it just doesnt
#protection
strong forum
craggy pilot
sacred flare
i mean its about the same as playing a healer in solo content
dull sleet
Ty for answering
ebon geyser
u playing Vdh also @strong forum
strong forum
no
median tulip
It does tank damage with caster durability
strong forum
way less than tank
long vessel
Hi guys, I have a noob question.
I was looking at some guide before starting a warprot reroll. I don't know anything about warprot, so i have read the faq and guide there. If i understand correctly, shield block duration always extends if you cast an other shield block, shield charge (with correct perk) and last stand (with correct perk).
So then, as we aim for 100% uptime the timing is quite irrelevant right ?
Moreover, shield block doesn't seem to be on GCD, so is there a reason not to macro it on our regular dps spells ?
Like :
#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Shield Block
And do the same with Thunder Clap and Revenge. There might be a reason we do not do this but I'm not sure to understand why...
median tulip
Hi guys, I have a noob question.
I was looking at some guide before starting a ...
Shield Block extends to a maximum of 3 times the Single-Cast duration
strong forum
generally speaking with how saturated out block uptime is, you can play that macro yes, it wont be overly beneficial as you wanna hold off on using this in m+ and keep your charge of SB for the next pack
median tulip
Bolster breaks that cap
strong forum
thunderclap and revenge are both on the GCD, you cant macro them together
long vessel
Shield Block extends to a maximum of 3 times the Single-Cast duration
Ohh, that makes sense ! Thanks !
median tulip
I wouldn't macro Shield Block into my builder abilities, but I do use the reset sniper macro that's in the pins for my Shield Block macro. And also in my Ignore Pain macro.
strong forum
i dont recommend using that macro as you lose agency when you can use SB and when not to use it
long vessel
thunderclap and revenge are both on the GCD, you cant macro them together
Yes, i did not mean it that way. I was thinking about macro shield block on revenge, and shiled block on thunderclap as 3 different macro.
median tulip
The core things you need to understand about ProtWar, @long vessel , is the function of the talents Anger Management, Indomitable and Violent Outburst
It's all about the Rage cycling. You spend Rage to build more Rage. Do it right, and you're literally too angry to die.
long vessel
i dont recommend using that macro as you lose agency when you can use SB and whe...
Well if you have 100% uptime it does not really matter, but if it does not extend over 3times the initial duration, my macro is juste a garbage waste anyway ^^"
pallid quiver
Well if you have 100% uptime it does not really matter, but if it does not exten...
The bigger issue is mostly in M+ where you need to have downtime between fights
strong forum
if you blindly send SB via a macro at the end of a pull
youll just not have it for the start of the pull
and die
pallid quiver
Any SB uptime while not fighting something is useless uptime
Since things like Heavy Rep and the like also don't work while hitting something
median tulip
Towards the end of a pull in M+ you are probably going to prefer to spend Rage on Execute rather than Shield Block 👍
pallid quiver
So you can either solve that by demanding absolutely zero downtime (RP says hi) or managing block
long vessel
Yes that's right, thank you for those answer.
long vessel
So you can either solve that by demanding absolutely zero downtime (RP says hi) ...
As an elementium anvil palprot enjoyer, my healer is already used to zero downtime keys ;P
fierce cradle
you sure? I've been thinkin that should i craft shield as first item
strong forum
crafted caps at 486, m+ drop caps at 483, raid caps at 489
using a spark for a +3ilvl on a slot youll eventually replace by just pugging first boss mythic or just vault
not that hot
fierce cradle
true, thanks!
harsh trellis
Oh wow, was just coming here to ask this same question, I am sitting on deciding between the belt and a shield and saw bracers mentioned, why bracers?
strong forum
bracers and cloak have the lowest stat budgets
so you lose the least amount of stats from them being 3ilvl below max
strange lintel
ah man. got a new friend thats trying prot warrior and hes like " dunno why im taking so much dmg on this 20 we just ran "
dusty ruin
Wait youre supposed to block with a Shield?
torn gulch
bracers/cloak/neck/rings will probably be your best bet on your first 5 sparks
hardy snow
Wait youre supposed to block with a Shield?
Shield is just to look good 
sand drum
hey friends talking with some dps raider friends in guild and they are going lariet but we are not right? got bit unsure?
silent vessel
scroll up like 6 messages
sand drum
sry XD thx
sullen girder
ah the prot channel where the "REAL" warriors hang out 🙂
how goes it this morning?
ionic fern
Amazing - as we're the real warriors.
sullen girder
great!
toxic pewter
i m very power full
ebon geyser
Amazing - as we're the real warriors.
Paladins everywhere 
graceful leaf
How are you guys handling the dragon breath from doti on last boss? I feel like that is Gonna be a tough fight on higher n+
toxic pewter
just gotta be strong
graceful leaf
I’ll keep that in mind 😂
toxic pewter
basically gotta rotate defensives pretty well on that boss
and healer need to heal u good
sick sentinel
okay
when you say outrange it
more specifically,
is it run out every time, or leap out every time or a mix or something
strong forum
leap
strong forum
no wont be ready for every breath
you get shit on almost every 10 seconds, for 10 seconds
silent vessel
i'm also a bit concerned about the add damage
pallid quiver
no wont be ready for every breath
To elaborate, with Bounding, it will be just barely up for every other breath. The add damage is alsolike Egi said while I was typing a huge concern, since current they hit you for like 160k every second
That on top of breath kills people
toxic pewter
wait are people leaping out of the breath? seems actually kinda awkward on that fight, can clip a party member and theres adds to be killed
silent vessel
idk i never had to worry about the breath so far in m0
add damage was a higher concern
valid finch
good afternoon, was wondering of i should put my dream spark into shield or some other piece of crafted gear?
silent vessel
no shield, bracer/cloak
thanks for coming to my ted talk
for more information please refer to pins/faq
toxic pewter
check pins/faq
pallid quiver
add damage was a higher concern
They nerfed the magic dot, though, iirc
doesn't help us though since they don't target the tank with that, anyways
silent vessel
yeah sorry my bad
pallid quiver
You didn't try very hard to find the answer
Have you tried looking at the comment directly before yours?
dull sleet
im sorry? I asked a question
And the answer was right above yours, literally right above
(I also asked that question but that doesnt matter)
pallid quiver
Honestly, if you're gonna be this aggressive about it, I'd prefer that
dull sleet
Are you american
pallid quiver
If you mean me, yes, though I'm not sure what specifically that means
dull sleet
No I meant daddy yates
And I wanted to display the common European superiority complex
Anyways
No shield, craft bracers
pallid quiver
You can also just opt to send it on nothing, as well, and see what you need to patch up, which is what I'm doing
not like an embel or anything will make/break you
icy yarrow
There is also placed top-right a search bar... try to writte that (key words) and look for answers instead complaining about it.
lusty grotto
livid swan
hey guys do i want to craft a shield with my first spark?
silent vessel
livid swan
lusty grotto
👀
i mean to be fair its not really that much of a straightforward question
it depends on what they will have access to
not everyone will raid
not everyone will pug
silent vessel
not everyone should be spoonfed
livid swan
the problem is asking a question that has been answered one line above it
lusty grotto
not everyone has RNG on their side
yeah i get it
ive complained about it way in the past
questions like how is prot looking are answered in the faq so i just link #268491842637660160
for example
but crafting a shield is more nuanced
how is prot looking, what embelishments etc those questions they can find easy answers to
whether they should craft a shield.. well that depends on some factors
nome assumes everyone will get the first drop, and be able to roll out against all other warriors/shamans/paladins
thats not really often the case
silent vessel
ok now pin that and we're good
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
look for the swords icon in the map
the frenzy is a bonus activity that shows up recurringly
you have to check the map for it
the crate one you have to talk to the moonkin right next to the person that gave you the quest
that boomy crafts the crates
lusty grotto
yeah its not up all the time
silent vessel
@sick sentinel its the bonus scenario icon and comes up quite frequently
lusty grotto
☝️
the engineering one fixing the dream
you have to use the item they give you
put it on the ground
then click the mini gadgetzan tp that it places when you use it
it'll port you to random places
like the zereth mortis world quest? i cant remember if it was a daily or world quest
lusty grotto
hehe
timber nest
are any of the time rift trinkets any good @ 450?
high aspen
shalamane is bis st rn
lusty grotto
@sick sentinel
sick sentinel
im still having trouble with other quests instead now
lusty grotto
which ones
sick sentinel
one is have to make a package, npc doesn't seem to exist at all
sick sentinel
other is dunno,
lusty grotto
buy the pet, after summoning the battle pet Righro that she gave you
from the npc (Eliana)
you have to summon the Righro pet first
its a battle pet, you can search Rithro and it'll come up
just summon it and you can buy Snorr from Elianna
thats it
as for the crate, the boomkin makes them
thats why he's the Supply Crate Master after all 🙂
sick sentinel
can we only reach 4/7
i did some quests, not a ton, but doesnt seem to progress yet
strong forum
If you have more renown you can get to 6/7
But that's only for degens who grinded shit for hours on end
gaunt solstice
Hi people, any of u suggest to use any macro on shield slam? maybe use macro with shild slam and shild block same buyyon? or ignore pain?
strong forum
Only one that's recommended is explained in pins
trim condor
is race world first for EU and NA together? And if so, why is NA starting day sooner? 😄
blazing condor
its for the whole world together
so OCE starts a day later
and yeah, thats been a long discussion for many tiers - most RWF guilds wants "global release" for raids so the raid drops the same time for everyone
because regardless of if EU or NA wins there's always "NA won cus they started one day ahead" or "EU won cus they saw all strats and the fight got hotfixed during the night"
trim condor
ah yeah haha
I am glad I am not doing world first, I feel like day headstart sounds better
same with some exploits when I am earning golds. People who dont sleep and people from NA exploit and it gets hotfied meanwhile
blazing condor
the difference definitely affects every region both negatively and positively
lusty grotto
EU starts later but
usually resets fuck NA over
so it kinda evens out
not saying its a good thing
trim condor
resets, because they last longer or?
lusty grotto
you cant do anything when the server is down
trim condor
or just that they can play in that time and eu still can?
lusty grotto
downtime etc
blazing condor
EU gets all of tuesday
trim condor
isnt reset at 4 in the morning and last few hours?
blazing condor
but at the same time NA could, if the end-boss is a big damage/healing check, use the tuesday reset to get additional gear
lusty grotto
isnt reset at 4 in the morning and last few hours?
not for NA
trim condor
not for NA
I see. I am not even suree for EU. But my jobless friend says that for eu its couple of hours max at reset days
strong forum
NA reset is at 10am their time
EU reset is at 5am
Na gets the head start
But EU can copy NA strats
NA gets fucked over by reset if EU is close to killing the last boss
Cuz they have to reclear and everything else before EU even goes to bed
trim condor
they definitely should do global launch. Its not even start issue, but whole progress issue with these timing I see
strong forum
If EU isn't close to killing end boss on reset, NA has a full day day advantage of doing pulls on last boss with a full reclear worth of more gear
If the raid is short NA gets advantage, if raid is long, EU gets advantage
It's a big ass back and forth
But ideally yes, global launch is what would be preferable for that setting
ionic roost
But then you get a similar issue, who gets a preferential release time
strong forum
Yup
trim condor
Its working alright with expansions, I am not happy with starting at midnight in EU, but it works
You can plan around that
ionic roost
But my argument stands, if EU guilds thought the reset was the largest factor in getting world first, they'd just play on NA
strong forum
If it played a big enough role
But it doesn't
Only 1 time in wow history has the reset played a minor role
And it was in aberrus cuz of a 3 day raid tier
strong forum
And the same on jaina, but reverse
Not extending
And then failing to reprog on opulence
xdd
Method taking World first jaina and World second jaina
Peak btfo
median tulip
But my argument stands, if EU guilds thought the reset was the largest factor in...
Shit ping bro
hushed bluff
guys is there any carfting item for season 3
i didn't play on my warrior for season 2 so i dont have any crafting on it
lusty grotto
you can check #268491842637660160
median tulip
guys is there any carfting item for season 3
You probably want to craft your embellishments on Wrist and Cloak. Rings are a good shout for an early craft as well, because free socket and lots of secondaries. Maybe neck as well.
lusty grotto
if youre undergeared and are not planning on raiding, shield is a good craft (primal molten)
but the important part there is not planning on raiding
ionic roost
Shit ping bro
ping for wow matters
hushed bluff
You probably want to craft your embellishments on Wrist and Cloak. Rings are a g...
i have elemental lariant from season 1 should i upgrade that or get that vers haste one ?
median tulip
i have elemental lariant from season 1 should i upgrade that or get that vers h...
The Lariat got heavily nerfed at the start of season 2.
hushed bluff
also thats not a ring
neck i mean sry
lusty grotto
nah dont bother with necks
not worth
accessories have the least amount of stats
so i heavily disagree with Zetakya
hushed bluff
i have forgestorm and primal molten should i keep forgestorm or go for primal molten sword upgrade
lusty grotto
on at least the rings comment
did you read #268491842637660160
it also depends on what your ilvl is
hushed bluff
tbh no i just log on my warrior in last week
lusty grotto
fury*
hushed bluff
yeah
lusty grotto
yeah craft yourself a shield first
toxic pewter
anyone know if i can spell reflect hammer of justice
toxic pewter
ok ty
lusty grotto
at 434, get a shield first
then follow #268491842637660160
forget about weapon for now
you wont get 2nd spark in a bit anyway
so your 2nd craft depends on what you've gotten
by then
if you get a weapon, you can go with #268491842637660160
if you don't then you can probably craft one
but its highly unlikely you wont be able to farm one
hushed bluff
i have that primal molten i can upgrade it
lusty grotto
a primal molten what
trim condor
oof, I forgot to swap from fury loot spec from 10.1 and got 450 two hand polearm 😦
hushed bluff
Sadge
lusty grotto
thats fine just read what i just said
hushed bluff
ok thx
lusty grotto
because it wont matter in the long run
the crafts that will end up matter are the ones Nome has in #268491842637660160
a shield is only 1st craft if youre undergeared so you dont get giga slapped by relevant content
trim condor
will be there reduced shield value due to K values? And in the long run, will it be bigger than 10.1 with max gear?
lusty grotto
and if you wont immediately raid and/or get the first shield awarded to you from 1st boss
toxic pewter
is it worth making bracers and cloak today and just upgrading them or does it really matter
hushed bluff
yeah thats would be good for me
trim condor
but they are still not yet in effect right? I tried tanking yesterday after little break and I felt like I am getting more dmg taken than normally, but will be more likely my month break
lusty grotto
they only apply to seasonal content
older content doesnt have higher k values
anything that scales with the season will
anything that doesnt, will not
hushed bluff
anything that doesnt, will not
should craft that primal molten shield or there is new for crafting
blazing condor
Ive gotten 2 of those
sick sentinel
lemme take a wild guess
the rep farm is
u plant a fuck load of seeds
and get rep and do it till cows come home
- super bloom
strong forum
yup
sick sentinel
hmmm maybe im maxed out on the amount i can do
cosmic wyvern
Will it be worth running interupting shout in some of the s3 m+ dungeons
sick sentinel
cosmic wyvern
I'm looking over guides and taking notes on the dungeons and a few of them have packs with a lot of casters that need to be interrupted at the same time
limpid tide
Just use sigil of silence 🤐
lusty grotto
ok, so whats the question?
harsh trellis
bracers and cloak have the lowest stat budgets
Thank you.
lusty grotto
oh disrupting shout
i dont plan on it
you have 2 aoe stops
and DHs will be a dime a dozen
pastel sleet
does anyone have a link to the flightstone costs of each gear slots upgrade? it seems like it should be really simple info to look up but i cant find it anywhere
cosmic wyvern
you have 2 aoe stops
do we take intimidating shout this season in m+?
I've been kinda missing it tbh
cosmic wyvern
wowhead says not to take it for m+ in season 2 so I haven't been
lusty grotto
in every dungeon build WE have
we as in this channel
giga scuffed if wowhead recommends not picking a basically free stop
idk
i see it there plain as day
lusty grotto
i find that extremely hard to believe
lusty grotto
cosmic wyvern
yeah. I'm saying it wasn't
lusty grotto
im pretty sure it was
youre just confusing it with ST builds
theres absolutely 0 reason NOT to have it
cosmic wyvern
ok cool, anyway I was just checking in to ask if there were any situations where taking interrupting shout might be potentially worthwhile next season
lusty grotto
strong forum
disruptive shout seems to be a solid option in everbloom and tott
lusty grotto
tott you can just abuse LoS
cosmic wyvern
not sure what I would get rid of for shout tho
lusty grotto
everbloom i can see it being okay i guess?
strong forum
youd drop bloodsurge probably
i cant see any other talent being worth to be dropped
cosmic wyvern
yeah that's probably the only thing we can drop
kinda wish our tree was a bit more flexible but it is what it is
strong forum
its too good to be flexible
too loaded
1 single talent point
is worth 5% or more throughput
cosmic wyvern
I mean, personally I'd accept a few small nerfs in exchange for having more flexibility/multiple viable talent builds
having it be this loaded on individual talents probably isn't a great thing
lusty grotto
😬
cosmic wyvern
I mean, it does kinda feel bad having 3/5 of our capstones be worthless
although at least we aren't monk
strong forum
i been advocating for replacing ravager with conq banner
cosmic wyvern
I'd love that personally
honestly though they could replace spear with ravager in the class tree too
spear doesn't feel warrior-y at all
(also if they did bring back banner I'd love if it was reskinned to be less maldraxxus themed)
strong forum
i had a feeling all of SL that we're gonna get spear
issue is
they nerfed spear so fucking much
that its a shell of its former self
cosmic wyvern
spear is just ursol's vortex but bad
strong forum
2x the CD, its now phys dmg and not arcane so its 30% less dmg
and they nerfed the crit zone
strong forum
spear is just ursol's vortex but bad
nah its vortex but way stronger
cuz it drags back infinitely
vortex only drags back once
the issue is everything else
cosmic wyvern
honestly I'd rather have spear at a lower cooldown with much lower damage so it could be used for its utility rather than just for its damage
cosmic wyvern
often when you want the damage of spear, the actual pullback effect is either negligible or a detriment
honestly though, I don't really care if they remove it because we never use it anyway
mortal dagger
@lament musk #protection check this
cosmic wyvern
it's terrible without its rightmost capstone, and we can't dedicate that many talent points to something so mediocre
doesn't help that it's gated behind a 2 point talent either
cosmic wyvern
wowhead has a good one
lament musk
<@235809563490779136> <#148897941883584512> check this
hi
cosmic wyvern
although idk if it's been updated since rageheart nerfs
strong forum
will we have a tier list for the season 3 trinkets
i put up a tierlist aswell
lusty grotto
strong forum
"you want every raid trinket"
sick sentinel
cuz thers a whole bunch from raid and keys
strong forum
there you go
cosmic wyvern
got it, rolling need on healer trinkets
sick sentinel
wq ones are getting better but still pepega ilvl
cosmic wyvern
there are one or two raid trinkets that are honestly just kinda mid tho tbh
lusty grotto
kinda missing the point of spear
its the damage and the buff with its appended talents that matter
strong forum
except they nerfed that buff window
cosmic wyvern
yeah, then just get rid of the actual pullback effect if they want it to be focused around the damage
cosmic wyvern
it combines a utility with a heavy dps cooldown, which I just personally dislike
strong forum
in SL spear was good cuz 40sec CD +8sec buff window
now its 1.5min CD + physical dmg + 6sec window
sick sentinel
in pins? im afraid to ask
lusty grotto
why the compromise though
sick sentinel
im searching pins and dont see there
strong forum
i already gave you the tierlist yogi
cosmic wyvern
since if there's a point in a fight/pull when you actually WANT that utility, you've either already used it for dps, or using it for its utility would be a sizeable dps loss
strong forum
get your hands on all the dps/tank trinket you can get your hands on
you want them all for different situations
cosmic wyvern
same issue that abomination limb has
mortal dagger
give me tierlist nome
cosmic wyvern
give me tierlist nome
lusty grotto
i mean the compromise is already there, you can choose elysian might or not if oyu want to
cosmic wyvern
you already have to waste 3 talent points to even get the damn spear though
toxic pewter
now its 1.5min CD + physical dmg + 6sec window
whoa spear is physical damage now? lolwtf
strong forum
has been all of DF
cosmic wyvern
there's really never a reason to take it as prot
toxic pewter
didnt even realize.. gross
cosmic wyvern
in m+, you could either spend 3 talent points on spear, or just spend 2 on shockwave which is infinitely better
and in raid, lol
lusty grotto
theres no reason cause it doesnt hit hard enough for its long cd, it cant compete utility wise with shockwave due to cd, it cant compete with other capstones because its initial damage isnt enough
that's it
we cant choose all capstones
cosmic wyvern
either make it stupid high damage or make it a low cooldown utility cd
lusty grotto
thats not how the trees are designed
sick sentinel
theres nothing to out right avoid
lusty grotto
well yea that's what i meant
sick sentinel
like the toilet trinket from throne im assuming hardly
cosmic wyvern
I don't really care about the class tree capstones not being all viable tbh, being able to take all but one is still great
sick sentinel
porcelian, throne, you know
toxic pewter
ngl i think warr should somehow get a new damage type sort of like how all these other damn classes getting one. Can be like uhhh physical+some other magic
cosmic wyvern
I do have issue with 3/5 of the spec tree's capstones being completely worthless though
we have too much power earlier in the tree, with very little at the bottom
lusty grotto
thats an issue with just about every class
the capstone one i mean
like for example VDH is perma locked on illuminated sigils now
cause its just too good
cosmic wyvern
yeah, I don't see a great way to fix it since battle-scarred veteran is great on paper, but just not worth taking simply due to not having enough points to take it
lusty grotto
it doesnt mean the talent tree is shit
cosmic wyvern
they could totally just get rid of the ravager capstones tho and nobody would notice or care
lusty grotto
you forgot that BSV is bugged
lusty grotto
sigh
i would have expected you to know this
cause im pretty sure we've discussed it with you
but here goes
lusty grotto
BSV procs from unmitigated damage
sigh
as in, it doesnt matter what type of mitigation you have up, it could be block, drs, absorbs, it uses the raw damage for its calculation
lesigh
strong forum
le epic sigh
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
i unironically have been known to type sigh
sullen girder
breathes in and exhales frustratingly too much typeing of the word sigh in here
sick sentinel
dwarf sitting on rock origin story on fb
teal swift
@lusty grotto poking you to say, hydrate. And you're an asset to the community.
lusty grotto
grim pilot
god help
strong forum
"only press ignore pain if you need to"
revenge is dmg spender, so you use it to deal dmg!
thats clear as day
cerulean tusk
0 overheal = perfect usage
strong forum
stance of the mountain
he using annulet or the trinket?
i think thats cragshaper or
grim pilot
I genuinely dont know
I tried to tell the guy to use revenge a bit less
and he insta kicked me
cerulean tusk
That was his revenge
cerulean tusk
B)
grim pilot
I find the heal side funnier
strong forum
i often avoid trying to give unprompted advice
grim pilot
ignore pain below any other type of healing
strong forum
cuz like, most react in the most toxic ways
grim pilot
when it should be 1st by far in +10
strong forum
they take it personally
grim pilot
ye that's why I tried to word it in a nice way
grim pilot
"Hey, you're using revenge a bit too much" followed by
"Try doing shield slam > thunder clap > revenge"
dunno man I just did my 3rd key on havoc and I'm absolute dogshit
cerulean tusk
To be fair, do you know him and why should he care? He just chillin - let him do his own thing, ain't hurting nobody. Ya lads elitist
grim pilot
if someone could say from details alone what to do better I'd be happy
cerulean tusk
Toxic both of ya smh
cerulean tusk
Yep, just let em vibe
grim pilot
the moment I tried to "study" and learn how to be better, shit became boring/repetitive to a point
Perfect example would be an old game "homm 3"
strong forum
things often get trivialised once you figure out how to do thing
pallid quiver
I have absolute negative amounts of fun when I don't have any idea what I'm doing
strong forum
also true for me in most games
grim pilot
Well depends what u mean by that
strong forum
if im not steam rolling out the gate, its less fun
grim pilot
I like to keep learning stuff
Like I'm dogshit and I learn 1 new thing every 5 minutes
That's fun
cerulean tusk
To be fair, did he hold agro and did he die? My guess no, so he was winning
strong forum
slogging through early game doing slow boring stuff just for the sake of progression is shit
but IRL games can be fun having no fucking clue
or sports
cerulean tusk
My guess, he was having a good feeling after that run. And you stomped that out flat
Back into the mud
Some times ya just wanna feel good and have some fun in yer game
pallid quiver
I specifically find a lot of fun in doing the best possible in a given situation, so I always play and strive to improve. Like, when I first played Risk of Rain 2, it felt like shit not knowing how to keep surviving and aiming to loop, so I sat down and specifically drilled down on item recognition, map familiarity, and general class performance just specifically to get to a point I was comfortable with
grim pilot
I specifically find a lot of fun in doing the best possible in a given situation...
And then you stopped playing it because it became boring?
pallid quiver
Some times ya just wanna feel good and have some fun in yer game
and sometimes you're just on an absolute power trip, unable to conceive of anyone being half as good as you are
That's the mentality of most tanks, unfortunately
pallid quiver
And then you stopped playing it because it became boring?
no it was the main game.i played for like 7 months until the next fighting game i wanted to play came out
strong forum
i dislike the general rogue like way of "yeah you just gotta play a couple hours without being able to succeed cuz you dont have the good powers unlocked yet"
grim pilot
I remember s1 when I started playing and was tanking keys, my first goal was to get 2k, then 2.5k then all portals, then 2.8k, then 3k etc
shit was fun
I had no idea what sim was so I was just asking here what upgrade should I take from vault
keks
cerulean tusk
strong forum
quite the quick progress then
grim pilot
ima.
strong forum
from 2k to doing 28s in 1 season
grim pilot
I'm a competitive player
pallid quiver
Yeah, Risk of Rain 2 isn't like that, fortunately. Your base kit will stay your base skit most of the time, and all chars are functional without the extra skills. At some points, the ectra skills you could unlock where dogshite, anyway. It's neat how RoR2 works since getting more items unlocked just adds more flavor to the game. Hell, some unlocks make the gamer harder because it dilutes your item pool with garbage
grim pilot
and degen
cerulean tusk
Just remember, even if you mean well, in 99% of cases people don't want your advice - if, you have not already established a connection.
If you really want to give advice ask, 'Hey, you want some small tips for improvement?' and respect a no 
pallid quiver
I just really don't ever try to help unless someone directly asks. Like, in general even. I'll just watch people die if they're running running from a mob in the general open world a lot of times, too
people lose their shit in this game
grim pilot
then again you not helping might cultivate a stereotype that game is not begineer friendly and some people might quit
Due to players just coming, doing the dungeon and leaving
pallid quiver
The game isn't beginner friendly; tutorials are ass, community is full of a lot of stuck up asshats, new player experience is just bad overall, and the path to transition to actually trying to improve/change how you play is confusing as hell
cerulean tusk
That is why asking is da way, it is the win/win. Help the ones who will appreciate it
pallid quiver
I'll still talk in dungeons a ton
pallid quiver
That is why asking is da way, it is the win/win. Help the ones who will apprecia...
I've had even worse interactions asking if people eant advice
That's how I had someone try to stalk me for like a week back in Pandaland
cerulean tusk
Spill the tea ☕
grim pilot
Time to finally finish cyberpunk
racked up 50h in this game
Did 99% of side missions and a fuckton of contracts
Sadly I've been spoilered a while ago while searching something up on the internet
pallid quiver
he found out about the secret geralt cameo
pallid quiver
Spill the tea ☕
did you want me to elaborate spill the beans style or
sorry, i didn't really catch the meaning behind this one
grim pilot
he found out about the secret geralt cameo
I know that in the end || you barge into arasaka tower and kill everyone incl smasher and somehow survive, also that saburo is not actually dead, more like silverhand dead ||
timber nest
have people used their spark yet? if so, on what?
pallid quiver
Faq, but bracers/cloak are the two pieces that will be bis for embel by the end, so if you're getting full vault/Mythic gear, those are your best bet for lasting you forever
warm plinth
You gotta have a spark to use it 😏
pallid quiver
i'm personally holding to see if I need to send it to catch a piece up as a stop gap
vocal flame
So the Drakes Dreaming Crest is 90 per week right not per season?
Cause I had 105 then 90 and then 75 thinking I could get more but now I can’t get more than 75
pallid quiver
it's 90 for the season, only ever get 6 upgrades; welcome to the loot treadmill once again, baybee
You have a cap that increases by 90 every week
So week 2, you can collect up to 180, then 270, and so on
There's some crest sources that ignore the cap, too, by the way
i think it's mostly renown rewards and quest rewards
vocal flame
So it’s 90 till next patch? That’s crazy
pallid quiver
ye, hope you didn't waste those upgrades
vocal flame
I wasted 15 then
pallid quiver
unfort smh
vocal flame
It let me go up to 105 tho
pallid quiver
~~So week 2, you can collect up to 180, then 270, and so on~~
ye, this bit here
er
i linked wrong one
pallid quiver
There's some crest sources that ignore the cap, too, by the way
this one
So if you did renown and the main quest iirc, you get a few that go past cap
pallid quiver
Yeah, on the serious note
You get 6 upgrades per week per crest type is a way to look at it
teal swift
It let me go up to 105 tho
There's uncapped 15 from renown 8
And 15 uncapped from 2000 flight stone achievement.
I got 120 this week
vocal flame
There's uncapped 15 from renown 8
And 15 uncapped from 2000 flight stone achieve...
Ah ok.
red otter
Hey friends, looking to optimize more, I keep finding I'm struggling to optimize uses of Shield Block and Ignore pain, in these cases I am struggling to keep track of my rage total and how many uses and the CD of Shield block I have. Is there perhaps any weakauras you guys use that may help this?
Pic of UI if that means anything in this case.
vocal flame
Thank you I’m as worried lol
pallid quiver
Hey friends, looking to optimize more, I keep finding I'm struggling to optimize...
without even reading the rest of your sentence, you optimize IP by sending it as a rage dump
you don't even need to track it or anything
red otter
without even reading the rest of your sentence, you optimize IP by sending it as...
Uh yeah, but Im struggling to keep track of rage total.
I know that.
I use it when high rage
I overcap on rage way too often.
pallid quiver
Yeah, was gonna say you'll want to track rage better, and I'd recommend just
making your rage bar bigger
so it's really hard to miss
especially looking at your UI at a glance
damn that's tiny
I have my rage bar even bigger than my health, even, since it's more important
There's a pic of my UI there for example
Rage bar's the red bar above my CD trackers
red otter
Ok that might work, thanks I'll try making mine abit bigger and adjusting my UI accordingly
pallid quiver
Yeah, I'd start there to see if you need to adjust anything else
If you can adjust where your SB charges are, you could bring them more center so you can track their CD better, as well as SB duration
vocal flame
There's uncapped 15 from renown 8
And 15 uncapped from 2000 flight stone achieve...
I prob got 120 too but I spent some not realizing haha it’s ok I’ll get more.
teal swift
This is likely my final ilvl for the week
vocal flame
Damn! Nice
sand pebble
is there a case to use the new blacksmithing helm?
teal swift
Sim it
sand pebble
for defensive purposes ^
teal swift
No
sand pebble
ty
teal swift
There isn't any tank that needs to itemize around defense for any contrnt
sand pebble
thats exactly what i wanted to hear 🙂
ocean iron
This is likely my final ilvl for the week
Damn was thunder fury mogable to twohanders
teal swift
Damn was thunder fury mogable to twohanders
Sir that's a demonhunter 😟
raw void
Does the waycrest axe bleed count towards the 4 set?
toxic pewter
na
pallid quiver
Does the waycrest axe bleed count towards the 4 set?
It specifies the class bleeds in the 2P
opaque quest
This is likely my final ilvl for the week
2x463 not bad i cant even be arsed to level one
grand veldt
god help
HAHAH HE USED WHIRLWHIND LOL
He must not be using all the leech talents too IDK how his leech healing isnt triple fueled by violence
static aspen
This is likely my final ilvl for the week
Cool, now go to DH discord
sick sentinel
im so glad fog of war vision isnt a thing in wow
watching some league video
imagine if you had to put wards down every i dunno 100 yards to see enemies after you walk away.
jagged pier
L e T h I m C o O k
warm plinth
@grim pilot be honest, that was your details wasn't it
pallid quiver
it was mine
hardy snow
I think Im gonna craft allied wrists as one of my embelish for S3, im quite tired of rng procs everywhere
jagged pier
hardy snow
I dont pay attention to it, I just dont like that tons of gear have some random procs
jagged pier
u not gunna like bis wep then
hardy snow
u not gunna like bis wep then
yeaa I know XD
pallid quiver
400% damage tho
jagged pier
above 90%
pallid quiver
you can throw 400% damage into a description anywhere and i'd like it
hardy snow
this one at least have all stats
jagged pier
Never getting it anyways, so it's fine.
true
pallid quiver
even if it was "400% of damage you deal is dealt to yourself"
ionic fern
even tho u like the only class that wants it
Je, but the DH want's it for mog.
jagged pier
ah true
pallid quiver
something something SMF fury
pallid quiver
if i lose that weapon to a fury war, I'm bringing the end times
hardy snow
the hell is SMF?
pallid quiver
Single Minded Fury, the thing that doesn't actually exist
ionic fern
SMF wasting 2 talent points and giving up leggo
Our guild uses droptimizer to prioritise loot.
So..in theory i could just change my fury talents to SMF, sim myself..the weapon would be up top..get the weapon..and go back to 2h as fury and use the 1h as Prot.
pallid quiver
it should be a talent that lets you tmog 2hands as 1hands
ionic fern
pallid quiver
it'd be funny
jagged pier
Our guild uses droptimizer to prioritise loot.
So..in theory i could just change...
same
jagged pier
Our guild uses droptimizer to prioritise loot.
So..in theory i could just change...
im the only 1 on the list for all 3 difficulties
ionic fern
pallid quiver
I don't have a guild to even clear with so I have to tear all my drops from the cold, dead hands of pugs
silent vessel
im the only 1 on the list for all 3 difficulties
nice
blazing condor
Cant wait to pug 
jagged pier
pallid quiver
Cant wait to pug <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Let's suffer together
jagged pier
i would offer coming to our friday runs but, they are just as bad as pugging the first few weeks
pallid quiver
I'd also have to move to a different continent
jagged pier
goode wouldnt tho
blazing condor
im down as long as you dont hog all the gear
pallid quiver
No, no, I'd have to, absolutely nothing could be done about that, unfortunately
blazing condor
jagged pier
well thats why u should wait a few weeks
pallid quiver
What a shame it would be to have to move out of north america
I'm not sure whether I'd rather pug, have the potential for loot, but bang my head against the wall with trying to find another tank that presses buttons that aren't WASD, or actually get bosses cleared and can play the game, but not get the junk I'm suffering raid for
blazing condor
i haven't read up on any tacts for bosses
guess i should do that
or play pineapple game
pallid quiver
pineapple don't tell you tank mechs
pallid quiver
but it's hopefully good enough to make my mage friend slightly understand what's going on
He normally insists he learns best by doing and goes into every fight blind
and then never uses defensives and wonders why he die
it's a struggle every time
blazing condor
tbf no matter how read up you are it takes a few actual tries to get into it
jagged pier
but yeah im jk i dont tend to play pineapple
why not? its a great game with bangging tunes
pallid quiver
tbf no matter how read up you are it takes a few actual tries to get into it
But also,
he gets a mechanic and goes "hey what's this" and I have to explain how to do it every time
it hurts emotionally
pallid quiver
reminds me that i need to dig through the dungeon journal for fyrakk stuff
I only keep actually glancing at it
blazing condor
fire bad
pallid quiver
I know if you mess up on saving souls, they become creepy pasta
pallid quiver
they get spoopy face
inland raft
So other then campaign and getting spark was there anything supposed to do this reset?
jagged pier
no
blazing condor
have fun 🙂
pallid quiver
fun is banned
jagged pier
true
ionic fern
I'm having a blast.
pallid quiver
that's a paddlin'
blazing condor
im doing legacy content 
but gonna be fun with new m+
and raid wipes
new Rezan trinket should be pretty ok right?
jagged pier
it is simming okay
ebon geyser
I'd also have to move to a different continent
EU is better
sick sentinel
is the cataclysm pack transmog for retail or cata
i have no plans to play cata but i want the mount
that mount is incredible
or like, i want to have that moun on the retail shop, basically
lusty tiger
gm
nimble skiff
So what level do you think you can roll into m+ at, or is it just yolo send it and see how high you can go
blazing condor
If youre around 445 and got a competent team you could do 20s id imagine
But pug idk
nimble skiff
I'm at 440… but puglife
pallid quiver
Since tuning wasn't intact in PTR, I have zero idea
I also skipped all of Season 2, so I'm 153 IO last season and will have no key
so i'm just gonna push my own key and see
nimble skiff
I wasn't sure if the mobs got a buff because ilvl bump
(new to m+ just started going ham on it 3 weeks ago)
sick sentinel
im 446
pallid quiver
Every season, the tuning changes to keep up with the ilvl increases, so keys will be relatively harder since you should be lower ilvl on average for a given key level than in the last season if you start late
sick sentinel
just trinkets that arent 447 from s2
pallid quiver
That being said, a large amount of the difficulty in keys is managing mobs/stops in ways that allow you to pull big without people exploding
blazing condor
For the "average" player going into m+ next week you're probably just looking to do as high as possible
but i feel like 15 is kinda where it stops
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's probably around 14-15-ish where the average M+ group ends up getting stuck at week 1 from what I remember
jagged pier
no
that will be the higher ppl like top 10-25%
your average m+er will get like a 5
pallid quiver
i really mean like people who dig down for M+ by that
A lot of people very casually hit M+ that I'm discounting, since they're not, like, trying to push
It's really hard to get numbers on that feel since you can't just filter casual players from dedicated players on sheer stats, but yeah, the largest majority of people might not even break like 8s or something week 1
sick sentinel
ill probably get at least 1 10 done i figure
all my gear is relatively good and enchanted
graceful leaf
Hey guys is there still a glyph that makes intimidating shout not make the mobs wonder off?
sick sentinel
not really no, but some will be quick to jump here "you can just break it immeadiately"
there are a few things to note, it shouldnt cause the primary target to flee and just the aoe ones and there is "meance" that sort of does what you want but it costs a talent
cuz the cower in fear part of the spell description is what you are after
hazy bronze
Hey guys is there still a glyph that makes intimidating shout not make the mobs ...
The linked talent directly under it
median tulip
The linked talent directly under it
I mean, Menace doesn't make them wander off, but it knocks back a good way
I've accidentally pulled with Menace before now; it's a fair distance
jagged pier
i mean glyphs arent a thing anymore
and that talent is aweful
so i hope no one runs it
just take normal int shout
it breaks instantly on damage anyway
so mobs dont run
sick sentinel
I've accidentally pulled with Menace before now; it's a fair distance
skill issue didnt 500 iq future vision the result /sarcasm
median tulip
and that talent is aweful
It was on my Arms PvP build and I forgot to change
For reference I have also punted people off high places in battlegrounds with it, which is hilarious
sick sentinel
its definitely a chaotic spell though
nimble skiff
I made the mistake levelling a guardian druid. The extra melee range for swipe makes life stupid easy. I'm convinced it's a 360 swipe and not a cone
dusky canopy
dull sleet
Well you can probably get it in s4
sick sentinel
its not lava cape from runescape (which i also never got), but its close
opaque quest
Mount from Cata pre order
strong forum
Cata classic?
opaque quest
strong forum
ic...
opaque quest
Its only for idiots. Normal ppl dont pre order especially when they dont even wanna play the game
opaque quest
Ye but for 80 bucks
silent vessel
monka
dull sleet
It's not for idiots if they want to spend that money 🥱
silent vessel
you get the mount on heroic edition already right
silent vessel
heroic edition is 30 bucks
opaque quest
Good deal. 30 bucks for a 15 year old game thats free
jagged pier
but u get the tmog the mount the pet in the heroic version
strong forum
It is a good mount
jagged pier
well u get pets and tmog
jagged pier
and a toy
if u add that up over shop items its alot
2 pets 2 mounts a toy and a tmog set
opaque quest
I think you didnt kekW
opaque quest
Funny. Second time you tell me to read while having no reading comprehension lmao
dull sleet
Bro you started insulting someone as idiot because they decided what to buy with their own money
opaque quest
Kaqpew is missing context then talks big
Our @sick sentinel is brainwashed its not his fault
dull sleet
gathering context from now on
toxic pewter
yogi is not brainwashed he too powerful
opaque quest
Thought its the same as WOTLK honestly
Had to spend 80 bucks for the kite thingy
Surprised blizz adjusted a price down instead of up
opaque quest
D4 ?
sick sentinel
it didnt seem like that rag mount was gunna be coming back any time soon and d4 i was gunna get it at some point anyhow
yeah, wanted the cerberus and the game
opaque quest
Ah the dog mount. Completely forgot it exists
plush tendon
yeah for disposable income!
opaque quest
At least you get a new game with that mount
sick sentinel
i wont play cata, but i had to have the mount
opaque quest
If you start playing D4 dont skip the campaign if you decide to hop into seasonal stuff. You wont get a mount
sick sentinel
i didnt get no battle pass, no plans to get battle pass
toxic pewter
Lol literally riding around in ragnaros I need it also lmao
opaque quest
i wont play cata, but i had to have the mount
Wait till you see invincible in D4. My walled almost slipped
plush tendon
I do wonder if cata classic goes well.... do they expand it to MoP XD
sick sentinel
i pertty much never do BP any more
opaque quest
i didnt get no battle pass, no plans to get battle pass
No need for season pass its just some cosmetic stuff. You can still play Seasonal
sick sentinel
yeah well, invincible is,
i cant see it
so how can i know its tehre to buyt it
and then ill never get tempted
opaque quest
https://www.wowhead.com/news/invincible-and-frostmourne-come-to-diablo-4-the-steed-of-the-lich-king-335662#screenshots:335662:1 Pretty sexy ngl
But 25 for a mount is just to much
sick sentinel
i just pretend like premium BP and shops dont exists in games
never ever think about getting them for a second
opaque quest
How do you buy wow tokens?
toxic pewter
The mount looks great congrats on your purchase
opaque quest
nono
Dont get the 4k high res textures
You dont see a difference anyways and the whole game bugs out
sick sentinel
ummm not sure
lets see what happens first
i do have 1440p, so get some use out of it
waxen cradle
I can say this season as I have played some leveling and getting uber geared to go kill this hardest bosses is SO much easier
sick sentinel
technically i do have 4k60 monitor
opaque quest
The seasonal powers are insane. No need for uber gear to kill ilith
sick sentinel
just, ya, 1440p one better
waxen cradle
log on do blood harvest and profit
waxen cradle
SO MUCH gear omg
opaque quest
But none of it is 925 :/
waxen cradle
oh and you never run out of gold pretty much ever now
opaque quest
Thats a lie
When you arrive at the part where all your upgrades are from rerolling some rerolls will be 15mil per clicfk
waxen cradle
I have so much gold I reroll when I choose
sick sentinel
even 120+fps 1080p is better than 1440p60
waxen cradle
well yeah ok that is true
opaque quest
even 120+fps 1080p is better than 1440p60
Running 1080p 165
Probably will for a while with these GPU prices
waxen cradle
yeah rerolling for level 80 gear pieces yeah rerolls get steep but doing Blood harvest and a few events I can generate it pretty fast
sick sentinel
i dont know the specifics of it, but tldr some shit i read about, if you have 2 monitors and 1 is a high refresh, and the other is a 60
you're some how better off putting it at 120hz i think it is
cuz its to do with the power or something
opaque quest
Thats old stuff. GPUs are smart enough to manage that these days
sick sentinel
does the most of it
opaque quest
It makes sense to upgrade old monitors tho. My 19" tft eats more than my 1080 165
waxen cradle
some of the high end GPU's like 40 series TI's are stupid expensive I will stick with my 3080 TI
plus why bother
well for me anyway
I dont play enough high end graphic games to need it honestly
opaque quest
Friend of me payed 1800 for a 4090 and now uses it for a 1080p display in D4
He plays nothing else
waxen cradle
lmao
opaque quest
He has the same FPS as me cause he cant use more than 145 anyways and my 5700xt cost 400
waxen cradle
overkill much
sick sentinel
im sure there are people who bought a 4090ti on day one to play fuckin
wizard 101
or like startrek online
waxen cradle
LOL
sick sentinel
some weird dead mo
opaque quest
If my GPU usage goes over 2% im gonna kms
opaque quest
Just play Starfield if you wanna have the 4090 100% usage 3 fps experience
toxic pewter
They need to bring back daily quests big time
Emerald dream is a nice looking zone but devoid of content
opaque quest
They need to bring back daily quests big time
No. I like not being forced to login
waxen cradle
daily quests... I can't agree sorry
opaque quest
One of APBs takes
hardy snow
They need to bring back daily quests big time
they were already introducing 2 WQs each day after release of zone
waxen cradle
have faith in blizzards ability to take content and make it infinitely replayable for much longer than we would like...
do you remember.... pepperidge farm remembers
opaque quest
So glad i skipped shadowlands until choreghast wasnt mandatory anymore
urban portal
At least that was weekly
waxen cradle
They sold torghast so well before it came out and we were near infinitely let down, that is what I hated about it so bad
toxic pewter
History will look down on expansions that made nothing matter
Eventually.. will take time that’s for sure
plush tendon
I liked a lot of the Shadowlands dungeons
toxic pewter
sanguine depths owned
waxen cradle
See that is what all that constant game playing does to people.... you see guys Apb has lost his mind... calling Shitla...... I mean shadowlands a good expansion
plush tendon
even if that place could get spooky quick
opaque quest
I liked CN
toxic pewter
Shadowlands already becoming more liked by people as time goes on.
opaque quest
Shadowlands already becoming more liked by people as time goes on.
ppl also say ICC was hard. How did that turn out
plush tendon
People are always mad at the current content
plush tendon
and then put on the goggles for past stuff
toxic pewter
It’s just not fun
plush tendon
ppl also say ICC was hard. How did that turn out
doood, ICC is hard
at least for me
waxen cradle
Ok I will say I hated it less than WoD, but WoD had great raids and some of shadowlands raids were shit
plush tendon
opaque quest
WoD raids ❤️
toxic pewter
When you create an expansion where nothing matters… oh wow look at that nothing matters
No good times can be had
With that situation
plush tendon
Ok I will say I hated it less than WoD, but WoD had great raids and some of shad...
I loved WoD