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lusty grotto
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cringe

uneven mason
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We have APB here

torn gulch
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yes and you decided to troll because?

uneven mason
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It's hard to sort the trolling from actual hot takes

toxic pewter
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they do not say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit for no reason

lusty tiger
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.>

uneven mason
lusty tiger
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naughty boi

winged slate
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Damn dude you had us convinced you were stupid

lusty grotto
uneven mason
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Not a stretch

toxic pewter
frail zodiac
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True I kinda am

lusty tiger
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apb peak serious

lusty grotto
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trolling is kinda not trolling if nobody gets mad though

uneven mason
frail zodiac
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I’m bored and respect my fellow prot warriors

lusty tiger
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stance against stances

frail zodiac
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Wanted a good laugh

winged slate
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But what is your stance on stances?

lusty tiger
toxic pewter
lusty tiger
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!

toxic pewter
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u guys excited for vault

frail zodiac
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Beserker Stance unless in a portal on M echo than D stance that shit

torn gulch
lusty tiger
torn gulch
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never be excited for vault then you don't get dissapointed

lusty grotto
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i dont know what that is APB

uneven mason
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I'd take an aggressive stance on stances but they never made berserker available to prot

toxic pewter
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lol

lusty grotto
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im knocking on wood hard

torn gulch
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always have low expectations

winged slate
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I'm more primed for vault than that mythic smolderon clip

frail zodiac
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My wood is knocking hard

winged slate
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Please tell me people have seen that

toxic pewter
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O_O

lusty tiger
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n_n

lusty grotto
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b_b

tiny trellis
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so I should use my first spark on bracers, and put 2 shadowflame embelishments on it

lusty tiger
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p_p

lusty grotto
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if youre new to crafting, you can only put 1 on it

tiny trellis
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ok, one, thanks

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ah the guide I read made me think it was 2x

lusty grotto
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i mean hell if you can put more than one go for it (you cant though)

tiny trellis
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in the faq section

lusty grotto
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yes bracers and cloak

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1 in bracer, 1 in cloak 🙂

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1 + 1 = 2

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who says we cant do math

winged slate
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Let me get a calculator, hold up

toxic pewter
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u guys think losing 3 ilvls for flavor pocket worth it

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kinda miss my flavor pocket

lusty grotto
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just put it in an accessory

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like in a ring or something

toxic pewter
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like a ring or neck

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yeah good idea actually

uneven mason
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Keeping my neck just because I'm cheap

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Stat gem and flavor pocket

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And I can just ignore upgrading it until the end of time

winged slate
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Maybe I do exactly that with my spark

sick sentinel
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time to go log in to wow

winged slate
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486 neck with stat gem and a flavor pocket, never change it all patch

sick sentinel
left basalt
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We opening vault as fury still I'm assuming?

toxic pewter
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im prob gonna do prot after all cuz i wont see mythic for a while

sick sentinel
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yogi open as prot

uneven mason
lusty grotto
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the only 2 things you want from vault as prot loot spec are a shield (which you can get in raid anyway) and/or cheat

left basalt
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I don't have a shield yet, but I think I'll get one tonight

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cheat?

lusty grotto
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rest you can get in fury

winged slate
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Cheat death trinkie

lusty grotto
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prophetic scales

left basalt
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from DOTI?

toxic pewter
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missing out on a lot of good trinkets on prot though..

left basalt
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I have 441

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good enough for the time being

lusty grotto
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yeah thats fine i guess

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either way its not that important unless youre pushing high

sick sentinel
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doesnt bother me at all lmao cuz im only gunna run like 18s masx probably

left basalt
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we did a baby 17 this week

uneven mason
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Do 20s yogi, don't let anyone tell you otherwise

lusty grotto
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wait

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i guess ursine is prot only too

toxic pewter
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oh ya

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i want that trinket

lusty grotto
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and/or heart?

toxic pewter
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ya heart too

lusty grotto
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fucking blizzard

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with this loot spec bullshit

toxic pewter
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not signet or augery

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yeah lol some awkward decisions to be made perhaps

lusty grotto
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whatever happened to tanks can get dps trinkets in prot loot spec anyways

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i swear they moved into that during bfa and then just backpedalled

pallid quiver
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To me, the most janked up loot spec thing is fury loot spec being fury lootpsec

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There was a Fury warrior I ran with recently who didn't know that you could dodged 1H weps by being in Arms lootspec

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so i have a wep now thank to him

lusty grotto
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yeah thats what i said earlier

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its weird how

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for fury you want arms loot spec

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and for prot + arms you want fury loot spec lmao

uneven mason
flat sorrel
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Where do you all go to learn about the mythic dungeon mechanics, kicks, stuns, etc…? I see videos but each one is roughly 30 minutes per dungeon. If that’s the only way I’ll watch them but was looking for a faster way

lusty grotto
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quazii has dungeon guides

pallid quiver
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ram your face into them and see why you died

pallid quiver
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Pretty much the single fastest way, though people will be less than happy most of the time

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But people also aren't happy on good runs, either

jagged pier
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u go in the dungeon

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and do it

pallid quiver
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so fuck 'em

lusty grotto
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pretty much

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has anyone ever wondered why WoW players are so inclined to prepare beforehand

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since forever

pallid quiver
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MMO culture

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That fostered over from like EQ days

silk kiln
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Don’t wanna get flamed

uneven mason
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Just get in and punch shit, here at #protection we "Just send it". - Nomeratur, parrygodX 2023

lusty grotto
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i dont remember being so adamant about preparation in EQ1

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hell

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i didnt

pallid quiver
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Most overall goal of most people has always been to get loot to further their progression

flat sorrel
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I mean I’d just like to know what the mechanics are before I start doing keys

pallid quiver
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So this is an extension of that in the days after

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Doing the content is not why most people play the game

uneven mason
lusty grotto
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tbf ive done it so im not without fault, but it seems very common

blazing condor
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fyrakk is actually a pretty cool fight

pallid quiver
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Another part is mechanics that heavily punish you for not being prepared in advance

lusty grotto
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ikari i def dont remember preparing resists as a druid

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🙂

uneven mason
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Oh you mean like "reading strats"

pallid quiver
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Especially on healers end when damage is as spiky as it can be

lusty grotto
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just complete heal chain every fight, ez

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or incomplete heal in druid's case

uneven mason
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As long as it's a tank and spank

winged slate
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Run low keys -> Dungeon is free and you learn a lot -> Repeat with slightly higher keys until you get stuck

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Repeat enough times and you are now good at these dungeons

lusty grotto
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yeah pretty much

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mistakes are the best lesson

uneven mason
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But in original eq, none of the original 5 bosses were t&s

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Yeah in wow just doing will teach better than a guide

winged slate
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It's also fun to just run dungeons with friends and make mistakes

uneven mason
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Since you don't have to run back naked from Freeport sewers

winged slate
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Watching my buddy disengage into a healer with growing paranoia will never not be funny

uneven mason
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Watching our hdh fel rush on nymue and just melt instantly because they went over a cross section

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7 stacks instantly, yeah you done

blazing condor
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did liquid extend

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if anyone knows

winged slate
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Highly doubt it, they weren't that close to a kill + giving up a ton of reclear loot is shooting yourself in the foot

blazing condor
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i feel like they cleared up to tswift fast enough

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so reclear should be good but what do i know

winged slate
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Reclear is good even if it took them a while

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The only way I'd see them extending is if they were at like sub 5% fyrakk

sick sentinel
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today tyranical =

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RIP BOZO

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that shit hurts

lethal plaza
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We can reflect it right? Does it always target the tank?

sick sentinel
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no, it typically DOESNT target the tank is the gimick on that mechanic

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but we used to be able to kick it, which triviliazed the fight

winged slate
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I think it always prioritizes someone other than the tank

sick sentinel
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it likes to go on the casters and healers

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if it goes on healer, oh well, they have to self heal

winged slate
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It's not a nasty dot now, at least

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Boring boss to tank though

sick sentinel
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u havent seen it on tyranical yet is why

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try doing that fight on a 20 or 22

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THEN come back

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if you have to move boss more than twice it turns to shit

blazing condor
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yeah wracking pain goes not on tank

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unless people are dead

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time to invite dps warrs

sick sentinel
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rezan bleed really hurts too btw

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have to have 1 of ur big DR's for it

blazing condor
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yup

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but thats also p much the fight

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just live the bleed and its gg

sick sentinel
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if u have a paadin they can bubble it and eat it

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then dps dont have to move

uneven mason
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why arn't servers back up yet

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

lusty grotto
blazing condor
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hate rezan cus dps dont know how to position themselves

blazing condor
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and instead of just running to the next pillar by being on his right side

pallid quiver
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wow's supposed to be my haven from m y fighting game withdrawal

blazing condor
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they just get ate after running over 20 dinosaurs

pallid quiver
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i agree, riot because servers down

sick sentinel
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BRING THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS UP

pallid quiver
uneven mason
pallid quiver
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i don't know what causes it to happen, but I've seen it twice

blazing condor
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yeah that happens in my keys too

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tilted tf out of my monk

pallid quiver
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it happened to me once

blazing condor
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cus he lusted / rolled / whatever

uneven mason
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Yeah I haven't seen him not grab someone yet

pallid quiver
sick sentinel
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Wtf is the issue with ur druid being in bear from for like, 3 gcds possibly

uneven mason
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like legit I think if they run into the water he just noms them

sick sentinel
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seems lul to me

uneven mason
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It is lul

winged slate
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Bro Rezan is so fucking slow now idk how you get caught

uneven mason
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and its the mentality of PUGs this season

sick sentinel
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well, yeah, im giving them benefit of doubt that they want to run somewhere or press some combat button like a heal or debuff or whaever the hell it is druids do

pallid quiver
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You're off shopping in Akihabara in Japan and you just open a damn door and you're in dino belly zone

south patrol
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How long is maintenance today? I’m stuck at work for a few more hrs

pallid quiver
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It's supposed to end in 30m

south patrol
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Ahh cool thanks

sick sentinel
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and monkers for when he does fears that send u into the purple baby dinos

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so, what i do is

toxic pewter
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NA servers up

uneven mason
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blue barrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

toxic pewter
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area 52?

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never fails

pallid quiver
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if my vault's bad, I'm peeing on the carpet

sick sentinel
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this is how i do rezan and it works pretty good

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keeping the party in the water, they only create babies if they get giga bad fears

sick sentinel
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blue is water

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green is land

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puprle is purple piles that creat dino

lusty grotto
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didnt think people needed a diagram on how to do rezan lmao

urban portal
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fuck yeah im color blind

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cant tell the difference

left basalt
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We want the dps trinket off of fyrakk, not the tank one correct?

sick sentinel
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yeah well, wait till u lose all ur dps window cuz someone lusts and shaman kites hi m to the moob

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melee running after cant do rotation

lusty grotto
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first of all

toxic pewter
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freakin area 52 loading sucks ass

lusty grotto
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why is lusting bad?

sick sentinel
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its not

lusty grotto
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second of all

sick sentinel
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but its where u would lust this week

lusty grotto
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kiting to mobs is also not bad

pallid quiver
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damn I should have done more higher level keys

lusty grotto
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not really yogi

pallid quiver
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My last dungeon slot is a tier helm, but it's on 463 because I didn't hit enough keys last week

tender phoenix
# sick sentinel

You do want the dps on the other side to run to the other pillar (that's how I did it back in bfa)

sick sentinel
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i just bring a shaman tbh

lusty grotto
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you do it exactly like you did in bfa

sick sentinel
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or los

lusty grotto
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losing is faster than waiting on tremor

sick sentinel
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well this is the way i did it in bfa lol

blazing condor
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You start at one pillar

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Then u go to the next pillar

pallid quiver
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at least the higher ilvl helm has leech i guess

sick sentinel
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i dont do him on the land just makes healer life hell

knotty stump
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What spec you guys opening vault in?

pastel sleet
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if we arent mythic raiding, we are still opening as fury right? buncha bad tank trinkets to avoid?

uneven mason
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my vault just glitched out

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and has nothing in it

pallid quiver
uneven mason
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gonna be so pissed

pallid quiver
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The better ones are DPS specs, tho

sick sentinel
lusty tiger
uneven mason
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balls

sick sentinel
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i didnt mean to cast it at you but i guess it had to go at someone

toxic pewter
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fuuu got the heroic fyrakk 1h axe in my vault.. lol do i take it over tier u think

uneven mason
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thinking the 473 legs and convert to tier

toxic pewter
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wat u guys think. i have zeor tier so far

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take the weapon right?

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lol

lusty tiger
winged slate
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Is that a heroic Gholak? Take it and run

uneven mason
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yes weapon

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iirc

toxic pewter
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yes

blazing condor
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Gholak lookin spicy

uneven mason
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that's BIS even at heroic ilvl

haughty ibex
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Is it worth going for the Crafted helmet?

toxic pewter
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heroic fyrak weapon so nice

lusty tiger
haughty ibex
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With shadowflame?

blazing condor
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Its gonna be bis until you do him on mythic

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We put shadowflame on cloak / bracers

sick sentinel
uneven mason
toxic pewter
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yeah i cant not take the weapon.. its just too good lol

uneven mason
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crafted helm is garbage

sick sentinel
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the hose town ritual worked on my self

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bunch of bullshit

left basalt
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Going to wait and see what drops tonight, but most likely champoin tier piece and hopefully get another? Crab trinket is big yikers yes?

haughty ibex
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Why wrists and cloak?

sick sentinel
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CRAB

tiny trellis
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wait is hero higher than champion?

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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im only memeing atm but i mean, holy mastery

uneven mason
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so its the lowest impact

sick sentinel
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it has a higher cap

haughty ibex
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Got it, that makes sense

uneven mason
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Vet > CHamp > hero > Myth

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is the progression

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(those are arrows not greater signs)

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wait vet adv champ hero myth

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always forget adv

pastel sleet
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can someone explain to me why we are crafting embellished items before 1h and shield? my sims are saying the later is far more impactful

uneven mason
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or whatnoebveer

haughty ibex
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Would ring be viable since it only provides secondary stats or nah?

blazing condor
uneven mason
pallid quiver
uneven mason
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and yeah

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like I already have a heroic 1h

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like 7 dropped

pallid quiver
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And the Fyrakk wep particularly is so stronk that it beats higher ilvl weps pretty often

uneven mason
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in the raid

pastel sleet
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fair enough

lusty grotto
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you can get the AD 1 hander if you dont get lucky with a gholak drop

sick sentinel
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how do i check the stats that will be on tier gear

uneven mason
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wowhead

winged slate
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Press Shift + J

lusty grotto
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dungeon journal

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last tab

uneven mason
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or that

winged slate
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There's a tab for item sets

sick sentinel
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pants it is then

winged slate
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IIRC pants/gloves/chest all have good secondaries?

lusty grotto
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this is week 2, you shouldnt be looking at stats

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get the set bonuses, forget stats, disregard helm after

pallid quiver
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I looked at the important stat of ilvl

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because i can turn it into tier and get set bonus later

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but that all stems from me being fighting game focused this past week so I didn't do enough content to get high ilvl in all slots

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feels bad

tiny trellis
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I chose this.

uneven mason
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good pick

pallid quiver
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i picked the myth track non-tier helm qq

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instead of the tier helm

lusty grotto
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stupid late

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smh my head

tiny trellis
oblique garnet
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ye

oblique garnet
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still hunting a belt tho

pallid quiver
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he's cheating over there

lusty grotto
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pink class though

oblique garnet
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Still in week 1 too 🙂

lusty grotto
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chipadin is abandoned 😢

oblique garnet
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Idk im just dpsing boss tbh

lusty grotto
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at least for this week lul

hushed harbor
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is branch a decent trinket or is the CD kinda long? I have this or a heroic track shield to pick in vault.... shield is probably the winner but wasnt sure if the branch was simming well

oblique garnet
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Warrior had to be abandoned sadga

lusty grotto
uneven mason
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ofcourse my DH gets hero teir

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and my druid

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and my DK

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but not my warrior

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

candid flame
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For vault, is it better for wep, shield or legs? All big Ilvl upgrades but wep is 473 others are 470

sick sentinel
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unless there is a reason not to i will just recraft current belt

lusty grotto
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yogi ignoring everything, classic yogi

sick sentinel
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gotta do 18's to get that gear lol

lusty grotto
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well i suppose youre right

blazing condor
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actually won like 6 rolls today in my full clear

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pog champ

tiny trellis
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do ya''ll use curseforge or something else for addons in WoW?

sage sun
blazing condor
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i use curseforge

lusty grotto
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i use wow-up

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wow up curseforge edition

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only because it updates elvui too

blazing condor
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hol up

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i didnt know that

sick sentinel
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curseforge is alright, i dont know of a better alternative if thats what you are really asking

lusty grotto
sick sentinel
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what i say about wow up is you do you boo

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if you like the shit you like, good, i guess

pallid quiver
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getting turned down from raid groups for not being aotc already smh

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should've joined the liquid splits

lusty grotto
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wow up downloads from curseforge yogi

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thats "CF" as in curseforge

sick sentinel
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strange, i dont use that one at any rate

lusty grotto
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well you dont use elvui either

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so you dont need it

uneven mason
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I use curseforge because I play some Minecraft modpacks so whynot just run wowmods through it is my thoughts

lusty grotto
cosmic wyvern
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is there a weakaura for the new tier set

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just got 2 set from vault B)

lusty grotto
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yes nome has one

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for only the tier set

sick sentinel
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when i hit this button i get ~~ 5,500 shield slam dmg lol

uneven mason
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That is how ap works

sick sentinel
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im just saying thats alota dmg

blissful iris
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do we even have a way to get fire and nature damage? raidbots telling me to take this neck but seems meh

lusty grotto
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shadowflame patches

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gholak

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jsut about everything has fire dmg

uneven mason
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Is that the idiotic shield neck?

lusty grotto
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probably

blissful iris
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ya

lusty grotto
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lol

cosmic wyvern
warm plinth
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2nd time I've heard this mentioned, what neck is this?

blissful iris
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that is my only options .. the rest is super bad

uneven mason
lusty grotto
uneven mason
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Always a socket!

warm plinth
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That looks uh

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I'm assuming you don't lose stat budget for the effect?

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If not then it's just a necklace

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I wouldn't even care about the effect

blissful iris
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just a neck with 83k absorb every min... which is so minor imo

uneven mason
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Yeah, I'm hoping it's free because that 1x minutes is just cringe

blissful iris
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and not even that if you dont even take nature damage

cosmic wyvern
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where's nome's 2set weakaura

warm plinth
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If it's an upgrade just use it 🤷 the effect has nothing to do with how it sims

lusty grotto
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neck without haste

uneven mason
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Rare flavor item is pee flavor

lusty grotto
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🙂

warm plinth
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Either that or take socket

blissful iris
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honesty socket enjoyer

warm plinth
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No haste on neck is kinda bad but if you want it for short term upgrade there's no harm in it

fossil cloud
uneven mason
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Stock up on socket so you can get a mythic ring

fossil cloud
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weapon or head

uneven mason
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Weapon will be replaced by fyrak weapon, helm can be swapped to tier and last forever @fossil cloud

cosmic wyvern
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do I even need a weakaura for 2set or can I just kinda play as normal and it'll benefit me passively

silent vessel
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you kinda want to track rend

cosmic wyvern
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I can't find the weakaura tho

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if there is one

silent vessel
cosmic wyvern
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ty :)

toxic pewter
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u guys think i should sell this ring for 100k gold

blazing condor
waxen orbit
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What spec do I open vault as this week

blazing condor
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Not fun stats

toxic pewter
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can i get more than 100k u think lol

strong forum
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Check ah

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And what they go for

toxic pewter
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its not a boe LOL

blazing condor
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I mean thats not a boe

strong forum
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Ah.

blazing condor
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If u dont get any higher bid from raid

toxic pewter
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guy messaged me asking if i want to sell it

blazing condor
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Then thats what you get

toxic pewter
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i dont really want to even use it

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but i got for ilvl

blazing condor
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Can u even trade it

toxic pewter
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yeah apparently i can O_O

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even though i only have 1 467 ring so far not sure what going on with it

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i thought i needed 2 rings of same ilvl to trade it

true bridge
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Is rage spent on execute in dungeons?

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or is it more towards the end when not alot of dmg is taken?

waxen orbit
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Okay what spec do I open vault on?

lusty grotto
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i had forgotten that its wing 2 of lfr

warm plinth
lusty grotto
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more tier availability

vocal flame
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We get our second tier piece token this week or is that next week?

pallid quiver
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well

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i lucked into gloves off normal igira

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i'm slap mode now

strong forum
blazing condor
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if its every other now

tiny trellis
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just installed ElvUI wewlad it's too much

blazing condor
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it takes a while to go through it all

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and you can tweak literally anything

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so its a bit overwhelming

silk sandal
#

is augury truley as good as it sims?

tiny trellis
#

some cool profiles on waigo

#

didn't realize blizz HUD was so customizable as well

uneven mason
#

Base UI is based

#

Elvui is a patch day nightmare

tardy grove
#

Already have weapon from fyrakk and shield from everbloom. Think opening vault as arms is the move?

calm whale
#

Any thoughts on the new helmet w/ the shield embellishment?

lusty grotto
#

no thoughts

blazing condor
#

head empty

calm whale
#

Roger that

#

🫡

tiny trellis
#

yeah im about to uninstall this all it looks cool but

#

i can't even edit the chat box size

granite pond
#

480 belt or 460 tier...that belt is looking interesting

tiny trellis
#

higher ilvl? you can always catalyst a higher piece into tier if you find one

uneven mason
granite pond
#

honestly it feels like tier from vault is a bit of a bait, since it's relatively easy to get outside of it

echo grail
#

Is wracking pain reflectable?

uneven mason
blazing condor
echo grail
#

Hmmmm

uneven mason
#

Lotta reflects are not priority towards tank sadly

echo grail
#

Shame, that's gonna be a spicy meatball this week

uneven mason
#

It's their way of making sr less impactful without nerfing it

echo grail
#

20 tyrannical, 450k upfront, 212k every 2 sec

granite pond
#

is it dispellable now or just have to eat it?

echo grail
#

Makes me wonder how a non tank will survive

uneven mason
echo grail
#

We must play with differnt dps

uneven mason
#

But for feral/boomkin

uneven mason
echo grail
#

Wisdom

uneven mason
#

Most pug DPS smoothbrain their rotation and think anything that causes them to stop DPS is a healer problem

#

Like watching hdh eat shit to dots when they literally have an immunity

echo grail
#

Ya, most dps there use their cds to run over spiders

faint swift
#

Augury of the Primal Flame thoughts with the prot warrior ?

lament zealot
#

It's BIS

#

for dmg

warm plinth
lament zealot
#

Are we still rocking 2x shadowflame patches?

uneven mason
#

Yeah

blazing condor
uneven mason
#

10% crashing to Lua error in xpac release

lusty tiger
waxen frigate
#

Y’all ever heard of “fishing”?

blazing condor
#

you shouldnt really need to track rend/fervid right i mean you just remember to press TC

warm plinth
#

Yeah there's no real need to track it. Proper play will take care of it

blazing condor
#

tier set is just automatic as long as you play right

#

but its definitely gonna be a few missed TCs cus it resets so often

#

so if anything have something for that ig

#

unless 4p shows you

warm plinth
#

I would assume it triggers an action bar glow but I don't have the tier yet so

blazing condor
#

yeah id think so

#

in that case its ezp

#

z

quartz pumice
#

How do i get my heroic throw to hit multi targets? wwhat am i missing?=

warm plinth
#

Titanic Throw talent

#

Not something typically used

blazing condor
#

a shame cus iits a cool talent

quartz pumice
#

Thanks!

pallid quiver
#

y'know

#

fervid feel funny

#

i like it

blazing condor
#

it procs way more often than i thought it would

#

like every other shield slam

warm plinth
pallid quiver
#

damn, that takes me back to my panda raiding days

#

Guild that took me in said they mostly raided with people that were fuinny or good

blazing condor
#

honestly

#

good mix

#

20 sweaty tryhard that are frustrated are no fun to raid with regardless of how good they are

#

gotta have the class clown

pallid quiver
#

I asked which I was

#

They said I was kinda weird in that I was both

#

at least they didn't leave me in the dark

blazing condor
#

so where do we get the drakes dreaming crest

lusty grotto
#

enchanting vendor

chrome falcon
#

yo can an NA gamer test whether you can intervene+spell reflect

#

on yazma

lusty grotto
#

you cant

#

intervene + sr hasnt worked in a while

chrome falcon
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
#

there shouldn't be any reason why it would now

lusty tiger
#

new banner vid when

lusty grotto
#

but, if i run an AD ill do it just in case

uneven mason
#

Intervene melees only sadge

chrome falcon
#

i've been playing just not been as active in here

#

because pwarr is hella easy so there's not much need for collaboration as there was in SL

pallid quiver
chrome falcon
#

and if you can't play it well atm you're beyond saving

chrome falcon
pallid quiver
#

ooh neat

uneven mason
chrome falcon
#

the spreadsheet isn't up to date

lusty grotto
#

yeah it should be reflectable now

chrome falcon
#

can we intervene it though?

#

even if it's not SR able

warm plinth
#

Intervene only works on physical ranged attacks I'm pretty sure

#

like gunshots or arrows

lusty tiger
#

it works on most non spells

chrome falcon
#

pain

#

dogshit spell

#

they should have replaced inspiring presence with safeguard

lusty grotto
#

agreed

warm plinth
#

the yazma reflect really doesn't mean anything for us though sadly

#

Since she doesn't target the tank with it unless bad things happen

chrome falcon
#

yeah but if bad things do happen

#

it's gonna be really good for clutching

lusty grotto
#

its good for dps warriors at least

chrome falcon
#

honestly it's gonna do DAMAGE

warm plinth
#

Yeah, especially if it puts the dot on her

#

and not just the initial damage

chrome falcon
#

it should do

warm plinth
#

it should yeah

vocal flame
tropic star
#

looks like raid build has ITF, are we just playing around block uptime gaps

sick sentinel
#

that or block, that sort of hurts too

warm plinth
#

Nothing on yazma is reflectable for us

#

Skewer is a blockable tank buster

pallid quiver
lusty tiger
stuck drum
#

Coming back to the game after quite a break to prot warrior. What crafting piece should I grab?

warm plinth
#

Not really because wracking never goes on us until it doesn't matter

lusty tiger
#

what does the debuff do?

warm plinth
#

On wracking? It's just a dot

pallid quiver
blazing condor
#

i assume we still gotta take the dream portal despite the tree actually being in azeroth now

pallid quiver
#

but the sheer amount of stats we have in S3 make that

#

unlikely

#

Particularly since that build you only use with full T31, since you still use Bolster with T30 on

sick sentinel
warm plinth
#

It does

tiny trellis
#

ok so....WRISTS are a good slot to craft with my spark, correct? because the 4 piece tier set is head, shoulders, legs, gloves?

sick sentinel
#

so healer gets caught out by other mechanics

warm plinth
#

However, I am concerned about the fact that wracking can literally happen right after a soulrend

#

which does a ton of damage

warm plinth
#

people are gonna get wombocomboed and you won't be able to do anything about it

pallid quiver
tiny trellis
#

oh wait shoulders, chest, legs, gloves

pallid quiver
#

Since they're the least impactful stat budget wise

sick sentinel
#

is the new design of not making her kick able to makethe tank run out for bait mechanic as well?

warm plinth
#

No, there's zero reason for the tank to run out for that mechanic

sick sentinel
#

well, the bait one

#

clones

#

like, i dont run out for those

warm plinth
#

Yes the tank does not get a clone, so there's no reason for you to be out there

sick sentinel
#

so i should now?

warm plinth
#

This does not change that

sick sentinel
#

i thought the tank gets a clone and the claws or some other thing is reflectable on u and reliable, could be blocked, i'll figure it out

tiny trellis
#

so it's just a placeholder?

warm plinth
#

If you got a clone then you would have had to be there already

sick sentinel
#

but, for me, im casual and i will only see 483 anyways

primal crypt
#

BOYS

tiny trellis
#

i'll just craft wrists then

primal crypt
#

WE SLAMMING

tiny trellis
primal crypt
warm plinth
# tiny trellis so it's just a placeholder?
  1. BiS lists are shit for a reason
  2. Embellishments are a bigger dps increase than 3 ilevels
  3. Cloak and bracers have very tiny stat budgets, which is why we craft those, because the 3 ilevel difference on them will be even smaller.
pallid quiver
#

on top of that, the crafted embel items are just entirely separate from their bis lists; they just don't put those there

#

they have their own section

uneven mason
primal crypt
lusty tiger
wild hemlock
#

so uh im guildless and want an aotc kill. how much they going for?

jagged pier
#

just wait till end of season when they cheap

#

🤷

winged slate
#

It's also not hard to bum one off a friend later on

warm plinth
#

I wouldn't really trust guilds selling it this early anyway

broken kite
#

only have lfr tier gloves already lmao

#

bro

warm plinth
#

probably like that dude in BFA who sold "ra-den kills" for 40k in trade but really it was just him inviting you to ra-den pugs

tiny trellis
#

Primal Molten Vambrances it is

pallid quiver
#

anyway i made out like a bandit in the normal raid i hit just on a whim today, i now have new trinkies and tier

rich iris
#

is the play to open vault as Arms?

pallid quiver
#

It depends on what you need/are looking for

maiden ravine
#

Aotc shouldn't be that hard to pug as you get gear

pallid quiver
winged slate
#

Prot if you want shields or trinkets marked as tank
Fury if you want Gholak but not shields or tank trinkets
Arms if you don't want 1h/shield/tank stuff

plush tendon
#

failing the seed mech is like a wipe

maiden ravine
#

I'm gonna be pugging the hell out of heroic Fyrakk soon cause I need to start stacking that blp asap

pallid quiver
maiden ravine
#

Messing up seeds is basically a wipe on normal too so not a big difference

pallid quiver
#

More body interaction forced and required; you can bring like two trusted friends and solo handle the seed mechs

winged slate
#

If you have turbo DPS you need less seeds to live

pallid quiver
#

unless you need a lotta time, then you need more friends

maiden ravine
#

That's any boss.

winged slate
#

There's lots of bosses that are free even without DPS

pallid quiver
#

But even then, it's not that hard conceptually to coordinate since it's individual skill there

maiden ravine
#

Of course the boss dying faster meaning less mechanics to possibly mess up

winged slate
#

There's also just a big difference between skipping pass/fail mechancis, and skipping other stuff

pallid quiver
#

Like Tindral needs everyone to help with steppin' on seeds, Larodar needs DPS to soak/kill trees and roots with heals properly healing,

#

Which tend to be harder than "Hey jackhat A, grab seed, don't get hit with seed"

maiden ravine
#

I pugged heroic igira at 3am just to get a heroic raid vault slot and man, healers struggle on the intermission soaks and I didn't know why.

#

It's damage but didn't seem oppressive damage

#

Did it as arms and an impending was usually enough for me.

pallid quiver
#

I've seen a lot off healers just be straight out unable to heal through the heal absorbs, so the only solution was to save it for last and kill her before they blew up

torn gulch
#

I had both gholak and th shield drop on the same raid run and i won both of them this week has been good

pallid quiver
#

which is concerning

maiden ravine
#

Gholak is insane. It's a full stat budget weapon so the proc is all bonus right?

torn gulch
#

yes

#

a heroic one is second bis behind the mythic one

#

jakey did some sims and it was beating 489 weapons by like 1k+ dps

maiden ravine
#

I only have normal so far and even that is doing a ton of damage on single target

winged slate
#

Yeah my normal axe is ~3-4% of my total damage in M+

maiden ravine
#

Lowkey, makes me a bit sad for the dagger/sword casters, ranged hunters, agi 1h specs

winged slate
#

If you really want to make them jealous, earn the legendary and tank with that equipped

maiden ravine
#

I totally am getting the leggo on blood dk

pallid quiver
winged slate
#

Do we know what it looks like already?

pallid quiver
#

it's the axe fyrakk is holding iirc

#

so

#

that

#

except probably slightly different

winged slate
#

If so, the axe he holds is sick as fuck

#

Oh whoops lmao nice watermark

tiny trellis
#

hmm read through all of WoW'heads guide but didn't see anything about gems or enchantments

winged slate
#

Go to consumables

grim pilot
#

@strong forum any dungeons where you might not run spell block?

tiny trellis
silk sandal
#

what slots should i be putting embellishments on? I am trying to figure out what piece to catalyze+aotc token

jagged pier
#

bracers

#

and cloak

winged slate
#

Your two free tier pieces are whichever 2 you don't get elsewhere, ideally

light depot
#

This probably been asked a bunch but is prot having a bad time with Deios, last boss of Rise, or is it just me?

winged slate
#

Yes we're getting fucked, it just got nerfed, it's still going to fuck

jagged pier
#

yer that why u leap out of every other one

light depot
#

It's the dots from the ads right?

jagged pier
#

no

#

its the breath dot

silk sandal
#

our token got low balled last week and still have 2 aug ahead of me

winged slate
#

I think in a perfect world you skip helmet

#

But yeah sometimes shit happens

#

You've got a whole season to fix it

warm plinth
#

@jagged pier go to bed

pallid quiver
# light depot It's the dots from the ads right?

Dot from adds won't target tanks, but it will cause the healer to lose a GCD dispelling. Their normal casts also make hurty when combined with the breath, hence why reducing their damage smooths your damage

#

and why leaping out of every other breath makes life very comfy

#

at least in comparison

warm plinth
#

You're very comfy

#

Gottem

light depot
#

Right so I'm just eating his frontals for fun and that's the problem, sick.

#

Thanks lol

jagged pier
#

so no

pallid quiver
#

so make sure to have that rocked just in case

#

Since the breaths are about 20 seconds apart last I had checked

gloomy vortex
pallid quiver
#

Yep, max range leap; I recommend taking a step or two away after, too, just to be safe

#

because it'd suck a lot to misjudge and take a breath 100% unmitigated because you expected to just entirely negate it

warm plinth
jagged pier
#

2:30 too

#

Bedge time

#

10pm is hard bedge time tho

vocal flame
jagged pier
#

its in the prot loot table

vocal flame
#

ahh cool!

jaunty stag
#

I am a 440 item level. In my vault, I can choose a veteran track set piece for my 2 piece bonus (441), or a Champion Track Belt Haste/vers with a socket (454), I also have a Hero track Helm (467, Haste/master).

For focusing only on Mythic+, which is the better option?

warm plinth
#

what level keys do you generally end up doing

austere lava
jaunty stag
#

I get close to KSM at the end of the season, but dont' always get it.

warm plinth
#

Hero track helm then

sick sentinel
#

i only ever missed ksm in 9.0 or 9.1

warm plinth
#

highest you're likely to get

sick sentinel
#

im pretty sure it was 9.1

jagged pier
#

as it has 2handers as well

jaunty stag
#

How strong is the 2 piece for mythic +?

sick sentinel
#

you equip 2 + 2 set piece (this tier and last)

#

if you only have 2/4 new

#

god damnit, that versa trinket went off 1 entire time in the entire key i just ran

uneven mason
#

Sounds like crap

blazing condor
#

so where do yall get the splintered spark of dreams?

#

ive only gotten one this week

#

having done everything

winged slate
#

You get half a spark each week

blazing condor
#

dam

#

thought it was one

#

then that makes sense

winged slate
#

Week "0" as it were gave a full one

#

Half last week, half this week, half til they change it

tiny trellis
#

did all 5 LFR bosses no loot ree

static shore
#

how we looking overall for M+ ?

grand veldt
#

Yo

median tulip
grand veldt
#

Breaking old 2pc feels like shit

#

Are we sure 15% less shield damage is worth the thunderous roar increase @strong forum

#

My shield slam went from 35k to 29k

#

Feels like dog shit

#

I'm thinking about keeping 2pc 2pc

median tulip
#

You should never drop a set bonus unless you're replacing it with another set bonus

blazing condor
#

max m+ vault is 483 right

#

is that maxed out path as well or upgradeable

#

dont remember if they changed that

strong forum
#

483 max vault 489 max upgraded

blazing condor
#

kk thanks

dusky canopy
#

Who got the thickest vault?

hexed pumice
#

how bad is frostfire belt and a shadowflame patch compard to 2 shadowflame patch

winged slate
#

I got an entire 4pc in my vault

#

Does that count as thick?

hexed pumice
#

and how bad it is to put shadowflame on a shield?

strong forum
grand veldt
#

I thought we couldn't sim

#

Bc of revenge procs and shit

strong forum
#

?

#

Huh

grand veldt
#

Revenge procs when we parry

#

The free one that does more damage

strong forum
#

What about them

grand veldt
#

Every Sim I see doesn't factor mobs attacking you

strong forum
#

Huh

#

We do get attacked in sims

grand veldt
#

Yes so how can we get accurate numbers?

strong forum
#

I'm completely lost

grand veldt
#

Wait

strong forum
#

Sims are accurate

grand veldt
#

Link me

strong forum
#

Who told you sims aren't accurate?

grand veldt
#

I thought they didn't factor mobs hitting us

strong forum
#

They do

grand veldt
#

You're saying they do

#

Okay which bot?

strong forum
#

Raidbots

grand veldt
#

How the fuck

#

Idk I remember reading that here

strong forum
#

Bruh

#

And even fucking then

grand veldt
#

Nvm i just misrembered this quote apparently

strong forum
#

The free revenge

#

Is 3 ppm

grand veldt
#

What?

#

I thought it didn't have a ppm cap

strong forum
#

It does

grand veldt
#

That's so fucking cringe

strong forum
#

For like 3 years

grand veldt
#

Yeah this is my first year being involved seriously with try harding

#

I played classic before

blazing condor
grand veldt
#

That's so wild

blazing condor
#

well now you know okayge

#

thats why you ask questions

grand veldt
#

Yeah thanks nome

#

I appreciate you being so reliable

blazing condor
#

i ask stupid questions all the time

#

thats how you eventually become less stupider

dusky canopy
hexed pumice
#

how much better is 2 shadowflame patch than a shadowflame patch and frostfire blet

blazing condor
#

the ilvl difference would probably make it better

#

in the gear

lusty grotto
#

it depends on how high you get

#

like if you cant get past 486 ilvl, then SF + Belt are pretty even

hexed pumice
#

i usually get the portal from 20s and thats it

lusty grotto
#

if you can consistently get vault capped gear, then belt just falls

hexed pumice
#

i dont raid srsly

#

at most i pug some heroics

lusty grotto
#

its 18s

#

and you get vault capped

nova vector
#

Just back after a 4 month hiatus. Just got tier 31 2 piece. Is there a WA to track the proc?

lusty grotto
#

just gotta up those items

blazing condor
#

oh im stupi

#

you can just recraft a ffb to 486

#

i just assumed it was capped at 447 cus

lusty grotto
#

486 is max lvl craft yea

#

489 is max vault myth track

#

so if you can get 489 pieces, its better to do cloak + bracers

#

if you wont and cant, then belt is an option

hexed pumice
#

alright

lusty grotto
#

its all because belt has a lot more stats, so a 489 belt with bracers/cloak which have minimal stats as embellishes is a better option than having a belt max at 486 (and/or less stat pieces like a cloak or a bracer at max ilvl)

hexed pumice
#

ty for the answer

#

i was thinking about puting SF on shield like i did last season

lusty grotto
#

thats a nono

hexed pumice
#

but last season craft gear was highest ilvl

lusty grotto
#

cause you want the highest ilvl shield

#

always

#

ilvl on shield means more block value

hexed pumice
#

yeah

lusty grotto
#

that you cant get anywhere else

hexed pumice
#

ill prob do as you said

#

bracer and cloack

#

ty vm

waxen orbit
#

Okay

#

Do I do

#

2pc 2pc

#

for M+?

#

or does earthen smash still annihilate until i get 4pc?

#

I'm assuming it's t30 until i get 4pc

strong forum
#

New 2pc does more than old 4pc

waxen orbit
#

Do I do the new talent build with this 2pc 2pc?

#

Or send same until 4pc?

#

I assume don't take thunderlord til 4pc

strong forum
#

Same talents

warm plinth
#

No. Intervene doesn't intercept spells.

vocal flame
grand veldt
#

I need to Sim it before I make any conclusions

#

But 2pc 2pc to me felt better for single target damage

#

I'll Sim it and post update

#

I also need to Sim if bloodborne would do more dps over 1.5 minutes vs ravager

warm plinth
#

Well Nome mentions in the pins that 2+2 can be better for st

strong forum
warm plinth
#

And even has a build specifically for it

polar tinsel
#

Might be a silly question. But for crafted bracers are we doing SF embel, or the allied wrist guard ones for the vers embel? I see people doing both.

strong forum
#

Sf

polar tinsel
#

Thanks

grand veldt
#

The buff from our 4pc, it refreshes when you shield slam with proc right

#

I can't tab target and stack higher DR?

sick sentinel
#

remember to reset wcm before zoning in boys

broken hinge
#

On mobile so excuse me if this is wrong, but are we dropping both shockwave and stormbolt when we have 2pc 2pc?

strong forum
broken hinge
#

Oh okay, so it’s weird on mobile

#

Thank god lol

real minnow
#

Should i open vault in fury/arms loot spec to get chance of doti trinket? Is there a difference on other armor slots?

blazing condor
#

well fury if you still want 1h

#

usually just open in prot til you have a shield

#

but if you can get it from first boss ez then

waxen frigate
#

First boss is ez clap idk why you’d open prot

#

Or just craft shield

warm plinth
waxen frigate
#

Hhshbden

lime plume
#

Maybe this is a stupid question so sorry in advance if it is but are we using shield block in raid when not actively tanking just for the shield slam damage buff or saving them for active tanking uptime? Or with good play should I have it up 100% of the fight regardless?

blazing condor
#

its a good question

jagged ferry
#

Is it always tier here?

#

Wep has leech on it

strong forum
#

Pick tier

#

A hero weapon you can always farm

polar tinsel
waxen frigate
#

Generally yeah

#

Unless you really want a shield

#

Which, you do ofc

polar tinsel
#

But shield is generally our 3rd craft?

waxen frigate
#

But like idk if it’s worth not just crafting at 486

polar tinsel
#

Gotcha

#

Prot can still roll weapons though, is fury spec mainly for trinkets?

silk sandal
dusky canopy
#

Augury! Eatin good

jagged ferry
#

Should I hol doff on getting a Hero piece to make two set, the only piece I can make tier is 460.

dusky canopy
#

What level* of content are you planning to do this week?

jagged ferry
#

Hoping to push 18's+\

dusky canopy
#

So I would not catalyst anything less then hero track imo

jagged ferry
#

Copy that

#

Cant even use my vault gear

#

Sadge 😦

dusky canopy
#

Well what did you get?

jagged ferry
dusky canopy
#

That’s good! Now just farm a hero track and you’re chillin

jagged ferry
#

Yessir

grand veldt
#

Sometimes I close my eyes and imagine a rage spender that does single target damage instead of revenge

jagged ferry
#

Is there a pin that has our BIS Craftable gear? I cant see anything but I think I read its Wrists and Cape?

dusky canopy
#

Yes

#

Crafted pieces are below ilvl cap this tier

#

So you want them on the lowest stat budget items

#

Wrists/cloak

grand veldt
#

Execute with no health requirements

jagged ferry
#

Which wrists are they? Allied Companionship?

silver narwhal
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Do we open Vault as prot?

dusky canopy
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That or 2 shadow flame

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I went with allied wrists

grand veldt
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I put em on feet

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Womp womp

jagged ferry
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Is there a link to explain? What is shadowflame?

grand veldt
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Its like an item you attach to crafted gear

dusky canopy
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It is an embellishment that can be attached to a crafted armor piece

jagged ferry
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Ah copy

grand veldt
jagged ferry
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Whats the general consensus? 2 Shadowflame is better or?

lusty grotto
dusky canopy
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About even

lusty grotto
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its there

grand veldt
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Shadowflame is the largest of dps increase

dusky canopy
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Slightly more dps from shadow

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Slightly more living from allied

jagged ferry
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Copy that

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Personal preference

lusty grotto
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nah

dusky canopy
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Allied gives you more tanky

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Shadow makes you less tanky

grand veldt
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Honestly I like the haste pants a lot

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So many random fucking things spawn now when shit dies

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And so many boss fights have adds in them

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It's been nice

lusty grotto
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well they are even more dogshit now

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cause not ilvl capped

grand veldt
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Yeah

lusty grotto
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and legs

grand veldt
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How many ilvl s is it now

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3 or 6 or 9 less?

lusty grotto
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3

grand veldt
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I regret nothing

lusty grotto
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489 is max

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you gain more tankiness from 3 ilvls on legs

grand veldt
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I want to live In a world where I can run Into the fray and no enduring defense

lusty grotto
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than in allied bracers

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str / armor / stam

grand veldt
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Yeah I don't disagree

lusty grotto
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and in one of the pieces with highest stat totals

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helm/chest/legs

silver narwhal
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Dooo we open Vault as Protection? Or going for DPS trinkets?

cinder nova
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praying for 4p

silk sandal
cinder nova
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Our BIS ST is signet brand and the fyrakk trinkie

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right

silk sandal
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Do the allied wristguards sim assuming its at max stacks?

austere lava
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The moment you burn your catalyst charge on boots without paying attention and now still don’t have 2pc. Excuse me while I go off my self

cinder nova
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OOOO

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I GOT BRAND LET'S GOOOO

warm plinth
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Hey S

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Fuck you