End result is the same, just the way we got there wasn't how I would have liked it. I was going to talk to them about not coming back next tier lol
#protection
chilly brook
blazing condor
lmao "you cant fire me, i quit!"
but i mean honestly if theyve been talking about a problem they have internally for a while
why tf not bring it up with you
chilly brook
Agreed
blazing condor
like hey this is whats going on and its a problem
you could be like "oh i didnt know. i will fix this"
(if you agreed its a problem)
sick sentinel
what is the transmog change
silent vessel
you can get all tmog on a char
sick sentinel
someone put it into words so i dont fuck up saying it
silent vessel
all types of armor
lusty grotto
griff im raiding mythic with a guild for the first time next season
sick sentinel
so mores specfic
chilly brook
ayo
silent vessel
yes
lusty grotto
disconnect from vc
sick sentinel
it says warlock
silent vessel
you get the warlock tier tmog
sick sentinel
and its clothg
silent vessel
on the warrior
sick sentinel
oh, ok
lusty grotto
i told them i would rather tank, but they brushed it off and got a BDK
sick sentinel
interesting,
lusty grotto
so im like well ok ill do arms
sick sentinel
i think they should take all of the lesser systems from like legion and before and nuke them
and then dismantle or scale back the major systems, garrisons
pallid quiver
So I only just realized
the new female dwarves can have beards
WoW's past mistake has been fixed
toxic pewter
they mentioned Earthen are slightly larger, I wonder how tall they will be
blazing condor
Its too bad that earthen dwarves are very lore relevant to titans and earth and shit
Cus i kind wish theyd give us something else
toxic pewter
They could of made some cool nerubian bug humanoid race
torn gulch
some of the nerubians were bipedal from key art
toxic pewter
Ya that would of been more bold
sick sentinel
one thing that might be good idea is option to switch dragon riding mount into helicopter style on like a 10 minute cd
just a dumb cookin
blazing condor
U mean the 2nd ability
sick sentinel
there is alot of information to take in today man
pallid quiver
the ones they showed aren't nearly as interesting Warlock meta back
jagged pier
Fuck that duel wield shaman tank
Get me the fuck in
Like it tho 4 days of work after the release of SoD then i have the rest of the year off
pallid quiver
Oh yeah, I'm definitely gonna mess with Shaman tank
pallid quiver
I think it's more interesting than lock meta
jagged pier
It too bad all my friends and i play alliance on classic
pallid quiver
But my butthurt is immense and it has been relieved
jagged pier
warm plinth
That's the entire question
toxic pewter
So all the runes can be used by any class?
toxic pewter
Oh I see
pallid quiver
man, after all the timewalking spam, I don't know what to use this level 70 boost on
jagged pier
Well im presuming, but im like 99% certain.
pallid quiver
There's only 4 classes I don't have at cap, and I'm very likely to not touch any of them
toxic pewter
Might as well save for a rainy day
blazing condor
Level boosts are never worth for me cus i boost something then never play it
hardy snow
looks like they add something from newer versions just to make classic less boring
pallid quiver
I didn't even really want the boos, I just grabbed everything else because
also gryphon cool
mighty valley
Ya low investment ways to juice it up a little
jagged pier
First set sure but theres also 9 other that was dont kmow what it is
mighty valley
Also the standards in classic are so low they can just add jank and see what sticks
jagged pier
And any of these could just changes talent setups and everything in clasic
pallid quiver
Well
i guess i could boost a mage and just perform better than one of my friends who plays mage to flex
sick sentinel
looks like they add something from newer versions just to make classic less bori...
yeah, well, thats all calssic warrior needs is retail sprinkling in of basic abilities LOL
some of the rogue and priest and paladin whatever shit is insane
grand veldt
toxic pewter
Ngl that new cinematic was fantastic the voice/look of that core of Azeroth is great
sick sentinel
god the clips you could farm from HC with a warlock healer and a rogue tank
lusty grotto
it kinda feels like every class can be a tank
but im not sure about if they can be healers
mage can as announced
sick sentinel
just bring 7 tanks and 1 healer and 2 pure dps lol
new boost brings u all the way up to 424 starter lvl
unreal abyss
Hey I wonder - between Dark Iron Dwarf, Dwarf and Tauren - which one would benefit prot the most? 😛
toxic pewter
Prob best to wait for Earthen
lusty grotto
objectively, dwarf for bleed clears and/or debuff clears
but honestly it wouldnt really matter
toxic pewter
Vulpera is better than Tauren if you want to go horde
lusty grotto
apb is technically correct
grizzled nova
Dwarf, stoneskin op.
lusty grotto
you wont need dwarf to do 20s
pallid quiver
you need dorf to do +2s wym
toxic pewter
So that's something to consider
Just the cherry on top. Actually looks better in plate, better animations, can do cute flips
lusty grotto
if youre doing anything lower than a 21, you wont need dwarf at all
i would argue higher
toxic pewter
yes
lusty grotto
heh i just said you were correct cause their passive is good
sharp ruin
if u want to do some high keys , dwarf is op
pallid quiver
Vulpera looks better in plate than tauren?
Tauren mog takes effort due to you need a solid combo of helm, shoulders, and hands
sharp ruin
if u want to just do weeklys every race is fine 😄
pallid quiver
Otherwise it look poo poo
toxic pewter
Tauren unfortunately just does not look great
lusty grotto
thanks bidon i just said that
unreal abyss
if u want to do some high keys , dwarf is op
thats why I also though of Dark Iron Dwarfs as they can also take bleeds out
pallid quiver
speaking as a tauren player for like a decade and a half
unreal abyss
but also get more main stats
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
toxic pewter
Meanwhile I am a 23 time trial of style winner as Vulpera
warm plinth
The one downside of tauren is that you feel slow as hell
toxic pewter
quality of life of a lil fox is much better too
40 yard pull, bigger bags, can set hearth
life is great
sharp ruin
i mean like in throne of tides we will love to be a dwarf xD
dull sleet
Send screenshot of vulpera looking good
toxic pewter
just lost 1mil gold dont feel like spending gold on transmog and screenshotting, too lazy
unreal abyss
i mean like in throne of tides we will love to be a dwarf xD
camera position?
toxic pewter
i guess i can click on xmog vendor and ss that
lusty grotto
huh
sharp ruin
clear bleeds from dogs , they are trash xD
dull sleet
Lies
lusty grotto
🤷
toxic pewter
tauren a lot more difficult to get right
dull sleet
No actually looks better than I thought
Yeah Tauren is really weird with helmets
And everything else too
toxic pewter
true
the secret best part of Vulpera is there are so many haters, you just get stronger and feed off their negative energy
sick sentinel
u wont catch me as a tiny furry as a tank
vulpera looks like sonething that gef road killed stepped on by a giant insatant crushed
same with gnomes, has to be a tall race orsturdy at the least if im going to be the tank, so minimum dwarf ,thats the tradition is its (typically) taller stronger is tank in most rpg setting
toxic pewter
this me on my hog
sick sentinel
i wonder if it will beyou can only make 1 earthen or many
toxic pewter
yogi, why are you a self-hating furry
it is awkward and disappointing you put down fellow humanoids of animal descent
maiden ravine
I had really hoped Tigon were real
unkempt rover
do we have any PTR bis trinkets?
lusty grotto
raid trinkets
its updated with the typical we want a BIS list question
as of right now, no mythic+ trinkets are worth it
except for maybe cheat
but no notable damage ones besides maybe mirror
violet flume
why are m+ trinkets always so shit, i dont raid 😦
i got my trusty jewelcrafting idol i guess
lusty grotto
they arent always so shit
whetstone was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
mark isnt bad
this next season has mirror at the very least
violet flume
ok youre right, M+ trinkets that drop for me are shit 😦
lusty grotto
sandglass might be okayish too
but yeah this next season just has insane raid items
which is odd considering this current season has beacon/OCE/anvil/grapnel/call to chaos
so it already had extremely strong items
toxic pewter
When u guys think next xpac beta start
strong forum
Summer
toxic pewter
How long did df beta last I don’t remember. Was it like a few months
maiden ravine
Summer
should be Spring if we're expecting a 6 month beta again no?
oh you were going off "beta" as a term, not the whole alpha-beta process, my bad
DF Alpha-Beta was like 6 months, beta was like halfway in
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
Will we be able to cross faction queue is one of the things I want to know
lusty grotto
that needs to happen
pallid quiver
because really, just rip the band-aid off and tell the "World of WARcraft" people to finish eating their lacquers
lusty grotto
fucking tw with different factions
lusty tiger
this me on my hog
apb got a big hog U_U
teal swift
Oh cool more cross server faction restrictions gone.
Can we finally queue with our casual cross faction friends for things like heroics?
No? Fuck you that's why
warm plinth
I'm sure that's coming. There are a lot of technical limitations that they probably have to unravel to do a bunch of this stuff
teal swift
Yeah, I'm just annoyed lol
jagged pier
🍝
teal swift
I want to do time walking with my alliance friends
🪼
One day my phone will support this emoji
😔
pale karma
I'm sure that's coming. There are a lot of technical limitations that they prob...
What technical limitation?
jagged pier
The game is 🍝 code
warm plinth
Spaghetti code that's 15 years old
It's the same reason why you have to be friends to invite cross faction to guilds or groups
They used a work-around
pale karma
Something like that is by design.
jagged pier
I meam its an over 20 year old code base
warm plinth
They never intended people to be able to play cross-faction
pale karma
There are no restrictions for characters moving around servers, or communication flowing cross faction.
jagged pier
That was build with servers and 2 factions as a basis
warm plinth
So they have to try to make it work
jagged pier
Its gunna be hard to unravel that
pale karma
Unravel what?
warm plinth
We just told you
They've said themselves that it's technical limitations preventing them from doing it all at once. That's why we also had cross-faction groups a patch before we had cross-faction guilds.
jagged pier
Okay u obviously dont understand software
warm plinth
If code they've been building on for almost 19 years says one thing, it's not as simple as flipping a switch to change it
pale karma
I've been playing the game since launch and I've been building cloud services for 14 years I'm asking for more detail than perhaps they've published.
The only reason I've heard is somethign to do with faction-specific versions of dungeons and quests.
(not sure if that's the "official" reason though)
warm plinth
Then send Ion an email and ask him. We don't have access to their source code in the warrior class Discord.
pale karma
I saw the topic come up and since it's Blizzcon I assumed there was some new news.
Nevermind, then.
warm plinth
No, the technical limitations speech was back when they first did cross-faction grouping and then again with cross-faction guilds.
And that's the explanation we got. It was not specific.
blazing condor
Seeing as we just had the professions rework and that we’re now gonna be delving into the core of azeroth, surely we will get more archaeology
warm plinth
what's archaeology
blazing condor
What made life worth it in 2012
sick sentinel
im still a bit sad that they didnt announce anything about d1 or wc1 2
other than that, most of it seemed alright, i didnt fully take in all the information from yesterday
opaque quest
RTS doesnt make money. Nobody buys skins in SC2. WC3 got refunded by 50% of ppl
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2012510/Stormgate/ Play this when it comes out. Its from the OGs that made SC and WC
sick sentinel
"WC3 got refunded by 50% of ppl"
the second result, "wc3r is a disaster", im not typing in something special, only the name of the game
i mean, who is that dude on the right some blonde dude i guess i dunno
and some old guy behind him
i dunno i think blizzard should go in and re touch the faces at the very least, thats the major fuck up imop
the starcraft and d2 re-boots went just fine, no idea what happened here
They don't even need to be re-boots or resurrected, just a basic port so it runs on windows 10
opaque quest
Just touch on the graphics like they did for D2 and SC1 and ill be happy
Thankfully og WC3 runs well under Win11
But blizz wants to sell skins and stuff
blazing condor
Archaeology RNG was pain
It was also pog when u did some common artifact and then u see the blue scarab rare as the next one
Like playing the casino
The only losing strategy is to stop playin
opaque quest
Next one will be zin rokh just keep going
You dont want to stop when the next one would be whatever you want
blazing condor
Idk why i love archaeology so mich considering i only did it in cata
Even in mop i was like ”they ruined it” cus they didnt add anything cool
opaque quest
I liked it too but only for a short time
Its cool when you need everything but when you only need troll artifacts and fly from strangle to arathi everytime its ass
opaque quest
Havent done Archa since MoP so idc anymore
I probably should tho. I sold my Uldum hand pet for 300k a few weeks ago
nimble skiff
This is a dumb question but I'm gonna ask it anyway since I need clarification, how do you do your first pull in let's say FH since there's a huge group of trash
Do you shield charge first to get shield block up right away? I feel like I'm missing something since charge alone isn't enough to get shield block up (charge gens 20 rage, shield block is 30)
I know I know, logs. I'm just asking how to start off first trash pulls cause I feel like I'm getting dicked on the first pull so I shield wall off the hop so my incoming damage is softened
I'm gonna run some m+ later today and get some logs
pallid quiver
This is a dumb question but I'm gonna ask it anyway since I need clarification, ...
Your very first pull in a dungeon should also have CDs available, so that's:
Ravager pre-charge
Avatar
Charge
At the bare minimum before you even touch the mobs
And particularly right now, with Bolster, you can obtain Shield Block on demand at any point LS is off CD
nimble skiff
Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong, not throwing ravager down before the pull
pallid quiver
you may not want to if you have to gather mobs
Avatar+Charge is enough for SB just by themselves
nimble skiff
Next season we won't have bolster to rely on, so that's partially why I'm asking
avatar generates rage?
nimble skiff
F me
pallid quiver
All the talents on that tier of the spec tree generate rage
nimble skiff
That solves it
pallid quiver
even shockwave
nimble skiff
God damn I'm fucking stupid, reading comprehension is at an all time low
pallid quiver
If you have enough problems hitting those on pull, you could make a macro that you'd only ever use specifically for starting a pull or something
Or you can just practice pressing buttons faster
nimble skiff
Yeah no I'm just stupid and not realizing avatar gens rage
That should fix my issue of charging in without shield block, god damnit
dusky canopy
Charge>avatar>LS>TC>demo>SC
Next tier replace LS with a SB charge
And of course throw IP casts in there as much as you need to prevent rage cap
I would ravager once all mobs are gathered for optimal damage
nimble skiff
That's what I've been doing with ravager. Blowing it when all mobs are grouped
I've also been using LS once mobs are grouped and seeing my HP spike, but I'll change what I do going forward
pallid quiver
LS should be used as close to CD as possible as long as you're swinging at mobs at all since it buffs SS damage
You can go back to using it like a normal defensive once you get tier next season
nimble skiff
That's something I'm getting better at doing. I need to remember to use shield wall on CD as well
pallid quiver
Shield Wall you don't want to use on CD, but you also don't want to just sit on it, either
That's actually the harder part of playing Prot War well is managing Shield Wall uptime
nimble skiff
One thing I've learned is sanguine sucks, but bursting is the worst. I have more group deaths this week than last because nobody holds off on dps and the healer can't keep the group up
I mean I survive, but the dps is a heckin riparoni
sudden grotto
bursting is one of those affixes which are easier as u go up in key levels
priests can mass dispell it so u have that
nimble skiff
Hmm I wonder if it's cause I was running 13-15s cause I need some wyrm tokens
Err 14-15
I did a 13 and it was a joke
sudden grotto
low keys are prone to have not as good players
higher keys usually have better players
a better player will usually handle bursting way easier than a worse one
sudden grotto
I did a 13 and it was a joke
difference from 13-15 isnt that big , though u most likely will have better players farming a 13 than a 15, since it s pmuch the same rewards they re after (if they re farming it) whilst mobs have less hp
u usually have people farm 11-13, 17-18, 20
(this season)
due to rewards breakpoints
nimble skiff
Makes sense. Also 13s don't get bursting which is a joke
dusky canopy
When a Key level becomes difficult is variable
A 13 to you might be piss easy
Just like a 20 is piss easy for others
sudden grotto
yes, but realistically the gap of damage intake/health pool of enemies from a 13-14-15 isnt the same as a 19-20-21
same % , way different values
this considering same ilvl , if u re way above ilvl required for a 13 then the gap is even bigger
hardy snow
Hmm I wonder if it's cause I was running 13-15s cause I need some wyrm tokens
you can buy lower tokens for higher ones, vendor is in loam niffen somewhere if I remember correctly
nimble skiff
I'm out of the currency for it, I gotta look up how to get it
In any case I don't mind running a few lower keys, it's practice to get my shit together and I enjoy the low pressure of it
hidden fractal
I have two questions, one on Last Stand and another on Shield Wall:
- I'm constantly sending Last Stand on cooldown this patch, treating it more as a rotational button thanks to tier set rather than a defensive CD button per se. With the loss of 10.1 tier set I suppose it becomes pressed as a defensive when needed in 10.2?
- In an M+ setting in 10.2 what are we expecting Shield Wall's effective CD to be? I'm thinking 2 minutes-ish but no numbers to back it up
ionic fern
I have two questions, one on Last Stand and another on Shield Wall:
1. I'm const...
1)Yes.
2)Depends on the dungeon and the downtime. ~1.5
sick sentinel
any chance we will be taking berserker whatever for fear in atal dazor
or like, i gues the hero talents come with 11.0
maybe ill take it, maybe not for that key
strong forum
SW CD can be as low as 55seconds
If you play well and consistently slam
But I guess average is closer to 1.5
drifting river
I don't quite get this bit. How do I get SB up without being in melee range?
ionic fern
You don't need to be in melee range to cast SB
blazing condor
You do it mid-charge
drifting river
But I need Rage to do so
blazing condor
You get rage from charge
strong forum
Ye
drifting river
wowhead has Ravager at the very end
blazing condor
Ideally you open with ravager before you even charge
Because it takes a second to deal damage
Also just good to have it up when u go in
So you dont waste a gcd trying to throw it down
blazing condor
But mwahi youre not a theorycrafter. Dont doubt nom
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
Anduin gonna get with Azeroth
lusty tiger
0_o
mellow harbor
.
unreal abyss
Does prot use skills like slam?
ionic fern
No.
unreal abyss
Generally I am trying to find slots for things like heroic throw, hamstring, slam, stormbolt, whirlwind
will I use any of them?
unreal abyss
I am starting to feel like Prot War has as many hotkeys as BrM 😄
unreal abyss
I am not even 70... 🥲
ionic fern
Haha.
unreal abyss
on BRM i had all these filled
ionic fern
Hamstring you can also remove.
And Rend you can remove once you get access to Blood and Thunder.
unreal abyss
and I normally play Prot Pal and BDK where I have things on 1-9 + c1-c6 max to c9 filled 😄
Will I get another skill that's going to be rotationally cast a lot? as I have one 1-9 slot ready for this
timber nest
does anything other than avatar buff beacon dmg? also does last stand shield block buff shield slam?
cerulean tusk
Versa, crit, and flat crit dam modifiers does buff beacon. So build max versa/crit for anvil/beacon dam 
Don't let your meme be a dream
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
I think it was 15 in 9.0.1 je
warm plinth
TC doesn't even know how much rage our spells give smfh
strong forum
Ye they nerfed avatar to 10 in beta
sick sentinel
use to be even more over powered
immune to magic dmg and only thing devs can suggest is "run away i guess"
warm plinth
what the fuck is that
toxic pewter
I hope when you hover over someone it will show
Protection Colossus Warrior
Or Colossus Protection Warrior
I think it would be cool to see them actually advertise which hero spec players are
sick sentinel
what the fuck is that
warm plinth
I think it would be cool to see them actually advertise which hero spec players ...
You're my hero spec
toxic pewter
You're my hero spec
sick sentinel
apparently a thane is one of those guys
they have thunderclap, storm bolt, and chance to stun on auto, and avatar
hardy snow
Wasn't it 15 in SL, Avatar was 20 back then
in SL it was 10 on rank 1 and 20 on rank 2 (level 14), with new talents in 10.0 changed to always give 20 if data on wiki is correct
strong forum
waxen orbit
Hello I awaken from a stress migraine
I dreamt of new dwarf lore, new Nerubian lore, steampunk humans, and the Mountain-Thane spec
It was a wet dream
toxic pewter
waxen orbit
Based and dwarfpilled expansion
balmy crow
dorf
teal swift
🪼
sick sentinel
our prot warrior leveling cant find his TC
nvm, he dont have enough points to grab it
wind oak
embellished item are still 486
just 3 ilvl lower than max mythic loot
and 10 ilvl lower than rare
chilly brook
I still think it’s stupid
Should just be same ilvl as max mythic loot outside of the rare/last few bosses
Just put a cap on the amount of crafted items you can wear at any one time….
torn gulch
yea a cap of 5 should be a thing especially now with upgrades to 489
chilly brook
No but the whole reason this even exists is because people and blizz talked themselves into thinking current system is an issue because people can have like 8 max ilvl crafted pieces or more this late into the season
silent vessel
lol nice shirt ian
sick sentinel
limpid estuary
What are our best trinkets for m+ in 10.2?
teal swift
why cant i be a rider of the apocalypse
Vulpera diff'd
silent vessel
ian comedy god
sick sentinel
well, warriors are, im not sure if a pwar can be slayer
teal swift
@strong forum am i missing something or will delves be casual friendly vault loot?
teal swift
Males sense
Gearing up is surprisingly difficult in wow
If you're giga casual boomer barely hands
The crafting was a great direction
Really alleviated that
opaque quest
Gearing up was free honestly. From 11s you get 437 ilvl with 441 from vault
Even a person with 1 hand and 2 fingers can do 11s
toxic pewter
Really alleviated that
Apparently world content will also contribute to vault loot also
opaque quest
World will replace pvp vault stuff
sick sentinel
Which is cringe
opaque quest
I wouldnt be opposed to some of the world quest trinkets
The shikaar hunting trophy for example is crazy
toxic pewter
? They making a fourth row
sick sentinel
Except it won't be as good of ilvl
toxic pewter
I swear they said they adding a row
sick sentinel
So fucking shitter questie crap replaces PvP gear
toxic pewter
Why would pvp not grant vault loot
sick sentinel
Because they are removing the pvp line on the vault
toxic pewter
Where you see that
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
Interesting
sick sentinel
So you get some shitty world quest garbage that you won't care about, instead of a Gladiator piece which can scale into at least a few weeks in
silent vessel
they removing the pvp row because they want pvpers to choose what item to get
and not have randomness
ebon geyser
So fucking shitter questie crap replaces PvP gear
good
silent vessel
you should have listened to the talk
you get more conquest and can just buy the gear you want
instead of vault
silent vessel
probably doenst even pvp
ebon geyser
im intrigued in how the world stuff will scale like up to heroic gear
silent vessel
toxic pewter
I haven’t had chance to watch any blizzcon from today
sick sentinel
im trying out a paladin and a priest a bit
boosted paladin
im not good at priest
ebon geyser
but we are the improve version of paladin
sick sentinel
i have more plate transmogs and it uses a shield
ebon geyser
We'll get ready to be a support tank and give blessings to everyone
torn gulch
I am ready to be a colossus protection warrior
inland raft
any reason to do a key or wait til next week?
silk kiln
Could push next week for a good starting key week 1 of season
jagged pier
I mean they gunna reduce by probably 10
Wouldnt be suprised if it more due to the jump in ilvl
glacial flint
I am ready to be a colossus protection warrior
thats arms+prot right mmmhh so maybe a glimpse of gladiator ? or something like execute becomes condemn 
jagged pier
Coloussus to me looks like it will empower avatar
From the name just cause avatar makes u bigger
glacial flint
from the name yeah.. but ill was thinking about which spells both speccs are having and prot gets dps benefit while arms defensiv gain at same time
hazy bronze
2H weapon with shield 🙏
jagged pier
Yer thats not happening
glacial flint
2H weapon with shield 🙏
thats the 4th specc gladiator rather in mind ... not for hero talents 
hazy bronze
Yer thats not happening
Yeah but it'd be cool if it did
glacial flint
Yeah but it'd be cool if it did
hoplomachus 🙏 some day
ebon geyser
i have more plate transmogs and it uses a shield
Once u learn that your job is give blessings you will be back
strong forum
But we will see in alpha
ebon geyser
Nom , what spec is anduin?
Warrior weapon but paladin abilities..smh
Warrior paladin when
sick sentinel
is there a pally discord too thats like skyhold i need help with the campaign
torn gulch
every class has one
ebon geyser
Hammer of wrath is the pally discord
ebon geyser
U can type in Google hammer of wrath paladin discord
sick sentinel
thanks im just lost on the campaign
i don't much like priest
but it gets me some tenders points
ebon geyser
I'm just not as young and quick to be playing the blessing game and giving them away... I played paladin very selfishly
strong forum
i will never be as young as i am and ive never been as old as i am right now
ebon geyser
Don't philosophy me nom
lusty grotto
toxic tiger
*when pre ordering the epic edition
toxic tiger
saaame
warm plinth
You can't do any end-game shit anyway so 🤷
opaque quest
You can't do any end-game shit anyway so 🤷
Thank god
warm plinth
Basically all it's gonna do is let you have a character or two at max level when it launches
which I assume RWF guilds will probably take advantage of but it means nothing for the majority of us
opaque quest
Ye idc. Raid is prolly gonna hit 2 or 3 weeks after launch at first
Ill be done in 4-5 days anyways
ebon geyser
Clear raid like 10 times and just sleep until next patch
opaque quest
If 10.2 isnt a banger ill get curve on day2 then unsub
D4 is getting even more updates this and next month
silver narwhal
Hello there!
I really want to get into tanking on my Warrior, but my question is: How do you find a guild as a tank?
lusty grotto
what do you want to do as content
silver narwhal
I'd like to push for CE.
lusty grotto
if your intention is to get a guild to mythic raid, then its going to be hard
you have to apply to every guild you see, but guilds usually have tank slots locked
silver narwhal
you have to apply to every guild you see, but guilds usually have tank slots loc...
That was my thought. With the locked slots.
lusty grotto
since the raid is only 2 tanks, it is typically harder for tanks to get a spot
your best bet is to learn fury or arms
and rise up the ranks, eventually to take over
silver narwhal
Yeeeah. That's not gonna happen, unfortunately.
lusty grotto
well your best bet is to wait on cross realm mythic and run with more casual guild groups
usually they might have set tanks
but a lot of times they do not
since we're this short to next season, it's going to be an uphill battle to get into CE pushing guilds
as a tank
best you can do is keep trying and see what lands
i would say a huge amount of people in this channel went through the fury/arms route until they locked the tank slot
its exceedingly common
so thats why i mentioned it
and of course it works
chilly brook
since we're this short to next season, it's going to be an uphill battle to get ...
I wouldn’t say that, usually this is the time to look
Lots of guilds have turnover in the tank position but it’s in between seasons
But yeah it’s more common to start as a dps and swap to tank when they need it
median tulip
and rise up the ranks, eventually to take over
This is how I did it from BfA onwards
lusty grotto
Lots of guilds have turnover in the tank position but it’s in between seasons
if they are in that position they arent very stable guilds though
so thats the problem
chilly brook
if they are in that position they arent very stable guilds though
I don’t really agree
Sometimes tanks just want to not tank
lusty grotto
well hes looking specifically for CE guilds
so thats how im looking at it
if its just prog through the entire season type of guild i get what youre saying
chilly brook
I’ve seen plenty of CE guilds that recruit tank spots between tiers
lusty grotto
yeah it happens
but hes looking right now
i suppose he can look for one and then move to another in between
chilly brook
Guild that I’m in that’s progging and almost killed sark is looking for next season
Because we’re having one tank step down
opaque quest
Time to get up Wowprogress and text every person thats a 9/9M guild leader lmao
Idk if youre a progress guild and havent killed 9 MM bosses in 6 months i wouldnt call that a stable guild
chilly brook
Idk if youre a progress guild and havent killed 9 MM bosses in 6 months i wouldn...
I mean it’s a one night a week guild
lusty grotto
yeah thats what i mean rooach
chilly brook
Seems pretty stable to me
opaque quest
Idk dude there are pugs that kill 7/9 every week in one evening
lusty grotto
i wouldnt call a guild stable if it has crippling roster issues
opaque quest
^
lusty grotto
and a tank leaving is a crippling roster issue
silver narwhal
well hes looking specifically for CE guilds
I meant to say that I want to push CE eventually. Long-term. Not !NOW!.
chilly brook
They have a stable roster though?
lusty grotto
i see
silver narwhal
I just don't want to soup around in Normal mode.
opaque quest
Get to pugging day one of the raid opening
chilly brook
Someone stepping down in between tiers isn’t instability
lusty grotto
well then you should follow through with what griff is saying
opaque quest
I got curve day 2 of the patch and got into every single group i wanted
silver narwhal
I want to play with people who knows what they're doing. I've been healing since '04. I am by no means a 100 parser, but I know my stuff.
opaque quest
Check WoWprogress. Most guilds still update there
chilly brook
and a tank leaving is a crippling roster issue
Even less crippling when people have expressed they’d be willing to do it if the spot needs filling
Like myself
lusty grotto
idk griff, you just got kicked from a guild didnt you?
chilly brook
I would prefer to stay Woahyer dps but I also don’t care if I tank
lusty grotto
i wouldn't call a guild wiith that sort of leadership stable
chilly brook
idk griff, you just got kicked from a guild didnt you?
Ironically yes a guild that I was leaving at the end of the tier regardless
opaque quest
lusty grotto
well yeah
chilly brook
But I’m not talking about that guild
strong forum
3 days early access for the new xpac when pre ordering
wdym you get to afk 3 days early!
its a steal!
chilly brook
I’m talking about the one I was moving to
strong forum
so gud!
opaque quest
wdym you get to afk 3 days early!
strong forum
but also epic edition is basically the same price as heroic edition
warm plinth
wdym you get to afk 3 days early!
Honestly the best part is you get to scope out the new run in circles place in the major hub
opaque quest
Ill buy the 90€ edition anyways. I just wont pre order it
strong forum
if you buy heroic you trolling
warm plinth
Yeah it's always like that; it's why I always get epic if I'm getting heroic anyway
chilly brook
wdym you get to afk 3 days early!
3 days to get m0s in so you can get ahead for reset!
lusty grotto
im a base edition andy
chilly brook
opaque quest
Ill have pre ordering idiots beta test and wait for day 1 patch
strong forum
3 days to get m0s in so you can get ahead for reset!
m0s wont be available until reset!
chilly brook
m0s wont be available until reset!
Kek
strong forum
its always like that
xpac releases on monday night
m0s open on wednesday
so like
theres absolutely 0 benefit to a 3day start
its gonna be the norm for new game releases
warm plinth
They've already said that you can't do endgame content
strong forum
to get "early access"
lusty grotto
yeah im not stressing over it
warm plinth
You can literally level and that's it
strong forum
right
sick sentinel
strong forum
GL with that
warm plinth
RWF raiders will probably all buy epic (though they probably would have anyway)
opaque quest
RWF probably have it bought for them by their sponsors
lusty grotto
but no i agree, its not worht stressing over... the problem is only if they somehow make it worse in the future
opaque quest
If ppl keep pre ordering like idiots they sure will make it worse
lusty grotto
i dont doubt it
opaque quest
But talking to ppl that pre order games in 2023 is like talking to a wall
lusty grotto
knotty venture
All tc have to buy epic for beta access lol
Most likely already bought epic anyways.
chilly brook
@lusty grotto does it make sense now?
lusty grotto
what does?
chilly brook
what does?
My explanation of the guild thing
lusty grotto
yeah it makes sense
chilly brook
TLDR got back into mythic raiding this tier. Was playing evoker, got a bit annoyed with class. Group needed a warrior because the warrior stepped down. Whole group wasn’t what I would call stable and didn’t let me swap. So I started raiding with a different group that’s one night a week and was just going to drop the other not stable guild but they did it for me.
chilly brook
No doubt some guilds are super unstable
opaque quest
TLDR got back into mythic raiding this tier. Was playing evoker, got a bit annoy...
Rollercoaster from beginning to end
sick sentinel
i've been wanting to have that bird for a long time
always liked the way it looks, even more than the horde one
chilly brook
Rollercoaster from beginning to end
This tier absolutely
But jokes on them
I took about 4 million of their gold in gamba before being shown the door
lusty grotto
maiden ravine
i've been wanting to have that bird for a long time
I'm so glad everyone can get it. I didn't realize how rare the scroll mounts were.
violet flume
its always like that
late to the convo but the wow economy sub is in shambles because 3 day is what will make you easy millions of gold
some people say its worth buying tokens to get in early and make gold tho
strong forum
i mean if youre loaded you dont give a fuck about spending 2.4mil gold to buy next xpac lol
violet flume
yeah probably
lusty grotto
if youre loaded you can just buy tokens and convert them into blizzard points and buy the thing
violet flume
like 5-10$ early access ok.. 60$
lusty grotto
🤷
toxic pewter
early access dont matter much not like the season or raiding will be open anyway
violet flume
i guess
toxic pewter
the biggest issue i see with the 3 days is professions and people can corner the market faster and get ahead of others to make more of that sweet, sweet new xpac gold
😛
violet flume
dont think ill be getting it, 60$ isnt that much for my but its the moral implication lol
hardy snow
the biggest issue i see with the 3 days is professions and people can corner the...
professions and market is my biggest concern, and I think they shouldnt do delayed access in WoW just because of that, im going to buy collector's edition anyway so I guess i can profit of it, but its bad for game imo
toxic pewter
Yeah that is what comes to mind when I think on it
hardy snow
they block all of shit so people cant grind too much to be ahead of others
and now they do something like that
warm plinth
Yeah idk if that'll be a thing. I hope not
Either way though, you can farm stuff and sell it early on
even if you can't level profs
toxic pewter
yah but time value of money is very important, especially at the start of an xpac
going to be wild
day 1 gold and progress is worth a lot more than day 4 thats for sure
warm plinth
you're day 1 gold
hardy snow
imagine you want to offer BS, you just startted because of standard edition
and you advertise on trade chat
and there is guy that have already better quality options that also advertise
toxic pewter
yeah LOL, "sorry I dont do business with day 4s'
hardy snow
you get no clients
toxic pewter
LOL
hardy snow
and if everything will be blocked then this early accesss have no point at all
toxic pewter
yes
hardy snow
there shouldn't be any ways to get ahead of others in any competition by buying more expensive version, whether its PvE, PvP, professions, ah trading or whatever
dusky canopy
3 days early access to the leveling sure I guess, but it will really really give the early access people a large advantage in the economy if they do that..
Horrible idea imo
strong forum
idk why youd do any economy shit before season even launches
hardy snow
even just leveling can be advantage, when the full release comes other folks will have to lvl up, while otherts will be already doing max lvl content, its not that big advantage as I guess you will be able to lvl up in few hours, but still
delayed access is fine in games that doesnt have such competition
strong forum
anybody buying shit from AH
before season
is stupid
prices are INSANELY inflated early on
like disgustingly
warm plinth
no I think it's more like being able to farm shit or level professions prior to launch
hardy snow
doesnt matter whether its stupid or smart, possible profit matters
warm plinth
so you get a jump on stuff
strong forum
again, if youre that tryhard about it
you have the gold lying around
to just buy it with tokens
to make your margins back
if youre random andy you wouldnt play the market anyway
hardy snow
there are alot of andys that want to play professions
strong forum
sure
and you can still do that
if youre "falling behind" because you didnt grind for 20hrs on day1
then you are a tryhard for it
im not saying its not a thing thats happening
but if you care THAT MUCH
to make extra gold day1/day2
you should just look into spending gold now
if you already have preordered normal version
just spend 700k gold and get the upgraded version
opaque quest
idk why gold matter so much to ppl in this game
strong forum
to make back your "millions"
opaque quest
If you need it buy a token or buy on G2G
strong forum
if anything
its better for people who are orentied to profession game that hard
cuz they have the gold to buy it
and make even more money
hardy snow
yea, advanced gold makers will profit of it
strong forum
yeah and if you arent that person
you arent that person anyway with or without access
cuz you aint going that hard
hardy snow
but casual andy that wants to lvl up his blacksmithing, make some first crafts and advertise on trade chat is going to be behind
opaque quest
Casual Andy doesnt need 3 mil gold in his bank
strong forum
cuz theyre just casual andy
if youre gonna be behind by 3 days because you didnt grind wow hard
warm plinth
Casual Andy doesnt need 3 mil gold in his bank
You don't put gold in the bank noob
strong forum
or if youre gonna be behind by 3days because you didnt buy the thing
opaque quest
You don't put gold in the bank noob
Mine is always pooled in my bank guild
strong forum
doesnt make a difference
warm plinth
sounds like you need warbands amirite
opaque quest
God yes
dusky canopy
Warbands when?
fallen timber
Hello
fallen timber
Paddington is my new favorite movie
opaque quest
CGI animal = private or none at all
opaque quest
When i heard warbands i thought we get another mission table
strong forum
cuz excess gear you can send to alts
hardy snow
I like this warbands login screen
strong forum
maybe ill play more alts actually
hardy snow
gonna have few warriors in matching outfits standing together
uneven mason
maybe ill play more alts actually
Gonna setup my Warriors in the various Xmogs
warm plinth
dusky canopy
Yeah I hear that, for me warbands sounded awesome until they clarified that it’s not combining all of the reps since vanilla
warm plinth
dusky canopy
Ghash has like 300 alts
warm plinth
we're almost done boys
opaque quest
warm plinth
I got one druid left who needs 5 levels and one evoker left who needs 4
and then I'm 40/40
warm plinth
monkatos
dusky canopy
A toon for every spec
warm plinth
dusky canopy
toxic pewter
earthen apparently 20-25% larger than dwarves
dusky canopy
Man’s a gamer I see
warm plinth
I did powerlevel the specless toon, full disclosure. Questing is impossible on that toon and I'm not about to ruin the day for random dungeoneers
dusky canopy
Specless honestly sounds kinda neat haha
warm plinth
The best part about finding a powerlevel was trying to explain to half of them why I can't turn war mode on
opaque quest
Looking at my teammates in 17s none of them have a specc either
warm plinth
You have a surprising number of abilities as a specless toon (priest anyway). They just do jack shit.
opaque quest
Is that why all the shadows ive seen this season do 50k overall
tardy delta
may sound weird but what r the only necessary skills to use i have 3 bars 1-9 for aggressive skills then alt 1-9 for gcds and shift 1-9 for defensive skills with high cd im new to wow and wanna learn prot warrior
lusty grotto
everything
mighty valley
We use everything in the spell book besides slam, whirlwind, and rend
warm plinth
Everything but whirlwind, slam, and rend will be used at some point.
mighty valley
There’s also a lotta keys that aren’t numbers that you can start binding as needed
Some are a lot more comfortable than 7-9 etc
opaque quest
I dont have harmstring on bars
tardy delta
Some are a lot more comfortable than 7-9 etc
true !!
tardy delta
We use everything in the spell book besides slam, whirlwind, and rend
thanks
any good prot beginner VIDEO u guys can recommend
opaque quest
Check Quazii
grim pilot
a wowhead guide and some streamers mentioned in faq should be enough
warm plinth
Videos in general are kinda bad. They're hard to update so a lot of times are out of date, and very few reputable players make them.
grim pilot
Just remember to keep shield block up at all times, don't face your enemies with your back, like ever. And for mitigation spam ignore pain. Rest is just priority list mentioned in the guide
lusty grotto
prot specific you want to read the icy veins and/or wowhead guides
opaque quest
Quazii 1 minute guides are goated
grim pilot
holy moly 26 pulls
this takes me back
to the start of s2
every bh tank had like gazillion of pulls there
pallid quiver
I did powerlevel the specless toon, full disclosure. Questing is impossible on ...
Shame; I actually wanted to drag Specless through dungs. Would have been amazing
rustic knot
tardy delta
Just remember to keep shield block up at all times, don't face your enemies with...
okey fam
toxic pewter
Ion farmed a lot of w’s today my god
Glad I stood by him through thick and thin
He my game director
lusty grotto
Glad I stood by him through thick and thin
even when he said they would keep both form of flying?
hardy snow
whats bad about it?
hardy snow
thats best solution they could make, people who like new flying will have it everywhere, people who didnt like it or arent good at using it will have old way to fly, win-win
lusty grotto
of course
toxic pewter
It’s not that big of a deal in the big picture
But yeah rather they just ditch tbc flying
Not an L though, I am on record standing up for Ion when many bashed him though. I’m proud of that track record
hardy snow
but why?
toxic pewter
Wat u mean why
hardy snow
why they should ditch tbc flying?
toxic pewter
It just dilutes the experience of flying duh lol
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
Yeah but now I gotta wait for some loser afk flying to meet me somewhere
It’s just bad
hardy snow
tbc flying just stays as an option for people who dont like or struggle using dynamic
lusty grotto
apb some people get motion sickness by dragonflying
toxic pewter
It also has more design implications im too lazy to get into right now
lusty grotto
so if they remove tbc flying, how would you deal with that?
toxic pewter
Yeah they can take flight path and then just ride to destination or walk
I will wait for them sure if they have some sort of accessibility situation
lusty grotto
you dont know that about any pug unless you ask
toxic pewter
Ok, I change my mind I am ok with tbc flying
lusty grotto
hardy snow
if waiting for someone is the issue, dont forget that if they would be forced to dynamic and struggle using it, you would wait even longer so they can regen energy charges XD
opaque quest
They could remove vigor and tbc flying together and fix all issues :>
lusty grotto
tbf
i think they said you could toggle it or something
would be clunky if you have to land and remount into another mount or something idk
secretly hoping thats the case but we will see
toxic pewter
I assume it will need to be done at town…
opaque quest
Im hoping they remove races and vigor honestly
Anything else i am indifferent about
hardy snow
I can understand wish to remove vigor, but why races?
opaque quest
I am pretty sure races are the reason for vigor
toxic pewter
They’re making new@l evergreen system. More vigor will carry over but certain things will remain just for dragon isles or
opaque quest
If they remove vigor outside of races idc
toxic pewter
Vigor isn’t going away
But the needing to go around and getting the emblems or whatever they’re called is going away
opaque quest
Dragon glyphs
hardy snow
no, vigor is base of dynamic in this flying type, so you have to work on flying fast
toxic pewter
Yes glyphs
opaque quest
Guild wars also has dynamic flying without vigor tho
toxic pewter
I’m pretty sure Ion today said vigor staying
opaque quest
Will probably get more than 6 tho. Not that we need more in practice but i wanna be lazy but go fast at the same time
toxic pewter
Yah fair enough I can see more than 6 happening too would be cool with me
hardy snow
10.2 will give us some additional recharge of vigor, I wont be surprised if they increase limit in 10.2.5 or .7
opaque quest
But long CD :/
toxic pewter
Is the cd still going to be there
toxic pewter
They said druid travel flight form will work and dracthyr also can fly in dragon form
lusty grotto
i think they wont have a cd
toxic pewter
Ya cd going away
hardy snow
just change them to Drakonids and lets all pretend they were like that from the very begining 😄
opaque quest
Perma visage when
hardy snow
fuck i forgot today is daylight savings time
it was week ago (at least in my country)
teal swift
To bad dracthyr are still lizarthyrs and ugly af
I like them
opaque quest
NA being behind the curve again tsk
lusty grotto
gotta get rid of it, fuck DST
hardy snow
cool to know, I thought its quite global to change at last sunday of october
opaque quest
Which would make sense but no. DST sucks in general lets make it worse by having different countries have them in different months
hardy snow
in EU according to surveys 80% of people wants to stop changing time, yet officals dont change law in that matter 😐
democracy at its finest
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
opaque quest
To busy fighting over whos a nazi and who isnt
teal swift
Which would make sense but no. DST sucks in general lets make it worse by having...
Or not at all
Some states in USA don't have dst
hardy snow
Some states in USA don't have dst
so there are states that on one half of year have same hour, and on other half of year they have 1hour diff because only some changed?
teal swift
so there are states that on one half of year have same hour, and on other half o...
Yes
Arizona and hawaii
Old raid leader was from Arizona dst was a scheduling nightmare
hardy snow
thats too messed up, even for US with their unit systems etc. XD
teal swift
Yeah
Dst has been proven to be bad for pretty much everything. I'm not sure why it's still a thing. Logistics of removing it are tough, but shouldn't be impossible.
China hasn't had dst in 30 years
opaque quest
Removing it would result in 1 day of chaos and then never again
Right now we have chaos twice a year every year
teal swift
That awkward moment when China has better abortion rights than USA
And doesn't have dst.
C'mon America atleast Yeet dst, you managed to repeal abortion protections and let states equate it to murder.
You can fucking remove dst
😔
opaque quest
Cause baker rythm
strong forum
Valid
opaque quest
Gonna head out in 20 mins
silk kiln
Hawai’i person here. It’s very weird and I always forget dst is a thing
And I have to sometimes check if pst is 2 hours or 3 hours ahead 
teal swift
south jackal
so wowhead says 10.2 drops on the 7th, but season 3 starts on the 14th? WoW's twitter says everything on the 7th? we gettin new M+ tuesday or nah?
pallid quiver
Hawai’i person here. It’s very weird and I always forget dst is a thing
How much would it cost to be a hawabum?
silk kiln
A lot
teal swift
so wowhead says 10.2 drops on the 7th, but season 3 starts on the 14th? WoW's tw...
Link the tweet
south jackal
south jackal
ah shit i can't read. id assume so
was just looking at the actual text, not the picture
teal swift
Ah ok
I'm assuming m+ is bundled with raid, but it doesn't discuss S3 start date lmao
lusty grotto
so wowhead says 10.2 drops on the 7th, but season 3 starts on the 14th? WoW's tw...
no
m+ is when the season starts
current mythic + pool will remain kind of
so you should be able to run the current season dungeons if you want
after tuesday
toxic pewter
Whoa method played prot warr in that m+ showcase at blizzcon
teal swift
That's because they were bribes obviously