protection

[cerulean tusk]

Gz

[limpid pawn]

hey for weak auras - I have a print out using /wa pstart and pstop and pprint - where does this get posted so I can get it analyzed?

trying to identify if any weak auras are causing frame rates to drop a lot

[waxen orbit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pPjC3xH2JNntMvRjHVmef9

Do I replace my Beacon with Spores?

It sims at the same p much

But

Idk

[toxic pewter]

i would simply because i am tired of beacon and using beacon

[waxen orbit]

Yeah that's my point

And also in M+

It feels

So awful

To press

Because you're just naked for 3 seconds

[toxic pewter]

yeah i would just let the beacon go to the past

[lilac bloom]

i'm doing heroic nymue.. everytime i try to jump off and drop my bombs i get hit like hard damage.. any tips on that

[waxen orbit]

Spell Block

And also spell reflect every time

[lilac bloom]

i dotn have sb

[waxen orbit]

Save your defensives for that

Then take it

You're hardly sacrificing anything on Nymue taking it tbh

Once it's later in the season and you're geared, you can run without it

But it's actually day 3

[lilac bloom]

by the time i run out.. it killed me

i did do shield block but its 2 late

[waxen orbit]

We can't help you any further than simple basic advice if you don't link any logs or give more details

[lilac bloom]

do i do shield block right away

[waxen orbit]

It's nature damage

Shield block isn't gonna do anything

Spell reflect every time

For 20% DR

Ignore pain

And run spell block

And save Shield Wall for it

You need it for nothing else on this fight

That tankbuster is the only thing that hurts

[warm plinth]

You still need shield block up, to be clear

It's just not directly doing anything for the mechanic.

[winged slate]

Got to have block chance in order to block spells

[lilac bloom]

k

gotcha

[toxic pewter]

its probably the threaded blast.. it hurts

[violet flume]

[solemn current]

With 2pc 2pc do we really want to be running bolster in keys since it's no longer buffing our damage?

[strong forum]

Bolster buffs your SS dmg by 30% with t30 2pc

So it very much still does buff your dmg

[toxic pewter]

watchin a bdk streamer complain about the big dog pack in tott "this is a very dangerous pack for me" LOL

[blazing condor]

Those dogs fuck

[toxic pewter]

he just stood there and tanked it all with zero issues LOL

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-ehrmantraut-mike-better-call-saul-stop-the-fucking-dogs-mike-somebody-stop-the-dogs-mike-mike-stop-the-dogs-gif-26442242

[cosmic wyvern]

fuck the dogs

also is the ouroboreal necklet just worthless for us

or is there a good trinket/effect this season that can proc fire/nature damage

[warm plinth]

uh, what's the purpose of wanting fire/nature damage?

[toxic pewter]

to trigger that crappy neck

its basically a crap item

[urban portal]

shadowflame patch

got nerfed but still ok

[teal swift]

looked kinda cool for pvp

[trim bay]

we

[left basalt]

Just did a 17 Rise at 453, didn't time but felt good

[wild sandal]

do we go haste/crit or haste/vers?

[pallid quiver]

whichever you get

[pallid quiver]

Nome has mentioned that vers and crit are closer in damage potential this patch iirc, and defensively there's not much difference between secondaries at all, so it's not particularly worth stressing over

[finite plaza]

2nd boss Everbloom on +18. everybody fucking dies because our healer has ilvl 448.. 😦

otherwise love that dungeon

[keen vault]

Good morning everyone, for those of us that dont raid, whats the best way to get our tier set? Pray for Vault next week and craft the second piece?

[jagged pier]

nothing to do with ilvl healer just bad

[glass rune]

Have anyone of you already made your first embellished item with the new ilvl token, what did you guys craft if so?

[jagged pier]

bracers

because i got a new shield

so i had to craft somthing with shadowflame

[static aspen]

how much of a dmg increase is 2p in aoe scenario and m+? According to the description it should be skyrocketing the dps and be broken

ah its ST consumption

[haughty swan]

Can dwarfs get rid of dog bleed?

[static aspen]

how do we craft 2nd item? cant seems to be able to get the spark

this week was no sparks?

[winged slate]

This week was half a spark, you'll get another half next week

[kind mirage]

Hey, returning player here. Is there some prefered proffessions for protection warrior ? I'm under the impression that crafting changed a lot since I last played (around BfA)

[median tulip]

Not massively, although Blacksmithing gives you free Repairs

[silent vessel]

while alchemy gives you longer flask duration ;)

tldr doesnt matter pick what you want

[wild sandal]

just wanted to know what to gem for

[opaque quest]

[wild sandal]

isnt sim for damage????????????

[median tulip]

Precise stat arrays Do Not Matter

[kind mirage]

Ok, thanks !

[kind mirage]

This might prove useful indeed. Plus I'm a tauren, so herb + alchemy fits well

[tardy delta]

is prot hard to learn ?

[zealous willow]

prot warr is rly beginer friendly atm

[warm plinth]

If you don't adequately prepare by reading the guide and the resources here, it can be.

[dusky canopy]

I believe it to be fairly beginner friendly at face value yes.
Minmax stuff with the spec isn’t as much

[sick sentinel]

i dont know the timing for the trio boss in everbloom

something about you have to move the boss left and right between the other 2 im not really sure what happened but i screwed up the timing and kicks is all i know

[weary saddle]

is easy

basically one boss is casting interruptible whilst other is casting uninterruptible. so u are standing in the side of the boss whose cast is interruptible. it switches

the 2 bosses alternate

[opaque quest]

Yes. And thats the point. All stats are so close in defensive value that we just sim for dps

The best stat defensively is the one that kills a mob faster. Cause dead = zero dmg

[wild sandal]

alright thanks

[glass sequoia]

Guys how strong is aberrus 4p?

I have 450 aberrus 4p except helm (447 socketed)

and I have a bunch of 467/470 off pieces in all of those slots

[blazing condor]

[dusky canopy]

Yogi, you keep the moveable boss stacked with one of the others until the pools of bad spawn on you. When that happens drag the moveable boss to the other one that doesn’t have pools of bad on the ground

[toxic tiger]

do you guys have any plan for deios on a +20?

i just fall over

[hasty wigeon]

What's considered better the S2 set bonus or +16 to +20 item level upgrades that are some items with mastery / haste?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[sick sentinel]

i'll watch a youtube video on it

[hollow flower]

what settings do you guys use to sim Multi target

[toxic tiger]

anyone?

[warm plinth]

patchwerk 5 target 1:30-3 min w/o lust

[cinder storm]

As a now casual I appreciate a lot the catch up systems they have. As an ex semi hardcore last season I hated it, more incompetent people on the same ilvl bracket

[ashen coral]

Defensive stance, use your cd one by one

When you heal youself, try to time your heals with last stand and rallying cry, you will heal more hp if you get a 30% heal when you have 130% hp max than when you have only 100% hp max

Spell reflect when you have only "weak cd" (spell block only mitigates the move and the first tick so you can use spell reflect at the same time)

Don't forget your shield block, melee are not negligible, and spam ignore pain

And help others with adds, the less the p1 is, the better you'll survive

[jagged pier]

leap

[lilac bloom]

heroic lorador.. when he charge and u go jump to the dark ash.. how u surive the chareg

[jagged pier]

u can outragne the breath

[lilac bloom]

i put a shield wall up.. but the ash i'm standing on hurts

i see a warrior didn't get hit hard.. when he jump out.. but for me.. why i'm getting one shotted by this

i used shield wall.. got my hp to 30%

and the dot kinda finish me off ifi dont have healing pots

i'm 453 ilevel.. is that 2 low for heroic?

got kicked :(

this sux as a prot warrior

[echo egret]

What's that trinket worth ?

it would replace a 441 Mark of Dargrul

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[ashen coral]

Wait really ? Even if there is a cd it's so cool

[strong forum]

One of the worst this xpac

[inland raft]

i kinda want to swap to havoc dh and just be a dps andy but my friends have me stuck in tank prison still. If not raiding any reason not to just craft a shield?

[austere oar]

Is there an importance on which piece you craft to put an embellishment ? I know bracers and cloak is recommended but these are some of my best pieces, I still have 431 boots. So basically is it less efficient to put shadowflame on boots ?

[grizzled nova]

cloak and bracer have the lowest stat allotment so represent the lowest opportunity cost as crafted caps at 486

bracer is also a safe socket target as it'll never get replaced

I wouldn't stress too much about the boots, some will drop eventually, and the bigger waste would be using a spark now and then feeling pressured to use a spark again later on moving an embellish when you get 489 boots

[lament musk]

brh

signet brand is insane

[uneven mason]

quick question because i'm lazy - do the vers bracers count as an embellishment or can they be embellshed?

[austere oar]

Oh okay noted, bracers give less stats so you're less worried about equipping higher ilvl ones

[grizzled nova]

lemme see that bat damage sir

[grizzled nova]

[uneven mason]

letting a ret paladin beat you

[grizzled nova]

ret absolutely pumps pad on bats

[uneven mason]

But it's Critcake

[grizzled nova]

honestly that ret even looks a little low

if a pwar had time to do 25m that ret should've done 50m+ easily

probably being a responsible human and actually killing fel boys instead of spamming storm

what an idiot

[lament musk]

nope

[grizzled nova]

actual doofus ret then

[orchid mural]

Soo, the snapdragons in TotT - is razorjaws supposed to be not blockable u think?

[silent vessel]

i feel like kiting is a good option instead

[lament musk]

i've been sending all def and dps cds then kite

[toxic pewter]

If you have a shaman in your group by chance earth ele pretty helpful on that big dog pack

[chrome falcon]

sorry what the fuck

are DHT bats

i did 17 million damage with 1 spell reflect?

[silent vessel]

[chrome falcon]

need to figure out how to make them all cast on me at once

and reflect the whole pack

[blazing condor]

If it works like usual then you can wait for one to start casting —> aoe stun —> they should all line up

[chrome falcon]

yeah but there's no cast time

they just chomp you

[silent vessel]

the cast comes from the big guy i think

[chrome falcon]

no no the DHT bats

[silent vessel]

oh my bad

[blazing condor]

Ah mb

I managed to line ut up though

So maybe its the same just no cast?

[strong forum]

they cast their bite "randomly"

[lament zealot]

Should I only replace my old tier once I can get 2pc or just replace items as I go?

[strong forum]

and instantly

1-4sec after engaging them

if you can stack them all up on you and shockwave -> SR

then you COULD maybe get all 4

[strong forum]

only replace tier with tier

[violet flume]

Wait you can spell reflect the bat bite?

I missed that from the google doc

[chrome falcon]

this is legit the biggest SR i've seen in ages

no way it was this big in legion

23% of my overall damage in that 21 was on that pack

i think details has to be bugged idk

[strong forum]

nope

it just hits that hard

that dot is absolutely stupid

1 single reflect of 1 dot does several million dmg

[lime geyser]

guys i played arms for the entire s2 and just switched prot to play with my group, i have few questions, all of them related to M+ (i never tanked with warrior before)

• do you always stay in defensive stance?
• ww is used at all or you just spam ip?
• is there a weakaura that tracks the percentage of ip so that i avoid to cap it over its limit?

[chrome falcon]

at the level of keys you're doing you probably never def stance

unbind ww

do not bother tracking IP

overcapping is fine

IP is mostly there to reduce CD of SW/avatar

and fuel outburst/indom

[lime geyser]

ok thanks 👍

[chrome falcon]

also

log your runs

you'll probably do a lot wrong

[sick sentinel]

do i change my talents for keys while i still have 4/4 season 2

cuz, its probably gunna remain that way for a few weeks

[hardy snow]

if you have old tier, why would you want to change talents that were build for old tier?

[sick sentinel]

spell block mostly

i dont have a feasible point to get it and bolster since i think you also want bolster? i dunno

feels fine with the other build and i have both builds saved, just

[hardy snow]

just like you could do in S2 - drop bloodsurge for spellblock

[sick sentinel]

last key i ran and depleted was this https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVEUFVYVVQCRE

it wasn't because of any wrong talents i did the boss wrong

i always drop intimidating shout (for bounding) , its cursed chaos button

imo*

[frigid urchin]

hi, I have a question for iridikron in murozonds rise: When I get hit by the fronta, I get this dot that nearly kills me. I mitigate the first one with shieldwall, but what do I do when SW is on CD?

[strong forum]

huh

you mean last deios or w/e his name is

not iridikron

[frigid urchin]

ah yes, sorry

the last boss

[strong forum]

you can heroic leap it

not every single one, obviously

[frigid urchin]

okay, I'll try that.

[strong forum]

by heroic leap i mean away from the boss, outranging it

so dont try to "sidestep" it

[frigid urchin]

other than that I can only spam ignore pain and hope for an external from my healer?

[frigid urchin]

yes, the frontal follows

[jagged pier]

thats why u leap in a line

away

[strong forum]

yeah, sit in D-stance, use all CDs available, not all at once obviously

its an absolutely brutal downright unfair boss

[frigid urchin]

okay, I had the same feeling in the last run 😄

[blazing condor]

Havent done it on a high key but being able to outrange every other helps

Get sw rolling and then just jumping / spell block

And pray

[frigid urchin]

outranging it is good advice, I did not think of that

thank you all ❤️

[sick sentinel]

im hearing there is some half life 1 updates due to the anniversary of that

[strong forum]

oldgamer83 coming thru

[sick sentinel]

im gunna have to check that out, doom #1 love, wow #2 hal life #3 (release hl3 gaben)

i've been considering changing the name for a while now

[orchid mural]

anyone know if Xavius -DHT - his nightmare bolt is reflectable if you intervene his target and hit reflect? worked that way in legion, haven't played enuf to see

[sick sentinel]

death is too fucking 20 year old edgy boy, but its the original, that, and let's be real, its not very creative is it

i had the same issue identity crisis or some shit when i joined discord in 2017-18 somethin

[vocal nimbus]

how much ahead pulls flame weapon enchant compared to sophic devotion?

[strong forum]

wafting is better

[vocal nimbus]

wafting? 🤔

[sick sentinel]

for keys? wafting?

i know that burning is a healer exclusive enchant

[strong forum]

wafting is haste proc

best for ST and aoe

[chrome falcon]

ugh no way the stupid waycrest weapon is 1.5k more dps on patchwerk

kms

[sick sentinel]

really, interesing, even for haste time lord such as my self

43% passive haste

(do have a haste rune)

[balmy narwhal]

I know this is not a weakaura discord but can someone help me out with this lua error I keep getting when I mouse over teammates in m+

Message: Lua error in aura 'Core/Settings': Trigger 1
WeakAuras Version: 5.8.6
Aura Version: 1.6.2
[string "return function(event, unitId, countdown)"]:27: attempt to call field 'GetPlayerName' (a nil value)
Time: Sat Nov 18 13:07:45 2023
Count: 12194
Stack: Lua error in aura 'Core/Settings': Trigger 1
WeakAuras Version: 5.8.6
Aura Version: 1.6.2
[string "return function(event, unitId, countdown)"]:27: attempt to call field 'GetPlayerName' (a nil value)
[string "=[tsm error check]"]:1: in main chunk
[string "=(tail call)"]: ?
[string "@Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/WeakAuras.lua"]:111: in function GetPlayerName' [string "return function(event, unitId, countdown)"]:27: in function <[string "return function(event, unitId, countdown)"]:1> [string "=[C]"]: in function xpcall'
[string "@Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:718: in function <Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua:627>
[string "@Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:867: in function ScanEventsInternal' [string "@Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:821: in function ScanEvents'
[string "@Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua"]:1066: in function <Interface/AddOns/WeakAuras/GenericTrigger.lua:1051>

Locals:

[sick sentinel]

i wish took linux at times like this, whenever i see a screen like this of errors

[balmy narwhal]

lol

[sick sentinel]

could have been the worlds greatest technicians

based

[strong forum]

I mean looks like the weakaura "core/settings" is faulty

Or your WA addon is outdated

[teal swift]

How is this based

It's going to do two things:

Cash grab from goblins who havnt spent money since legion

Make botters pay $15 per account extra

Like its just a cash grab

[sick sentinel]

if the intention is to remove bots thats a pretty big wall

[hardy snow]

how is it cash grab if they want someone to pay 13$ for 30 days instead of via token that someone pays 20$ for?

[teal swift]

Immediate funds

Shove as much as they can into this quarter idk

[hardy snow]

thats the only real reason for that I think

[teal swift]

I'm just confused.

The choice of 2017.

The pushing of this after many goblins bought 12 months for mount, and the ww xpac

[sweet surge]

How many stacks before taunt swap on Volcoross? HC

[teal swift]

This only really increases cost of bots.

And it feels dishonest to be like "we are making it a better market for players. 👍 we are looking to improve the integrity"

[hardy snow]

you taunt during cataclysm jaw cast

so you take tankbuster without stacks

because stacks increase dmg from jaws

[teal swift]

Would be nice if they were just honest. And not using weird terms.

We want bots to spend $15 at least once.

We want to ensure as many of our players input credit card details because it's proven, that people who have a saved payment method are more likely to impulse spend in the future. Much like how gacha games bait you with 99% off $1 packs.

Like, I think it's cool, that bot farm cost will go up. But the other portion seems weird.

This is coming from someone who has never redeemed a token for wow gold l, to buy myself time or an xpac.

(I did sell keys to buy OW loot boxes via tokens tho lul)

[keen glade]

Too much tinfoil hat theories here lol...

[bronze locust]

Was recently in normal, the boss didn't turn around at all during the cast and it killed my cotank. Is it okay to taunt right before Cataclysm Jaws, too?

[teal swift]

How is that tinfoil hat

It's literally business, and you've seen this in increasing amounts over the last 6+ years

[hardy snow]

yes, even if you take it with 1 stack, its still better than taking it with 5 or 6 😄

[sweet surge]

ty

[keen glade]

They ban 100k+ bots n cheats a month... A bot account doesn't last long so for them to pay a sub with actual money is just not gonna happen for most bots... Also they tend to shuffle gold around from one account to the next to the next because they don't want it to centralise on one for exactly this purpose

[teal swift]

The short of it:

They are making a change that requires people to make a purchase where they didn't before.

[teal swift]

Bots are banned in longer cycles than thism

[keen glade]

This increases the barrier of entry and as a result that is a threshold many bot runners will not want to pay because it will stop being profitable if they get banned more than they can earn in that time

[teal swift]

You can run a bot for 2-4 months before being banned.

They've handled the batch banning of bots, the same way since wotlk.

[keen glade]

Not exactly

[bronze locust]

All right. Suppose my cotank might have taunted just before me, but I can't see any other reason the boss didn't land his jaws cast on me

[keen glade]

But tbh this ain't the forum for not talk

But just remember that a token gives them more money for someone playing 30 days than someone actually paying for 30 days

[teal swift]

It actually doesn't. Upfront cost yes. Once. They lose a whole $5-7 depending on region.

But the trick here is, it's a loss leader. The goal is likely to get payment details input. Because this will increase your profit margin

Why do you think gacha games offer you that insane starter deal

99% off this $380 pack!!!!

Only $4

It's because people are impulsive. They likely ran it like it was actuarial science, and figured it was more likely to increase revenue than to lose.

Keep in mind, needing to buy a single sub, is at most a loss of the difference between a month sub and a token.

And the gain is, more impulse purchases.

Due to timing it would not be unreasonable to see predatory sales happen in Dec / Jan.

Fomo one time only Christmas mounts!

Or something along those lines to immediately capitalize on the new system.

it's just normal business in this era.

But there is a next to 0 chance that this wasn't considered and a contributing factor.

[gilded scroll]

are we crafting the versatility bracers or the shadowflame bracers ?

[nova rover]

Question: For the rezan's trinket do I have to be in DPS spec

[jagged pier]

ye

[jagged pier]

shadow

[sick sentinel]

why arent we crafting shield and weapon first

or, some of us

[nova rover]

thanks!

[gilded scroll]

for m+ and for raid ?

[sick sentinel]

shield is most important isnt it

[jagged pier]

yes

[gilded scroll]

alright ty :)

[strong forum]

Cuz they'll be replaced quite easily

And you can get 483 from m+

Crafted is only 3ilvl higher, you want to craft an item you won't replace

Which is embellishs

[sick sentinel]

shield is embellish : shadowflame patch

[strong forum]

But then you're wasting stats and will have to craft another embellish later

[teal swift]

Lowest value slots are cape and wrists, ideally craft in those slots

[sick sentinel]

well whats the replacement embellish

some new shield? seperat craft, i must be missing something

[teal swift]

Myth track shield

[sick sentinel]

myth track is same or higher than crafyed aspect r5?

[teal swift]

Higher

Myth track is 489

Hero track is 483

Crafted is 486

[sick sentinel]

okay, and i have to do a 20 to get a myth, or a 17 rather i think, 16?

[teal swift]

18 for vault

Which is tuned pretty easy, people are doing it 20-30 ilvl lower than where you can be in a couple weeks

[sick sentinel]

i think its 20 is the max myth, 17 is aspects, 16 drops myth 1/3 track

[teal swift]

No

[tawdry prism]

does demo shout generate threat?

[teal swift]

17, 18, 19, 20, end of dungeon hero track

18, 19, 20, vault myth track

[sick sentinel]

ah, i just have trouble learning the wod and legion dungeon routes atm, i have to fail mechanics before i learn them

[teal swift]

I understand having to do them, but why do you have to fail them?

[lyric cape]

No demo shout doesn't generate threat you need damage or healing for it

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i can't comprehende things easily on paper many times

how it actually plays out

[teal swift]

That doesn't mean you have to fail them

To learn them

???

[tawdry prism]

@lyric cape ty

[teal swift]

Does it not generate 5-10 threat based on debuff applications, when did this change

Buff and debuff applications have historically had small amounts of threat generated by them, even without damage

[strong forum]

It does

[teal swift]

@strong forum need your theorycrafting knowledge

[strong forum]

But that's not rly relevant

[teal swift]

Lmao, okay, sorry for ping

[strong forum]

It stems from the rage generated

Conq banner also generated threat

[lyric cape]

Ah right thanks good to know

[strong forum]

But only 4

[teal swift]

Yeah, completely irrelevant amounts

But still there

[lyric cape]

Y one dps auto will probably insta overagro

[strong forum]

Anything

[teal swift]

Yeah, maybe druid mark won't pull off of it

Like 5-10 threat is actually so incredibly small, the only implication is, that your threat isn't at 0

[toxic pewter]

anyone know if i need to be in melee range for ozumat

and if yes what happens if i leave melee range

[strong forum]

Don't think ozumat itself does anything

If you mean the elemental in the center

If you leave melee range it starts casting a ranged spell at you

[toxic pewter]

yeah i mean the main boss guy

ok

does it target me or my party

[strong forum]

Tank

[toxic pewter]

ok thx

sometimes i have trouble collecting the adds

[drifting river]

have your dps bring them to you

[sick sentinel]

this correct strat for council ever bloom, so i dont wipe my party to it again

[toxic pewter]

lol

[toxic pewter]

just had a tott run where kicks were horrendous..

people must think i am a pally or somethin

cuz they werent kicking shit

[daring marlin]

[toxic pewter]

[sick sentinel]

@candid path He LOVES throne i heard

he thinks its just swell

[silent vessel]

yogi if your meeles arent stupid they can premove away from boss when the boss jumps on you

so you dont get green puddles beneath caster boss

not a puggable strategy though, cause they will be stupid

then you can just permatank next to green caster dude, let blue caster dude cast and you just move out on jumps

in dorkis words

[tame jasper]

@strong forum is 2+2 so string that we should use catalyst this week for it? Have no more changes to get more set pieces this ID

would be chest with avoidance on hero-trac I would put in catalyst

[strong forum]

it is really strong, but i would wait until i had 2 dropped pieces

before you send token/catalyst

cuz you can jump straight to 4pc when you have 2 raid drops

if you catalyst now, you can run into getting duplicate drops

[tame jasper]

okay, thanks for your estimate

yearh sure

[teal swift]

@strong forum throne of tides, ozu hallway

How do we do this lmao

It's always so fucking scuffed to hell

[tame jasper]

pull slowly tbh

1st: 1st goblin grp

2: 2nd gobling grp or 1st elemental

3rd: the other one

[teal swift]

We are

[tame jasper]

4th: the 2nd elemental

[teal swift]

We still wipe lmao

[tame jasper]

5: goblin grp

6: double ele

[teal swift]

Hallway eats like 8 minutes and we barely time

Lul

[winged slate]

Try to drop stacks before pulling the swell mobs

If you kill 6000 of the little guys you'll take like 4x damage from swell and you're boned

[toxic pewter]

yeah if your group actually does prio damage to the ele instead of nuking the little dudes it helps a lot with not getting too many stacks

[untold tangle]

is it worth loosing old 4pc over a 19+ item level increase?

[strong forum]

no

When do i replace T30 Tier?
You only replace Tierset with Tierset.
So the progression path goes:
T30 4pc -> T30 2pc+T31 2pc -> T31 4pc

You dont replace old tierpieces with just itemlevel upgrades.

[toxic pewter]

anyone know if wrecking throw any good against fyrakk

[strong forum]

it works against the shield yes

[toxic pewter]

ok gonna use it i think

[short veldt]

best resource people have found for updated routes?

[jagged pier]

w

press w

[woven laurel]

does anyone have the spreadsheet of everything thats reflect and spell blockable for season 3 m+?

[jagged pier]

[woven laurel]

ty

[uneven mason]

☝️
Literally this season is "walk forward"

[woven laurel]

whats the best way to deal with the snap dragons in throne of tides

[uneven mason]

Cry

Stun/leap out

hope they didn't tage you more than once

[woven laurel]

only adds ive had any issue with so far

[uneven mason]

yup

that pack before first boss

[woven laurel]

brutal

[uneven mason]

pure toxic

I had 18 stacks because I tried to be in melee for 2s without a stop

😍

[woven laurel]

not a dwarf lol

[uneven mason]

sucks to be you

[woven laurel]

fr

would bitter immunity work?

[uneven mason]

NOPE

They took the bleeds off that

in beta

because they hate us

[woven laurel]

damn

[uneven mason]

bring a prevoker

is another solution

Or like I said, pull, shockwave, Clap Roar - GTFO

its legit that one pull

You could probably make a use case for BSV...

[toxic pewter]

so sick of ripping threat from other tanks that dont do good damage

[uneven mason]

This is #protection we press buttons

anytime my co tank would yell at me about aggro i'd be like WHYDON"T YOU PRESS BUTTONS!

[toxic pewter]

it never fails against bdk's for me..

like i rip off bdk every day of the week

[uneven mason]

well BDK is a bit behind ST ya?

that's just the nature of the beast

in AE they're stronk but ST still "eh?"

[sick sentinel]

do you guys approve of this for keys i wonder

[uneven mason]

what am I looking at

[sick sentinel]

i probably wont have 4 set until like week 3

week 4

[silent vessel]

looks ok

[uneven mason]

its fine

I haven't hit a point where I need Splock yet

hoping I don't until after I get some new tier and can say bye bye to Bolster again

[untold tangle]

ty

[desert blaze]

I am kinda new to tanking, Just curious if this is a me issue or a dps issue. I was really struggling to keep aggro on group pulls from a ret pala. I would try everything but couldn't get aggro, some stages he did 200k - 300k burst damage

[sullen gust]

I'm not the greatest warrior on here by any means but thats close to what I run.
Personally the only change that might be super useful for you is picking up int shout in the class tree. Having a CC to interrupt big packs and use on incorporeal for example is pretty useful, to get it I drop pain and gain, but you can opt to drop bounding strides if you prefer

On the spec tree I opt out of show of force and swap it to thunderlord but again, that's kinda up to your taste I think. Overall good my dude

[frosty mango]

What is your Ilvl, you should be pulling similar numbers

Maybe not 300k but on a large burst pull you should be doing more than enough to hold threat unless there’s a massive gear disparity

[desert blaze]

ilvl 445 at the moment

I don't 70k overall for the dungeon, the pala done 186k overall

[strong forum]

you got any kind of logs

70k overall for 445ilvl is really low

[desert blaze]

i don't log sorry

[frosty mango]

Which dungeon is this?

[desert blaze]

TOTT +7

[frosty mango]

186k is healthy for overall

Yeah at 445 you should have no issue

For large packs ravager alone with thunderclap is probably enough

[desert blaze]

I don't have tier atm, if dps is low, i am assuming i am speccing wrong? Been focusing on Haste and Vers, should it be more crit?

[frosty mango]

It’s more likely a spec/play issue

[charred ivy]

is there a spell reflect WA yet? 🙂

[cosmic wyvern]

I'm really tempted to break my 4 set just to equip higher ilvl, because I have two hero track pieces

would that be a terrible idea

[sullen gust]

With the reworking of vfx for old covenant abilities (and assuming blizz buff it to the point it might actually be viable and seen), what would you make spear of bastion into? I could fuck with a "planting the banner" aesthetic where you stab a flag into the ground and shit.

[strong forum]

you can do what you want, but losing 4pc aint all that hot

[cosmic wyvern]

it'd be going from 447 -> 470 (further upgradeable) for helm (and the new one has a socket too)

and 450->467 for shoulders (also further upgradeable)

[strong forum]

can just sim it

but i seriously doubt its an upgrade

[cosmic wyvern]

for survival's sake though

[chilly brook]

What do you need a helm for survival

[cosmic wyvern]

it may be a dps downgrade but for higher keys, especially this week, the ilvl would probably provide more DR

[chilly brook]

You got all the extra survival you need in one button

Called defensive stance

[cosmic wyvern]

nah I mean, changing out the two pieces increases my hp by more than 5% so it's gonna be more effective defensively than 4set

[strong forum]

thats cope

[chilly brook]

Not to mention 4 piece do be a survival gain anyways

[chilly brook]

Oh is it?

[strong forum]

thats an irrelevant amount of surv

[chilly brook]

Considering 4pc is a straight up 5% damage reduction lol

[cosmic wyvern]

yeah I go from about 960k to 1m hp when replacing them

[strong forum]

like i said before, you can swap it out

but its not the best play

[chilly brook]

Just run 4 pc until it doesn’t sim ahead

If you think you need survival go into defensive stance

You don’t lose nearly as much from being in d stance as you used to

[toxic pewter]

losing 4 pc for ilvl is not the move, also lose out on 5% dr

[normal rampart]

I think they mean by failing you see the whole mechanic and the consequences, whereas if you see it and are successful, you might be ok but still not fully understand the whole thing and it’s impact

[toxic pewter]

all the gear im getting has no haste im slow as hell over here lmao

[bronze locust]

Is it just me or does the camera max distance feel really short in Amirdrassil?

[sick sentinel]

small key, figured out the council,

dont want to do it on tyranical

[toxic pewter]

just inspected a dude using sonic boom instead of 1h specialization.. yikes..

[sick sentinel]

i do like hitting my shockwave button

thats a good button

[toxic pewter]

yeah but 1h specialization is too good of a talent to not take

[sick sentinel]

if i could take shockwave talents i would

but its a dps loss among other things

[teal swift]

Is leech always this bad?

[sick sentinel]

you know why eh

its cuz he sees 350% dmg, and x 2 (crit always im sorry, same effect)

so he sees's 700% dmg

did he have a massive amount of critical gear on i wonder

[silent vessel]

nice 👍

[sick sentinel]

hunter ninja pulled that boss when i was trying to ask for help what to do for the fight

so, we wiped once

[silent vessel]

classic hunter move

[sick sentinel]

i just wasn't prepared to get aggro and do the things

[silent vessel]

yeah not your fault dw

[deft widget]

For M+ does Infurious Warboots of Impunity works for us?

[median tulip]

I've done it on a 15, but I am NOT looking forward to Tyr, not one bit

[toxic pewter]

a lot of these dungeons gonna be rought on tyr

[drifting river]

what do I do against the dragons in TotT?

[sick sentinel]

3rd boss throne tyranical

callin it now

spikes mostly

[minor sundial]

guys should i give up my S2 set bonus for a lot bigger ilvl chest and legs?

[median tulip]

If you have a Shaman or a Druid, use their taunt pets to soak the bleeds. Otherwise, use as much hard stop control as possible and make sure your DPS have available CDs for the pull. You should also LOS pull the side pack that you are pulling the dogs from to get them out of the way first.

[sick sentinel]

no

[minor sundial]

thank you

[median tulip]

Only drop old tier bonus for new tier bonus

[sick sentinel]

Nomeratur, parrygodx — Today at 15:42
no
When do i replace T30 Tier?
You only replace Tierset with Tierset.
So the progression path goes:
T30 4pc -> T30 2pc+T31 2pc -> T31 4pc

You dont replace old tierpieces with just itemlevel upgrades.

[drifting river]

I just got absolutely destroyed in a +20 TotT. I had 0 chance of living packs with these dogs...

[sick sentinel]

bro

5 procs total of that trinket in an entire run

for a grand total of 10 seconds of silence

[warm plinth]

Blizz was like they're upset about basilisks? Hold my beer.

[warm plinth]

show the interrupts chart

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't think details is tracking it properly

[sick sentinel]

really didnt want that dancing thorns going through i see

[warm plinth]

Look at a log

You're saying it had 5 procs but it's only showing once on the interrupt tracker so

(it shows on interrupts as Arcane Torrent, fyi)

In my experience using the trinket in Legion, it basically procs on cooldown as long as there's magic damage coming at you

[sick sentinel]

it was 88% sb up time, probably mediocre blocked hits

[warm plinth]

I'm not talking about shield block. I'm talking about seeing how many times the trinket actually procced

[strong forum]

In legion it was 1 ppm

They upped it's proc chance

[sick sentinel]

i might not have a log

[strong forum]

It's just super fucking rare

For it to actually interrupt

[sick sentinel]

changed directories of wow so stuffs a bit janky

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's why we never actually cared to use it outside of Shade

But you know how yogi is, he's gotta get every useless trinket

[sick sentinel]

the game decided i should have it

i just ran the dungeon and it gave it to me

[warm plinth]

So you wouldn't have farmed it at some point?

[jagged gust]

I figure in a 1v1 it's a pretty neat trinket to have in pvp

[sick sentinel]

probably not

[warm plinth]

sus

[sick sentinel]

like, it looks like a bait item anyways

versa with no dmg

like, hello,

no healing either

[warm plinth]

we've told you explicitly that other trinkets were bait or garbage, and you farmed them anyway.

[jagged gust]

I'm not joking when I say I already have every m+ trinket already, who needs to farm when you're cursed

[sick sentinel]

spore pods and tree mouth same story i just got them

[warm plinth]

well you have a lot of choices

[sick sentinel]

i have these

[jagged gust]

No argent dawn commission?

[sick sentinel]

i need to run 1 key where i use the grapnel

before its damage is overshadowed by other crap

every single other of those trinkets i have used in minimum 1 key

[jagged gust]

I was getting some weird interaction with it, got me killed twice in an ulda. Not sure if it was some sort of server lag or personal ms issue or what but it would proc like 2-3 seconds after casting and just rocket me into the middle of the fire boss and yeet me into a laser beam lmao

[sick sentinel]

i dont understand why that trinket says "cant occur more than once every 20 seconds and then its a 1 minute cd

thats just like a striaght up lying to me

[warm plinth]

It's not lying. It WAS 1ppm in Legion

It is one of the few trinkets that is not ppm anymore. It's a 40% chance to proc whenever it's not on its internal cooldown of 20 seconds.

[sick sentinel]

any idea if it activates on dots?

[warm plinth]

No. It has only had one use case the entire time it has existed, and I never had it so.

[sick sentinel]

well, its ilvl, and versa, for now.

so, ill use it till i can get a better replacement

if its still bad at that point ill never use it again

13 atal tommorrow

[median tulip]

They are fuckin horrific, make no mistake about that. Personally I'd probably kite the fuck out of them. I suspect that the bleed is double dipping on the fort bonus, but we'll know for sure next week.

[steady stag]

Do you guys have any advice on how to pull the gauntlet in BRH (bat staircase), im having a bit of trouble with it on higher keys - is there a trick to it, or does it just require good interrupts

[warm plinth]

I've only done up to like a 16 but we've just been doing one dominator at a time because coordinating 2 kicks per dominator in pugs is a nightmare

[steady stag]

I think pulling one at a time is a good move as well, but pugs keep yelling at me to pull everything since "its a gauntlet and they keep spawning"

Im newish to keys as well so open to advice

[median tulip]

Yeah same. Bring a big AoE DPS along so you don't get swamped in bats. My current regular static has a Fury warrior that does some acceptable bat genocide up to +17 so far.

[warm plinth]

People think they can just do everything the same way as Legion right out of the gate

I'm sure at some point people will start doing the entire gauntlet at once again, but I've watched so many people get insta-gibbed by bats before we can even make it to the top due to the sic bats

Yes they will keep spawning but it won't be as many as going to the top right away

[median tulip]

The spiders are worse than the bats

[warm plinth]

Yeah I've had to split that too. I usuallyh do the big group and then the last 2 smallies and the big one with the patrol at the top

[median tulip]

On the bats have your healer stay close so the bats get clipped by AoE a lot. Biggest issue I had was bats going past me and not having the chance the hit them.

[warm plinth]

biggest issue I had was sic bats going off and someone just getting blinked out of existence

I feel like sic bats should be kickable too

and fel frenzy needs a longer cd so 1 melee kick can do it

[median tulip]

Well if you fuck that up then I can't help you

[broken hinge]

Acceptable bat genocide would be a sick band name

[warm plinth]

fuck what up?

[median tulip]

🤘

[median tulip]

The interrupt. It's just tank and melee swapping.

[warm plinth]

No I'm saying if they made sic bats kickable as well

then they would need to increase felfrenzy cd so it was single kickable

[median tulip]

Sic bats being a huge problem generally means that you don't have enough Cleave tbh

See: Acceptable Bat Genocide

[steady stag]

Thanks for the tips guys (and sick band names), seems like the move is to go one at a time in pugs

[median tulip]

Eventueel we will have enough gear to gigapull it on 20s

But week 1 is not that week

[median tulip]

So for the time being the advice is to do one at a time and bring enough Cleave

[dim coral]

So context Im currently 1958 io, most dungeons not much is really hurting, but the 2nd boss in DHT when he does the tank grab fucking owns, is this a common experience?

[strong forum]

You have SW for every 2nd grab

[dim coral]

Right so SW, Last stand, SW, boss should be dead?

[strong forum]

And can prolly rotate IV + Demo into the other, + prolly still have LS for every other aswell

[median tulip]

Shield Wall first, Pain Suppression 2nd is how I've been handling it

[strong forum]

And make sure to leap every nightmare breath

So you don't have to use a cd for that

[dim coral]

Wait what IV or Demo?

[strong forum]

Impending victory

[dim coral]

Im shit with acronyms

[strong forum]

Demo shout

[dim coral]

Ah yes

[strong forum]

Don't forget defensive stance either

[dim coral]

Ah huge

[dim coral]

Dw Dstance is up

Nah my healer was a Resto shammy

[strong forum]

Resto sham should be able to just spam you through it then

Instead of CDs just raw hps

[median tulip]

This season actually does require more frequent use of Defensive Stance

[strong forum]

For now

[waxen orbit]

So

[median tulip]

True

[waxen orbit]

what do I craft

?

Shadowflame belt?

[strong forum]

Bracers/cloak

[median tulip]

I wouldn't craft anything until after reset

[strong forum]

Like most I've had to use d-stance was 30% of a key so far in a 20

But im still only 449

[dim coral]

Im just using D-stance for everything

Ik its not perfect, but also I find we time the key if we dont die

so

[median tulip]

I'm 454 (with S2 4pc) and there's certain boss abilities I D Stance for. Deios's breath, for example.

[dim coral]

im 464 S3 2 set

[median tulip]

Big pulls, the bleed Snapdragons in Thott

[median tulip]

Do you not have S2 4pc?

[dim coral]

I do

is S2 4pc better than 2+2?

[median tulip]

Use that

Oh you have 2+2?

[dim coral]

yes

[median tulip]

Oh fine

[dim coral]

Phew

panicked for a sec

[median tulip]

Sorry, I misread, I thought you were dropping set for ilvl

[dim coral]

no no

So far the only issues ive come across are that DHT one
Dogs in ToTT
The sand area in Rise just hurts
Deios and his ads just fucking destroy my health bar

[median tulip]

Deios is a twat

[strong forum]

Everyone struggles with those

Not a problem unique to us

[dim coral]

Deios im fucking fighting for my god damn life man holy hell

[pallid quiver]

deios wouldn't be half as bad if the adds didn't just go "hey you want some extra damage on top of that chunky dot?"

it hurts

it hurts a lot boss

[median tulip]

The sand area in Rise, just pull the ones that do the breath solo. Those are the actual problem

[waxen orbit]

Yeah Deios needs to be nerfed

Tbh

[dim coral]

Yeah they fuck

[waxen orbit]

VDH is fine there but

VDH is a horrible standard to compare to

[median tulip]

Deios next week is going to be hell

[waxen orbit]

I'm straight up not gonna waste my time there without a healer with some nuts

[dim coral]

I imagine blood would be ok, due to how generically good blood typically is into magic damage

[pallid quiver]

You can do funny stuff with DPS taunting adds and all on Deios to do some funny kinds of reducing damage on you

[cosmic wyvern]

anyone here done heroic larodar yet

[dim coral]

Also how funny is it that the entire set of trash after 3rd boss in BRH does 0 damage to prot

[cosmic wyvern]

I just cleared it in a pug and I was taking extremely heavy damage from the charges

[dim coral]

can pull the entire set and just face tank it

[median tulip]

The adds are hard stopable iirc

[pallid quiver]

It's easier to play, and they can just entirely negate a breath dot with AMS, but they can't negate as many breaths as Warrior can and they risk getting globalled when it gets hard enough

By easier to play, I mean easier in the fight to use its tool kit

[dim coral]

Wait how are we negating breaths

[pallid quiver]

You can outrange breath

So you just leap out

[dim coral]

oh my god

fuck me

[pallid quiver]

If you have bounding stride, you can leap out of every other

It requires you to have enough space to do so,

[median tulip]

All the dudes on the stairs?

[dim coral]

ye

[pallid quiver]

which can be difficult if your group demands you give them the fuck ton of space in the room because they need it for reasons

So it's harder to setup and manage than "press anti-breath dot button"

[dim coral]

yeah and then should have CDs/stuff for the other ones

[median tulip]

Yeah, those guys are a joke. The only reason I don't pull all 12 is Sanguine

[warm plinth]

It's cool because it lets us laugh at our groupmates for getting stunned repeatedly

[cosmic wyvern]

does larodar's charge just hit us really hard especially since we don't have wall up for each one

or was I doing something wrong

[dim coral]

Certainly feels to me, outside of certain individual bosses/packs, that overall tank damage has not been high enough

[pallid quiver]

how far away you movin' boss

[dim coral]

Multiple different abilities that are supposed to be tank threatening moves, just do almost nothing constantly

[cosmic wyvern]

damage didn't seem to vary much based on movement. I took him super far and still nearly got oneshot without shield wall

[median tulip]

Reduces damage the further you are from the boss. It's worth standing in the fire to reduce the charge damage imex

[cosmic wyvern]

yeah I was

[dim coral]

Also what in the class tree is worth dropping for bounding stride

[cosmic wyvern]

ran incredibly far out and still sometimes hit me for 90% of my health

[cosmic wyvern]

pain and gain

[median tulip]

I got to +16 WCM before I remembered that setting the wickerman boss on fire was a thing

[dim coral]

This is current, took 1 point outta crushing force to take menace for the knockback, where else do I drop a point then

[median tulip]

Are you getting hit in the back? I think it's blockable

[waxen orbit]

It is

Yea it hits hard

Just prep your defensives for it

[potent moth]

Got a feeling you also get double dipped on that ability

[median tulip]

Why Menace?

[warm plinth]

Menace for the knockback? huh?

[waxen orbit]

If you struggle too much, run Spell Block to triage and bandaid it if it's really bottlenecking your prog

[potent moth]

tbh you get runover by him + tank dmg

[pallid quiver]

Do also note you should also have spell reflect for it to reduce the fire damage portion

Since the main charge has fire damage and the outburst that hits everyone also hits you, so there's a lot of fire damage coming in

[median tulip]

This is a good point

[pallid quiver]

also, the physical charge is not blockable, iirc, and from what I'm seeing looking at Sense's log of the fight on Heroic

[potent moth]

wasn't a good pull for mitigation slept on that on

but still the 2 instances fo furious charge are weird

[dim coral]

Cause I dont trust other people to knock shit outta sanguine

[potent moth]

Furious outburst is the AoE Raidwide fire portion

[pallid quiver]

There's the physical damage and fire damage on the charge alone

You get hit by two abilities with fire

Outburst hits everyone,

Charge's fire only hits you

[median tulip]

Ok fair, not a problem I have, but I have the advantage of a static

[potent moth]

Oh I see, but still with spellblock up it shouldn't hit like a truck

[pallid quiver]

So you're getting hit with 3 types of damage when you get charged, those being Furious Charge physical, Furious Charge Fire, and Outburst Fire

I don't believe you can spellblock the charge damage

[potent moth]

nvm not blockable 😄

[pallid quiver]

Sense's sheet doesn't even have outburst on it, now that I'm looking at it, but I assume you also can't block that since I haven't seen a log where it's been blocked

[potent moth]

yeah, afterwards I planned out my SW and everything was more or less fine

still chunky dmg coming in there

[cosmic wyvern]

wait other people were also being double hit by it?

might be a bug then

[pallid quiver]

actually, he had spell block on and didn't block outburst, so it didn't hit

[pallid quiver]

no

[potent moth]

it's not double hit, those are mutliple instances of the dmg

[pallid quiver]

Furious Charge hits you for physical and fire damage

[potent moth]

fire dmg, phys dmg and aoe fire raid wide dmg

[pallid quiver]

And then you get another ability that hits you being the aoe fire damage

[cosmic wyvern]

idk i might just be bad then

[pallid quiver]

So in logs, there's three inputs

Also, you should D Stance every last one since you're not even doing damage while running away

[potent moth]

dw beginning of this tier is rough, I guess

alot of spell dmg sources in the raid as well as in m+

[pallid quiver]

Sense on average got smacked for about 460-500k on average, so some lower, some higher, I'd wager

which is not a small amount, but livable

huh, he only even shield walled 1 charge

[potent moth]

Larodar is fine, when you have SW + D stance

[pallid quiver]

Out of the 4 he took

[potent moth]

Externals?

[pallid quiver]

Probably

[potent moth]

I mean you survive even without it

tho you need instance heal attention afterwards

[pallid quiver]

He did spell reflect all of them, I think

[median tulip]

You should be able to SW + D Stance + Spell Reflect all of them, right?

[pallid quiver]

I think they come like every 40 seconds or something that you have to take

[median tulip]

Or can you only SW every other one?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's like roughly every 40-ish

So every other

40s to a minute, so if you're lucky you can back to back

[potent moth]

every other checks out

[median tulip]

Could always talent Immovable Object for that fight

If you're having issues

[violet flume]

Never used immovable object, what is the effectiveness of shield wall triggered by avatar?

[strong forum]

4sec of SW

[violet flume]

ok thats pretty good on demand shieldwall

[strong forum]

theoretically yes

[median tulip]

Which is absolutely fine for a specific single high damage ability like that charge

I wouldn't use it everywhere, but it exists for a reason, and that kind of boss ability is where it shines

[violet flume]

yeah

losing other node hurts so i wouldnt want to specced that way 24/7 for sure

[median tulip]

Oh absolutely. Unstoppable Force is great. But it's very strongly advantageous in multi-target environments, while IO is a much narrower use case ability.

[hardy snow]

using immo object to have shield wall from avatar is not only lose of talent point, but also you have to hold avatar so its ready when you need it, and thats bad

[sleek current]

Regarding the Larodar stuff. Taking the charge... I didn't find problematic it was the ticking damage from being outside the arena. How are you guys dealing with that?

[median tulip]

I don't really care about my DPS in raids tbh. Not compared to surviving, anyway.

[silk sandal]

defensive stance + shield wall worked for me

[hardy snow]

its not only dps, UF decrease CD on TC, and thats more shield slam resets and more rage

[silk sandal]

Can also spell reflect each time

[sleek current]

Absolutely having me. 😂

[median tulip]

You should be D Stanced and Spell Reflect for reduced damage whilst you are running out. Usually suffices.

[sleek current]

We've got a couple of evokers so might just ask for Time Spiral on every 2nd.

You run out? Not Heroic Leap?

[silk sandal]

leap out, charge back in

[median tulip]

Can do either, makes no real difference.

[silk sandal]

if your ranged from healers and low, can also impending victory him when he is out there with you

[sleek current]

Charging back in has been hit and miss for me because the boss is absolutely rapid.

[winged slate]

The only thing I found dangerous is if you take an auto right after the debuff lul

Otherwise it was whatever

[silk sandal]

looking at this number though, id say you are taking wayyyyy too much damage from it

[sleek current]

Same

[silk sandal]

as in, you're standing in it when you shouldnt be

[sleek current]

I know

Looking at Darkmech's video. I think we're just going too far out.

[silk sandal]

does the rezan trinket count as a bleed for the tier set?

[sleek current]

Trying to capitalise on the "reduced damage per distance"

[silk sandal]

if you leap out, charge back, that is plenty

and the fire will only tick a couple times

[winged slate]

Nah you only rip your own 3 ability bleeds, nothing else

[silk sandal]

Dang, was just lookign at damage done and realized it was a bleed and got excited haha

[median tulip]

No

Trinket effects almost never interact with class abilities in any way.

[round pendant]

Is WA broken?

constant errors nyooo

[soft plume]

if i have new 2pc and old 2pc is there a good talent tree for that

[chrome falcon]

[median tulip]

How does everyone feel about the "Gift of Ursine Vengeance" trinket?

[modern gazelle]

am i trash or is there no way to do the bat/dominator pull without someone dying in brd

[warm plinth]

You can't do the full gauntlet like you used to

[modern gazelle]

i have tried splitting it up too, but the last 2 dominators still dumpster someone

i usually do the 1st pull, then grab the middle one seperate, kill him then the last 2

[empty spindle]

what build have people been running for keys

[modern gazelle]

pull the last 2 out to bos area

[warm plinth]

That's what I've been doing too. We have a death sometimes for sure because sic bats is fucking stupid

[violet flume]

yeah, first two on their own and last 2 together seems fine

you need 2 interrupts per felguard to prevent the felrage shit

[modern gazelle]

sic bats just needs major nerf man

at least make bats spawn every like 5s not every .5s

[warm plinth]

I think a good change would be to make sic bats a kickable cast, and increase felfrenzy CD to only require one short CD kick

Because as it is, there's no real counter to sic bats because they just turn and insta-gib someone

[winged slate]

The counter is damage and cc

[warm plinth]

That's not a real counter. CCing doesn't stop them fixating. It just delays the inevitable.

[median tulip]

We were talking about this an hour or so ago. In my opinion the key point with regards to Sic Bats is to have a good Cleave DPS killing the bats quickly. Can't Sic Bats if the bats are dead.

[winged slate]

That's like saying CC doesn't work against casters cause it just delays the casts

[warm plinth]

No because a cast going off now and then doesn't mean you die

[winged slate]

CC buys you time, that's the whole point

[warm plinth]

a sic bats does lol

[winged slate]

Just kill the fuckers and move up slower

[median tulip]

I can attest from my statics experience that a Fury Warrior going ham on them thins the crowd out really well.

[warm plinth]

Do you think that successfully traversing a part of a dungeon should require a specific spec in a +16 to ensure someone doesn't die though?

[median tulip]

Other Cleave DPS specs may also be as good

[warm plinth]

I don't think it's the end of the world by any means. I just think it can use adjusting.

[winged slate]

There's lots of good aoe specs and shockingly yes high aoe damage is important on fortified weeks

[median tulip]

"Bring some Cleave DPS" is hardly an astounding hardship or a revelation

[warm plinth]

Bro why are you so defensive because I think something needs to be tuned lol

Chill

[winged slate]

Lolwut

[warm plinth]

Sure, it's not. But when it's not relatively the same difficulty as the rest of the dungeon, it's a problem

[median tulip]

It doesn't need to be tuned. We're pushing +18s in week 1 with drastically undergeared characters

[round pendant]

ye ngl the dungeons feel really easy

[warm plinth]

Then you disagree, and that's fine 🤷

[median tulip]

The fucking Spiders are the worst part of BRH, not the bats.

[warm plinth]

Yeah BRH in particular definitely needs some time shaved off. Like I would probably say it's even more free than Shadowmoon was

[winged slate]

My healer not dispelling me is the worst part of spiders

[warm plinth]

Yeah spiders is ass for sure

[winged slate]

I died with 40 stacks on a 15 and the healer just hit me with "it was on CD"

[median tulip]

Be careful that you're not moving out of your healer's LOS

[winged slate]

Nah I walk up and took a break

Takes a long time to get 40 stacks with aoe CC

[warm plinth]

yeah it's quite easy to los them in that corridor. stairs + curve is just...like the worst area they could put something like that XD

[median tulip]

TBH the selection of dungeons this season is making me think a lot more. Ranged hammering those jumping archers in BRH, or the jumping berserkers in EB for exa.

[warm plinth]

The mechanic that makes me think is Earthshattering Roar on Dresaron

I think shit shit shit

[median tulip]

That's going to be spicy on Tyr weeks, to be sure

[warm plinth]

yeah, can't believe they didn't make it avoidable this time around. That shit is gonna WRECK

But tbf, it's like the only damage on the fight I guess

so as long as it's not 1-shotting people it should be ok

[median tulip]

The Heartsbane Triad are going to hurt on Tyr, too

[modern gazelle]

what are the tier pieces this season? same as last?

not ability but like the actual slots

[warm plinth]

same slots, yeah

think they've always been the same, except we had some tiers with more pieces

like back in Legion you could do weird shit like 4pc of the new with 2pc of the old

because boots and uh...cape I think were also tier set slots

[modern gazelle]

ah okay thanks

i know they are both even basically, but what are you guys running? FbV or BV

[warm plinth]

BV here

[modern gazelle]

thats what i use cause i like the 50% reduction from ip as well feel its slightly better

[teal swift]

One day I'll get a 1H

[modern gazelle]

do we know which 4 piecesa re best for tier for us?

[warm plinth]

Not sure. Haven't looked at the stats

[teal swift]

Yes, it's on icyveins

[solemn raptor]

Hello, curious about our Tier Bonus, with it, should we make sure we are getting both points into bloodborne?

[warm plinth]

You can with trivial keys but in push keys and raid, you do not take Bloodborne

Builds are in the pins

[toxic pewter]

lol at bdk wanting to take boss first over me..

literally rip threat every time and they accuse me of taunting O_O

[green hound]

hey, anyone got a reccomendation on sparks first craft - both weapon and shield right now are 437, weakest pieces - havent killed fyrakk yet in hopes for the axe

[red siren]

Hi, i saw that shadowflame is still the best embellishment for pwar is it true ? And in the guide they said to put the embelish on bracers and cloak but why ?

[modern gazelle]

anyone know where character transfer shows up? i bought one on bnet launcher and its not showing up anywhere to use, need to transfer my toon

[green hound]

on your character screen there should be an icon at the top by your first toons name

click that circle then you select your character you want to xfer

[modern gazelle]

yeah thats what i thought but it doesnt show, only shows the character boost

[winged slate]

Lowest opportunity cost long term

Other pieces can be slightly higher than crafted, so those two slots are the least amount that you give up

[red siren]

Oh thanks i understand. And it’s still shadowflame ?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, power balance overall between embels is roughly the same after the changes for us

So 2x Shadowflame's the strongest

[red siren]

Ok thank you

[flint cliff]

I crafted allied wrist. Crit + haste + vers buff. Seems like a perfect item for prot.

[waxen orbit]

Is Nightmare Egg Shell dogshit?

Looks like it

[warm plinth]

It's not fantastic but it's not quite dumpster tier.

Proc rate is low on it is the main issue

It's not even 1ppm

[nova egret]

yo is there any spell reflect weakaura that is up to date for current m+ season? one that shows up if i'm targeted by a reflectable spell (and have reflect up)

haha seems i'm unsurprisingly not the only one asking this

[sinful stone]

can someone explain to me how thunderlord is better than other two options in the weekly dmg build?

[finite bolt]

diminisng reutnrs can some 1 explain if i have like 37 haste?

[sinful stone]

4.5se reduction to demo shout cd feels completely useless

[jagged pier]

its ever TC

not just once

[sinful stone]

no, it's 1.5sec per tc, up to 4.5 total

[jagged pier]

yes and u need like 4 mobs to make it 4.5 secs everytime so in m+ when you mostly pull more than that, and with new tier set with the free TCs

[sinful stone]

or you saying the reduction is capped to 4.5 per tc, so 3 enemies

but i can keep reducing it

[jagged pier]

u get demo cd down to like 18secs

[sinful stone]

apparently i cant call myself the rword

so im just dumb, thx for explaining

[jagged pier]

u loose 1 haste for every 10 u gain so instead of getting 10 u get 9 until 7100 rating then u get 8 instead of 10

[lusty grotto]

[quartz mist]

Throne of tides absolutely throws my nut sack around like a chew toy , holy shieettt

[winged slate]

Don't let the dogs bite ya

[quartz mist]

It’s the dps that aoe like mad men in the gauntlet stacking the debuff , toxic

[winged slate]

Can't fix stupid

:^)

That hallway is brutal though

[quartz mist]

I feel you there man , next week should be a breeze but the ozumat in tyran , ha. So fun

[winged slate]

Ozumat is giving me trouble this week

I'm pretty much guaranteed to brick a couple tots next week

[quartz mist]

I bricked a 18 and I’m to scared to step back in

[pallid quiver]

push your own key and brick your own +18

[quartz mist]

I’ve done that as well mate , leavers 👌🏻

[sage granite]

Morning guys, do we need to change talents in 10.2. For m+?

[warm plinth]

Not until you get the new tier set

Builds are in the pins

[sage granite]

Ty, how can i see pins pls

[warm plinth]

are you on mobile or PC?

[south patrol]

I’m on mobile and would like to check pins

[sick sentinel]

Swipe right

[south patrol]

Ok cool thanks

[brittle owl]

i'm actually on my samsung fridge, how do i proceed

i have skyrim playing in the background if that helps

[winged slate]

Eat some cheese

[prisma crane]

what are we using for embellishments these days

[dusky canopy]

SIX HOURS

we got it done boys

[tidal forge]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=137315/writhing-heart-of-darkness
Is it shit or good trinket?

[toxic pewter]

whats the deal with time-lost battlefield boss and how the mobs during that fight interact with the boss any help appreciated

[blazing condor]

Boss does some rallying cry thing

That activates mobs and makes them aggro

[winged slate]

Any mobs that the boss kills causes his autos to do aoe dam

So if the giga shockwaves are killing a ton of adds, you'll make your healer sad on tyrannical

[toxic pewter]

ok the shockwaves seem to be cast randomly though am i wrong

[silent vessel]

your group needs to bait them

[toxic pewter]

ok

[winged slate]

Same kind of thing with the bladestorm, you ideally don't want to run it through a ton of mobs

I don't remember if Varian is the same as Garrosh

[toxic pewter]

they the same

[warm plinth]

Probably the worst trinket of the season.

[hardy snow]

at least it doesnt have stamina like Xeritac from Everbloom 😄

[undone verge]

Murozond's rise is fuckin awful

[silent vessel]

✅

[toxic pewter]

yeah i actually dislike it more than tott personally

[silent vessel]

does this link work for you? https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Plkawar?utm_source=twitch_panel

times out for me

raiderio as such works, but searching for characters doesnt work

[toxic pewter]

Yeah raider io not working for me right now

[silent vessel]

madge

[toxic pewter]

Certain things load slowly

[sick sentinel]

tyranical final boss of atal dazar will also be bad i would like to say

more towards 15 to 20 and beyond keys, but that boss super hurts

did it on a +6 some poor warrior bro got basically instagibbed to it

[trim bay]

I didn't think that boss did DMG to the tank

[sick sentinel]

(gibbing meaning severe amounts of dmg, hit them for at least 75% hp, its a doom mechanic where imp gets rocketed and body blows up)

she has some dual claw whatever shadow strike thing, hits for bunch 9f dmg and warrior can reflect it