protection

[lusty grotto]

then yes, true

[strong forum]

free 2-3% dmg gain i guess

in WCM and BRH

[lusty grotto]

why is this dumbass world quest still bugged smh my head

[median tulip]

the one with the really slow respawn rate of mobs that you have to get a killing blow on?

[lusty grotto]

no

dryad fire drill

[median tulip]

Oh that one, yeah it's just bugged

both of the most recent 2 are bugged to fuck

[lusty grotto]

btw was it you that was talking about spores the other day?

[strong forum]

updated FAQ again

[median tulip]

spores?

[strong forum]

regarding spellblock

[lusty grotto]

yeah for dracothysts

idk if it was you or someone else

anyway, there are zaralek spore nodes in emerald dream

they are just a lot fewer than in zaralek

[median tulip]

I might have mentioned that I had a couple of hundred in the bank

[toxic pewter]

yeah bugged for me also

[lusty grotto]

its bugged for everyone since the patch hit

im just surprised blizzard hasnt fixed it considering how fast they got into seed's shit

[toxic pewter]

those trinket nerfs did a conversation happen about that yet i can read

[lusty grotto]

yeah

nome updated faq to take it into account

[sick sentinel]

anybody know what im supposed to do on this one, i could wowhead, but i've decided to be social

[lusty grotto]

you need to get the ashenvane stone

[sick sentinel]

i mean, lazy,

[lusty grotto]

mark of ashenvane its called

you click it and then you go back to that

[sick sentinel]

almost hard if you dont have a movement speed thingy

[dusky canopy]

apparently not a cool kid

SMH

[lusty grotto]

dont worry brew, its totally fake anyway

as all the leaks of anything really

[toxic pewter]

my god dh so annoying in this patch i tell ya what

[lusty grotto]

sometimes i wonder

if im playing the same game as you apb

well i suppose if you mean other players, then you might be right

[toxic pewter]

oh sorry yeah im doing world pvp

[lusty grotto]

ah

[toxic pewter]

and dh just super strong

if i say so

[lusty grotto]

well you are probably right

the rule of thumb when fighting dhs

[toxic pewter]

world pvp in emerald dream actually a lot of fun

[lusty grotto]

is you gotta burst them in a stun

also hamstring can fuck them if they have retreat on cd

[toxic pewter]

ya they get so much leach during meta one came back from likr 5% health

and was able to kill me

[lusty grotto]

and kicking their eye beam locks the rest of their shit out

[toxic pewter]

granted a boomkin was also fighting us

[dusky canopy]

Wow pvp

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-hahaha-chuckle-gif-25068862

[toxic pewter]

just had to kill a fellow Vulpera..

I even told him, wait, no us Vulpera stand together strong

but he still try kill me

[lusty grotto]

[toxic pewter]

how can we overcome Vulperism if we kill eachtoher even

[lusty tiger]

Ez, delete all the furries

[toxic pewter]

[lusty tiger]

lol jk

[dusky canopy]

Kink shaming

SMH

[dusty ruin]

LMAO

[toxic pewter]

I am not a furry though

[dusky canopy]

[toxic pewter]

just cuz I like play Vulpera does not mean I am into that

that would be like saying if you play a dwarf you into little people

[dusky canopy]

BRO

[toxic pewter]

not that there is anything wrong with that

[dusky canopy]

Size shaming

SMH

[toxic pewter]

??

that is the same logic used with Vulpera

[dusky canopy]

🤏

[toxic pewter]

I am on the front lines fighting against Vulperism

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

@toxic pewter I Kidd I Kidd

No hate

[toxic pewter]

Can I count on you to be an ally

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-fantasy-dwarf-grudge-simpsons-gif-20525681

[dusky canopy]

Bro is that a paddle for dwarves in high school

Like in dazed and confused?

[plush tendon]

Dwarves in Warhammer have something called a Book of Grudges

any insult must be paid in blood

[toxic pewter]

i never insulted dwarves I was just using the same logic used against my people as an argument

[plush tendon]

I got no problem with people playing Vulpera... its just not my cup of tea

granted, im super vanilla and like Humans, Dwarves and Elves

dont really like the monster races

[toxic pewter]

I am working hard to disconnect this vulpera=furry argument in real time

it has gone on for far too long, this libel

[plush tendon]

I mean.... the similarities are quite... visible

[toxic pewter]

?

[dusky canopy]

Can you work to make shield and weapon model sizes 3x larger for all race models?

[blazing condor]

the bulwarker of azzinoth

[sick sentinel]

wtb 48 gb 4090

pst with price

[blazing condor]

/ignore

[lusty grotto]

its ok apb, i like that you play vulpera

also at some point pika also played vulpera

cause the DR on 1st hit is pretty great

so its probably the best horde race racial wise

[toxic pewter]

thank you for standing up against Vulperaphobia

[dusky canopy]

Troll owns

[torn gulch]

We'll get into some large numbers next expansion, but there's no planned stat squish in TWW - there will almost certainly one in 12.0 / Midnight, though they've gotten pretty good at them now.
@strong forum The slide I showed you yesterday was as real as it gets so be prepared to see argus numbers again

[lusty tiger]

What slide?

[torn gulch]

https://youre.outof.games/media/uploads/bc/db/bcdbd7ae-fff1-41d1-80c2-c4d08b3bcf95/wowdd_warbounduntilequipped.jpg

this one

[hollow minnow]

Is unstable Frostfire Belt still BiS Embellishment after the Nerf?

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160

read the embelishments section

under prot

[hollow minnow]

Oh i must have overlooked that ! Thanks

[dusky canopy]

I heard spore cloak and blue silk linen is the play

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[dusky canopy]

They are making the big tree event harder??

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

Master Sense!

i bet he already put it up

lmaoo

wait no its not there

infinite bolt is

Master @shut summit new reflect, its a dot too

btw what have you guys been doing to get drake crests on alts? just seeds?

[toxic pewter]

yeah seeds basically

[lusty grotto]

ugh

isnt there any other way to get drakes

[toxic pewter]

also did some of the new brawl bg

i think they reward some iirc

its pretty fun 8v8 battlegrounds

with faster mount speed

[lusty grotto]

yeah im pretty much retired from pvp

even more so on alts

[lusty tiger]

Brawl is hardly PvP

[toxic pewter]

seeds and also those nuts scattered around as treasures

[lusty grotto]

wdym

brawl is solo queue rated bg

so yes it is pvp

or wasnt it?

wasnt that coming up?

oh

im confused

[toxic pewter]

yah that is correct its the new rated bg

[lusty grotto]

it cant be if it doesnt have rating

rated stuff comes out on tuesday

[toxic pewter]

yeah it is sort of a test or something

ya

[lusty grotto]

oh a test hmm

[toxic pewter]

there is mmr involved but no rating yet

i guess coming on tuesday maybe yea

[lusty tiger]

Brawl before was the fun weekend battleground events that were made to be meme-like

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know what they are

[toxic pewter]

i mean yeah its not as competitive as pre mades I guess, but its still fun sorta

[lusty grotto]

it makes sense since solo q was added as a brawl in SL s4

or am i misremembering

[lusty tiger]

Brawls aren’t soloq

Solo shuffle is

[lusty grotto]

youre misunderstanding

[lusty tiger]

I am

[lusty grotto]

they added solo shuffle as a brawl test in SL

in S4

so this brawl, like apb says, is the test for solo rbg

[lusty tiger]

I c

[lusty grotto]

which means they will probably put it up on TWW

[lusty tiger]

This weeks’s brawl is rbg soloq

[lusty grotto]

yea

[lusty tiger]

Kk

[lusty grotto]

well theres 2 running

[lusty tiger]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/the-emerald-dream-is-a-dissapointment/1706832

AND (((:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/102-2-hours-questing/1707347

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

well done jeree

doing your job as always

[lusty tiger]

: D

[ebon geyser]

anyone watching andy or dorki or naowh tank talk

[lusty grotto]

oh

thank you for the reminder, i completely forgot

[ebon geyser]

the way andy shitted on druid

oof

[lusty tiger]

Someone mentioned they generate 60% less rage I heard?

[toxic pewter]

yeah they really phoned it in here in the emerald dream, i cannot deny it

[sick sentinel]

meh..................

[toxic pewter]

even as an avid anti-zeralak cavern individual I entered Emerald Dream with an open mind

[sick sentinel]

its been out a day or 2

and people ITS DEAD

just like 2004 wow , 20 years later still dead game

yeah, thats why i see a bunch of players in the world when i log in

cuz the game is dead

[toxic pewter]

the graveyard bloody token farm is fun though, dragon charging through a 100 dudes

[lusty grotto]

zaralek was kind of meh

emerald dream is decent

ZC just pasted like 30 rares, and put a dumb group event in it that you cant actually do unless if you have a group

it kinda missed the point

im glad they corrected all that shit with this one

theres like what 5 rares?

the group events are fine

[maiden ravine]

warrior buff! 😛 Coalesced Moment's Tainted Sands cast time is now instant (was 1 second) but can now be Spell Reflected.

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[toxic pewter]

that aint no buff

[lusty grotto]

it is

kind of

[toxic pewter]

if its a spell it is a spell, it should be able to be reflected and blocked, full stop.

that is my hot take of the day

[lusty grotto]

well it is

[toxic pewter]

i dont even care if it is targeted

yeah so its more of a fix than a buff

they gotta fix a lot more than just that too

[lusty grotto]

why not both

[young rivet]

wowhead doesn't have embellishments updated, is it frost-fire belt and a shadowflame or double shadowflame patches?

[lusty grotto]

#268491842637660160 message

[maiden ravine]

I think dream is better than Zaralek. Zaralek was just particularly poorly designed for low population shards

[lusty grotto]

yea

thats basically it

[maiden ravine]

At least you don't need to be perfect on superbloom to still get your 441+ loot

[young rivet]

thanks, i'm assuming its just a typo that it says 10.2 still?

[maiden ravine]

8000 is just a seed and some dew

[lusty grotto]

wdym

we're in 10.2

10.3 doesnt exist

lol

[maiden ravine]

But a 10.2.9 will!

[lusty grotto]

true

[young rivet]

my brain thinking season3 = 10.3 im dumb ignore

[lusty grotto]

[maiden ravine]

Look, this is the rage class, not the brain class, you're fine

[thin silo]

Withering Dreams is the healing pot of choice, right? Or is the dot too onerous to make it worth using over Dreamwalker's?

[lusty grotto]

the one with the HoT

[sick sentinel]

im gunna stick with the default healing only potion i think

u8nless its somhow dps

[lusty grotto]

idk what the fuck withering dreams is

[sick sentinel]

sounds like combat potion

[lusty grotto]

uhhh yea that one def aint it

its dreamwalker yea

[sick sentinel]

i have to get some new potions but whatever

[lusty grotto]

honestly its gonna be refreshing

for a bit

[sick sentinel]

i guess i can sell some of the old ones i have someone will buy them

[lusty grotto]

cause dreamwalker's needs a SHITTON of mats

and they will me absolutely giga expensive

[thin silo]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=207041/potion-of-withering-dreams
Vs
https://www.wowhead.com/item=207023/dreamwalkers-healing-potion

[lusty grotto]

yes

i already saw

see my replies

[thin silo]

Linking for informative purposes
Presumably you're not the only one who didn't know the difference offhand

[lusty grotto]

whithering vitality was already not being used

and thats the base pot

both dreamwalkers and dreams need a fuckton of mats

because it needs 5x base pots

refreshing is cheap enough

dont need a stagger like mechanic on it

jesus fuck i cant believe we're theorycrafting pots

this is a better discussion for some goblin discords on how to capitalize the market

pot min maxing isnt really something we do

simple is better

cheaper is better

thats it

[thin silo]

Honestly I'll probably continue to use them so rarely as to forget they exist
But our Alchemist asked about them, and since my co-tank does zero research of his own I figured I'd check for an established consensus

[lusty grotto]

maybe if youre an alchemist, there's more pop to withering dreams, idk

[cinder nova]

Do these share potion CD with healing pots or battle pots

[lusty grotto]

withering shares with refreshing and the standard healing pot

same with dreamwalkers

[cinder nova]

Doesn't dreamwalkers have a bigger initial heal and now a hot too?

[lusty grotto]

yea

but listen this is similar to previous expansions

new healing pot comes out, its substantially more expensive to craft, translates to AH price

people end up not using them at all

[toxic pewter]

yeah no idea why they made the mats so expensive tbh

[lusty grotto]

at least until they become cheaper

they arent super expensive to craft

but compared to bases they are a bit higher

5 refreshing, 5 mana pots a couple of rousings

5 withering and rousing decay for withering

[toxic pewter]

i mean they like 5 times more expensive to make

[lusty grotto]

10 times for the dreamweaver one

kind of 10 times for the withering one cause 5 withering base and some rousing decay which isnt really cheap

well its just 1 rousing decay but still

base withering uses one awakened decay so

each withering is 5x awakened 1x rousing decays

[teal swift]

What are the hp pot options, cost is meh, most of us came from a time of 5k flasks Lul

[toxic pewter]

that bugged world quest is fixed now

[lusty grotto]

cool

yup

just tried it, def fixed

[potent sparrow]

is raidbots updated or should I wait a bit to run sims?

[lusty grotto]

it should be updated

make sure latest version of simc is selected

[potent sparrow]

I think that was the issue, it was spitting out some weird numbers lol

thank you

[chrome garnet]

Did they change the behaviour of stances? i swear the stance keybind used to be replaced with the opposite stance before, now it just does nothing and it's kinda annoying

[lusty grotto]

no

it never did (in this expansion)

that was a macro

unless if you mean from vanilla

then thats a yes

[grand veldt]

If you guys get adventurer tier gear from this patch, you can upgrade it to the old tier but with 450 ilvl with the catalyst, no longer has a currency for old tier transmute

Or 451

Theoretically you could farm a full avoidance or leech set, just really get the max benefit of your tier gear till you get your 2pc

Also idk if anyone knows or not, but my forge storm is proccing off all my abilities, even charge, I can't remember if it did that before this patch

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i got a vet weapon so i removed the forgestorm, i was only using it on ST

but

charge should proc it

well

the AA right after it

[grand veldt]

No I'm like

Charging, and before I reach

[lusty grotto]

hmm... i cant really recall

[grand veldt]

The explosion animation has gone off before I hit anything

[lusty grotto]

i can check logs

[grand veldt]

I'm noticing it now because I'm killing shit before I reach it but I feel like I would have noticed this before

[lusty grotto]

rend ticks used to proc it

AAs too

lingering frostspark from belt too

hmm kinda hard to see in raid, since youre charging less than in keys

and i didnt use it in keys

cause it simmed lower than

ive been charging in world with it and so far nothing

ok there it is

charge hits for 5 physical

so it should proc it

actually

it hits for far more, im just overkilling lmao

[urban portal]

It should all proc it

[lusty grotto]

yeah this doesnt seem like something new

[urban portal]

It just doesn’t proc more the more buttons you press

[lusty grotto]

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know if battle-scarred veteran changed how it works behind the scenes 10.2 or basically still the same

[lusty grotto]

still the same

[toxic pewter]

Damn

[sick sentinel]

demon crushing aint easy

[opaque quest]

I played evil withing classic a few days ago

You get 3 or so saves for a 15 hour campaign

Pain

I think dead spaces zealot mode is the same

[waxen orbit]

Did I just fuck up[

using 45 drake crests

to upgrade a weapon to 463?

Like will this bite me in the ass?

[lusty grotto]

nah

[waxen orbit]

kk

[lusty grotto]

anything you upgrade with drakes

remember you have a discount

on that specific slot

drakes are also 10-15 in keys

im not saying keys will be giga easy for everyone

but that's on the low end

[waxen orbit]

That's easy for me

[lusty grotto]

in the long run

[opaque quest]

Wish me luck. Gonna start my campaign now

3 days late but rather late than never

Is the first spark part from the worthy ally again?

[lusty grotto]

yea

you get it relatively fast

probably faster than in zaralek

[opaque quest]

Aight ty

Do i get crests from the seeds now? Or still M+

[lusty grotto]

seeds

so far

bgs and brawls apparently also? but unsure

[opaque quest]

Gotcha

[keen leaf]

Stupid question, execute spell flashes the entire time right? not just on a proc

[opaque quest]

Bug. Should only flash when procc or 20%

So i plant the seed then go afk for 3 minutes? Stupid

M+ will award crests. When you hover over one it says that

[teal swift]

I plant seed do other shit

Come back later

So I just plant a bunch of shit while I'm in queue

[inland raft]

So how impactful is it to play this week?

[lusty grotto]

are you specced into sudden death???

that's an ST spec, fyi

SD isnt used in keys

[opaque quest]

Will the plant still lay there later?

[lusty grotto]

oh, you guys answered him well enough im silly

[teal swift]

Yes

[opaque quest]

Silly goober

[lusty grotto]

either way if its perma flashed, its a bug when swapping specs

but it has been a while since ive seen anyone talking about it, so i assumed it was fixed

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-eyes-meme-angry-gif-18188187

./reload usually fixed the flashing so its not a prob honestly

Last question. If i finish campaign and do worthy ally im done for the week?

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably

well

do superbloom and

the two tradeskill quests

and do 5 seeds quest

i think those are all the important ones

and sparks if you feel like wpvping

[opaque quest]

Thats for professions?

[lusty grotto]

you can buy the mats

[opaque quest]

I only have enchanting for crests

[lusty grotto]

i think you can use those

[opaque quest]

But aight will do. On the artisan market?

[lusty grotto]

its a really simple quest

you use excess mats

and create a box

for quest 1

then 5 boxes for quest 2

there's different categories for mats

enchanting mats is one im pretty sure

[opaque quest]

Gotcha will do

[lusty grotto]

oh also

lady moonberry (sp?) has the other half of the spark

on her quest

[opaque quest]

Where the hell is the quest giver for the superbloom

The dryad

[lusty grotto]

so superbloom, get the 5 seeds quest by doing some pre-reqs in the isle north of eye of ysera, spark->spark, sparks wpvp, campaign, tradeskills x2, thats about it

she walks with the tree

follow the horn

[opaque quest]

Chad thanks again ❤️

[lusty grotto]

you should be able to get 3 veteran pieces that way

with those

at least most of my toons have 3 pieces

vet maxes at 463 ilvl, but will take a few drakes, you will probably not be able to upgrade them all since cap

[opaque quest]

I guess the dryad is phased or smth. Cant find her anywhere

Unless i get a 463 wep i dont really care i guess

Gloves fuck me

[lusty grotto]

well i got 2 cloaks and a shoulder

on main 🙂

[opaque quest]

Cloak too yikes

Bis stats tho not gonna complain

[blazing condor]

Got two cloak

[lusty grotto]

i got these 2

so not vendoring cause decent stats on both

[daring marlin]

@lusty grotto

Chipadin rising

like the phoenix

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[opaque quest]

Haste crit at least

[toxic pewter]

Why they buff brewmaster damage did they lose a lot of damage with this new tier set or what

[opaque quest]

Lets gooo 463 weapon

[dense barn]

soooooo bracers and cloak crafts eh?

[opaque quest]

Embellish ye

[dense barn]

its like totally cool if i have a shield with embellish right

[opaque quest]

For first week ye

But shield is the first thing you should upgrade

[dense barn]

yeah i already have embellish on shield so might as well craft cloak then upg the shield

[hidden wave]

did scaling of the dungeons change this week? higher keys feel...more difficult 🤔

[opaque quest]

10% is back

[sand drum]

not that I felt

[opaque quest]

Instead of 8

[opaque quest]

Only for 20+

[hidden wave]

so keys over 20s are more difficult?

[sand drum]

did 21 FH and did not feel it

[opaque quest]

2% wont make a difference lol

[sand drum]

true

[opaque quest]

How the hell do i get whelpling crests

Just planted a green seed and got drake again

[jagged gust]

I got 2 1h'ers in fury spec

[opaque quest]

Sadge

My wep will prolly stay 447 since i wont farm rares for whelps. Ill finish campaign then go off till wednesday

[jagged gust]

It's drakes after 447

or maybe thats 450, one of the two

[lusty grotto]

[opaque quest]

Ye 450. Says i need 30 whelps i think

I got 1

[lusty grotto]

that pineapple amirdrassil mini game is actually great

[jagged gust]

I did the alt farm thing, so all my toons are just fucking swimming in crests rn with nothing to spend them on

stupid wow minigame? I'm down

[lusty grotto]

yeah its on wowhead

why are you swimming in crests though, you should have the vet loot from superbloom and professions hand in

i cant remember what the 3rd piece drops from

[opaque quest]

1 is sparks

1 is 5 seeds

1 is 1500 rep

[lusty grotto]

ah there you go

[opaque quest]

No idea how he is swimming in sparks tho

[lusty grotto]

spamming seeds

probably

[opaque quest]

Fair enough

[lusty grotto]

seeds arent actually dropping crests for me anymore on this toon

[jagged gust]

No its a weekly max of 90?

[opaque quest]

When i got drake full do i get whelps?

From seeds i mean

[lusty grotto]

im at 71/90

[opaque quest]

27/90

Only did 5 seeds tho

[lusty grotto]

each character has their own cap

[jagged gust]

huh, well they should be, once you cap out on drakes the seeds start handing you whelps like intended

[lusty grotto]

ya rooach

[opaque quest]

Time to get my roommate to do it

[lusty grotto]

jesus you no-lifed seeds

well im not getting drakes anymore at 71 so

🤷

[jagged gust]

Nah, everyone was spamming seeds so you can tag like 5-10 in a 3 minute rotation

[opaque quest]

Do i just put in 1 dew then head off?

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter if they dont drop drakes after a certain point

yes

[opaque quest]

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to seed them anymore

fresh round of nerfs

i saw what Guilford posted

[opaque quest]

The real question is how do we afk superbloom

Thats the real endgame

[lusty grotto]

you gotta look for a central spot

and just sit there

it might be hard

cause he doesnt go around in a circle

[sand pebble]

Can we /follow the tree

[opaque quest]

Blizz not encouraging me to afk new events

[lusty grotto]

they actually thought this one through, learned from hunts probably

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/outrageous-egregious-preposterous-jackie-chiles-seinfeld-kramer-amazing-gif-10683223

Learned from time rift pillars

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[opaque quest]

Lets go aspect crest recipe

[lusty grotto]

my pally didnt get it

its from the north rare right?

whatever her name is

[opaque quest]

Got it from superbloom final boss

[lusty grotto]

ah

[opaque quest]

Time to make 50g per craft

[lusty grotto]

apparently it drops from just about everything

[opaque quest]

Good i guess. I wont pay 5k for ppl to craft it

Idc if i only get 50g as long as i can make someone happy

[toxic pewter]

pretty sure he ends up at the same spot each time can just stay there

[lusty grotto]

yeah he does but you miss on the other baggies, idk if they drop anything worthwhile

[opaque quest]

So i just added 1 dew to some seeds but i dont see anything on the map :/

[lusty grotto]

you gotta remember where they were

[opaque quest]

Fuck my life

[lusty grotto]

kind of a shortcoming of doing multiple at the same time

[opaque quest]

Gonna get a board a map and some pins

[toxic pewter]

get addon called plumber it keeps track of the seeds and stuff

been using it for few days its lightweight and pretty good

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt keep track of them

[toxic pewter]

it tells you if you have a chest waiting at a node ,etc

[opaque quest]

Done

[lusty grotto]

it tells you where they are, but it bugs out

[toxic pewter]

yeah true it is kinda wonky in that regard

still pretty good addon though

[lusty grotto]

yeah its fine ive been using it since tuesday

[buoyant inlet]

Heyo, how important are the t30 set bonuses to start pushing m+ next week? Gonna start tanking this patch and only got 2/4, shouldn't really be an issue right?

[lusty grotto]

not that important

[buoyant inlet]

With like ilvl 427

[lusty grotto]

your ilvl is more important

[buoyant inlet]

Right

[lusty grotto]

yeah you got a steep hill to climb

if youre at 427

but it shouldnt be too bad if you start low

[buoyant inlet]

What keys am I supposed to be able to do?

[lusty grotto]

who knows, nobody knows the current scaling

ptr had 10.1 scaling

[buoyant inlet]

Kk

Gearing should be easy enough tho

[lusty grotto]

we will see on tuesday

not as easy as 10.1

[buoyant inlet]

Atleast queuing for m+ doesn't suck as bad as a tank right

[lusty grotto]

will take longer

[buoyant inlet]

Hm I only played 10.0

[opaque quest]

Arent +0 already 437 or smth

[buoyant inlet]

I can probably run +7-8s with this ilvl?

Easily enough?

[lusty grotto]

i wanna say no not easily

the ilvl bump enough

is huge

[opaque quest]

Ye we got more than the usual diff between patches

[lusty grotto]

im already getting ready to get fucked in the ass in 16/17s

[buoyant inlet]

Kk I'll not get too excited to run high keys then

'high'

[lusty grotto]

since we're jumping right into those by completing a 25/26 this week

which btw

will be hard as fuck

[buoyant inlet]

Atleast I can finally host my own keys as a tank :lmao:

[lusty grotto]

cause 10% scaling is back after 20

[vivid orchid]

yea the scaling baseline will account for a +39 ilvl delta, ass fucking will commence next week

[opaque quest]

idc ill just sneak my way into a +15 next week as tank

[buoyant inlet]

Kk thanks

[opaque quest]

Or do i need to do vault to get loot

[lusty grotto]

just be prepared to get declined cause youre not a vdh

it's gonna happen

[opaque quest]

Eh 3k IO will be enough to get an invite g

ig

[lusty grotto]

maybe not as often as "not bear" in 10.1 but still

yeah you're fine rooach

just telling the other dude

[opaque quest]

Ahhh

You scared me

[lusty grotto]

like this shit isn't really that huge of a nerf

[opaque quest]

That was fast

[lusty grotto]

but we will see, i havent really heard much from anyone

also brew got buffed

well brew tier

[vivid orchid]

that was needed

their damage was a fair bit lower than other 5

[lusty grotto]

WW tier buff is interesting too

i like WWs

and MWs

at least MWs are "kidna" meta

[opaque quest]

idc about meta i like the mist animations

Also cocoon ❤️

[lusty grotto]

mystic touch woverinememe.jpg

ngl but a 3% damage buff is such a pussy move @daring marlin

typical blizzard

we'll just move the slider just a tiny bit

when all of ret's problems are just because of their hyperfocused trees

[opaque quest]

You should see the unholy aura

Its at like 300%

Cause they dont know what to do with wounds

[lusty grotto]

unholy got buffed

but idk how much it translates to

[vivid orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283026784126107659/1172709558326665236/Screenshot_2023-11-10_182451.png?ex=65614de2&is=654ed8e2&hm=6fb7e554812171bbf98d17859a0ecdff7a2bdd1bf372d58b01af131c7ab32e4d&

[lusty grotto]

of all the plate wearers DK is the one ive barely played

ah

typical

just giving some more weight to the leggo conspiracy i guess lol

3% to ret, 3.73% to unholy

[vivid orchid]

that it will be godlike for them or..?

[lusty grotto]

0% to fury and arms lmao

yeah

the thought is that they will be "balanced" when they get the leggo

[vivid orchid]

mm

[lusty grotto]

all of the 2 hander str classes

[copper lion]

is there a point to farming renown

[lusty grotto]

it sounds like bullshit honestly but 🤷

just something to do

[copper lion]

i just finished my campaign and just chilling

[lusty grotto]

nothing that will get you so far ahead really

all in all farming renown will be meaningless

[copper lion]

Has Dorki always been anon?

[lusty grotto]

wdym

[opaque quest]

Didnt get buffed. Changed

Garg deals less dmg

I do more

[copper lion]

do we know his identity

[opaque quest]

Will be a buff in AOE and +-0 in ST

[lusty grotto]

oh no, hes pretty private

gotta respect it

[teal swift]

That's kinda creepy

If Google doesn't tell you his irl identity, it's private imho

[copper lion]

right, I was just curious if he is just anon

[opaque quest]

Time to do a SSShitterwolf

And doxx ppl

[copper lion]

idc really

I am watching a stream

[lusty grotto]

i honestly just watch him and naowh cause their commentary is chill

[opaque quest]

Is dorki the cat with a cap?

[lusty grotto]

it def isn't because i main warrior cause they both dont really like us

[copper lion]

yes

[lusty grotto]

all 3 of them are super chill to just listen while working

andy, naowh and dorki

but nothing beats jb when you just wanna hear someone be pissed off lmao

[opaque quest]

I like Dratnos

He feels human Idk how to explain it

Hes an idiot like me

[lusty grotto]

yeah dratnos is cool too

but everyone knows when you dont wanna be chill, you go past JB and go straight into grom LMAO

[opaque quest]

Got a link? I dont know either

[lusty grotto]

im just gonna link the legendary clip https://m.twitch.tv/clip/CovertGorgeousFlyRaccAttack-88f1op-GmczULZYL

[opaque quest]

Oh the push week

[lusty grotto]

[opaque quest]

Hes not wrong tho lmfao

[lusty grotto]

ya haha

[grim pilot]

if u wanna push dont hold hostage 19 other people

[strong forum]

Love gromnak

[opaque quest]

I hate when ppl say brb between bosses and dont come back in pugs

Guess im gonna go fuck myself and buy another 200g phial

[lusty grotto]

thats a fucking huge peeve of mine too

unless its a fucking emergency

but you never really know

[opaque quest]

If you cant afford 1:30 to raid once a week dont raid

cmon

[lusty grotto]

yeah its not even that, its what - said

they are holding up x number of people

[opaque quest]

Yea

[lusty grotto]

and its like fuck dude youre wasting people's time

[opaque quest]

Then you stand around

And more ppl leave

Raid dead

Because of 1 fucker

[lusty grotto]

like its ok to do it once, for like a reasonable amount of time, we're all human after all

but if its a constant, jesus fucking christ

[daring marlin]

https://x.com/narcoliestv/status/1723158499926901207?s=46&t=pKJqAaes9gysilv22ZNTqA

Narco having a regular one

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[toxic pewter]

anyone else notice heroic leap not working as reliably lately at all or just me

like I will put the reticle at max distance and it wont leap..

[lusty grotto]

i havent had any noticeable problems with it

[toxic pewter]

k maybe an addon or some crap

found out dragon roar doesnt trigger guards to attack me LOL

just goin around launching dudes all over central encampment

its not doing damage so i guess its intended to work this way

gonna submit a bug report

[left basalt]

no issues for me this week

[strong idol]

hey guys, checked the pins and also searched the discord but couldn't find info on it, what are we using our sparks on or are we saving?

[jagged gust]

most peeps are wait and see rn

but for now we think it's gonna be embellishes on wrist/belt/cloak

[strong idol]

awesome, thanks bud

[pallid quiver]

Embels, missed pieces of hear,

A lot of important gear pieces (Shield, etc) come from easy to hit things like first raid boss,

So a lot of people are waiting

[strong idol]

sweet thanks for the info mate, i'll just hang onto them and see what week 1 brings my way

[lusty grotto]

check #268491842637660160

its all there

[strong idol]

My bad, only checked the pins

[brisk vector]

upgrade or not hmmmm

[violet flume]

i mean why not

[jagged gust]

not gonna be using drakes for the most part anyways

also turns out running old raids still gives you flightstones for this season

[opaque quest]

Crit haste leech

Defo upgrade

[potent anvil]

How does one get a weapon? Is it doing the seeds or w/e

[opaque quest]

5 seeds

Superbloom

Weekly renown

[potent anvil]

[opaque quest]

3x Veteran gear

[potent anvil]

Sounds like a lot of work

[opaque quest]

Eh its fine. Did it in 30 mins

Still havent finished the campaign cause im lazy and hate wow

[potent anvil]

Same

[toxic pewter]

u guys think it worth upgrading 1h sword to 463

[half gazelle]

mb shield is better slot to craft

[raw parcel]

I upgraded lariat, but shield is probably next (and was probably the better choice, but my neck sucked more than my shield)

[lusty grotto]

its also random so you might not get one 🙂

[lusty grotto]

bad call

lariat has been bad since s1's end

no bueno

[raw parcel]

The consensus I've heard is that since everything but lariat has been nerfed, it's pretty good now.

[lusty grotto]

its not, not for us

and hasnt been

check #268491842637660160

under embelishment

[raw parcel]

Welp, too late. Not gonna stress it too much, can't undo it.

[lusty grotto]

except for no belt this time around, nothing changed from s2

it is what it is

we'll be swimming in sparks by mid season anyway

so can correct anything without any issues

[potent anvil]

Made it to 3k on my warrior finally

[lusty grotto]

gz

wait

you mean last week

cause this week doesnt count

[potent anvil]

Yeah, well. I got +25 io

[lusty grotto]

are you sure?

dont troll me deswind

cause it def didn't give you io on the week of 10.1 release (or maybe it was deleted after)

[potent anvil]

This was from the run I just did a couple of minutes ago

Seems to work to me

[raw parcel]

Hm, lariat is still listed as one of the best ones on the wowhead guide for s2. If it's good enough for wowhead, it's good enough for me. 😄

And besides, it's my clumsy ass fucking up mechanics that's gonna stop me from reaching my goals, not the minor performance difference between embellishments.

[lusty grotto]

we dont write the wowhead guide

mwahi does icy veins

llarold is around here, and is an experienced theorycrafter though

so it is what it is

but yeah your perspective is really good so i'll give you that one

lol deswind now im gaslighting myself

anyway i didnt mean to take away from your win, well deserved

[raw parcel]

Excellent job 😮

Highest I managed this season was a 19, and I was proud of myself. 😄

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah it does count, its s2 post

s1 post counted

i just kind of remembered them deleting some io for some reason i cant recall why

[potent anvil]

Maybe the deplete past 20 keys or w/e? I dunno when that was implemented.

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

that means i can kind of push this week but with the scaling change... ugh

i was already dreading running a 25 for my friends

[undone verge]

ppl were getting giga io from depleting high keys so they nerfed the io u got from depleted keys and reworked ppls io

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats not it

that was the change on depletes after 20

but that was after s2 started

not post season

[undone verge]

oh recently, then idk

[lusty grotto]

oh well heh

honestly with the scaling being put back on, id say its even more deserved now

not to mention, tyrannical week with healer group heals giga nerfed

and mana becoming an issue

[raw parcel]

So... next season, anyone know which dungeons will be easiest? So, y'know, I can target those because I'm a scrub.

[lusty grotto]

theres a few

its kinda in the air

[raw parcel]

I miss SBG and Court of Stars.

[lusty grotto]

but if you played legion and/or bfa you will have an easier time in AD or WCM

BRH is easy if youre a legion vet

kind of

[raw parcel]

I'm not. Know none of htem.

[lusty grotto]

well its kind of up in the air

AD might be hard for you

at first

WCM is kind of easy but it really depends on your route and/or skips

[fast knot]

I've talked too much shit about Deios, guaranteed to be my key off the rip

[lusty grotto]

well more skips than anything since all doors are opened this time around

[raw parcel]

nodnod Well, I'll just have to learn which I like best the old fashioned way. Jumping in and getting murdered 😄

[pallid quiver]

Upper's gonna be interesting come higher difficulty keys

[pallid quiver]

Lower DotI (first four bosses) shouldn't be too hard boss wise

[lusty grotto]

dont be surprised if dawn ends up being one of the vault keys

its received enough nerfs

[pallid quiver]

and you can solo enough trash, so

[lusty grotto]

all i know as of late is that everbloom tree boss got massive buffs so it'll be a pain in tyrannical

[pallid quiver]

Morchie and Deios definitely still truck, and Sense was saying Decap/Mortal Strike was an issue on PTR, but that's at levels higher than vault, so

funny that morchie hurts since it's physical but sand blast

[lusty grotto]

kinda fun to speculate but scaling was off in ptr so nothing is really set in stone

we will see, only a couple of days left anyways

[zealous willow]

Yesterday Dorki rated prot warr after vdh and he said vdh is overturned atm and netfs may come. Do u guys think prot warr is rly second best tank atm ?

[lusty grotto]

we're a bit biased here

also vdh nerfs did come just today

but they might not be enough to dethrone them

[zealous willow]

So its good time to play prot warr

Going to check the nerfs

[lusty grotto]

they shouldnt be huge

its tier set nerfs

just play what you want man

if you want to be safe, go vdh

[pallid quiver]

prot war can't even run 2s, terrible tank, better off tanking as a warlock even

[lusty grotto]

if youre more comfortable on warrior, then play warrior

people meta reroll all the time, the vast majority of them sacrifice experience on one or two tanks over a new one just because, its kind of counter productive

dorki, naowh, andy, these are people that can play any tank cause theyve done so

[pallid quiver]

Particularly when tank balance has been as strong as it has been this entire xpac

[lusty grotto]

but you and me, we're probably losing a lot by going into a newly revamped class

and spec

i like my approach, just have alt tanks and main what ive been playing since vanilla

[blazing condor]

Watched him play vdh yesterday it looked hella good

In his hands

[lusty tiger]

Dam eating the pizza my roommate made at 3am was god tier

[lusty grotto]

yeah seems fun so far

im getting mine up to get ready for alt keys

my druid is probably gonna go feral

and/or boomy

chipadin will stay chipadin

not entirely sure which one to focus on for now

as the main alt i mean

i hate the idea of chipadin getting disgustingly lucky on some loot/vaults so i might actually just retire her

btw you can still buy sockets and apply them to adventurer items from outside the dream

vault sockets

just got me this

[pallid quiver]

wtb lfr appearances

[blazing condor]

Just wait a few xpacs til its legacy

[lusty grotto]

@grand veldt #protection message

[grand veldt]

oh nice

[lusty grotto]

in case youre getting a 450 helm or accesories

[grand veldt]

yeah fuck yeah

[lusty grotto]

and you had token or merits of sockets piling up like me lmao

[zealous willow]

Im not reroling meta, just wanted to know ur opinions abt warr. I decided to play warr don't understand me wrong. Its good to know ppl opinions.

[lusty grotto]

my opinion is play the tank youre most familiar with

[grand veldt]

my opinion

[lusty grotto]

and if you arent familiar with any then warrior is fine, druid is arguably the easiest one, but its dogshit this patch so yea

[lusty grotto]

[zealous willow]

Warr for the win. Druid is boring, i play prot warr since legion. From time to time i switch to try something diff, but i love tanks with shield mostly

[lusty grotto]

then youll be fine

[warm plinth]

Hello

[lusty grotto]

what have you been up to ghash

[raw parcel]

Prot warrior is my favorite spec, personally. Not really interested in swapping unless I feel like I have to.

Which I don't, feels fine at the moment.

[warm plinth]

Existing

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Been playing Dying Light, waiting for frens to play again

play wow again*

[lusty grotto]

but but im playing

[warm plinth]

I meant my normal team of friends haha

You're my fren of course

[lusty grotto]

[blazing condor]

Just not normal

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

Just in case y’all didn’t know

[lusty grotto]

i didnt even know i had this lmao

[chilly brook]

You can upgrade like two pieces of gear (one from time rift and one from dreamsurge) to 450 ilvl pieces of Aberrus tier

[lusty grotto]

i just realized it just now (that i had the banner)

450 but yea

some of us knew

and also read the socket part

[chilly brook]

I replaced a 437 and a 441 tonight

[lusty grotto]

suffusion weekly also gives a 450

but its random

[chilly brook]

Gonna be a pumper on Sark on Sunday

[lusty grotto]

i got a ring and slapped a vault socket on it

[chilly brook]

Suffusion?

Some weekly thing I forgot about because it was irrelevant so late in the season?

[lusty grotto]

fyraak assault

you forgot about it because you got leggo

:p

[chilly brook]

Oh

Weird I did it but the item I got def wasn’t upgradable to 450

[lusty grotto]

well i must have been lucky

anyway those are the big 3

the rest of the events give explorer gear so not worth

i.e. the s1/exp-release events like soup and siege

[chilly brook]

Even if I could upgrade whatever from the fyrakk assault, I wouldn’t be able to

Not enough whelp crests

[lusty grotto]

oh

well i had more than enough at least

[chilly brook]

I upgraded a weapy to 463 so probably why

[lusty grotto]

i got fucked over with 2 cloaks

feelsbadman

[chilly brook]

Oof

I got 2 2h weapons lol

One rolled with avoidance

[lusty grotto]

2 cloaks and some shoulders

because theres 3 things that give you champs

[chilly brook]

2 of the same 2h sword and a belt

[lusty grotto]

jesus

[chilly brook]

I need it to be next Tuesday already

First week of a patch is so boring

[ebon geyser]

is it worth it to make the 4 pice set? if i have no set or nah

[chilly brook]

It’s literally free

So yeah

[ebon geyser]

right on

ty

also is arms the best dps to be so i have to do minimal gear change?

[charred ivy]

is haste crit still gonna be the go to for prot?

[pallid quiver]

Agi's the go to.

Or haste/vers, both are real good stats; honestly a sim question tbh

[pallid quiver]

Without even considering secondary stats, you only need one weapon to play Arms, while you need two to play Fury

So by the measure of least gear changing and maintenance, yes

simply because you just flat out need less non-Prot usable gear to play it

[gloomy vortex]

So in the new raid Volcoross as per Sense spell reflect guide does something called eviscerating flames which we can reflect for big damage… I don’t see any boss guides mentioning this ability?

Am I missing something

[pallid quiver]

It's part of the soak mechanic that you'll never get hit by in reasonable play, since it'd involve almost guaranteed death for at least someone. Also looks to be Mythic only

[toxic geyser]

Does blood surge interact with tier 31 in a meaningful way?

[pallid quiver]

not particularly

Only main target loses bleeds, and even then,

You get TC reset as part of the set, so Rend gets applied back instantly,

and deep wounds gets auto-reset on a single target via devastator

so they just kinda come back

And the damage dealt is part of its own Fervid Bite spell, so it doesn't like, accelerate rage or anything

[ebon geyser]

ty

anyone here rather use wow ui than elv ui?

[jagged pier]

i do

i dont need many addons

[pallid quiver]

I use elvui just because i like the base blocky feel

i make most of it all transparent/mouse over only, though

[warm plinth]

Your face is all transparent/mouse over only though

Gottem

[pallid quiver]

But base WoW UI with the DF update is super useful now; if I wasn't just fond of elv after all these years, I could probably manage with base

[pallid quiver]

if only it was, then i wouldn't have to exist in this town and could just be an internet ghost

[warm plinth]

The main issues I still have with the default UI is aura tracking

And the resource bars are kinda meh too imo.

[jagged pier]

not being able to see targets targets stacks is kinda meh

but theyll get there

[warm plinth]

anyone else not touch the patch yet or just me

[silent vessel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid quiver]

I haven't done any like actual content

i just hit weekly on like three chars, got some mounts/cosmetics,

and wishing next week was this week wow wise so i wouldn't have conflicting interests next week

[warm plinth]

what is the weekly, tw?

[pallid quiver]

Oh, the weekly world zones

So the Rep Weekly thing, the dream seeds, and the dreamsurge

dream seeds was most important to me because mounts

[warm plinth]

You're important to me

[pallid quiver]

gotta flex on the people i know who care about mounts

[warm plinth]

I heard there was something fucky with key difficulty? That a thing?

[pallid quiver]

Bold statement to make after the stint with me levelling that DH

[pallid quiver]

The scaling's been upped from what it was

[warm plinth]

Dude that was brutal, but tbf Wrath is probably the hardest TW cycle for tanks leveling

[pallid quiver]

Think it's back to like 10% per level or something

[warm plinth]

Someone said that but I was comparing logs and it seems the same?

[pallid quiver]

I have zero idea if it's in place now or anything

i just know people said it happened

[ebon geyser]

what piece of t29 we do not want?

[warm plinth]

I looked at a 25 tyrannical from before the patch and yesterday and they were the same.

Uh, ideally you would not want any tier 29 because that means you're in the past

[pallid quiver]

Any of it since it's like two seasons out of date

[ebon geyser]

ok ty

[pallid quiver]

Assuming you mean T30, whichever 2 pieces hold up slots from T31

[warm plinth]

This season is tier 31

[pallid quiver]

After that, it's probably best to send to sim-topia

assuming you keep any T30 at all

[warm plinth]

I believe the only potential time you'd still use 2pc T30 is in raid

Assuming you have the option of T31 4pc I mean

[sick sentinel]

some mount

[teal swift]

My brain too small

Just sim it

[nimble skiff]

So I noticed that instead of doing open world as fury, I'm staying in prot and just doing even bigger pulls now for quests. Is this how you start to main a tank

(I main fury for raid)

[blazing condor]

Yeah p much

Its very nice when you can pull 20 mobs and aoe then down as fast as a dps would

[nimble skiff]

Not only that, survive like it's nothing

I was doing some stuff last night in the new zone as fury, pulled a little too much and it got spicy. Had to blow a health pot and go d stance at one point.

Did a bigger pull as prot and didn't even go below 90% HP I was like wat

What is this sorcery

Plus insta queues for stuff. I could get on board with the tank life

[languid lion]

This is the way, me being the ultimate dad meme, 10 kids 4 jobs 100 work week etc being a tank is the only way to enjoy wow content lolol

[teal swift]

Yeah, pretty much why I can't let go of tanking lmao

[blazing condor]

tried leveling my rogue a little that is a bit undergeared

couldnt pull shit

[cinder storm]

how are mages for this season? been planning on going back to my roots just so I get tank-xiety for the bad tanks out there before tanking again

[blazing condor]

im sure theyre solid but personal experience ive yet to play with a good mage this entire xpac

in terms of damage

[cinder storm]

there was this SP streamer who was doing a 22 key, before leaving, the tank said: "I don't know how you got to 3.3k but I guess you must play a lot"

I'm saving that one