10.2
#protection
strong forum
lusty tiger
sweeeeeet
silent vessel
what was m0 base ilvl now? 437?
cerulean tusk
437 in dawn, normal was on the track bellow
silent vessel
ty
violet flume
ozumat in throne of tides
idk if my group was shit
but jesus
everything else on +13 ezpz but this boss black stuff everywhere, i saw them clearing too
strong forum
that boss is way overtuned
people spent more time on that boss on ptr than the rest of the dungeon
jagged pier
^
blazing condor
good thing they changed it though
it was always kinda ass
then again maybe its even more ass rn i havent tried it
strong forum
its just overtuned
vapid rapids
Hey all quick question, how do u guys efficiently gather mobs in a m+ pull, coming from prot pally ime sorely missing a ranged aoe likr avengers shield
Is it just heroic throw and charging about?
strong forum
yes
jagged pier
u move all the melee mobs to the range mobs
lusty tiger
^
vapid rapids
Aight just need some more practice then i guess
lusty tiger
takes a while to get used to
vapid rapids
Thanks 🙂
Yeh i usally end up tanking m+ first few weeks due to it being easier to make guild groups, was used to the ease of pally gathering
blazing condor
ez
vapid rapids
Cool thanks again all
strong forum
Yeh i usally end up tanking m+ first few weeks due to it being easier to make gu...
atleast our ranged throw doesnt have a CD
sudden grotto
what is a 0 hour m+ group
waxen frigate
man 0 hour M+ groups are something else
Week 1 pushing is bis
So fun
Nobody cares about mistakes, everyone is learning, you just blast
strong forum
unless your name ends with monk
then you flame your healer
for being in catform and go apeshit on him
waxen frigate
Dxm smoge
sick sentinel
i got atal dazar 6
blazing condor
pog key tbh
sick sentinel
yeah so 8.2 that sounds easy enough
8.0 and 8.1 maybe i did priestess first
it was the first one on the dungeon boss list, so thats what i did was part oif it
warm plinth
Priestess first didn't happen much before awakened because the trash on that side blows
sick sentinel
WHEN LFR
warm plinth
They changed how lfr comes out this season. First wing opens with the raid
sick sentinel
all 3 wings are already to go on week 1
shit nvm ur right
it puts the new raid in the middle i was looking at the bottom, sort by alphavet i guess
blazing condor
fuck em
jagged pier
the first wing has 2 tier bosses
warm plinth
I guess we get a new wing the first 3 weeks and then last wing opens 2 weeks following the third on Dec 12
dusky canopy
Imagine the rage if mythic came out in wings
Lmao
Speaking of wings
That sounds like a banger meal today
Prob making that happen
sick sentinel
the main things i would change about lfr
3 things
1, you can do normal lfr if u want never heroic mythic, ever
2, you can qeue for the entire raid all bosses
3, all wings are avialable day 1
sick sentinel
also, the old search restore items feature
median tulip
Imagine the rage if mythic came out in wings
IMO this would be an improvement
grizzled nova
IMO this would be an improvement
in what way
prisma crane
IMO this would be an improvement
it would do literally nothing for like 99% of players
waxen frigate
^
Even top 500 guilds literally wouldn’t care lol
Like that strictly gatekeeps top level players for zero benefit to the average player
jagged gust
I like the sound of that
prisma crane
yep, and artificially extending content is terrible anyways
LFR should be full release imo
median tulip
In my experience with games that opened endgame content in stages (& bear in mind I am OLD and have been playing MMOs for a very long time), having a system where people can't rush to completion fosters a more collegiate and less elitist atmosphere amongst the playerbase
prisma crane
but it does nothing for nearly the entire playerbase
waxen frigate
I’m gonna be real I think that that’s just the internet and gaming culture changing
jagged gust
Fuck over the top 1% for our amusement? My kinda fun
prisma crane
you can be as elitist as you want, but nearly zero guilds will be running into a wall week after week if you time gated mythic
median tulip
It does, because it stops the them-and-us Elitists vs everyone else attitudes.
waxen frigate
It does, because it stops the them-and-us Elitists vs everyone else attitudes.
Do you think that currently is a problem between the top 100ish guilds and the rest of the player base?
prisma crane
those "elitists" you're referring to will ALWAYS exist, and arent even the people who would actually be affected but that time gating
median tulip
Well, I have played a LOT of MMOs in my time, and I can confidently state that it's a better atmosphere for the overall playerbase
waxen frigate
What’s another MMO that did gating like you’re suggesting and when
I’m not aware of any personally
median tulip
Come back to me once you've played 25 years of different MMOs, is all I can say
grizzled nova
Well, I have played a LOT of MMOs in my time, and I can confidently state that i...
playing a lot of mmos isn't an argument
waxen frigate
Come back to me once you've played 25 years of different MMOs, is all I can say
Ok 25 years ago the world was a different place lol
prisma crane
i can confidently state that you don't realize the demographics of the players who actually reach several new mythic boss kills PER WK
median tulip
What’s another MMO that did gating like you’re suggesting and when
FFXI did it, DAOC did it, AC and AC2 did it, AO did it
waxen frigate
FFXI did it, DAOC did it, AC and AC2 did it, AO did it
So nothing in the last 15 years? I’m not sure what AC is
median tulip
And I was a sky and sea player in XI
waxen frigate
What does that mean
grizzled nova
again, not an argument
median tulip
What does that mean
Endgame areas with boss fights
prisma crane
yea, i mean, that's like saying something that works in Australia will certainly work in Chile and also work in iceland
waxen frigate
yea, i mean, that's like saying something that works in Australia will certainly...
It’s like saying something that worked generations ago would work now
prisma crane
sure some things work, like smiling or w/e
waxen frigate
Just put on a suit and walk into McDonald’s they’ll hire you
Because it has literally been generations of internet/gaming
warm plinth
Hi
prisma crane
also, and trust me i actually think of it as a semi negative reality, players just arent the same, games are figured out in beta, metas are discovered day 1
grizzled nova
"Time gating boss releases would improve the game because I played other games that time gated them and preferred the community there" is pure nonsequitor.
waxen frigate
(Hi)
prisma crane
just look at classic wow
the exact same game is played VASTLY differently than it used to be
and if you re-released AC today, same thing would happen
and the reality, in modern retail mythic raiding, less than 1% of the population even has the time or capacity to reach time gated walls in bosses
unless you're talking several weeks between wing releases, which will all but kill raiding at the high end
median tulip
"Time gating boss releases would improve the game because I played other games t...
Game systems have an effect on how the playerbase acts and that influences the community of the game. This is not a difficult concept.
prisma crane
yes, but you still fail to realize that the game system you're a proponent of affects almost no one, so it wouldnt even come across most players' radars
warm plinth
Speak when spoken to, rat
2 io has changed you
grizzled nova
Game systems have an effect on how the playerbase acts and that influences the c...
Cool, now make something that amounts to an actually reasoned argument to support the claim.
waxen frigate
2 io has changed you
Ya I have an ego now
I’m that guy
I’m him. I’ve been him. I will continue to be him.
warm plinth
Elitist jerks didn't exist in vanilla right
thorn spruce
Nish im going to steal 3 io from you
warm plinth
Right?
thorn spruce
:beargun:
waxen frigate
Nish im going to steal 3 io from you
😦
median tulip
Cool, now make something that amounts to an actually reasoned argument to suppor...
I have a feeling that you are going to dismiss anything I say, bevcause this isn't about raw numbers, it's about community and community management, which is something Blizz does very badly, whether you realize it or not
prisma crane
Right?
yo btw, i need you to teach me the ways of making my G600 work without GHub but side buttons still use num pad
warm plinth
Why without ghub?
grizzled nova
I have a feeling that you are going to dismiss anything I say, bevcause this isn...
"Trust me bro."
No.
thorn spruce
Time gating mythic wings sounds like a terrible experience all around
"Why are we spending 3 hours on this, its just the first wing, its been out for 3 months"
median tulip
Frankly though, the idea of wow actually being a hardcore game is laughable in the extreme
prisma crane
I have a feeling that you are going to dismiss anything I say, bevcause this isn...
i dont disagree that they could improve in community management, they're all but absent there, but my point is that time gating mythic wouldnt achieve anything in that regard just simply by how miniscule of a playerbase it would even begin to affect
prisma crane
Why without ghub?
because it's such shit software and i get blocked left clicks all the time when i have it active
prisma crane
Frankly though, the idea of wow actually being a hardcore game is laughable in t...
what does "hard core" mean to you, genuine question
warm plinth
Hmm I have never gotten that before. Weird.
median tulip
what does "hard core" mean to you, genuine question
I played Eve Online, next question
warm plinth
But you can set it up in ghub, then save it to the on-board chip and close ghub
modern gazelle
Tips for last wing of throne of tides? the corruption+aquamage area is insane
prisma crane
I played Eve Online, next question
that doesnt answer my question, i asked what hard core means to you, not to provide a useless resume
warm plinth
There's a slider for the onboard save thing
prisma crane
and im not being snarky, im genuinely asking so i can attempt to respond
so stop being butthurt before i even say anything
grizzled nova
I played Eve Online, next question
Me too, spent a decade at -10 in 0.0, was in TM. then Reikoku then PL then HYDRA.
prisma crane
There's a slider for the onboard save thing
every time i do that it seems to just revert to default, ill have to try it again, ty
grizzled nova
What was your eve experience?
Were you "hardcore" or are you just leaning on the reputation of eve?
warm plinth
My eve experience was my brother trying to convince me to play it and then casually mentioning a blueprint that takes 42 years to research
I noped out immediately
median tulip
What was your eve experience?
Errr... 14 accounts, Multiple Supers, Imperium Fleet Command and on one occasion I bankrupted an opposing CEO without realising it
grizzled nova
Because most people who say "I'm hardcore because I played eve" were highsec carebears that never risked a ship in their life.
prisma crane
if hardcore means "wait a long time to get stuff" then i sure as shit dont want wow to be hardcore
median tulip
Eww, HighSec... no, I played Null, mostly. I had a brief career in J Space as well though
silent vessel
i was in skill urself and i loved every second of it
median tulip
Skill Urself were good enemies
prisma crane
i'm all for self imposed modes like iron man and w/e but that being baked into a game is an antiquated idea and will kill most modern games unless it's marketed as a niche product
median tulip
The only fun thing to do in HighSec was Burn Jita
thorn spruce
i'm all for self imposed modes like iron man and w/e but that being baked into a...
tbh group ironman guilds would be sick
20 man ironman guilds, good luck have fun in mythic
prisma crane
it just wouldnt happen
gear checks alone would end that
wow has too much unavoidable damage
and enrage timers
i like the concept, but would require heavy effort on blizz part to make it a separate mode
thorn spruce
Ironman mode wouldnt really cause problems with that?
prisma crane
similar to how CMs work
thorn spruce
To be clear, this is taken from osrs, where you're not allowed to trade with characters outside of your ironman group
prisma crane
well in WoW ironman it's white gear only
thorn spruce
So you'd have to do professions, dungeons, raid, all of it has to be with the guild
Yeah, i knew there was an older wow term for it, hence my clarifying :catnod:
prisma crane
if everything has to remain in guild then that's already what almost all top guilds do anyways
warm plinth
Nerd paladin trying to use global emojis smh
thorn spruce
Im aware i cant use them
prisma crane
i do wish we had emotes here 
median tulip
A slightly less Hardcore idea would be a Mythic Raid Hard Mode that locks the raids to the EXACT 20 people who are inside at the time. So no bench, no swapping out. That 20 or nothing.
thorn spruce
But in protest, Im writing them out anyways
prisma crane
at least i have
waxen frigate
To be clear, this is taken from osrs, where you're not allowed to trade with cha...
They’re adding that to classic hc
prisma crane
A slightly less Hardcore idea would be a Mythic Raid Hard Mode that locks the ra...
again, that's what most guilds do anyways
outside of the top top ones
waxen frigate
again, that's what most guilds do anyways
Actually I would disagree here
thorn spruce
That would just be "mythic raiding, but you cant have any scheduling issues"
prisma crane
the average mythic guild doesnt just have a huge bench
median tulip
again, that's what most guilds do anyways
I mean with Hard Mode extra mechanics etc too
thorn spruce
Which is just.. why?
prisma crane
extra mechanics to mythic bosses? have you ever raided mythic bosses?
prisma crane
arguably too many mechanics in modern wow is the most common complaint, even among top players
and fated raids did somewhat add addtional stuff, but werent tuned real tight
sick sentinel
i assume there is some way to get a teleport for engineering toy portal to emerald dream right
thorn spruce
Eh its not the "too many mechanics" by itself
Its overlapping mechanics
grizzled nova
Retail wow's problem and the reason so many people prefer classic is that retail is literally too hard
median tulip
NGL, I'm interested to see what they do with Fated raids in Season 4 this time
prisma crane
to be clear, im all for additional ways to play the game, that's only a good thing, i just know that some of these ideas affect almost no one so it'll never happen
sick sentinel
emerald dream seems to be a pain in the ass to get to and from if thres not a portal in the city
grizzled nova
The percentage of the population of wow that is capable of mythic raiding and high m+ keys is vanishingly small.
prisma crane
Retail wow's problem and the reason so many people prefer classic is that retail...
and hard in an unfun way, as opposed to a fun way, like most souls games (which also isnt for anyone either)
doing a M+ key and having a group that cant miss a single kick is just stressful and annoying
waxen frigate
emerald dream seems to be a pain in the ass to get to and from if thres not a po...
There is
In the pond area above the great vault
prisma crane
i think it was on that recent talk with Max, Asmon, Dorki and Dratnos, where they mentioned pruning back game mechanics but bringing back class complexity as the main means of skill expression and i would MUCH prefer that over what we have now
closer to MoP than now
grizzled nova
Classic has a better power fantasy, you get good gear from content that isn't particularly hard even without good gear and then you shit on everythung effortlessly.
grizzled nova
People enjoy this feeling, and it is largely absent in retail, even in full bis mythic raiding is always hard and requires practice and concentration, and m+ alwayd has a higher key level that will shit on you.
prisma crane
i dont mind that M+ is "infinitely" scaleable
but i do agree that mythic should eventually feel like faceroll if you've got everything you need from it, but with how we gear nowadays, you can get that top gear without ever walking in the raid
well, without seeing the end of it at least
they're just super different philosophies
and i do agree that thats why people are enjoying classic so much
the mental load isnt as high
toxic pewter
are the dungeon portals
prisma crane
which after a while is extremely taxing
median tulip
but i do agree that mythic should eventually feel like faceroll if you've got ev...
The most difficult thing about Mythic raiding isn't the boss fights, it's the "having 20 people on a regular basis"
prisma crane
idk if anyone plays fortnite, but look at the difference between playing with builds and playing without, playing without is chill AF by comparison
grizzled nova
i dont mind that M+ is "infinitely" scaleable
I don't either - the difference is that there very light-RPG progression to retail, competition is purely an effort of skill, which is mentally draining for a lot of players, people just want to get good gear and shit on the 'hardest' stuff because they have good gear
and you cant do that in retail
prisma crane
The most difficult thing about Mythic raiding isn't the boss fights, it's the "h...
for the average player yea, but even if they have 20 regularly it isnt exactly "easy" content
blazing condor
do they got a Morchie WA yet? like the one in MoTS
prisma crane
I don't either - the difference is that there very light-RPG progression to reta...
agreed
jagged pier
Or just use eyes?
prisma crane
not an option
im waiting for AI to play for me
but tbf, the morchie one just isnt that hard to see
steady stag
might be a dumb question but is this bad for prot war because no secondary stats / dmg equip? it is a 17 ilvl increase however
prisma crane
often those items are BiS ST
jagged pier
Its not tho the one from raid is
waxen frigate
might be a dumb question but is this bad for prot war because no secondary stats...
Worth keeping if you got it and using if it’s 17ilvl
median tulip
17 ilvl increase it's probably worth using
waxen frigate
Weapon iLvl > all
And then once things are equal iLvl you tend to sim the difference
prisma crane
yea i just said often, im not familiar with current loot pools atm
is the one from raid also a statless proc?
blazing condor
Or just use eyes?
ur mom
but yeah i just did her now for the third time shit was actually easier than i remember
median tulip
is the one from raid also a statless proc?
This one?
waxen frigate
2h prot with legendary pog
grizzled nova
agreed
another oft said thing I disagree with is that "there's more community in classic" - not really, there's just an incredibly low barrier to entry for content so it feels that way, and in retail an incredibly hard barrier to entry where many people feel they 'deserve' to do harder content but simultaneously won't put the effort into breaking into those communities.
prisma crane
but not before hunters get their 6th bow
plush sorrel
its time for another cloak, isn´t it?
prisma crane
another oft said thing I disagree with is that "there's more community in classi...
does current classic have group finder? or just LFG channel?
prisma crane
because generally i disagree, classic does have better community because you're forced to play with players on the same server and put together groups manually, there's less anonymity which inherently promotes better community
prisma crane
Krotos is back
ahoy!
grizzled nova
because generally i disagree, classic does have better community because you're ...
for dungeons? I mean I guess, but I don't see it as functionally different than establishing a roster of friends you pull from for keys
prisma crane
are we not allowed to swear here anymore?
prisma crane
ffs
if you're a "blank"head on your server in classic, people are MUCH more likely to know that as compared to retail where you can be an "blank"hole all the time with almost no repercussions
lusty grotto
which is why PBl is goated
prisma crane
gosh darn prudes ruining everything
lusty grotto
yeah you cant even say ahole
or the r word for dumb dumbs
(not special people, those are cool)
prisma crane
i wont get into that, had a whole argument about that word last time i was here
prisma crane
but i will say this, censorship never leads to good ends
warm plinth
Must be words you can insult people with
lusty grotto
well thats on discord's end
prisma crane
and depending on the person, you can insult with the most inoccuous stuff, so i really hope that's not the bar being set
lusty grotto
im okay with banning the n-word
but everything else
is weird
maybe the f-word too the one concerning cigarettes
those 2 can go
prisma crane
tbh, i'm not, why not make it easy to tell who's ignorant
lusty grotto
the rest are fine, idk why discord is so intent on it
well thats very true
and i kind of agree with it
prisma crane
all you do is make people internalize it, which imo is worse if you actually want to solve the problem
but anyways
back to legendary shields
lusty grotto
im just laughing knowing that RBG discords are gonna take it up the ass with these changes though
prisma crane
BLIZZ PLEASE
lusty grotto
cause them be racist af
lusty grotto
i swear there is no RBG discord that isnt blatantly racist
warm plinth
But what is blocked or not is determined by the admin
You can also turn off automod entirely
warm plinth
Yeah it is. We have it turned off in MPF
lusty grotto
well
warm plinth
It turns itself on at some point but you can turn it off.
prisma crane
it's a server setting, and for that i'm ok with
lusty grotto
i cant really be against it, mods here are not on a payroll, if it makes it easier for them then im all for it
prisma crane
people should have agency, i just personally wouldnt automod, but i also dont run a 50k+ person server
waxen frigate
i cant really be against it, mods here are not on a payroll, if it makes it easi...
Yes they are I give them each 3 cents
prisma crane
and its unfortunately easier to automod than to deal with 700 ppl complaining about one person saying something offensive, especially when that person KNOWS people will complain
waxen frigate
Skyhold is my stage, the mods my marionettes
warm plinth
I'm 0 rated 
modern gazelle
bro these dungeons are so cramped
median tulip
5 hours until patch
modern gazelle
camera angles are the worst
prisma crane
i wouldnt hate if wow could have cut walls similar to diablo
make it a toggle if players must have the full environment
brave stirrup
just came back today, havent done any of the stuff to upgrade gear, sitting at 425 ilvl....would a +2 rock me being this low ilvl considering it drops 441 loot?
median tulip
just came back today, havent done any of the stuff to upgrade gear, sitting at 4...
You could probably do it, but you can get 400+ gear just from World Quests and World Drops in the new zone, so most people will be expecting higher
jagged pier
U can get too 435 in like 2 hours in the zone
sick sentinel
median tulip
just came back today, havent done any of the stuff to upgrade gear, sitting at 4...
Also the Dreamsurge gear will go up to 450
toxic pewter
damn darkheart thicket suks ass
smoky pollen
Alright lads and chads. What are the easy dungeons and what one am I going to get hard stuck on a +8
blazing condor
AD probably still easy
smoky pollen
I’ve heard throne is easy and it seems a lot of people say dark heart is brutal
lusty grotto
DHT isnt hard
blazing condor
what do mages know about anything tbh
all they know is press they buttons, make cookies and die
jagged gust
are there new portals for the dungeons?
lusty grotto
yes
jagged gust
All I can find is Doti
jagged gust
lmao yeah thats my bad
sick sentinel
there is a new talk option on the wyrm hole for engineering to go directly to dream whatever place
its good for me or anyone really if say, my hearthstone (which is in valdraken now or newest major city) is on cd and i wanted to get to that place to do the dailies or some farm
warm plinth
theres a golden portal
where is it, tell me your secret
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
thats beside the bank
valdraken
stairs
to the right at the bottom
as your looking up stairs this is
lusty grotto
you could just say, its right where the portals for other seasons used to be
sick sentinel
to left of bank right of stairs
lusty grotto
or keep doing that i guess
sick sentinel
yeah well, if you didnt know, thats a non descript image
could be just about anywhere if you werent logging on every day
lusty grotto
stewart thanks you yogi
sick sentinel
dont recogniz it
silver narwhal
What's the max uptime of Shield Block and Ignore pain?
lusty grotto
100%
sick sentinel
technically 100% for both
you will in reality reach like 99% blocked hits, and you dont need ip up nearly as much as 100% of the time
sick sentinel
24 seconds? that might be season 2 crap im spoutin tho
sick sentinel
cuz, without bolster talents its whatever the sb tooltip is x 2 i think, right?
someones smarter than me
strong forum
shieldblock duration cap is 3x SB duration, bolster ignores that and allows +15sec ontop of that
IP duration is 12seconds, absorb cap is 30% max hp
glacial ridge
@strong forum thanks for the info. Your builds in the pinned comments still good after 10.2 release?
strong forum
ofc
sick sentinel
having your blocked hits at 99 (90-95% realistically) is vital to your success though, and so you need to have SB in melee combat up,that and its 30% shield slam dmg
silver narwhal
So 18 seconds without bolster and 33 with? Or 21 with?
strong forum
talents only change once you no longer play t30 2pc
sick sentinel
which shield slam is our main dmg dealing button anyways
strong forum
So 18 seconds without bolster and 33 with? Or 21 with?
24 seconds with Enduring Defenses, 39 seconds with Bolster+LS active
18sec without Enduring Defenses, 33 with Bolster+LS Active
vocal flame
So we are keeping current tier even if we have higher item level gear to replace it?
glacial ridge
I assume until we have 2x T31
cinder nova
I assume it's not worth dumping catalyst on anything but H/M loot
If you're progging CE
pallid quiver
When you get new tier, 4p T31 is better in M+
vocal flame
Mmm interesting
pallid quiver
2p2p in raid versus 4p is likely a sim question
There's not much that will directly threaten you in raid outside of messed up mechanics below Mythic, so you mostly focus on damage entirely for raid
And most mythic tank survival issues are solved eith playing better/externald
vocal flame
So what would the ilevel gap be then to get rid of the season 2 tier? Like 15+?
vocal flame
Damn that’s a lot haha
strong forum
the upgrade path youll take in s3 is
T30 4pc -> t31 2pc t30 2pc -> t31 4pc
vocal flame
Ok copy on the sim
pallid quiver
It buffs SS dam a lot
strong forum
you dont play anything inbetween when it comes to tierset unless sim says so
torn gulch
both throne and everbloom are monkaS for now but lower doti looks pretty bad as well
omega magic damage
pallid quiver
Lower shouldn't be bad magic damage wise; what's dropping people?
pallid quiver
If the volleys don't get kicked and people don't handle leeches
sick sentinel
how about thosde ground pound bastards before the 3rd boss throne
sick sentinel
those dudes deleted some pugs yet ore made a wipe?
back in those olden days, i played that dungeon as a rogue
thats main thing i remember, one of them, im gunna hate that place
blazing condor
Upper doti is gonna be ass
pallid quiver
Oh yeah, upper gonna be bad time zone
jagged gust
So Ozumat fucking slaps
dull relic
dogshit boss
hybrid sandal
what embellishments y'all using?
lusty grotto
what embellishments y'all using?
lusty grotto
do we already have a reflect wa?
we dont manage that, check wago
dense sonnet
any reason someone would take heavy Repercussions over into the fray?
strong forum
Not enough haste
lusty grotto
low haste maybe?
graceful leaf
We should break 2 set immediately correct? go 2/2?
opaque quest
So how bad is the raid?
opaque quest
We should break 2 set immediately correct? go 2/2?
sim it
strong forum
Raid looks very easy
toxic pewter
im at fyrakk on normal right now
strong forum
Df raid philosophy looks to be simple/easy raids
Cuz both voti and aberrus barely had any mechanics
And this raid looks to be the same
bleak breach
opaque quest
Ill hop in as soon as @flat stratus is on so i can get it over with
opaque quest
Cuz both voti and aberrus barely had any mechanics
Diurna Rasz in pugs 
opaque quest
Way to hard for randos
strong forum
Meet heal check, get 2 people to do eggs
opaque quest
Also to hard for pugs
kek
Overestimating 99% of the community
ppl couldnt even CC/Interrupt a spark
flat stratus
@strong forum yea like razs dodge breathe and be in the right group on phase 1.5 and be and the right group for negative and positive
opaque quest
Oh youre awake
flat stratus
looks easy innit
opaque quest
We gonna hop in at 6?
opaque quest
ye
opaque quest
Ye but we are in EU so we cant start before 5 am
Oh
You too
wowprogress says top guilds are 6/9H so its defo harder than Aberrus so far
strong forum
NA servers went up like 7hrs ago
opaque quest
yea
flat stratus
aberrus was a joke
opaque quest
Magmorrax hardest training dummy in 20 years
fast knot
At least there doesn't seem to be an Experiments/Zskarn that just absolutely shred healthbars
opaque quest
Ye dude was gear/IQ check
fast knot
The tank killer too, fucker was annoying especially with a turtle offtank
opaque quest
I did Zskarn on my 420 monk few weeks ago. If offtank doesnt taunt he still shreds lol
fast knot
having to stop hitting buttons because I'd pull off and instantly restack was fun
opaque quest
Btw @strong forum up to 10 steel from helltide chests now
soft plume
whats stat prio this tier
opaque quest
5 from steel chest 1 from all others and up to 5 bonus steel on procc
opaque quest
whats stat prio this tier
The same as always. Sim yourself
soft plume
do i run old talents if i dont have the new tier yet
opaque quest
yes
lusty grotto
depends if you have s2 tier or not
toxic pewter
some hunter won signet brand and he trying to peddle it for a different item wanting to trade it for something better
im like wtf
lusty grotto
if you have s2 you play bolster, if you dont have s2 tier, you dont play bolster and new talents could work fine
opaque quest
some hunter won signet brand and he trying to peddle it for a different item wan...
I had to buy bomb spender from a BM this patch cause he only rolled to sell it
toxic pewter
yeah hunters are evil
opaque quest
Well its the ret ard class what do we expect
warm plinth
did you seriously need to say that so much that you typed it to get around the filter 🤦♂️
opaque quest
Rhetoric question day
dusky canopy
ahh kk thought so that one looked good
toxic pewter
why bm hunters doin so much damage O_O even in this normal raid they #1
opaque quest
BM has been good since the rasz bow nerf BM buff hotfix
cinder nova
@strong forum wrist/cloak are our crafted since they're lower ilvl?
fast knot
Sounds like someone just volunteered to tank keys
SMF his way to the fuckin bench honestly
north hornet
how is prot tank in s3 ?
pallid quiver
how is prot tank in s3 ?
Terrible, can't even tank +2s
lusty tiger
i can explain
toxic pewter
omg that dps warr that won the 1h axe traded it to me
he not ahole lmao it is i that is the ahole
lusty tiger
he not ahole lmao it is i that is the ahole
ahole
toxic pewter
it always me
lusty tiger
whats wrong w gettin a weapon?
toxic pewter
he was dps warrior and he needed the 1h weapon from fyrakk and won it and i was salty lol
but he actually whispered me and said he got me and traded to me
toxic pewter
so got a 1h and shield from normal raid lol
waxen frigate
i can explain
dusky canopy
pallid quiver
So how are Heroic pugs looking day 1? I didn't have the time to try before work, so I settled on normal and got to Tindral before I had to leave, and it all was breezey peasy. Same for heroic or are peeps getting farmed?
toxic pewter
lol just got cheat death trinket
forgot to switch to dps spec for dps trinket
rip
opaque quest
I wanna be able to complain about to much loot too ngl
urban portal
yeah your block essentially gets nerfed by a couple % when the new tier comes
now
if you go the crit vers build
its all good
hollow hill
Sorry if this has been posted but I'm in the middle of raid and just got my 2 piece. Is there a WA for tracking the buff from it?
toxic pewter
actually good points thx
toxic pewter
if you go the crit vers build
wait what crit vers build
urban portal
its a joke
due to how the math works
your shield is essentially weaker by some % at the start of the season
toxic pewter
oh lol
urban portal
but you still keep the same parry percent
toxic pewter
gotcha
urban portal
and since mobs hit harder
parry is just much stronger than any other form of mitigation
lusty grotto
Sorry if this has been posted but I'm in the middle of raid and just got my 2 pi...
nome has one, just search nomeratur in wago
hollow hill
Thanks!
pallid quiver
Sorry if this has been posted but I'm in the middle of raid and just got my 2 pi...
give me your legs
Does normal give an omni token for clear, by the way? Completely forgot
opaque quest
Does normal give an omni token for clear, by the way? Completely forgot
nop
Heroic
Unless you get lucky and drop a curio
warm plinth
Why would you need to tab target?
opaque quest
tab spam it is
cinder nova
Probably not as worth in dense packs tbh
But if you got a big TW
I can't see a reason not to trigger it faster
opaque quest
Im gonna put the debuff on big targets and call it good
cinder nova
the debuff is cool, but damage is why you'd do it tbh
Unless there's some absolute assbeaters
worthy briar
got the axe off Fyrakk
cinder nova
got the axe off Fyrakk
ditto
opaque quest
Isnt it a bleed? Damn
cinder nova
No.
opaque quest
I really need to read up on the bonus
warm plinth
I'm still unsure how that would make you want to tab target
opaque quest
Just googled. No point in tabbing for the 10% DR unless you wanna consume bleeds on more targets to get more CDR
But i guess you have 2 bleeds on a target right after a SS anyways
pallid quiver
There's no need to spread the bleed consumptions even if you only have 2p and can't assure TC is always up after, since devastator will knock them up with deep wounds as fast as possible
And if you only have 2p, it's 10% no matter how many bleeds you consume
So might as well continue sending into the prio target that's almost in every pack
cinder nova
I'm still unsure how that would make you want to tab target
Consuming ThR faster is more dps
DW/Rend is... probably not tbh
I'd really only bother tabbing for ThR
pallid quiver
If you're in an aoe situation where you are able to get off a whole ass other troar before they would've been fully consumed naturally anyway i just
The fuck even happened
I know t roar's cd is gonna be short, since every fervid proc reduces it by that fixed amount (it is not scaled with number of bleeds consumed),
But it ant like 12 seconds or whatever troar's duration is short
lusty grotto
i dont think it matters
lusty tiger
got the axe off Fyrakk
Screenshot?
lusty grotto
what hes saying is that hes consuming 3 bleeds of a target
and he tabs out to the next one that has all 3
but he needs procs within the TR duration to have it happen
its sound logic
however you really need to get procs within the 8 seconds
pallid quiver
what hes saying is that hes consuming 3 bleeds of a target
Yes, but
It's not doing anymore damage
cinder nova
DW/Rend are only 40% of their damage. ThR is 100% of it, so stripping it off any targets as fast as you can will do more DPS, yes.
lusty grotto
and im sure you will have the procs..
cinder nova
because you're doing more ThR damage in a shorter window
pallid quiver
because you're doing more ThR damage in a shorter window
It's the same damage tho
cinder nova
...
cinder nova
Can someone explain to him how Damage per SECOND works?
pallid quiver
Can someone explain to him how Damage per **SECOND** works?
If I doo 5000 damage in 1 second, then do nothing for 4 seconds
And do 1000 damage for 5 seconds
Which is more damage?
lusty grotto
hmm
opaque quest
One has a bigger number so thats obviously more dmg duh
pallid quiver
if you tab to 3 bleeds vs 2
The bleeds don't stop doing damage because we have tier
pallid quiver
The reason it increases rend/deep wounds damage effectively is because we reapply them faster than their duration expires
lusty grotto
or does it?
pallid quiver
so it also depends on how long the target lasts
Sorta; if they'd die before troar ever finishes ticking, it'd increase
pallid quiver
If they'd die before it finishes ticking, you won't het the full remaining damage
opaque quest
Its the same for Troar. We cant reapply it right after we consume it anyways
pallid quiver
That's why it'd increase your own DPS
It effectively finishes the bleed duration faster so you can reapply faster
Egfectively "stacking" bleeds
So if you can't stack a given bleed
It's not any more or less damage
You can technically lose damage on rend/deep wounds if they don't get reapplied in time, even
The reason it's good is because those will nigh instantly be reapplied
lusty grotto
if the bleeds have 1 tick left and you consume them
do you only deal that last tick as damage?
because the wording makes it seem like thats exactly what would happen
pallid quiver
40% of that tick for rend/deep wounds unless funny things happen
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
skullsplitter
lusty grotto
its funny cause arms doesnt even play it
cinder nova
Not in PVP?
lusty grotto
in pve
lusty grotto
oh for sure
cinder nova
ngl having to deprogram a little with 2p
warm plinth
You're not doing more damage with TR though?
cinder nova
gotta remember to TC
warm plinth
So idk why I would tab
opaque quest
its funny cause arms doesnt even play it
Isnt there a skullsplitter M+ build? I used it last season
lusty grotto
so the only reason why you would tab
is if your pack is gonna die quick
it is incredibly min-maxy
toxic pewter
got the axe off Fyrakk
which axe
lusty grotto
Isnt there a skullsplitter M+ build? I used it last season
ive only checked the raid ones
since i dont really play arms in keys
lusty grotto
of course
warm plinth
ily
lusty grotto
NO U
worthy briar
@toxic pewter gholak 1hd tank axe
lusty grotto
its highly unlikely leggo will drop before RWF is finished though
pretty sure it only dropped after liquid finished sark
for evokers
and iirc it dropped for an LFR guy or something after the race finished
but i could be wrong
but who knows
hazy bronze
Blizzard hopefully
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
I’m saving all my good rolls for heroic clearly
toxic pewter
Dont act like that nothing <:keks:936231610850897992>
I didn’t win the roll for the weapon someone gave it to me. Shield yeah that’s true
toxic pewter
But you should of seen all the good stuff dropped and I got like none of it
No blizzard has alotted me one item so far
So I should have more luck soon
warm plinth
this guy
opaque quest
no
toxic pewter
Yea
opaque quest
south zealot
yes or no
opaque quest
Just get healed
toxic pewter
Rotate defensives
warm plinth
I haven't done it yet this week, sorry
opaque quest
Depends on the heal alot this season
You will be fine. Just make sure to keep ipending victory ready
normal rampart
do I have too much haste? this is with max into the fray
I have some pieces I could swap out that would give me more crit or mastery
south zealot
it was fine
chilly brook
wowprogress says top guilds are 6/9H so its defo harder than Aberrus so far
actual top guilds are doing normal splits tho
hasty zephyr
thoughts on M+ weapons. what am i going for? just got the axe from waycrest. seems like a dece off weapon
ebon geyser
the ilvl bump it was a littkle steep
pallid quiver
ARE WE FINE AGAINST DEIOS
No tank handles him well, but I believe you can still leap every other breath with bounding stride
The adds are very scary in P1, as a heads up
Doable even without leaping, but you have to be good on CD rotation
Spell block works on the add casts
and initial hit hit of breath, but not dot of breath
ebon geyser
whoever said lets make doti a m+ should be fired and send to an island in the middl eof the ocean
sand pebble
Why
ebon geyser
because is a shit dungeon
last boss is shit
90% of this andys dont know what to do on last boss
or how to drop the thing in sand boss
sand pebble
They will learn
sand pebble
Nah most did doti at first in m0 then stopped, heroic you can ignore all mechanics
south zealot
lol
sand pebble
M+ will force them to learn
ebon geyser
i left after i had to solo tank that boss in mythic on my druid ...in literaly evry run
pallid quiver
Yeah, most people just didn't actually try to learn or keep the knowledge learned for doti
opaque quest
actual top guilds are doing normal splits tho
Yeah true
opaque quest
Nah most did doti at first in m0 then stopped, heroic you can ignore all mechani...
I did flawless but im sure +20 Doti is gonna be on another level
sand pebble
30 doti
cinder nova
What are the most economic slots to swap crafted to?
opaque quest
What are the most economic slots to swap crafted to?
Bracers/Cloak for Embellishments
cinder nova
I was under the impression they were going to be lower than the new ilvl cap, but the shadowflame embel is still pogs
Lowest budget?
sand pebble
What are the most economic slots to swap crafted to?
Bracer cloak lowest stat budget
3 ilvl lower
cinder nova
How hard am I fucking myself if I just keep my UFB and up it
opaque quest
It doesnt matter unless youre doing MM progress
cinder nova
MM?
opaque quest
Mythic Mode
cinder nova
I've never seen someone call it MM.
But like what's the quantifiable difference in DPS
opaque quest
Shorter than mythic
cinder nova
Because S2 it was like 200 DPS
Which is basically nothing
I cba to drop 20K on that little of a gain as a tank
opaque quest
I wont bother either
It all depends on your goals
If youre a 3k IO AOTC andy like me just play w/e
wide dragon
do we have a crafted gear list yet?
jagged pier
no because that dependant on your character and what your going to progress
wide dragon
another question, is unstable frostfire belt still viable?
opaque quest
Again depends on what you wanna do
opaque quest
Yeah easily viable
wide dragon
not rushing it
opaque quest
20s are still free. You can run w/e in there
pallid quiver
It's more for when you get T31, and it's because 4p resets Thunder Clap's CD
toxic tiger
riiight ok
opaque quest
Dont swap to the new talents before you lose old 2p
pallid quiver
So you're getting a lot more TCs out, flushing the CD of Demo Shout a lot more
It'll have (with proper play) enough uptime to catch all your CDs, pretty much
round pendant
Bro it's awful
I was making jokes yesterday about how the story is some disney-tier shit
and the ending cutscene is literally like some childrens cartoon show where each character talks incredibly slowly and finishes eachothers sentences
And teaches some moral values to the audience
opaque quest
The whole DF story was daddy issues
And the other half of DF was: No i cant do that. Everybody else saying: Oh you can do it we believe in you then the guy says youre right and does the thing
chilly brook
And it’s definitely, as meh as it is, a good Segway into the next narrative arc they want to tell
round pendant
Ehh I’ll live with a mid story
I guess it's mid compared to BFA/SL but holy fuck it's objectively AWFUL
It's a segue in that it has literally zero impact
round pendant
Which is fine ig since I don't actually care about the story
chilly brook
SL was awful lol
round pendant
but it's just funny
chilly brook
Like it’s legit just mid
It’s passable. It makes enough sense but has some holes but nothing offensive
round pendant
Yeah I'm saying SL is trash and DF is better than it, but it's still pretty bad compared to basically any other story from any other game I can think of rn
chilly brook
It’s 5/10
opaque quest
Ye and most of the games story has been ass
chilly brook
Wrath is probably the most fondly remembered narratively and isn’t AvH….
round pendant
I don't know if I'd say it's 5/10
I liked the expansion but the story is just.. bad
like a 3 in terms of story
opaque quest
Wrath is a copy of WC3 and not World of Warcraft
opaque quest
Just saying best Story was stuff like MoP alliance vs horde
chilly brook
Cata oh boy gotta stop this world ending event
round pendant
Nah the best story was when characters and plots had actual depth
opaque quest
Also Wrath had lots of Garrosh and Varian hating each other :>
round pendant
idc about the concepts I just want shit that isn't lame af
chilly brook
Legion oh hey gotta stop this world ending invasion
opaque quest
^
opaque quest
A story can have 2 parts Griff
You know that right?
Good writing has a plot and a subplot
round pendant
Every "AvH expansion" basically boils down to "avh until big bad has to be dealt with"
chilly brook
Except for the whole later half of bfa that destroyed Sylvanas
round pendant
and the avh stuff is mostly inconsequential
chilly brook
opaque quest
and the avh stuff is mostly inconsequential
Thats why most .3 patch stories were meh
I liked Sylv in WC3 and the books
But BFA making her Jailers hoe was terribad
round pendant
I feel like the entire character of Warcraft has been assassinated in the last 5 expansions
chilly brook
Faction war is literally the worst narrative in the game
opaque quest
I feel like the entire character of Warcraft has been assassinated in the last 5...
Almost like we got a new writer (Danuser) 5 expacs ago
chilly brook
There’s no reason for any of it to exist past Wrath with everything we’ve had to fight
opaque quest
idk faction war for .1 and .2 patches make the big bad story not as drawn out
round pendant
next expansion will be good right
cerulean crescent
I am prepared to ask yet another stupid question
chilly brook
idk faction war for .1 and .2 patches make the big bad story not as drawn out
Disagree whole heartedly
opaque quest
I dont wanna fight Elementalists for 2 years straight and nothing else
cerulean crescent
Two stupid questions
round pendant
faction war just gets old, they should probably just make the player character more of a chad and go the FFXIV route lmao
round pendant
Yeah but you don't actually feel that way in the story, your character barely feels like it exists
chilly brook
One of the biggest problems with the faction war being the focus and then out of nowhere in the last patch you fight some random big bad is there’s no actual development or buildup to said big bad
cerulean crescent
- How does gearing work I reached max level and have a bunch of goober items that are definitely not enough for running even non keyed M+ do I just run around and do field quests until I get them
- How does one even get tier sets
chilly brook
Bfa for example
chilly brook
We take one of the biggest villains and the black empire and throw it out in one patch
Like what the fuck
opaque quest
One of the good parts of DF is .2 and .7 patches
round pendant
1. How does gearing work I reached max level and have a bunch of goober items th...
Do Mythic dungeons, LFR/Normal raids, low M+ keys don't really require any gear beyond what normal mythic dungeons do. Tier sets are from raid or catalyst
opaque quest
Making nyalotha a god damn raid and nothing more was pain
cerulean crescent
Do Mythic dungeons, LFR/Normal raids, low M+ keys don't really require any gear ...
Is raw M+ that easy, to the point where there is no realistic ilvl requirement?
round pendant
M+ 2? yes
chilly brook
Making nyalotha a god damn raid and nothing more was pain
And this is the problem of faction war 2/3rds of the xpac and then suddenly big bad
jagged pier
Black empire deserved more
we about to get 3 black empire expansions
chilly brook
we about to get 3 black empire expansions
No we aren’t
opaque quest
And this is the problem of faction war 2/3rds of the xpac and then suddenly big ...
We got .2 and .7 patches now for transitions
cerulean crescent
Like will a freshly made 70 with no prior account before 10.1.7 be able to smash through with items the NPCs give us?
round pendant
I don't think level 2 keys even has any tougher mobs than raw Mythic?
jagged pier
yer new one under knife women
chilly brook
Not the same
opaque quest
More Xal atah pls
chilly brook
Very different
opaque quest
For no particular reason
round pendant
Like will a freshly made 70 with no prior account before 10.1.7 be able to smash...
Yeah just get like a full set of recent-ish gear and you'll be fine
jagged pier
and we going back in time in the last one
opaque quest
Very different
Gonna be called the multi colored inclusive empire
round pendant
Gear from the new zones quests, events, etc, is fine
cerulean crescent
Yeah just get like a full set of recent-ish gear and you'll be fine
I am filled with confidence now
I shall engage
2 days from now
When patch drops
tfw not NA
Actually I lied patch drops tomorrow
pine storm
and we going back in time in the last one
Are you sharing what you're smoking? 😄
chilly brook
We got .2 and .7 patches now for transitions
Look I’m just saying FFXIV have fantastic villains and narrative arcs because they take the time to develop them and actually show them doing things throughout the expansion
jagged pier
they literally said it on stage
pine storm
No, we're going back to the old world, not back in time
opaque quest
Look I’m just saying FFXIV have fantastic villains and narrative arcs because th...
Emet Selch has been build up for like 10 years. Pretty good