Same as Zodiark
#protection
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round pendant
I still haven't played Endwalker but Shadowbringers was like a 10/10 MMO story even if it's a bit weeby
pine storm
They even cleared that up in an interview afterwards
opaque quest
I still haven't played Endwalker but Shadowbringers was like a 10/10 MMO story e...
Endwalker so good
11/10
Idk how but its even better than SB
round pendant
Nothing in wow has EVER came close to giving me feels like ShB stuff did
opaque quest
Bird girl is best girl. You'll see
chilly brook
The solution to wows writing isn’t forcing more AvH, it’s just to actually do better
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The solution to wows writing isn’t forcing more AvH, it’s just to actually do be...
Not saying they should force it. Just saying if it works out and fits do something with it 
round pendant
I stopped playing ffxiv because I broke up with my ex who I used to play with a lot and it made me feel awful to play
lmfao
was so hyped for EW too and never played it oof
opaque quest
I feel like Endwalker is a must play
opaque quest
Stormblood was such a letdown
round pendant
I liked stormblood
opaque quest
Almost as bad as post ARR
chilly brook
Stormblood was a very different pace
opaque quest
I think the problem is that Stormblood only had 2 cool characters. The aura and Zenos
chilly brook
I don’t think it would be viewed as bad if it hadn’t followed Heavensward
round pendant
That's the thing, FFXIV has good characters, even the bad expansions are better than anything wow has put out for 15 years
chilly brook
Zenos was badass though
opaque quest
Zenos is pretty dope in Endwalker too. Not gonna spoil anything tho
round pendant
Apparently the post-ew stuff is mega yawn tho?
round pendant
I think FFXIV just has way better writing and production than wow does
wow just feels soulless nowadays to me
it's sadge
opaque quest
Ye its almost like Yoshi gives a shit about his baby while WoW is a cashgrab
round pendant
That's just western devs in a nutshell nowadays ngl
opaque quest
Its weird cause Square Enix is one of the worst publishers and its the parent company of FFXIV
round pendant
It sounds weeby as fuck but with a lot of Japanese games you can tell a lot of effort goes into making them at least somewhat good
But I can't think of many western games (non-indie) that I actually felt anything positive for lmao
opaque quest
I enjoyed lies of P so much
its korean too
Small dev that only made mobile games before and lies of p is a polished 10/10
round pendant
Small dev that only made mobile games before and lies of p is a polished 10/10
Yeah that shit is nuts
It's so good it feels like From made it
opaque quest
100%
cerulean crescent
We talking FF14 now
echo egret
Is it worth spending crests to upgrade that crit/mastery 1H I got to 463 ? (using a 447 crafted sword atm)
cerulean crescent
Stormblood was such a letdown
It has the best side quests ever, it's just the MSQ part is so fucking bad
round pendant
Is it worth spending crests to upgrade that crit/mastery 1H I got to 463 ? (usin...
ilvl is king
but sim it ig
cerulean crescent
Everything else except the MSQ is so fucking good
The conclusion to the DK saga is beyond godlike
round pendant
I don't think the MSQ of stormblood is even remotely "fucking bad"
cerulean crescent
Omega Weapon? Peak
round pendant
It's kinda mid tier when it comes to FFXIV expansions, but MMO stories overall? I liked it a lot and the characters are great
cerulean crescent
I have a different opinion because I never played the English version where they make Hien likable, somehow
opaque quest
SB is bad because its between HW and ShB
round pendant
I liked Hien 
opaque quest
On its own its servicable i guess
cerulean crescent
That being said SB introduces Zenos, Emet Selch, Yotsuyu, and Sadu, then it legitimizes Yshtola so it is peak in every way beyond MSQ
chilly brook
western gaming has sucked since late 2000s imo
Idk I mean pre Mass Effect 3 was good, The Witcher 3, Pillars of Eternity, Cyberpunk, Deus Ex
Like they exist
opaque quest
Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk took forever to be good
cerulean crescent
Half the scions should've died by EW
opaque quest
Mass effect 3 was a 5/10 compared to 1 and 2
round pendant
FFXIV being so focused on the player character really enables them to make engaging non-player characters you actually care about imo. In WoW you're just vaguely connected to the main characters and there's no real way to get to "know" them, you're just on the side as you follow their story
chilly brook
But generally I’d agree AAA gaming just doesn’t take the risks they need to
chilly brook
Mass effect 3 was a 5/10 compared to 1 and 2
Hence why I said pre ME3 lol
cerulean crescent
You know, funny story
opaque quest
Hence why I said pre ME3 lol
Didnt read the pre ignore me
cerulean crescent
I was watching Korean WoW content because I need to know what them Koreans think
And one person laid down all the problem they have with WoW
His solutions all boiled down to
"Make it like FF14"
Fucking loled through the entire thing
opaque quest
Make it like FF14 but keep the raid and dungeon systems from WoW
cerulean crescent
He unintentionally because he never played the game to my knowledge
opaque quest
Cause FF14 has no real endgame
cerulean crescent
Said "make raids smaller, make us enter high tier raids all the time, add in tutorial mechanics and clear guidelines(i.e. the ugly AOE circles in FF14)" eith a straight fucking face
He also said make farming easier
round pendant
Idk I mean pre Mass Effect 3 was good, The Witcher 3, Pillars of Eternity, Cyber...
Yeah there's obviously some exceptions, but compared to the 90s and early 2000s it's so much worse. I always think back to the ps1/ps2 era where banger games came out every single year. Soulful games like Ratchet and Clank, poggers.
cerulean crescent
top kek
cerulean crescent
I only am learning WoW cause it's not like FF14
opaque quest
The good thing about FF is that you can just stop playing for 6 months and not feel like youre falling behind
round pendant
AOE Circles should be clear. Swirlies with ambiguous edges are cancer yo
chilly brook
Now it's so.. dead
I’m hoping BG3 has huge ripple effects on the industry on the “just make good games you’re passionate about” front
jagged pier
it wont
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I’m hoping BG3 has huge ripple effects on the industry on the “just make good ga...
Big publishers already said dont expect games like BG3
jagged pier
all the western studios complained about
saying like 'we cant do that'
its not fair
cerulean crescent
Shoutouts to E8S with blue icicle AOE circles in a blue arena surrounded in white blinding light
opaque quest
They said BF3 has to high standards we cant do that
cerulean crescent
You a real one fo sho
round pendant
Remember when Elden Ring popped off and western AAA devs were shitting on it for not having waypoints and shit like that?
jagged pier
its not resaonable for ppl to expect games like that
opaque quest
its not fair
Fuck to slow
round pendant
Nothing's gonna change
opaque quest
Cant expect a working game for 70 bucks nuh uh
Gamepass is the biggest boon. 10 bucks for endless demos to see if new xyz is shit
chilly brook
Cant expect a working game for 70 bucks nuh uh
Hell now you pay $70 for dlc that doesn’t even work and makes games worse
round pendant
Western devs got SO bitter over the success of Elden Ring lmao
chilly brook
cough CoD cough
opaque quest
Hell now you pay $70 for dlc that doesn’t even work and makes games worse
MW3 being listed as a DLC for MW2 is hilarious
I spit out my water when i read that
chilly brook
Refunded that shit so fast
round pendant
Larian Studios and CDPR, while I don't even like their games, I can see the effort that goes into them so I respect it. They're clearly making shit they care about (tho I think CDPR got a bit greedy with Cyberpunk at first)
opaque quest
Idk CP2077 was bad for over a year
chilly brook
Played 3 campaign missions uninstalled the campaign because it was so bad. Played multiplayer, saw I had to pick some stupid bullshit challenges to unlock guns now instead of them just being unlocked when you rank up. Uninstalled and hit that refund.
opaque quest
Played 3 campaign missions uninstalled the campaign because it was so bad. Playe...
People are rushing the campaign then refunding cause its so short lol
round pendant
Idk CP2077 was bad for over a year
Yep, but they "fixed" it which is better than most devs
chilly brook
I’m kinda a cyberpunk Stan
round pendant
Even shit like No Mans Sky has more soul than most western games simply because they cared to fix the issues rather than just taking the money and running
chilly brook
There were bugs but tbh the game was always good assuming you didn’t have bugs or performance issue
Story is the same now as it was on launch
opaque quest
I never enjoyed that i cant have a good ending in that game. I replayed the game for the DLC and gave my body to johnny. When he put the necklace into the grave i was done. So good
chilly brook
Only thing that’s changed is they fixed some bugs, souped up the talent trees and some of the gameplay, and added some story content in an expansion with some new guns and vehicle combat
round pendant
I'm glad that my takes aren't too hot anymore tho, seems finally people are realising that lots of devs are out of touch
chilly brook
I never enjoyed that i cant have a good ending in that game. I replayed the game...
But that’s the whole point of the universe
opaque quest
Ye good endings? For us? Wrong people wrong city
Didnt realize that until Johnny said it
chilly brook
A lot of people are criticizing the new ending but it’s actually so good
chilly brook
I won’t
opaque quest
Good. Was to busy playing new D4 season lol
blazing condor
Thats knuckles
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https://tenor.com/view/smile-idris-elba-handsome-gif-13970358
Breathtaking
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https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-knuckles-from-sonic2-knuckles-the-echidna-dance-...
I dont see a difference between the 2 pictures
chilly brook
I think the only thing that disappointed me about PL for Cyberpunk was no new romance options
chilly brook
But it is what it is, I just hope Cyberpunk 2077 2 is top tier
opaque quest
CP2078
chilly brook
What more do you need
I need songbird
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I need songbird
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Whats the difference
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11 am over here. Took the week off to go raid with Miliscent but he just went to bed and overslept reset
median tulip
lol. You can bug the Heartsbane Triad by killing them too quickly
jagged pier
yer same as bfa
crystal nest
which slots are best to put shadowflame patches this tier?
jagged pier
cloak and bracers
drowsy shale
jagged pier
yes
chrome falcon
is there any good loot in these dungeons
crystal nest
cloak and bracers
Cheers mate
strange lintel
is spellblock worth at all ?
jagged pier
check the sheet
opaque quest
You run spellblock in every dungeon
strange lintel
roger
jagged pier
i mean i wouldnt run it in Atal tbh
a lot of the stuff is reflectable
and some of the stuff is just dodge able
strange lintel
should i run the sheets talent build even if i dont have any of the tier 3 gear ?
or i wait to swap ?
jagged pier
u dont swap until u have new 4pc
strange lintel
got it
trim bay
This may have been discussed several times so if it has sorry. It's not in the pins. I fully understand that I should Sim just wanted some of your opinions of the waycrest manor main hand for prot?
jagged pier
its fine if its a higher ilvl
median tulip
This may have been discussed several times so if it has sorry. It's not in the p...
At this point ilvl > all
jagged pier
but its not the wep u want
trim bay
Ok sweet. And I should be waiting for next week's vault before making a shield? With the spark I mean
jagged pier
are u progging mythic?
teal swift
Ok sweet. And I should be waiting for next week's vault before making a shield? ...
Longer you wait to craft the better.
Focus on embellishments first.
If you're lazy like me a flavor pocket craft 3rd
teal swift
Fair
I guess he could leverage ilvl for mythic.
I'ma send it on 2x embellishments and 1x flavour pocket and just grind m+ for hero track gear lul
trim bay
Nah I don't prog raid. Mythic anyway. Just heroic raid and cap out low 20s in keys
jagged pier
then probably want to craft a shield first as its the highest ilvl ull get
rain topaz
I got the recipe for flourishing dream helm, is it good for us?
rain topaz
ah ok, thanks
drifting river
sucks major ass right
jagged pier
no?
its fine
but its not the wep u want
the fyrakk one does more damage
and also has secondarys on it
if its a higher ilvl than your current wep tho
its good
drifting river
alright thought it's doo doo
echo egret
then probably want to craft a shield first as its the highest ilvl ull get
Correct me if I’m wrong, but M+ 20s will yield great vault items that can be upgraded to max level (bar very rare drops from late M raid bosses) ?
jagged pier
its 18s
but eh i dont even know what shields m+ gives
and the first boss on mythic drops a shield wtih haste/crit (first boss will be puggable too )
sick sentinel
i didnt even loo into it at all but what happens to node where inspiring presence iswas
jagged pier
but yes i guess u can risk the vault
but i didnt get a forgestorm for the whole of the season there is a chance u dont get a shield
small but a chance
echo egret
Aye that’s the great vault design
sick sentinel
im just gunna craft shield early as possible
use pepega shield or current crafted till then
soft plume
what are prot warrior bis embellishments this tier
opaque quest
Check the FAQ
soft plume
shadowflame is better than frostfire belt? i thought that was bis before
soft plume
i quit after like 2 months of last season so i guess that makes sense
anything wrong with just putting shadowflame crafted shield
jagged pier
well yes and no
crafted isnt higher ilvl anymore
so if u get a higher shield u wasted a craft on the shield
opaque quest
So glad @flat stratus and i are getting zero items while being 2nd and 3rd in dps fml
Meanwhile FOTM DHs with 90k are winning signets xd
hardy snow
i didnt even loo into it at all but what happens to node where inspiring presenc...
from 10.2 patch notes
jagged pier
so u want to craft embleshiments on cloak and bracers to not impact stats too much
soft plume
is mythic raiding the only way to get higher ilvl than crafted shield
jagged pier
no vault from an 18 or higher key max upgraded
soft plume
those are mythic track?
jagged pier
yes
lusty tiger
I liked the raid so far, we still have to kill the last 2 bosses
jagged pier
i mean bliz want more ppl to get into raiding so normal being ez isnt suprising apprently hc has some harder bosses later that are tuned well
so thats good
forshadowing for mythic
opaque quest
Ye its good
We oneshot everything except fyrakk
I hope HC falls fast too so i can stop playing
Blizz still trolling
lusty tiger
Hell yeah
coarse ginkgo
Deathwing call back, neat!
hardy snow
thats from 10.1
opaque quest
Whats this?
flat stratus
@opaque quest bragging beating me today he only beat me on 1 boss
opaque quest
Ignore him like he ignored every mechanic
hardy ridge
Whats this?
P sure the green text explains it chief
opaque quest
P sure the green text explains it chief
Dunno. Usually procc items dont have additional purple text
hardy ridge
Dunno. Usually procc items dont have additional purple text
I suspect this one does bc it inflicts dmg to the user, a warning of sorts
opaque quest
Possible. Yea
lusty tiger
Whats this?
R u playing frost?
knotty vortex
So is that wowhead article wrong for embellishments. I thought 2 x shadowflame
strong forum
Not entirely, it just doesn't mention that its 2x shadowflame
opaque quest
R u playing frost?
Im main UH but since i got 2x1 im trying breath
nimble sluice
So no more Frostfire belt, just go shadowflame on cloak/bracers?
strong forum
Ye
nimble sluice
I assume that spans all content, raid & M+?
jagged pier
ye
nimble sluice
Well thats easy
fiery pendant
tips for living oakheart? i got railed when i was in there on a 16 and about to do 18
does spellblock work vs it? i didnt notice damage type before
jagged pier
not the dot
fiery pendant
i guess i can wall 1st 3rd
strong forum
Leap the breath, cycle through cds for the grip
strong forum
If you play bounding you can leap every single breath
But I can't remember if evoker buff is needed ontop of that or not
strong forum
Away from the boss
fiery pendant
ok
strong forum
Don't aim at party
fiery pendant
worked a treat ty
torn gulch
sucks major ass right
I wonder how is this weapon at 489 vs a 483 fyrakk weapon is that implemented in the sims can i run the numbers?
jagged pier
like that
torn gulch
so the absolute target for someone who will not see fyrakk on mythic is the heroic weapon
violet flume
i think the cleaning is slow
jagged pier
so the absolute target for someone who will not see fyrakk on mythic is the hero...
yes
violet flume
but that boss is a shitshow
jagged pier
they gunna change/tune that boss
violet flume
yea theres no way tghey dont
torn gulch
some of the trash needs a look as well in there
violet flume
my last group destroyed the entire place just to wipe 8x on him lol
blazing condor
is the patch pogging
waxen frigate
but that boss is a shitshow
Last boss of ToT?
violet flume
ya
blazing condor
lei shen is baby
waxen frigate
We did it on a 16 and it seemed ok but I didn’t really know what was going on
violet flume
idk how good my pug group was at clearing oil but it covered the entire floor at the end
opaque quest
is the patch pogging
New raid is piss easy
But ppl still fuck up the easiest mechanics
blazing condor
el classico
opaque quest
WIll take 2-3 days for ppl to be ready for HC
Gotta wait for them to clear normal first
jagged pier
nah hc smolderon actually will wall a lot of ppl
watching it now
need good movement and decent damage check as well
opaque quest
We wiped on worm boss cause healer had 60k hps
jagged pier
sick sentinel
mythic fyrrak is gunna be gross
waxen frigate
nah hc smolderon actually will wall a lot of ppl
The smooth jazz on echo stream though
jagged pier
yer
literally pog
but pugs gunna struggle on this
probably bosses before hand
might be ez on normal
but yer hc seems to be a jump
which is good
waxen frigate
It was easy ish on normal
We didn’t wipe but it felt super unclean
Our movement was dogshit but it didn’t matter bc nothing did damage on normal
strong forum
God I love multiplayer games on patch day
You still can't play cuz nobody is fucking online
opaque quest
We didn’t wipe but it felt super unclean
Same for us
But we were running with a pug
Our pip boss fight was scuffed af
Pretty sure that one is gonna ruin pugs
blazing condor
wait did mythic release this week too?
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
as usual now
opaque quest
Yea
blazing condor
interestin
jagged pier
it comes week 1
strong forum
There's no more heroic only week
Was the same in aberrus
And I think voti too?
Can't remember
jagged pier
ye
strong forum
I think was only aberrus
waxen frigate
All of DF
blazing condor
dam
strong forum
Was it?
waxen frigate
I think
hybrid cloak
anyone know where to get the dreaming wyrm crest when you are renowned 20?
blazing condor
so guess makes sense
toxic pewter
anyone know where to get the dreaming wyrm crest when you are renowned 20?
prob central encampment in emerald dream from that keeper of the grove dude
hybrid cloak
na nothing there for me at least
ancient venture
I'm sorry for this cuz im for sure blind and its posted somewhere. Do we go 2p 2p for M+? Or stay old 4pc til we get new 4pc?
hybrid cloak
2pc 2pc
strong forum
New 2pc is VASTLY stronger than the entirety of t30
graceful leaf
Can’t wait to try it. Sitting at 3 piece now with bis shield from raid. Got to be to late for m+ but I’m ready to try!
hybrid cloak
prob central encampment in emerald dream from that keeper of the grove dude
a dumb litttle dragon that flies next to gives you a quest to get it
opaque quest
gz
silent vessel
DOTI Upper sucks
blazing condor
called it
sick sentinel
2nd half upper?
opaque quest
2nd half upper?
ye
silent vessel
+16 final boss already hurts a lot on 447 gear
opaque quest
Gotta ask panda waifu for a key
nimble skiff
Having spell block is a god send this season. God damn
sick sentinel
see, the way i am going to solve that probelm
is just start calling them rise and fall
whenever i list key or somethin
nimble skiff
Any tips for the last hallway on tot? I tanked a 12 last night and that shit was b r u t a l
sick sentinel
ill say like, oh, pre boss 3 fall trash
waxen frigate
Any tips for the last hallway on tot? I tanked a 12 last night and that shit was...
Pray
sick sentinel
not really no
waxen frigate
I did a 16 and we had like
nimble skiff
That seems the general consensus lol. Do you pull it all and yolo or one swell thing at a time
waxen frigate
A dozen deaths to the gauntlet
sick sentinel
it just does fuck loads of dmg
you died on it lots in heroic
back in the day in lfd
i remember this
waxen frigate
you died on it lots in heroic
It’s different
nimble skiff
Healer died like 59 times (exaggerating)
sick sentinel
oh, last i remember it was like 1 big guy with bunch of non elites and they do a black thing around them
deals oil dmg whatever
nimble skiff
I just lived? Idk how but I pulled it out without dying, was pretty hype
waxen frigate
I just lived? Idk how but I pulled it out without dying, was pretty hype
It doesn’t do a ton of tank dmg
silent vessel
swirlies everywhere and so bright
opaque quest
Healer situation might get better when healers get used to the changes
waxen frigate
It just kills everyone else
nimble skiff
Ah
opaque quest
swirlies everywhere and so bright
Get ready for new raid. Everytime a fire mechanic comes you get blinded
nimble skiff
I thought I was doing something right, lol
silent vessel
Get ready for new raid. Everytime a fire mechanic comes you get blinded
i was in LFR; that was fine so far
sick sentinel
god damn lightning
silent vessel
but im worried about whats about to come
opaque quest
i was in LFR; that was fine so far
Wait for penultimate and fyrakk
silent vessel
monka
nimble skiff
Listen if I can go in and tank it with knowing the first 2 bosses and nothing on smolderon and still 1 shot it, we Gucci
echo egret
but i didnt get a forgestorm for the whole of the season there is a chance u don...
I never got any either. And this is my vault today :
dusky canopy
LOL
silent vessel
😆
opaque quest
Cant upgrade it 
dusky canopy
what a game aye
waxen frigate
Forgestorm cringe tho
opaque quest
New axe doesnt seem super op tho which is good. On heroic gnarlroot my normal version did 800k
dusky canopy
still must have for parse
opaque quest
Yes sir
opaque quest
Sounds about right
torn gulch
New axe doesnt seem super op tho which is good. On heroic gnarlroot my normal ve...
we discussed earlier even a heroic version of it is second bis basically behind the mythic one
not super op but bis
opaque quest
Why do we want to take battering ram instead of show of force?
Atk speed is rage
Atk speed is SS resets
glacial skiff
is that the only reason?
knotty hornet
So how's everyone doing
glacial skiff
Yeah, just trying to understand the reasoning. I've ran both talents and tbh haven't noticed much in terms of throughput either way
knotty hornet
Everbloom and Throne of the Tides are way too hard
glacial skiff
except better ST damage with battering
strong forum
And more rage throughout the run
Which means more avatars
More outbursts
More shield walls
Ykno, irrelevant things
cosmic wyvern
Everbloom and Throne of the Tides are way too hard
I like throne personally. It’s definitely difficult though.
A lot of the other dungeons are fairly easy though so it balances out
knotty hornet
I like throne personally. It’s definitely difficult though.
I think it's mostly the lack of clarity
Since it's the oldest dungeon
winged slate
jagged pier
we knew that tho
opaque quest
Not a fan of most dungeons being easy then one breaking your neck
cosmic wyvern
The last boss is extremely punishing
opaque quest
Pre nerf RLP was a dead key. Not a fan of that happening again
silent vessel
Everbloom and Throne of the Tides are way too hard
i only went everbloom 16
and it was okayish
knotty hornet
i only went everbloom 16
Maybe our gears sucked
silent vessel
but some of the mobs really need to be kicked
silent vessel
yeah i pulled quite carefully
knotty hornet
Packs were all fine, up until 3rd boss
waxen frigate
2nd boss just didn't die
Did you kick the healer
knotty hornet
Did you kick the healer
Yeah we did
grim pilot
2nd boss requires a lot of kicks
silent vessel
2nd boss the casters?
knotty hornet
I mean the mechanics were rough, but we did try to
silent vessel
just let the healer mob do its thing and focus on the right guy
grim pilot
And some coordination
knotty hornet
AoE damage was the main issue
waxen frigate
And melee heavy grp
silent vessel
you can manage to not have puddles in the tank spot at all
tank runs out
and melees need to properly time it
and run out as well
then you wont have goo where they are tanked (i.e. right caster dude)
silent vessel
AoE damage was the main issue
aoe damage only applies if either you dont kick the ultimate casts or your group is standing a lot in goo
🤔
waxen frigate
Is the spam cast nature’s wrath or something not aoe?
knotty hornet
Is the spam cast nature’s wrath or something not aoe?
Think they target random players
And no not AOE
silent vessel
yeah its single cast spell but still hurts
waxen frigate
hence you kick it
That’s the one he’s spamming, you can’t kick them all
And it’s more important to kick the heal and stun
silent vessel
you kick what you can to reduce the pressure
waxen frigate
Ya
stone jewel
is there a way to clear the tank debuff in p3 of fyrakk?
waxen frigate
Maybe bubble or spell bop
But otherwise not that I’m aware of
I just kinda ate it last night
I think it’s some sort of pseudo enrage for tanks
stone jewel
yeah it seemed like one
normal rampart
skinticket prot warrior:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gKxbdR8ZHvGqWDnQ#fight=last&view=rankings
please help, why is my damage so low? I feel like I should be doing much more
I'm not as good as I used to be but 43% is somewhere I don't like being
91% ilvl parse for smold:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VDtFcvbd9KLGJa1A#fight=25&source=8&view=rankings
84% ilvl for tindral:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VDtFcvbd9KLGJa1A#fight=32&source=8&view=rankings
so like I can do some damage on occasion, but in general I am much lower than I want to be
stone jewel
we just kind of did whatever and it was fine last night, but i figured i would check if I missed anything
waxen frigate
I’d wait a few more days for the top guilds to do more reps on fyrakk and let the info trickle down
jagged pier
skinticket prot warrior:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gKxbdR8ZHvGqWDnQ#...
i mean your outburst useage is aweful
11 to 5
on a ST boss
normal rampart
i mean your outburst useage is aweful
super fair, I am not used to that talent or tracking it, that is something new I'm working on
stone jewel
also total casts seem low. my fyrakk kill was 10 seconds longer and i had 13 more shield slams, 30 more autos, etc
my parse wasn't great but just comparing
normal rampart
didn't someone have a ss and ip macro that helped get more out? should I be using something like that to try and get a few more globals in
stone jewel
yes, true i was
jagged pier
didn't someone have a ss and ip macro that helped get more out? should I be usin...
its in the pins
and thats doesnt replace your SS button
its replaces your IP bind
normal rampart
👍
stone jewel
i forgot i get to be in WF this tier, thats very valid
stone jewel
i mean your outburst useage is aweful
how do you filter this?
jagged pier
u press the outburst icon on damage done
stone jewel
cool thank you
normal rampart
i mean your outburst useage is aweful
I only have the talent but I haven't been tracking when it pops, i've just been letting it happen whenever, so I'll work on that
waxen frigate
There’s some good weakauras for it on Wago
buoyant inlet
i mean your outburst useage is aweful
What's it supposed to be?
Spent on SS?
Mostly?
jagged pier
well on a ST fight like smolderon pretty much only on SS
buoyant inlet
Kk
normal rampart
well on a ST fight like smolderon pretty much only on SS
if ss on cooldown and trying to save rage for ip or sb i do tc to try to get a ss reset
jagged pier
i hponestly dont know when u are saving rage for anything
but u revenge to get a SS cast
normal rampart
just trying to spend more rage on ip than revenge because I am bad at spamming revenge and then not being able to ip or sb
nimble skiff
I feel like that's the opposite of what should happen since ip is offgcd
But I'm a lowly peon who knows FA
normal rampart
there is a good chance I waste rage on IP by using it when it's already capped and can revenge more
toxic tiger
i can just craft my item now right? like wrist or back?
vagrant yoke
does it make sense to have a WA that tracks our tier set
errant leaf
i can just craft my item now right? like wrist or back?
Dont do that
toxic tiger
why?
toxic pewter
that how i feel too
violet flume
am i unlucky with pugs or is there a bug with the dungeon finder. Every galakrond's fall pug i got into ended up being a murozond's rise
like 3x in a row
toxic pewter
this used to happen with tazavesh in shadowlands a lot lol, people simply list the key wrong due to wahtever reason
craggy pilot
did they change anything with Logs/dps meter and Augmentation? Or is it still kinda weird?
onyx hedge
hey guys, I'm on tank duty for keys for a while and wanted to ask, is it worth to drop t30 4p for only 2p if I swap 2 441s for 470s on those slots ? mostly looking at survivability, since I know damage I could just SIM
cosmic wyvern
B TIER LETS FUCKING GO
onyx hedge
since the 4p does give us nice damage reduction and some damage, but its only after LS drops so I was thinking about that
haven't played prot in a while so was curious
dusky canopy
how many crests for new crafted piece?
cosmic wyvern
I believe its 45 wyrms or 60 aspects
torn gulch
yes
stable flower
How is prot war in comparison to prot pally. Love both but looking to main one.
nimble skiff
But then you have to put your faith in the light instead of ignoring the pain and blasting
dull sleet
And people expect you to use the utility
As a warrior you just stand there and bleed and sometimes shout weirdly
toxic pewter
has blizz implemented better luck in the game shop yet
how much i gotta pay to win a roll these days
violet flume
tbh when i play prot paladin
i miss our 3x stun, fear and reflect
but yeah prot pally utility is better
violet flume
i got triggered the other day
i saw darkness is 2x more effective when in 5man
but we get nerf to rallying cry
hasty zephyr
Spell reflect is the best
toxic pewter
u guys think i have to tell augvokers to cleanse my bleeds or they should know they have that ability
(no i am not dward and I will not switch to dwarf for now)
can the dog bleed from tott be cleansed
violet flume
cleansed by death
opaque quest
u guys think i have to tell augvokers to cleanse my bleeds or they should know t...
I started asking in Ulda if ppl track bleeds
Very few do
Cause: Im a dps only heals dispell
ebon geyser
also bear got his bugged fix so they are back
waxen frigate
u guys think i have to tell augvokers to cleanse my bleeds or they should know t...
They should know
waxen frigate
can the dog bleed from tott be cleansed
Yes
toxic pewter
ngl didnt get one bleed clear that whole tott
lmao
had to even.. kite.. O_O
gross
waxen frigate
Lmao if only I had the opportunity to kite
Pulled the dog patrol and just got deleted
split pecan
what embellishments should we craft?
lusty grotto
drifting river
I learned the hard way to just kite these mobs😂
sick sentinel
dont leave the witches in the candles!
and kick the one guys (i forget his name or the spell) but its either they make you deal 50% less dmg or they and allies take 50% less dmg for like, 30 seconds or some really bad key killing time
violet flume
waycrest visibility sucks tho
i had never done it and jesus
but outside of that yeah its a nice dungeon
sick sentinel
its, it is what it is dungeon
the one im thinking of is like a knight or guard or some shit
he does a bunch of melee normally hurts
edgy kindle
Dumb question, will we switch Into the Fray for Heavy Repercusions when we have 4-set and get rid of Bolster? To maintain 100% SB uptime I mean
Nvm me, just saw the pinned comment, sry
tardy grove
Is there a build guide for each dungeon in the discord?
jagged pier
no because u generally run the same build and swap maybe 1 point depending on dungeon
tardy grove
That’s what I was thinking, thanks
karmic plinth
i think llarold has made builds for each dungeon on the wowhead guide but they seem to also just be locked in as one build
tardy grove
Transitioning from prot pal to prot warrior, I like the simplicity haha
dull sleet
Are you saying we are dumb
tardy grove
I’m saying I enjoy not having to swap talents each dungeon because half the time I forget to do so lol
dull sleet
Also
This discord is way more active and fun than the Pala one
waxen frigate
It’s because I’m here
opaque quest
Also
This discord is way more active and fun than the Pala one
I said the same about the DK discord
lusty tiger
It’s because I’m here
I only stay for Nish
dusky canopy
I dont believe you
dusky canopy
Yor'ue*
dull sleet
Nish are you gonna break your 4001 rio this season
waxen frigate
Ñö
urban portal
He can’t
dull sleet
😢
lusty tiger
I dont believe you
:3
waxen frigate
:3
lusty tiger
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
dusky canopy
I wonder if my middle finger macro works in disc
ill try it and delete it so be quick
HAHAHAHAHA
gotta fix a few ligns
but it works better in game xD
young wasp
Hey gang, 447 Forgestorm gets replaced by around what ilvl wep?
lusty tiger
447 any wep
dusky canopy
431
daring marlin
pisstorm
dusky canopy
down with the
austere oar
how do I compare active tanking uptime between the 2 tanks on wlogs ?
dusky canopy
lusty tiger
how do I compare active tanking uptime between the 2 tanks on wlogs ?
what exactly are you trying to find out?
austere oar
basically what % of the fight am I tanking the boss and what % of the fight the other tank is tanking the boss
lusty tiger
basically what % of the fight am I tanking the boss and what % of the fight the ...
threat
post log and i can show if u want
yes
austere oar
amazing thank you 🙂
lusty tiger
lofty hollow
Hi Guys 😄 do we have a bis sheet for Raid / M+ for prot
blazing condor
diod they remove frontal on 2nd boss doti?
violet mica
Guys should I be using the new 2set instead of the old 4set?
I dont have the new 4set only 2 atm
dusky canopy
yes
hardy snow
gnarloot dropped shield, loot council gives to hpala "cause healer>tank and he use it" 
jagged pier
is it the mythic one tho?
hardy snow
not yet fortunately
jagged pier
then why care
hardy snow
but im afraid they are too dumb to understand and on mythic it can be same...
sick sentinel
no idea wtf it is but some 250 mb update for d4, i got to like lvl 5 on that so far probably a new storemount
toxic pewter
u guys use your catalyst charge yet
toxic pewter
gnarloot dropped shield, loot council gives to hpala "cause healer>tank and he u...
i unironically would gquit at that time
dusky canopy
I got a tier piece from raid so i used mine to get 2 pc
jagged pier
but im afraid they are too dumb to understand and on mythic it can be same...
just be on the loot council
toxic pewter
is that paladin on the loot council
lusty tiger
just be on the loot council
jakey hogging all the loot
hardy snow
just be on the loot council
whats funnny in this case - I am, but it was 1:3 vote XD
violet flume
nah man the minuscule stat boost a holy pal gets is more important kek
toxic pewter
in some countries you would be arrested for something like this
violet flume
failed all my +16s on wrrior but prot paladin 1shots his
toxic pewter
just update dbm
sick sentinel
i can search the wa pack when it becomes available
toxic pewter
failed all my +16s on wrrior but prot paladin 1shots his <:yep:70342092362507880...
wait why you failing on ur warr
toxic pewter
ahh
zealous willow
What is the proc % for tier set ? Does it proc often for shield slam
blazing condor
so do we go spell block for all dgs or what was the consensus
inner dune
Faq has a blurb
sick sentinel
I don't take any new talents until i get at least 2pct31 right
craggy pilot
is there any respawn points in the new raid? 🤔 we are at Larodar and we are still respawning at the start of the raid on wipes
sick sentinel
in season 2 bis so i dunno what to do for talents
sick sentinel
oh fuck i just remember i have to do the totems due to having to do AD
so many dreams shattered due to ppl cant do the totems in BFA
hardy snow
is there any tank guide for fyrak?
craggy pilot
yeah at the owl
owl gives respawn?
silent vessel
yeah at owl and fyrakk you rezz
craggy pilot
ah ok, thats a long run if you die on Larodar with no Warlock then :<
silent vessel
yea
sick sentinel
silent vessel
idk why they didnt allow mounting
sick sentinel
i like this person and i will never meet them
real fossil
waxen frigate
is there any respawn points in the new raid? 🤔 we are at Larodar and we are sti...
Simply don’t wipe
hardy snow
is gholak bis in st only, same as forgestorm was, or its also good in aoe?
silent vessel
ok i am 2pc andy now, lets see how this feels
sick sentinel
i could have run it faster
some of these dungeons im comfortable in, some not
like this, i dont know the route or abilities
hardy snow
so it will scale into aoe
great, thanks, we got two on first kill
blazing condor
got the Ursol statue treasure for free
cus it recognized me as pandaren
love to see it
sick sentinel
what are things yogi does not probably know to do at a meta lvl that i should know
about this dungeon
3rd boss im not so sure about, first 2 seem easy enough
nimble skiff
what are things yogi does not probably know to do at a meta lvl that i should kn...
Just go zugzug. 3rd boss there's something to interrupt I think that's it tho. Been awhile for me
silent vessel
yeah i had to learn routes today aswell
sick sentinel
well the thing about me why its crucial i know
is cuz i skipped the entire expansion in which it exists
and only loosely know some of the route and mechanics
i only am aware of what i think happens in there due to tw
nimble skiff
The route is go left at the fork at the start, loop around then go the other path
sick sentinel
2100 stam trinket in there and 5300 haste trinket
waxen frigate
some of these dungeons im comfortable in, some not
I believe in you yogi
I’ve only done 2 dungeons so far but I literally just held W
And timed a 14 and 16
toxic pewter
anyone been using disrupting shout
sick sentinel
not really no
toxic pewter
got this trinket in lfr and its pretty good, devastator auto attacks even trigger it which is cool
teal swift
like this, i dont know the route or abilities
Slap in dorki route pull exactly as it's shown
And then read log to see what did damage for next time
opaque quest
is there any respawn points in the new raid? 🤔 we are at Larodar and we are sti...
Heal the trees up and you get a move speed
modern gazelle
whats the raid build if you still have 4pc from s2?
silent vessel
same as before
modern gazelle
👍🏻
vestal moat
anyone having poroblems with the spell reflect weak aura proccing when party members are being targeted, not just me?
sick sentinel
that one wasnt hard either
didnt get trinkets
over puilled is only reason we had wipe
strong forum
got this trinket in lfr and its pretty good, devastator auto attacks even trigge...
its just worse grapnel
idk
blazing condor
it sims high i think
sick sentinel
I wonder how many of these trinkets were written by chat gpt
strong forum
it sims high i think
So did grapnel
toxic pewter
Yeah it is similar to grapnel now that you mention it
strong forum
Like it's just 2.5min cd grapnel without the hook
toxic pewter
Instead of pulling me to mob it slows me down lmao
blazing condor
stinky vers shield
strong forum
That's a single player rpg shield right there
sick sentinel
totally not busted at all
thats a paladin shield
it never draws metal grey or black or wooden shields
balmy narwhal
Is this any good for prot? or should I just go for weapons with stat? I have a 457 weapon with crit mast
strong forum
For ST it's alright
sick sentinel
i forgot all about that one
strong forum
For m+ it's pretty bad
sick sentinel
its nice ya, it does a ton of dmg when it goes off, just, you are sacrificing something for it
stats
i like it, if i have nothing else i would use that, its like new forgestorm and everyones gunna come in after getting it and "is this good for us"
10 times a day
lone wren
The new bracers embellished is good for us?
strong forum
Gaming
brisk perch
at what sb uptime can i start flaming tanks in dungeons?
dusky canopy
99.9%
sick sentinel
i got huge blacksmithing now
strong forum
Anything below 83% imo
sick sentinel
flame them mostly
when they take hits to the back
or they channel something causing them to get hit unblocked
we dont really channel many things but there are some racials like that, zanda, tauren... uhhh dunno for rest
bombs, we cast those if we use them
if they are facing the mobs at all times and they just let sb sometimes, oh well, they are probably learning or being lazy
warm plinth
Yooo got a 470 sandglass
Nicely done sir
warm plinth
Anything below 83% imo
I second this. Honestly even below 90 I start to question
I'm talking blocked hits ofc
Not actual SB uptime, since that's kinda irrelevant
sick sentinel
kind of it is cuz then they are losing 30% ss dmg for that 17% sb not up time
which is aggro, so losing aggro block and dmg, not good look for us
soft plume
how does prot feel about spores alacrity
sick sentinel
me, i dont have it i like it on paper, all of protection will say "bad take yogi" and they are not wrong
could be alot of fun, but im not sure how good it would really be, interesting during lust phase
sick sentinel
i only got some gloves so far
but oinly did 2 dungeon so
i dont know this route
chilly brook
What tank is looking to be doing the most damage this season?
sick sentinel
well i think you should ask raid or keys or ST
chilly brook
keys
sick sentinel
so someone give you most accurate answer
chilly brook
never gonna end up doing raid tanking outside of when it's needed
sick sentinel
im not sure, im sticking to that legendary axe bdk might be something in keys
cosmic wyvern
is crit still better than vers
bleak breach
i dont know this route
There’s a skip at the start over a rock wall, other then that you nearly pull everything.
Once you skip just go up right side, I believe after you get all the trash.
bleak breach
is crit still better than vers
Fairly equal, crit outweighs vers only purely dps, but vers gives the other stuff too. Also no beacon probably lowers crits value slightly as a lot of the new trinks don’t crit.
I’m running more vers then crit atm and finding things really smooth, either way with the ilvls we got a lot of both stats.
hardy snow
So I've tested Ursine trinket on few raid fights and dungeons, and its dogshit af
lusty grotto
vers really isnt higher than parry defensivewise
they are more or less the same
crit might be a bit higher defensivewise
bleak breach
So I've tested Ursine trinket on few raid fights and dungeons, and its dogshit a...
Damn, so not seeming to be as effective as it sims?
lusty grotto
but since it only applies to melee hits, well it evens out
hardy snow
Damn, so not seeming to be as effective as it sims?
nah, thats Fyrakk for example:
bleak breach
I know it doesn’t seem great for single target, but heavy aoe it is supposed to go bananas
hardy snow
was better on tindral
thats +17 galakrond fall, I know its not high key, so it may not be good test, but still...
bleak breach
That’s just going off bloodmallet, comparison of 1 target vs 5
But also they have to be meleeing you don’t they? So doesn’t help at all with casters.
Yeah Wowee, that’s still not a lot in that key.
Will be nice in everbloom and a couple with heaps of meleeing adds at the start.
hardy snow
It looks like effect "whenever you or an ally takes damage" procs only from high enough damage, like sark cloak
strong forum
Ursine is bugged
It Falls of everytime you charge
Falls of when you parry
It's not supposed to do that, it's just mega bugged rn
hardy snow
oh, thanks, I will keep it then for future
strong forum
There are some other trinkets also bugged aswell
hardy snow
and good old Sark's bacon still does pew pew, despite nerf 
strong forum
Shalamayne putting in work
And mandl got augury from fyrakk
Trinket did 13k dps in Wcm for him
hardy snow
Gholak on Iridikron does his job due to >90% buff
strong forum
Yeah it's nuts on that boss
bleak breach
I think I sold my beacon already hahaha
Second I replaced it I was like cya
Rezan is nasty on ST, not so sure about aoe though. My anvil was still doing more then rezan in keys overall.
chilly brook
is wafting the play now?
chilly brook
oh sheeeeesh
strong forum
Atleast on my sims
chilly brook
sorry I'm an Arms andy now
bleak breach
I got the everbloom shield which is naughty and eye of rezan
That’s about it so far
Some crit haste cape too
toxic pewter
U think it worth catalyzing non hero or mythic track gear
Like champion gear
I guess to make two piece which I won’t have yet
strong forum
Not until you have 2 raid tier pieces
Once you get 2 raid tier pieces, you can get your 3rd tier piece with KSM token, then 4th via catalyst
strong forum
Ye, don't catalyse or send token just to get 2 piece
Cuz you can control which slot
toxic pewter
Yah that makes more sense the way you put it
strong forum
drop you can't control
glacial ridge
M+ this season before T31 do we go spell block instead of bolster and still just pump Last Stand on cooldown
lusty grotto
if you have t30 you send LS on cd
2 pc
if you dont
then do not use bolster, use HR instead
glacial ridge
So right now i still have 4pc T30, i just stick with Bolster instead of Shield Block and hope the healer can keep up on big magic packs
lusty grotto
i mean
strong forum
Or...
lusty grotto
use spell block
strong forum
Just pick Spellblock aswell?
lusty grotto
but remove bloodsurge for it
strong forum
Gotta say tho it's actually less useful than I thought so far
Found less good opportunities to use it
lusty grotto
bolster and spell block arent interchangeable
strong forum
Outside of everbloom
glacial ridge
yeh i just ran everbloom lol
strong forum
Like in brh seemed meh, Wcm defo whack
Atal kind of a wash
It's funny that you can't solo brh 3rd boss anymore
The 2nd charge already kills on an 11 if you don't pop major CDs
bleak breach
Yeah, I haven’t honestly found a lot of times I’ve needed spell block yet
Outside that stupid mage gauntlet in everbloom
The keys seem way undertuned compared to what I thought. I think players will be in high 30s by end of tier at this rate
strong forum
Eh keys seem pretty normal
sick sentinel
i still need to learn real mechanics of EB bosses
strong forum
EB 2nd boss is a mess for us
sick sentinel
i just pepega swing sword at bad guy dont stand in fire
strong forum
Cuz you can only SW so many charges
sick sentinel
we only died to me pulling to much trash twice
bleak breach
Yeah, he got a bit nasty, but I think I only did a 3
sick sentinel
once at start, once at the top of the hill toward 2nd boss
bleak breach
12 sorry
sick sentinel
they just evolved into biggger pulls than i was ready for
bleak breach
Got +3 though
timber nest
hmm, what weapon enchant is everyone using? sims have wafting > sophic for me
bleak breach
hmm, what weapon enchant is everyone using? sims have wafting > sophic for me
I use shadowflame, don’t get enough uptime on the others
opaque quest
hmm, what weapon enchant is everyone using? sims have wafting > sophic for me
Use what sim says
Robot is always right
bitter marten
Hey guys, I'm just starting to play prot warr and I've got a few questions about light defensive units.
I've been spamming ignore pain a lot and when I see it's not enough I use shield block. Is that right? If you have any more tips I'd be grateful
timber nest
no
always have shield block up, especially when taking melee/blockable damage
spam IP
bitter marten
always have shield block up, especially when taking melee/blockable damage
As for ignore pain? How should I use it?
timber nest
spamm it
bitter marten
Ah, I see. So I should use both all the time
Have any content creators been posting dungeon pov's and the like in these first few days of S3?
About prot warr
violet flume
spam it is wrong, you want to use ignore pain when youre about to cap rage
its a rage dump
you want to keep enough rage to use revenge when shieldslam and thunder clap are on cd
chilly brook
The 2nd charge already kills on an 11 if you don't pop major CDs
I didn't pop any CDs and was the only one soaking every charge on a 15
strong forum
Luck I guess