I got overkilled by 120k on the 2nd charge
#protection
uneven mason
so I've been busting my ass today to get some pre raid gear on my HDH because they wanted the buff and now they're like "Oh - soandso went DH, but now we have no warrior"
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cloud umbra
The dogs bleed in throne.......
uneven mason
The dogs bleed in throne.......
uld allover again
strong forum
Except these don't have a cast time
cloud umbra
it trucks
graceful leaf
SHould we be in battle stance in m+ until 20+?
lusty tiger
so I've been busting my ass today to get some pre raid gear on my HDH because th...
Unless youre besties with the GM or RL play only what you like
unkempt rover
hey.. need an adult gamer
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iQXhKzHzyKsxjdip3E81TA I feel like this isnt correct..
is 89k normal?
also disregard the show of force talent, its a mistake
strong forum
Wdym correct
Too high or too low?
Cuz a) you're not using bolster
And b) ursine is bugged
unkempt rover
well im not using ursine, just added it as a sim
also too low
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7paNpBokVW3d3dZffSiHkj is 88k a good number?
idk. on ST i maintained around 70k
guess maybe skill issue
copper lion
anybody finding last boss on doti murazond is overtuned?
dude wrecks the living shit out of me
timber nest
is dropping 4P for ilevel worth? or only for 2p 2p?
limpid estuary
Man, any tips for Heroic Nymue? I’m getting one shot
Just by the bolts she shoots you with constantly
strong forum
is dropping 4P for ilevel worth? or only for 2p 2p?
Only for 2p2p
warm plinth
Would have been a 100
just kill boss 4Head
waxen orbit
93.2k
Even better 100 on the kill pull
It was meant to be
I'm a happy man
NOOO IT WAS NINJA'D BY THIS MADLAD WITH THE BIS TRINKETS ON DAY 2
Night 2 parses matter bro I swear
strong forum
That dude also played without indom
Literally parse whoring
Sacrificing tons of surv for that 1.5% dmg gain
timber nest
lol hes also quel'thalas
waxen orbit
Eh QT is immaterial
I've been on MG for 3 years, server is whatev
Parse aping knows no borders
strong forum
Smh thwump, you have a 463 weapon and only beat me by 1k dps on fyrakk...
sage yacht
yall im 453 ilvl but my shield is 441, now im kinda scared to tank 20s rn will it be a huge diff if i get a 467 (or higher) shield
not that experienced tank so idk if shield ilvl matter much
strong forum
It will play a role, but 441 shield won't stop you
sage yacht
yeah okay fair enough
strong forum
You'll take like 20% more dmg than a 467 or so
But like
People will end up tanking 30s with a 486+ shield
waxen orbit
Is Ursine dogshit?
strong forum
And the dmg intake in a 30 is like 250% higher than in a 20
waxen orbit
I just passed it up for other tank because it kinda looked eh
sage yacht
And the dmg intake in a 30 is like 250% higher than in a 20
yeah true i aint think about that cheers
strong forum
On average, ursine will grants you +2% str + however much dmg it'll do
waxen orbit
How good we talking?
strong forum
So it's like an 8%mainstat trinket compared to 6%
waxen orbit
Oh
strong forum
Signet won't be that good in few of the dungeons
It takes 3min ramp before it does any dmg
And you can't game it as easily as anvil
strong forum
You still do want signet for the keys where you can keep it up
Cuz it's like 30%-50% better than any other trinket if you can maintain ramp
knotty vortex
Isn't fyrakk good in keys?
strong forum
After the nerf now it's a bit yikes
Its okay
But not amazing omg must have
The shield is still quite fake, the self dmg is insane, the dmg is alright
And you have to use it on CD
Otherwise wtf are you using it for
knotty vortex
Yeah I'm trying to figure out what to use overall in keys
strong forum
So unless you sit on the CD of it, it's not really reliable of a tank trinket, and if you don't use it on CD you just lose loads of dmg
For keys, ursine/rezan/augury/signet will be your top choices
Fyrakk is a nice to have but a big question mark of a trinket
knotty vortex
Only 2 trinkets on managed to get was that shell in tot and that cheat death. I'm reluctant to give up ominous and beacon
Still working on some m+
strong forum
Its day 2 of the patch
Not everybody lucked the fuck out in raid and got augury +signet
knotty vortex
I won't be getting it till our dps has or I get it from vault
So that will be a while
strong forum
Makes no sense
Signet is by far the best on a tank
And augury is best on whoever stacks the most crit
Dps don't gain more dmg from the trinket just because they are a dps role
Tanks live longer, therefor get more milage out of signet, and the self dmg of signet isnt relevant on tanks
It's a flat dmg trinket
Flat dmg doesn't scale with how much dmg your spec does as a baseline
Xd
dusky canopy
preach it
knotty vortex
Haha
dusky canopy
xD
cerulean tusk
What if that DPS stack crit/versa, hmmmm?
Didn't think about that, now did ya
warm plinth
Outlaw apparently isn't even recommending the signet after the nerf it took
waxen orbit
Try explaining that to the casual CE loot council
Flashbacks to Sepulcher council trinket loot council drama
warm plinth
I'd like to be firmly in the lead for you
if you know what I mean
Also is that just ST I assume? Since Rezan's is on there
strong forum
Yes
warm plinth
👍
strong forum
That's 5t
And thats with ursine prolly still undersimming
Dunno if it's been fixed yet
strong forum
Yuh
warm plinth
feels bad lol
strong forum
Nothing new
warm plinth
yeah
strong forum
And ursine will also go even more ham
The more targets you add
During the 8sec window of its counterattack
It has an icd of 0.1, so theoretically it can do 30x the dmg it normally does
And on average it will do 50% of its overall m+ dmg output during that 8sec counterattack window
toxic pewter
I need ursine
toxic pewter
Oh
strong forum
Whenever you charge you lose your stacks
toxic pewter
Awkward
strong forum
And presumably when you parry you also lose your stacks
Yeah it's just turbo bugged rn
It should proc on every dmg event, even if absorbed or parried
But it just... Falls off randomly mid combat
toxic pewter
Is it bugged just for us or every tank u think
worthy ingot
Hey guys i have a question i have my 4 set tiers saison 2 and i have a lot of piece 460++ (mythic ++ and raid hero) and my 4p set is 447 what is the best remove the set for win ilvl (strenght , stamina etc..) or not ?
strong forum
Only replace tier with tier
glad geyser
What are y'all using your 476 crest for
strong forum
Embellish
glad geyser
Since spore cloak is trash now should I go Lariat?
worthy ingot
Only replace tier with tier
Ok thx 🙌
strong forum
2x shadowflame
sand pebble
We had 2x ursine trinkets drop last night, what exactly is bugged about it?
I haven't seen its stacks fall off
sand pebble
3 sec icd on stack, I've seen it at 28 stacks in world content, buff lasts 1 minute outside of combat
toxic pewter
happy 19th anniversary of wow guys, LOL classic blizzard
sand pebble
Never seen it just drop
strong forum
Cuz logs say otherwise
Sinzhu has gotten exactly once to 30 stacks in an entire dungeon
sand pebble
I haven't done m+ with it yet
I can confirm swapping to arms while not swapping trinket makes it inactive though
strong forum
That boss sucks so much
waxen orbit
Least I got a shiny 100 healing and dam and a nice new shield
Disgusting level of damage
Actually obscene
toxic pewter
u guys using intercept at all this season in m+
waxen orbit
Probably good for some dungeons
lusty grotto
ghorak dropped on our normal clear but it was given to a DK for frost offspec 😢
sand pebble
Wot
lusty grotto
also every single shield dropped and went to healers
stray gazelle
happy 19th anniversary of wow guys, LOL classic blizzard
Live maintenance so you can login and do stuff still
pallid quiver
and we half cleared heroic and 1st boss shield dropped as well, and went to heal...
Have you considered murdering your leads for not understanding how stats work?
lusty grotto
i cant really say much, im a recruit
and since im playing arms in the guild, none of it is main spec
lusty grotto
yea 
pallid quiver
I haven't seen a single shield drop yet
and the only piece I've gotten all season was a cloak off norm Smolderon
drifting river
got fyrakk trinket 
left basalt
Got the weapon of Fyrakk a few moments ago
sand pebble
Good, haven't main tanked since cn and did 8/9 normal and 2 wipes p1 on fyarkk, looted shield and ursine trinket- no tier
light dune
Pugged and killed 3 bosses, got a shield and the other tank got a trinket. Saw tier drop but didn't get it
Not too bad
sand pebble
It's a fun raid
light dune
Also worth to mention we absolutely butchered smolderons tank mechanics and were able to survive the damage by popping cds
ionic fern
light dune
As a fresh 440
ionic fern
Solid adventures.
sand pebble
Also worth to mention we absolutely butchered smolderons tank mechanics and were...
Did you have tanks with both mechanics? We did
light dune
Yes all 3 pulls
I didn't know what was going on
Thought the tank with boss aggro couldn't get the flame circle but guess we were wrong
sand pebble
Yeah caught us by surprise when it first happened
toxic pewter
got fyrakk trinket <a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
jealous
what you guys think of fyrakk fight? actually think its great, he has some cool animations
glacial skiff
is it worth using 2 piece if you have 4 piece aberrus tier?
gaining 10 ilvl with shoulders*
ionic fern
Which Fryakk trinket tho?
The good one or the tank one?
(They're both good, i'd just prefer the DPS one. 😦 )
slim current
How does one even dip their feet into prot? I levelled two warriors tanking dungeons and liked the play style but idk how to start actual pve content while keeping it as painless as possible for my dps and healers in pugs . Right now I’m working on my renown in the Dreams.
slim current
I was thinking just doing m0-2 while remembering routes and mechanics etc
ionic fern
For dungeons, you can just queue for HC to see what the dungeons are..where to go etc.
And then once you are comfortable, start with m+2's.
If you already know the dungeons more or less, you can easily jump into 2's.
slim current
Gotcha thanks! Feel like im@overthinking it
ionic fern
That's why you play a tank.
ionic fern
I like healers.
Also..feels like there's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge healer disparity right now.
As in, no healers for m+.
pallid quiver
well
warm plinth
Low keys don't need routes anyway. Just put a rough draft together and then go. If you need to make adjustments, do it for next time. It's not like you won't 3-chest it anyway even if you go 50% over count
pallid quiver
everyone thinks they crippled them
pallid quiver
Low keys don't need routes anyway. Just put a rough draft together and then go....
knowing mechs is more important than routing
ionic fern
Both the DoTI'is i did yesterday prove that wrong.
No idea how, but we ended with 100 count way before the last boss.
warm plinth
DotI routing is stupid
warm plinth
Like without invis or shroud, I don't even think you can stay even close to 100% in the first half
pallid quiver
smh tyr too hard, needs nerf, warrior too bad and can't time +8s
warm plinth
tyr is hard? o_O
pallid quiver
+8
warm plinth
waaaat
pallid quiver
well
you see
When you have 2 stacks of incorp and one person grabbing balls
The party tends to die
warm plinth
🙂
pallid quiver
just like old times i guess
also, free me from this prison of bouncing between two dungeons
runic night
Random question... how do we deal with the spider stairs in Blackrook Hold? 🙂
warm plinth
get dispelled
warm plinth
Not there, no
runic night
The spiders do a naaaaasty dot
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure it's the same. You just run up and make sure you stay in LoS of the healer so you can get dispelled
They should be dispelling you on CD there
pallid quiver
Bold of you to assume more than 10% of healers in the game know what a dispell is
ionic fern
I played with a shaman healer yesterday who did 0 interrupts in a 3 ranged DPS group.
Was a good key.
pallid quiver
funny, i just played with a shaman healer who did 0 interrupts and 0 dispells
ionic fern
Random question... how do we deal with the spider stairs in Blackrook Hold? 🙂
But ya, healer dispell.
Pop a SW just in case.
pallid quiver
If you're dorf, I assume you can also stoneform cleanse it once to try and give a buffer if things go south
warm plinth
Yeah that would work as well
warm plinth
So I gues you could shroud/invis to the pack in front of the first boss in lower DotI
and that would put you at 104% by the end
ionic fern
I love these; "Pop everything and hope your group is compotent" sitautions
Team game.
warm plinth
Is your direction in BRH forced or are both sides open at the start?
ionic fern
🤷
That & Everbloom are the 2 dungeons i diddn't do yesterday.
silent vessel
Is your direction in BRH forced or are both sides open at the start?
both open
warm plinth
I've only done Everbloom on a really low level. It seemed okay. The poison on the trash is kinda bullshit since it's not dispellable though
silent vessel
I've only done Everbloom on a really low level. It seemed okay. The poison on ...
you can use freedom, tigers lust etc to clear it
not sure about avatar, didnt pay attention
but might work as well
assuming you mean dreadpetal pollen
warm plinth
Yeah any snare removal works. But other than Avatar, which we don't hold, we have no way to remove it ourselves.
Yes I did
silent vessel
👍
ionic fern
?
pallid quiver
my key keeps bouncing between waycrest and doti
smh i was half looking forward to the low key experience just to see the "new" old dungeons
but it just keeps sending me back
drifting river
Which Fryakk trinket tho?
The good one or the tank one?
rageheart. augury didn't drop but I would've gotten it anyway😅
teal swift
So I gues you could shroud/invis to the pack in front of the first boss in lower...
We just pull it all with lust
Except that one pack in front of boss
I pretend it's freehold and then suddenly timers a joke
chilly brook
Doti is aids
toxic pewter
u guys think 13 ilvl on boots is worth giving up an embelishment
chilly brook
So much trash that actually just fucks you
jagged gust
Dude the sand room gives me nightmares
chilly brook
Difficulty of keys is all over the place rn
Haven’t done a higher throne yet but so far the DotI seems wildly overtuned in comparison to the rest of the keys
jagged gust
Haven’t done a higher throne yet but so far the DotI seems wildly overtuned in c...
Blotting Darkness, the puddles on the final boss were 1-2 shotting us and we weren't even pushing
silent vessel
Doti is aids
monka
silent vessel
hopefully
chilly brook
I got two 480 pieces on the vault rn
Hopefully 3 but I’d still like to keep trying to go a bit higher but I’m thinking 18s are probably it for this week at the high end for me. I think the highest keys so far are only like 22s
And with some of the scaling rn 20s would be a nightmare
silent vessel
Hopefully 3 but I’d still like to keep trying to go a bit higher but I’m thinkin...
i did a couple of 16s yesterday and that was pretty rough already except WCM
i wanna push for 18s this week but yeah i agree, 18 is the limit probably
for me at least
jagged pier
18s are fine if u know what to do only failed 1 because we had ppl not know
And a 17 not only to ppl not knowing but an incorp spawned outside the final boss ropm
Good job bliz
chilly brook
Perfectly willing to accept I’m still bad
toxic pewter
yah incorp placements been sucking ass
red otter
Hopefully 3 but I’d still like to keep trying to go a bit higher but I’m thinkin...
Not even, world record keys are 21's and 20's still.
chilly brook
Not even, world record keys are 21's and 20's still.
red otter
Oh damn I missed that then
jagged pier
Hopefully 3 but I’d still like to keep trying to go a bit higher but I’m thinkin...
U dont nerd higher 18 is mythic track from vault
chilly brook
May not need it but I do want it 😉
sand pebble
Are you *sure*
superbloom event, fire portals
the damage event might be fucked though
ionic fern
18s are fine if u know what to do only failed 1 because we had ppl not know
The amount of horrible pug healers tho.
sand pebble
1 proc of the counterattack
runic night
Is it worth upgrading my Champion weapon to max but using 60/90 Wyrms crests for it?
warm plinth
What took you so long
pallid quiver
i haven't even seen tier drop
Actually, a lie
I've seen one piece of tier drop
i lost with a 2
patent osprey
All heroic too 🙂
warm plinth
Pika slacking smh
patent osprey
Bro i got it 2nd after the rogue ok
pallid quiver
Also, I haven't even seen a shield drop at all this patch
warm plinth
😂 congrats
pallid quiver
I'm paying for my crimes of getting 2 mounts in front of my collector friend smh
warm plinth
Also, I haven't even seen a shield drop at all this patch
That's rough man
warm plinth
2 whole days with no shield
sand pebble
yeah whats the counterattack cause additional melee swings?
median tulip
Also, I haven't even seen a shield drop at all this patch
Same. One piece of Plate dropped in the entire raid so far, too
strong forum
yeah whats the counterattack cause additional melee swings?
It does the same as the normal proc
pallid quiver
And we got 470 cheat trinket
smh pika expecting to die, can't believe it
Nice, grats on that one
strong forum
But you should have close to 99% uptime in the rising rage buff
And way more than 49 procs
patent osprey
Murzonds rise is prot warrior death
sand pebble
both me and other tank have it so we will have logs for fyarkk and whatever we do in heroic
patent osprey
Everything is magic its cray cray
pallid quiver
yeah shit's rough
pallid quiver
Everything is magic its cray cray
some of the scary stuff is physical, like morchie
sand pebble
And way more than 49 procs
that was just suprbloom even on the firr portals at end
pallid quiver
some of it i wish was magic so you could at least spell reflect it
patent osprey
Just that whole sand area and last boss on tyran is gonna be rough boys
pallid quiver
At least you can leap every other breath still on Deios
median tulip
Which key are people finding easiest so far?
median tulip
I've had ok times in both of those, although I wonder how much of that is due to familiarity asit wasn't that long ago that both were M+ in BfA
ionic fern
We got 4 set baby!
Brag.
median tulip
Thott seemed ok
ionic fern
I got 1 set.
chilly brook
U dont nerd higher 18 is mythic track from vault
What I need is a shield 😦
447 shield still makes me sadge
waxen orbit
I’m going to regret doing LFR for tier if I do it tomorrow arent I
chilly brook
Got a 467 weppy from AD at least
waxen orbit
I’ve been getting lots of 467 belts and boots
chilly brook
I’ve been getting lots of 467 belts and boots
Same, can’t use either
waxen orbit
Good thing that’s where my fucking embellishments are
median tulip
I got a crit/haste weapon from superbloom
waxen orbit
Actual trolling
waxen orbit
You mean your shadowflame belt?
chilly brook
And gloves is 4 set lol
waxen orbit
Ya I’d be sacrificing like 6k dps
If I put on my 467 speed belt I got
Plus this game really wants me to use vers mast gear
chilly brook
Belt swap alone is like losing 2600 dps
Don’t wanna know what losing 4 set would be on the arms gear set
waxen orbit
A healer I played with said “just use the higher ilvl”
“It’ll make you easier to heal”
?
?
?
errant leaf
what 1st craft we doing
waxen orbit
+8k HP vs. +2.5k DPS to kill the mobs quicker
pallid quiver
what 1st craft we doing
I ended up with embel bracers with my current situation myself
median tulip
what 1st craft we doing
Depends what my first vault gives
silent vessel
sure we can o.o
waxen orbit
I’m still not sure how this system works
pallid quiver
You just need to get a spark
waxen orbit
This is my first patch actually fully engaged since SL
pallid quiver
And then you can craft, base, to 463
And you can spend crests to be able to craft it again without a spark to higher ilvls
chilly brook
Like what ilvl
486 if you got the crests
pallid quiver
Bracer embel will be bis if you can get any gear, since it won't be replaced. That and cloak
chilly brook
Idk like I know I’m going to use cloak and bracers
So seems like a no brainer craft
chilly brook
Yeah
waxen orbit
Ez
I got 467 bracers so cloak it is
I got some 20s waiting for me tomorrow and we’re hitting Smolderon on Sunday
Pretty decent start to a patch
median tulip
It doesn't really matter that much; because crafting has been fucked over by blizz making them lower ilvl, the only slots that matter long term are the embellishments
waxen orbit
Kk so slots where you’re sacrificing the least primary stat
chilly brook
Hence why crafting cloak or bracers just seems like a no brainer to me
median tulip
I wasn’t aware of a nerf
Max craft ilvl is 3 ilvl lower than max mythic track upgrade
waxen orbit
Eh
Not abysmal
I’m used to mainly engaging in M+ in SL tho so I’m used to having lower than max mythic gear
median tulip
It's not, but it does mean that in the long term crafted items are discardable. Sucky decision thatfucks over Crafters for no real reason
pallid quiver
pug group choses to go to larodar over council
gets in front of him
"actually these mechanics look hard, imma bail"
raid over
warm plinth
lmfao
THey were like no shot we're doing this boss with Luerce; all he does is press button
pallid quiver
accurate
The pugs I did normal with yelled at me for leaping away from the boss during charges and to just keep him in place
sullen kiln
Is it worth taking instigate in raid when I have windfury totem?
pallid quiver
Not in comparison to any of the other talent builds we still have
ashen coral
Hello, I saw in icy vein that we play again heavy repercussion instead of haste buff
Does the 2p effect depends on the haste ? Or will it proc approximately at the same time anyway ?
pallid quiver
Hello, I saw in icy vein that we play again heavy repercussion instead of haste ...
Entirely unrelated to haste; the reason is because we need 3/4 block talents to keep 100% block uptime, and we don't use Bolster without T30 set
There is a side note from Nome that when you have enough haste without any buffs whatsoever, you can use ITF instead of HR again
ashen coral
Okay I see thank you
novel cloak
how much haste is recommended before switching to ITF please?
pallid quiver
novel cloak
ah ty 5.4k
blazing condor
when yall think the RWF guilds are gonna be pushing mythics
blazing condor
pog
misty tiger
It's probably locked until first mythic kill like sarkareth
ebon geyser
and they wont start mythic until probably sat
sick sentinel
im hard sticking to bdk + legendary = very overpowered
things such as deathstrike and DRW lead me to believe t his
hardy snow
im hard sticking to bdk + legendary = very overpowered
if this combo will be op due to axe, it will means also that all other dps specs that use axe will be op as well
tame jasper
when yall think the RWF guilds are gonna be pushing mythics
echo said tomorrow early or late todayy
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYidb1LvMs8&ab_channel=balcer2222 when the ret paladin gets the new axe
will be exciting to see when it does drop, or the shards to it drop on mythic, i think i heard it might drop like shadowmourne
have to get 25 fragments and do a quest
novel cloak
is spores of alacrity any good?
uneven mason
Unless youre besties with the GM or RL play only what you like
I was just being a team player, and HDH was fun, but yeah, 2 HDHs now (because they saw how awesome they are) SO yeah, get to be arms (Or fury, I guess)
blazing condor
time to bind celebration firework to every spell
jagged pier
Squeak
blazing condor
holy shit i love cpm
pallid quiver
Every time I see squeak, I always think of Sense
blazing condor
whats the new anniversery event? just go caverns of time and kill bosses and get blue deathwing?
blazing condor
idk im just assoooming
cinder storm
we all dream to be like Sense when we grow up
blazing condor
everything else is senseless (tm)
blazing condor
sounds like a nightmare
waxen frigate
everything else is senseless (tm)
Nonsense
dusky canopy
Any notable pain points for upper Doti?
pallid quiver
Any notable pain points for upper Doti?
Morchie will also start to blast hard with sand blast, and the sand room is mega rough
blazing condor
Wait new mount?
new mount
drifting river
Morchie will also start to blast hard with sand blast, and the sand room is _meg...
upper doti is super whack imo, we lost so much time on the sand room
jagged pier
Pog 13 away from 500 then
blazing condor
you can take a quest inside before you kill him to get 200 TW badge
fading leaf
is this trinket any good? It feels weak. Any thoughts?
jagged pier
Bad
fading leaf
I'm having hard time figuring out trinkets for my tank.
The Fyrakk trinket looks badass, any recommendations for equip trinket and not on use? Maybe from a m+ dungeon? I was thinking about the stacking haste atal dazar one
violet flume
kinda wish blizz gave defensive trinkets some damage boost for tanks that make them better than dps trinkets
why even use them
fading leaf
^^ word
violet flume
like bonus armor from WoD
waxen frigate
I'm having hard time figuring out trinkets for my tank.
The Fyrakk trinket looks...
It’s not haste anymore
It’s a bleed
And it fucks
pallid quiver
kinda wish blizz gave defensive trinkets some damage boost for tanks that make t...
rageheart started out looking like that
then it got shot and just turned into "not a dps loss"
waxen frigate
It’s still a decent aoe Dps trinket
strong forum
Still is a weird trinket again
fading leaf
but then with 4 set bonus the rezan bleed trinket isn't terrible right? I guess that gets consumed as well?
novel cloak
this any good?
waxen frigate
but then with 4 set bonus the rezan bleed trinket isn't terrible right? I guess ...
I don’t think so
strong forum
So it doesn't even align
waxen frigate
But it’s super good regardless
One of my friends already got one with leech
Madge
strong forum
but then with 4 set bonus the rezan bleed trinket isn't terrible right? I guess ...
No, only deep wounds, rend and thunderous roar
fading leaf
ah, i see. Thanks for the help. Zug-zug
violet flume
looking at blodmallet
considering i dont raid
LFR cataclysmic signet trinket would be BiS trinket lmao
violet flume
i barely have the time to do more than 1 or 2 M+ a night 😦
pallid quiver
Normal's easy enough, though I haven't had the chance to try Tindral/Fyrakk
strong forum
You can still snipe individual bosses
strong forum
Normal's easy enough, though I haven't had the chance to try Tindral/Fyrakk
Tindral is 1shot and fyrakk is 2 maybe 3 shot
violet flume
so it beats eveyr M+ trinket except rezan
pallid quiver
these weeks would be the best for sniping specific bosses before the people who get stuck there are getting stuck because they don't know how to press buttons
waxen frigate
Or am I misremembering
strong forum
It is good in m+, but you need to play aggressive to keep it's stacks up
violet flume
hmm maybe i need to update the profile
waxen frigate
Ah
violet flume
i mean realistically id aim for sandglass + rezan
i didnt think this inscription trinket was that good though
strong forum
So you get 3min of poop trinket, and then you get turbo ultra instinct son goku
pallid quiver
I saw an LFR and normal Sigent drop.
I lost both by like 5 ;-;
waxen frigate
i didnt think this inscription trinket was that good though
It’s kinda bait afaik
Is bandolier available for str or only agi
strong forum
Agi
violet flume
ive had idol o the dreamer as a trinket forever
waxen frigate
Sucks to suck
strong forum
Just try to snipe individual bosses from LFG then
violet flume
i could
strong forum
That's how I got most of my trinkets
violet flume
one day ill raid again when my son doesnt go to sleep at 11pm
strong forum
That is pretty late for a kid
waxen frigate
Well why does he do that
violet flume
2 reasons
daycare forces nap
cause theyre dumb, hes 5yo
2nd hes autistic and im pretty sure he doesnt understand being tired
strong forum
F
violet flume
but i cant talk cause hes nonverbal
waxen frigate
2nd hes autistic and im pretty sure he doesnt understand being tired
That’s lowkey based
He just goes until he drops?
violet flume
i put him in his bed he stays awake
usually sings or whatever
once in a while he wants me to go see him
if im lucky he sleeps at 10, but usually its 11, was 12 yesterday 
waxen frigate
Oof
violet flume
during weekends though i skip his nap and he sleeps from 8pm to 7am its glorious
so i guess i COULD raid then, but i often do other stuff since its my rare free nights
waxen frigate
Weekend raiding is bis
clear kestrel
What is the correct way to deal with Smolderon tank soak/buster? Our druid took 2m one shot on normal, is it just purely that we didn’t soak enough? I’m certain we had soaks in it, maybe not 5 tho, or are there any other multipliers there?
clear kestrel
Ah, they soaked each others
clear kestrel
1 tank each, never soak for the other one
Perfect, thanks
pallid quiver
yeah, don't listen to the pugs who are like "they're tanks, bro, they can just tank it"
I believe the intent is you react to who gets the random circle, and the tank who doesn't get it taunts/has boss
wise vapor
if im lucky he sleeps at 10, but usually its 11, was 12 yesterday <:yep:70342092...
If he’s gonna be up til 11 might as well get him going as your off tank
blazing condor
risen dragons kinda poopy
pallid quiver
yeah, don't try and pull two at once, especially if there's still slimes alive
blazing condor
yeah i just pull singles
pallid quiver
Since they increase their damage dealt when slimes die near them iirc
hardy snow
I went yesterday for my first key in season on this dung (it was +16), pulled two drakes with slimes just like I did on M0 when it was released, lesson learned pretty quick
hardy snow
and on +17 one drake was doing 267k dps from his aoe, good luck with that on like +25 or higher 😄
lusty grotto
has anyone gotten the anniversary mail yet?
blazing condor
i got it
lusty grotto
hmm
blazing condor
you haven't?
lusty grotto
no
sick sentinel
i dont think i have
blazing condor
full mailbox? addons? interface
silent vessel
i had a guildie that had the same problem
sick sentinel
nope
silent vessel
he tried logging into different chars and eventually it worked
lusty grotto
yogi and me are NA
silent vessel
once one had the mail all others got it as well
lusty grotto
my mailbox is also empty
blazing condor
weird
lusty grotto
20 mins ago
blazing condor
yea
sick sentinel
did it give an item
toxic pewter
Think it starts at 10am pacific
sick sentinel
whatever that means
lusty grotto
that shouldnt be, its 10 am as in daily quest reset
sick sentinel
few hours
silent vessel
486 item feels powerful
silent vessel
i member
delicate oak
hi guys and gals...have a question that maybe someone can answer for me.......in the vault it says by dungeons....1 m+ or hero or time walking counts now...my question is how does that work with hero dungeons....i did 1 hero to test but it didn't count....do you have to do a random one?
tame jasper
Am I right that we break our old 4pc only for new set (at least 2+2) but not for ilvl increase?
waxen frigate
those things some how constituted for top of the line cpus back in the day
Crazy
lusty grotto
you break it for ilvl depending on sims
theres way too much ilvl difference to be farting around with non 450 ilvl s2 tier
lusty grotto
hi guys and gals...have a question that maybe someone can answer for me.......in...
only in the next expansion
thats not active right now
delicate oak
ohhhh ... ok i thought it was for right now .... thank you^^
toxic pewter
Wat rating get tier token at
echo drift
2k io
lusty grotto
hi guys and gals...have a question that maybe someone can answer for me.......in...
yes it has to be a random one, as in queue, you cant solo it
queen bobcat
so I upgraded my cloak to 463 but now it seems like shadowflame is bugged. It used to do ~2.8% of my dmg. Now it does ~1.4%. Seems like the cloak is just not activating shadowflame
delicate oak
ok thank you for your help
echo drift
echo drift
Okay im tripping then
lusty grotto
it should still deal 2-3% of your damage
queen bobcat
so why is my shadowflame doing less dmg than yesterday with lower ilvl cloak?
queen bobcat
one sec
urban portal
Nothing has changed from yesterday
dusky canopy
Do you have 2x shadowflame a equip?
queen bobcat
yea
queen bobcat
lusty grotto
giga bad procs
queen bobcat
yesterday
today
not sure why it does not see this as a key
today was with new cloak
grim stone
New to prot tank this season, been some years since pushing content as one. On Larodar, Keeper of the Flame my co-tank has pulled threat from dps quite a few times and we are trying to figure out the cause considering im 13 ilvls higher. I have zero set bonus, not even last season, could this be a factor?
blazing condor
it could
but it would be easier to see what you are probably doing wrong by providing a log
urban portal
The way wow is designed makes ripping aggro very difficult
pallid quiver
"zero set bonus" okay but why tho, that's a lotta dam
Even without, you probably shouldn't be losing aggro still, since it usually takes a pretty large damage difference to actually straight out lose aggro with the massive boosts taunt gives
lusty grotto
New to prot tank this season, been some years since pushing content as one. On ...
you are 13 ilvls higher but what about your weapon compared to his?
our abilities scale with weapon damage
so does pretty much every melee and hunters
buoyant inlet
what kinda pots do tank/prot warriors use?
grim stone
I have a good weapon 476
buoyant inlet
combat pots*
lusty grotto
ultimate power
buoyant inlet
ty
lusty grotto
compared to his Murdek
dusky canopy
I got the branch trinket yesterday
grim stone
hes using ashcandy
lusty grotto
hes using ashcandy
ok then youre not using your abilities correctly
ashkandur you mean btw
pallid quiver
no, no, he got it right
grim stone
we call it ashcandy because everyone was drooling over it
pallid quiver
It's just Ashcandy 2
buoyant inlet
what kinda keys can I probably run with 433 ilvl and 4/4 t30? As an inexperienced tank, but 2700+/-dps player?
pallid quiver
The blooming flowering sequel
grim stone
but i figure my abilities usage was part issue as well. I haven't tanked prog on war in over 10 years
lusty grotto
its not part of the issue
pallid quiver
what kinda keys can I probably run with 433 ilvl and 4/4 t30? As an inexperience...
whatever you can manage to get up to
Really, most of keys is properly interrupting/stopping mobs, and people haven't even gotten to truly pushing yet, so
lusty grotto
its the whole issue
buoyant inlet
kk
buoyant inlet
whatever you can manage to get up to
Really, most of keys is properly interrupt...
I guess I can push my own key as tank 🤔
queen bobcat
today was with new cloak
so, no ideas anyone?
buoyant inlet
thanks
grim stone
any tips, feedback would be helpful
pallid quiver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hgG7kATMnXqmxa2Q
You need to press more buttons
without even looking at anything else
You've got less than a button a second in CPM on the one pull I casually glanced at
lusty grotto
10.8 cpm on shield slam is really low
pallid quiver
You've got 1 CPM for Revenge
lusty grotto
press more shield slam
sudden grotto
i opened a random log and it was 7-8 cpm ss
urban portal
Minutes per cast
lusty grotto
heh
queen bobcat
i opened a random log and it was 7-8 cpm ss
pallid quiver
any tips, feedback would be helpful
The biggest immediate feedback is that you really just need to go practice swinging at a dummy to get muscle memory down
sudden grotto
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HxtTDYmcdQWk8L9G#fight=last&type=casts&sour...
wat
grim stone
ive been only using revenge on proc, should i use it when its not procing as well?
pallid quiver
Revenge use as a whole is criminally low, SS use is low, you're physically casting rend,
pallid quiver
ive been only using revenge on proc, should i use it when its not procing as wel...
Base priority is Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge
because it resets the CD on SS
which generates you more rage
lusty grotto
yea anything under 16 cpm for SS is low
toxic pewter
Wait someone is manually casting rend? In 2023?
lusty grotto
my 99 parses last tier hover around 19/20 cpm
pallid quiver
ive been only using revenge on proc, should i use it when its not procing as wel...
There's zero need to have rend even on your bars; Thunder Clap applies it
median tulip
Hmmm. The last corridor leading to the final boss in ThoTT is kinda spicy. Any tips?
lusty grotto
Hmmm. The last corridor leading to the final boss in ThoTT is kinda spicy. Any t...
take your time
grim stone
There's zero need to have rend even on your bars; Thunder Clap applies it
didn't know that lol
lusty grotto
yeah like dog says, you need to try to clear little guys before you engage big guys
median tulip
take your time
They just infinitely respawn though
toxic pewter
didn't know that lol
Read every talent so you can get more acquainted
lusty grotto
yeah you dont have to mention that we all know they infinitely respawn
pallid quiver
So like on your Volc kill, you blew about 1100 rage on Rend alone
You casted Ignore Pain 8 times
grim stone
So like on your Volc kill, you blew about 1100 rage on Rend alone
taking it off my bar right now lol
toxic pewter
In tott I use disrupting shout
median tulip
didn't know that lol
Talent "Blood And Thunder"
pallid quiver
He has it talented
dusky canopy
5/9H pretty solid smolder is the first wall right?
pallid quiver
You really just need to just practice the base rotation; you casted Shockwave at all on Volcoross, where there's no adds to stun
median tulip
In tott I use disrupting shout
Yeah, but even with that, Fear Shout and Shockwave it's a hell of a ride on +18
pallid quiver
Ignore that you have it talented during a boss
toxic pewter
The hallway is a gauntlet so you have the delicate balance of the damn small mobs rebuffing vs not pulling too much
A good healer is also great in that hallway
lusty grotto
you can pull
buoyant inlet
we never cast shockwave ST? (like an m+ boss)
lusty grotto
to the entrance
pallid quiver
we never cast shockwave ST? (like an m+ boss)
no
pallid quiver
It's a stun tool only
lusty grotto
your dps needs to instanly clear little oozes
pallid quiver
unless you grab its capstone talents, which are bad talents, so we don't take those
lusty grotto
and then you pull the guys that swell
raw parcel
I shockwave every single target like five times, because that's the alpha Chad move.
toxic pewter
Do the little ones put the debuff when they die or what how does it work
raw parcel
Alpha Chad cares not for your opinion. Shockwave goes pew pew.
But yeah, no, waste of a GCD.
lusty grotto
thats literally opposite
pallid quiver
i don't think you can DR something that's immune to stuns
So I'm gonna have to side with the Panda on this one, Nim
median tulip
to the entrance
We ended up running through and lust burning everything.
lusty grotto
what are we talking about, i thought we were talking about the last hallway?
median tulip
Yes
lusty grotto
what does shockwaving have to do with anything there lmao
shockwaving with sanguine
even
median tulip
I think there's also a conversation about vol going on
toxic pewter
Ngl dps shockwavers are weird
pallid quiver
@grim stone Other than the base rotation stuff, you're wasting a lot of rage from shield slams; you press ignore pain to dump rage so you don't waste any
pallid quiver
what does shockwaving have to do with anything there lmao
Murdek used Shockwave during the Volc fight; used it as part of my meaning that he needs to get used to pressing buttons
lusty grotto
where the fuck is my anniversary mail goddamn it
pallid quiver
since there's zero need to press that button on that fight
pallid quiver
where the fuck is my anniversary mail goddamn it
Starts in like an hour for NA iirc
median tulip
since there's zero need to press that button on that fight
It still generates Rage, right?
pallid quiver
it's 9 am where i'm at
toxic pewter
Yeah shockwave generates 10 rage
lusty grotto
its realm time
pallid quiver
It still generates Rage, right?
I'll give you that, since he did at least not waste the rage from the shockwave
median tulip
Have you tried logging out and back in @lusty grotto ?
lusty grotto
of course
toxic pewter
Have you tried unplugging and plugging pc back in
raw parcel
Question about the updated M+ build on wowhead. It dropped the Last Stand cooldown reduction... is that drop assuming that the tier set has been broken already, you think? Because I'm still using it.
dusky canopy
Have you tried checking the mail box?
lusty grotto
Question about the updated M+ build on wowhead. It dropped the Last Stand cooldo...
cant ask wowhead questions here, check our pins
toxic pewter
Wat u mean tier set broken
pallid quiver
Hence why I mentioned just not pressing shockwave
If you do end up in a fight with it, you just don't press it
median tulip
Wat u mean tier set broken
He means if you've dropped last season's 4pc bonus
raw parcel
cant ask wowhead questions here, check our pins
Oops, sorry.
lusty grotto
also you dont pick Bolster with the new tier, cause there's no Last Stand cdr
grim stone
i got some great tips and ive been doing lot wrong. Going to set up my bars little different and practice on the dummy
toxic pewter
Oh
dusky canopy
Rip bolster
toxic pewter
i got some great tips and ive been doing lot wrong. Going to set up my bars litt...
Hell yeah
lusty grotto
if you drop s2 tier 2pc, you need to drop bolster
pallid quiver
i got some great tips and ive been doing lot wrong. Going to set up my bars litt...
If you want a look at the same fight (but on normal, haven't had a chance to swing at Heroic Lar), I'm not a good Prot War by any means, but here's my log for the fight:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4haCwDfrRzAmHZxL#fight=6&type=casts&source=11
lusty grotto
if you dont have s2 2pc, you dont use bolster period
dusky canopy
Witch boss drops bolster? Sounds like a sick item!
raw parcel
nod I don't have new tier yet, so.. assuming I should probably hold onto it for the moment?
lusty grotto
if you are still using s2 2pc, you need to use bolster, thats it
queen bobcat
yeah, something is buggy with the newly crafted cloak I think. With old cloak shadowflames average hit was 19.1k. With upgraded cloak it's average hit is 12.9k
makes no sense
grim stone
If you want a look at the same fight (but on normal, haven't had a chance to swi...
thank you, ill check it out now
lusty grotto
yeah, something is buggy with the newly crafted cloak I think. With old cloak sh...
this is feelcraft
queen bobcat
why?
raw parcel
Feelcraft sounds like some World of Warcraft themed softcore.
grim stone
any good macros you guys are running?
lusty grotto
seems accurate to me
queen bobcat
this is feelcraft
I am comparing logs. Average dmg on shieldslam is higher with new cloak. But average dmg for shadowflame is way lower. That's not just margin of error lower.
it was over 50% higher with old cloak
lusty grotto
it was 50% higher on older logs
queen bobcat
lusty grotto
did you not see it got nerfed
queen bobcat
now THAT sounds like feelycraft
lusty grotto
what?
queen bobcat
I am presenting you with logs, which show that the new cloak does less shadowflame damage
while rest is same
winged slate
Wait
queen bobcat
and you say it got nothing to do with new cloak
winged slate
Mate are you showing ozumat logs?
lusty grotto
i dont have a fucking new cloak jesus christ lmao
winged slate
The fight where you get giga buffed
lusty grotto
queen bobcat
i dont have a fucking new cloak jesus christ lmao
I am talking abouz myself
lusty grotto
how is that even feelcraft
you say its due to recrafting your cloak
its not
THAT
is feelcraft
hardy snow
do you know what "R" and "N" stands for in "RNG"? 🙂
queen bobcat
how does that have anything to do with your cloak???
lusty grotto
...
lusty grotto
yeah, something is buggy with the newly crafted cloak I think. With old cloak sh...
THIS IS YOU
here you go
from yesterday
11k avg hit
with 447 bracers crafted all the way back in s2
queen bobcat
THIS IS YOU
ok, so me unequiping cloak and just using shadowflame from my wrist is doing same daamage as me equiping cloak with shadowflame patch but it's just feelycraft?
so why does my damage for shadowflame not increase when I equip the cloak?
pallid quiver
any good macros you guys are running?
I only just saw this, but the only non-cursor/player macro for Prot War that's of notable use is one that I think is still in pins. It doesn't save any keybinds, but it helps you snipe SS resets when you press Ignore Pain
lusty grotto
cant even see the equipment on your first log
lusty grotto
we could
grim stone
I only just saw this, but the only non-cursor/player macro for Prot War that's o...
perfect, thanks again!
lusty grotto
Krytos did you forget about damage amps?
like Andy mentioned
BRH/Ozumat have phases that buff you
winged slate
Also comparing dungeon to raid surely won't be identical
dull sleet
Is warcraft 3 reforged good? I just remember that it was weird when it was released
Thinking about buying it
toxic pewter
wat dungeon your most difficult so far i think for me its darkheart thicket
raw parcel
It's Seaworld, not even a contest for me.
Shamu's Septic Tank: the Dungeon. Hate that place.
Other than that I quite like this rotation.
lusty grotto
im about to recraft my cloak just to prove this guy wrong
dusky canopy
LOL
I’m pretty sure I’m using my aspects on allied wrist wraps first
I’ll do cloak next week
lusty grotto
im doing cloak cause ill use it for both specs
ill probably do allied next week for arms, and then shadowflame primals on the third for prot
blazing condor
hero path is the highest in m+ right?
strong forum
Couple that with the nerf and it checks out
lusty grotto
dropped from it yes
strong forum
Don't ask about asking a question, just ask the question 😄
sacred field
can we get the 4set for season 3 now
strong forum
Yes
lusty grotto
if youre lucky
strong forum
You need s3 items tho
pallid quiver
You also need to murder at least a few people, get a few string pulled, a bit of blackmail
sacred field
i have 3 450 but the forge turns them in last season tier set
winged slate
You guys are getting tier?
pallid quiver
no
winged slate
You only have one catalyst charge anyway
strong forum
You only have 1 catalyst charge of s3 items