This was my 131k overall dps
#protection
chilly brook
I could 2pc but don’t raid until Sunday so waiting to see what drops
tired crystal
Yeah, took my hero gaunts straight to cata after the pull lmao
vocal flame
I could 2pc but don’t raid until Sunday so waiting to see what drops
How could you 2pc already? You had one drop?
chilly brook
I just need one drop that isn’t gloves and I could have 4p
chilly brook
How could you 2pc already? You had one drop?
1catalyst charge, gloves from vault, I have my KSM token as well
tired crystal
Im 3pc atm, just waiting on one more, but no raid until tmorrow
chilly brook
So I could have 3 pieces of tier rn
But I’m not using my resources for free tier rn
vocal flame
1catalyst charge, gloves from vault, I have my KSM token as well
oooo ok. Yeah my vault was terrible.
chilly brook
I looted a normal fyrakk weppy last week
So I’m kinda set until heroic fyrakk weppy
visual ravine
Hello guys!! i´m wondering about prot bis gear/stat priority to know what pieces look for in dungeon/raid or upgrades
visual ravine
love you
chilly brook
Equip ilvl
Stats don’t matter
If items are same ilvl then you go for haste>crit=vers>mastery
visual ravine
any % cap?
chilly brook
Not that you’re hitting anytime soon
tired crystal
Not that you’re hitting anytime soon
opaque quest
I looted a normal fyrakk weppy last week
Same. But im unholy so it sits in my bank
opaque quest
Breath might be viable on volcoross but thats it
I just grabbed it because 2 dropped and we only had 1 person rolling on it
chilly brook
Fuck volcoros as a tank btw
opaque quest
Ye
chilly brook
Me no like that boss
opaque quest
I gave up last week when tanks kept getting oneshot
chilly brook
I don’t think it’s actually that bad
opaque quest
Ye but randoms are
chilly brook
But I dislike it a lot
Oh hey you have 1 stack die now
I’m excited to DPS this week though
All the fights look like bangers as dps
sick sentinel
lost the second roll on hearthstone
tired crystal
I gave up last week when tanks kept getting oneshot
Prot warr handle it lovely
silent vessel
it feels okayish but i can tell you 4pcs feels really good
tired crystal
Did it first pull
sick sentinel
round 3
pallid quiver
All the fights look like bangers as dps
there's also a lot more you can contribute to a raid clearing as DPS
though that my be from my perspective of trying to pug and seeing so many DPS actively throw
Do you know how many DPS have said to me, in 100% seriousness, that it's not possible to not main target bear in council?
and they also always yell at me when I take 20% HP bear to narnia while the other two are at 65%+
pallid quiver
Correct
tired crystal
he gets cleaved the most
Also same here
pallid quiver
the pug brainrot is mega real, tho
uneven mason
and they also always yell at me when I take 20% HP bear to narnia while the othe...
But the deer moves!
pallid quiver
I don't think there's a single particularly difficult fight in this raid tier.
people just can't fucking handle doing anything
pallid quiver
Like legit what melee doesn't have a mobility ability anymore
I'd be at least somewhat fake sympathetic if they were DKs
uneven mason
Deaths advanced is a short cd
pallid quiver
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/718207589988565082.webp?size=48&name=KEKW&qual...
I think locks should have summon stone removed because it would filter at least half the problem players out.
They physically would not be able to reach the raid.
pallid quiver
Deaths advanced is a short cd
hence fake sympathy
Two of the complaints were from Warriors, and one was a Rogue, tho
so uh
uneven mason
My favorite was watching people scatter from the charge path then getting blamed for a wipe
pallid quiver
I was really not sympathetic
pallid quiver
i don't understand how so many groups get stuck on smolderon
plucky idol
how much vers should we aim for?
pallid quiver
and then they say it's just a gear issue, nothing that can be done
pallid quiver
how much vers should we aim for?
a billion
plucky idol
got it
pallid quiver
There's no breakpoints of note whatsoever in regards to stats
you just want stats in general
pallid quiver
Defensively, they're also all negligibly different in impact, so they're effectively the same
Yeah, haste is the best stat, with crit and vers at a tie
mastery's the least valuable, but it's not bad
waxen frigate
pallid quiver
The easiest thing to do is just sim
plucky idol
ahh ok thank you for the info
lusty tiger
go play the lotto
uneven mason
Obviously you failed to win everything
opaque quest
My roomie always has luck like this. Its beyond science
opaque quest
I just have him roll on stuff i need. Works out usually
sick sentinel
lost all 3 rolls for hearthstone
split sable
Can anyone explain to me why LFR went to group loot?? I tanked wing 1 last night and the drops were good, but I rolled a 1,7 and 11….
uneven mason
It's no different than personal loot you can just see the rolls now
And people can opt out of rolling
Personal loot that wasn't an option
split sable
Yeah but one person can technically win multiple pieces in group loot, correct?
winged slate
Correct
uneven mason
I suppose, the end result is approximately the same number of items
split sable
Right, so again, instead of allowing one tank to win two items on one roll, you disperse one item to each in personal loot… I dunno. I’m sure there’s an explanation that makes sense, I’m just salty because out of two tanks and three rolls I got nothing…
lol
split sable
I did ok on normal, got the axe from Fry and a tier piece, so I’m grateful…
uneven mason
I just know it's waiting for the heroic legendary and my 100 will come through
split sable
Hahahahaha I hope so!!
uneven mason
Liquid better hurry up, prog is tonight
desert blaze
Hello Everyone
quick question, do i focus on crafting 2 shadowpatch gear or can I get away with just one and craft something else to replace weaker gear?
opaque quest
You can craft w/e. It doesnt matter. Most of us just craft embellishments first cause we wont replace them
light dune
superbloom kills my spirit and my computer
eager star
can grievous leap in DHT be intervened?
uneven mason
superbloom kills my spirit and my computer
Nvidia card?
sacred jetty
Has anyone tanked a high AD yet? I'm tempted to tank but the buff has me spooked a little
summer pelican
I keep dying on last boss in murozonds rise, breath+melee one shots
torn gulch
breath is rangeable with leap
winged slate
AD was free when I ran it on 16
sick sentinel
wcm is pretty free too
winged slate
Rezan bleed and the final boss were worse, otherwise it was the same
sick sentinel
witches middle boss makes you move can fuck casters
thats about only deadly thing in there
tender phoenix
is it best to speed run 4set? or keep 2pc2pc for a bit?
sick sentinel
no blood surge feels a bit cursed
grand veldt
I can't relate
I think blood surge is over rated
Idc about 1.5k more rage over 30 minutes
I prefer more damage to my things, I'm already at best gcd locked
And it's not like I'll be able to spam revenge and do more dps
Especially on tyran
I like 2pc 2pc for single target damage, my overall damage without an Aug has been 80 to 90k + on non spell reflect heavy dungeons
As for AD
Play with a priest
Have them mind control the augors in each pack and let the NPCs kill it
Then you never deal with fiery enchant ever
Last pack before the transfusion boss you MC the jugg instead bc there's 2 augors
cinder pasture
Ez
strong forum
Bis
silver narwhal
How big a difference will the 4p make?
mellow bridge
80-90k overall? crazy
silver narwhal
Really? Wow.
chilly brook
80-90k overall? crazy
that's kinda been standard dam
I'm pretty washed and doing over 80k in single target
mellow bridge
(im being sarcastic)
chilly brook
unkempt pasture
What should be the first thing i need to craft
strong forum
How does T31 2pc rage consumption work?
In short the way the tierset is written is incorrect.
It has a hardcoded chance based on which Spender you use.
- Ignore Pain has a ~90% chance to proc tierset
- Revenge, Execute and Shieldblock have a ~15% chance to proc tierset
- Whirlwind and Slam cannot proc tierset
It's best to be aware of this fact when spending rage and when to expect a proc.
pale pond
What is the best 2 embellishments for a prot warrior to have currently?
strong forum
shadowflame
pale pond
x2?
strong forum
yes
pale pond
Ok, ive got it on my shield atm not sure where to put it for 2nd slot
strong forum
ideally cloak/bracers
pale pond
Well that was easy lol
Thank you
blazing condor
also speaking of larodar should we just max leap it
young wasp
why am i getting hit twice by larodar charge
You get hit by initial charge and then the aoe
blazing condor
or run then leap back
blazing condor
You get hit by initial charge and then the aoe
yeah that makes sense
young wasp
I'd usually jump out and charge back with the boss being ran back
It's probably safer to walk out and then jump back, kinda just depends on if your healers are in range or not
blazing condor
id imagine you take more damage if you short the charge than if you run further through lava
but i mean i could just start running earlier
sick sentinel
what lvl keys add which tier of affixes lvl 2 and 3 tiers
warm plinth
7 and 14
sick sentinel
im doin 11 12 atm for basically everything
blazing condor
aye
chrome falcon
it was my top damage on one of our normal blasts
blazing condor
i think shield slam should be ur top dmg tbh
cinder pasture
what dis from
Larodar in raid
blazing condor
pips kinda meh trinket?
strong forum
As good as it sims
pallid quiver
also speaking of larodar should we just max leap it
Leap 100% saves more damage by a long shot
Don't be one of the pug tanks i yell about
teal swift
your pfp makes me happy
jagged pier
Do it anyway and call him bad
winged slate
Teach him that you can press taunt while you have aggro to make sure you don't lose it
Don't make yourself worse
pallid quiver
Do it anyway and call him bad
I got kicked for that from one Larodar tank today.
Bullet dodged
jagged pier
F
winged slate
To be fair, that bear was uh
pallid quiver
Even worse was that they were mad I did it on pull
winged slate
He was a fucking specimen
winged slate
What is a sphere
jagged pier
I domt know what tha means
winged slate
in this context
jagged pier
For larodar?
pallid quiver
Yes
blazing condor
pallid quiver
Specifically, how to deal eith charge
winged slate
I'm gonna start saying shit like that
jagged pier
No clue, tank at edge to minimize space taken up
winged slate
Just make up a phrase and act like it's standard
jagged pier
Ez
pallid quiver
He had an entire paragraph about how to deal eith laro charge
And i wa sjust like
Boss
I just run away
winged slate
Yeah warriors are going to want to stand at least counter-adjacent to most bosses, preferably on the port side. Two to three spheres is good. If you're unsure, consider recombinating.
jagged pier
Well he was probably stand 2 spheres next to the boss
blazing condor
unfortunely i am EU boy
balmy narwhal
Is it it me or does the tree boss from DHT hurts like hell even through shield wall lol
Lots of magic damage that boss
raw parcel
Just one shadowflame embellishment isn't great, right?
Or is it great and just double great with two? 😄
raw parcel
Got it, thanks, shadowflame it is
sick sentinel
tried atal dazar, didnt get the hammer
figure that ones easy to obtain as cleaver and overall better
blazing condor
council trinket
pallid quiver
Well he was probably stand 2 spheres next to the boss
This almost sent me while I'm at work
pallid quiver
council trinket
You might've been able to get more, even, tbh
But I'd take 400k for a trink pretty easy
jagged gust
Someone bought a LFR tier piece for 300k week 1, you can get away with a lot if you pug enough
blazing condor
many whispered but no one really offered
so i took that
thats a lot of money for me
pallid quiver
I sold rashok like two weeks before end of season for 500k
I've been riding that since
sick sentinel
war flash backs
pallid quiver
Literally most money I've ever had
blazing condor
his is 2/6 and yours is 1/6 ???
pallid quiver
we cant jump the beams right
You can leap over them, but that's only really useful when going to Africa
lusty grotto
ya im not upgrading until max a 2 hander because of guild
his is champ level though
lusty grotto
2/8
lusty grotto
get fucked
pallid quiver
Dammit
pallid quiver
Well, 1/4 is still bigger than 1/6
blazing condor
^
pallid quiver
If I go down, I'm taking you with me
lusty grotto
mild sorrel
my mythic plus loot has been pretty good so far
bleak breach
What enchants do you guys mostly run? I know Sophic/wafting devotion sim higher, but I heard in real situations shadowflame performs better?
strong forum
Bit low on crit but yeah looking good
lusty grotto
eww servant splitter
strong forum
Wafting is bis
blazing condor
i too have a splitter
strong forum
In aoe and ST
blazing condor
all ive gotten so far
strong forum
I got atal weppy at 483
blazing condor
pog
bleak breach
Damn
lusty grotto
i just gotta upgrade it to 483
main locust
Wafting is bis
Purely for dmg or defensivly aswell?
bleak breach
Is 483 max hero or myth rank?
strong forum
Hero
median tulip
489 is max myth iirc
I have just gotten the normal Fyrakk weapon, probably going to put Sophic on it
bleak breach
Ahh damn, I just went off wowhead which told me shadowflame the dogs
strong forum
Purely for dmg or defensivly aswell?
I do what sim tells me. And the diff between 700 mainstat and 1300 haste on a random proc has little effect on survival
warm plinth
my mythic plus loot has been pretty good so far
Huge gamer
median tulip
The biggest difference between Sophic and Wafting is that Wafting costs three times as much gold
warm plinth
I don't remember it being noticeably more expensive when i bought them on my dh the other day
main locust
I do what sim tells me. And the diff between 700 mainstat and 1300 haste on a ra...
Guess it's worth
warm plinth
Nah obvious photoshop. Nome doesn't know what he's talking about
bleak breach
In Nome we trust
Doing norm tonight so can hopefully get Gholak
Maybe even ninja a signet brand or augury form the dps
floral peak
what crafted gear do we want as prot war?
main locust
Wrist/Cloak with Shadowflame
floral peak
Q: What Embellishments should i run in 10.2?
A:
2x Shadowflame on Cloak and Bracers will be your go-to choice of embellishments again
sorry just found it
sick sentinel
meaning more stats meaning more dps/survival = better
for me, i might not even get 489 gear
see what happens
teal swift
Just buy a wow token
Blizzard fucked market
I need to buy 10
But it's value is bad af
teal swift
Need gold to last me until feb
sick sentinel
cuz i have to do a mythic raid or run 18 + and pray to jebus that i get bis in vault
teal swift
Christmas
sick sentinel
in order to get 489
teal swift
Still buying instead of farming though lol
Have you tried to farm gold this xpac
Picking flowers is shit
bleak breach
Na I’m lazy
teal swift
Bring back xinathid
bleak breach
Easiest farm is praying you get a heroic boe early
If it’s a helm with a socket you’re set for the rest of the xpac
sick sentinel
so, sure, i'll craft the cloak and wrists, but then even then, i basically have to spam 18's all day to get 3 vautl slots 489 posible loot
it will lead to rage and burn out from me
median tulip
Just push 20s. Save yourself some crests.
sick sentinel
what about the drake and wymr ones then
i thought you get screwed if you spend aspects to make wyrms to make drakes
median tulip
If I can do 18s at barely 455, I'll easily be able to run 20s without sweating once I reach 475+
sick sentinel
see what happens, my goal is to do at least 2 15's on time go from there
sick sentinel
gotta do other irl stuff too
pallid quiver
ain't no way that's single target
It's secretly fury
chilly brook
It's secretly fury
lusty grotto
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6wQ5JFQZSTSAMGAsWJFfam
3 mins for st
not 5
also you have all buffs?
bleak breach
Struth
bleak breach
3 mins for st
It’s just a base 5min single target sim
That’s all I use as I mostly raid anyway
warm plinth
I mean realistically I doubt the difference is that big
lament zealot
Sorry if this is a common question or pinned. What are the embellishments we're after now
lusty grotto
lament zealot
Thx. That's disappointing. The shield embellishment seemed neat.
lusty grotto
feel free to run what you want, remember we dont pay your sub
but the shield embelish hasnt been good since DF release (armor spikes), and if you mean the helm one, its not good
bleak breach
Yeah I can’t see the sims making a dramatic distance from 3min-5min. If anything 5min would just be slightly lower
Aoe 1.5min I’m guessing is for big pats of adds? If you had an aoe boss fight I’d assume you sim 3 or 5 anyway
lusty grotto
avatar windows are 45s on average
thats 1.5 mins for 2 avatar windows
3 mins for 4
trinkets are mostly
1.5 mins or 3 min cds
3 min ST sims are just the best way to maximize offensive usage
by eliminating variables
at 5 mins youre cutting an avatar window in half
warm plinth
Sure but the point of sims isn't really to see what damage you should do; it's to see what item is better. And going from 3 min sim to 5 min isn't going to change that answer
burnt ermine
yo guys whats the t31 off piece for tanks?
warm plinth
Whichever one doesn't have haste
lusty grotto
im not responding to you ghash
youre ackchuallying
and yes it'll change the answer cause of trinket cds
warm plinth
Uh okay. That's of course your prerogative 🤷 doesn't make a difference to me if you respond or not.
lusty grotto
im runnnig a key
i said im addressing what sokraxx is saying
but you are in fact ackchuallying
trim condor
hey guys
what can cause to reset third boss in WM? and what reset range have second one? Had fires spawning almost outside of stairs and when there was fire inside arena, dpsers struggled to clear roots, so it was clunky for clearing stacks
warm plinth
Which boss is 1st 2nd or 3rd is variable. I assume by context third boss means the tree boss but idk who you do 2nd
lusty grotto
you shouldn't be looking for fires that far out lmao
you're a warrior
you can tank up to 40-50 stacks easily in tyrannical
warm plinth
Tree boss resets if he leaves the circle I believe. So you have a quite small arena to fight him in
warm plinth
And assuming you mean Raal for the other, I don't think it's even possible to reset him. He just spams his aoe until you die even if you're out of the room
trim condor
third boss I mean that who spits slimes and zombies :D, we had reset at 20% hp when he spawned slime adds
lusty grotto
why would mean pig and mention spikes/roots though
trim condor
you can tank up to 40-50 stacks easily in tyrannical
yeah, but isnt kinda dangerous for healer to clear at 40-50 stacks? more stacks, longer aoe cast
trim condor
I mentioned this one and another one
warm plinth
third boss I mean that who spits slimes and zombies :D, we had reset at 20% hp w...
Hmm. Hard to say. Maybe someone was in a weird spot and the add spawn bugged out?
I've seen it reset if a person gets locked out as well
trim condor
Hmm. Hard to say. Maybe someone was in a weird spot and the add spawn bugged ...
hunter was standing almost in hallways, maybe that can cause it?
lusty grotto
standing outside of the room for ooze baits does it
warm plinth
Yeah that would do it
trim condor
oof, I feel like half of the bosses can be wiped by dpsers this season
warm plinth
But yeah basically for tree boss, you don't reset him until a certain key level where you can't survive the stacks. And then when you do need to reset him (at least in bfa), you'd reset him somewhere between 15-20 stacks
trim condor
I was 17 today just to try and 35 stacks healer couldnt handdle
do you predict somehow if you can tank it without resetting?
warm plinth
and you wanna reset immediately after a spike is down
Yeah this is a good callout. I forgot this part
Experience. A monk friend of mine took like 70some stacks in a 17
Gauge how much it's doing when you get around 15 stacks and how much health the boss has and make a decision
warm plinth
lusty grotto
so we did 60 and was chill
warm plinth
Where's nelth's fury when you need it
lusty grotto
yeah i immediately missed the crit blocks
trim bay
If you are going to clear around 30 stacks is good. You should be sweet with holding 60 plus stacks boss should be dead.
frozen rose
for fyraak, the two big adds that spawn....their pulsing aoe damages the frienldy adds raid has to heal ya? or no
lusty grotto
yes
trim condor
If you are going to clear around 30 stacks is good. You should be sweet with hol...
I pug unfornatelly and some returning players cant do single target rotation much unfornatelly. I had in that 17 better dmg on that boss than 1 hunter :(. Tried to not reset, but got deleted at higher count of stacks. Next pull, I was resseting 30-35 and healer couldnt heal that. 20 was safe spot it seemed
trim condor
he died to 35 stack aoe, my block will not help him
lusty grotto
no
that was the thought in bfa, but it was incorrect
it didnt buff it then either
trim condor
then I dont understand why 35 stacks, he died, but 20 was ok. Maybe just managed cds better
lusty grotto
proibably
trim condor
thats good to know, because then stacks are for me only and I dont need to stress about higher count for group
ashen coral
Hello, I know that ilvl is the top 1 priority (except for trinket and to get the two shadowflames embellish)
I also know that then the priority is haste > versability >= crit > mastery
But there is also the diminishing return after 30%
So my question is, after what number we should start to invest in the second priority ? And after what number a stat is not considered as not enough (like I guess that 1% crit is not good even if I had 50% haste and 20% vers) ?
oblique garnet
Crit is one of the best stats
lusty grotto
Hello, I know that ilvl is the top 1 priority (except for trinket and to get the...
that prio is incorrect
ilvl > haste > crit = versa > mastery
also see my name
you shouldnt look at numbers at this point
we're all still gearing
therefore ILVL > ALL
the stats dont matter
@warm plinth as ghash has on his nickname
oblique garnet
You're the best stat
Im a fraud im a paladin now
warm plinth
I forgive you
ashen coral
Okay for the prio, crit was a bad exemple as they are equally valued, but still, if they are "equals", what makes full versa less viable that half vers half crit ? When do we know that it is correctly balanced ?
toxic pewter
Lol
warm plinth
We don't know that because what stats are worth varies based on your gear, which is why we sim. Stat priorities are a rough outline that is meant to give you an idea of what you're after.
pallid quiver
Im a fraud im a paladin now
I don't; I'm gonna have to ask for your badge
pallid quiver
Okay for the prio, crit was a bad exemple as they are equally valued, but still,...
A shit ton of math, which the sims do for you
As you get more of a stat, even before diminahing returns, it becomes harder to get value from it
Going from 50 to 60 rating is a 20% increase, while going from 1 to 2 rating is a 100% increase
warm plinth
Not to mention vers is the most expensive stat by far, especially for the mitigation portion.
oblique garnet
I don't; I'm gonna have to ask for your badge
ashen coral
I ask that because although we can sim when we get a new equipment to see what is best if it is same ilvl, but un the case of craft or even enchant/gems, it is not a choice between two stats but way more so it’s more difficult to get a’ accurate answer
warm plinth
I ask that because although we can sim when we get a new equipment to see what i...
You can gear compare with various stat options to get an accurate answer
ashen coral
Going from 50 to 60 rating is a 20% increase, while going from 1 to 2 rating is ...
Oh indeed i didn’t think of that
pallid quiver
Horrifying, Late's soul has been consumed by the demons
warm plinth
Horrifying, Late's soul has been consumed by the demons
Technically it was consumed by the Light
pallid quiver
I know what I said
ashen coral
You can gear compare with various stat options to get an accurate answer
So we should enchant/put gems/craft later when we have a more accurate view of what stats we will have in the future ?
pallid quiver
I'm on to the "Light" and its bullhockey
oblique garnet
Horrifying, Late's soul has been consumed by the demons
Im just raid fotm
Its sad because warrior would have been insane this tier too
pallid quiver
So we should enchant/put gems/craft later when we have a more accurate view of w...
The amount of rating you get from enchants and gems is generally minor enough that it's not even worth swapping over for most of the time
warm plinth
So we should enchant/put gems/craft later when we have a more accurate view of w...
No because in the end, you're being very min/max by caring about specific stats over just having more stats.
errant oriole
why is prot sooo looked down upon this tier again >_>
pallid quiver
Its sad because warrior would have been insane this tier too
My and my condolences. Is Pala being considered meta for raid, anyhow? I have not kept up with that whole discussion in the least
warm plinth
You're way overthinking the gearing process
warm plinth
why is prot sooo looked down upon this tier again >_>
Because if we aren't meta, we're obviously trash.
It's always how community perception for prot war goes for some reason
pallid quiver
why is prot sooo looked down upon this tier again >_>
I get told either I'm carried by a secret broke ass top toer or garbanzo.
It depends on whether the DPS wipe us or not
warm plinth
Vdh is like the 2nd hardest tank to play right now
oblique garnet
My and my condolences. Is Pala being considered meta for raid, anyhow? I have no...
Yeah
pallid quiver
More like feels like ass
errant oriole
wait VDH is hard?
pallid quiver
Everything feels clunky as shit on that class
warm plinth
Relative to prot war it is
ashen coral
You're way overthinking the gearing process
For gear I loot I think less about that but as enchant are choiced i find it more difficult (and it costs gold)
pallid quiver
I've got all this mobility and it feels like I'm stuck in mud
strong forum
Vdh is hard in terms of how to manage your defensives properly
Cuz you can't just afk braindead send stuff
errant oriole
well true
warm plinth
Yeah it's quite easy to just fall over dead on vdh because they don't have just a single button to press to survive
strong forum
That's the difference
warm plinth
It's a combination of things
Like we press shield block and we're fine 99% of the time
errant oriole
not every tank has fun bashing faces in with a shield 😄
strong forum
It's easy to get by on vdh cuz they're just strong rn, but the higher you go the more you gotta actually juggle your defensives
strong forum
Whereas that part doesn't really change on a warrior
pallid quiver
I like the idea of its playstyle, but its animations and sound effects just feel so bulky
warm plinth
Took an 870k melee yesterday from a 15 throne 2nd boss because I fucked up my defensives
errant oriole
OH btw sooooooooo this is going to sound... funny but I was having issues on 16s before I got my 2 set and now that I got my 2 set 16s feel easy now? is that weird?
warm plinth
Did you get 2pc this week and they were giving you issues last week?
Because fort is always harder for tanks
strong forum
Tyr vs fort ye
errant oriole
oh it could be that too I got it this week yes
strong forum
But new 2pc also makes you ~8% tankier
pallid quiver
OH btw sooooooooo this is going to sound... funny but I was having issues on 16s...
technically it should be easier too because you now have nigh-perma 10% DR, but that probably isn't the thing
ashen coral
I have finally got my 4p today and it feels like i have infinite ignore pain
median tulip
Took an 870k melee yesterday from a 15 throne 2nd boss because I fucked up my de...
Eh, that'll buff out
errant leaf
You guys play disrupting shout often ? I didnt remember we had this
pallid quiver
Never
errant leaf
Been playing it lately feels goodge
pallid quiver
Aoe interrupts are so rare to be useful and it competes with better points
errant leaf
In like eb tott
ashen coral
Disrupting shout is the fear ? I play it as an aoe kick
errant leaf
Aoe kick
toxic pewter
Disrupting shout pretty good in tott and everbloom
pallid quiver
Disrupting shout is the fear ? I play it as an aoe kick
No, it turns aoe taunt into an aoe kick
median tulip
Disrupting shout is the fear ? I play it as an aoe kick
No, it's the AoE interrupt on Challenging Shout.
toxic pewter
Disrupting shout is the fear ? I play it as an aoe kick
You’re thinking of intimidating shout
median tulip
It's useful in some circumstances, but the long long cooldown is a bitch
errant leaf
Ye true
warm plinth
Kek
median tulip
Dathea adds was where I first used it. I also took it last season for Vortex Pinnacle, specifically for that big pull after the second dragon with all the AoE damage casters
median tulip
It's one of those talents where you take it for a specific reason or not at all
errant leaf
Yep
median tulip
IDK, I think Fyrakk is a decent Villain. Some proper "I don't give a fuck about my minions" going on:
oblique garnet
Oh god the smolderon voice lines 
tidal forge
What embellishments are running for both m+ and raid? Shadowflame + whrist/belt/helm/legs?
errant oriole
im curious anyone else here a panda warrior? 😛
soft plume
if i make shadfowlamebatchptch bracers what stats do i want on them
bleak breach
Either haste vers or haste crit
waxen orbit
modern gazelle
what are the differences on mythic gnarl and igira?
anyone able to give me a quick rundown for tank perspective?
soft plume
literally nothing changes
dont be in two soaks in a row on igira thats it
wait can u not put shadowflame patch on bracers
toxic pewter
wait can u not put shadowflame patch on bracers
You can
soft plume
which bracers is it
toxic pewter
Primal molten bracer
soft plume
primal molten vambraces
toxic pewter
Yeah I’m away from my pc right now whichever the plate bracers are
urban portal
apb wanna do a key
toxic pewter
apb wanna do a key
Can’t away from pc
regal elm
+21 WM timed, 3 piece still ):
plucky idol
where can i get that bursting weak aura?
mossy elk
Any good WA recommendations for Fervid Bite procs?
austere lava
https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-25031041
Gratz, got mine last night. Big score
modern gazelle
frozen/sophic or shadowflame?
i know frozen/sophic were fairly even but what do you think is the best all around for both raid and m+
austere lava
Wafting
modern gazelle
what? since when
soft plume
is fractured mirrior trinket from dawn of the infinite good
pallid quiver
which Fryak trinket do I want prot or DPS?
Augury's definitely better, but Rageheart actually isn't bad, just outclassed by other raid trinks. Rageheart is also a lot easier to get due to generally less people to roll against if it drops
toxic pewter
Next week we get another charge in the catalyst right
pallid quiver
is fractured mirrior trinket from dawn of the infinite good
Notably outclassed by other trinkets, iirc, but there's worse trinkets
nova rover
Anyone having issues with Rezan?
attempted a key where mele dps and myself were clear across the "area" and he'd pull us back in
uneven mason
Anyone having issues with Rezan?
Yup, he has deathgrip
seeing people ask for a shield of the hearth craft
nova rover
Is that a new thing? how far do you need to run if 3/4 of that wall isnt enough?
austere lava
what? since when
I don’t know exactly when, but seen that question asked 100 times the past few days and everyone has said wafting
uneven mason
median tulip
The difference between Sophic and Wafting is negligible
uneven mason
more than likely
but the simple answer is just sim it
(Or buy whatevers cheaper)
like me
median tulip
An entirely valid plan. Especially on weapons that aren't mythic track and will therefore be replaced
stone jewel
is IP proccing 2p like every single ip cast a bug or what
EDIT: I see the pin now sorry
this is very silly
lament zealot
Is there any reason not to get a PVP piece of gear with the mark you get for getting 2k M+ rating? Am I missing something here or would it be smarter for me to do that if I plan on pvp and pve?
safe bay
best embelishments?
fleet bear
Same question ^ Im finding like top 3:
Wrist > Neck > Waist. But cant find like a 100% answer
safe bay
the vers bracers?
fleet bear
I saw it, it looks cool. But from what ive read its not the best
Its like number6
out of the list
warm plinth
Is there any reason not to get a PVP piece of gear with the mark you get for get...
Haven't looked this season but last season pvp gear was already the top upgrade, whereas the pve gear is champion and upgradeable higher
The pvp gear was 9/9 elite or whatever
fleet bear
What the
Sorry if this question is stupid, havnt played sense s1 so rusty. I understand upgrading a piece with the shadowflame patch, but cant it go on multiple items? Does it matter what I craft with it? (Neck, belt, wep,etc?)
Should it be on the cloak & bracers? 2 crafted items, both with shadowflame?
violet flume
is the sim trolling me, saying spores of alacrity is -500 dps compared to mirror. Both gives haste and strength, but spore gives more haste, for same duration on a 1min shorter cd
oh its decaying haste lmao
warm plinth
Should it be on the cloak & bracers? 2 crafted items, both with shadowflame?
Yes that's correct
Since we can't have max ilevel crafted gear, we put embellishments on the lowest stat budget slots for the least stat loss.
fleet bear
Gotcha - so craft the 2 pieces (without adding any Embellishment. Then craft the 2 shadowflame, and put them on those 2 pieces yes?
warm plinth
You can just make them with the embellishment.
cerulean tusk
Craft it with the embellishment in one go, no need to waste gold
warm plinth
Embellishments are part of the crafting process
fleet bear
aaah gotcha
For wrist I go Primal Molten Vambraces & cloak go with Vibrant Wildercloth?
lament zealot
It seems like taking the PvP item is just the thing to do
cerulean tusk
If you PvP, then sure? Though you will lose some PvE ilvl (I got no context)
fleet bear
im pve with this - just see a few different options if I want 2 random stats, or 1 stat + tinker socket
cerulean tusk
You make the "normal one", then put in embellishment into that
Same as with the cloak
fleet bear
For cloak I get, but there are 2 wrists. Im guessing the 2 random stat wrist is the "normal one"?
cerulean tusk
Yep, other is engineering one
fleet bear
gotcha - thank you for all your help man
fleet bear
Will do 😄
potent anvil
cerulean tusk
Gz 
it goes on the fridge
kindred fiber
does anyone know how much sheilds actually matter? im 454 with a 415 shield
i see people saying it matters a ton but im curious if there is any data i can look at for it
violet flume
it lowers damage taken a lot
i dont have numbers but since you block 100% of the time, sometimes double cause crit block
its a lot
kindred fiber
it wouldn't help reduce any magic damage right? on a 17 fall i was just falling over to the breath + breath dot and autos from the last boss, with spell reflect up and ignore pain/shield block i would still die
through the healing of about ~100khps
kindred fiber
yeah i thought so i guess ill have to get one, just dont know if any prot warriors have any advice for that boss at the end of fall
violet flume
iridikron?
winged slate
Higher armor + higher block value can definitely make a big difference when it comes to mitigation of any kind
violet flume
i feel like theres nothing special to him except soak the first circle to prevent damage on chrokmie
and dont get hit by spikes
cinder nova
Deios?
cerulean tusk
Breath with DoT, final boss, Rise. I presume
teal swift
does anyone know how much sheilds actually matter? im 454 with a 415 shield
Just go spam 9 keys
cinder nova
Yeah, Chronolord Deios. It's the same guy at the end of Uldaman.
cerulean tusk
Mr sexy glasses
cerulean tusk
t4 feels fun to use
sand pebble
Just get hero track shield, gholak, brand, and 2p week 1
And trinkets
ionic fern
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
opaque quest
Just get hero track shield, gholak, brand, and 2p week 1
Pretty ez to win everything
ionic fern
Ewwwwwwwwwwwww DK.
opaque quest
Wasnt in the mood to play Deios as warr for a nother season
nova rover
Because it certainly wasn't liek that in BFA
Yea was crazy bricked the key because none of us could run away
ionic fern
👀
Haven't seen that one yet.
median tulip
Rezan? He can grab someone from halfway across the arena now. It's giga broken.
weary saddle
Rezan? He can grab someone from halfway across the arena now. It's giga broken.
what
is this a new thing
median tulip
Doesn't happen always
ionic fern
Just timed a 21 AD didn't see that
Out of the BRH/EB/DHT/DoTI:Fall/AD we did yesterday.,.we legit depleted the AD.
Diddn't think this was possible.
But we had a AFK AUg Evoker who died to everything
Get to last boss with 12 minutes left
And the DK dies to spiders 24/7.
pallid quiver
sounds accurate
median tulip
Haven't tried it yet this week; only had time to Raid yesterday
nova rover
Rezan? He can grab someone from halfway across the arena now. It's giga broken.
ok so it is a bug got it
ionic fern
It's still a free key.
pallid quiver
something something you can't bully that augvoker tho, their damage doesn't show up
ionic fern
Unless you get people who can't see.
median tulip
How bad is Yazma now she can't be kicked?
ionic fern
something something you can't bully that augvoker tho, their damage doesn't show...
No, i mean..legit AFK.
He was standing in the green stuff on the totem boss.
And died
3 times.
median tulip
And what's the new count like in AD?
ionic fern
How bad is Yazma now she can't be kicked?
Not bad at all.
pallid quiver
but he's an augvoker, mwahi, you can't bully him for low dps smh, don't you understand how it works in pugs?
ionic fern
Healers had 0 things to do there before, now they do.
pallid quiver
I've had healers who had to do things before
those plague hulk dudes do a lot of damage if they're left alive for seven days because the DPS have trouble breaking 40k DPS
ionic fern
And what's the new count like in AD?
That's also w/e.
I just did 1 extra pull.
On the right side, after pulling the initial big boy + 2 patrolling skeletons, i also pulled the 2 stealth guys and the next big boy pack.
And then on the priestess boss i also pulled to 2 guys on the far right into one gigapull.
median tulip
I've had healers who had to do things before
those plague hulk dudes do a lot o...
I tried pugging the place on my Priest last week. One of the DPS didn't understand the totem mechanics on those guys. The boss totems were WORSE
ionic fern
I've had healers who had to do things before
those plague hulk dudes do a lot o...
No, i mean , healers diddn't have things to do on the last boss.
pallid quiver
bold of you to assume pug dps won't manage to take damage and live somehow
I agree, though, even my worst pugs didn't need much help there
At any rate, I'll take any of the M+ shenanigans over what I've seen in raid
median tulip
Generally speaking, healers SHOULDN'T have very much to do. The healers job is to fix fuckups and unavoidables, not keep lazy people who can't dodge alive
pallid quiver
holy hell I doubt half of the people pug raiding are even humans
median tulip
I may have opinions on lazy DPS and bad tanks.s
ionic fern
Generally speaking, healers SHOULDN'T have very much to do. The healers job is t...
That's a weird take.
Why have healers at all then if their only job is to fix fuckups.
pallid quiver
I think he means the current state of the game leads it to being that way
Which is a complaint I've heard from healers proper
median tulip
I mean you watch a high key run, and people that fuck up at that level just die instantly; ain't shit a healer can do about it if you get insta'd
pallid quiver
healing's a very hard thing to setup in a way that's fun for everyone, I feel, just design wise, in a group based MMO
ionic fern
I mean you watch a high key run, and people that fuck up at that level just die ...
Jeah, you fuckup, you die, that's fine.
But healers shouldn't just be there to "heal fuckups".
pallid quiver
If you give a healer non-dum dum damage to fix, it feels bad for everyone else to have their survival reliant on someone. If they're only dum dum fixers, they feel patched on
so the balance has to be hit
and that's hard
ionic fern
We gave our healer plenty of things to do in the EB we did yesterday
pallid quiver
Or you just go the way of some MMOs and tell healers to fuck off from existence and everyone has to heal themselves now.
pso2 ngs is my instant thought on that one
ionic fern
Constant 8+ bursting stacks with dots.
median tulip
Bursting is such a bad affix
pallid quiver
I think about trying that every time, and then I remember that I normally raw pug healers
and i don't want to ruin some random person's day
ionic fern
It used to be bad, but now it's w/e.
median tulip
Bursting: If you have a Priest, this is a total non-affix. If you don't, your DPS must ALL engage braincells and be willing to reduce their DPS.
median tulip
Not all 3 of them, no
median tulip
I static with a Priest. But Bursting is a dick for pugs.
vivid orchid
gholak and rageheart on 1 kill, nice day
median tulip
Anyway my main point is that an affix that is "this one class makes it irrelevant" is a badly designed affix
restive scroll
Well, it's also a low level key affix, the higher you get, the less chance you have that all mobs die at once
But i agree the mass dispelable part is not super cool design wise
median tulip
Well, it's also a low level key affix, the higher you get, the less chance you h...
That can actually be worse. I've been in (non-priest) pugs in previous seasons, where you're on 4 stacks, Bursting is about to expire... and someone kills something, and you're back to max duration with 5 stacks...
restive scroll
That can actually be worse. I've been in (non-priest) pugs in previous seasons, ...
That's an issue at all key levels, I'm just saying it happens less at higher key level regardless of players awareness
I'm sure we all had that one person that's just like "if i cast one more spell, i can do more dps! Oh right, bursting"
(Well, or have been that one person.
I of course never forget bursting, but some people do.
Of course.)
lusty grotto
actually
in higher key levels you dont really care about the stacks
cause it doesnt scale with key level
you just pop group DR, personals and pump heals on it without a priest
restive scroll
^ that too
lusty grotto
and since pulls are larger the higehr the key level goes to make up time...
maiden ravine
I healed a 15 EB, we had 15 deaths cause of bursting, we still 2 chested
I lost 1 dps every 8+ bursting
west snow
Seeing pwar dead last in heroic statistics feels awful.
Bring back 100% to the 2pc at the very least
jagged pier
Ppl just need to stop being bad
maiden ravine
in heroic raid damage?
west snow
Nah. I went full try hard on mythic igira tonight. 114k dps. Look at the top parse: 144k from a VDH...
We are roughly 10k behind VDH in heroic parses
Shit's rough
west snow
Figured they would have top spot for M+, but didn't think they would dominate raid too
jagged pier
Pretty even at 95 and 99 percentiled
maiden ravine
at least warrior gets the special weapon this tier
pallid quiver
eventually bdk will become uber stronk once the leggo comes out with its effect that increases DK ability damage by 3,000%
west snow
Pretty even at 95 and 99 percentiled
At 95% we are even more behind than the average
pallid quiver
At 95% we are even more behind than the average
then don't play like shit is what that means
snow fulcrum
do you think it's worth crafting 2nd embellishment on belt if i already have hero track socketed wrists and my current belt is 447
jagged pier
he just posted data
west snow
west snow
He posted bars with no values
pallid quiver
I need to take a screenshot of that comment since it just keeps happening
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
i don't understand how or why
west snow
then don't play like shit is what that means
I'm not playing like shit. I'm speaking to the data and trend. But keep talking shit.
teal swift
@lusty grotto what'd I miss
jagged pier
ST blast fight
Yer we really behind guys
Or shall i just do across all bosses so the trend is skewed?
teal swift
ST blast fight
What the fuck, are we talking about which tanks are best for raid?
Using numbers as the only rational
urban portal
I think we just talking about tank damage
teal swift
Fucking why
You play the tank you like, if you're hardcore mythic raiding rn you're either the bdk or the other tank
If you're doing literally anything else it doesn't matter susge
jagged pier
lusty grotto
I'm not playing like shit. I'm speaking to the data and trend. But keep talking ...
bruh do you understand what average means?
teal swift
But it doesn't matter
lusty grotto
lets go over this:
if warrior 1 does 50k dps, and warrior 2 does 250k dps. What is the average?
teal swift
lets go over this:
if warrior 1 does 50k dps, and warrior 2 does 250k dps. What...
250k, warrior one got benched the following week
lusty grotto
(50 + 250) / 2 = 150
jagged pier
Omg guys we behind om the aoe cheese fight
lusty grotto
oh there you go 150k average dps
teal swift
I don't think tanks damage matters...
pallid quiver
Omg guys we behind om the aoe cheese fight
damn, we're 150 DPS behind at optimal parsing performance
ded class
west snow
Tank damage matters...it always matters...stating that we are behind damn near across the board just gets you dog piled apparently.
teal swift
It matters so much, rfw is running a bdk and a prot paladin
west snow
Just keep sucking each other off
lusty grotto
you jelly?
pallid quiver
Looking at all these, though, i'm concerned about the fact I'm generally higher than these average DPS marks on different fights.
almost all of my parses have come while being less than 450 ilvl
teal swift
Oh theres the insult ikz strikes again
He insinuated we are gay and are committing acts of oral sex.
What ever shall we do. My entire ego is shattered.
pallid quiver
i say concerned
lusty grotto
a lot of parses are with people without the current tier too
jagged pier
He insinuated we are gay and are committing acts of oral sex.
What ever shall w...
Average friday might for me
pallid quiver
i didn't have tier until after this week's first set of raid
jagged pier
pallid quiver
It's just a reminder of how many raid tanks just physically do not press buttons
as in they're pressing so few buttons, they wouldn't make it to the raid if they weren't summoned
teal swift
Idk, tank damage doesn't matter.
Play best you can, your class won't matter when you're killing a boss after 69 rounds of nerfs
lusty grotto
He insinuated we are gay and are committing acts of oral sex.
What ever shall w...
thats not even an insult though, its 2023 almost 24 lol
pallid quiver
that's why i have so much trouble pugging larodar
teal swift
thats not even an insult though, its 2023 almost 24 lol
Like what's the argument? Prot warriors are shit? They are good enough
lusty grotto
side topic though
does anyone know a fast way to get flightstones, i have to upgrade half my shit with discounts and i cant cuase im running out of em fast
besides you know spamming keys
pallid quiver
iirc kinda casual-ist is Heroic DotI still iirc
think it still gives a bunch of flightstones per clear
lusty grotto
thats true
teal swift
iirc kinda casual-ist is Heroic DotI still iirc
It's like 30 flight stones instead of 260
Isn't it?
jagged pier
does anyone know a fast way to get flightstones, i have to upgrade half my shit ...
They fixed doti spamm 😦
lusty grotto
fuck
pallid quiver
pain
jagged pier
as in they're pressing so few buttons, they wouldn't make it to the raid if they...
I was farming buttons last night
teal swift
Keys is the fastest way rn
pallid quiver
i need to farm gear here soon so i can actually compete
i'm still sitting at like 450 ilvl smh
jagged pier
Hey as long as your enjoying yourself
teal swift
Yeah, prot paladin. Was fun to learn, I'm doing negative damage though
Prot Warrior is next on list
soft glen
have you guys pulled aggro off your other tank a lot
?
im playing brew and only like 5ilvls below my friend and he keeps pulling threat off a shield slam
or is just skill issue
pallid quiver
Skill issue most likely, but I've pulled off tons of other raid tanks
lusty grotto
50% of the times pulling agro happens its because if skill issue, the other 50% its cause weapon ilvl differences
soft glen
hmm
our overall dps isnt really that different
but im not really a tank player so its probably me
jagged pier
I rarely pull threat off my monk cotank but then again he knows what im like so wouldnt be suprised if he throws taunts in here and there
jagged pier
but im not really a tank player so its probably me
Theres no such thing you are a dps that lives longer
soft glen
truuue
west snow
I was farming buttons last night
Pretty close. What trinkets are you rolling with?
pallid quiver
i pull threat off the pug tanks i'm with so often I usually don't even press taunt until an addon yells at me to because I'll just have aggro when, or before, I need it
jagged pier
I had sandglass and anvil for normal. Until tindrall then i had signet and sandglass
Then after like nyme on heroic i waa signet and fyrakk heart trinket as i had upgraded it
pallid quiver
"signet"
damn that reminds me i need to try for an lfr signet zzzz
no luck on that so far
jagged pier
U wont its giga for every one
I only got it because we use droptimizer and it was the biggest dps increase for me over everyone else
west snow
Having ursine in raid is pain
jagged pier
Also lets the dps fight of the hc version
pallid quiver
I don't have to deal with loot council, so I might if I just get lucky enough
unfortunately
jagged pier
Well one of the trinkets i was using for most of that was last tier so 🤷
pallid quiver
that means i have to also get lucky enough to be able to get smolderon dead
west snow
Anvil still stacks up pretty decently for being a tier behind, ya?
pallid quiver
So far, that hasn't happened. Too mechanically complex of a boss, simply goes over the head of your average pug. Having to... reads notes react to having a circle or not and grabbing balls? is too much too ask
west snow
I've ripped threat quite a few times against BDK this tier. Not a fun experience.
lusty grotto
but can you do it while SUCKING an entire discord channel off?
west snow
¿
west snow
but can you do it while SUCKING an entire discord channel off?
Translate, please.
west snow
My previous comment was in regards to the dog piling. I let it go. You can too.
lusty grotto
oh thank god you let it go
west snow
Praise be
hollow flower
At nymue you are supose to get the flower field in the intermission automaticaly right?
west snow
I could have gotten a capped alacrity trinket from vault but noticed it was on par with anvil. Was funny to see.
pallid quiver
At nymue you are supose to get the flower field in the intermission automaticaly...
Do you mean the one to get to adds or the one from killing adds?
jagged pier
At nymue you are supose to get the flower field in the intermission automaticaly...
U have to stand the full blossom but yes
Its the tanks job
pallid quiver
If the former, what jakey said
west snow
Full bloom gives it to you. Heroic hits kinda hard if not topped. It's nature damage iirc
hollow flower
I mean i was more running anvil because i had nothing that simmed better
Yeah still Farming AD
lusty grotto
it be like that sometimes 
hollow flower
Council trinket is pretty Bad for raid right?
lusty grotto
at least AD has a lot of stuff we can use, so its not just for 1 item
ursine? or pip?
ursine is good
hollow flower
Ursine
lusty grotto
its just bugged
pallid quiver
ursine would be better if it wasn't buggy
jagged pier
Yeah still Farming AD
Probably but i have good trinkets now
pallid quiver
but it has the side benefit for me of not making pugs kick me when they inspect me
hollow flower
Oh yeah forgot that it also stacks if friendlys Take damage
hollow flower
Probably but i have good trinkets now
Yeah i dont think i will get Signet soon
Maybe Heart If it drops
opaque quest
Dont worry about signet. Just get rezan
median tulip
ursine would be better if it wasn't buggy
I've heard conflicting reports about this. Is it dropping stacks miod-combat?
pallid quiver
Based on what Nome's shown, it kinda just loses stacks from time to time
jagged pier
Its half fixed
I think it stacks fine now
But still just drops
Randomly or somthing like that
hollow flower
Damage in Dungeons is still pretty bad
charred ivy
maybe dumb question but since idk. would our 4set be able consume rezans trinket bleeds also?
pallid quiver
2p specifies the class bleeds
charred ivy
but in general with 4 p we play almost the same way as before?
pallid quiver
especially with 4p, since TC will be off CD every time you consume bleeds
hollow flower
Last stand isnt an offensiv anymore
charred ivy
y figured also 🙂