and everbloom from what i was being told wasnt really dangerous to us
#protection
strong forum
bleak breach
We will be fine, it will be rough but doable
strong forum
everbloom is more dangerous to the group than the tank
bleak breach
Confuses me with doti, a couple of bosses there’s no real way to do any faster is there? They’re on basically set timers too a degree? Last boss and the chromie one?
strong forum
well just doing more dmg
sharp ruin
Yeah the fact we don’t have group utility and kicks will penalize us so much
In everbloom
strong forum
everbloom is a solid contender to pick aoe interrupt
specifically around first boss and 3rd boss
lotsa multi casts to be interrupted
sharp ruin
Maybe same in throne
grand veldt
Ever bloom is great for disrupting shout and spell block
The hard part of bloom is being smart about the pull gathers, using spell block on a fat fat pull and the last casters
I already gave tech on the last casters though, just have your healer do the initial pulls and make the healer LOS
Don't let the healer Un LOS
toxic pewter
so are healers actually helping to keep tanks alive in 10.2 isnt that what blizzard said they wanted
strong forum
healers dont actively heal tanks no
grand veldt
We still should be pretty self sufficient outside of heavy heavy damage
strong forum
they just randomly said they wanted them to in pre-patch
toxic pewter
whats the deal with the mana though
grand veldt
They want to make it matter
toxic pewter
like 'oh wow i shouldnt cast that chain heal'
grand veldt
So healers don't just cast the best spell always
blazing condor
mistweavers struggling
toxic pewter
so basically nothing changes with these mana changes lmao
strong forum
oh you mean next patch
toxic pewter
which one still struggles with mana didnt mistweaver get mana tea change or something
strong forum
that idk
grand veldt
There are some fights
toxic pewter
oh yah next patch
grand veldt
That are capped on healer mana that make it soft enrage
toxic pewter
wat
grand veldt
I wrote it poorly
toxic pewter
like healers running out of mana on ptr?
grand veldt
But basically healer OOM
toxic pewter
interesting
grand veldt
Can wipe you
opaque quest
Yeah chain heal is basically now a non spell for resto sham
grand veldt
If it last too long of a fight
opaque quest
Even for AOE heal healing wave is now better than chain heal 
toxic pewter
so these mana changes actually are a real thing somewhat
grand veldt
Yeah
opaque quest
They are a bsolute garbage
toxic pewter
ok
opaque quest
Raid healing is fun now M+ is rough
grand veldt
They buffed the healers single target heals to compensate
opaque quest
I wouldnt be surprised if instead of rarely finding a healer never finding one becomes the norm
sick sentinel
opaque quest
They buffed the healers single target heals to compensate
Not enough. Holy shock still useless. Riptide aswell
grand veldt
If healers are the ones struggling
sick sentinel
its sorta like warhammer
grand veldt
Almost certainly paladin wins the tank war
opaque quest
Or DK ye
grand veldt
Because of their off heal and utili
vocal flame
DH has more healing
opaque quest
Its not about selfheal. Its about grp heal
grand veldt
Group healing?
opaque quest
All tanks can sustain themselves
toxic pewter
i watched a resto druid and they seem strong, they got all these treants running around proccing their tier set and stuff lol
toxic pewter
yah they may be the meta healer
opaque quest
Rdruid is the one that will run out of mana the fastest. Hots are expensive
toxic pewter
but their damage still weird i think
opaque quest
but their damage still weird i think
Brew? Insane dmg
toxic pewter
innervate duh
toxic pewter
Brew? Insane dmg
oh na resto druid i mean
grand veldt
Yeah resto dps is weird atm
opaque quest
Innervate doesnt save you. Its so little mana
toxic pewter
lol yeah i was half joking
opaque quest
Same as blessing of winter. Its less than ppl think
sharp ruin
In mid to high keys Vdh and ppala are better than us causa of group utility like kicks , silences , pff healing etc
toxic pewter
yeah the kick situation is wildly imbalanced
opaque quest
We have an aoe stop not an interrupt
grand veldt
Our interrupt silences for 6 seconds if we land it
sharp ruin
1.5 min cd
opaque quest
^
sharp ruin
Is the peoblem
opaque quest
You get infinite resets too tho. Its not just toll
You can still tab and throw shields
grand veldt
I think the fact our fear is target capped and not on a 30s cd is unreal
sharp ruin
Every shield of the ppala kick and silence for 3 seconds , our problem is always the same , they have to give us some more utility
opaque quest
Give me MoP Banners
left basalt
damn, servers still down? back from working 9-5 and everything
vocal flame
^
toxic pewter
extended to 6pm est
opaque quest
Nobody cares about kicks when we get crit banners lmao
left basalt
F
vocal flame
I even left a bit early lol
strong forum
need to login early to do the 1hr campaign and then log off again!!
opaque quest
need to login early to do the 1hr campaign and then log off again!!
I NEED TO BE THE FIRST TO BE BORED AGAIN
blazing condor
vocal flame
Why would you log off again?
opaque quest
I need to head to work in 5 hours 😑
blazing condor
i need head
grizzled nova
extended to 6pm est
they said 3pm pst/6pm.est yesterday
opaque quest
Living in a tiny country in the EU feelsgood
strong forum
Why would you log off again?
theres nothing to do after that
opaque quest
Blud thinks we get content with a new patch
strong forum
you get 1hr of story in 10.2
and then only worldquests
until next week when the actual season starts
opaque quest
Dont think im done with niffen rep yet
Probably never will. Same with new dream fac
opaque quest
I did Tuskaar for dope backpacks
cosmic wyvern
yeah I don't think the embellishment list has been updated
vocal flame
I was farming niffin then they announced the pathfinder changes I was so happy
Niffin is horrible
strong forum
2x SF is correct for next patch
vocal flame
until next week when the actual season starts
Ahh ok
opaque quest
Did we sim Rezan trinket yet?
strong forum
yes
opaque quest
Good/Bad?
opaque quest
Neat. One less raid trinket to farm if i am unlucky again
strong forum
yeah its super competetive with augury
opaque quest
Maybe i wont complain all season about loot this time
toxic pewter
can i get that trinket as prot
opaque quest
shift+j
toxic pewter
have to go dps lootspec i think?
opaque quest
Go to Atal Dazar
opaque quest
I know we could get old one as tank but that was haste
Beacon also drops for everyone. Might be there for tank
strong forum
it should be dps loot from atal ye
opaque quest
btw nome you were playing D4 too right?
bleak breach
Yeah damn, rezan really good
opaque quest
Its A tier for unholy too not bad
strong forum
yes me play d4
bleak breach
Do we need to roll like fury to get it to drop? Or will it drop in prot
opaque quest
yes me play d4
I just oneshot uber lilith. I agree with you on the neck now
Overpower thingy
Need to be removed
strong forum
its stupid
toxic pewter
actually ordered this. very tasty
jagged gust
There's gpnna be a lot of loot spec swapping this tier
strong forum
Do we need to roll like fury to get it to drop? Or will it drop in prot
i think its on dps ye
bleak breach
Didn’t think bloodmallet would be updated this quickly
vocal flame
When do you swap? During the vault or at the end?
strong forum
depends on each boss
bleak breach
Gift of ursine super low which is expected, but also apparently it has great synergy with the rageheart so works better there? Will be interesting how they go together in m+ or heavy aoe
strong forum
and depends on what you want from vault
strong forum
Gift of ursine super low which is expected, but also apparently it has great syn...
it undersims
opaque quest
Signet brand seems really good
bleak breach
When do you swap? During the vault or at the end?
Boss specific and after you get a shield
strong forum
ursine vengeance provides on average 2% mainstat + its mainstat on item
- whatever dmg it does
vocal flame
Boss specific and after you get a shield
But for the trinket. You swap to dps at the end?
bleak breach
it undersims
Undersims? Like is better then sim says?
strong forum
yes
bleak breach
But for the trinket. You swap to dps at the end?
Yep, I pretty much just stay fury once I have a shield. Or if there’s any tank specific stuff you need, which is like 1-2 things. The rest can drop in fury
vocal flame
Yep, I pretty much just stay fury once I have a shield. Or if there’s any tank s...
Ahh ok cool thank you
bleak breach
Is it going to be enough to be worthwhile using Nom?
bleak breach
Especially with rageheart? With whatever that synergy is
strong forum
eh
toxic pewter
i want that ursine trinket
bleak breach
Apparently rageheart makes ursine proc more
opaque quest
I know what im gonna use
bleak breach
That’s what I’ve been reading, it actually force procs it so you it goes off more
toxic pewter
freakin brewmasters getting preferential trinket treatment again
grand veldt
Are the haste pants and lariat good for us?
strong forum
no
grand veldt
For embelishments
strong forum
both suck
grand veldt
Rip
opaque quest
If youre melee dps or tank just use double Patch or 1 patch bracers
grand veldt
I've had double patch for a while now but I thought it was getting nerfed
strong forum
it is
opaque quest
It is
strong forum
and its still better
opaque quest
But not enough
grand veldt
LOL no way
strong forum
:)+
opaque quest
Blizz thinking flame patch is to strong while i have slimy boots on my brew doing more dmg than my other abilities lmao
grand veldt
I think they nerfed Thorns too
strong forum
That’s what I’ve been reading, it actually force procs it so you it goes off mor...
rageheart does not proc ursine vengeance
literally on ptr rn
toxic pewter
whats the counterattack ursine does
bleak breach
Just flat damage
strong forum
just dmg
strong forum
its literally the proc
toxic pewter
oh
bleak breach
Nom, if the sims are off so you have a rough idea how close it’s damage is to the other trinks? Say augary and rezan?
strong forum
so you can proc 80 counterattacks
strong forum
Nom, if the sims are off so you have a rough idea how close it’s damage is to th...
signet + augury
grand veldt
Hmm that sandglass might be a lot of haste now at max ilvl
bleak breach
Sorry might’ve mis worded my question, how far off would it’s damage be from those?
Like ursine that is
grand veldt
I like the aoe fire damage trinket as well, it feels nice for gathering
strong forum
and ursine is a better aoe trinket
cuz of the counter attack
50% of the overall dmg ursine will do is the counterattack proc in large pulls
straight up
bleak breach
So you’d run augary in st and ursine in aoe
strong forum
rezans tbh
either rezans or ursine will need to see logs how much ursine will do actually in raid
we can only estimate how much itll do in raid
bleak breach
Like those over augary?
bleak breach
Then signet brand will be all situations I assume?
bleak breach
You think we will use rageheart at all? Or na
grand veldt
Is our soft cap on vers still gonna be 5600 or w.e? Where we get diminishing returns
strong forum
ASSUMING that rageheart will not be nerfed
opaque quest
You guys should be happy if we use less raid trinkets
strong forum
youll run rageheart everywhere
strong forum
Is our soft cap on vers still gonna be 5600 or w.e? Where we get diminishing ret...
6050 for vers is when the first DR starts on vers, 5100 for haste
grand veldt
So the values remain the same
strong forum
yes that wont change until next xpac
bleak breach
Nom, so which 2 trinks would be the best to run then? Now I’m confused haha. Signet brand and rageheart?
strong forum
haste > crit >= vers
grand veldt
Kk tyty
strong forum
bis profile has 6.8k haste, 4.3k crit 3.7k vers and like 1k mastery
grand veldt
Yeah I'm a bit of a brain dead enjoyer
strong forum
860 mastery actually
strong forum
do whatever you want to
ideally you just sim
which is even more braindead than "shooting for caps"
bleak breach
Wowhead has haste>vers>crit>mast
grand veldt
And only feels better with more haste
strong forum
Wowhead has haste>vers>crit>mast
it does not
bleak breach
Is there any reason they changed it?
strong forum
strong forum
love inconsistencies
opaque quest
Time to swap to icy veins and support mwahi
vocal flame
Pins here > icy veins is what I always do
bleak breach
Noxxic
strong forum
if you read the text
vocal flame
Omg is noxxic still a thing haha
strong forum
youll see that he says the difference is miniscule
bleak breach
Yeah, I was just noticing the change they made
slow pawn
hmm
grand veldt
That name is familiar
toxic pewter
am i crazy where I am thinking of maining a dps this patch? anyone else ever switch mains when a patch comes
strong forum
yeah
grand veldt
Is that guy from classic
strong forum
dps is the most boring role
bleak breach
You can do whatever you like apb
slow pawn
raid tanking is boring at times tbh
toxic pewter
yeah i feel like i will just return to tank lol
vocal flame
He’s from vanilla
bleak breach
Fury is nice and simple, not heavily stat dependent either
strong forum
Is that guy from classic
noxxic is a guide website being made fun of since the dawn of time
toxic pewter
ele shaman just above average fun for me though O_O
opaque quest
am i crazy where I am thinking of maining a dps this patch? anyone else ever swi...
I switch between prot warr enh sham and unholy Dk
slow pawn
isnt that icyveins?
opaque quest
do people discriminate against ele shamans or wat
Enh main from season 1 here. Yes. Yes we do
bleak breach
They do really good damage too
toxic pewter
i got discriminated ON THE PTR LOL
grand veldt
Having control of the routes is too big, and trusting others is not my strongsuit
toxic pewter
some ahole was like u enh right?
slow pawn
ive been given some crap info from icyveins before and wowhead
vocal flame
Idk I always use icyveins if I can’t find it in the pins
bleak breach
I generally use wowhead
opaque quest
some ahole was like u enh right?
toxic pewter
lol
toxic pewter
that messed up enh shamans hate ele shamans
slow pawn
Most the class discords ive noticed use icyveins
vocal flame
Nah it has good info I think.
toxic pewter
then again i sort of hate fury warriors lol
slow pawn
idk if its some weird political thing with the two
I just use parses from the top to get an idea
vocal flame
The info is similar to here
opaque quest
The real question is who is visiting ivy veins still
Diablo 3 builds are fire on IV
bleak breach
@strong forum which 2 trinks should we run generally? Sorry for all the questions a little confused from earlier. Rageheart and signet brand I gathered from what you said? But the top 5 seem very close anyway.
I always go iceyveins for Diablo
slow pawn
I feel like dmge trinkets should go to dps first tanks last
lusty grotto
The real question is who is visiting ivy veins still
you wanna tell that to Mwahi?
icy veins is the only guide that has a mod here
grand veldt
Lmfao
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> which 2 trinks should we run generally? Sorry for all the ...
with current numbers, rageheart+signet
ursine, augury and rezans are also SUPER solid contenders
like
lusty grotto
llarold (wowhead) is around too but hes not a mod
strong forum
theres alot of good trinkets next patch
slow pawn
I woudlnt pass on that trinket in vault tho
vocal flame
Nim you staying on arthas?
lusty grotto
no
vocal flame
Nooooooo
uneven mason
I see google ads calling Sokraxx out on his Cougar fetish
lusty grotto
my guild will still be around and alts
opaque quest
I see google ads calling Sokraxx out on his Cougar fetish
Damn M i l f s got censored
lusty grotto
thanks i hate it 😦
uneven mason
Damn M i l f s got censored
IKR
bleak breach
I see google ads calling Sokraxx out on his Cougar fetish
Ooooooh yeah
Love the cougars
uneven mason
bleak breach
with current numbers, rageheart+signet
ursine, augury and rezans are also SUPER ...
Thanks
toxic pewter
this weapon any good until get axe from fyrakk
vocal flame
If you actually had a cougar you would know how great they are lol
uneven mason
this weapon any good until get axe from fyrakk
prb not
it wasn't back in BFA either
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
in bfa it was the biggest laughing stock
so unless they buffed its ppm
it still is
toxic pewter
would be cool if it actually was good
opaque quest
Gonna be sadge when i lose Ashkandur for a non procc wep next week
toxic pewter
lol.. u about to get a legendary
opaque quest
With my luck? no
toxic pewter
lol
opaque quest
Still no OCE
uneven mason
Still no OCE
I've got OCE on every tank this season, never got a pogstorm
opaque quest
I got OCE on my tanks too to bad none of em needs it lol
toxic pewter
oof maintenance extended another hour
opaque quest
My Monk only got a bomb spender but i had to buy it from an idiot bm that rolled to sell it
No Dja or Beacon
lusty grotto
i got beacon on 4 characters, oce on 2 (no oce on aug though), 3 anvils, 1 djaarun
i gotta check vault because of those 3 anvils, only 1 is mythic and thats on my pally
lavish sphinx
@ionic fern Max is tierlisting the Hero spec names
lusty grotto
all of them are heroic versions of course
opaque quest
Same
bleak breach
Where’s the big pumpa here to say they have mythic beacon
uneven mason
wtf are realms still down
you'd think this is a major expansion launch
and not a frigging content patch
vocal flame
They are still hungover from blizzcon
bleak breach
wtf are realms still down
It’s the cougars
lavish sphinx
lol Max says all the Warrior Hero spec names are cool
torn gulch
the servant splitter has 2 ppm
that is like 2k dps from the proc per minute
probably not that good
opaque quest
you'd think this is a major expansion launch
Be thankful its not D4. D4 patches download with 300 bits
Not kb
Or mb
Or gb
Bits
The 250mb patch today cost me like 10 minutes
uneven mason
I mean, D4's only defining feature is it's slow and painful
supple path
After D3 I learned my lesson about playing another Diablo game in the first 2 years after its release. Sadly I never learned my lesson about trusting Blizzard patch ETAs.
strong forum
I enjoyed d3 after they released monster power
But yeah it didn't rlly kick off until its xpac
supple path
I played that game on release, sold all my gear, made $300 off the real money AH (remember that that was a thing?) and still felt cheated.
strong forum
Gaming the ah was fun
supple path
Yeah it felt like some sort of "my first day trading" introduction.
Oh I see they've updated the ETA once again to be an hour from now.
lusty grotto
i guess servers wont be up until my xiv raid
which is in... 39 mins
its ok, its not like there will be much to do
supple path
Every member of your raid is going to be on time with a fully functional UI. (Oh wait, xiv -> FFXIV, not "some monster named Xiv now")
trim condor
Do we know if we can get some gear from 0s And new zone or that will start next week?
lusty grotto
you know that moment when an evoker is deep breathing/eons and the fucked up so they go nooooooooooo in slow motion
idk why but it made me fucking laugh and then i remembered my friend did it on mythic sark
lmaoooooo
lusty grotto
Do we know if we can get some gear from 0s And new zone or that will start next ...
you can do superblooms
strong forum
thats very fast tapping for a ranged spec
lusty grotto
m0s will be DF dungeons and the will go up in ilvl to 437ish
lusty grotto
lol true
karmic plinth
trim condor
m0s will be DF dungeons and the will go up in ilvl to 437ish
Sounds good, I leveled all tanks to fresh 70, So I can gear them this week at least around 430
strong forum
still funny to see a 2sec cast and hear like 6 buttons being pressed in between casts
lusty grotto
Sounds good, I leveled all tanks to fresh 70, So I can gear them this week at le...
vet track is 441s and you can get 1 piece from a superbloom in the emerald dream, its weekly though
if m0 is vet track too then it'll start at 441 and 1/8
but some here claim it starts at 437 so
trim condor
but some here claim it starts at 437 so
I mean anything helps. I have Warrior geared, but rest of my tanks Are freesh 70 with 260ilvl
lusty grotto
i guess m0s is explorer track?
yeah if its anything like dreamsurges you can catch up a bit
languid lion
good to know about the gearing, i just came back and dinged my warrior to 70 so hes like 390 from farting arond this week lol
lusty grotto
yeah catching up has been fairly great in this expansion
torn gulch
good to know about the gearing, i just came back and dinged my warrior to 70 so ...
you will be able to go to 440+ playing world content next reset which will put you ready for new season
trim condor
I am still stuck on what tank to play, I have Fun on Warrior And paladin, but wanted to try start with meta (vdh Is favorite Now for that), but I kinda feel like vdh Is Fun when jumping, but playstyle Feels boring
lusty grotto
i like vdh
its my favorite 2nd tank
but i wouldnt call it boring
bear is boring
languid lion
you will be able to go to 440+ playing world content next reset which will put y...
awesome ty for the info!
lusty grotto
prot pally before the rework was also boring as shit
languid lion
VDH is fun with with the bombs for sure
i usually main bm and its SUPER FUN blasting dps
never really geard a prot so gonna check it out, its fun zooming around and shit
trim condor
its my favorite 2nd tank
Current vdh or 10.2? I was leveling from 60 to 70 today And it Felt strange to play. I enjoyed jumping And double demon channeling, but catching aggro was clunky
torn gulch
damn US maintenance will be a least 11h
lusty grotto
all iterations
torn gulch
kek
lusty grotto
leveling isnt really gameplay
you need to manage brands and shit, if you jump in you will absolutely get deleted
torn gulch
thank you for beta testing for EU
languid lion
yeah and pooling souls or whatever for the next pack
torn gulch
awesome ty for the info!
https://www.worldofmoudi.com/get-alt-to-443-first-week-in-10-2
the only modification to the guide is that you'll have to farm the flighstones because the old ones get converted to gold
follow this
trim condor
you need to manage brands and shit, if you jump in you will absolutely get delet...
I played DH shadowlands S1, was thé same, without Brand, you got deleted. But IT was kite season aswell
lusty grotto
i havent touched 10.2 vdh, i cba to log into the ptr for it, but my DH is 70 and ready to be 2nd tank alt again
velvet elbow
What tank's doing the most dps for 10.2 boys? I just wanna blast
strong forum
vdh
trim condor
What tank's doing the most dps for 10.2 boys? I just wanna blast
I heard Its vdh, but possible bdk with leggo
strong forum
bdk does very good overall dmg yes
but vdh is on another level currently
if that gap gets made by power of the legendary alone
itll cause every plate DPS to be absolutely mega broken
plush tendon
itll cause every plate DPS to be absolutely mega broken
as god intended 
grizzled nova
itll cause every plate DPS to be absolutely mega broken
I mean they did shit gavel into the game last time
what's a wow expansion without a giga busted 2h str weapon on last boss
dusky canopy
Non plate tanks are not real tanks anyway
ionic roost
And gavel wasn't even legendary, it should be stronger 
lusty tiger
We can bare the bear
strong forum
I mean they did shit gavel into the game last time
and it wasnt good enough to make plate dps meta
strong forum
what's a wow expansion without a giga busted 2h str weapon on last boss
BFA, Legion, Wod, Mop
🙂
the last busted 2h weapon was gurthalak
and before that it was a literal legendary
besides that? generic stat sticks
pallid quiver
I feel like Archimonde didn't have one in BC, but I could just be suffering from the old timer's
strong forum
just a generic stat stick
vocal flame
We like bear
Who is we? You have a mouse in your pocket?
dark lark
strong forum
correct
turns out nerfing all good embellishments, and not buffing bad ones
still leaves you with still using the good embellishments that havent been nerfed as much
left basalt
servers up
grim pilot
itll cause every plate DPS to be absolutely mega broken
As it stands ret is much stronger than any other plate currently (so I heard), so at best it can replace non aug/dh dps
strong forum
ret is good, but not good enough to be considered mega broken as theyre fucked in their talent choices
they either do aoe or ST
they cant do both at the same time
if they had a better dmg profile, yes they would be the best plate DPS spec
cuz a paladin is still a paladin
sac wog bop freedom devo/retri aura
lusty tiger
❤️ my 2h swinging plate wearing brethren
cinder nova
I recall sliding across a gearing spreadsheet strategy week by week in 10.2
But somehow lost track of it
cinder nova
AYYYY'
grim pilot
ret is good, but not good enough to be considered mega broken as theyre fucked i...
Sorry but what exactly does make ret that good? I assumed they just got better damage profile to be placed that high, is it just the tier set or have they gotten any significant changes?
strong forum
they are giga tanky
and provide alot of utility
its just the lack of a good dmg profile for m+ that stops them from being considered top tier i would say
im not versed enough in ret itself to give a better answer
@pearl zinc elp
grim pilot
Yeah I meant in 10.2 since currently they weren't top choice even before the whole aug shenanigans
strong forum
i dont think any about that changes in 10.2
pearl zinc
<@264107551950503937> elp
hemlo yes i am rembourrage
pearl zinc
Sorry but what exactly does make ret that good? I assumed they just got better d...
ret is giga tanky provide paladin utility and is a solid wf staple for ret aura since tis easier to bring a ret then it is to garenteed a prot warrior.
as for damage, theyre not that great. they are very boss damage only oriented anything with cleave we kinda fall off. this is due to our talents being very very very st and aoe seperated. this also means our m+ build kills alot of our st
if you have specific questions i can answer them
grim pilot
I mean I'm well aware how ret looks right now, I just assumed there were some changes since it went up to certain peoples tier lists
strong forum
tierlists are memes
grim pilot
I played a tiny bit on my ret this season, think I'm 3 or 3.1k with a couple of mythic bosses killed
pearl zinc
I mean I'm well aware how ret looks right now, I just assumed there were some ch...
nope no changes
tier lists are meme
grim pilot
Yeah but I was surprised how ret is consistently quite high in 10.2
As much as I dont give a fuck about that stuff it caught me off guard
pearl zinc
its a good spec, its fun. if i were to offer a explination as to why its high in peoples tier lists. i would say ret gotten a solid tier set this season clocking in at a 14ish% bonus
compared to the 5-6% tier bonus it had in the past two seasons
grim pilot
yeah that might answer my question
grim pilot
ret is pretty fun yes but it is annoying seeing no st in m+
and to be quite frank, its st in raid wasnt good either
strong forum
its so funny
ret gets rework
and completely splits the dmg profile in half
but atleast youre not squishy anymore
grim pilot
ret was squishy pre rework?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
make them not squishy
lusty grotto
i wasnt tagged 😦
lusty grotto
nimchipadin in shambles
grim pilot
i.e. what changed to make them not squishy
strong forum
pally had 0 defensives
pearl zinc
made them not squishy
pearl zinc
more utility
strong forum
thats it
pearl zinc
people hated its burst profile
enoguh for blizzard to take notice and make it consistent "shrug"
its st in m+ build can be fixed by just making some st talents do aoe things
grim pilot
I made a ret somewhere after a rework and did maybe like 10 dungeons in s1 so I dont really know how it was before
lusty grotto
yeah the problem with ret is the hyperfocused trees
pearl zinc
like people default to es and fr being a chocie node as the issue
grim pilot
I saw a graph somewhere how ret loses the most st out of all specs, and it's like 30% or something
keks
pearl zinc
whe nits just small stuff like rush of light only procing with finalverdict and not ds
ect ect
ye, should be better now, bov was fixed but thats like what
4% more st in m+
grim pilot
bov?
grim pilot
ah
pearl zinc
and if they continue to make small stuff do aoe/cleave things or cleave things do st things. they can fix rets damage issues
but probs wont happen until next expansion so its w/e at this point
grim pilot
yeah currently ret has like 0 priority in m+ which is also an issue in aoe
pearl zinc
kk back to doing 10.1.7 content
grim pilot
that's one of the primary reasons (outside of utility) as to why sp was this strong in 10.1
strong forum
lusty tiger
looks like my doge
left basalt
Vault gave me one last middle finger the last week finally
lavish sphinx
That's fucking hilarious
cinder nova
when can I increase my 447s to 450
rough axle
Vault gave me one last middle finger the last week finally
I never got one, a friend of mine has 7, three on one toon.
left basalt
cant even upgrade to 441 to sit and look pretty in the vault
strong forum
when can I increase my 447s to 450
maybe in classic dragonflight
toxic pewter
lmao
soft plume
are prot warriors still worst tank this next tier?
cerulean tusk
Warrior will remain the "worst", on a tierlist of everyone being A or above
F tier tank being Arms Sword and Board build, it lacks a lot to tank efficiently, sadly
toxic pewter
are prot warriors still worst tank this next tier?
lusty grotto
giga clueless
opaque quest
Yeah Prot is still worst tank next patch. Roll warlock with metamorphosis if you wanna tank well
lusty grotto
heh
still no fucking mythic anvil
but hey i can at least shove this speed OCE up my ass because i cant upgrade it
opaque quest
lusty grotto
wait so
the augment rune is renown 10 right?
so whats the point of doing the alt grind lol
toxic pewter
nah its renown 18
toxic pewter
the idea is you do alt to renown 10, then go back to ur main and your main has 100% increase renown rate generation
lusty grotto
so you just use the tokens or w/e
toxic pewter
but i decided screw it i will be later than some but im too lazy to do all quests and crap over
lusty grotto
i get it
ok once again nimchipadin comes into play i guess
cause my human alts are long forgotten and not 70
silk kiln
Does the alt have to be same server/faction
lusty grotto
nah
silk kiln
Noice
lusty grotto
the rep increase is account wide
sick sentinel
Servers up ? Or can I go back to bed
lusty grotto
dont worry we're beta testing
lusty grotto
NA has been up since 3 hours ago
3 and half to be exact
i was just busy raiding in xiv
median tulip
EU is not up yet
opaque quest
EU better not come up soon im out of house
ebon geyser
ionic fern
EU better not come up soon im out of house
EU is here.
cosmic wyvern
should I use my first spark to upgrade my shield
ionic fern
Gnarlroot drops a shield (first boss in Amirdrassil).
Personally, i like waiting with my sparks a bit.
silent vessel
mornin
ionic fern
Good morning.
pallid quiver
oh my god i always forget about the t-rex arms on the primalist dwagons until they're trying to be intimidating
it's so funny
pallid quiver
that is a 10/10 recreation of like every villain cutscene they have
Also, random note, in the Raid Journal thing, Rageheart only shows up under Prot, not Arms or Fury. Not sure if someone brought it up, but that's high hopes for it being loot spec'd to Prot loot spec
convenient since fyrakk also drops gholak
ionic fern
Doesn't mean i can't equip it.
lusty grotto
so we gotta do the olde loot spec bullshit again
will feel bad
cause if you want a shield from gnarl
and/or rageheart
youre gonna be locked out of it
thanks i hate it
ionic fern
Eh?
pallid quiver
I think Nim means vault
lusty grotto
from the vault
ionic fern
Oh.
lusty grotto
my rolls are shit so i depend heavily on the vault
pallid quiver
I'd say more like use vault to get augury if you're at the point you've dropped Fyrakk
ionic fern
I would 100% be Fury lootspec for vault.
pallid quiver
since less people are likely to roll on Rageheart just due to it being tank loot spec'd so you're more likely to flat out get it as a drop
ionic fern
I want those tirnkets.
lusty grotto
that being said... i am raiding with a guild this season
ionic fern
Can always just craft a shield as a placeholder.
lusty grotto
so i actually might have options
lusty grotto
yeah i think re-upping shield is the go-to for a bit
pallid quiver
or normal, even
silent vessel
still nice
lusty grotto
like they just got it a month and a half ago? or something idk
silent vessel
our first raid wont happen because half the guild is on holiday lol
so i have to go pug first id
monka
lusty grotto
can you not take an FP to the dream? jesus christ
lusty grotto
ive been getting the darkmoon faire thing
ionic fern
jagged pier
imagine caring that much
ionic fern
What's going to happen is..
I'm going to log in after work..get a bunch of UI errors - log out, update my addons..log back in..try to figure out what quest i need to accept..do that quest..try to figure out if i'm supposed to do some other quests as well..log out.
And then play Hots.
ionic fern
I wish i was as passionate about WoW as i was a few years ago.
pallid quiver
I'm just kinda vibing while going through and like
reading quest text
I'll figure out what I actually need/want to do as I go through on my main
toxic pewter
just used rallying cry for the first time.. OOF made me want to cry how weak it was... yikes O_O
jagged pier
I wish i was as passionate about WoW as i was a few years ago. <:critcake:98454...
u can thnk BFA and SLs for that
ionic fern
u can thnk BFA and SLs for that
BfA i more or less enjoyed.
SL was the down-fall for me i think.
pallid quiver
BfA kinda set me up for bad times, since I started excited, especially with finally getting to go to Zandalar,
and then i just stopped playing
and i came back for SL, hopeful for a different experience from BfA
I missed BfA very quickly.
hollow flower
Gotta say i am really Happy to really start playing with dragonflight. Really Happy that Patches dont need 10 years and Balance is pretty good
wintry nymph
My first ever expansion was SL, so i was off to a good start
Just went uphill for me so far, so im enjoying myself playing the game
thin silo
can you not take an FP to the dream? jesus christ
The Emerald Enclave area in Valdrakken has a portal that takes you straight to the Emerald Dream.
chilly brook
my rolls are shit so i depend heavily on the vault <:deadge:900279927138578432>
meanwhile I'm jammin
game even gave me a second one for fury
chilly brook
<#148898695696482305>
no 🙂
ionic fern
Reasonable response, ngl.
jagged pier
imagine spending your crests
on a wep your gunna replace
especially as u can use lower crests to upgrade to higher crests this patch
chilly brook
imagine spending your crests
there's a good reason tbh
I wouldn't have done it if this wasn't the last shot at CE and we didn't have actual kill pull attempts
jagged pier
wait i thought u got removed from guild?
imagine raiding during this week and not breaking
blazing condor
be nice jakey 
jagged pier
i am being nice im trying to help his guild not burn out
chilly brook
wait i thought u got removed from guild?
TLDR, joined guild to get back into mythic ended up not having a great time as augmentation. Expressed my lack of interest and said hey we're losing a warrior would love to just go back to warrior. I got ignored probably about 3x, they recruited a warrior. I also just started playing dev and was initially a PI target but suddenly they stopped giving it to me in favor of worse PI classes. So I said "aight I'll just find another group to raid on my warrior for next tier" and started raiding on Sundays. So yeah, no longer a part of the 2 day a week guild on my evoker, but I am secure in my spot on my one night a week guild.
chilly brook
Also just so it's not misunderstood, I didn't say "aight I'm finding a different guild" to them
Just figured if I was going to be blown off/not acknowledged I'd explore other options, and they cut ties for me
ionic fern
2x3h 😦
chilly brook
funny dudes, actually good players too
ionic fern
I can't warrant wasting 3x3h a week for a sub 200 guild.
Not in a bad way..i just personally don't want to waste that much time-.
For some slowish progression.
ionic fern
Yikes.
jagged pier
yer im not doing all that k thnks
jagged pier
your guild makes dumb descisions
thats why i said no
but tempting to say the least
and i thought u were doing more
as u want sub 500 no?
well not u
but the guild
ionic fern
Je, they are aiming for 500.
chilly brook
Y’all excited for next tier?
ionic fern
But they won't require alts etc.
jagged pier
Y’all excited for next tier?
not really
ionic fern
I think 500 is easily achievable with our current roaster, ngl.
Just a bit more reasoning and less time wasting.
chilly brook
not really
ionic fern
Y’all excited for next tier?
No.
chilly brook
Any particular reason?
ionic fern
Je, burnt out from raiding.
chilly brook
Oof lol
jagged pier
and have to sit through long prog doing nothing
ionic fern
At least it was fun with banner.
To play the minigame of "HOW LONG CAN IKEEP UP BANNER??"
chilly brook
and have to sit through long prog doing nothing
Honestly this was probably the biggest thing that pushed me off raid tanking
jagged pier
i did, but it was ither u have a range or another melee
so im tank because haviong another melee is bad
as we melee heavy already
chilly brook
Sitting there 90 pulls into a boss when you got your mechanics down 80 pulls before that is just frustrating
jagged pier
doesnt make sense
ionic fern
No offense, but lets be honest - most guilds are super satsified with a mediocre tank.
Just standing there and doing some DPS.
jagged pier
im not satsifed tho
chilly brook
Even more frustrating when you have to wait 150 pulls to see your late phase mechanics
jagged pier
i would just get angry
ionic fern
😂
jagged pier
and want to tank to make it easier
ionic fern
Even more frustrating when you have to wait 150 pulls to see your late phase mec...
And then once you get there and fail the mechanic cause you never seen it before the whole raid goes "WTF TANK?!?!?!?"
After wiping to the p1 mechanic 100 times.
chilly brook
Yep lol
ionic fern
im not satsifed tho
Je, that's reasonable , was just speaking from the guilds pov.
chilly brook
No offense, but lets be honest - most guilds are super satsified with a mediocre...
And it drives me nuts
jagged pier
well that because your guild didnt use AA slows
so not your fault
thats the guild making dumb decisions
ionic fern
YES BUT ITS THE TANKS FAULT.
jagged pier
🤔
ionic fern
Idk.
Ask our healers. 😂
The "did you go to defensive stance??" - meanwhile 19 stacks.
But tier over.
We chillin.
jagged pier
i die on boss 'jakey how did u die' i check death log havent recieved a single ST heal in 15 seconds, 'can the healers heal me please'
'yep heal the tanks please'
cool done
no aruging
no d stance talk
ionic fern
Our issues were due to AA slows/resetting of stacks etc.
So can't 100% blame the healers.
vocal nimbus
My guild hates me as a tank since i died on Experiments / Zskarn.
BigTRUE
jagged pier
i mean same but on like zksarn for instance
i was being healed by the h pala, he died
no other healer touched me
vocal nimbus
Bdk applies AA slow?
jagged pier
and they tried to say my fault for dying
nope if the tank healer died u need to heal the tanks as well mmm k
jagged pier
Bdk applies AA slow?
any dk can
and dont try and have them say they loose dps they loose like 1k to do it
for 1-2 bosses
chilly brook
no d stance talk
Yeah….people be big stupid about d stance
vocal nimbus
Last time i did zskarn it felt harder and i thought we didnt have any slow
ionic fern
i mean same but on like zksarn for instance
I honestly don't know what happened on Zskarn exactly and at that point i've already given up looking at logs.
All i know is that i had to use an absorb trinket and sit in D stance for 75% of the time due to 17 stacks.
ionic fern
Idk, other tank was doing bombs running around
pine storm
That's where we 3 tanked and I was basically playing minesweaper for grey logs 😁
ionic fern
tanks doing bombs u not immuning them?
I honestly diddn't pay attention.
Usually i had 12-13 stacks through the fight and 17 at the highest.
ionic fern
I think they immuned some.
pallid quiver
Man, I'd come to hate the game probably if I had to set aside specific time to raid.
that's why i'm perma pug life; i'd rather mash my head against the gambling wall than have to lose a set piece of time every week
blazing condor
i agree
pallid quiver
I complain enough when TOs say I'm in the 7 AM bracket at majors zzzzzzzz
chilly brook
I honestly don't know what happened on Zskarn exactly and at that point i've alr...
Your guild hates you
blazing condor
"sry cant go out and drink tonight i gotta sit at home and play video games for 4 hours"
jagged pier
same
chilly brook
It's understandable tho.
No I mean their choices there just set you up for failure lol
ionic fern
but hunter 1st, paladin second, bop 3rd, paladin 4th, bop 5th, hunter 6th
I think they just BoP'ed the monk tank
Who then soaked some.
pallid quiver
Kinda same in my history of the anti social
ionic fern
Why they diddn't BoP / DS themnselves idk.
jagged pier
well they bop someone doesnt need ot be a tank
ionic fern
No I mean their choices there just set you up for failure lol
Still not fully their fault - i could have spoken up and said anything, but naa.
When ever i raid, i zone out.
To the point of missing DM's etc.
Like "auto mode".
😂
ionic fern
Funny you mentioned it - i am actually taking a break this tier.
jagged pier
hes trying
ionic fern
And ask me to tank.
chilly brook
You sound like you need one
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
jagged pier
ionic fern
I'm going to level my rogue/warlock during this Timewalking
Think it started..today?
pallid quiver
ye
Draenor timewalking
I'd help since I'm mostly out of major things to do, but Blizzard hasn't invented rollback netcode for WoW smh
ionic fern
jagged pier
well as dragonflying is far faster
pallid quiver
I don't even know how you get pathfinder is my answer to that question
jagged pier
Imagine going back to 320% when u can move at 800
pallid quiver
but like i can't walk off to go make a sammich while dwagon flying.
But I also can't enjoy the game while afk normal flying
jagged pier
U can just fly then go make a sandswitch your still not playing the game fore the same amount of time
pallid quiver
See, with dragonflying,
i just don't make the sammich at all
dragonflying loses pounds
ionic fern
But
if you make a sandwitch, you move.
Moving = good.
So now the real question is, does the moving from making a sandwitch + eating it outweight the sitting.
lavish sphinx
Pump out some push ups and lunges while loading or something
pallid quiver
Become a hitman in your spare time
lavish sphinx
That way you’ll always be on the run
blazing condor
are the campaign quests gated week to week?
ionic fern
Pump out some push ups and lunges while loading or something
I've started going for a run pre-raid to wake up.
blazing condor
non boomer friendly raiding times
blazing condor
lavish sphinx
Good man
lusty tiger
So now the real question is, does the moving from making a sandwitch + eating it...
If you have some good muscle mass it can
Pre raid run is based af
ionic fern
What does "based" mean in this context?
Am i old..? Did i scare off the young people who know what it means?
jagged pier
it means good/great
blazing condor
bro i got scammed
lavish sphinx
Nice and cool though
blazing condor
i planted my epic seed