protection

[lusty grotto]

anything from last season's events turn into previous tier

anything from the emerald dream events turns into new tier

[sacred field]

nice so how is it possible to get teh tier set now?

[lusty grotto]

you get it from raid

[pallid quiver]

get drops from raid

[sacred field]

or am i being trolled lol

[winged slate]

Where do you think tier comes from mate?

[pallid quiver]

the way people did back in the good ol' days

[sacred field]

the cat

[lusty grotto]

you need to be lucky if it drops, and you need to be lucky to win the roll

[sacred field]

i only do mythic i dont raid

[lusty grotto]

then, you cant

[pallid quiver]

well, then you gotta wait 8 weeks or pray vault gods smile on you

[strong forum]

Then you'll have to wait for lucky vault drops and to get more catalyst charges

[winged slate]

Go queue LFR and steal the token

[strong forum]

You get 1 catalyst charge every 2 weeks

[sacred field]

hmm

[pallid quiver]

I queued LFR and had the token stolen even though i was top dps

i lost it to an afk rogue

[winged slate]

Have you tried being less unlucky?

[lusty grotto]

just be me luerce

🙂

[pallid quiver]

I blew that on getting 2 mounts in front of my mount collecting friend at the same time during week 1 off a seed

that's my collection of luck for the half decade

[lusty grotto]

if im lucky tonight ill get 2pc, cause my guild doesnt want us using charges (yet)

[winged slate]

Yeah I don't see a reason to burn a charge yet for most people

[sacred field]

charges?

[pallid quiver]

I may still have chances at Heroic tier if I find pugs not getting farmed by Heroic

[winged slate]

Get 2pc from raid/vault, then use 2k + charge to fill out the other two

[lusty grotto]

catalyst charges

yeah Andy thats what they are going for

[pallid quiver]

but so far

heroic be farming pugs i've seen

[strong forum]

Doesn't seem to be too easy ye

[fallen spindle]

so...i jumped glad into a throne of tides and it was a blast, but little did i knew that Vicious Snap Dragon pack is super crazy? how to deal with that pack, its insane

[lusty grotto]

gotta do giga stops

be dwarf

[pallid quiver]

I think the hardest part of raid out of anything I've ever gotten to try is the trash

[lusty grotto]

and/or have a cauterizing evoker

[winged slate]

I run like hell if I hit 8-10 stacks

[lusty grotto]

and/or a bopping pally

[pallid quiver]

Only time I've ever been scared is trash

and worm because people don't like to press taunt so i get spoopy jaws

[lusty grotto]

catalyst has charges for new tier

[fallen spindle]

im dwarf, i ran, but they still got me, i used, shockwave, fear, my mom, and dad, but still they got me

[lusty grotto]

cant really run from them

they jump

you gotta stun, fear, wall

[winged slate]

I didn't have an issue leaping down the stairs

[lusty grotto]

dwarf

well

i guess that does work

[winged slate]

Bought me enough time to drop stacks

[fallen spindle]

hmm, ok, imma go do a try again

[winged slate]

That pack and Ozumat were the worst for me

[sacred field]

well thanks guys have a good day

[winged slate]

Ozumat may just be a skill issue though

[fallen spindle]

ive never tryed a pack so hard

[lusty grotto]

i havent had issues on ozumat

[pallid quiver]

nim tell me a bed time story

[winged slate]

Oil gets everywhere, I can't go run out to get the casters cause the boss goes apeshit, and something gives the boss a fat DR that I haven't figured out yet

I'm surely doing something wrong

[lusty grotto]

well, thats a group issue

cause oil shouldnt be going everywhere

gathering adds can be kind of a pain i guess

[winged slate]

The boss seems to get pissed if you're not in melee

[lusty grotto]

either way people need to be relatively stacked

but i can see how it can turn into hell in pugs

[winged slate]

I'm not looking forward to that fight next week, at least

[lusty grotto]

next week is gonna be hell for everyone

not just that fight

[winged slate]

I feel like most of this seasons dungeons don't have scary bosses

Maybe I'm jaded from this week

[lusty grotto]

not for us no

for healers though

heh we will see in tyrannical week

[winged slate]

All the big scary ones in DotI were nerfed, as far as I can tell

[lusty grotto]

well deios still fucking slaps

[winged slate]

Morchie spawns clones WAY less often

Time guy puts out dispels less frequently

[lusty grotto]

time guy doesnt even do frontal

i was like wait where is the frontal

[winged slate]

I totally forgot about the frontal lmao

Iridikron spawns less adds

[sick sentinel]

when you load wow too many addons

[pallid quiver]

yeah it's flat out gone from the dungeon journal

i don't really understand why

unless fucky shit happened, as long as you stood in brown, you could casually walk out of the second hit and it wasn't so bad

Someone said the orbs apply a dot now in exchange, but I don't know for sure

[lusty grotto]

yeah it seems they kind of thought the boss had too many abilities

and/or positioning requirements

[pallid quiver]

which is funny

because it had 3 abilities

[lusty grotto]

so dps can also hangout in front now

its more the case of where to stand really

with dps not having to only be behind boss for slow zone

[pallid quiver]

I guess, but I never found much trouble with it personally

i guess it's just mega sleep for tanks now

[winged slate]

It's less about the amount of abilities and more about how often they were coming in

[blazing condor]

whats with the fuckin dogs in ToT

jesus

its like uldaman on crack

[pallid quiver]

they weren't coming in very fast on timeways, though.

it was always tank cone -> orbs -> dispells

[winged slate]

You were basically always dealing with orbs, dispels, spinning floor, and frontals overlapping

[pallid quiver]

unless ptr did some dumb shit, there was never orbs overlapping unless you were in slow zone africa

[winged slate]

Dispel was like every 20s

Made it hectic

[pallid quiver]

Dispells would be active during tank cone, but they should be

not standing in a dark zone while being dispelled

I guess that'd be the biggest reason for it is so people wouldn't walk into the second tank cone, but

i never found that hard

Out of all the times I ran it in S2

[winged slate]

If they left the bosses as hard as they were and then just tuned them up, a lot of people would just not clear the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt an issue for us Luerce

but for everyone else, it limited the arena

[pallid quiver]

half the classes i ran on during S2 were DPS

Aff Lock, Enha Shammy

[lusty grotto]

right

but keys scale

[pallid quiver]

and i just

didn't have the issue people had with it mechanically

[lusty grotto]

and honestly im not against the change, it seems thought out

[pallid quiver]

If anything, it's technically harder now for DPS if the person said was right about orbs applying a dot now

[lusty grotto]

it does apply a dot

[pallid quiver]

It's just kinda funny because I don't think it solved the issue people had with it mechanically

since people are already semi-conditioned to stand behind enemies

and even in a slice, there's still room to dodge the tank cone's initial hit

It's like the last thing I would've thought needed adjusted out of all the bosses in the dungeon. Like Morchie's timers were a mess, Deios' adds just murdered people,

the bleed from the archers/axe throwers is rough, sand room was previewed as a pain point,

There's a lot they fixed and I saw them coming and understood

[lusty grotto]

id say moving around, bullet helling while a frontal is going off and managing debuff timers is too mechanically intensive

[pallid quiver]

and then tank frontal go away just confused me

[lusty grotto]

all at potentially the same time

[pallid quiver]

the bullet hell never went off during the frontal ever

it always happened after the second cone launched

with how many times i had to solo that fight or fight for my life as enha, I saw it enough that, unless they did something weird in PTR,

It was always tank cone - orbs after it launched - debuffs, tank cone during second half of debuff duration

and then orbs

[lusty grotto]

you did m0

it doesnt scale

tyrannical bosses can go longer and timers can overlap

[pallid quiver]

So you're saying timers change with scaling is all I really heard, because boss,

i solo'd the dude from 90%

[lusty grotto]

on a m0

[pallid quiver]

and it was always that set pattern at the exact same timings

[lusty grotto]

youre missing the whole scaling point

[pallid quiver]

What I'm hearing is you're saying that at a +30, mechanics happen faster than 0

[winged slate]

There's just no reason for a boss to be that complicated or difficult when you compare them to every other boss this season

[lusty grotto]

did you try NL past 25?

tyrannical?

normally you have 3 spikes

2 you can use with add

on the 3rd add

which happens cause bigger hp pool

there are only 2 spikes

1 gets destroyed by stunning the add

[pallid quiver]

It was down to the very second that they all happened on M0

It doesn't matter anymore, but everything was specifically spaced at the exact timing every time

[lusty grotto]

its likely that spell queueing wont get fucked since its a newer dungeon

but its still a lot happening while youre going around and around the boss

[winged slate]

Meanwhile the squid boss has mechanics such as "kill a totem"

[opaque quest]

How is HC pugging looking today? Still as painful as yesterday?

[sweet summit]

pugging is always painful 😃 👍

[opaque quest]

Eh it gets better usually cause ppl cleared normal and have a basic grasp

but ye

[toxic pewter]

only been able to kill 3 so far pugging

[lusty grotto]

larodar seems like its going to be a mess in heroic pugs

[opaque quest]

Same here

[hasty sedge]

Do we ever cast whirlwind?

[lusty grotto]

no

nor rend

since we apply with TC

with blood and thunder + rend talented, which everyone should

[opaque quest]

We exclusively cast WW and rend

Nothing else

TC and SS is just specc flavor but not used outside of RP

[blazing condor]

p much me in cataclysm

only did bloodthirst and heroic strike

[opaque quest]

Im gonna stance dance like mad again in classic cata

Good times

OP in CStance while MS and Slam are for BStance

[lusty grotto]

lol no memes, hes probably new

[hasty sedge]

I knew about thunderclap and rend

I just wanted to make sure with whirlwind just started the car

*char

vroom vroom

[winged slate]

Don't you love having dead buttons? :^)

[hasty sedge]

I played mage

[lusty grotto]

wolverine meme Berserker Rage

[hasty sedge]

we dont cast frostbolt :pepega:

[winged slate]

Fucking slam

Why do we have slam

Prune that shit out of my spellbook

[hasty sedge]

for flavor?

[sick sentinel]

come and slam and welcome to the jam

[urban portal]

Revenge used to replace slam

[dull zodiac]

FbV and BrV

what is this

i suck at abbreviations

[rain ivy]

Hey, do enemies still parry auto-attacks when you attack them from the front?

[dull zodiac]

i assume you mean back

[rain ivy]

No, I mean, the front.

[lusty grotto]

mobs dont parry from the back

parries are negligible in retail though

[winged slate]

Fueled by Violence / Brutal Vitality

[dull zodiac]

thx

[winged slate]

It's the healie choice talent on the right

[dull zodiac]

❤️

[rain ivy]

But, like, if I'm tanking for a few ret paladins, who generate extra holy power from autos, I should probably make sure they have a clear shot to the back of the mob at all times, yeah?

[lusty grotto]

see here

[urban portal]

Yes

Arms players fuming

[lusty grotto]

Nymue 😦

[winged slate]

You should always turn enemies away from your group if possible

Bosses can parry abilities and shit, it's dumb

[rain ivy]

ty!

[lusty grotto]

remember thats not always the case

for example tank soaks

[winged slate]

Bosses that are glued to the floor like Nymue often have their parry thing turned off

[lusty grotto]

easier for you to turn before the soak so its incredibly apparent and just a short steps away from the soak

[winged slate]

Your WWs will thank you

[rain ivy]

Of course. But as a general rule, ALWAYS present the enemy's back to your team

[dusky canopy]

Revenge doesn’t 360

[lusty tiger]

Based Revenge 360 no scope gamer

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

turning mobs away from grup at all times isn't

"this ONE secret has other tanks malding......"

[lusty tiger]

Piercing shards at your party or cringe

[sick sentinel]

fix all cure pill

[rain ivy]

No, of course lol

[sick sentinel]

but it sure does help

[lusty grotto]

just move out of the way or get fucked, ez

honestly

[dusky canopy]

You mean you don’t intentionally let the melee eat frontals when they insist on standing on top of you?

[lusty tiger]

[lusty grotto]

its not really the tanks full responsability to face away

[dusky canopy]

Fuckem’

[lusty grotto]

like dps cant be fucking braindead eiither

[sick sentinel]

at least in classic this is true

[winged slate]

Always spin the boss when you have a targeted frontal, it's a good "surprise mechanic"

Like playing roulette with the group

[sick sentinel]

but mobs some of them just melee and or fire ball over and over and over

[rain ivy]

I'm asking about this specifically 'cause I play ret in raid, and our tanks have a habit of moving the exact minimum to avoid area damage, forcing all the melee to stack on them lol

[lusty grotto]

just dont fucking spin around like hes the tazmanian devil

[sick sentinel]

so they aren't deadly to face at the group

[winged slate]

Besides, do you really want unlucky people in your group?

[sick sentinel]

but you still turn them anyways as a courtousy

[rain ivy]

The last pull before Deios in DotI is a great time for this. "Congrats, we did the interrupts correctly, here's a dragon in your face"

[dusky canopy]

You mean you don’t run a circular marathon around ingra while tanking?

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[winged slate]

You can actually hit the whole group with deios, it's great

When you have to move across the room just point the boss at the new portals spawning

Guaranteed to dot up the entire group

[dusky canopy]

It says you have to split the damage with a second target

Doesn’t specify tank

[rain ivy]

Aaaah, see, I was waiting to move the boss to the portals until AFTER breath, for group safety. Noob mistake, will do better, thank you

[lusty grotto]

multikills are the best

[winged slate]

That's especially important when your healer complains that it's boring

Cook up a spicy meatball for them

[winged slate]

You can do some tech like that on Atal'Dazar last boss, too

[sick sentinel]

i wonder what thats about

[lusty grotto]

...

i guess you missed that they are doing a live maintenance and some services will be unavailable

[lusty tiger]

Oldgamer83

[lusty grotto]

true

[sick sentinel]

oh, i never seen guild thing like that go down

[lusty tiger]

👴

[waxen frigate]

It’s just an inconsistent maintenance thing

Should be over in like 7min

I think

[lusty tiger]

How are you already 4001 io?

[waxen frigate]

Skill

[lusty tiger]

[pastel sleet]

my sims are saying mirror trinket from dawn is really good but wowhead is saying its doodoo. should i farm something else?

[rain ivy]

Oh! Follow-up:

Does a boss parry still reset its autoswing timer? That used to be a thing, iirc

[dusky canopy]

Mirror owns for arms

[lusty grotto]

not in retail, there's no parry hastes and havent been a thing since cataclysm iirc

on mobs at least

[rain ivy]

Gotcha, thanks. Way too much old-school info still rattling around in this brain

[strong forum]

Parry haste for players exists

But not for npcs

[strong forum]

3min CD trinket to buff our dmg for 20sec isn't all that hot on tanks

Especially on ST raw dmg procs are just way better

[lusty tiger]

Crit > for boss rage gen?

[strong forum]

Not relevant enough

It exists, but it isn't relevant enough

[pastel sleet]

heard. my raid trinket acquistion is historically on the slower end. in the mean time, i imagine ill be running rezans and something else. what should the second trinket be?

[strong forum]

Sandglass

[pastel sleet]

oh sweet double passive

heard

[strong forum]

Ember as generic stat stick works fine aswell

[lusty grotto]

relogging is working for the anniversary

[blazing condor]

keys feel weird rn

they feel slow but you still always +2 them

had a super crap AD 17 that still +2d

[lusty grotto]

AD is giga free

[blazing condor]

aye

ToT is just weird

idk about them dogs

[chilly brook]

You don’t like dogs with bleeds?

Weirdo

[blazing condor]

i would be fine if they didnt apply 10 stacks in 3 seconds

god i love kiting

[chilly brook]

Yeah the dogs are silly

[jolly crystal]

Thankfully not anymore, Gone are the days of rogues getting bounced in front of Magtheridon and getting the tanks clapped

[rain ivy]

Yeah, I figured once Hit & Expertise went away, that particular mechanic would have gone too

[nimble skiff]

I've started threatening my guilds MT with taking his job

I'm a dps

[sick sentinel]

be sure to keep us updated on how that goes

[nimble skiff]

It'll never happen. He's outlasted 9-10 off tanks

I'm pretty sure he just saps their will to tank

[misty sail]

is there a good Spell Reflect WA?

Spell Reflect Essentials (Dragonflight) is spamming and most is wrong

[nimble skiff]

I'm having that issue as well, unless there was an update to it

[misty sail]

nope

[azure nimbus]

Indeed it’s bugged as fuck every spell saying it’s reflectable even if it’s not targeting you

[hasty sedge]

I might get castrated but is there a crafting guide

[waxen frigate]

Timed an 18 DHT that was beyond scuffed

2 chested (nearly 3 but I pulled 2 groups together that you aren’t supposed to) the 16 AD before that

Literally had my pc crash and restarted during a DOTI and 2 chested

[waxen frigate]

Nvm it was a 15 3 chested

I misremembered

[sick sentinel]

im assuming this caps out a small ilvl

its same ilvl as my crafted

oh the secondaries are cut in half, thats why

[dull sleet]

I'm also waiting for it yes

[azure nimbus]

Well, go on your wa there's a maj just poping x))))

[dull sleet]

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean

[azure nimbus]

Go on your weak aura, there's an update

like 2h ago

[dull sleet]

Ahhh thank you ❤️❤️❤️

[azure nimbus]

Hope it will be good now ! Good luck for this season buddy !

[lusty tiger]

keys tonight?

[waxen frigate]

Raid

[violet flume]

should done my +16s day1

people sucking now 😦

trashtalking mage pulling big 80k dps

[granite pond]

80k dps is perfectly acceptable dps while conjuring food for the healer

[blazing condor]

lol

[toxic pewter]

still ripping aggro lmao

these tanks dont press their buttons or somethin

[blazing condor]

is it just me who feels like theyre doing worse overall dps rn

[violet flume]

i mean im not pulling as big

maybe thast your issue too?

lack of confidence to pull big

or rather in my last... lack of interrups and cc to pull big

[blazing condor]

idk i still feel like packs are relatively big

but not as mob dense as dungeons in last season

so idk

[violet flume]

idk my dps has been pretty random

worst like 67k, best 120k?

446-449 ilevel

[lusty grotto]

was he frost

if hes frost then sure thats a bit low

if hes fire then hes not managing sunking / combustion well

[violet flume]

fire

[sick sentinel]

i seem to have forgotten how to run the tree dungeon

[violet flume]

you just run it

[sick sentinel]

the xavious sorry

[violet flume]

its pretty straighforward

although the bats anally devasted me yesterday

[sick sentinel]

we didnt deplete but it didnt go great

[violet flume]

3x 250k ticks heh

[lusty grotto]

being dwarf ftw

[violet flume]

lmao

[dusky canopy]

Yeah staying ahead of the pack matters big at season start

[violet flume]

should spec into bitter immunity for that i guess

[dusky canopy]

You don’t want to be in 15-16s prison

[violet flume]

yeah trying to build my rating now

im always ending up in that prison cause i, started slow last 2 seasons

have to painfully time everything on +19 to wait 30min for +20 invites

[dusky canopy]

I just ran my own key up to a 20 day 1 with s2 3k pugs

[sick sentinel]

the boss before egg dragon is fucked imo

[kind tinsel]

463 Empyrean Demolisher 🤔

[sick sentinel]

trash

[dusky canopy]

Managed to keep it at 18 or higher so far

Some depleted some timed

We’re chillin

[sick sentinel]

the red water boys that dash

[violet flume]

nice

[sick sentinel]

and then they come back or some shit

i hate them

[violet flume]

i did 11-13s yesterday, trying to do 15-16s for rating/aspect crests

getting slow to get invites to +16 already

and all, my runs are failing

+5 crest a run not very efficient

only succeded a +16 on alt heh

[sick sentinel]

when do i get wyrm tokens

[dusky canopy]

+11

Iirc

[violet flume]

ya

[sick sentinel]

might as well run some low lvl keys, ah, nothing changed

[violet flume]

+11s super easy too

havent failed a single one

but lots of geared people are out right now so that helps

i just want to craft my max ilevel shield this week 😦

[sick sentinel]

anyone know how many wyrm and aspects i need to make the enchanted

this time around

[violet flume]

45/60 for wyrm/aspect psure

[dusky canopy]

Odds are mythic gnarlroot will be easily puggable

Might not want to craft shield

And strive for farming that instead

[blazing condor]

normal drops what ilvl loot?

470 something?

[waxen frigate]

Me, blindly overpulling in DOTI with some 3.9k healer

[waxen frigate]

460ish

Upgradable to 473 I think

[blazing condor]

thank

[sick sentinel]

oh

u dont get an enchanter to take them and a bunch of de crap

and get a crest for crafting?

[lusty grotto]

you use those for the enchanting one

so you buy those that Drayen posted and put an order for the enchanted version

and the enchanted version is the one you use for crafts

[sick sentinel]

ya

i did the spark

but i didnt have any echanted yet

[lusty grotto]

yeah so you have the base item

[blazing condor]

instead of fragments > crest > enchanted

you have crest > nascent crest > enchanted

so its the same shit

and dracothysts are still expensive

[toxic pewter]

check out this sweet loot from heroic council. 2 offhands and some mail pants LOL

not one single trinket

[blazing condor]

it be like that sometime

[lusty tiger]

absolute dog

[sick sentinel]

thats life

[lusty tiger]

no offense

[sick sentinel]

life is pay to win

[blazing condor]

[lusty tiger]

💀

[waxen frigate]

On god yogi spitting

[lusty tiger]

u mean oldgamer83?

[blazing condor]

roblox is pay to win

--> life is roblox

🔑

[waxen frigate]

Who wants to play Roblox later

[lusty tiger]

🙋

[waxen frigate]

Not you

[blazing condor]

bro got roblocked

[lusty grotto]

looll get fucked jeree

[toxic pewter]

i only play mine craft

[waxen frigate]

We’ll be too busy on our dinner date to play Roblox

Holding hands

And making pleasant conversation

[lusty grotto]

how romantic

[potent anvil]

[waxen frigate]

Dota

[bleak breach]

I lost every single roll on everything yesterday in norm. Hopefully heroic treats me better

[sick sentinel]

i crafted my shield

plan to boost it whenever i can

[gloomy vortex]

If I can get 2 pieces of new tier, should I do it or only replace current with new 4 tier?

i can do 2 piece of old and 2 piece of new now, worth it?

This is only worth to play when youre only dropping 20-25ilvl on pieces to get both 2pc bonuses or however long you sim better with 2pc2pc

I dont get what that means

from pins

[lusty tiger]

:uwu:

[sick sentinel]

how ia BRH

i never ran it to my knowledge ist hat the one with its got some elevators and stairs iwth boulders

[lusty tiger]

yogi is ur left side of face drooping?

[sick sentinel]

dont see relevance or importance

[waxen frigate]

So based

Fuck jeree honestly

[lusty tiger]

);

[teal swift]

Indestructible pog

Save money on all your deaths

[sick sentinel]

i was unsubbed, uninstalled

hadnt bought the expansion x 2 times

so, i have next to no clue about legion dungeons besides random tw i do

[lusty tiger]

yogi are u 39?

[sick sentinel]

im old man game 83 years old

[lusty tiger]

1983

[sick sentinel]

Kappa

that was a good movie that 1983 one

[lusty tiger]

1984

I ❤️ George Orwell

[sick sentinel]

like, down with opression man, or something

help help im being opressed

[lusty tiger]

???

canada is permanently oppressed by their multi decade 1.5% or less inflation

[sick sentinel]

i dunno if there was a 1983 film but, yeah i seen all those types of movies

alot of them not all

[lusty tiger]

but...

wb 1984?

[toxic pewter]

hate darkheart thicket trash

[viral elk]

Is crafted shield a good way to go? Or something else? Doesn't matter?

[sick sentinel]

i re-crafted the normal primal molten sheild with flame patch on it

i cant say thats the correct move

[graceful kite]

does loot from the raid get sent to my mail if I had full inentory and couldn't loot it?

[toxic pewter]

it should be mailed to you yes

[sick sentinel]

yes

everything you would have looted but didnt, shows up in your mail even greys

[uneven mason]

The quest items don't

Found that out when I glitched into limbo

After bird boss

[sick sentinel]

so, uh, alex jones is making a video game

and its just as stupid as you can imagine

[winter loom]

Guys, if i want a weakaura to remind me 5 seconds before the tankbuster from volcoross comes in, then how do i configure it? I guess i do a boss mod announce trigger, take the ID in the key and then? Does it only trigger then when the boss is casting it?

[waxen frigate]

Ok question

Why do you need it 5sec before

You can taunt after the cast starts

And it’s like a 2sec long cast

[desert pike]

Where can I input the m+ routes for this season?

[toxic pewter]

this raid has some badass fights i have to admit

[fossil cloud]

What do you think will be the best option to make the first craft?

[strong forum]

Bracers/cloak with shadowflame

You won't replace those, so they're long term the best choice

[granite pond]

463 first craft or is it worth using aspects for higher?

[short veldt]

any wa package people recommend that shows only relevant stuff rather than a bunch of bloat?

[wheat bronze]

You get 2 free 476 wyrm crests if you do the campaign and hit renown 20

[warm plinth]

Renown 20 lul

[blazing condor]

just do seeds bro

[warm plinth]

Download afenar's and delete anything you don't want. His WA suites are very modular and easy to customise.

[warm plinth]

My valdrakken accord Renown is 12

[blazing condor]

honestly though fair

idk how but my valdrakken is 21

and rest was like 7-10

but i also didnt play for 9 months

so idk what you been doin

[warm plinth]

Mythic+

[blazing condor]

[dusky canopy]

Golllyy

Y’all see the changes to boss mods?

SMH

[blazing condor]

with the abilities on bars?

nameplates*

[dusky canopy]

No

Blizzard broke /range and casting target

Dbm and big wigs rip

Sec

[blazing condor]

i still have my range

but i guess i didnt update it

but /range has like never worked in raids for a long time

[dusky canopy]

https://x.com/deadlybossmods/status/1725229276692140468?s=46

[blazing condor]

rip

[fossil cloud]

shield is a bad option for craft?

[pulsar drum]

what are the go to crafts this time around?

[blazing condor]

not inherently bad its just the fact that you can get shield from 1st boss so you can use the spark on something else

so in time if youre gonna raid you can just easily do mythic gnarlroot for it

[sick sentinel]

why is shield a bad craft

if its some raid shield i doint raid

[toxic pewter]

u guys think its worth replacing an embelishment for a bit with 20 ilvl higher item

oh wow sim says to actually replace it

[blazing condor]

if its got main stat that probably makes sense

[ocean moss]

Anyone got an Tip for those nasty dragoons in Tott? Just stun and run?

[blazing condor]

they hurt like a mf

cc and kite as needed

[dull sleet]

is the range indicator of elvui and so on also bugged now? it always "fades out" my group as if they would be out of range

[median tulip]

Do you mean the hound things with the horrible bleed?

[blazing condor]

https://x.com/deadlybossmods/status/1725229276692140468?s=46

[ocean moss]

Yes Zetakya

[blazing condor]

guessing this goes for WA/Elvui as well

[noble viper]

My bad

[dull sleet]

its only in combat also

so idk

[cosmic wyvern]

so while the rageheart isn't super busted for us anymore, is it still absurdly good in combination with the gift of ursine vengeance

[median tulip]

I've taken to having my static shammie throw their earth ele at them to soak the bleed stacks, because f that pack

[ocean moss]

Yeah so stun and run or shammie 😄 What a pack.

[noble viper]

So if I’m not raiding what would be the best bis would I still go offensive or a little of both

In trinkets

[median tulip]

Yeah. And you should LOS pull the naga pack back before you pull that patrol.

[nimble skiff]

what's that thing i need to auto update my weak auras?

[sick sentinel]

reflect? or block or dr

guess block, says physical

i newver ran this place

[blazing condor]

is that 2nd boss?

in BRH

u cant reflect that if so

[silver narwhal]

How do you sim as tank in M+?

[warm plinth]

Block

It was an AM check in Legion but it's blockable

[sick sentinel]

im not quite sure what AM is

[blazing condor]

a mongus

[warm plinth]

It doesn't matter because it doesn't exist anymore

At least in the form of actual checks

It stands for active mitigation

[violet flume]

Yeah it used to apply a debuff if you didnt have your shield block on

[ashen coral]

Hello, does sidearm is a good talent for threat management ?

I get that it gives dps but I don’t reall understand why it is always taken when there are skills like pain and gain, bitter immunity or the stun immunity

Is it only a boost to improve the dps or does it have any impact on QoL of the gameplay ?

[violet flume]

Or ironfur/shield of the rigtheous.

[ashen coral]

In this beginning of season I tend to struggle to take aggro for the beginning of a pack, I am laying with a dps paladin and freeze mage and they often have burst I guess that makes them take one mob or even several mobs if I don’t have any offensive cd

[sick sentinel]

i dont like that place ill come back to it later

[warm plinth]

It's just a dps talent. The others aren't, and aren't necessary.

[sick sentinel]

ill save them a huge repair bill

[warm plinth]

Mage peeling should never happen. They have ways to prevent and drop threat if they're bursting at the start of a pack

[sick sentinel]

i dont want to put them through a clown show there could tell it was about to be one

[ashen coral]

The problem is also when adds appeat in the middle of a fight, I find that TC and revenge don’t generate enough threat sometimes to take aggro in a reasonnable time

[warm plinth]

Threat issues in general shouldn't really happen though so idk what you're doing wrong

Log some runs and let us look

[ashen coral]

It is true that I have rarely used bitter immunity, and 3.5% hp every 10 second is low but as sixearm seemed to do so less I thought it would not be taken

How do I log ?

[warm plinth]

Sec heading inside Mt house rn

[strong forum]

Pain and gain is generally inconsequential, bitter immunity is basically just a healthstone

Sidearm can make up to 2% of your dmg

[warm plinth]

#protection message read this

[strong forum]

And doing more dmg is never a bad thing

[ashen coral]

At the end of season 2 it was not an issue anymore, but now, even though I am 452 ilvl, in dawn of infinite i had 60k overall while they had 130k with same ilvl as me so it may be a reason

[strong forum]

You mean dmg?

[warm plinth]

60k overall at 452 ilevel is really not good...

[ashen coral]

Dps yes

[strong forum]

That is indeed a problem

[warm plinth]

I was doing 60k overall at like 410 or 420 ilevel lol

[ashen coral]

With the 4p of season two i could get to 100k in some dungeon but in dawn of infinite it is mostly single target unfortunately

[gloomy vortex]

is frostfire belt still the thing to get this season?

I mean I have 447 but shld I look to replace or just upgrade it

[ashen coral]

I have always been this low for this dungeon or maybe 70k maximum

[warm plinth]

no, double shadowflame because you can use it on lower stat budget slots

shadowflame on bracers/cloak

[ashen coral]

I removed shadowflame from my gear now that you tell it (i thought the nerf was too hard), it may be a reason too

[warm plinth]

shadowflame isn't going to make THAT big of a difference in your damage

It's significant but it's not gonna make up a 30-40k dps difference

[gloomy vortex]

shadowflame can only be added to crafted items?

[warm plinth]

yes

[gloomy vortex]

so we are doing crafted claok.bracers this season

[ashen coral]

We are meant to be at 100k in dawn of infinite as prot warrior ?

[warm plinth]

There's more AoE in that dungeon that you realize

than*

[warm plinth]

Yeah because crafted gear is 3 ilevel lower than max

You can still use crafted gear for upgrades and shit but in the end your goal will be to replace all but those two slots

[strong forum]

Sense did 107k overall in galakronds fall

But that is already with 2pc

[gloomy vortex]

awesome thanks

[cinder nova]

Nom how vast or negligible is the difference between 2 shadowflames on wrist/cloak and a wrist shadowflame with UFFB belt because lazy

[ashen coral]

Also, with the training poles, I was at 130k for the 5 poles, with 4pc of season 2, now i am with 2pc 2pc and I am at 110k, I don’t know if it was enough before and if it is normal now too

[cinder nova]

Is it still like... sub 1K?

[strong forum]

Should be reasonably close

[cinder nova]

so, strictly speaking, if I'm already doing CE it's kinda w/e

I like the ability to just keep bumping all my crafted gear in-house tbh so I'm trying to avoid outsourcing

I don't alt

per se

[strong forum]

It very much depends on your stat spread this time around

[cinder nova]

What do you mean?

[strong forum]

Vers and crit are alot closer this tier in ST dmg output

We shifted sockets and armor pieces around alot

Depending on what stats you have

[cinder nova]

🤔 ...wait, what? Is this notated somewhere?
Am I a potato?

[strong forum]

And uffb has crit/mastery

Nah its nto noted anywhere, was just the process of our T31 profile

With shifting 1 ring to another, you'd then start equipping different belt n boots

I'd honestly just recommend crafting cloak and bracers and be done with it

Cuz if for example in the case of lariat, you'd need to shift your entire rings boots and belt again to get a different stat spread that makes lariat actually be a gain

That's why it's just very much a "sim yo self" angle

[hollow flower]

is there a point where lariat will be worth again this season?

[blazing condor]

Doubtful

[hollow flower]

but all the necks have so bad stats 😦

[cinder nova]

Is counterweight simbait?

It's higher than my 450 beacon

QQ

[blazing condor]

Beacon also got nerfed

[cinder nova]

did it?

when

[lusty grotto]

it was in the 10.2 notes

every aberrus trinket got nerfed

[strong forum]

Counterweight is pretty whack

It's probably as good as it Sims but

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/miu-cat-kitten-kitty-sneak-out-gif-16076661

[drifting mountain]

i dont know if this is known or not, but beserker rage aoe shout doesnt work on the LoS boss in Throne

it removed immuned the warr but nobody else

re: the reflect sheet

[austere marsh]

I have 441 bracon and grapnel; which one do I replace with mirror?

[sleek current]

Your best bet is to sim it.

[grizzled nova]

brothers I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing about eb 2nd boss

rot damage is eating IP through the whole fight, can't wall every charge, and at 20 it's doing 1.1m raw

and it happens every ~16 seconds

[toxic pewter]

That boss is no joke

That dungeon is no joke

[pallid quiver]

Have you tried cheating?

Seriously, though, 2nd boss has been heavily stated to be a sticking point for most groups

[median tulip]

Sounds like a bug.

[pallid quiver]

I haven't gotten an EB key at all yet (actually i have one in my bags but), but I wager you'll need ample use of def stance as well

Actually having the new tier would probably help, too, since that's just 10% DR that'll have ridiculous uptime

[timber nest]

what are people doing to mitigate furious charge damage?

[median tulip]

I've only done Everbloom to +14 thus far, but the council fight is nasty. A healer's externals is a good bet.

[timber nest]

it hits so haRD

[strong forum]

Rotate between dps

[pallid quiver]

Berserker Shout can only remove, and it also only removes within 12 yards, which is kinda small

[strong forum]

You can't take more than 2 hits (the 2nd hit will require all your CDs)

[pallid quiver]

So it's likely you were just outranged

[timber nest]

?

so how do you mitigate that?

[strong forum]

You soak 1, dps soaks1, dps soaks1, then you soak again

[timber nest]

for larodar?

[strong forum]

Oh you mean raid boss...

You leap away

[median tulip]

Dstance them all, wall first, demo shout second, last stand 3rd and scream for externals

[strong forum]

It does dmg based on distance

If leap far away, it doesn't do any dmg

[pallid quiver]

oh for larodar, you leap away and walk a few steps to be fine, cds if needed

[strong forum]

Like it states in the tooltip

[median tulip]

Oh Laro, I thought you meant eb council

[pallid quiver]

Don't listen to the pugs who yell you to keep him in place to keep uptime or whatever

[strong forum]

If you stand still it'll 1shot you, just leap away or walk a few steps while he's casting

That's how the mechanic is supposed to be played

[median tulip]

bUt MuH dEePs

[pallid quiver]

I'll care about that argument once they start out damaging me

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

you need to basically have spell block on cd, and rotate demo/sr/wall when its not up, IP is not your main mitigation

[pallid quiver]

Until then, fuck their uptime :L

[cerulean tusk]

dang

[drifting mountain]

yeah ngl not read the talent in a while and got excited reading the reflect sheet

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, if you're gonna use Berserker Shout, you'll need to tell everyone before hand to hug it out

[lusty grotto]

theres no reason to use shout

absolutely no reason

[timber nest]

it just did 560k dmg to me from that distance

[pallid quiver]

I agree with this, personally

[drifting mountain]

we thought it would immue sadly, my shaman wont live it. fun to test tho

[pallid quiver]

but if it does get used now or in the future, you'll still need to tell people ahead of time

[median tulip]

Did you get hit in the back while running out?

[timber nest]

nope

[pallid quiver]

Have you tried not being dead before taking the charge/standing in the fire/using your CDs?

I'm assuming heroic, where there's also a magic damage component you can reduce with spell reflect

Also should d stance it every time since you're not dealing damage anyway

To be fair, with how much fire there is,

Number two is not your fault

[lusty grotto]

god i hate larodar as arms

also as a little race

i cant see shit

[strong forum]

Id argue you see more as little race than as a big one

[pallid quiver]

I hate waycrest as a tauren

I can't see shit in waycrest

[lusty grotto]

lol i suppose thats true nome

but when you have 3 taurens on top of you its yikers

err that didnt sound right

[winged slate]

Different strokes for different folks

[cinder nova]

i am

probably overthinking 2p

it doesn't change our rota, right?

We're still just sending SS over everything

[pallid quiver]

Yep, it's same prio

You just TC a lot more after 4p

[lusty grotto]

the only difference is you wanna TC immediately after you do the bleed thing, if you have 4pc

just to instantly reapply deep wounds

[strong forum]

And you gotta be a bit more mindful with your IP usage

If you wanna get more value out of 2pc

[cinder nova]

I was gonna say

[pallid quiver]

no i will continue to no think send

[cinder nova]

feels like a lot less rage this season

[strong forum]

No I mean

You gotta be aware of getting a tierset proc from IP

Rage gen is the exact same

[cinder nova]

Oh you mean the spending

oh god

my brain

[strong forum]

IP has a 90% chance to proc tierset, every other spender only 15%

So you wanna avoid double sending IP when you're about to SS

And rather do IP SS IP

Instead of IP IP SS

[cinder nova]

oh god

am I gonna have to remove my SS IP macro

[lament zealot]

What is our best wep enchant now?

[strong forum]

Wafting

[lament zealot]

ty ty

[strong forum]

Well if you use that macro yes

If you're using the one from pins, keep it, it's good

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the pins one might end up automating that process for you, even

[opaque quest]

I check discord once today and read this

Not kink shaming tho just saying

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

If you bring someone that is saved to a boss will it effect potential loot in anyway?

I think I know the answer just cross referencing

[cinder nova]

ye

loot locked people = less loots

[strong forum]

They don't count as an extra person towards how much loot drops yes

[dusky canopy]

ok that is what I thought

[strong forum]

If you're 20 but 1 has ID, you get loot of 19 people

Otherwise you could funnel loot REAL FUCKING HARD

[dusky canopy]

yup got it

thanks nom

[strong forum]

Like obscene loot selling

[dusky canopy]

I thought it worked like that yeah

I could only imagine

[cinder nova]

does urctos' charge commit at the start of the cast

or does it follow you

[lusty grotto]

follows

always follows

[cinder nova]

ok so you can line him up

[lusty grotto]

yes

[zenith sky]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=110019/xeritacs-unhatched-egg-sac is this any good?

[cinder nova]

stam trink

kekw

no

[zenith sky]

that's what i thought 😦 wanted a shield 😄

[opaque quest]

Just have enough stam that your life will last all fight and only get healed between packs

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-22265960

[old flame]

anyone know what the swap is on p3?

for Fyrak

[harsh trellis]

so the tank swap on council is 2 stacks. not just 1

[cinder nova]

Nah

i mean you can

but

[harsh trellis]

its cleave cleave charge

no need to swap

the 1 clawswap is troll

[sullen gust]

In the spirit of raid, are there any fun spell reflects this tier? Or is it all just used for the magic damage resistance

[cinder nova]

There are none to my knowledge

I think the Fyrrak bite is deflectable but

i dunno what component of it

[old flame]

how do we clear infernal maw?

doesn't look like we can eh? just a soft enrage on the tanks?

[sand pebble]

Fixed an issue that prevented Gift of Ursine Vengeance from stacking Rising Rage properly.

[cinder nova]

where the fuck are you supposed to go during impending loom with the bomb

feels like I'm getting dumpstered because I have nowhere to go

[lusty grotto]

bombs go to africa

[cinder nova]

Yeah the loom is what's fucking me

because I feel like I'm spending a million years in downtime

[lusty grotto]

you can deal with loom easily

just watch them fall

on the boss

[cinder nova]

i mean coming back in

bruh lol

[lusty grotto]

oh lol

[gleaming pawn]

Any advice on how to not get TRUCKED by heroic volcoross? 😦 that dot hurts

[lusty grotto]

well thats a you problem then 🙂

[lusty grotto]

spell block

cmon guys

the blockable sheet has been up forever

since ptr

[lusty tiger]

they guy needed a reminder

u just saved his raid

[lusty grotto]

im jsut saying in general cause there have been questions about different spell blockable stuff

[timber nest]

this raid looking to be a vers stack raid

[lusty grotto]

including everbloom bosses

[gleaming pawn]

spell block is a 1.5 min cd and i see i can spell block 1 application of the Molten venom, but that doesnt help me in the long run of getting trucked by that magic dot. im having issues keeping enough rage to keep up IP and Shield block while tanking. my IP gets eaten so fast by the dot

[lusty grotto]

ip is not your main mit

spell block and then wall and/or demo and/or SR in between uses

if youre depending on IP to survive something, youre doing prot wrong

youre probably spamming it which results in rage starvation

[gleaming pawn]

hmmm, so i should try and do a full CD rotation for the duration of my dot using 1 of the methods u listed for 1 set then when its my turn to tank again, use the other set to survive the high dot dmg. I assume start rolling CD's as i approach the max dot stack ima take so i have the dmg reduction up for the duration of the high dmg ticks?

and yeah i was spammin it when i didnt have to reapply Shield block

[lusty grotto]

you start rolling cds as soon as spell block is down

and/or on high dmg

[gleaming pawn]

ok, ill try that next time. Thanks (first tier tanking for raid)

[lusty grotto]

and remember

you press spell block but you have to absolutely maintain shield block

otherwise it does nothing

[jagged gust]

Can you outrange deios' frontal with a leap?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[jagged gust]

oh thank god, thank you

the third cast is really trucking me in 14s already

[gleaming pawn]

THanks, should i just spell block on CD on that boss (as long as i am the active tank)?

[cinder nova]

Splock when the mechanics require you to

Reference the SR/Block sheet

[gleaming pawn]

is this still a mechanic? i dont see it in the journal

for volcoross

[sand pebble]

its mythic only

i too was looking for it last night

[opaque quest]

This is why i wait with heroic until next week

ppl need a week to get their shit straight and stop sucking

[cinder nova]

It's not in the journal btw

Even on M

oh wait

there it is

[sand pebble]

it does have a cant be reeflcted tag on it though

[cinder nova]

reading hard

[jagged gust]

"can be used while mounted"

Imagine raid bosses just charging around on a 40foot tall war horse

[pallid quiver]

I'm late, but spell block should work on the dot portion of venom, as well, making it deal very minimal damage

It doesn't just block the initial application

[fossil cloud]

so the shield is a bad option for craft?
+

[pallid quiver]

It's a good option, but you'll replace it eventually, and crafting it slows you getting bis in other slots

Since first boss of raid drops bis shield, so it should be easily puggable eventually

And there's more than a few shields in Upper DotI, Atal, and the like

[lusty grotto]

upper and everbloom have bis stats

haste crit, big haste for both

rest are great if its big ilvl

[fossil cloud]

What is the best option for crafting?

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

[cinder nova]

Should the active tank be getting circle on Smolderon?

I keep getting the Overheated

[sand pebble]

It might be a bug but yes it can happen

[cinder nova]

counterweight hitting for 636K on smold

holy fuck what is this trinket

[lusty grotto]

well orbs

dmg amp

[cinder nova]

i mean even w/o it's critting for 300K

which is kinda wild

[pallid quiver]

I'm fairly certain the overheat circle is random on the first application, so you're supposed to taunt swap appropriately; keep boss if active doesn't have it, swap if active gets overheated. You can't get overheated twice, so you swap afterwards to be set up properly

[cinder nova]

just mildly annoying

[pallid quiver]

There's more than a few non-standard tank swaps in Amir, so I partially think it's their way of trying to shake up tank mecha without alienating your average raid tank

Volc's build up stacks and taunt before the bite comes to mind

[cinder nova]

LET ME BE A BRAINDEAD DPS REEEE

I tank so I DON'T have to do mechs

lol

[gleaming pawn]

Sorry to bring this back up again, because im newer to tanking this tier. Spell Block says i can block spells for 30 seconds. Does that mean for the ENTIRE duration i wont be getting stacks on volcoross if i have shield block up as well?

[cinder nova]

You get stacks.

Blocking just means DR

that's it

[gleaming pawn]

hmm i guess im still confused. how does the DR work when blocking an ability that puts a stacking dot on me? does it make each dot application that is applied during the block do less for the remainder of its duration?

[pallid quiver]

You just become able to block magic damage that you can block; it doesn't even mean you'll necessarily block it

You need shield block up to guarantee you'll block it

[pallid quiver]

just every time you take damage, you can block it and take less damage

Like normal blocking

[gleaming pawn]

Thats what im asking, if i have spell block up and shield block. Do just not recieve the tank debuff?

[pallid quiver]

Do you not receive tank swap mechanics when you block them if they're physical?

[gleaming pawn]

or i am blocking the dot ticks to reduce those dmg ticks?

[pallid quiver]

You just reduce the damage you take

That's it

It's just like normal blocking, except on stuff you couldn't block before

[lusty grotto]

youre blocking the dot ticks

you block up to 100% on crit blocks

on each tick

[gleaming pawn]

so if i have spell block and shield block up and i get the application, the "18k" dmg tick that it applies is just reduced by whatever my block rating will reduce a hit by? so instead of 18k dmg a stack id take like 13k? (i know #'s arnt exact but just as an example)

[lusty grotto]

no its more than that

[gleaming pawn]

oh

[pallid quiver]

The damage works exactly the same as normal blocking, so it gets reduced the same way. It can be crit blocked, too

[gleaming pawn]

so if i do a regular block (not a crit block) then the dot tick would do this much less dmg if i also have spell block up?

it would reduce it by nearly 42% for the ticks i "block"

[pallid quiver]

That won't be the very specific number due to behind the hood calculations and crit block affecting things, but that's the general gist

The very specifics aren't worth fussing over unless you're getting way deep into how damage works, since you need to start worry about k values and what not

[gleaming pawn]

ok but for the general idea, if something is spell blockable, then i can reduce the dmg it does to me similar to how a physical hit is reduced when regularly blocked?

[lusty grotto]

yes

but up to 100%

spell block doesnt have a block cap

regular block cap is about 60% 85% on a crit block iirc

i cant do calc, im doing smolderon heroic right now

[gleaming pawn]

Ok, thanks. that helps a lot. and for spell reflect i can just use that whenever to help reduce the dot dmg right?

[lusty grotto]

i can in a bit

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's just dr you can cycle. Don't stack DRs usually because that ends up being overkill and makes you spike more

[gleaming pawn]

ok, with the short CD on reflect i can cycle that in every time i have agro though which will be nice

[lusty grotto]

yes

reflect you can weave in

since what you said

[gleaming pawn]

Now, since i have apparently been using IP wrong, What is the best rule of thumb to IP/revenge?

[sand pebble]

Ip = rage dump for cdr interaction with am, rage spent for indom

Mitigation is a bonus

[pallid quiver]

If you're playing priperly, you use revenge as your global of choice when SS or TC aren't up, and you use IP to avoid overcapping rage, which should be frequently

[mild sorrel]

should slam all my flightstones and wyrms into a champion level shield?

[gleaming pawn]

So only IP when overcapping? Should i not get one rolling near the start of a fight for some extra mitigation?

[pallid quiver]

If you're thinking that, you're probably starting pulls wrong, since you should be drowning in rage at the start of pulls

[violet flume]

man next time i do blackrook hold

im just pulling hyper safe

people just drop like flies and timer is super generous

[cinder nova]

most keys you can just press W upto the low 20s

[violet flume]

i mean my last 5 +16s failed so :/

everyones learning and i feel like cc/interrupts are at an all time low

[hollow hill]

Got an enchanted wyrm's dreaming crest from killing fyrak tonight. Do I upgrade shield to 473 or use it on a different crafted item?

I've got unstable frostfire belt or crafted boots that are both 447 that I could upgrade

[pallid quiver]

The longest term choice would be to get your embels rolling on bracers/cloak, since those won't end up replaced ever, unlike other gear. In your case, I'd just sit in it since hitting Heroic and soon Mythic Gnarl shouldn't be very hard every week, and that's constantly a shot at pretty much the best shield for us out there

[hollow hill]

Thanks that's good advice!

[short veldt]

if i cared more about survivability than dam, would i pprio haste/vers rather than haste/crit?

[median skiff]

Should I keep T30 tier equipped until I get next tier? starting to get ilvl increases but not really sure how it compares to tier. 🤔

[warm plinth]

The difference is virtually nonexistent in raid and crit is stronger defensively in M+

[warm plinth]

Check #268491842637660160

[median skiff]

I must be blind bc i didnt see any mention of tier

[median skiff]

right but im not 2pc 2pc I just mean dropping last tiers 4pc for ilvl but its prob not worth then judging by that pin

tyty

[ionic fern]

For a sureway answer, you can sim yourself.

[median skiff]

for survivability?

[jagged pier]

U have enough stats to live regardless as suvivability comes from play

So u sim for damage

[sand kettle]

Hey guys, how good/bad is the Raal weapon from waycrest? I remember it being bad in bfa?

[ionic fern]

Don't remember it being bad - it should be fine in ST, but a secondary stat weapon will pull ahead in AoE.

[sand kettle]

Thanks

[cosmic wyvern]

very good in ST, a normal weapon (or the Fyrakk one) is better for AoE

I don't think the cleaver is neccessarily TERRIBLE in AoE, just not great

[vapid rapids]

edit: ignore me im blind

[ionic fern]

The Blockable part is color coded.

[vapid rapids]

Yeh i just noticed. sorry

[ionic fern]

[short veldt]

anyone dungeons where i should run disrupting shout? pug player

[runic night]

Hey guys, just got my Enchant Aspect crest, do we still go for double Shadowflame patch, or do we go different embellishments?

[ionic fern]

Not that i can think of.

Just farm these dungeons as fury and set lootspec to prot.

[ionic fern]

Yes, double Shadowflame on Wrist/Cloak.

[pallid quiver]

damn, mwahi beat me to all of the questions because i'm busy playing a different bad game

[ionic fern]

Get rekt.

I'm working, it's fine.

[pallid quiver]

but i wasn't gonna play actual people tonight, i was gonna get my shit pushed in tomorrow D:

i just wanted to press the funny new disco ball button

[ashen coral]

Hello, does the human passive (gives 2% secondary stat from all sources) work with skill like Into the Fray or just gear and flask ?

[warm plinth]

It only works on rating, not % gains. So yes to gear/flask/rune, no to Into the Fray, lust, etc.

[ashen coral]

Okay thanks for your answer, it's unfortunate

[warm plinth]

With as many % gain talents as we have with the new talents, it'd probably be a bit OP for some classes

[ashen coral]

Yes it's true

But when I see what dwarfs have it seems fairer

[warm plinth]

Dwarf is useful. It's not overpowered.

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/jPCzxjiJ2NM?si=BlJdq3RZaNpKB7LN how i viewed the horde as an alliance player before trying horde

[toxic tiger]

what do you do against the petals in everbloom?=

just kite?

[jagged pier]

i mean just use a defensive at high stacks

🤷

[toxic tiger]

i still die :c

[silent vessel]

avatar to remove stacks

which is probably what jakey also included

[runic night]

Bring a Paladin for Freedom

[toxic tiger]

why is avatar removing stacks?

because they also slow?

[silent vessel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=164885/dreadpetal-pollen

[drifting river]

for vault we still want to be Fury lootspec to get DPS trinkets, correct?
have gotten a Shield already

[sand kettle]

how much haste do we desire this patch? with softcaps and such