since basically forever
marsh tiger
Bats in dht are reflectable
lusty grotto
and that also is on the reflect sheet
grim pilot
Wait how do you reflect the bats, charge into shockwave to insta sync and then reflect?
lusty grotto
Wait how do you reflect the bats, charge into shockwave to insta sync and then r...
sure, you sync them
grim pilot
Ive seen andy do some tech on ptr a while ago
lusty grotto
heyo so there is no a tyranical build?
theres no such thing
grim pilot
Just cant remember it
last jackal
bruh thanks man
waxen sorrel
Leaping into the goblins in TTT and spell reflecting them to like half health all at the same time. feels so good man
Jk 90% of the time someonestops them from casting
mint pike
the imps by volocross
grim pilot
Be happy people remember to kick
mint pike
if your guild lets you reflect all the pyros
grim pilot
Its a privilege
waxen sorrel
I mean they never kick or stun when its actually important
only when it stops my fun moment
still crater
Prot has a 7100 haste cap?
grim pilot
@lusty grotto
lusty grotto
youre not gonna get it anyway
still crater
That's fair, but kinda confusing as to why it even exists
lusty grotto
its just a recurring question
cerulean tusk
How did you come to this notion 7100 is the cap? I demand graphs!
grim pilot
I can make that happen
non tier head, haste neck
maybe some passive haste trinkets
cerulean tusk
Engi wrists
cerulean tusk
Was it a ToT?
cerulean tusk
So not this patch recent eh
grim pilot
last week of s2
because it was a 20
and I made dk 2nd last week
lemme pull up a log
cerulean tusk
Ah, was it on my aug? Think I managed to 
into a 20
cerulean tusk
That be me yep
grim pilot
after a couple of bdks told me how to play it
cerulean tusk
Is that Flumm?
cerulean tusk
Heh, rekt
grim pilot
he did die a couple of times...
from a thing called swirlie
swear to god before I saw the logs I knew my fella was doing piss damage
hollow scroll
any1 know what the best crafted slots are? I'm an engineer so can't use bracers
Cloak & boots i assume?
lusty grotto
what does being an engineer have to do with bracer slot?
who cares if youre an engineer
hollow scroll
coz i cant use embelishment on engineer bracers
hollow scroll
ye,
lusty grotto
bro
those are available to everyone
not just engineers
and yes, you dont want BRez bracers
hollow scroll
my damn push group doesn't have many brez's so i use em as a backup
just so !@#$ it and craft bracers instead then?
cerulean tusk
If ya team need em, bring em, guess you can go SF cloak + belt. 3 ilvl is lost on wrist and belt tho
Kinda sadge tho
lusty grotto
all i know is my Brez bracers are staying 447 until i get a spark i dont need
hollow scroll
I'm happy to say stuff the dps and they can take engineer bracers
lusty grotto
which is well after i recraft a ring with alchemical or some shit
hollow scroll
no main stat so rings seem good right
cerulean tusk
That is what, 5 haste?
lusty grotto
its nothing
cerulean tusk
Ya need 5 haste
lusty grotto
and alchemical patch is worth
cerulean tusk
To reach cap
lusty grotto
fuck the cap
lusty grotto
worth it
cerulean tusk
Still rocking good old 447
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
jagged gust
Boots? gross. You put that in your food, bro
lusty grotto
its ok ill have it back soon
jagged gust
Perma neck enchant for RP reasons
cerulean tusk
You want fire shield neck? 
lusty grotto
no
vocal flame
Damn Dorki just called us boring and simple lol
lusty grotto
hes trolling
and even if he isnt hes not wrong
its just ironic cause he likes bear
pallid quiver
wym bear has the single most intensive and engaging rotation of all classes
lusty grotto
dont look too much into it honestly
both he and naowh prefer other classes over warrior
and thats fine
vocal flame
Now bear is boring. I think prot has a lot of different things to use. It’s fun
warm plinth
Bear is more fun than it used to be tbh. I'm not really sure how pwar is boring but that's opinions for ya
warm plinth
Legion bear was moonfire spam and moonglaives
lusty grotto
it is a itty bitty more fun after the rework
vocal flame
I will too once I get it lol
silk kiln
If party wipes several times in a dungeon because bursting is that my fault as a tank
lusty grotto
no
quartz mist
just me or can healers just not heal the tree boss in DHT high keys ? or are they just bad healers
lusty grotto
you need to play defensives, and/or ask for one if wall isnt up
quartz mist
of course but im not the first one dying
silk kiln
Kk literally was the last one alive twice in a 15 EB
lusty grotto
ok richie, what can the healer not heal in tree boss then?
since this is the prot channel i assumed you meant they couldnt heal you
quartz mist
seems like the knock back or people are getting rooted at the same time
lusty grotto
i mean people shouldnt get rooted
lusty grotto
thats their fault if they do get rooted, they are giga bad if they are
grip damage is magic
lusty grotto
you need to play defensives, and/or ask for one if wall isnt up
☝️
quartz mist
so spell block ?
quartz mist
will it work for night breathe at all ? spell block
quartz mist
yeah for sure
lusty grotto
yes the breath is spell blockable, its dot isnt though
but breath doesnt really hurt anyway
warm plinth
you can leap the breath too
lusty grotto
feel free to look at sense's reflect/blockable sheet for more tips there
warm plinth
idk if someone said that already
cerulean tusk
Ya need to leap as you get lifted, same as with the necro pull in the SL dung
cerulean tusk
Oh, anyone know if we can bug open the door in BRH?
I remember it being a thing
No clue what I did tho
(door after 1st boss)
vocal flame
Nim is that spell reflect sheet in the FAQs? That you mentioned.
vocal flame
the pin by Sense
Ty!
lusty grotto
well the sheet has you covered for that too
teal swift
@lament musk aren't you usually simping for arms
What brings you to superior war spex
cerulean tusk
Crit simp for OF only 
lament musk
i play all now
cerulean tusk
I still think yogi is the better prit warr
teal swift
I still think yogi is the better prit warr
I think Yogi is the more determined prot warrior
waxen sorrel
Pugging feels not great.
I feel like healers are acustomed to tanks that can put out way more HPS on themselves and then shit dont go so well.
At a glance am I cocking something up?
Maybe it's just back to DPS x)
cinder nova
Are you using def stance?
waxen sorrel
Mostly yeah I wanna stance dance more and min max but its not going great so mostly sitting in Defendo
cinder nova
Are you pressing your defensives before or after you take damage.
waxen sorrel
If I am expecting dmg I ofc press shield wall
Should use spell block more probably I dont use that enough
strong forum
First step would be avoiding disc priests
Cuz 90% of them are fotm rerollers who have no clue how to heal in dungeons
lusty grotto
yes you should since triple strike is spell blockable
nome
has someone asked about ursine lately?
strong forum
Still bugged
cinder nova
Also looks like you're not pressing LS, but if you don't have 2p/4p from T30 then it's probably not as bad.
lusty grotto
it did okay
cinder nova
But having 7.5% uptime is kinda low.
waxen sorrel
I do have T30 but I just put it back on was just using some ilvl pieces
lusty grotto
strong forum
but its doing shit damage overall
Whilst giving you 2-3% extra str 🙂
waxen sorrel
be my gear
lusty grotto
hmm true
strong forum
And if it wasn't bugged, it would do alot more
lusty grotto
i wonder if i should use pip instead
mortal dagger
i play all now
Sleep maybe?
lusty grotto
until it gets fixed
waxen sorrel
Is it bugged as in. We are working on it or bugged as in its bugged unlucky wont be fixed
pallid quiver
My assumption is the latter
lusty grotto
its been reported
strong forum
It worked on PTR, soooo....
lusty grotto
i got a heroic pip in the vault, so i might try that instead
mirror also bagged but fuck mirror
cinder nova
First step is log your keys
because if you're unsure if you're playing wrong, we can't tell you without it
lusty grotto
yeah your details screenshots dont say much
waxen sorrel
True
bleak breach
4 set will make a difference, but probably more ilvl based thrn survivability
Damage on especially single target will be good.
I guess you get the flat DR too
lusty grotto
yeah that's true, 4set wont help you if you arent spell blocking spell-blockable hits
that's kind of a skill issue
go to sense's blockable/SR list in the pins and see what you missed there
waxen sorrel
What exactly is spell blockable? Beyond just targeted casts
lusty grotto
waxen sorrel
Ah there is a list
bleak breach
Just put spell block into our mastery instead and we’re fixed ez
cinder nova
Not all targetted casts are Splockable.
What is and isn't Splockable, Blockable, Reflectable is all based on spell ID flags
bleak breach
Then place ITF where spell block was
lusty grotto
yup S has the right of it
lol
that'd be kind of OP
but in that case i would place safeguard there instead (or even group SR)
cinder nova
Blizzard has yet to provide an informative in-game means of informing us what does and does not interface with our abilities.
silk kiln
Is blocked % supposed to be as high as last tier
cinder nova
Yeah.
lusty grotto
100%
silk kiln
I’m ass 
cinder nova
Like I said.
lusty grotto
whats not intuitive about it
cinder nova
It's based off spell ID flags.
cinder nova
Isn't Splock labeled in blue?
Lots of frontals are blockable, by the way, they just happen to focus the cone on the active target. They aren't any less an AOE than Bladestorm.
lusty grotto
if its blockable in green it means you can basically just stay on his ass
bleak breach
but in that case i would place safeguard there instead (or even group SR)
Yeah that’s fair
cinder nova
Great advice is to stop overthinking what you think should be intuitively block/splock/reflect.
And just read the spreadsheet.
lusty grotto
well to be fair
physical blocks at the very least make sense
and can be intuitively understood
lusty grotto
cmon we're not in SL or BFA s1 (rocks/shots)
silk kiln
DROGBAR ROCKS
cinder nova
To give them credit, they've been getting better about what you'd expect to be inherently blockable/splockable.
Plus they're letting Splock work on lots of DOTS in the raid.
Which is just 👌
lusty grotto
blockable yes, splockable... ehhh they still got a long way to go
cinder nova
The fact it was dead useless in anything but M Sark was actually a troll
cinder nova
Yeah but you didn't need it on mag
And the stuff it did work on was really whatever damage
lusty grotto
im talking about mag ticks
not the hit itself
if we're talking about hits, it worked on a amalg too
or i guess pseudo tank busters idk
waxen cradle
We're still pretty damn sturdy and, by pretty damn sturdy I mean we laugh off physical damage. There is no way Blizz would let us have our cake and, eat it too with magic damage. I imagine they figure something has to slap us around... so we have magic damage/unblockable damage. Yes of course spell block is there to help where it can and it does, but they are not going to let us shrug off both forms of damage.
lusty grotto
it does the same thing it does to physical but to magical damage
but up to 100% on a crit block
not 60% like regular SB
kindred fiber
so sheilds even matter for spell dmg as a warr
lusty grotto
i mean sure
but shields were already our biggest defensive piece
thats why ilvl > all on shields
bleak breach
I definitely think spellblock into mastery would be a great way to help with our magic mitigation. We have the highest mortality rate of any tank atm by a reasonable margin and magic/small health pool is the main reason
chilly brook
lusty grotto
though honestly its ilvl > all for everything
bleak breach
But kinda would be OP having it all the time too maybe?
chilly brook
so incredibly hard to live in even a 19
lusty grotto
i honestly think the implementation of Spell Block is fine, the problem is what S mentioned... the inconsistency
whether one thing is or isnt
whether dot ticks are or arent
that's the bullshit part
chilly brook
i honestly think the implementation of Spell Block is fine, the problem is what ...
tree boi would be easy if we could actually spell block tbh
bleak breach
Yeah, it should just mitigate all magic damage
chilly brook
but it's useless on crush
waxen cradle
Though I confess I never enjoyed being the man at the top of the totem pole because when your at the top I always felt like you have a giant bullseye on your back, and its only a matter of time until you get knocked off the top.
bleak breach
Sometimes it’s great, but sometimes you don’t need it at all because it does nothing
cinder nova
crush beats cheeks
lusty grotto
with a 1.5 min cd, there's just no excuse to not make everything splockable
chilly brook
crush beats cheeks
its so overtuned
lusty grotto
you wont have it all the time
chilly brook
with a 1.5 min cd, there's just no excuse to not make everything splockable
to not*
lusty grotto
if anything they could make it so it respects crit blocking a bit better
yes sorry
as in cap at 60% instead of those weird 100%s
so that its not completely fucking busted when its up
cinder nova
its so overtuned
does it still blast tanks that have AM that increases armor?
lusty grotto
tree boy?
chilly brook
does it still blast tanks that have AM that increases armor?
it's magic
lusty grotto
yea
chilly brook
so yeah
probably the only tank it doesn't blast is BDK
lol
I like DHT a lot as a dungeon but the first two bosses on tyr are ass
1st one just lives too long and the 2nd is like you gotta have a giga healer
ionic fern
It's just a big "Help healer" check if you play it properly.
chilly brook
I tried 😦
sat D stance and pooled rage before the mechanic
used wall
popped potion
ionic fern
chilly brook
still ended up dying on about the 3rd? maybe 4th? cast
ionic fern
This was mine on a +22. We do not look at the end, i fucked up there myself.😂
chilly brook
what healer?
ionic fern
Druid
chilly brook
I've only had disc for it
and it doesn't feel great
not been particularly impressed with most disc priests since the season started
pallid quiver
^^^
pallid quiver
It's real bad with heals considering how punishing healing can just randomly be
opaque quest
I bet an hpal beaconing you could wrangle it
You dont want beacon on the tanks
You want it on 2 dps exclusively. Always. No exceptions
90% of the time a tank heals themselves anyways. No point in wasting beacon healing
opaque quest
So you wanna beacon a tank then heal a dps that doesnt take dmg? Smart
waxen cradle
On a Tyr crush if your trying to heal that back yourself the safe bet would be too turn around and stick your ass up in the air it would hurt less
ionic fern
Well, like a nice mechanic, it requires both yours, and the healers attention.
I don't mind it too much.
waxen cradle
OH I pay attention to it myself alright... in my head I am thinking "Here it comes, ok I am ready" I react and do what I can to reduce it, and again in my head I am thinking " OMG that shit hurt"
pallid quiver
Of course, if you warn the healer beforehand, it's a 50/50 shot to just get kicked,
so have a macro that says it mid dungeon so they can't kick you :L
ionic fern
Oh, i warn them before the boss.
waxen cradle
My exact warning prior to the boss is something along these lines " healer name" So btw you know this boss has a attack that is going to hurt me yeah ? And I do include my pride in that statement.... Do you know how to heal/ handle the damage ?
chilly brook
but then again it was a simple "do you have active mitigation pressed if so then you take less damage period" mechanic
waxen cradle
Now that being said I am old school so I try to make others aware of things I am not entirely certain they are aware of beforehand
chilly brook
Actually on second thought
BrM is probably hella comfy on that mechanic
massive shield right before it
tons of CDs
waxen sorrel
Random key I joined here Waycrest 15.
Would love some feedback, this is just recorded there is a VOD and logs, its 8 AM here and i have not slept yet so its super auto pilot gameplay so probably not bad to get feedback on actually still did try to think abo8ut spell block.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WyVTLJPKw4jthn89#fight=last
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF56eCpszuM
Wanted to make it a thread so I could check potential feedback when I wake up but it looks like that feature is not enabled here
pallid quiver
whack, an actual vod
waxen sorrel
I mean I got it setup it so it was just to press stream so figured might as well
had to reuse thumbnail from wednesday though
and forgot to fix sound so no game sound
pallid quiver
I'm more used to looking at logs, but if I get time after raid I'll check it out
waxen sorrel
Pog I hope I can find the feedback later though since i cant make it a thread sadge
Okay jesus christ you can hear me breath god damn
I need to fix the audio
so it does not pick that up
Please just mute the VOD
this is awful
cinder nova
Stop holding Demo to start.
waxen sorrel
Good point
cinder nova
Stop holding LS
warm plinth
I'll never stop holding S
cinder nova
Not in public we talked about this
cinder nova
STOP HOLDING AVATAR
pallid quiver
I had a feeling Mwahi would likE this
ionic fern
Late surprise acting, i already went through it.
There you go.
Don't start packs with Shield Charge, start them with Charge.
Prioritise Shield SLam->Thunder clap, not Shield Slam->Revenge
Don't needlessly spam taunt.
Use Demoralizing Shout, Avatar, Shield Charge, Ravager on CD.
Look at the "Blockable/Reflectable sheet" in the pins to optimize Reflect usage, especially in WM.
Don't needlesly be in Defensive Stance. You are taking no damage in that WM.
Use Rallying Cry to help your group out in spicy situations.
In ST, use Execute instead of Revenge when enemy is below 20% hp.
Don't turn your back on the enemies, you died to it .
Well, "skimped" through it.
ionic fern
I had a feeling Mwahi would likE this
I like VoD's .
Live stream -> VoD -> Logs ->->->->->"Help me, i take damage in a dungeon".
waxen sorrel
I am staying ine defendo atm because in reference to a convo earlier I was dying and dont feel confident about swapping stances
waxen sorrel
Pugging feels not great.
I feel like healers are acustomed to tanks that can put...
this here
ionic fern
and yet you never watch my stream
Live stream as in "Stream to me on Discord and i will tell you what to do".
warm plinth
semantics
cinder nova
Your HPS is from Ignore Pain, IV, and Indomitable.
waxen sorrel
Use Rallying Cry to help your group out in spicy situations.
Feel like I do that pretty well actually
cinder nova
It's still gonna shake out to you giving yourself about 3/4ths of your overall healing intake.
waxen sorrel
Look at the "Blockable/Reflectable sheet" in the pins to optimize Reflect usage, especially in WM.
Defo gonna do this
warm plinth
I resent no one responding to that gif because it was a fucking top tier joke. I'm going where people appreciate me, like Fel Hammer
waxen sorrel
I had to press play on gif therefor
I did not see it
Gifs that autoplay the true way
warm plinth
I don't know why it didn't embed properly
cinder nova
If you use Def stance as a crutch, you're never gonna learn how to not be in it.
cinder nova
You can dance for a lot of mechanics, yeah. I tend to reserve it for big pulls as I wrangle, tank busters, high bursting stacks (or anticipation thereof), or when I'm handling a big pack and I'm totally out of coolies.
pallid quiver
stance dancing is the real skill expression
waxen sorrel
I realize 5% dmg and 3% crit is not nothing but yeah defo a higher min max thing to do and a skill expression like you say
warm plinth
waxen sorrel
the oppertunity cost just feels high with my expriences today
pallid quiver
no ghash this isn't wotlk
warm plinth
😦
pallid quiver
wow is only allowed one reference to something ever
otherwise trade chat will go rabid and start rioting
cinder nova
I think the biggest issue you're gonna face is that you're just not pressing your big CDs offensively or defensively.
Holding like it's mooning Gamestop stock.
Also press IV
There's a lot of times I see you not capped for a while and you can just tap it to top off.
waxen sorrel
@ionic fern
Don't turn your back on the enemies, you died to it .
If you had sound on you can hear that I did indeed realize that
I was not amused with myself
What is it IV stands for?
cinder nova
Impending Victory
You're holding it for an eternity during this Goliath encounter while you're sub 80%
lusty grotto
https://gyazo.com/0b74ec6de2b7641891046873f7de4b8a
sir?
cinder nova
IV is defenitely one of those "smoke if you got em" abilities. It's a huge chunk of free HP every 30s or so. It's just not as sexy as druid regen because it's front-loaded and on a moderate CD.
Just don't get in the habit of sending it when you have barely any HP missing, because then that's actually useless.
waxen sorrel
Righto
lusty grotto
waxen sorrel
Anything I do well?
cinder nova
This is negative criticism household, son.
waxen sorrel
Ah I see just like my mother
cinder nova
But in reality, read between the lines. Anything we're not pointing out means you're doing at least acceptable.
chilly brook
wait, you don't get melee'd during crush do you?
cinder nova
I will say like... ambiently, it's passible, but you are also having rotational abilities being mixed up. I see you have SS lots of times and not sending in favor of pressing TC in like... 1-3 targets.
waxen sorrel
I thought TC was better as soon as there was two targets if both are up
cinder nova
Who told you that?
No, generally, you're almost always sending SS even in cleave unless it's a pretty big stack.
bleak breach
SS hits for way more
waxen sorrel
During Avatar, Thunder Clap deals more damage than Shield Slam against 2 or more targets, so it is your highest-priority skill from a damage perspective.
cinder nova
SS reduces CD on SW and LS with T30 2p, gives more rage, etc.
chilly brook
SS=more rage
waxen sorrel
I did not remember the avater part
chilly brook
which equals more damage
bleak breach
TC would only be priority on like 4-5 maybe?
chilly brook
wowhead guide kinda bad
bleak breach
But even still SS generates more rage
chilly brook
Llarold nice guy, but not a warrior main
cinder nova
Plus with T31 2p defo doesn't.
waxen sorrel
Still on t30 but yea
cinder nova
A shedload of value is frontloaded into SS, so it's a big button to press almost every day of the week.
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576>
Don't turn your back on the enemies, you died to it .
If...
At work so diddn't listen with sound. Just wrote down what i noticed.
waxen sorrel
Good then you didnt hear me breathing
cinder nova
You'd be shocked how many people strugglebus maintaining ShB
waxen sorrel
Thanks!
Could be better log says like 81% uptime and I think you can pretty much perma have shield block right?
pallid quiver
Also, it'd be 100% uptime in combat
waxen sorrel
So if I have 87% migigated melee hits
pallid quiver
less back showing, probably
waxen sorrel
How do I see specificly blocked
hits
oh
can just hover over
75% blocked hits
meh could defo be better still then
Looks like i had oen blocked critical in the run
pog
I will take the feedback and work on it and post some more log and vod in a few days and see whats what.
Thanks guys
its now 9 AM
almost
I should sleep
ionic fern
Good night.
drifting river
I sometimes find myself being rage starved and on the edge of dying. I could see that partially being due to me being BDK last tier and our healers not being used to heal me but I fear that I'm doing something fundamentally wrong. I asked here about 9 hours ago cause I was desperate and I got pointers.
These were my logs from yesterday:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HqfgnhrC4dk8Bx2D#fight=49&type=damage-done
I understand my gameplay has flaws and I'm raidleading at the same time but I could use a few more tips.
Thank you 🙂