you would've been scaled to 480
#protection
torn gulch
you'll learn the hard way like everybody else
pallid quiver
Aren't they trying to reduce the amount of bait kicks in dungeons, anyhow?
torn gulch
not that big of a deal
grand veldt
Based
strong forum
Aren't they trying to reduce the amount of bait kicks in dungeons, anyhow?
s3 has more required kicks than s2 by ALOT
grand veldt
This season has a lot kicks needed
strong forum
(in certain dungeons)
grand veldt
Like you'll want to skip certain packs based on your comp
toxic pewter
So will max key levels go really high later when we get better gear or am I misunderstanding the situation
strong forum
atal is free
wcm is free
everbloom and tott has alot of kicks
DHT has alot of kicks
BRH has some kicks not many, basically free
mega dungeon has medium amount of kicks
grand veldt
I'm still trying to figure out a way to pull the entire pack at first boss in EB
strong forum
get an aug
grand veldt
Writhing vines ignores LOS
strong forum
even range?
strong forum
thats what im suggesting
pallid quiver
s3 has more required kicks than s2 by ALOT
Sort of what I meant; you need to kick things rather than letting them through
strong forum
well
torn gulch
i can see certain parts of atal and wcm not being free in high keys
pallid quiver
Thought their goal was to get rid of things you can just let go/waste kicks on
pallid quiver
Ye
grand veldt
Yeah I wish they hit tank only
pallid quiver
Yeah, didn't they retool an old dungeon cast into being something to kick or am I crazy?
torn gulch
Thought their goal was to get rid of things you can just let go/waste kicks on
that will be a mistake because if they did that it will just create bad behaviour for people encouraging them not to kick
grand veldt
Idk what's up with their new spell system on adds
But it won't recast if you LOS mid channel
copper lion
cuz they dont exclusively go on tank
casts were one shotting people in tot in ptrt? that normal?
grand veldt
Till they come back out
pallid quiver
casts were one shotting people in tot in ptrt? that normal?
Yes
strong forum
casts were one shotting people in tot in ptrt? that normal?
swell? was mega overtuned
grand veldt
Swell is still a bitch
copper lion
swell? was mega overtuned
no the bolt casts from adds
strong forum
if you go high enough they 1shot yeah
grand veldt
You need a mage for it or shaman
strong forum
pretty normal
grand veldt
For the double pack
grand veldt
Yeah
strong forum
or warlock
grand veldt
You need multiple purges
torn gulch
we'll just have to see when season starts how dungeons feel
strong forum
yeah like
copper lion
or dh
so the adds I struggled on were the packs that put on the bleeds, they wrecked me all the time
in tot
strong forum
the bleed is nasty indeed
but you got evoker for that
to cleanse the bleed off of you
and just pop CDs
grand veldt
You can use hibernate or any other cc
strong forum
and blow them up
copper lion
i was at 6 stacks in seconds
grand veldt
To isolate one
copper lion
and then 10 and died
toxic pewter
Does the average pug evoker know to clear bleed cuz I feel like they don’t have a clue
copper lion
all the time
grand veldt
You can pull 1 or 2 from the pack
So you only have a pack of 4
Use landslide or mass roots to stop them from aggroing
strong forum
Does the average pug evoker know to clear bleed cuz I feel like they don’t have ...
then they need to learn to do it
toxic pewter
Even in season 2 they clueless ones I played with
strong forum
most people are
grizzled nova
Does the average pug evoker know to clear bleed cuz I feel like they don’t have ...
they learn for the stuff that costs them keys
torn gulch
then they need to learn to do it
adapt, improve, overcome who doesn't adapt will have to or they will not do keys past a certain level
grizzled nova
most pug evokers were good about the crawth bleed, for example
pallid quiver
Boss mech stuff is usually more well know to pugs because they're iconic
It's roigh to expect a random pug below like 24s to know what trash does
grand veldt
True
Well
During next season
22 or 23s
Since the 8% lvl thing will be 10% again
But yeah same sentiment
That's when trash mechanics can no longer just be healed
toxic pewter
Still feel like every tank should equally be shit on by bleeds to be honest
I find it unfair a a few are a lot better than others
grand veldt
I think very tank does suffer equally
torn gulch
nope
toxic pewter
No
toxic pewter
Paladin and bdk just don’t care about bleeds
grand veldt
Oh cause of bop
torn gulch
yea for bdk bleeds do not exist
toxic pewter
And paladins literally get a dr against dots
grand veldt
That's interesting
torn gulch
or are pretty insignificant
grand veldt
To be fair
Bdks can literally get one shot on a pack that just got stunned
Just from syncing timers on auto attack
toxic pewter
Yeah they can get 1 shot true
grand veldt
Paladins I'm not sure, I played paladin half of season two
toxic pewter
I wonder if there’s a funny compilation of vdh jumping into packs and dying
grand veldt
And having dstance be on the floor
Was fucking cringe
I would die through 2 defensive often after the nerfs
I don't know if paladins will be God's in the highest keys
I know vdh will and I know prot war is solid
But I'm skeptical
strong forum
Still feel like every tank should equally be shit on by bleeds to be honest
some gods are not created equal
but it is factual that dots are disproportionately harmful for us compared to the 5 other tanks
toxic pewter
Yeah i guess we don’t get one shot as easily so maybe that’s the trade off im missing
strong forum
despite that glaring weakness
we are still across m+ history
among the most popular meta tanks
because of the raw power that is block
pallid quiver
Breaking News
Shields are actually useful when used as a shield
toxic pewter
us getting 100% shield block uptime is really no joke and I cannot forget that
It’s very powerful
strong forum
and im okay with having that weakness
its not fun to be weak against bleeds so much
but it is fun to just laugh at alot of stuff other tanks dont
toxic pewter
Yeah that’s true
strong forum
also being weak to some things, keeps you on your toes
pallid quiver
I'm fine with it on a thematic level, too
toxic pewter
You think bear nerf to their rage gen on many targets will push us forward back to being number one physical dam mitigator
That iron fur so wild in past
strong forum
bear is still stupid strong in those scenarios
strong forum
but its not infinity strong
toxic pewter
I can see bear still being good, I mean did their damage get nerfed at all or wat
They so good with augmentation too
lusty grotto
4pc yea
lusty grotto
20% raze damage gone
pallid quiver
Word on the streets, inaccurate as it always is, is that bears unplayable trash now, though, so they likely won't be meta
toxic pewter
Yeah damn that’s a big nerf
Vdh at blizzcon is telling lol
Much vdh players incoming
toxic pewter
Feral is fun I hear
lusty grotto
giga boring bear
strong forum
besides that its the exact same tank
pallid quiver
But the nerfs tho, they killed it, just like the Prot War merfs everyone keeps telling me happened
strong forum
i also fall asleep doing vault keys
grizzled nova
And paladins literally get a dr against dots
tbf it ends up being like functionally ~20% dr on the dot
grizzled nova
and ppala has lower base hp by a not insignificant margin
grizzled nova
ye
toxic pewter
How much less like 100k?
grizzled nova
my 447 pala is 833k hp
toxic pewter
Yeah I feel like we are close in hp between the shield tanks
strong forum
1.43mil
we have 1.4mil
strong forum
1.73
lusty grotto
remember meta gives them hp
toxic pewter
brewmaster has least health usually in my opinion
strong forum
2.3mil with meta
toxic pewter
Yeah damn.. that’s wild
strong forum
brewmaster has least health usually in my opinion
thats not an opinion
brew has less HP because they have stagger
toxic pewter
Even with last stand we not even near 2 mill
strong forum
thats how theyre designed
BDK and VDH have highest HP
cuz they dont mitigate alot but heal alot
pwar has mid level HP cuz we block
pally same deal
toxic pewter
Stagger so strong
strong forum
bear is bear
toxic pewter
Do monks still need healer a lot these days
strong forum
nop
toxic pewter
Dang
strong forum
nobody needs a healer "alot" these days
tanks get 1-2 maintenance hots in most situations
and 1 or 2 heals here and there
thats about it
toxic pewter
Yes
strong forum
that applies to all tanks
BDK who needs healing just eats shit
but they do still get obv aoe and maintenance healing
but it is alot harder to spot when it was actualy beneficial healing or not
pallid quiver
Meanehile, the healers complaining that healers are too weak and can't keep people alive, blowing all of their CDs at once on the tank:
grizzled nova
pally actually has 40k more HP on sims
like effective or actual?
grizzled nova
how's that even possible ppala just has less hp multi
strong forum
idk i just looked at sims
copper lion
i have no idea how tanks are doing +28 and higher keys. at some point you just have to have the dps to be able to live through packs of adds right?
uneven mason
Good stops, prio target
grizzled nova
i have no idea how tanks are doing +28 and higher keys. at some point you just ...
yep, better cc cycle, better prio on high dtps targets, less time in dangerous situations so your cds get more value
copper lion
I see guardian druids on YT videos and they don't seem to flinch, is this right?
uneven mason
More or less
strong forum
thats because bears scale with pull size in current patch
uneven mason
thats because bears scale with pull size in current patch
Until tomorrow
strong forum
they get stronger the more targets there are
uneven mason
strong forum
they will still scale with pullsize
due to UFR
just longer infinite rage
VDH will be the new pullsize scale king
cuz of their tierset
we will also again scale with pullsize, just not at the rate that VDH does
strong forum
ye
cuz we gain 1 free talent point to play with
cuz bolster isnt mandatory anymore
so you can play it in every dungeon
and thus be alot stronger in big pulls
(12% on average in big pulls)
toxic pewter
Does feel nice to not have to lose it that’s for sure
grizzled nova
I didn't do giga high keys on pwar this season but didn't we only drop it in uldaman?
I feel like I had bloodsurge 95% of the time in m+
strong forum
didnt play it in uldaman, neltharus in weekly keys
in higher keys you did start playing it in BH and Hoi aswell
especially after the Hoi change where youre forced to do all dragons n stuff
BH its more quality of life to have a little more leeway on kicks
NL it was kinda whack outside of as backup-backup
but i cooked with andy for NL to not pick spellblock and instead go defenders aegis so you do get access to bloodsurge for the first pull
as you dont need spellblock on any of the bosses if you play well
lusty grotto
yeah you need DA for that first pull
strong forum
dont need it
lusty grotto
but def not spell block
lusty grotto
its unfortunate because it basically is the only time you get anything out of it
strong forum
yeah NL is just shit
lusty grotto
yeah but andy has a team that manages externals
so he can get away with not using it
strong forum
its super easy to coordinate tho
lusty grotto
maybe in EU 🙂
strong forum
you get VE for first frontal
lusty grotto
in NA though, LOOLLLL
strong forum
sac for 2nd
and then hulk should be dead
if you get 3rd youll have SW again
like priest VE hard carries first, so you dont need to commit CDs besides very short ones
grizzled nova
how much base haste will we need to itf in keys s3
strong forum
5400 is recommended absolute minimum for push keys
but if you only do weekly keys
you dont need as much
ideally you get way north of 6k for push
grizzled nova
so probably spending a few weeks with hr until we can get haste bits at ilvl
lusty grotto
5400 isnt a lot
lusty grotto
you probably have that already
grizzled nova
ye
strong forum
i have 5.4k with all consumables
grizzled nova
I'm at like 6k crit 5.5k haste atm
I just mean I'll be taking whatever ilvl I can get, probably won't all be haste at least for 2 weeks or so
lusty grotto
it varies for me
strong forum
i cant remember the last time where i had a full set of gear without good haste
lusty grotto
kinda feel bad about not having giga crafted shield this time around though
strong forum
straight up always have haste
lusty grotto
but at least im raiding
so wont be so bad
nymue for the big shield? or gnarl
which one is the higher ilvl
strong forum
whatever sims better
strong forum
current profile has 4.3k crit 6.8k haste and 3.7k vers
atleast for ST
so ye
mastery is the only stat we really dont want for dmg
lusty grotto
at least gnarl is the first boss?
strong forum
yeah like
lusty grotto
i havent looked at anything
lusty grotto
nice
for da homies
after kazzara though
so weird how that boss was a pug breaker
strong forum
makes no sense
lusty grotto
people just trolling
knotty vortex
mastery is the only stat we really dont want for dmg
isnt a little bit of mastery good tho around 1k
knotty vortex
so for M+ wise verse vs crit. is crit still better?
knotty vortex
u passively get ur mastery for the tier set u can just get haste crit or haste verse on all other pieces
pallid quiver
Never forget the time soms told me to get mastery
uneven mason
Never forget the time soms told me to get mastery
Felt you were neglecting them
short veldt
are aspects crests unobatinable from m+ as of tomorrow? wondering if i need to upgrade gear tonight or lose the chance to
lusty grotto
probably
strong forum
i think they turn grey starting with 10.2
lusty grotto
yeah
strong forum
so yeah think so
lusty grotto
nome do you know if archi has guide updated?
for arms at least?
ah his guides are updated on wh
pallid quiver
From what I remember, he prefers wowhead so it's more up to date
strong forum
dont think theyre updated for 10.2 as of yet
cuz the patch nor season have launched yet
lusty grotto
@dusky canopy what are you crafting for arms?
strong forum
id just craft vers bracers + shadowflame on cloak
strong forum
idk like 15k?
toxic pewter
Oh that’s not bad
dusky canopy
Well they gutted cloak so im not entirely sure
probably going to rock allied wrists for sure
maybe a lariat with rings thatll be 5 sockets right away
all the dps ones seem kinda ass now so the stats are looking pretty solid
inland raft
Vers wrists instead of double patch next season? I barely keep up with the game anymore
inland raft
Ah
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto ^
lusty grotto
yeah this was for arms
uneven mason
oh were talking arms my dude
Yeah nimchip deleted his prot spec back in BFA
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
goddamn it ikari
uneven mason
But I have it in writing
uneven mason
@sand egret Nimchip needs a hug, where you at
sand egret
rood
fallow beacon
From purely a m+ point of view is there any consideration for running frostfire leggaurds over shadowflame for the pack to pack haste - and to a lesser extent the companionship bracers for the group vers?
strong forum
Frostfire legs are huge fucking meme
fallow beacon
Neither make an appearance in any guides these days but thought they'd be somewhat pog
strong forum
And the vers bracers you need to sim
uneven mason
I'm sure it was considered
fallow beacon
Frostfire legs are huge fucking meme
how so
uneven mason
Everything is considered
strong forum
8seconds of 10% haste
strong forum
Bosses last 3-5 minutes
You only get the benefit of the pants for 8, if you spread it out like idk 16seconds
lusty grotto
I think i'm gonna spin up my prot next patch actually, so soon ™️
yay!
uneven mason
Nim is gonna need you to tank, I reminded them that they deleted their protspec in 8.0
sand egret
We got Tree Boi lined up in WCM next season....you know how much I love that fight as prot war
lusty grotto
idk what clearing means
uneven mason
Why clear stacks when we just block
sand egret
i live for it
uneven mason
TFW the DPS gets 1shot by thorns when we don't clear
strong forum
Apparently
uneven mason
it's this face
strong forum
Wait do spikes scales with the stacks?
uneven mason
I thought it was all damage he does
strong forum
I thought its only the auto attacks and tank buster
Nah
The fire doesn't get amped
Cuz it clears the stacks before it does the fire dmg
uneven mason
Oh right the spikes are their own entity
lusty grotto
<:keks:936231610850897992> it's this face
strong forum
I thought the fire was amped until mandl pointed out that it doesn't
uneven mason
Fire removes stacks before doing damage, spikes are their own mob
uneven mason
thats why we nelth's fury
grand veldt
anyone know if there's a diffuse magic sheet like our spell reflect one?
lusty grotto
bro
im actually a gigantic idiot
holy shit im stupid
i just made 2 enchanted aspects
and i just realized tomorrow base craft might be 447
so i used 4 dracos out of my stash
20k gone
😢
uneven mason
lusty grotto
uneven mason
Imagine all those poor bastards who ran out and stacked a sporecloak
lusty grotto
well no i dont feel so bad
uneven mason
Right
lusty grotto
uneven mason
I mean still scuffed, but at least whatever you jacked didn't just get nerfed by 70%
Can't wait to recraft my shield tomorrow
Oh wait NM will be next week
inland raft
Besides story is there anything even to do this week?
uneven mason
Wait for the community backlash the instant a streamer realizes prot is good
toxic pewter
u guys gonna race change to earthen
uneven mason
u guys gonna race change to earthen
I mean, can they clear bleeds
toxic pewter
their racials not announced yet
inland raft
Unless theres something more about then ill just stay og dwarf
uneven mason
Passive dot reduction
jagged gust
A dwarf's ability is literally "Turn into the stone version of me for a second"
inland raft
Because that would be very balanced
uneven mason
Immediate bis
inland raft
I mean if was passive reduction would prob be 2%
jagged gust
Nope, full on bleed negate
uneven mason
People lose their mind over 2%
jagged gust
We're coming to the endgame now, it's World of Dwarfcraft
uneven mason
Still way more trolls
inland raft
I mean if was 1-2% and also got a cleanse like the others then it would be enough to swap maybe
uneven mason
There's what...5 troll races
inland raft
But normal dward has 2% crit damage which is nice from the minmax side of things too
When talking such minute differences
uneven mason
Wait 6
toxic pewter
Earthen 20-25% larger than dwarves
uneven mason
Forgot nightborn
toxic pewter
could potentitally be a foot taller
uneven mason
Sounds horrible
toxic pewter
I call it like I see it, they will be an amazing tank race
theres no way they wont
will be fun to see what they can do
pallid quiver
We're coming to the endgame now, it's World of Dwarfcraft
Looks at Deeprock Galactic
This is acceptable
sick sentinel
Rock and stone
spiral flower
Hey guys, im not sure if there is a thread or someone has been using this macro i am trying to set up
i am trying to fast Taunt and if i press shift and the same taunt key i want it to cast saronite bomb, ive been trying with some changes of otehr skills and is not working hahaha
so far i have been using this one, but not sure if it works
#showtooltip Taunt
/cast [@mouseover] [mod:shift] Taunt;Saronite Bomb
pallid quiver
Saronite bomb don't sound retail to me, so I don't know the macro syntax that's allowed
spiral flower
shiet this is for retails my bad
lusty grotto
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405827164655583233/1171262382601928804/im...
you playing return to moria?
i bought it and havent played it yet 😦
maybe when i have some time off
toxic pewter
Watching videos for the new raid and there’s just way too much shit on the ground and shit going on in general literally every fight
Each boss unironically looks like a clusterfuck
Gonna end up missing aberus over here 😳
chilly brook
you playing return to moria?
yeah duoing with an irl buddy
ionic fern
Is it any good?
jagged gust
I sure hope its better than what they released 2 months ago
teal swift
I'm still waiting for payday 3 to not be shit
static aspen
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/405827164655583233/1171262382601928804/im...
New prot war rework looks lit
chilly brook
Is it any good?
enjoyable for sure
hollow flower
Watching videos for the new raid and there’s just way too much shit on the groun...
I think every raid looks like that the first time looking at it
lavish sphinx
ionic fern
I really-really-really dislike the warrior names.
Could have been Gladiator and Berserker.
Or something more known.
pallid quiver
"Berserkerer"
No keep it that was funnier
Even more berserker
I think Mountain Thane is neat, but I think they just
Literally couldn't think of anything iconic enough for "angry dude with weapon" or any conbination
ionic fern
BERSERKER????????????????????
pallid quiver
I'd have preferred a Berserker type one for sure, though
But I think they consider the berserking part just
Being a warrior
pallid quiver
doom
they gotta get the doom memes in
I don't think that should have been one of the talents at all, but I'm not going to stop memeing about it
ionic fern
Should have just called it "Saurfang".
To keep the memes going.
And then name all the hero talents "Cleave".
pallid quiver
but i can't mimic the halo announcer with saurfang
blazing condor
Shouldve been
Padder
Turtle
Vers
ionic fern
Sylvanas should have died instead of Saurfang.
Saurfang should have 1 shot that character.
And called it a day.
Ggwp.
Everyone happy.
pallid quiver
ye
ionic fern
Like cmon, look at this chad.
Imagine knocking someone back by 30 yards just with a Charge.
And having Rage always full.
pallid quiver
yeah that
jagged pier
he lost because the jailer had boosted her powers
ionic fern
CLEAVE THE JAILER.
jagged pier
member jailer was big bad
pallid quiver
He lost because God told him to job
pallid quiver
ez
pallid quiver
Saurfang actually just wanted to go into retirement
vale escarp
AND HE LOST TO SYLVANAS.
He didnt lose, Sylvanas cheated, technically Saurfang won. But he died
ionic fern
He CHOSE to die cause he wanted to go smack Shadowlands.
Mhm.
That's what i'm going with now.
To ease my rage.
pallid quiver
Nah, he didn't even go to the Shadowlands; he cleaved the path between to go cleave interdimensional ass
he's escaped from wow
Soon enough, he will cleave all of earth
That is the end times spoken of in The Bibble
vale escarp
But Garrosh technically also didnt lose to Thrall in WoD, since Thrall cheated. But Garrosh died
ionic fern
Nah, he didn't even go to the Shadowlands; he cleaved the path between to go cle...
Agreed.
pallid quiver
Damn, why's Mwahi got all the good opinions coming out right now
Top tier big brain right there
pallid quiver
A second warrior
ionic fern
Paladin is acceptable since they also use shields.
vocal nimbus
I was thinking some leather to help gear friends
rigid schooner
One simply can’t nerf saurfang
vocal nimbus
Whats gonna be stronger, dh or monk
pallid quiver
I was thinking some leather to help gear friends
Brew's pretty fun and you don't have to sacrifice your soul to the furry overlords
vocal nimbus
Druids dont exist for me
vocal nimbus
Cool
pallid quiver
If you're helping gear friends, though, you should still go Monk of the two since it can get int stuff due to Mist
vocal nimbus
Tru
cerulean crescent
I must ask a very stupid beginner question
ionic fern
No, we don't use Whirlwind / Slam.
cerulean crescent
From what I gather, is gaining aggro on multiple targets just running into them and spamming your skills
cerulean crescent
Just do my normal rotation?
pallid quiver
Threat is tied to damage and tanks have a massive multiplier, so ye
ionic fern
Yes, but prioritise getting a early Thunder Clap / Revenge off.
Since they hit all enemies.
jagged pier
revenge is only 180
cerulean crescent
There aren't specialized ways of gaining aggro on targets beyond clap and reveng multitarget?
ionic fern
revenge is only 180
Assuming enemies are infront of him.
cerulean crescent
multiple targets
ionic fern
There aren't specialized ways of gaining aggro on targets beyond clap and reveng...
Nothing specific, no.
Just abilities which deal AoE damage.
jagged pier
not really just do your rotation
cerulean crescent
Damn that's crazy
jagged pier
if your struggling with aggro is means
cerulean crescent
Okay
ionic fern
Why? 👀
jagged pier
u arent playing correctly
cerulean crescent
Why? 👀
Too used to playing the other MMO where threat gain is something you never think about
jagged pier
it isnt
ionic fern
You don't think about it here either.
cerulean crescent
Damn lol
ionic fern
You just need to do your rotation properly.
median tulip
Too used to playing the *other* MMO where threat gain is something you never thi...
Just press buttons
ionic fern
So just slam buttons semi optimally and threat is gained
Ya.
jagged pier
doesnt even need to be optimally tbh
cerulean crescent
ty for putting my fears to rest
ionic fern
Just be weary, if talking about m+, some pugs do tend to go in before you actually do.
In which case they will get aggro initially.
But that's a "them" issue - not your issue.
jagged pier
their problem tho
median tulip
You've got Thunderous Roar, Shield Charge, Ravager, Thunderclap and Revenge. All except Revenge are also Rage generators.
pallid quiver
and sometimes they'll hold CDs to blast a single non-prio mob while you've got nothing or not wait for you to gather mobs before blasting, but still a them problem
pallid quiver
you press taunt
ionic fern
Every tank has an ability similar to our "Taunt".
median tulip
Taunt, and only in Raids
ionic fern
You mainly do it in Raids.
cerulean crescent
Yeah I was asking for future reference
pallid quiver
or you just keep pressing your buttons because the other tank isn't, so you just forcibly take aggro back
jagged pier
Taunt, and only in Raids
now now u could taunt every searing claws do the tank didnt have to take all the stacks and reduced the damage by alot
median tulip
In 5 man content Taunt has some uses, to be fair
ionic fern
If that DPS'er goes in and mobs start chasing him - i just /afk and watch him die.
Then continue.
median tulip
I was mostly thinking about cases like taunting static bosses if you have to step out of melee
cerulean crescent
Routing is hard and something I haven't done in what feels like years
pallid quiver
^^^
cerulean crescent
All of them? Even M+?
vivid orchid
they have really simplified dungeon routes lately
pallid quiver
Specifically M+ on average
median tulip
Routing is hard and something I haven't done in what feels like years
Just hold W and kill everything that tries to stop you
ionic fern
You can/should optimize m+ once you get to higher levels.
cerulean crescent
Just hold W and kill everything that tries to stop you
I have unfortunately wiped at least twice while doing this
Just death outta nowhere
cerulean crescent
I tried to use all my defensive cooldowns
median tulip
My leading cause of death is bad DPS not interrupting critical stuff and/or not killing things fast enough
cerulean crescent
Do you use stuns to interrupt
pallid quiver
Anything you can
median tulip
Yes
vivid orchid
anything to make them stop
pallid quiver
sometimes it's better to save stuns for casts that can only be hard stopped
median tulip
Especially there are some mob abilities that can only be stunned
pallid quiver
Normal interrupts are, uh, interrupts, like Pummel, Kick
You'll usually hear a normal interrupt called for as a kick
median tulip
Yellow cast bar = regular interrupt works
Grey cast bar = use a hard stop
vivid orchid
you do its default
pallid quiver
And things like stuns/fears/etc as a hard stop
cerulean crescent
Or at the very least I do not know where the fuck it's mapped
pallid quiver
Yeah, unlike other classes, we have our interrupt baseline
cerulean crescent
Pretty sure it's in the corner of my bar rotting away
ionic fern
You unlock it at lvl 7.
median tulip
Or at the very least I do not know where the fuck it's mapped
You definitely have it, it's a baseline ability.
ionic fern
So if you're higher than 7 - you have it.
cerulean crescent
Okay I'll check later
pallid quiver
Should be one of the easiest buttons for you to hit on reaction if you're gonna be doing M+
pallid quiver
and it's also good to have a second binding for it that casts it at a focus target
median tulip
I have it on a mouseover macro on my mouse buttons
pallid quiver
I have empty hotkeys, too, but
cerulean crescent
EMPTY HOTKEYS?
I had nothing to fill them with or I filled them elsewhere
jagged pier
u really shouldnt
jagged pier
we are one of the specs with the most buttons
pallid quiver
brew's got more buttons
cerulean crescent
I have like 24 hotkeys ready to fire and I'm not max level yet
pallid quiver
so i have more keybinds for it
vivid orchid
brm buttons x.x
pallid quiver
i also have an mmo mouse + keyboard binds
cerulean crescent
Surely there aren't more than 24 keys
pallid quiver
so if i don't have empty hotkeys, I've made a mistake
cerulean crescent
Or are there
pallid quiver
You'll need more than 24 for Prot War, iirc
vivid orchid
definitely are
cerulean crescent
Damn
pallid quiver
Somewhere around like 32, I think?
cerulean crescent
That's a lotta buttons
pallid quiver
i dunno, i haven't thought about it
pallid quiver
I'm also not counting useful macros, like Ravager at feet or something
cerulean crescent
Time to make more bars to use in the future
pallid quiver
I know I have at least 36, since my main 3 bars are all full
lilac jay
With Launch of 10.2 can i still upgrade old gear? with crests or will this be disabled? or next week?
ionic fern
This was from SL..that alone is 36
median tulip
Binds:
blazing condor
Yeah i also have like 35 bound
pallid quiver
man, now i have to log in and count
cerulean crescent
How the hell do you use binds like 7 and numpad
pallid quiver
MMO mouse probably
cerulean crescent
Are they for buffs you use once or twice per fight
blazing condor
I have the most scuffed layout so dont ask me
pallid quiver
or macros
median tulip
Numpad numbers are mapped to my 12 button mouse
vivid orchid
most of these buttons are used decently often, though contextually
cerulean crescent
You guys are convincing me to get a Naga
vivid orchid
yes, but not a naga
ionic fern
I'm chill with naga.
vivid orchid
idk nagas always broke for me
jagged pier
naga bad
median tulip
Logitech G600 gang
pallid quiver
I've got a Corsair mouse
vivid orchid
g600/scimitar bis
pallid quiver
I've had a few issues back when I had a Razer Naga
cerulean crescent
I'd rather not buy another mouse after having bought my good for everything mouse
vivid orchid
im a weirdo with 2 mice plugged in
pallid quiver
but the biggest issue was I think they changed the design or feel of it or something and it felt wrong so i switched
jagged pier
I've legit had 0 issues with my Naga.
last tier we had 6 mouse issues from 6 ppl, all using a naga
cerulean crescent
Fucked up
ionic fern
last tier we had 6 mouse issues from 6 ppl, all using a naga
Sounds like a them issue.
jagged pier
I'd rather not buy another mouse after having bought my good for everything mous...
i play without a naga u dont need 1
ionic fern
pallid quiver
I'd rather not buy another mouse after having bought my good for everything mous...
Don't need an MMO mouse to play, either, you can get 36 keybinds easy just around WASD and using modifiers
blazing condor
Nagas are good
jagged pier
Sounds like a them issue.
at that point its a mouse issue
cerulean crescent
I already do that
cerulean crescent
I guess I'll use ZXCV as well
blazing condor
When i used one
ionic fern
at that point its a mouse issue
Lemme find 6 people who have issues with the Logtech mouse.
So then it's a mouse issue.
median tulip
I have 2 mice, a trackball, a Game controller and a drawing pad plugged in, but with an on/off switch hub to disable ones I'm not using
jagged pier
go on
cerulean crescent
Maybe even S since nobody seems to like walking backwards
jagged pier
i doubt u can find 6
blazing condor
My scroll wheel doesnt work on my logitech
Its a product issue they just didnt fix
vivid orchid
the 600 will eventually start double clicking
blazing condor
But kept selling em
vivid orchid
after like a decade
cerulean crescent
I miss auto turn around in FF14
jagged pier
is it a 502 hero tho
blazing condor
No
jagged pier
so u got as bad mouse then
blazing condor
But logtech
cerulean crescent
Why the fuck do we have to walk backwards who wants that shit
vivid orchid
dont get hit in the back
cerulean crescent
Wait really?
blazing condor
Why the fuck do we have to walk backwards who wants that shit
To group mobs and not get hit in the back
Keeps them all in front of you
median tulip
I wish Logitech would bring back the G13
pallid quiver
Tanks are like the only role that often gets use out of backpedalling
cerulean crescent
Wait mobs can hit you in the back and somehow hit harder?
vivid orchid
try running backward jumps to do it at full speed
jagged pier
pallid quiver
Lets you also stutter step backwards so DPS don't lose uptime
blazing condor
You cant block in the back
cerulean crescent
Oh
pallid quiver
Wait mobs can hit you in the back and somehow hit harder?
You can't block or dodge from behind
cerulean crescent
Oh wow
blazing condor
And we are all about blockingå
median tulip
You can only block shit in your front arc
pallid quiver
so you get murdered
cerulean crescent
I am enlightened
median tulip
Block, Dodge or Parry
blazing condor
Im hungry
pallid quiver
There's no auto-facing or anything like in FF14
ionic fern
i doubt u can find 6
Google.
cerulean crescent
Crazy how the mobs get positionals on you
ionic fern
cerulean crescent
Fucked up
ionic fern
We have multiple people using Nagas in my raid team.
And they've had 0 issues.
...
Good enough?
jagged pier
just u wait
cerulean crescent
Maybe the Naga users that broke them were eating cheetos while using them
And the oils seeped in
pallid quiver
Anyhow, I've got 40 combat relevant keybinds at a quick glance
ionic fern
People can use w/e they want - i'm just talking from my experience that i've not had any issues with my naga.
And will probably buy it again if anything ever were to happen.
pallid quiver
My only issue with them was that they didn't last particularly long scroll wheel wise
cerulean crescent
Mouse scroll wheels all suck is my take
They crap way faster than anything else
jagged pier
im against mmo mice in general, just because u relying on something thats specfic
most standar mice come with 4 buttons now
so easier to replace/pick up and play anywhere
ionic fern
im against mmo mice in general, just because u relying on something thats specfi...
I used to be - but then i got one and got used to it.
cerulean crescent
I've never had an issue with doubleclicking but every single mouse I've bought ends up having scroll wheel issues
ionic fern
Naga also has the swappable sides.
pallid quiver
I could go back to keyboard binds if I wanted
jagged pier
Now i can't play w/o one.
and thats the statement im against
ionic fern
So i can add like only 2 button one.
pallid quiver
if i'm lazy mode, i still manage it somehow
median tulip
The G600 is essential for me; it's the only MMO mouse that really fits my hand properly
blazing condor
Also i made the switch from playing naga for 10 years to not using a naga
Took me like 3 days to relearn
median tulip
My mouse is pretty heavy, but it doesn't matter 'cos I have the sensitivity way high
blazing condor
Ew
vivid orchid
naga too small my largest issue with it
surreal birch
Do we dump FF belt in 10.2? I've seen some that a lot of crafted gear got nerfed so just wondering what to recraft
ionic fern
You can double Shadowflame.
You can Shadowflame + FF.
Really-really min/max is double Shadowflame, since you can craft it on lower stat budget pieces.
So you can still use 489 waist.
median tulip
TBH embellishment choice doesn't really matter that much
pallid quiver
mwahi i'm cold i need you to end my miserable existence
sand drum
btw curious Q about embellishments somewhere I read we would want back + bracers? does that matter for stats value since mine are on boost + belt atm (might go FF depends on sims)
pallid quiver
Wherever you read that from, probably should read it less
ionic fern
btw curious Q about embellishments somewhere I read we would want back + bracers...
That's the reason we want back + bracers, yes., Crafted gear is not as high as vault/mythic raid gear.
ionic fern
But it's really-really min/maxing.
pallid quiver
Listen to Mwahi, he's not freezing to death in 40 degree weather
ionic fern
Listen to Mwahi, he's not freezing to death in 40 degree weather
40???????????
sand drum
That's the reason we want back + bracers, yes., Crafted gear is not as high as v...
thx 😄
is it that big of a thing?
poor :c
median tulip
Currently I have my Alchemical Flavour Pocket on my cloak
pallid quiver
I didn't specify since it'd be funnier
Because even in F temps, 40 isn't that cold but I'm still cold for some reason
ionic fern
thx 😄
is it that big of a thing?
For most people? - No.
But if you want the most ideal setup, then yes.
ionic fern
~~Because even in F temps, 40 isn't that cold but I'm still cold for some reason...
Je, it's like 2 degrees celsius here atm.
Winter's coming.
pallid quiver
I felt warmer when I was in 30 degree weather, so negatives celsius
why am i like this
pallid quiver
🤷♂️ can me middle of pack 😄 thx Mwahi 😄 have a good day
It also depends entirely on if you get that max level gear in the other slots, too
I would personally use the crafted bits to kinda just patch low ilvl slots and adjust it if needed as long as you've got gold to spare
ionic fern
That's roughly how you're going to use crafted gear, ya.
median tulip
If I don't get a Shield by the first vault I'm just going to craft one
sand drum
is the dmg taken increase noticeable? have not checked logs but would not say so right?
from flame
ionic fern
is the dmg taken increase noticeable? have not checked logs but would not say so...
No.
sand drum
For most people? - No.
But if you want the most ideal setup, then yes.
planing on going engi head+bracers atm
as my crafted atleast 😛
median tulip
Can you embellish engi gear?
vivid orchid
sadly no
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
4th of December
warm plinth
yerp
blazing condor
interesting how every top raider ever has their own tier list for next patch
youd think if there was a thing as an objective tier list they'd only need one
split pecan
rank protection warrior from 0 to 10 in next raid 
pallid quiver
-15
pallid quiver
S3's a week out
jagged pier
today in NA
round pendant
s2 end*
jagged pier
is the patch
pallid quiver
10.2 is today NA
round pendant
Why is this information so hard to find
round pendant
I googled it man and it's all 14th and I know that's when the season STARTS but then I can't find any mention of 8th for EU
round pendant
I get that google sucks ass nowadays though
split pecan
negative values not allowed
jagged pier
I get that google sucks ass nowadays though
🤷
dont blame the tools
blame the workman
jagged pier
right but everyone that plays wow knows hwo the resets work
and google always do US because that is actually when it gets released
amazingly when a game comes out on playstation only a month before it comes out on xbox
it doesnt say comes out on x date then y date
it just says
comes out on x date
round pendant
logic is too hard
I'm just disappointed because someone told me s3 was 7th and I just took their word for it until today
also stg weren't NA resets on mondays???
round pendant
HUH
This is my own personal Mandela Effect
I guess I got confused cause I was told s3 START was 7th which is just wrong info
anyway ty
round pendant
damn pwar is back?
ionic fern
We never left.
ionic fern
Idk what you guys are on about.
round pendant
I wanted to play bear s3 but I heard it's worse than s2?
ionic fern
Cause i say so.
split pecan
I wanted to play bear s3 but I heard it's worse than s2?
nerfed to the ground
jagged pier
its not nerfed to the ground i think it lost like 10% damage on 1 thing
and ppl suddenly think its dead
🤷
blazing condor
but the tier lists say its dog!!
split pecan
set is way worse, rage generation is close to 0
jagged pier
also prot warrior was the same stregnth if not stronger in S2 than we were in S1
round pendant
I remember blizzard saying they wanted each seasons sets to be stronger than the previous
But every season I just see people complaining
warm plinth
Guys I'm washed up