Buff prot
#protection
zenith sky
How does the upgrading work again? If I farm a 2h weapon and use crests to upgrade to say 476, are both 1h and shields free upgrades up to 476 due to having a higher ilvl 2h?
pallid quiver
No, you need the same type of thing. So you need a 1H at the level and a shield at that level
The only spec that gets out scot free is Fury Wars, since they can upgrade their second 2H after they've gotten one up to a given ilvl
sick sentinel
the way it worked in season 2 was
rings and trinkets, and main and and offhand
you had to do each seperately before the rest became free to upgrade
almost free
zenith sky
Hm, maybe I remember it wrong. I thought that I did upgrade a 2h to 447 without crests after I had 1h+shield at that ilvl.
stone jewel
You can upgrade a 2h and then have it count for both 1 hand slots yes
Rings and trinkets are separate but a 2 handed covers both slots 100%
silent vessel
i think that alot about other people in my keys
teal swift
Need to be above prot pala
T hen nerf shield block uptime
nimble skiff
Mmmmmm no. Just buff prot DMG. No trade off, all gains. Pallies put their faith in the light I put my faith in rage
jagged pier
VDH sandbaggin hard 
blazing condor
but nintendo nerfed bagging
jagged pier
they need to be taking lots of damage dont they?
strong forum
Yeah, Sims aren't adjusted to that yet
mortal brook
they need persistent, heavy, pref phys damage in single target yes
several bosses appear to do that next raid
strong forum
It's safe to assume that 3/6 tank profiles on there are misleading
Aka vdh bear and brew
(not certain about bear)
But vdh and brew are defo too low
ripe seal
The reason as to why we're not crafting shield next week is because we get a shield from 1st boss that can be upgraded to 483(?), so that means that we can just use our first shard asap and craft a cloak now instead cause that's not a part of the tier. Am i understanding it correctly?
silent vessel
p much
strong forum
hero path goes to 483, aka m+ loot, and first boss mythic shield can be upgraded to 489
dusky canopy
Does anyone know of a place where I might find a icon pack for all warrior abilites?
I'd like to add a bunch to my own discord for fun and id like to avoid manually making them from wowhead icons if possible
grim pilot
I can't recall, have we had any changes to the spec with 10.2 or it's just the tier set that changes
like any buffs nerfs anything
just curious
strong forum
nothing
strong forum
if anything you're weaker this week
cuz key scaling is 10% again
so a 25 is closer to a 27
a 30 is closer to a 33
strong forum
ye
strong forum
yeah thats
grim pilot
so that caught me off guard
strong forum
not gonna happen
grim pilot
I mean I wasn't hoping for timing it, I have undr 28 for to be timed
strong forum
nobody has ever completed a +33 tyr ulda
grim pilot
but just bosses alone are gonna be an impenetrable wall
strong forum
the highest ever completed ulda is a 31
grim pilot
highest timed, people could probably complete a 33 but that's still much higher than what I'm capable of
strong forum
nah
grim pilot
my highest timed is 28 with nerfed keys
strong forum
yeah so closer to 26s now
strong forum
and its tyr bolstering ontop
strong forum
yeah no
grim pilot
but we're not gonna be able to complete it
silent vessel
i dont really think its an issue if your goal is to have a high enough key for next week
strong forum
timing is just way out the window, but just getting past some bosses unless youre big time gamers will be quite something
grim pilot
people are joining on their raiding alts
grim pilot
Nah we could've made 28 happen but not with having learned it's actually not even a current 27
But how are u sure that's the case?
grim pilot
ye 1 sec
strong forum
you can ignore the left part of the coloumn as that its full 8% scaling from SL
but wowhead didnt release the scaling for the mid s2 key scaling above 20 chart
grim pilot
it did seem a way too off xd
strong forum
but right is the typical 10% scaling from 11 onwards
strong forum
this is the sheet released during s2 nerfs
left old(and now again current) and right is s2 nerfed values
ripe seal
Reckon it's worth upgrading from the 447 axe from mythic zskarn, to a 463 crit mastery wep from the Emerald dream, or might it be better to save the crests
Sim said about 3% dps increase, just dunno if i should save the crests or not
strong forum
the crests are irrelevant
you wont need whelpling or drake crests if youre going to be farming hero track gear
ripe seal
So if you're gonna be spamming M+ then it doesn't matter
strong forum
yeah
ripe seal
Gotcha, thanks Nomeratur =)
toxic pewter
Yeah I upgraded my 1h sword from emerald dream to 463
toxic pewter
Yeah that’s actually my main issue right now
strong forum
they upped the cost of flightstones
toxic pewter
I’m low on flightstones going into next week
Yeah I noticed I took a bigger hit than I really hoped and kinda regretting it a bit but I’ll be ok I think
sick sentinel
is it actually an up cost or just its back to normal rates
cuz it goes down by some %% after max it
i dont mind the flight stones, dont understand why its capped to 2k though
blazing condor
all those currency caps are stupid
especially when things dont even cost the same
now we dont have valor anymore but having a valor cap on 750 but a fully upgraded 2h is like 2k
sick sentinel
i would imagine dynamic cap would be better, but who am i to say any of this
cerulean tusk
Flightstones is the most stupid implention of a timegate system in the game currently. Sadly, that is something the devs want to force upon us
sick sentinel
more you spend, more you can carry, up to a point
cerulean tusk
The idea was "you got to spend it, so you dont feel bad upgrading your low gear." Tho, it is more a "dont spend, or it will take even longer to upgrade your real upgrades". As you get them so fast
silent vessel
I’m low on flightstones going into next week
low because you are capped and used some already or because you didnt farm them on hc megadungeon?
toxic pewter
Nah I used them in upgrading some stuff
silent vessel
ah
toxic pewter
I am working to make them back doing dungeons and raid and stuff
silent vessel
hc megadungeon is the fastest way
toxic pewter
Ok good to know
sick sentinel
there is so many mounts on store right now ugh
including collector editions and whatever for other games too
maybe i get d4,
3 i'm "missing" from d4 blizzcon pack, and cata, didnt buy tbc or wrath "heroic" or whatever
median tulip
i dont mind the flight stones, dont understand why its capped to 2k though
You can still get a pile of flightstones in Zaralek FWIW
knotty vortex
is it still best to craft a sshield the first week?
silent vessel
no
knotty vortex
ok with that said im guessing our bracer/cloak for the embellishments
silent vessel
👍
silent vessel
i dont understand what you were trying to say
zinc iris
Oh, I misinterpreted the earlier statement my bad. I thought they were suggesting the vers wrists and sporecloak
austere oar
Hi everyone, didnt find the information on the wowhead guide, if I have 428ilvl tier pieces, how much ilvl would I need to change on a piece to drop the set bonus ?
zinc iris
Probably not that much. I suppose you’d have to sim it
But old 4 piece is worth dropping the moment you get new 2p iirc
austere oar
thanks !
zinc iris
Just checked, yeah, 2p+2p is big gains
austere oar
will we be able to catalyst 10.2 gear on raid week 1 ?
gloomy vortex
the new suggested builds in the pins, taht is only to be used once we gt the new 4 piece right? if we still playing with s2 tier then we keep as is talents?
strong forum
Yeah
gloomy vortex
thanks
sick sentinel
You can still get a pile of flightstones in Zaralek FWIW
yeah, well, see what happens i suppose lol
what, u dont get them from main DF and like the whatever the fuck the bloom crap is now
i have no idea anything whatsoever about how the bloom vote crap works, dont even try to understand it
did 1 or 2 seeds
ebon geyser
we talking about the shit drop rate and low count from quest flighstones
graceful leaf
Do we craft the 463 shield or sword first?
ebon geyser
shield from raid and atal
graceful leaf
So craft sword
strong forum
Embellish
M+ gear can be upgraded all the way until 483
Whereas a spark craft caps out at 486
Embellishs are bis
Crafted anything else isn't
If you opt to craft a 463 weapon ASAP you'll just run into the situation of potentially really easily wasting a spark
Just for a 3ilvl increase
graceful leaf
So you'd suggest a lariat or frostfire belt?
graceful leaf
Oh ok I don't even know what that is so I need to do some looking
strong forum
It's a patch you can slam onto any crafted item
You'll want that on cloak and bracers
toxic pewter
u think it worth flavor pocket on a crafted item this season 3 ilvls for food buff quality of life
or just screw the flavor pocket
graceful leaf
Shoot ok so craft bracers and throw shadowflame on it
strong forum
Yeah that's what I did aswell
graceful leaf
Alright Awesome thank you!
ebon geyser
they need to remove the cap of Flighstones imo
toxic pewter
im ok with it, actually makes it so you may have to make some tough decisions
inland raft
so the weekly and dreamsurge only chances to get veteran loot this week and dreamsurge is only one time reward too right?
edgy belfry
what is the third best slot for shadowflame patch? (i wanna keep my brez)
sick sentinel
engineer? i dont think those are embellishments
the socket part, like you can have a socket and a cog thingy
edgy belfry
it is not ofc, but i am not allowed to have brez and shadowflame on wrist, am i
sick sentinel
thats a good question, i didnt attempt it
sick sentinel
seems no, seems like no slot to do embellishment on it
strong forum
third lowest slot would be feet/waist/gloves/shoulders
dusky canopy
450 ilvl gamers?
lusty grotto
yee
toxic pewter
how u guys 450 are you upgrading stuff or wat
lusty grotto
yea adventurer track
toxic pewter
oh right
ebon geyser
u just need to have a shit ton of flighstones
almost cap this week and next week to get the other 2
lusty grotto
fligthstones dont cap per week
you just spend them and keep earning them
crests do cap per week
austere oar
whats the best flightstone farm ?
echo egret
Can someone explain me those numbers ?
ebon geyser
fligthstones dont cap per week
what i mean is u need to get almost 2k for 2 pieces
echo egret
I understand the drake one, not the whelpling one.
lusty grotto
you do
not us
cause of the discount
if you are undergeared, you will need to spend that much
and then whatever other pieces in that slot that you upgrade will get discounted
up to your highest ilvl
lusty grotto
Can someone explain me those numbers ?
those are the weekly caps
you have 93 whelpings cause you capped drakes
so everything turns into whelplings and it doesnt count for the cap
any whelping that you acquire not by the drake cap will count towards the weekly cap
any whelpling that you acquire due to the drake cap converting it into whelping will not count
does that make sense?
echo egret
yes it does, but 25/90 ?
echo egret
I remember having exactly TWO drakes over the 90 cap, that turned into whelps
echo egret
only 2 converted
echo egret
I vividly remember the message like an hour ago
dusty ruin
Yeah this channel goes full circle pretty often
lusty grotto
the message doesnt always show up
echo egret
sorry, I had 88 drakes. I won 4 on the last seed. Exactly two showed as converted
25 would be the number of whelpling crest I got, that didn't count towards the cap ?
echo egret
I said it wrong
25 would be the number of whelpling crest I got, that did count towards the cap ?
echo egret
and 68 earned that didn't count
Damn you need a doctorate in algebra to understand their cryptic systems
silent vessel
you really dont
lusty grotto
its not that hard
also algebra isnt hard either
aspect capped turns into wyrm, wyrm capped turns into drake, drake capped turns into whelpling
whelplings are the bottom of the barrel
there are no aspects or wyrms until tuesday so
echo egret
its not that hard
I know it's not hard, I teach it 🙂 amon other things
echo egret
Actually... series are at the root of so many math stuff...
lusty grotto
no
math
im not talking basic series and/or sequences
just advanced calc
im an engineer so i had to take it all
strong forum
ik
lusty grotto
gleaming pawn
Do you get season 3 gear next week for doing a key this week?
or if there is a wowhead article about it can you please link it, i couldnt find it
lusty grotto
no you dont
gleaming pawn
(trying to justify why guildies should do a key this week)
gleaming pawn
ok ty
waxen orbit
Me and my boys are famous LMAO
6:00
"Exposing all these LAZY RESTO DRUIDS"
Bro bagged on my guild feral druid playing resto on an alt in a new key on PTR where we died like 50 times and on top of that he straight up pulled up a completely different damage breakdown
He casted wrath legit once in that entire key
Actual misinformation
toxic pewter
was brewmaster damage needing buffs? am i missing something here?
split pecan
was brewmaster damage needing buffs? am i missing something here?
ye it still deals less damage than rank 1 dps class
toxic pewter
?
toxic pewter
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
copper basin
how are warrior tanks for season 3?
lusty grotto
copper basin
anyone??
waxen orbit
how are warrior tanks for season 3?
Fine
Pretty good on Throne of the Tides and Everbloom
toxic pewter
is it true bear has 25% dr from their tier with 100% uptime or wat
toxic pewter
jfc..
warm plinth
Bear already had giga high uptime on DR though, tbf.
warm plinth
I mean, they lose a lot of survival from the blood frenzy nerf
toxic pewter
not that much
warm plinth
In big pulls it's very significant.
toxic pewter
well that was op to begin with
and imbalanced
their big pull capability is too much
warm plinth
So it's okay for us to take 0 damage in big pulls but not bears?
toxic pewter
wat
strong forum
tbf bear will still be absurd during incarn
lusty grotto
less so without tier
warm plinth
Yeah, they will
toxic pewter
25% is pretty wild though
lusty grotto
warm plinth
The problem with bears the last couple of expansions is that they were absolute shit outside of incarn.
lusty grotto
nah its not apb
lusty grotto
we have 20% from defensive stance bro
warm plinth
First Rallying Cry, now this. smfh
toxic pewter
even with nerf
warm plinth
Will the bullshit never end Blizzard
toxic pewter
we have 20% from defensive stance bro
yeah but we gotta pay for it
lusty grotto
the tier that will be replaced in a couple of days
toxic pewter
the tier that will be replaced in a couple of days
no i mean the new one
strong forum
about the theoretical performance of a tierset
toxic pewter
ok
lusty grotto
no i mean the new one
nah
strong forum
bear was unplayable most of PTR cuz its just bugged to shit
including tierset
for the longest time, you got a 1mil shield from tierset
for spending any amount of rage
bloodfrenzy is still bugged
toxic pewter
ok time will tell perhaps I am rushing to judgment yes
toxic pewter
yes true
chilly brook
go spell block for Nelth's lair or nah?
strong forum
technically not needed
only rly useful as last measure on bosses when SR or SW not ready for tank buster
lusty grotto
you dont need it for NL
strong forum
and for the frontals of the hulks it only works on the actual hit
lusty grotto
like nome said its mostly only there if you miss a reflect
strong forum
its a back-back up
lusty grotto
but you can use a wall for that
toxic pewter
kinda wild vdh can silence entire packs for 16 seconds
their utility has grown way too potent
this double sigil situation is wildly imbalanced and no one is talking about it
strong forum
bruther everybody is talking about it
lusty grotto
everyone is talking about
toxic pewter
where
warm plinth
Yeah can you go back to just complaining about Rallying Cry
toxic pewter
thats true i am angry
ebon hare
how are people getting 450 ilvl without running into thewhelping crest cap?
ebon hare
Ahh! Thanks
lusty grotto
(or 441 if that was your highest)
chilly brook
this double sigil situation is wildly imbalanced and no one is talking about it
bro you actin like paladins couldn't do this in the past
kicks? what kicks?
ebon hare
(or 441 if that was your highest)
Warrior and a few other tanks are 439 alts so they have 437 pieces here and there xD cost me 60 crests to get a 450 and now I have 30 left
toxic pewter
bro you actin like paladins couldn't do this in the past
working on forum post right now
lusty grotto
also drakes turn into whelping and ignore the weekly cap
chilly brook
working on forum post right now
I promise you everything will be ok
ebon hare
also drakes turn into whelping and ignore the weekly cap
good to know! cba with gettin them this week but ill spam some keys next week!
ebon hare
i hate not getting tagged in replies
ill keep that in mind going forward
ebon hare
i need that glow
some people find the pings annoying so im careful to do while im talking to people xD
lusty grotto
ive had a lot of people replying without tags this week
ebon hare
oh youre not the only one
now im just compensating
lusty grotto
people that find it annoying are fucking stupid
dont be in a discord and drop some line to not get replied to
they can eat a dick
reminds me of ye olde toxic whispers where the person immediately ignores you so you cant reply to their drivel
thats exactly what it is
split pecan
how are warrior tanks for season 3?
check pinned
warm plinth
Yeah I never notice Luerce's replies unless I happen to be looking at the screen when he does them lol
because he always turns pings off
lusty grotto
oh yeah luerce does it
i dont mind people doin git
id rather they didnt but im not gonna be a dick about it
what i do mind are people that complain about it
especially fucking one-guys
lusty grotto
true
speaks the true nature of that person that they expect everyone to turn off pinged replies instead of doing it themselves
selfish af
warm plinth
Honestly I do wish they would have a setting that made replies default to off, even if it was specific to the server
ebon hare
especially fucking one-guys
whats a one-guy
lusty grotto
some guy that says some unbelievably dumb line and/or asks a very stupid repliable question and then never shows up ever again
one-guys are usually on twitch streams
not so much in discords
ebon hare
yooo thats me
lusty grotto
its kind of a low effort troll
ebon hare
no im just dumb
lusty grotto
yeah youre not a one-guy
strong forum
getting "one-guyed" is when you have 1 person standing out with a negative/absurd comment among a crowd of regular conversation and derails it despite it literally just being 1 guy spouting stuff
loud minority kind of deal
lusty grotto
yeah nome has a better definition
ebon hare
for s3, because crafted is a lower ilvl, is the move to get them in the lowest stat budget slots? cloak/feet etc.
lusty grotto
yeah thats answered in #268491842637660160
strong forum
yeah so like, basically a streamer has a normal discussion, 99 people agreeing, 1 guy not agreeing, and the streamer gets "one-guyed" by that 1 comment and goes on a tangent
lusty grotto
but oyu have the right idea
ebon hare
just planning first crafts across tanks/thinking about what to spend my crests on
lusty grotto
go to #268491842637660160
that'll tell you what you need to know or confirm your stuff
ebon hare
thanks! just read through it, mustve missed the embelli section the first time i skimmed it
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
u guys use any macro for new ping system
warm plinth
What is all this shit I'm hearing about keys having mobs with different HP and shit? I've looked at a bunch of cases people have talked about and it doesn't seem to be true...mass hysteria? lol
lusty grotto
What is all this shit I'm hearing about keys having mobs with different HP and s...
i cant answer to that but, the post 20 scaling is back so it might be slightly different to what they were used to a week ago
warm plinth
It does not seem like that's true though
The post 20 scaling being back I mean
HP values are the same, damage is the same
nothing is different
lusty grotto
no idea then
warm plinth
I've looked through at least a dozen logs comparing 10.1.5 to this week
haven't found a single example yet
sick sentinel
What is all this shit I'm hearing about keys having mobs with different HP and s...
memory hole
chilly brook
i cant answer to that but, the post 20 scaling is back so it might be slightly d...
Doesn’t feel any different
lusty grotto
it'll probably feel different to healers more than anyone
thats compounding on it with the whole group heal nerf and manage regen shit
chilly brook
Didn't they hotfix nerf augvoker
14th
lusty grotto
tuesday
toxic pewter
daring marlin
augvokers talking like they're people
daring marlin
weirdge
mint gorge
if i do a key this week, do i get a keystone from the vault at equivalent level?
grim pilot
-11 levels
mint gorge
oh so if i do a 20, it'll be a 9?
mint gorge
ty
warm plinth
I think this is the biggest drop they've ever done
S1 going into S2 was what, like 7 or something?
grim pilot
same as now
if I recall correctly
I think I had 24 timed last week and I got a 13?
nvm, it was -10 instead of -11 https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-keys-will-drop-by-10-levels-at-the-start-of-season-2-332622
warm plinth
Ah okay so I was right and wrong at the same time 
daring marlin
S2 keys are way more inflated than S1. wat
Hence the title cutoff being nearly 300 score higher than S1.
warm plinth
I'm very confused what your'e talking about
How does title cutoff and key drop at the start of the season correlate at all
daring marlin
Because keys people are doing are way higher in general than they were in S1, ergo the key should drop even more.
Huh?
warm plinth
Right because if you drop them 30 levels, obviously that means the cutoff can't be as high by the end of the season.
daring marlin
I think my point is pretty self explanatory and you're being contrarian for kicks.
warm plinth
I'm really not, and it's really not.
How high of a key you start with at the beginning of a season has literally no impact on the title cutoff.
pallid quiver
something something but you'll miss PUSH WEEK
warm plinth
So why would you drop them more just because of the level of keys people are doing
The point of key drops is to account for the change in difficulty between the current season's keys and the next season's keys. In Dragonflight, that number has been higher than in the past because we have also changed dungeon pools every season which adds a layer of difficulty early on in the season.
It has nothing to do with the title cutoff and it makes no sense to care about key drop in relation to cutoff
grim pilot
honestly imo they should just make some points (? idk how to express myself correctly in english) i.e. if your max key is <=20 then get 15 at the start, if its >20 then get 20 at the start
or something
but gotta keep people playing in post season somehow
warm plinth
lol
daring marlin
It has nothing to do with the title cutoff and it makes no sense to care about k...
I was using title cutoff as one example. Everywhere else is about 100-150 score higher across the board.
You're bored until tuesday. Got it.
warm plinth
So if key drop had been bigger going into S2, that would not be true?
jagged gust
But it makes no difference, make the keys -20, it just means you have to run another 3-4 dungeons to get your key back to where you were instead of -10
warm plinth
Right, like I don't understand the logic here
jagged gust
It's literally there to say "Hey, things are a little harder, here's a little handicap to help ya figure things out"
grim pilot
But it makes no difference, make the keys -20, it just means you have to run ano...
no that's overkill imo
it would be harder to get back considering you might get people that barely understand how wow works
warm plinth
Were S2 keys inflated? Yes, obviously. I don't disagree. I disagree with key drop having literally anything to do with it.
grim pilot
and sometimes you can't do whole dungeon alone
jagged gust
People in 20s dont know how things work
grim pilot
well yes
regardless
especially augs nowadays, I had a guy do <50% uptime in a key recently
keks
a 2800 guy
warm plinth
oof
grim pilot
my guy did my bdk's damage and I'm absolutely trash at it
warm plinth
I do more than 50% and my evoker is like 424 lol
grim pilot
I posted a log today in acherus and got pointed out a fuckton of things
warm plinth
I'm usually like 55-58%
jagged gust
You'd think so
warm plinth
It's no BM hunter, but it's pretty brain dead.
jagged gust
But then you get people with 40% uptime
warm plinth
as someone who has played both lol
grim pilot
whenever I'm not preoccupied by 5 people on discord shitting on my UI I can do 70% in most dungeons
jagged gust
Surv has been destroying the meters lately, fucking love hunters rn
warm plinth
Maybe you should have a better UI, ijs
grim pilot
been thinking to just scratch my ui
lusty grotto
but
grim pilot
this week
lusty grotto
i think just starting at 2 for everyone would be better
grim pilot
atrocity's seems okay but kinda cba paying for ui on a monthly basis
grim pilot
I'm subbing crit with my prime 
shit costs beans
I think I paid like $12 for it over a year ago
and forgot I even have it till I got a bill like 6 weeks ago that amazon took 12 dollars from me
grim pilot
yes
lusty grotto
wasnt it yearly?
jagged gust
Y'all don't just build your own ui? I love that shit
lusty grotto
or at least ive been paying mine yearly since it was conceived
warm plinth
I'm an ElvUI basic bitch for the most part.
lusty grotto
remember ive been playing since vanilla
jagged gust
Elvui is so strong, it's just intimidating and often confusing
grim pilot
keks
grim pilot
well I made my own ui
and let me tell you
it somehow works for me
but its fucking trash according to other people
I have 4 timers I dont even know what they are for
I have 3 timers for the same thing
I have threat bar on my aug
somewhere below the map
idk I didnt even know I had it till someone pointed it out
jagged gust
I tried using Nomer's WA, but it's missing a lot and I didn't feel like editing 90 different triggers
grim pilot
I just need someone's complete UI because I'm not gonna make a clean UI
lusty grotto
nome's wa isnt missing anything wtf
im so confused
the only edit i do to nome's WA is remove the healthstone thing since noawh already tracks it, and move the stance icon a bit to the left
jagged gust
Things like GCD display on several abilities, the absence of exe on the main rotation bars, proximity triggers for the range of an ability, QoL things like that
lusty grotto
execute is displayed on top of the rage bar
i... suppose gcd is kind of important
but for vets its not
cause you kind know
grim pilot
@warm plinth
jagged gust
yeah, but it doesn't work for me, I like having all my ducks in a row, I just created an exe line in the arms row but at a certain point I could just say I'll use an actionbar for this
lusty grotto
thats fine
warm plinth
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jesus
lusty grotto
my experience with auras including gcd displays is they bug the fuck out when lust drops
so i kinda stopped relying on them a long long long time ago
was that aug sleeping?
what the fuck lmao
grim pilot
(:
grim pilot
my guy didnt lust
when I was yelling to lust
5 times
on 1st pull
we lost a lust that way
that costed us a 2chest
warm plinth
I have a lust wa that puts in giant letters on my screen every time someone says lust/hero in chat
because I'm bad at remembering
pallid quiver
my experience with auras including gcd displays is they bug the fuck out when lu...
if i don't have GCD swipes, I feel like my buttons aren't working for no reason. I don't even rely on the GCD swipes or anything, since I'm just always mashing my next cast
grim pilot
yeah me playing sham/evo for the first time I was also forgetting
grim pilot
because I made both at the same time +/-
pallid quiver
I have a lust wa that puts in giant letters on my screen every time someone says...
It's a 50/50 as to whether I ignore them or not
grim pilot
esp because I never played lust classes
I forgot to lust today in a key keks but nobody reminded me somehow
in a 24
keks
warm plinth
what a noob
pallid quiver
because generally, I have times I wanna lust, fuck that guy, because they've never had a thought in their life
Keys are the hardest part sometimes, because people lose their shit over lust sometimes, especially if you send it on trash
jagged gust
Just hold lust for 30 seconds until everyone elses CDs drop then just lust and pop yours
Stay toxic.
lusty grotto
lol
people actually do not know when to lust
sending on bosses instead of trash in fort weeks
lusty grotto
sending on p1 of irideus for some fucking reason
the phase that does absolutely nothing
grim pilot
but on high keys even on tyra you'll lust 1st packs just to have that extra lust i.e.
pallid quiver
See, the ultimate thing is
As long as you get full usage of the entire duration of lust, that, bare minimum, is at least a decent use of lust in a key
sure, you could have gotten better
lusty grotto
yes
pallid quiver
But if the trash you're fighting lives the whole lust duration, it was worth imo
lusty grotto
thats the gist of it
pallid quiver
My condolences
lusty grotto
grim pilot
the main gist is if you "need" that lust for something that's hard and that's about to come very soon
lusty grotto
youre not playing vdh right then mooo
grim pilot
some heal check boss or some hard pack
pallid quiver
youre not playing vdh right then mooo
I think he means the lack of keybinds in comparison to other classes. I have like, 2/3 of the base keybinds when I mess with VDH compared to War. It gets closer when I start counting macros for sigils
lusty grotto
nah vdh is comparable to prot
sigils
2 stuns
fiery brand/fel spikes/ spirit bomb/ fel cleave/ soul carver / felblade
infernal strike
throw glaive
meta
fracture
etc
WCL casts for 10.1 vdh isnt really the same as 10.2
because you dont have half of those
pre patch
s2, etc
sigils being a big thing that changed
you didnt even run felblade
pallid quiver
Prot War's got 26 buttons to bind, DH currently 22, before counting any macros. Of just raw buttons that you can keybind.
25 for prot war if you don't bind hamstring like a lunatic
pallid quiver
the one i hijacked from fel hammer
i don't think about dh
The M+ one in there
23 for DH if you count Glide, tho
lusty grotto
i mean it really does matter
because keys you play stops and stop sigils
and soul carver talented can vary
well the point is with vdh you gotta keep sigils rolling
cause 20% parry due to illuminated
and fiery brand is your big defensive
and gotta roll fel spikes as well
pallid quiver
but don't spikes while meta, that's normally overkill
strong forum
Vdh has to juggle 4 different mitigations
lusty grotto
the play style is kinda different from 10.1 cause you had the fracture brand proc
yeah
strong forum
Fel dev/meta
Illuminated sigils parry
Demon Spikes
Fiery Brand
You gotta find a balance between those
lusty grotto
ya
lusty grotto
i like the playstyle, but it'll always be 2nd to my warrior
pallid quiver
I think idea wise it's kinda neat,
but not enough to get me over the flavor of the class and how bad the abilities feel to use sound effects/animation/presentation wise to me
lusty grotto
yeah im just hard capping it at vault keys
harsh flame
Doing a 28 HoI as a tank with scuffed frost shock timers does something to a man. How do you guys do this shit as tanks without losing your mind
lusty grotto
fuck meta
i mean
who cares, just play spell block
so what you missed a reflect
its nbd
you shouldnt be dying to khajin as a tank
lmao
your entire group dies
pallid quiver
we'll pretty much have spell block for everything next season, so nice to be prepared i guess
... 24 binds for war if you don't have spell block and don't bind hamstring like a lunatic
jagged gust
Just hotkey all your abilities together, last stand? That's a macro. Spell Block? That's a macro. SR? You better believe that's a macro'ing.
33% uptime and no hassle
pallid quiver
man, i kinda want to do something in wow
strong forum
Doing a 28 HoI as a tank with scuffed frost shock timers does something to a man...
Tbf, a 28 is like a 30 rn
Cuz key scaling
lusty grotto
@warm plinth
strong forum
I'm kinda surprised wowhead hasn't made an article about that
Seems like easy clicks
lusty grotto
ghash couldnt find differences in health pools in logs nome
between this week and last
glad geyser
Ready for raid!
lusty grotto
🤷
strong forum
actually
opaque quest
But we timed cause BDK op kek
strong forum
now looking at logs
dense barn
I’m so hyped for prot next tier
strong forum
seems like the scaling isnt in
but the key multiplier displayed is already on the next scaling
dense barn
Really excited for the tierset
dense barn
Who in here tested it on ptr?
strong forum
i did
dense barn
How’d you like it?
strong forum
doesnt feel any different to live
pallid quiver
but more clappy
strong forum
plays the same, you just pay a bit more attention to the tierset proc being up
and press IP more consciously to proc tierset
strong forum
you get the proc like 15-20 times a minute
toxic pewter
feel like blizzard should of noted that IP just procs the new tier set so much more than other abilities. Worried people wont catch on that is how it works
strong forum
it doesnt feel like anything
you just do like 40-60k extra dmg on like 75% of your shield slams
dense barn
Value
strong forum
sometimes when you have avatar + TR + demo shout up you do 230k extra dmg with a crit
but it doesnt feel like anything
its just an extra number popping up
dense barn
So it feels good got it heh
strong forum
at first its very fun for the first few hours
to see the proc pop up
but you get used to it real quick
and then it plays exactly like s2
but instead of Last Stand you just send TR more often
pallid quiver
it's still a very funny concept to just punch out all of someone's blood, though
pallid quiver
Not gonna lie, don't have that quite on hand, but that's a good idea
that's why nome's an orange name
untold raven
Theory crafter rank
lusty grotto
lol
my mage
i swear every single character has gotten dupe items
unique equipped rings too!
queen reef
so next season i'm going to be in a situation where i'll likely be playing prot and fury pretty regularily in M+ at decent levels (like 25ish) -- how detrimental do you all think a high mastery focus would be for prot? Still think it'll likely be haste first, but probably mastery as second for fury, and I know mastery isn't necessarily a great stat for prot, mainly worried about defense, willing to take a slight hit on prot dps if thats all that is affected
pallid quiver
It's not a particularly great defensive stat, but it's not bad, either; the most important thing is a high ilvl shield and having gear at all, since most survival comes from play (rage gen/spending, rotating defensives, having proper stops)
grim pilot
From what I heard all stats provide similar defensive value but they differ offensively
@strong forum can confirm or deny
queen reef
thats what i was hoping to hear
grim pilot
I mean generally stats dont matter much, up until 25 just pressing your cds, spamming ip and keeping shield block up should suffice
strong forum
stats dont matter enough to make a difference defensively
the best measurable difference stats provide is offensively
the defensive side of things is marginal at best
queen reef
thats exactly what i was hoping, thanks
i played paladin last season and gearing for ret (haste/vers) made prot pretty squishy, I think mastery is a huge chunk of their mitigation lol, so just wanted to check
strong forum
wouldnt call it huge, they are in a similar boat
or well, most tanks are
aside from monk, every tank is happy with every stat
its just paladin has proper benefits from mastery, as mastery for them is just more efficient vers
queen reef
right
grim pilot
aside from monk, every tank is happy with every stat
Wait whats wrong with monk
strong forum
they hate haste
grim pilot
Them not liking haste or something else
Ah
Ye I found that out from PI charcters
Gaining like 400 dps from PI
strong forum
cuz energy classes get fucked cuz lmao GCD set at 1sec and doesnt reduce with haste
grim pilot
Keks
strong forum
iirc the only thing haste does for energy classes is how fast energy recovers
dont even know if they have hasted abilities
grim pilot
cuz energy classes get fucked cuz lmao GCD set at 1sec and doesnt reduce with ha...
Had no idea it works that way
Keks
lusty grotto
hastened abilities and cds just dont really matter if they depend on energy regen
oh wow you have an ability you can use, but no energy
strong forum
Had no idea it works that way
now you know why monk wants 0 haste
it straight up doesnt do anything
and also why rogues are crit/vers most of the time
grim pilot
Yeah…
Speaking of rogue
Gonna be best PI target next season
Well, assa
That or unholy
lusty grotto
thats because of the rework
grim pilot
Yeah
lusty grotto
they scale better with haste now
strong forum
pwar better PI target than half of DPS specs
grim pilot
Also prot feels like it went up a bit compared to other specs? Idk.
strong forum
strong forum
ye tierset made us scale with every stat but mastery just a bit more
cuz now more rage doesnt just mean more CDs
but also more tierset procs
atleast i would think so
grim pilot
Its a shame we have assa, x2 bm and dev in our roster, and only like 1 priest
strong forum
6% aura and 10% MS and.... another button
strong forum
Its a shame we have assa, x2 bm and dev in our roster, and only like 1 priest
you should compare execute sims
for late in the fight PI targets
cuz this is just overall, but ideally you swap PI target based on CD timings/execute
grim pilot
Ideally yeah but
I doubt that will happen anyway
I didnt get any PI on echo
When I was omega blasting the boss in p3
strong forum
cuz like
the r1 assa parse on echo, did 186k dps in p3
r1 arms did 213k dps
and the arms did not get PI
but the assa did
grim pilot
I did more than r1 assa in p3
Myself
And I sim 136 and are not even close to r1 gamer
And im p sure ive seen 225 p3 natty
strong forum
idk i just checked like 3 parses, could be
violet flume
wait, thunderlord is the play now for s3? i always thought it was agreed as a meme talent
grim pilot
Its a play in s2 too if you want more def value
violet flume
did it get buffed? i missed that change i guess
grim pilot
Idk how it was before but they changed it I think somewhere at the start of 10.1(?)
strong forum
i got buffed in s2 yes
and now with s3 its a dps increase even over sof
you just always play it in m+
or rather, there is basically no dps difference between the 2 in s3, but TL obv grants more benefits than a dmg buff on tc/revenge
violet flume
yeah
i shall comply with the guide overlords then
more frequent demo shout sounds great anyway
grim pilot
So it gains value purely because of the fact you have constant SS bleed therefore you just deal massive dam 24/7 instead of in cds?
Is that the only reason
strong forum
you get TC resets from 4pc
violet flume
oh i see i never took a decent look at tier bonus outside of bleed consume
strong forum
and more TRs
violet flume
so way more thunerclaps
grim pilot
Ah word
strong forum
and thus more overlaps of demo + TR
violet flume
i can see how sof dies out
grim pilot
I legit forgot at this point what tier set does exactly
graceful leaf
Should we save the whelpling crests or spend them on 447 upgrades to replace some worse off pieces?
violet flume
just raw SS > clap i bet
strong forum
whelpling and drake crests you can freely send
they will not matter if you can farm 11 or higher keys
whelpling and drake crests are only used for LFR and Normal raid ilvl pieces, so if you do content higher than that, you will not need those crests for your items
graceful leaf
Ok awesome, I'm 443 I was gonna make some extra stuff then I wanna try and get as much as possible we were gonna to get right into 16's atleast or try I don't know how crazy it's gonna be scalewise.
strong forum
nobody really knows
cuz PTR didnt use s3 values
we expect them to be in line, but we'll see xd
graceful leaf
Yeah we were doing 20 somethings but like you said it was scaled to the 447
opaque quest
Im just hoping raid is piss easy so i can get curve on day 1 then cancel my sub
Cause fuck me i dont wanna play
opaque quest
lusty grotto
well their philosophy going into df was that they wanted the raids to not be as mechanically intensive as SL's
lusty grotto
yeah they have met their goals
opaque quest
I mean sludge was easy
pallid quiver
both raids have been lmao tier mechanics
it's pain pugging as a result of this
strong forum
ive only had kinda good experiences pugging raid this xpac
only problem was dathea
cuz people couldnt wrap their head around knockbacks
opaque quest
it's pain pugging as a result of this
Boost costing 15k as a result ruins pugs
pallid quiver
Dathea was a major problem, I never even tried Raz, uh,
i had aggro "issues" with Terror... uh, earth elemental guy thing with the quandrant slaps because other tanks couldn't hold aggro,
opaque quest
Dathea in pugs omfg
pallid quiver
And almost every boss I've tried at some point since coming back, I've seen a pug wipe to in Aberrus
i'm gonna blame it on coming back late in season
opaque quest
Magmorax seems like the only unwipeable boss
lusty grotto
dathea was a fun fight though
pallid quiver
It's pain being literally the last person alive several times
opaque quest
But Magmorax is a training dummy
strong forum
dathea wasnt rly fun imo
opaque quest
Dathea fkn sucked
pallid quiver
Dathea was funny
strong forum
you get your charge patterns down and then you just wait for people to wrap their head around platforms
hardy snow
I liked Dathea, but only after dps learned to fkin listen RL 
opaque quest
I played Rsham on most dathea fights and not being able to heal while moving was shit
pallid quiver
Fight wasn't the most fun, but it was funny for sure
strong forum
dont you have spiritwalker for every 2nd cyclone
opaque quest
^
opaque quest
Not enough with pugs where other heals do 15k hps
strong forum
ig
pallid quiver
sark is not funny watching people just rando dispell duress or just never grabbing bombs ever
strong forum
i did that fight on prevoker and it kinda just worked
pallid quiver
or watching tanks just cleave the entire raid in p3
opaque quest
On Sark i just pre emptively take a bomb myself
Cause otherwise nobody does it
Even as heal
strong forum
only did sark a handful of times cuz lmao shit loot
strong forum
not like you want it anyway
pallid quiver
I only ever got a Sark kill on my main in LFR
I got kills on multiple other chars, but it feels bad
opaque quest
Well i dont wanna wear it but i want one
tender grotto
anyone knows if we replace 4set with a +20 ilvl upgrade on 2 slots?
hollow minnow
anyone knows if we replace 4set with a +20 ilvl upgrade on 2 slots?
Probably yeah. The current 4 set is not that good and the ilvl jump is huge
sick sentinel
asmon, the other day said, esseentially, out of context a little bit "don't play wow with ppl with a reference to 90's in thier name, they are old and slow"
and everytime i see video about dues ex, i think back to some times in DF or SL, there was some DK in my group, jcdenton or somethin his name was, and maybe it was me i dont remember, but point is we failed that key for some reason, so maybe he is correct about this one too.
i always feel badly that the key i did with that person didnt go well
blazing condor
makes sense - just look at RWF where everyone is around 15
wind oak
sick sentinel
its sort of like a melancholy lost attempt at some friend who might have been really cool
and i had thought this guy has a cool name about something i played in the past and i figured i'd try to add him after we did the key
you only get one chance at a first introduction to something after all
hardy snow
anyone knows if we replace 4set with a +20 ilvl upgrade on 2 slots?
you can swap to new 2set as soon as you get it, no matter its ilvl, but swaping from 2x2p to new 4p depends on what content you do, in M+ I guess its asap as well, but in raid you can sim yourself, it will be better around ~470 pieces (so upgraded normal or direct drop from hc)
craggy pilot
is there any resource other than simming that can show the difference in Embelish DPS?
sick sentinel
hard to tell which of those is really good or not
the counter attack one, on a bdk, with the legendary axe, im not sure what the axe effect is or how counter attacks work, but that seems like it might be busted
hardy snow
is there any resource other than simming that can show the difference in Embelis...
you can test items on training dummy in valdraken
dull sleet
Would you directly sweat and wait for the fyrrak weapon to drop or craft a weapon if only having questweapons from emerald dream?
silent vessel
craft embellish first
dull sleet
So bracers? Im always too cautious with my crafting sparks and end up using them way to late, that's why I'm asking
silent vessel
yea
dull sleet
Ty ❤️
sacred flare
Are talents the same in in S3
sacred flare
couldnt find any talents in pin
blazing condor
couldnt find any talents in pin
pallid quiver
They'll be the same Bolster set until you get T31, though, assuming you have T30
atomic inlet
hey guys how can i play the new dungens on ptr?
it gives me some other dungen keys now
jagged pier
dont think so
sick sentinel
gunna be lots of ripbozo tomorow i think
tuesday i mean
i think most keys will be fine tbh
ebon geyser
doti second part is gonna be bs
dull sleet
Does someone know if next week we can still use S2 catalyst for 10.2 quest items? I have an alt that I planned on gearing next week but if it doesn't work then I'd need to find some time till Wednesday lol
strong forum
should be able to yes
sick sentinel
doti final boss will be BS for protection warrior due to the constant breath
but yeah
blazing condor
You can range it
sick sentinel
will we have leap for all of them or what is the plan then
craggy pilot
anyone know how Augvoker works in solo content? if it even does at all