protection

[strong forum]

OF FLOWERS

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying his accomplishment wasn't hard

[teal swift]

The same low level flowers

[strong forum]

How is that better than leveling slow

[teal swift]

Idk, specless is easier

[strong forum]

But still being able to quest

[warm plinth]

Because at least you can turn your brain off picking flowers

[strong forum]

Bruh

That's beyond turn off

[teal swift]

You can level specless with professions too

[strong forum]

That's straight up rot

[warm plinth]

I don't think you understand just how bad a specless toon is.

[teal swift]

You can buy power leveling

[warm plinth]

You can't level shit with professions

[teal swift]

Why not

[warm plinth]

Do you know how much XP you can gain from professions now lol

[strong forum]

I dotn think you understand how bad spending thousands of hours just picking flowers is

[warm plinth]

I just calculated it

Like I said, I'm not saying his accomplishment isn't hard

I'm saying specless is also hard

[teal swift]

I leveled 60-66 picking flowers the other night

[warm plinth]

And requires more mental effort

Because you actually have to pay attention to the game

Since you spend 5 minutes killing 1 fucking mob

You get exactly 169,100 XP from professions now

Before it caps out

[teal swift]

You can keep picking flowers

[strong forum]

So 169100 flowers

[teal swift]

I did 60-66

[warm plinth]

Which is about ~42% of a level at 69

[strong forum]

100 flowers alone will make me wanna tear my eyes out

[warm plinth]

I'm talking about first crafts, not herb/mining

[strong forum]

Cuz it's so much brain rot

[teal swift]

Just flying around picking flowers

Oh

Level specless with peacebloom

[warm plinth]

Why would I do that? Specless started as a meme with some friends; that's the only reason I even leveled it

We were going to try to do keys with a full group of specless toons

[teal swift]

What happened to that

[warm plinth]

3 of the people were lazy fucks

[strong forum]

We were gonna do the same between TCs

In SL

[warm plinth]

Realistically, it would've been awful

[strong forum]

But it kinda fell flat

[warm plinth]

If you somehow got them giga-geared then you could maybe do like a +10 but that's probably pushing it.

You just do zero damage and zero healing

My priest does 1k dps

[strong forum]

So like

The same as your average pug healer on lvl 70

[warm plinth]

Yeah but imnagine your entire party doing that lol

imagine*

[toxic pewter]

wat ur guys favorite healer to play

[warm plinth]

Haven't really played many. I enjoyed resto shaman in Shadowlands

Rdruid is pretty cool

Mistweaver is too busy

[lusty grotto]

i like hpal

i used to like rdruid but i havent played it in so long

[toxic pewter]

resto shaman still my fav personally

[lusty grotto]

i have never

ever

played shaman

that is the one class i have never touched

ever

since vanilla

[plush tendon]

I like Shamans, Pres Voker, and HPAL

[warm plinth]

I miss vesper totem 😢

[plush tendon]

Priests eat way too much dirt, druids are always oom, and MW I dont see enough

[toxic pewter]

wow really? shaman most fun class beside warrior for me

[lusty grotto]

nimchip tidbits

i disliked totem management backthen

just the idea of it

[toxic pewter]

fair enough

[lusty grotto]

so i never leveled one

[plush tendon]

Shamans are cool

[toxic pewter]

totem are still a thing but the philosphy around them are sort of different, they more like cooldowns these days

instead of having to have them placed all the time

except a few like windfury i guess

[plush tendon]

underrepresented class.... but their skill animations are really cool

and they get sneaky good TMOG

[lusty grotto]

i dont hate them

my friend plays rsham

and i love windfury of course

im just not interested in playing them 🙂

[toxic pewter]

just wish ele shaman had something cool like windfury they can bring

[plush tendon]

fair

most people arent; I wouldnt play one myself.... but they still got a lot of cool stuff

except a raid buff

[lusty grotto]

yeah i wish they would get some love ngl

[plush tendon]

just give them raid wide multistrike

you wont blizz

[toxic pewter]

its kinda messed up enh has had windfury totem for so long and ele has had nothing equivalent..

[warm plinth]

They had skyfury totem at one point I thought

[lusty tiger]

Ele should have a choice between wf and skyfury totem

[toxic pewter]

for years now they have had nothing

[lusty tiger]

And maybe some kind of shoehorned in raid buff like monks get with their healing taken/avoidance

[lusty grotto]

they should have skyfury for sure

both specs should have both as options

[warm plinth]

Man now what do I do

I know

Next week I do a key on every one of them

Just for the lulz

[silver narwhal]

How do you sim as tank? 😮

[warm plinth]

Same as DPS.

But it just sims damage of course

[silver narwhal]

Ah. Easy enough then.

[warm plinth]

You can't sim survivability

[toxic pewter]

why can survivability not be simmed anyway

like is it just so complicated

[warm plinth]

Because it's a lot more variable than damage

[lusty grotto]

for ST:

• 1 patchwerk
• 3 mins
• remove buffs that you wont have (keep battle shout)
• make sure lust is enabled

for keys:

• 5 patchwerks
• 1 min or 1.5 mins
• remove buffs that you wont have (keep battle shout)
• remove lust

[toxic pewter]

is there any method to sim survivability knowing it is extremely variable

[lusty grotto]

apb because in the EJ days, only EHP and shit like that was "simmed"

[toxic pewter]

what is ej

[lusty grotto]

elitist jerks

ion's guild

[toxic pewter]

oh right

[warm plinth]

I think AMR claims to be able to sim it but I don't think anyone has really dug into it because it wouldn't really be useful to sim that.

[lusty grotto]

also

Damage = Defensiveness

or at least most damage contributes to it

and/or proper play which is what our APL uses

[warm plinth]

Every stat contributes to survival, and you get armor and stamina from higher ilevel gear, so realistically the answer would probably be "just get ilevel" anyway.

[toxic pewter]

yeah dang, thats a good point I am thinking only incoming damage when outgoing damage from the player also plays a huge role..

hmmm

it definitely is a can of worms

yeah damn

[warm plinth]

But if you think about it like this. For damage, the only real variable is uptime

[toxic pewter]

right

[proper roost]

am i going to see you on november 30th @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

a lot of survivability sims were just EHP baloons

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

maybe you will

it sounds interesting

[warm plinth]

For survival, you have to take into account uptime from both sides (since offensive uptime also has an impact on survival), damage types, timing on that damage for CD usage, etc.

[lusty grotto]

im def not gonna say no to season of discovery

[warm plinth]

It would be a headache, to oversimplify it lol

[lusty grotto]

it does sound really interesting

sidegaming it basically

[proper roost]

coincidence that all of discord just went down right as i asked about classic

🤔

[lusty tiger]

Yeah it has piqued my interested a lot

[limpid tide]

I don't get it, is the zackrawr guy paying for a party so hey gets KSH?

[torn gulch]

no

he has dorki helping him today as well?

[limpid tide]

floorki, must be dorki 🤣

[torn gulch]

yesterday they did some keys together as well

he has a strong party helping him get KSM

[proper roost]

but ya def not as a main game, more like 2-3 hours fucking around a week or so @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[torn gulch]

wait why is my writing red

[proper roost]

discord saw we were talking about cringe game and shut down

[torn gulch]

he actually tanked 2 24's yesterday i was suprised

and he's tanking a 22 now interesting

[lone wren]

for solo content we have some talen builds or i jsut use multi target dungeon dps on?

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

in this disc we dont focus on that

i suppose they work

idk what youre trying to solo though

leveling?

[uneven mason]

The max DPS build works great for soloing

[lusty grotto]

depends on what hes trying to solo

SL raids? uhhh....

probs not right now 🙂

[novel temple]

Do we still get banner in SL raids?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[novel temple]

Or any of the SL covenant abilities?

[lusty grotto]

yup

you just dont get leggos

[novel temple]

That’s cash money

[lusty grotto]

iirc

until TW happens at least

[novel temple]

Leggos wouldn’t be good anyway

Since the stat decrease

[lusty grotto]

well sure

but without unity you cant extend banner

iirc

soooo yea

[novel temple]

Oof, I can’t remember

I wish they would’ve brought banner into dragonflight

[lusty grotto]

yeah its unity that extended it

so kinda useless having banner without it i guess

[lusty grotto]

[teal swift]

Is banner back yet

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[teal swift]

Damn

Banner was fun

[lusty tiger]

yea and make ravager proc on every 4th outburst (:

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk&list=TLPQMDYxMTIwMjOVUrxSpOdpjg&index=2 bring back this execute

[lusty grotto]

true

big true

[jagged pier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hRYqCwdL47afjXBQ#fight=24&type=damage-done&phase=4

bring it back

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

so sexy

LOL

that is as good as our rotation gets ^-^

[jagged pier]

didnt even get PI

it was more valuable on DK

[toxic pewter]

test

my discord crashed hard O_O

[hardy snow]

[uneven mason]

Discord went completely down

[toxic pewter]

dang

[silent vessel]

condemn felt really good to press

i liked condemn

[uneven mason]

Gimmie

[dusky canopy]

I agree, bring back AA

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

wse already have auto attack, always did

[lusty grotto]

[blazing condor]

Guys have they said anything about archaeology next xpac

Since we going underground yknow

[sick sentinel]

rework it to modern talents

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

You need maxed archeology skill to enter next xpac

[plush tendon]

AA was da bomb

[sick sentinel]

im quittin wow

if u have to do arch

as is

[plush tendon]

I would do Archeology if I could get a Indiana Jones TMOG

[sick sentinel]

you know what the biggest problem of wall with arc is

its just 975 points

[teal swift]

Have 950 arch on like 5 chars

[sick sentinel]

who the fuck says, im gunna go lvl 950 points in arch today

[teal swift]

The stupid fucking bug mount was pain to get

[sick sentinel]

i got the bug mount

[teal swift]

I got mine suuuuper late

[sick sentinel]

thats only thing i truly wanted

[plush tendon]

Archeology would be cool if you could get cool TMOG or like alt starter level gear

[sick sentinel]

they should remove the archeology racial from dwarves and make it into the profession talents

[plush tendon]

Arch was a cata thing yea?

who cant wait for Archeology Classic XD

[sick sentinel]

the it goes faster part , thats deftness or whatever its called now and you can put points into it to get +5 +10 +25 deft

could be another minigame as well too, there was some quests in BFA you had to uncover dinosaur bones, quests in that vein could work

[silver narwhal]

Do you use any specific weakauras to remind you to use shield block? Or does it become second nature at one point?

[lusty grotto]

theres a few in wago

i use my own

most warrior wa's have one

[silver narwhal]

Audio cues?

[teal swift]

Can't you just spam SB

[lusty grotto]

you can make one easily if thats what you want

[teal swift]

And it magically stays up

[lusty grotto]

no

[teal swift]

Rip

[lusty grotto]

stop giving bad advice yuzu

[teal swift]

It wasn't advice

It was a question

[silver narwhal]

Thanks anyway.........

[lusty grotto]

its suboptimal if its played like that

[teal swift]

Okay, what's the uptime on SB

If you send it nonstop

While I'm combat 😳

What's the optimal way to use shieldblock, and why

[lusty grotto]

!WA:2!vv1tVTrru8MgKIKRi04gQAAru3IueLdjqcTGQOs4nXPjqQDy3T1HQk8o7UJ3DAwpZKzMnjoxq1xiC19laYuqCGt(aNr5aNxzXNGCOFaYnovEZ41Uj(G3zEZ7p)EV597ntSwXwfdlgE0D6rcyuhwQia)bxWFFueBJv7Mu2UYYTFAuD7awct8ntc)eTR1SPeRw)VRFZ)7hFZBEDFeniMj2IrOk)vQu1TI9GagljKTp1zFch7TuQiHFJyLIlV)IlQ99ce2IJD(IlBPdUxhLGefHfYFyEr(Y)Xs1MJTrPc0sNit9X7HPkN0Mnjh0VXkLDCB44w22vaHQgnPTNTrb)1XOevSnf1cllmOfsfeJLoXS9RrhinFEerkj0OosoojzJqzbrQexf03ZkLsu(8euBSyCi3sGHqA7SvLn3SRgngx)jh7etWjHLSsyb70BtKuvYrHOH9cX(aiDbSlwVYMBT2J3SBknpNkmF27E0CljWTkUC2hE9SBYNbIDJimflibdrP3GZT9KHGEL8QA21ZUrxWEeHc5qXp3hS3g3Yl7wz3URjJ0zI7VKnD27nq77X66XlQ3J8LmHPk9iwi2RpCEnaQiftu8R4fhREd2yPzf9YUcFUrqO0wcwKalLL(yhDaVZjV1VgFoqaE3zewYUPbhJXMx2CED0s0fBp(L1LZTqkfwqBqn6Fs(9rU04UATvcuWoE8zpR6JG4TFWdY(Oc9djYNNsduK9WlHOT5ZGmRDhw71q7pVWPqNkykk5jqZgHr)5t3bJ5Lb0fOSrkclUReN000rNnfCzkrk4oxH9e7n0IP6bDg24iyP8(xnB6bWwFaBrcwkn8Oz5fv4dunKXiOyT9qcZe85mcn)1KjG2YgY8fwugf3D8XxKF5Zy)kgU3etmXKNmu6iSzv(XU14xXieLQyGJib1jHQyRYW2thgjYb4qJWxmyit97ZXZXMZFEQurA2gYtbtb5Oli0QATQvYMwazLwNEgfF7iGU5PavXV8AcYHL(UuuiuFqLCDpxMpksdmY2NjcRlq8o1ZxmySFmmLAp2DZnQwjp3pZuf(mBuTAf7gw1CDR9i7nE46UV1uhYH45YZSTpxMThrs8tWXVEqucB)1e4DtX0G2B9oF6clD3HzN(GJ1)TQ((fUnNSJENgod8tvkgTgCJdZc6PfVjMgPIF)(61JsTU6ndVHMeUHmNnggqp7dhDCSL(ipdwCJjb7qb2ZKgZDcqj4Hl3KaINXenlOkHfX(XysuS6fWmgu4FzOrCSYh6(Hu7KGeKuc1Qqn3kyEF9qTe8lTBLMOix9LE(kW1u1vZefSn6oF2UI6LTT3OMniZWQmY9SKqHuRxNCMAq(WIZhcVEgzSwacaB0bnB3PaZehcTWWK0lcZa0VI4tAXzcvpHHLOROzxsOjJaL5E2sfsOGpA6IOua0dYA1ZSRbhPI53AdnfTjka)SQKwbXeUJ(q5Zk3g1gTql(YDcznmg4zbZQuf8BcFKXf6tOd5uqGMVpSmaxrpcx6XVgjIYe4ACdimsRiemH074rpyvjmchpaitq3uUEfwkLe2p6BdEA9T)I2(7w3uwgnieMOyRNmyVVHIzDiJ1AcFjUf03y)zlaTA9uSG8XgxBIF6s3MeYNn)5NsN99dBucpgnz)Mcy6MJsZNM80H91RPfPlH(oRyxPsvlnB3ZhE0SjjQGGq1(hhZNDuAOjXRsKiO9pmwCq(l2FDWHV6cWVEGHHKHjxNrMe3frjdlB3l7fRbVDS6XyKuJetB)udcZ5in0VjdXt7fzhToMB3vT0VA8KSP95Wddyv2VNTA2Vov2F47dxtb4SxL9BzhzCSwSEhOrrP9Dx4lxy5I79VB))

replace with a sound you have

thats one i did for a friend

it goes up when SB has 5s left or is missing

if you dont know how to replace the sound let me know i can run you through it

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

have fun reading through Jakey's

[teal swift]

So RN it doesn't matter, but building bad habits now will fuck me when they nerf uptime

Got it

[lusty grotto]

you played in sl

you werent supposed to do that in sl

so why are you asking

[dusky canopy]

SL uptime

[lusty grotto]

im just so confused

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean

so weird

[modern gazelle]

Do you guys play alts for raid and swap based on boss or just main war?

[lusty grotto]

the one expansion where SB uptime was ass until later

[dusky canopy]

I play warrior

And play all 3 specs

[modern gazelle]

I prefer playing one toon but guild is asking me to gear an alt. I disagree that you need any specific tank for a fight since all tanks can easily do mythic raid even

[warm plinth]

You would definitely not play a completely separate toon

[dusky canopy]

Well as tank it makes sense for them to want an alt if one is very strong on a specific fight

[warm plinth]

Off-spec maybe but not a different toon??? that's so weird

[dusky canopy]

But that’s like top 500 mental (or 200 even honestly*)

[modern gazelle]

If we were pushing for rank sure

[dusky canopy]

If you’re in a casual CE guild you do not need to have an alt tank imo

[modern gazelle]

It’s a CE guild but not like hardcore push for rank

[dusky canopy]

But I’m not the guild owner of your guild

[modern gazelle]

That’s how i feel so not sure if ima stick with them new guild I was gonna raid with but just bummer if I have to look for another guild at start of season

[dusky canopy]

It’s common for the tank roll to fill buffs or utility required

But again that’s like not a casual CE thing imo

[lusty grotto]

sadly that's the casual ce mentality

just like lower keys

[warm plinth]

Well, requiring you to play x class is somewhat fine? But requiring you to have the tank and also play a completely separate alt based on the boss is...what

[lusty grotto]

its more common than you think

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s Ree

[warm plinth]

But on the plus side

[dusky canopy]

I would swap guild before class if it wasn’t something I wanted

[warm plinth]

I had chickie nuggies

[dusky canopy]

Just my 2cents

[dusky canopy]

[modern gazelle]

Yeah I just enjoy pwar a lot so when I go to gear my alts I just get so bored lol

DH is like the only one I kind of enjoy

[teal swift]

2 years is a long time, I don't remember fuck all

[dusky canopy]

For me wiping to a boss on a class I don’t want to be playing just makes the experience that much worse so why allow it?

Not only that but the accomplishment of killing the boss isn’t tracked on the toon you want it to be tracked on

All around just meh

[warm plinth]

You can help me gear all my alts if you want

[modern gazelle]

lol you can dps in my keys

[warm plinth]

Imagine trying to figure out which toon to play

[modern gazelle]

this is my biggest thing

[warm plinth]

play your mage. WHICH ONE?!

[dusky canopy]

All 7 of them

At the same time

[lusty grotto]

yeah its shit behavior on their part

i dont agree with it at all

but its very common

[dusky canopy]

@modern gazelle look at sense, iirc him and his wife do war/bear always

No need to have an alt

[silver narwhal]

Thanks a bunch!

[warm plinth]

Sense's wife plays too?

POWER COUPLE

[strong forum]

yeah

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I so happen to catch some chat about that like a month ago

[modern gazelle]

yeah thats one of the things i mentioned actually haha

[dusky canopy]

Honestly jelous

[modern gazelle]

imo every bit of content in the game is able to be done with basically any combo of classes up until like the very top m+

[uneven mason]

Not always

[modern gazelle]

you need some variety in raid but the 2 tank spots arent gonna make or break any fight imo

[warm plinth]

we don't talk about that

first rule of skyhold is we don't talk about the time Sense betrayed us

[dusky canopy]

That was MDI anyway

[warm plinth]

I am cracking up seeing all the tweets and reddit posts about people putting the foam sword rack blocking doorways

[lusty grotto]

[ebon geyser]

Time to drop dorki from my follow for that

[lusty grotto]

why

what does it matter

[ebon geyser]

I hate that guy and the simps that give him shit instead of earning it

[lusty grotto]

thats just spite

who cares

its good for dorki

he gets to lure viewers to his channel

[lusty tiger]

why do you hate asmon

there is nothing to hate, he only promotes the community which pays for new xpacs and regular balancing

[lusty grotto]

idk, every streamer has simps, its not just asmon so its weird to single him out on that point alone

[lusty tiger]

you would be an idiot to deny getting some of asmon's clout

[lusty grotto]

like i dont watch him

[lusty tiger]

esp as a streamer

[lusty grotto]

but i dont have a problem with him

[lusty tiger]

same

carl has cooked takes anywho

[grand veldt]

Asmon playing the game is indicative about a lot

Means casuals finding retail fun again, it's a good sign, and should be encouraged

[blazing condor]

so whats the deal with keystone levels between seasons

what level should you do next week

to get a "high" key for s3

[lusty grotto]

its always 9 levels lower than your highest key for the week

so a 29 yields a 20

[grand veldt]

Do we have affixed this coming week?

Affixes*

[lusty grotto]

hmm i think so

but im not 100% sure

[grand veldt]

If we do it's a lame one I think

Tyran afflicted something

[lusty grotto]

nah should be next in rotation

tyra afflicted bolstering

yeah you got it

[grand veldt]

Yeah lol

Told you I remember

I knew it was something terrible

[lusty grotto]

rankings stop at server reset though so

[grand veldt]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

just a high complete is enough

[grand veldt]

Yeah probably only gonna do a couple keys

[lusty grotto]

people wont lose anything for getting 13s, we're still gonna need crests

and...

lower crests are a different cap

and they can be upped

so its not a waste of time to get lower crests at all

[dense temple]

what are you REALLY mad about buddy ?

[limpid tide]

:think: why it missing gear slots ?

[inland mesa]

From the pin what's the 14% DR up 80% from? I haven't been following changes granted I'm probably stuck in monk jail

[toxic pewter]

new tier set

[lusty grotto]

this is a bloodmallet sim, you should ask them

if i had to guess, id say its probably due to the ilvl jump

but 🤷

[limpid tide]

you got their # ?

[lusty grotto]

[phone]

[limpid tide]

I'm gonna call this right now

better not be a hooker service b/c I'm already in trouble for that

[lusty grotto]

aight say hi to Mike Jones for me

[tranquil pier]

I'd guess it just doesnt have icons for the new 10.2 items

[limpid tide]

could be b/c the fury one has pants on

[lusty grotto]

oh

you meant the icons

what the fuck does the stat picture have to do with anything lmao

[limpid tide]

I really dont' know, new to planning ahead of a patch and the shenanigans like sims still being refined

[lusty grotto]

ehh

its tier thats missing

also

perhaps wait until the simc profiles are loaded up on their site

this is the simc profile

notice how it doesnt have this garbage

anyway bloodmallet 🤷

im guessing they put chains just to go with trinkets 1 by 1

as a controlled variable

also like i mentioned a while ago

bloodmallet can be misleading

sim baits, not toggling the right sim, not knowing their sim durations (not the same as iterations)

(it defaults to ST)

anyway here's a handy mini guide to simming in raidbots: #protection message

also for gear "prep" i invite you to look at this #268491842637660160 message

[limpid tide]

dang ok, now things make more sense
thanks a bunch nimchip

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

cuz most of the items used dont exist on normal wowhead yet

theyre still on PTR wowhead

would be my guess

they dont physically exist on the current live wowhead database

(i feel so fucking smart for coming up with that xd)

[grand veldt]

What's the sim looking like for the new set

[strong forum]

159.3

[grand veldt]

Does thunderlord come out on top

[strong forum]

or what do you mean

in aoe yes

[grand veldt]

I've had a lot of mixed results for talents

[strong forum]

in raid,no

[grand veldt]

Like I can't tell if the 30s cdr is better or the bonus to thunderclap in avatar

[strong forum]

oh

[grand veldt]

I'm getting very close dps on dummies

[strong forum]

yeah you dont wanna play uproar in m+

[grand veldt]

Okay I thought so

[strong forum]

you lose alot of consistent dps by not playing unstoppable force

[grand veldt]

Bloodborne hasn't felt better than show of force aswell

Or battering ram

[strong forum]

ofc not

[grand veldt]

Just double checking

[strong forum]

bloodborne doesnt affect anything you do besides just add a tiny bit of dmg

[grand veldt]

Anything new then for us or same build minus bolstering

[strong forum]

battering ram directly affects rage generation and fluidity of rotation

[grand veldt]

For m+

[strong forum]

but show of force will no longer be played at all

[lusty grotto]

hmm has anything changed from the preliminary builds?

[strong forum]

nop

[lusty grotto]

cause if not then those are the ones right

[strong forum]

i added a bit more context to the pin

but besides to TL in all m+ builds

[grand veldt]

Can we get even higher up time on avatar so that show of force is irrelevant?

[strong forum]

nothing happened

[strong forum]

no you get more thunderclaps

and less revenges

therefor thunderlord does gain more value and SoF loses value

with 10.2 tierset

[grand veldt]

How low can we get TC cd down with average haste

[strong forum]

wdym

[grand veldt]

Is it closer to one second

[strong forum]

youre gated to casting TC AT THE ABSOLUTELY VERY BEST every other global during avatar

[grand veldt]

Bc I feel like my TC is still on cd for too long but maybe it's because I'm testing in old gear

[strong forum]

you will never

[lusty grotto]

yeah it couldnt go into BFA every gcd territory

[strong forum]

never be able to cast 2 thunderclaps back to back

those haste levels are not obtainable

[grand veldt]

Copy

We just replacing revenge rage into ignore pain now then

[strong forum]

no

nothing changes with revenge

or anything

[lusty grotto]

its just that you get a tc reset with tier

[strong forum]

nothing changes next season in any way how you play prot warrior

you jsut have more access to thunderclap

but that doesnt change how you play or use your rage

[grand veldt]

Well

I have some secret tips I'm going to share with you guys

[deep steppe]

Minor question for 10.2 guys, would running the Allied Wristguard of Companionship be good for us? Or is is irrelevant enough that we shouldn't worry about it?

[lusty grotto]

not as good as 2x sf

[grand veldt]

I've been doing a bunch of tests on the ptr for keys this past week and found a lot of useful shit

[lusty grotto]

did you check against the reflect sheet?

cause it might be up there

and if not then sense can put it in

[strong forum]

full send 2x SF

[deep steppe]

Thank you guys!

[strong forum]

hit me with the secret tips

[grand veldt]

The reflect sheet is missing a couple things

[lusty grotto]

cool

[ripe mason]

Does that reflect for AoE as well, or is it similar to BDK with Sporecloak and Allied Wrist?

[lusty grotto]

more updates to the sheet are always better

[strong forum]

sporecloak is roughly a 1% gain in aoe assuming 90% uptime and assuming perfect play, so for almost everybody it is not going to be worth it

[grand veldt]

So first off here's a trick you guys can do to pull some easy mobs down for Rezan

https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughChillyClamBlargNaut-YO8OvB1gJ4V1HrIa

It only works with invis, the true sight mobs will not link or social aggro as long as you bring them away or snap them down

[ripe mason]

Really? That's surprising to me.

[grand veldt]

If you keep the mobs too close to their original pack they'll aggro

[ripe mason]

Appreciate it, though.

[strong forum]

while that is interesting, its not really useful

as both of those packs will be skipped

[grand veldt]

Only if you have a priest

[lusty grotto]

i mean thats just basic AD snapping

[strong forum]

nah dont need a priest

[grand veldt]

If you don't have soothes for the guy before nox

[strong forum]

you can walk past em

when you CC the leftmost mob

[grand veldt]

Oh that's nifyy

More then I guess

[lusty grotto]

bfa tech

[grand veldt]

All the snap spots you use to use

[strong forum]

snapping is dead

[lusty grotto]

yeah you cant use most of those anymore

[grand veldt]

Can be used to protect people from jug charge

And the saurids

[strong forum]

yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

[slim zinc]

Actually with how it works uptime will be higher than people expect

[lusty grotto]

that we know about

[grand veldt]

Copy

[strong forum]

well sure, but even with 100% uptime, its not going to be all that worth it for majority of players

[grand veldt]

Everbloom

[strong forum]

due to shadowflame doing its dmg

[grand veldt]

The triple caster pack

If the person being targeted LOS the spell

The casters will not recast

Have the healer pull

[ripe mason]

I'm wondering, how come it's such a small damage increase? For BDK it pulls ahead fairly significantly in AoE situations.

[slim zinc]

Yeah, think VDH and Monk are the only tanks that gain ST benefit from it at like 80% uptime

[strong forum]

so the CD get incurred on cast start

[grand veldt]

Yes

[strong forum]

ST its a 1k dps loss for us at 90% uptime

[grand veldt]

It will not recast at all

[strong forum]

xdd

[lusty grotto]

triple caster next to mage boss you mean?

[grand veldt]

Yes

The spells in general

[strong forum]

im talking 1% aoe gain over sof

[lusty grotto]

yeah that worked on the OG dungeon too

[grand veldt]

All work like this

Wcm Etch works the same way

[lusty grotto]

yup

[strong forum]

and shield of hearth is a 2.1k dps loss for pwar

over shadowflame

[grand veldt]

All yhe spells if LOS, will not be recast

[strong forum]

probably due it stat allocation

if you have a different stat spread

[slim zinc]

it's like 3-4% AoE gain for us in larger AoE 😄

[strong forum]

aka way less vers

then its probably larger

but because our profile has 4.3k crit 6.8k haste and 3.7k vers

[slim zinc]

Our profile is way below 3.7k yah

[strong forum]

getting crafted items that proc vers is not beneficial

so those items

are a case by case study

[grizzled nova]

Do any economy people know if they're gonna replace dracothyst or should I buy it before the price goes giga in a week?

[grand veldt]

The wasps in everbloom do not aggro by proximity

[strong forum]

people are gambling on dracothysts

buy low sell high

im not gonna bother

ill do it live

[grand veldt]

And you can sleep walk all the cultivators for free percent https://clips.twitch.tv/ComfortableSilkyOcelotRitzMitz-_0b0HP2mymsT1Qr4

They work like the molten core dudes in nelth

[lusty grotto]

dracothysts are still gonna suck to get, as of right now there isnt any other way to craft them

[grand veldt]

No bloom petals, no casts

[grizzled nova]

at least in na its still 4500, where its been about a month now

[strong forum]

id argue

you wanna avoid the cultivator

and instead pull flowers

5 > 1

[grand veldt]

You can use this to pull them into the boss

[strong forum]

but yeah the flowers are sleeping

[mortal brook]

pull the whole area in 1 pull, silly goose

[strong forum]

so proximity aggro does not work for them

[lusty grotto]

ye

[grand veldt]

I mean you could easily pull all the flowers

But then with cultists up a bunch get buffed

All my routes are with funnel for my arcane mage in mind

Cultivators live for a while

Darkheart thicket, any flower your allies can stand on

Will protect them from the adds the bear spawn

His roar can be LOSd but it's a pain in the ass

The cats don't care, they will lunge to no path available spots

I have some tech for the first boss but I'll share it after the first week or two, I don't want it to get patched immediately

The bats in thicket can be synced and chain reflected

Their bites a melee range cast

[lusty grotto]

figures considering fenrir, AV, Nok, and BH branch/totem/fences

for bear adds i mean

[grand veldt]

Yeah its nice

Honestly the worst place sadly had been tides

[strong forum]

bait the primal charge to stones and it stops the charge, or hug the arena wall of it

[grand veldt]

I couldn't find a single spot to protect people from fixate

[lusty grotto]

thats a super old one though Nome

very unlikely that gets patched lol

but who knows, they did patch a lot of CoS shit

[grand veldt]

Theres a couple spots you can find to protect people from the adds on this boss

And the charge

I can't give more but just be creative

You'll find spots you didn't think would be allowed can be reached

The dryads in thicket and the bloodtainted mobs should be your skips

[lusty grotto]

steve i almost didnt recognize your name

[grand veldt]

They take way too much time

[lusty grotto]

eh

dryads are easy to LoS and gather

and their disengage is controllable

you dont know about the big ass house pull?

[grand veldt]

I'm talking about the centur guys

[mortal brook]

hiii nimchip o/

[grand veldt]

That keep the blood petals healed

They're actually so obnoxious

[lusty grotto]

[grand veldt]

You can make a big pull and not pull those guys then invis past the double pack

[lusty grotto]

yea

the double keeper pack was often skipped in legion

so you're not wrong

[grand veldt]

Tides that center piece in the middle of ulthoks room

Can be used to LOS spells

[lusty grotto]

yeah that we know about

[grand veldt]

So can the tiny pieces of coral on the sides

[lusty grotto]

was used in cata as well

[grand veldt]

Even though you can jump on that thing

[lusty grotto]

heroic dungeons were fucking stupid so it helped

[grand veldt]

The dogs have infinite Z axis

So you can't escape them

You can root a dog

And make the size 1 or 2 less

Save the remaining 4 for the ulthok fight to use lust on

Mass root will keep them secure away

[lusty grotto]

that one i hadnt considered

cause those shitters just melted

but considering key scaling

[grand veldt]

The 6 pack aqua mage can be skipped

The giant swell guys cannot

[lusty grotto]

might be a good one

[grand veldt]

And be careful for the swell on spell steal

It ignores line of sight

You have to kill all the swell dudes to open ozumats gate

But the 6 pack can be skipped and probably should even though you can do a 6 cast reflect aqua if you leap in

You can also leave one of the 3man packs up

And use it to kill your after ulthok

Much faster than dealing with the electric hallway and elevator

You can manually jump down the elevator and leap when you land to speed it up

But probably not worth

[lusty grotto]

swell ignoring LoS was like that in cata too

[grand veldt]

In WCM, you can snap mobs to the little fountain in the court yard

[lusty grotto]

a lot of these are more for players that didnt play back in the day

[grand veldt]

Useful for the guy who does the aoe silence

Maggots

And the wretch

[lusty grotto]

yup same as in legion

[grand veldt]

Oh nice I didn't know people did that then

You can also snap some mobs by jumping on the little railing up stairs

But idk how useful it is

[lusty grotto]

yup

you snapped shadows that way

but i think shadows hit like trucks in this iteration

[grand veldt]

Yeah and literally everything is trying to not target tanks

So fucking annoying

We have to be vocal about people LOS at start of each pull

[lusty grotto]

by shadows i mean soul essences

heres a ye olde route

[grand veldt]

Yeah Ik what you meant

The first mobs in galakrond doti

They are all staggered like hideous cackle on the warscourges in BH

There will never be more than 1 time slice, 1 time rip, or 1 channel cast going off at once

It'll be 3 spells always, nothing more

[lusty grotto]

and thank fucking god for that lol

[grand veldt]

So do a massive first pull always and probably lust on it

Tempo slice is the dangerous ability

[lusty grotto]

this one is good to know

[grand veldt]

Template puts increased damage debuff on you and it stacks fast

Can be stone formed off or dispelled

Etc

[lusty grotto]

yeah that one i noticed running dawn

[grand veldt]

That shit hurts so bad

[lusty grotto]

but the stagger thing is very useful

[grand veldt]

Yeah I found it out on accident

Setting up my nameplate weak aura

I don't know the best things to stop in doti,but the giant dragon is a must and then skip most of the last packs I think

For galakrond

The elemental cast stone bolt but it also applies a nasty bleed

And it stacks

[lusty grotto]

ye olde mini boss treatment

[grand veldt]

Last boss make sure the adds are stacked and you can sync the reflect or you'll hate your life

Oh and the spell reflect sheet says we can't reflect the last boss in wcm

We actually can

Even if we aren't the target

[lusty grotto]

do you have a log

[grand veldt]

Its a chain effect

[lusty grotto]

if you do then pass it along

uh

that was always the case

[grand veldt]

No but the last boss you can reflect it normally, but he doesn't cast it on tank

[lusty grotto]

but it didnt target tanks

[grand veldt]

Yes

But you can bounce the reflect off others

If you get them to isolate

And treat it like VP BOSS

If they don't isolate it'll hit the whole group and it's not worth

[lusty grotto]

it says its reflectable

would be weird if it didnt say so

[grand veldt]

Yeah but it doesn't say you can reflect the bounce

Off others

[lusty grotto]

this one happened that way in BFA

right

[grand veldt]

Wasting strike on boss before last

You want to use reflect 2seconds before the cast to be able to cast reflect again the 2nd time

[lusty grotto]

ye

[grand veldt]

And it's a melee cast

So on the third cast

Leap far away to reflect it again

[lusty grotto]

yup that one we knew about too

[grand veldt]

Rip me where was all this info

[lusty grotto]

hard to compile it on just a reflect sheet

its just going off from memory

[grand veldt]

Ah kk

[lusty grotto]

maybe if there's a key stuff in

[grand veldt]

Oh the runeweavers

[lusty grotto]

or a key sheet

[grand veldt]

In wcm

You can reflect their curse

[lusty grotto]

ya

[grand veldt]

But it only targets you if you're the only target in LOS right after etch

I didn't see runeweaver on reflect sheet

[grand veldt]

I'm griefed

[lusty grotto]

[grand veldt]

The mobs that fear in thicket on the sheet?

Idr the name

[lusty grotto]

the cyclops?

[grand veldt]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

Nightmare Dwellers

[grand veldt]

Yeah, you can sync them with range or LOS

And reflect every other

[lusty grotto]

[grand veldt]

Just use disrupting shout

And they won't cast for 6 seconds

It'll line up the ones that are off

[lusty grotto]

id rather send a spell block and/or reflect there honestly

than use disrupting fuck disrupting

[grand veldt]

Does spell block work on it?

I didn't test that

[lusty grotto]

it should

[grand veldt]

That would be nice

[lusty grotto]

actually

it doesnt apparently

[grand veldt]

The reflect just negates their cast

[lusty grotto]

you mean the channel right?

[grand veldt]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

can just play stops on that

[grand veldt]

Yeah I'm saying if your groups dog shit

Its a good trick to know

[lusty grotto]

true

[shut summit]

reflect sheet always a work in progress btw, have had tons of people message me with shit from ptr that i've added so feel free anytime

[grand veldt]

❤️

[dusky canopy]

🐐

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Much appreciated sir!

[lusty tiger]

[copper lion]

we don't get an advantage by running a key right now for reset tomorrow do we?

[strong forum]

s3 doesnt start after reset

s3 starts 14th/15th

all of next week is still s2 only with 10.2 patch

aka 1hr of story and then log off for the week until the actual season starts

[copper lion]

ok so not anything to worry about right now

[modern gazelle]

friend asked me to help with heroic sark kill for his uber low alt and got the 99 parse finally feelsgood

[dusky canopy]

Yeah if you don’t do a +30 tonight your entire next season is over

Might as well quit now

[strong forum]

even next week

no point worrying

youll need to do lower keys anyway

and unless you can squeeze in a +29/30 next week

no real point worrying anyway

[strong forum]

Undulating Sporecloak shield and healing reduced by 79% (was 50%), Versatility reduced by 75% while above 70% health, and healing over time effect reduced by 80%

LOOOO

rip sporecloak

[dusky canopy]

LOLOLOL

Can’t have a good time

That’d be bad

[grizzled nova]

holy fuck they did it

sanguine doesnt stack

[strong forum]

that is very good

tbh

[pallid quiver]

So we use sporecloak now? :L

It's only ehat, a minor nerf?

[strong forum]

what

they just nerfed sporecloak by 75%

its omega dead

[dusky canopy]

No no they kneecapped sporecloak

[strong forum]

ultra useless

[dusky canopy]

It’s trash now

[strong forum]

its literally garbage tier now

[pallid quiver]

wym 75 is a small number

[strong forum]

?

are you ok

[pallid quiver]

Listen I'm tryng to play the role of average wow player

I have to not understand numbers

[strong forum]

instead of 490 vers it now grants like... 120

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

Ion bro

Wyd

[strong forum]

and the shield

is even less now

[pallid quiver]

This is my coping mechanism after seeing shit in pug raids

and especially work

[strong forum]

it was already only 100k

now its fucking idk 60k

mega garbage

[ripe mason]

They took personal offense to me asking about it earlier.

[grizzled nova]

nevermind apparently linguine still stacks but walking into a new pool doesn't cause an insta tick - they all tick together at same time

[pallid quiver]

ye but 60k is bigger than 100k, because like 6 is bigger than 1 tho

you should shoot me for my own benefit tbh

[strong forum]

i mean im happy its nuked

[ripe mason]

I'm not, I crafted it literally today on my dk

[dusky canopy]

Linguine

[grizzled nova]

was gonna say rip everyone who crafted in the last few weeks lmao

[ripe mason]

Tbh I knew it was going to get a nerf before the season was over

Never expected them to nuke it from orbit before it even went live

[dusky canopy]

I crafted it but I had loads of resources to waist so no big loss for me

[pallid quiver]

On a serios note, the only reason I'm glad it's nerfed to the ground is now no one will ask if they should use it here

[ripe mason]

People don't read. Of course they will.

[grizzled nova]

well better this than later, the real tragedy would've been using a s3 spark on it then it getting btfo'd

at least youre only out some gold

[clever shale]

god damn haha, is there a blue post on this? I am at work and all the wow related sites are blocked :C

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/guardians-of-the-dream-ptr-development-notes-1666552#21857028

ah yeah

well this is ripped straight from bluepost

[clever shale]

appreciate you ty

[pallid quiver]

See, people do read.

They just lack reading comprehension and numerical literacy to understand what they read

[warm plinth]

I'll rip you straight from a blue post @strong forum

[pallid quiver]

that'd where my shit oosting comes from of where a guy pulling like 50k said he did more than me pulling 100k

Because you're supposed to add the numbers to get to get the damage

That's what the k means

[copper lion]

So basically in order to get a 15 on s3 from vault, I'd have to time a +26 right?

[strong forum]

yes

i might try and snag a decent key tbh

[pallid quiver]

i'm just gonna start from scratch tbh

[copper lion]

GG to me, I started playing recently no way I am getting a +26 from pugging

[pallid quiver]

I cannot be arsed to try and power keys in a week

[copper lion]

Do the small birds in Neltharus cause bursting stacks?

[grizzled nova]

I doubt it'll be hard to push a key to 15 in the first week, just inconvenient.

[pallid quiver]

If you're pugging, it'll either be easy or hard as fuck

no in between

Luckily, most times it'll be the easy end

[dusky canopy]

15 for what?

Vault?

[copper lion]

I have been doing +20s with fort/tyr affixes in PTR, they seemed hard, I had 563+ gear on

[dusky canopy]

Thought we wanted 19?

[pallid quiver]

If you had 563s on and were struggling, I think that's a you issue

But I mean

[copper lion]

Not really struggling to survive, as in the whole group

to time them

I was pugging so I guess not sure how good it would be with a group

[pallid quiver]

he didn't realize the typo he made

But yeah, with 20s, you do in fact need DPS to press buttons and, if not fully geared, maybe still pulling large for more DPS. I didn't try and myself, but that's how it's been most xpac

[torn gulch]

if i am not mistaken m+ on ptr does not have the K value implemented for 10.2

so what you did on ptr will not be representative for week one of the season

20's will be decently hard

[strong forum]

PTR keys are at s2 values

and youre scaled to 440ilvl

and keys are really fucking easy on ptr rn

because of s2 values

i literally solod a +20 DHT

[pallid quiver]

he didn't solo doti tho unless he tried again

[strong forum]

some keys you just couldnt solo

[pallid quiver]

Ye

[strong forum]

and by some i mean most

[pallid quiver]

Mechs powerful

[strong forum]

not powerful

just need a 2nd body

[pallid quiver]

Simply mind control the tank

[strong forum]

keys are gonna so funny

cuz PTR doesnt have s3 values or k-value

so all the people who pushed 29s on PTR

are gonna have an interesting awakening

[pallid quiver]

I can't eait for third boss doti lower

That's going to be interesting with people used to steamrolling

cant even get my team killed to solo it because mech powerful, demands two people

[strong forum]

which is lower 3rd

the slimes?

[pallid quiver]

Blight, the MC boss

[strong forum]

that one is so easy tho?

[pallid quiver]

Where you need to oass the corruption around

Base instinct on people is pass to tank the run away

I'd be so dead as DK half the time

[strong forum]

they increased the duration of the buff

aloooooooooooot

[pallid quiver]

thank everything i play

Ooh, did they?

[strong forum]

yeah

like almost tripled it

[pallid quiver]

I didn't think 10 was actually bad, either

It fit perfectly with timings

[strong forum]

you had some nasty overlaps

now you dont

they also made it tick less

lower should be pretty chill now

boring but chill

aside from maybe the infinite fury mobs

[pallid quiver]

I thought it was only rough on P3 at all, tbh

[fast knot]

I assume Deios has been adjusted to not just instantly flatten tanks

[strong forum]

been nerfed a sizeable amount

but still fucks

[pallid quiver]

Ye, that

[strong forum]

still too much

[mint pike]

can you clarify what this means? are they changing the rate at which hp/dmg scale with key level?

[strong forum]

tickrate is too quickly

[pallid quiver]

Hr also, notably, won't have his adds kurder DPS with that dot as hard

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know if the new legendary item will be bind on account so I can send to my main

[strong forum]

currently all PTR keys, are the exact same numbers as s2 key

a PTR tyr boss on +27 has the same HP as a retail s2 boss on tyr 27 and does the same damage

and the k-value (which reduces effectiveness of armor and block/stagger) is also at s2 values

so PTR keys are literally s2 keys currently

except for having 10% key scaling above 20 instead of 8%

everything else is the same

[pallid quiver]

Deios and Morchie have me concerned atm for how they'll look

[strong forum]

which will not be the case for s3 dungeons

they will be 40-50% harder across the board

than they are on PTR currently

[mint pike]

That makes sense considering they gave you 440ish gear to test them

[strong forum]

yup

people wouldnt do fucking 29s on PTR

with 440 ilvl

if it was full s3 keys

like a 29 on PTR will be like a ... 23?

[mint pike]

so they wont be that easy until we get the new equivalent of 440 next patch

[strong forum]

on live

[mint pike]

is what you mean

[strong forum]

yes

[mint pike]

gotcha

[strong forum]

basically the keys on PTR

are about as hard as if you had 480 gear in real s3

[toxic pewter]

Doesn’t it make more sense to actually put the correct k values on ptr and then test on ptr with updated k values

[strong forum]

yes

its the first time

they've ever done this

every prior m+ testing ever on PTR was with correct values

[toxic pewter]

Yikes

[strong forum]

this is the first time they didnt

[toxic pewter]

😳

[mint pike]

and m+ tuning is usually so good on day 1 xD

[strong forum]

im 50% expecting them to forget

[toxic pewter]

At least blizzard has a strong record of dungeon balance especially at start of season

[strong forum]

s2 was the first example of that apb

xdd

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[strong forum]

usually dungeons are NOT getting tuned

for months

so

[toxic pewter]

Yeah true. Season 2 actually was decent as far as I know

[strong forum]

s3 start is looking like a massive dice roll

im halfway betting on them to not actually apply the s3 values

and people are gonna steamroll keys for like a day

[uneven mason]

They're done with DF, didn't you hear, got 3 expansions on the plate

[toxic pewter]

You think they did this change on purpose or maybe they didn’t have time to do the values ahead of time or something

[uneven mason]

No more balance

[toxic pewter]

Yeah true lol

Df is old news and I’m ok with it to be honest

[uneven mason]

They get Jimmy the intern to enter them in a panic while everyone is on vacation for Thanksgiving already and he misses a decimal so we're getting 1shot in +2s

[torn gulch]

not implementing k values will be so funny

[strong forum]

when a dev got told that information at blizzcon he just went silent

btw

[torn gulch]

but i don't believe they will mess up that hard

[strong forum]

and was like "thats not good"

[uneven mason]

What, k values or 3 expansions

[strong forum]

kvalues

[uneven mason]

I can imagine his thoughts (wtf are k values)

[strong forum]

nah

[mint pike]

went silent like the WoW room when they quietly dropped that this is the last new raid of the expac and the next expac isnt until fall 2024...

[torn gulch]

where did you got this info? who told him?

[uneven mason]

Or (oh those are a thing)

[strong forum]

eh, most of us knew 10.2 was gonna be the last raid this xpac since august

it was basically confirmed when they dropped the 10.2 teaser

[uneven mason]

Or (bwahaha, they're in for a surprise)

[strong forum]

and vyranoth went all friendly

[torn gulch]

for m+ players fated season is like a new season anyway

for raiders it might suck

[strong forum]

lotta m+ players actually dont think so

[mint pike]

it was suspected but confirmed at the opening ceremony, more concerning is the year long gap

[strong forum]

?

thats normal

happens every xpac

since the dawn of time

[uneven mason]

At least we'll have a greatest hits

[torn gulch]

wanna bet the next 3 xpacs is x.0-x.1-x.2 then next xpac for an xpact approx every 18 months?

[uneven mason]

Also .2.5 and.2.7 are real

[strong forum]

the cycle goes like this

Xpac releases

1 year later next xpac gets announced for the year after

[toxic pewter]

Have a feeling we getting the war within in July 2024

[strong forum]

its always a 2 year cycle of xpacs

[torn gulch]

already announced fall 2024

[toxic pewter]

Is fall confirmed

Oof

[uneven mason]

As long as we don't have a pandemic in the middle

[torn gulch]

yes

[strong forum]

yes

[toxic pewter]

Well that’s awkward as hell

But yeah I guess expected

[torn gulch]

10.2.5 january-10.2.7 march-fated may-prepatch mid september xpac beginning of november

fated for about 4 months

[strong forum]

yeah thats about what my tweet says aswell

10.2.5 in winter 2023
10.2.7 spring 2024

[grand veldt]

Its a real problem, idk what will have to be interrupted vs can be let go off yet bc of this

[torn gulch]

and for fated i hope they do all 10 df dungeons

in m+

[strong forum]

it doesnt matter, your gear was 440

if it was s3 values