protection

[teal swift]

First boss temple of sethralis for example

Idk if we've gotten any irrationally nonsensical reflectable spells since bfa

[untold tangle]

I agree. Its the one in HoI specifically I couldnt figure out tbh, and then I though, well maybe theres one for boss abilities

[teal swift]

But it's hard to logic them

[blazing condor]

yeah just tank the knockback and then you do big dam

[teal swift]

Reflecting frontal conal projectiles but only if it's targeting someone who isn't you

[untold tangle]

Or the one at the end boss of VP, I believe you can reflect the circle thing as well. Its not always as obvious.

[teal swift]

Did they make spellreflext easier to Intuit?

[blazing condor]

yeah you can reflect the chain lightning - i agree

its just "you gotta learn it"

[teal swift]

Because some of them were insanely weirdge

[blazing condor]

by looking at the spreadsheet

[teal swift]

Oh we got spreadsheet still

[pallid quiver]

There's some swirlies in the game that you can reflect/deflect as well, too, so the real key is to just get hit by everything with SR up and find out

[teal swift]

Nvm

Map

[untold tangle]

To reflect the one in VP, do I just stand in someones circle and press SR, or does it only work when its targetted at me?

[blazing condor]

it wont target you

so you gotta run into another persons circle

and SR

[untold tangle]

ok, cool thanks

well then I won t need the wa as I now know which ones to reflect and how

[blazing condor]

yeah

just look up the spreadsheet and learn

[untold tangle]

I just checked out the WA and its fucking huge.

[teal swift]

Lmaoooo

@sweet summit

Cat loves dad chair

[sweet summit]

:3

[teal swift]

From the 6 tanks

Can we list them easiest to hardest? Surely some other tanks are less punishing and easier to pilot than others. Cough prot paladin

[daring marlin]

easiest? Prot Warrior is prolly one of the two easiest

[ember tangle]

i think it kinda depends on the content

druid is probably the lowest barrier to entry into reasonably difficult content, but they can struggle at the start of pulls in m+ if you aren't careful

warrior doesn't really struggle on pull because shield block is so easy to get up, but we have to learn which mobs will truck us with a bleed

dk can be kinda hard to learn IMO, but the nature of the damage you take matters less

ez to flop over as a DK

[oblique garnet]

Warrior = Druid -> Ppala-> BDK -> VDH -> Monk

[daring marlin]

based late

what a chad lad

[oblique garnet]

Hate monk

So gcd capped all the time

RJW is the worst designed spell in the game and ill fight anyone who says otherwise

[teal swift]

Monk feels so good in raid and sooooooo bad in keys

[ember tangle]

i hate the dumb tiger statue the most tbh

although rjw is a close second

[bleak breach]

Difficulty to play no tank is really hard to play. It’s just some are better then others, which makes things easier.

As you said Yuzu monk good in raid, but feels odd in dungeons.

Druid people say is easy because it excels in both.

[oblique garnet]

Well and the fact that the rotation is extremely easy

[bleak breach]

Yes, but I mean most tank rotations are very trivial

[teal swift]

BDK has so many layers of resources, that I'm inefficient with them, but keys still go well

[bleak breach]

Did they change Druid much? I don’t even look at them to be honest. Do they still use heaps of spells?

[daring marlin]

bone shield is the lamest shit

[bleak breach]

BDK fairly easy, even bad players can be nearly immortal.

Not saying you’re bad lol

[teal swift]

No, I'm fucking abysmal and am playing it about as poorly as humanly possible

[daring marlin]

Can literally say the same about any class except maybe monk

[bleak breach]

Found it really weird seeing guardian use half the boomy rotation.

[teal swift]

But content still going smooth up to like 17s

[daring marlin]

Warrior(currently) is way easier than bdk

Keep up shield block

[bleak breach]

I honestly have never found any class all that difficult

[daring marlin]

The classes are super dummy

cuz muh raid fights

[bleak breach]

Like people told me Ele shaman hard, but you literally just hit whatever flashes on most classes and maybe download a WA and you’re fine.

[teal swift]

Like, if I don't log, bdk is easy and all this content is getting smashed

I look at the log

[bleak breach]

Just log nothing and be happy in denial

What you don’t know can’t hurt you

[mortal brook]

heck yeah!

[teal swift]

Like, feelsy wise the keys are going well

But once I analyze the gameplay

Holy fuck I'm bad

[bleak breach]

Keys can be difficult, especially when learning. Like in a raid you get a lot of repetition so eventually you get a flow going, but pack to pack you can miss a lot

I think one of the big things in keys is not using enough cds, that’s what I notice when I look at my own stuff. Like in raid you hold them for situations, but I sometimes forget in a key I nearly have them for every pack anyway.

[blazing condor]

yeah underusage of defensive CDs is a big thing

[teal swift]

Raid is easy as fuck orange parses all day

Keys not so much

[teal swift]

I feel like I over use defensives

[oblique garnet]

theres no such thing

[bleak breach]

Can never over use

Only if you don’t have them when you need the@

[blazing condor]

if you waste a cd when u didnt need it then die cus u didnt have it maybe

[oblique garnet]

i guess well panic pressing everything is overusing

[blazing condor]

but otherwise no such thing

if you had to use a cd to survive

its not a waste

[teal swift]

Hey it's me lul

But I try to just send one CD at a time

[bleak breach]

Raid is easy to learn patterns, but I also find you can get away with more mistakes in keys.

[teal swift]

Raiding has always been easy for me idk

[bleak breach]

I think the worst thing with keys is just other players

You can do everything right yourself and get let down by the group.

[teal swift]

Last time I raided

Like I'm not great

I just think raid tanking is mindlessly easy

[bleak breach]

Anything purple or above is good

[daring marlin]

[teal swift]

My nerzhul kill I was dead for like 15 at the end

Should've been 90+

But yeah, for me, raid tanking is just copying lorrgs

[blazing condor]

anything over 50 is above average

[teal swift]

And managing resources

Lorrgs is fucking based

[bleak breach]

So you don’t raid anymore

[teal swift]

I used the shit out of it in shadowlands

[teal swift]

I just came back to woe

[bleak breach]

Ahh okay

[teal swift]

After break from s2 sl

[bleak breach]

I skipped shadowlands

[teal swift]

That was around the time I quit

Just came back 2 weeks ago

Got my ksm, am just coasting rm

[bleak breach]

Didn’t hate BFA but I quit then, just sort of fell out of love. Then somehow came back around 10.0.5

[daring marlin]

You fool!

[bleak breach]

I mostly raid, thinking of going Ce next tier, but I’ve got too many kids and it’s time consuming.

[balmy crow]

You didn't miss much
Except castle nathria which was top tier

[blazing condor]

first patch was dope

for the first half year

[teal swift]

From someone who's never gone for CE. It's not hard.

Don't get attached if you feel the guild won't get it

Jump ship

[blazing condor]

its a lot of time if youre not in a good guild

[teal swift]

Yesh

[blazing condor]

many guilds raid 3x a week and are just now getting their CE

[teal swift]

The hardest part is finding the guild to get CE with

CE itself isn't hard lol

[blazing condor]

thats like 3-4 hours x 3 for 25 weeks or smth

[bleak breach]

My guild has 2 CE teams, aiming for 4 next tier

[blazing condor]

mega guild

[bleak breach]

They only raid 2x a week 2.5 hours

I think their top group does 3 days

But it’s more just the effort and behind the scenes stuff that I don’t have time for.

Like most CE guilds requiring x amount of keys a week and other random stuff. I just like to turn up to raid on Sunday lol

[bleak breach]

Yeah they’re massive, I’m just in a group that does Aotc and a day per week of mythic once we get Aotc, but as you can imagine there’s differing levels of players in the group so we eventually hit a wall or the roster boss because people get disheartened.

[teal swift]

I wanna find a 5 day a week 3-4 hour a day mythic raiding guild

[jagged pier]

They do not require x amount of weeks a week thats just false

[teal swift]

I don't really wanna slow prog 2 days a week

[bleak breach]

Do what?

[teal swift]

Guilds that struggle to maintain a dedicated roster focused on gearing up, tend to require keys and shit so their raiders actually get geared, good guilds players do whatever

[jagged pier]

X amount of m+ a week

[teal swift]

Great guilds unleash the splitraids

[bleak breach]

Ohhhhh you said weeks a week, I thought I had made a typo but hadn’t.

[bleak breach]

The dreaded split raid

[rich wyvern]

Sounds like a burnout any% speedrun to me ngl

[blazing condor]

did they change how m+ dungeons scale per level now

for this season rn

like whats the diff between a 20 and a 21

[oblique garnet]

Ones a 20 the other one is 21

🙂

The actual scaling % is w/e because people dont understand math

[blazing condor]

thanks late

found it

[teal swift]

Wdym

I already casually play 8 hours a day on a light day

[rich wyvern]

Ye but

Is that 8 hours all wiping on mythic bosses?

[teal swift]

I don't mind that kind of schedule

It works for me

But I can't really find a guild with a. Loaded schedule

[rich wyvern]

Aight, whatever floats your boat ig

[teal swift]

And 2-3 day doesn't interest me

[rich wyvern]

I think it’s bc you’re unique in wanting to wipe on mythic for that long repeatedly

Gotta take breaks Yekno

[teal swift]

Why, put in 5-6 weeks of prog

And be done

[limpid ruin]

Ya perma prog is a nightmare to me now

[teal swift]

Ain't no way you're pegging 3-4 months in with a 20 hour a week raid schddule

[hardy snow]

if you need 200 pulls on a boss, you gonna need 200 anyway, doesnt matter whether you do them in one week or in one month

[teal swift]

Heavy schedules get the kills, go down to lighter schedule

[teal swift]

Rather do them in a week

Lol

Faster prog = chillin rest of tier

[limpid ruin]

I’ve gotten CE last week two tier in a row before . I can’t go back

[teal swift]

Grats on CE, that's a lot of stressful raiding

It's be nice to y'know

Not be permanently progging

Imagine an extra day or two a week and you have 2+ months of relaxing reclear

[hardy snow]

yea I know, its personal preference, I was more talking about that "wanting to wipe for that long", like you gonna have these wipes anyway

[teal swift]

It's really taxing to never get to stop progging

[hardy snow]

stretching them to more weeks doesnt change that you will wipe

[teal swift]

So I'd rather cram it all in

[teal swift]

Yeye

[sick sentinel]

WTB wood chopping skill secondary profession and other GIGACHAD type stuff

[teal swift]

Go back to WoD

Go cut trees there

[hardy snow]

WoD classic when

[sick sentinel]

no, a real wood cutting, and fix arch

[teal swift]

Gdkp already runs rampant

Wait for gold print xpac

Loool

[hardy snow]

nah im kidding, i dont give a f about classic, Ive played it for 15 min when it first came out and had enough, Ive played wotlk to get mount from promo

but couldnt do that in one run, had to spread over a week

[teal swift]

I liked p1 and p2

The leveling, gearing uo

Getting into raid was fun

Then it's just bleh

[dusky canopy]

I like the idea of a forced reset again and doing classic+

But idk how much I’ll actually like it

[teal swift]

Worked for osrs

[dusky canopy]

They could also just start classic+ at the end of the wrath cycle instead of doing cata. Maybe that’d be better

[teal swift]

Game took a negative turn for me

With xserver shit

Like wotlk I touching group finder for dungeons

[dusky canopy]

I kinda just want a forced reset honestly

[teal swift]

Bc Introducing heroic dungeons

I want a forced reset to classic, and rebuild from thete

[dusky canopy]

Same I think that’d be pretty good

[teal swift]

Every expansion after classic added worse and worse systems

Like the cross server lfg for dungeons, fuck no

Make people find groups in tradechat

But then again gdkp ruined everything for most xpacs

[strong forum]

That's why arpgs survive, seasonal resets

[teal swift]

Diablo 2 LoD MVP for replayability and longevity

I know people who are still playing d2lod and didn't move to d2r lul

[dusky canopy]

They could copy and paste the retail version of premade group finder. Just not lfr or dungeon finder.

[strong forum]

They're just stuck in the past, good for them tho if they can enjoy that

[dusky canopy]

I’d also be happy with re balancing classes for classic as well

Maybe optimizing talent trees etc

[teal swift]

I really think they need to

1. Remove tokens from classic
2. Ban gdkp and enforce it. (It'll still happen behind closed doors)
3. Stick with design philosophies that made mmos 1999-2005 so amazing.

[dusky canopy]

Keep it simple 1-3 button rotations but make the classes do more damage

[plush tendon]

Meh, nothing wrong with GDKP

[teal swift]

It heavily incentives RMT, botting, and other things that are economy crippling

[plush tendon]

And it’s a opt in anyways; people run MS>OS and GDKP

[teal swift]

Notice the gold economy from classic p1-3 to wotlk.

Just make gdkp unallowed, make people run that shit in the fringes.

[dusky canopy]

They will never remove bots completely, unfortunately

[teal swift]

The economy felt good

In early classic.

[plush tendon]

the issue is, whatst the logic behind banning GDKP; its essentially people raiding and then buying items with gold

would the rule be 'cannot buy items with gold in a raid group?"

that sounds silly

[teal swift]

Idk, make it arbitrary idc lmao

[nimble skiff]

Gdkp works for pugs truthfully

[plush tendon]

works extremely well for pugs

and, it incentivizes people to raid even when full geared as carrys

[dusky canopy]

I might be more of a loaner with this take but I really dislike wasting my 2-3 hours of gameplay everyday farming gold. I’d rather be grinding dungeons/raids/ or bgs for fun
So I personally don’t mind the wow token or bots making everything dirt cheap because it makes the way I want to play the game easier

[plush tendon]

using the wow token in Wrath classic is meh

4k is nothing

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah it’s not worth it at current price

[nimble skiff]

Is that all it gets you?

[plush tendon]

the Economy in Wrath is actually fucked; but its not cause of GDKP, but the other listed reasons of RMT and gold farming/botting

[teal swift]

Is the strat still go like saronitr around winter grasp, vendor bars, buy tokens?

[nimble skiff]

Damn dude. I got 1mil retail for 4k gold in wotlk when I stopped

[plush tendon]

the strat is to get in a in with your friends GDKP guild and get a 40k payout after one night

thats the strat

[teal swift]

Lmao

Nty

Work rsids kinda sucked

Well half

Icc was fun

Ulduar was fun

[plush tendon]

but its also awesome for me; im still a little rat in Wrath, but i want to be able to run GDKPs and make gold.... to exchange for retail gold

[teal swift]

Naxx was mid and toc was shiiiiit

[dusky canopy]

The economy is absolutely trash in classic because of the bots

So gold there is bloated

[nimble skiff]

What are you gonna do

[plush tendon]

Ill swear though, the wrath classic community is the most toxic and vile group of people I have ever had the misfortune of playing with

[nimble skiff]

The classic community*

Fixed it for you

[plush tendon]

Wrath Classic

Hardcore community from my experience is good, and I dont know about Classic Era servers tbf

[teal swift]

You cannot fix the botting and RMT issue with the workforce blizzard wants

It's skeleton crew for everything

[nimble skiff]

The classic community is a lot of toxicity tbqh. The ones who played 2019 classic went thru tbc and wotlk

[teal swift]

Need dedicated teams and people. Look what they did to the CS department

[nimble skiff]

Hardcore is separate

[teal swift]

I wonder if hardcore TBC is coming

Or hardcore wotlk

Lmao

[plush tendon]

that boat has already left the dock tbh

[teal swift]

Yeah they'd need to rehire

[plush tendon]

its too late for classic servers

it just is what it is

[teal swift]

And double down on kt

Yeah for classic+ though

[strong forum]

I don't think you'll see hc tbc/wrath

[plush tendon]

that would be crazy

[dusky canopy]

I don’t think so either

[teal swift]

Same, raiding was made to wipe LOL

[plush tendon]

I would be terrified in TBC dungeons if it was hardcore

so much BS in there

[strong forum]

Cuz the whole point of hc classic is that leveling is the game

[teal swift]

The pyramid of corpses it'd take to get through ulduar alone LOL

[dusky canopy]

Hardcore vanilla makes sense

Nothing past that

[strong forum]

And leveling in tbc and wrath is a much much much smaller part of the game

(also why they're better)

[teal swift]

Different

Not better imho

Not worse eirher

[strong forum]

Mobile games are better than classic wow if you ask me

[teal swift]

Just a different game with similar engine

[teal swift]

Good thing..
We didn't ask

[strong forum]

1 button gaming WOOOOO

[nimble skiff]

Classic levelling is not everyone's cup of tea, and that's okay

[strong forum]

1 mob gaming WOOOOO

[dusky canopy]

Yeah classic leveling is very boring

[teal swift]

Excuse me? I had to hit recklessness every 30 minutes

[dusky canopy]

Don’t disagree with that at all

[strong forum]

Like, it's great that people enjoy classic

But it ain't stopping me from making fun of classic

[teal swift]

You ever do a 6 hour molten core rai d? Kill boss use reck, log out to keep world buffs and reset 30minute reck xD for next boss

Parse run went brrr

[strong forum]

I did 4hrs MC back in wod

During the event

[nimble skiff]

Classic levelling is the best when you're drunk and/or on other substances (idk if this is allowed to mention)

But kicking back and relaxing on an easy game that doesn't need a lot of brainpower is enjoyable for me at times

[strong forum]

Just to get that stupid mount

[teal swift]

Nomer come give me hug

You deserve hug for your mountslut

[plush tendon]

there are certain things about classic leveling that were fun

some dungeons are just iconic

and soloing Cyclonian at level 35 is such a feat

[nimble skiff]

Also hi nomer. I used your parry strat in 21 uld last night and parried some filthy casuals and got my KSH last night. Pretty hyped

[strong forum]

Based

[plush tendon]

otherwise.... the auto attack->Rage spender every 10 seconds is : ^)

[dusky canopy]

Warlock for classic

[teal swift]

I was a warrior, I had a lot of fun

[dusky canopy]

Or rogue for world pvp ganks

[nimble skiff]

Now I'm done till next season so I can run some 17s/18s and work on my UI for serious tanking next season

[plush tendon]

both wrong

[uneven mason]

Because even if you die your dots will kill them

[plush tendon]

the correct answer is always warrior

[strong forum]

Fomo is hell of a drug

[nimble skiff]

I need a shield block WA, any suggestions? I didn't see one in a pin

[teal swift]

Fomo ruins my experience in wow

[strong forum]

Just get mine

[dusky canopy]

Warrior for gigachad raiding

[strong forum]

Fomo is almost exclusively why I play

[teal swift]

I need to find a way to track my shield block time

[strong forum]

Love exclusive locked away stuff

[teal swift]

How many mop cm sets

I only got two

[nimble skiff]

Where can I find it?

[teal swift]

Dk and rogue

[blazing condor]

shameless self plug

[nimble skiff]

Ballsy move calling out the parry god himself

[uneven mason]

We're all parrygods, nom is just the only one that wears the obnoxious orange shirt with the logo

[teal swift]

I have a warrior hud kicking around

[uneven mason]

We had a war in here last night that was running like 120 WA

[nimble skiff]

I just need some weak auras set up to track shield block and maybe some other stuff

[teal swift]

https://wago.io/jOtDa33NP

Try this, it's pretty basic shit

Rage bar + IP bar

Nothing fancy, boomer text size

Cause my eyes are shit

Rage bar is helpful IP bar is helpful, I'll add a shield block bar later

[nimble skiff]

Yeah I have an IP tracker but I need a shield block one

[uneven mason]

You know, I can't read a fucking food label but have no issues with tiny text on my UI elements

[teal swift]

Lul

https://wago.io/2V-E4JMiz

This is my Aug hud

Tracks might, essense, essense burst, and looks cute lmao

I like cute colours xD

[nimble skiff]

Does everyone and their roommate have an Aug? I skipped aberrus and don't have an evoker levelled at all

[teal swift]

Yes

It's the #1 DPS for keys

#2-5 don't exist

Start at #6 for the second best dps

https://wago.io/hrm5mKVwM

Man looking at my buds lul

You can tell I design with a very particular look

[uneven mason]

Literally don't have a dracthyr

Can't be warrior, can't be fucked to care

[strong forum]

0

[teal swift]

Rip your fomo

[blazing condor]

i got 3 mop portals

[strong forum]

No that's why I like fomo

I don't have em

That's okay

They're cool, I didn't commit to getting them

[teal swift]

I like the dk set a lot

[strong forum]

Yeah dk pally and warrior are insane

[teal swift]

I'm glad I have it

Paladin in ToS Mythic is fine

Warrior no replacement

Rogue looks good

And dk looks insane

[blazing condor]

holy vulpera

[uneven mason]

Kill the rats

[nimble skiff]

Should I just eat the tornados in m+? Last night I ran a VP and tried to avoid them and I almost died cause I think I accidentally let shield block drop for a second. I know my IP dropped off a lot cause of the tornado dance

[blazing condor]

i mean depends on what you do

sometimes its good to soak tornados before certain abilities so people dont die

but on like the first boss in VP you probably dont wanna go out of your way to eat all tornados

in case you get hit by ground clutter

its about timing it

[sick sentinel]

black friday comin, might get 4070, might not

that or motherboad cpu ram but nah

[nimble skiff]

Let me rephrase; should I not bother to reposition the trash to avoid tornados and whatever hits me, hits me

[uneven mason]

What's your current bottle neck?

[blazing condor]

same there there's no real hard rule it depends on what mobs would do

but i never really move away

i soak if anything

but if theres a lot of tornados and there's a tough spell coming through maybe itd be better to get away

[uneven mason]

4070 needs to drop another 200$ to be worth the money

Since it's legitimately the 4050 with that 192-bit memory bus

[uneven mason]

Also yogi, don't buy stuff on black Friday without checking price trends

Most retailers just jacked their prices by 10-15% so they can discount them and make it look like a deal

[sick sentinel]

10-15% sale isnt a sale imo

thats about how much sale tax costs

i have, 5600x, 3070, 64 gb ddr4 ram

so, gpu doesnt require new motherboard which requires new ram, to put in new cpu

(am5)

maybe at worst a new psu, or case, and those items are evergreen, they never go bad or old unless you smash them

[uneven mason]

You're not going to see big gains from using a 4070 over the 3070, basically the same card minus dlss3. Biggest long-term gain would be popping a 5800x3d in that am4 slot

[sick sentinel]

+4 gb vram, newer tech

4080 or even 4070ti begs that i get a slightly biger psu

[teal swift]

What are you even playing

That needs that kinda hardware

Jfc

[sick sentinel]

more like 1440p content at 144hz (120 realistically)

[teal swift]

My 1080 drives 3x, 1080p.monitors and 5 instances of wow

At like 120fps

[sick sentinel]

and second monitor

1440p 120 hz is ALOT of data

and so i get fucked if i try to also tell it to load all 8gb vram

120fps + when it works, is bis

and, just, 60 fps solid garunteed never dips below 59 ever, is amazing also

50 fps = yogi rage

source

rdr2

still mad

[uneven mason]

4070 isn't newer tech, it's literally the 3080 but with 60% less bus

4000 series is a cash grab dumpster fire for gullible people

[sick sentinel]

its still like, 20% faster than 3070 i have

[uneven mason]

You'll be sadly disappointed if you think that's true

[sick sentinel]

i watched loads of videos on yt fps comparisons

[uneven mason]

It's at best a 5% generation jump

[uneven mason]

Were they using dlss 3

Because that's the only time the 4000 cards gain, is with franegen

Which, there Will be franegen soon enough for the 3000 cards

Ironically from AMD

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXrmjuliX8

yeah i watched something like this i think, probably this video

but like, 1070, 22 fps, 4070, 101 fps

like, thats 4 times over

[uneven mason]

Imagine having massive gains over 5 generations

[sick sentinel]

u mean 4 right

thats 4

1 2 3 4 070

[uneven mason]

1600 was a thing

Yup

1660 super was originally tagged the 1670

Just like the 4070 is actually the 4060

[sick sentinel]

yeah, 63celcious for 80fps compared to 71c for 25 fps in cp2077

like, i mean, it speaks for itself

[uneven mason]

Because universally the 70s have used a 256bit bus(since the gt 600s)

[sick sentinel]

how does that work

4070 is a 406

wtf

[uneven mason]

Nvidia shifted the names to the right, so they can charge higher prices for the weaker parts

They tried to be even worse but the backlash

Was too great for even them

When they tried to release the 4070 ti as a 4080

[sick sentinel]

well, i would like 4070ti, but it needs psu probably

i could probaly do it on one i have, but i'd feel better if i had 850 psu instead of 750

[blazing condor]

is cloak still necessary for nyalthoa

[uneven mason]

Probably

[teal swift]

Good thing I'm playing a game from 2004

[uneven mason]

Engine was revamped in WOD and SL added raytracing

[strong forum]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Well raytrsced shadows

[strong forum]

You will get Auto MC'd by nzoth if you don't have cloak on

[teal swift]

I still get like 120fps

With my shitty 1080

[blazing condor]

wonder if they intend on keeping it like that

i played the first like 2 weeks of 8.3

[uneven mason]

1080 is Nvidia's biggest regret

[blazing condor]

so my cloak is dog

[teal swift]

How come lol

[uneven mason]

Because it was too good

[teal swift]

I got it like 6 years ago or some shit

It's honestly just super solid

Dursble

Runs cool

[uneven mason]

Yeah it's still showing up on benches vs 4000 cards

[teal swift]

Runs everything I need well

And does 3x 1080p monitors

LOL

I guess I got lucky

[grizzled nova]

definitely overcharging for it and they're definitely abusing past naming schemes to double down on that, but the cards independent of that aren't a dumpster fire

[teal swift]

Plus my card seems healthy should be able to stretch it's life out to like 2030

Before needing to upgrade.

[uneven mason]

When performance per dollar is half of the previous Generation that's a dumpster fire

[grizzled nova]

The 4000 series is obscenely power efficient - yes you can ram them up to inefficient speeds for questionable gains, but the raw perf per watt especially at tamer levels was a massively leap over the 3000 series.

[uneven mason]

Also underhandedly trying to force upgrades by artificially locking franegen to the 4000series when even back to the 1000series could use it

[teal swift]

IDR IF MINES FSCTORY CLOCK

or if I underclocked by 5%

[toxic pewter]

do people still overclock their gpu

[gritty ether]

Guys idk if you crafted anything on the PTR but about a month ago I did some heroic testing and as a joke crafted the weird shield helmet

And it did as much as my IP during the fights

[uneven mason]

You can, not really needed with all the various scaling tech, and GPU are capable of bottlenecking on the cpu

[uneven mason]

This is variable, but also uncontrollable defensive items tend to be "meh"

The question is, was it being consumed before IP? Thus, screwing the parse?

[gritty ether]

My IP was equal to my other tanks IP without the helm

We both play warrior

[strong forum]

It's a shit helmet

If your IP only did 5k hps idk what you've been pressing

But also

The helmet has been nerfed by 80%

[gritty ether]

That’s quite the assumption

[toxic pewter]

oof

[gritty ether]

Ok

[strong forum]

So you're probably looking at pre-nerf helmet

[gritty ether]

Thats why I was asking

[uneven mason]

Blizzard being big brain -
"People might actually use this item we created, we better nerf it so hard it's unborn grandchildren can't walk"

[gritty ether]

I made it as a joke to just put as many crafted items on my char as our healer was late

[uneven mason]

80% feels like a serious "I can't be fucked to math this for balance"

[gritty ether]

And after three pulls of the weapon smith girl one of my healers went “wtf is that buff”

[strong forum]

Yah idk what it is with blizzard and shit embellishs

They're no longer a 1% power target like in s1

[uneven mason]

So remove it from equation

[strong forum]

But also not much more than 2%

[uneven mason]

It's because tanks damage profiles are allover the place, bad concept for an item that just gets worse when try to apply actual use scenarios

[strong forum]

Also it just doesn't give dmg

And if you have the choice between random absorb and actual dmg

You pick dmg

[uneven mason]

That too

[lament musk]

damn im too late to flex my gpu...

[uneven mason]

It in a world where defense mattered

[uneven mason]

Never

[lament musk]

i splurged on 4090 and 7950x3d with custom waterloop

[uneven mason]

4090 is the only real generation upgrade in the 4000 series

[gritty ether]

Here it was

[uneven mason]

7959x3d though, idk if it's enough of a boost over the 7800x3d

[lament musk]

my 3080 and 5800x3d were choppy at times when streaming and recording separately on the same pc at 4k

stream 1080p and local recoeding 4k

[signal sequoia]

it depends if youre using it for productivity stuff or not

for gaming the 7800 and 7950 are bascically the same

[uneven mason]

Yeah true, raw gaming probably not but encoding for sure you want that extra oomph

[strong forum]

I use my Intel integrated graphics to encode my stream

[lament musk]

ya im aware, i do make use of the extra cores from time to time, and tbf a lot of the cost to upgrade was mobo and ram too, so another couple hundred to take 7950x3d over 7800x3d isnt too bad

[uneven mason]

X3d chips are turning into the best purchase in a long time

[strong forum]

And I don't have twitch dashboard open on other monitor

That FUCKS with smooth frames

That website is literally illegal

[lament musk]

thats a decent option too

nvenc encoder squeezes out a bit more quality with the very limited bitrate you get on twitch though

[strong forum]

Oh yeah absolutely

But cba losing fps or smooth gameplay

[lament musk]

based

[strong forum]

Integrated graphics does the job really well

And using chatterino over twitch dashboard, + embed edit page + alert box into obs

[signal sequoia]

what is the edit page thing that youre talking about

[uneven mason]

Those am5 boards were insanely priced, like cheapest one when I was upgrading was 650$

So I just bought a better am4 and grabbed the 5800x3d for 300$ total black Friday last year

[strong forum]

thats my 2nd monitor setup basically

[lament musk]

my obs chat box literally crashed my twitch consistently after a certain update that added ad break alerts to the chat box

havent used the obs chat dock for a while after that, but maybe it's fixed now

[sick sentinel]

something to make nome mad cuz i know hes from germany (loosely) YT premium going up there

[strong forum]

i can recommend chatterino

works perfectly and you can make clips yourself quicker

but i guess you record so dont need clips

[lament musk]

i'll give it a try, looks nice

[lone wren]

are normal dragonflight dungeons soloable with protection warior 440 with sarka trinket

[little ermine]

Yes

[strong forum]

you can solo +15s with 440

normal dungeons you just sneeze at

[signal sequoia]

oh thats neat

[lament shell]

@strong forum hi, which tank does the most st dmg in 10.2 for progression raid

[strong forum]

vdh

[lament shell]

thank you

[daring marlin]

@lament shell 👀

[teal swift]

If bdk is too hard, and warrior is too hard, and I don't like bear

What'd the next best tank

For keys

[strong forum]

if warrior is too hard

then youre not gonna make it

its the 2nd easiest tank

[toxic pewter]

yah warrior considered easy by most people

[strong forum]

we did a full 180 from SL to DF

from hardest tank by a mile

to borderline easiest tank

[blazing condor]

weird question but will the catalyst charges for THIS season carry over as a separate currency into next patch? cus i wanna get the tier mog for my legs but the secondaries are worse

on the tier

[strong forum]

do not carry over into s3 catalyst

[blazing condor]

dam

[teal swift]

What's the easiest tank

[strong forum]

bear

[teal swift]

I heard I am supposed to swap between

[strong forum]

you will keep your s2 charges however i think

[teal swift]

Bstwmce and dstsnce

[mortal brook]

should be able to throw s2 and s1 gear into catalyst for those sets

[strong forum]

yeah

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what im wondering abuot

[teal swift]

Now i don't think I'm good enough

[strong forum]

bstance most of the time in most content, treat d-stance as extra defensive CD as last measure

[teal swift]

Can I just send it in dstance in keys

[strong forum]

and in push content, you can more freely sit in d-stance on trash pulls

you can sit in d-stance as much as you want

its just a ~6% dps loss to do so

[teal swift]

Okay, I don't think I'll care about the dps

Except in raid

Lul

[lament shell]

macro ignore pain and shield block. dont do that

[teal swift]

I miss my orit warr

[lament shell]

makes warrior much easier to play if you have troubles

[teal swift]

Kinda scared of everbloom tho

[blazing condor]

i got 40% crit its nice

[teal swift]

Idk how long and hard the legendary quest line js

But I uh

Want it for my pvp chars

Like ret paladin, arms warrior, FDK, bdk

[strong forum]

nobody knows

how long where from who

[lament shell]

amen

[strong forum]

i just know i want it cuz of the mog

[daring marlin]

the true endgame

[plush tendon]

Im working on Shadowmourne

so I can fury warrior

with Shadowmourne and the new Axe

[teal swift]

I want it for bdk

[daring marlin]

Imagine not already having it smh.....

[teal swift]

But I can't play bdk for shit

So I also want it for warrior

And ret paladin

[daring marlin]

jeez augusto I thought you were based turtleman

[plush tendon]

Im trying

[uneven mason]

This

[daring marlin]

what kind of bdk has no shadowmourne???

[plush tendon]

I have to convine my friends to help me with the vampire bite part of the quest

[plush tendon]

well... tbf.... 2h axes on humans look awful; once I get the lego axe, I gotta race change to Orc or something

[uneven mason]

Are you Eu or Na?

[plush tendon]

NA

[uneven mason]

I'll let you bite me

[plush tendon]

😮

I know theres a way to do it solo

I just have to get 4 toons in a raid together

and alt f4 a bunch

just gotta do it ya know

[uneven mason]

Today's fucked though, my meeting schedule is 15min gaps all day, no space for wow fuckery

[plush tendon]

I did ICC yesterday.... but in Classic

I still have no clue what is going on in that raid

except for blood queen

blood queen actually makes sense to me XD

[uneven mason]

Normally I try and have a 2h gap so I can smoke and run a m+

Or 3

[uneven mason]

By today's standards they're all pretty easy

I mean even back in the day, the wings were time gated to keep guilds from destroying aryhas day 1

[plush tendon]

yea; they arent hard; but mechanics feel much less telegraphed in Classic then retail

[uneven mason]

Because they are

I remember the projected texture fiasco

[plush tendon]

I also dont like tanking in classic; I feel like im at the mercy of my healer too much

[uneven mason]

Some dude made an addon that displayed the range of AES on the screen

Trivialized most of the fights

[uneven mason]

Yeah even bdk and paladin

[plush tendon]

and Death Strike healing is capped at 10% heal

and not % heal

like, da fudge is this shit

[uneven mason]

That didn't change until uh, Legion

[plush tendon]

I think Cata

[uneven mason]

Cata we just didn't take damage (I didn't play bdk until Legion)

I only played warriors and druids

[plush tendon]

Cata introduced the mastery but also introduced % heal based on damage taken over 5 seconds

[daring marlin]

I loved playing DK in cata

[uneven mason]

Ah, here I was hard capping crit block

[daring marlin]

It was like alt 3 and all I used it for was farming trash in Firelands

[plush tendon]

Wrath D Strike is a heal for 5% per disease on target

[daring marlin]

[uneven mason]

Yeah hadvq frost DK that destroyed the ah market on hellscream by selling fl boe

[plush tendon]

I first started playing in Cata

DK my first class to 85

[uneven mason]

And then undercut the gem bots

[plush tendon]

[uneven mason]

Cata was a strange time for me, I started as a pwar, had that guild implode doing heroic 25 BWD

Then played a mm hunter in fl

Then enhance Shaman in dragonsoul, until finally going arms warrior for heroic prog

Because arms was so fucking meaty

[plush tendon]

I thought I beat the game cause I qued for LFR, killed Deathwing, got the sword and quit

[blazing condor]

if u quit

then yes

u did beat the game

[plush tendon]

I didnt understand that there was non queable content

I thought LFR was the raid difficulty

[median tulip]

A lot of people think that

[plush tendon]

Normal? I aint no Normie. Heroic? Never heard of her

[median tulip]

Something like half the player base never goes above queueable content

[toxic pewter]

Wow didn’t think they’d have a final round of ptr m+ testing

[plush tendon]

I bet its more then half

queable content takes away that first level of social anxiety

with having to find/make a group

[uneven mason]

This is why I try and teach lfr tanks the basics when I endup in one that mr fresh out of diapers paladin goes "I don't have the taunt ability"

Says it's warrior only

[plush tendon]

any time I go to LFR and the other tank tries to taunt of me I get so tilted

like look dude, you are losing aggro to my dps, just let me do it

[uneven mason]

Haha yeah I got asked if I could somehow do less damage than them so they could get aggro

"idk I can't really go under"auto attack"

[plush tendon]

its a idk moment tbh

like, this is his content I imagine and im sort of just coming in there and doing everything

but like, what else am I gonna do? afk?

[blazing condor]

maybe its placebo but feels like you get shadowfrost shards more often if ur wearing shadowmounre

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1169680897390428170/image0.gif?ex=65564939&is=6543d439&hm=ef4066e7d344ff453116550b7951c637535a0fd925f56e15da6a5177a46b508b&

[dusky canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1169680897390428170/image0.gif?ex=65564939&is=6543d439&hm=ef4066e7d344ff453116550b7951c637535a0fd925f56e15da6a5177a46b508b&

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/funkhouser-super-dave-im-not-norm-norm-macdonald-blank-face-gif-17567587

got 9 shards on 12 bosses tho

compared to my 4 shards last week

[uneven mason]

My dogs mad at me because I'm trying to quit smoking and do she's not getting walks every 2 hours, @blazing condor can you convince her that it's for the best

[blazing condor]

tell her "sniff sniff, raise ears, tilt head, bark"

[uneven mason]

Got it

[opaque quest]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-25165864

[blazing condor]

https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/thumbnails/comments/+_ad6768b815ccc125f759869247559c5f.gif

if it works it works

[toxic pewter]

just downloaded warcraft rumble

[strong forum]

T31 profile is already out

Go have fun if you wanna fiddle with it

[daring marlin]

traitor

[lusty grotto]

wb mooo

GUILFORD

did you do the new variant shit

[nimble skiff]

Is BDK the only reactive tank?

[daring marlin]

naw, been slacking

[uneven mason]

Not even that reactive, but vdh and monk have similar recovery models

[daring marlin]

This. Prot pally too to a degree.

Everyone is similar in being somewhat proactive

Have active mit up or die bitch

[uneven mason]

I guess we should shift this terminology away from "reactive" to "recovery"

[daring marlin]

Dying as a bdk and trying to recover without DRW

[uneven mason]

Since there is still preemptive gameplay needed for bdk

[uneven mason]

Bdk going into a pull dry

[daring marlin]

terrible

the actual worst feeling

[uneven mason]

Like a balsawood strap-on

[daring marlin]

[uneven mason]

But, on seatbelts question, bdk is the highest in the recovery end of the spectrum, but iirc not the Lowest in the mitigation (vdh?)

[nimble skiff]

Trying to figure out what alt I want to roll that can tank as well

Conquer m+ on two fronts

[uneven mason]

All of the tanks are fine, going from warrior to bdk is jarring

[daring marlin]

BDK played well is super fun to play

imo

[nimble skiff]

Maybe a change in playstyle is a good thing tho

[uneven mason]

Like you legitimately go from not taking noticable damage to full yoyo

It's just understanding that rp is more important than hp

If you're out of runic power and get slapped you're fucked

But you can get dropped to 5% and press DS once and be gold

[nimble skiff]

My only gripe is I would miss charge x 2 plus heroic leap plus intervene for movement, every other tank feels so sluggish

[uneven mason]

Yeah bdk is a sluggish mfr

Painful even

[nimble skiff]

Pally as well

[uneven mason]

Yeah

After playing warriors even dh and monk can feel slow

[sick sentinel]

....

[silent vessel]

what is that in real currency

[sick sentinel]

are you kidding me, wait, hmm, im not sure

[silent vessel]

51€

[sick sentinel]

is that a reduced price? isnt it?

[silent vessel]

yeah looks like

[uneven mason]

Yes, since normally it was 95$ CAD

[nimble skiff]

I've never considered looking at vdh for a tank tbh maybe I should look there. When I log on my druid/pally/ dk alts and try to tank a dungeon I feel like molasses

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if anyone else got that

[nimble skiff]

I think monk is too many binds

[silent vessel]

70% more value!111

[sick sentinel]

800% more value even

[nimble skiff]

WW is too many so I don't have a dps spec to fall back on

[uneven mason]

27 hotkeys for monk, scuffed design

[nimble skiff]

Too many

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[nimble skiff]

So I guess I'll look at my dh again and see how that plays as a tank

Need a class that can fall back on dps

[uneven mason]

It's uh

1 1 2, 1 1 2

Vdh pretty smoothbrain

[sick sentinel]

I wonder wtf i did to unlock that deal

or if its for everyone, a price drop

[nimble skiff]

Is that the ability rotation? 112 repeat

[toxic pewter]

vdh pretty fun

just personally not a fan of the spirit bomb/soul cleave dynamic that apparently everyone likes for some reason

[uneven mason]

There's a bit more than that, but yeah you generate souls and consume them

[nimble skiff]

I really want to like a bear tank but idk. Something seems off. Maybe it's cause it's 60

[uneven mason]

Bear is closest to warriors

[lusty grotto]

a way wayyyyyyyyyyyyy easier warrior

[uneven mason]

That's my usual primary-alt

[uneven mason]

Only because we can block with our butt

[toxic tiger]

hey guuuys, i died in this kill and would like to know if i could have done anything different to survive
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QvNhdK7p8nRFk3ZB#fight=last&type=damage-done

[lusty grotto]

you took 11 stacks

youre gonna die if you dont have defensives/externals at that point

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QvNhdK7p8nRFk3ZB#fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&ability=406313

is this a pug or a guild?

if its a guild, have one of your DKs go insidious chill

your warlock is doing okay since they are putting curse of weakness as they should

[uneven mason]

Was coming back to say this

[toxic tiger]

guild and yea you're right

yea my co tank died and i had to take a few more

[uneven mason]

Even with CDs rolling 11 stacks is death unless you're getting tunneled by heals and not tanking

[lusty grotto]

yup

you need to cycle defensives at around the 7+ stack mark

[toxic tiger]

okok, i guess i didnt realize i took 11 stacks

[uneven mason]

Like if the other tank dies your healers need to stack externals on you

Being open in communication with healers on externals is pro gameplay

[lusty grotto]

also

you triple cleared

???

[toxic tiger]

yes

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QvNhdK7p8nRFk3ZB#fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&ability=407302

[toxic tiger]

that was... a movement malfunction

[uneven mason]

I use my "squealing girl " voice to call for ps

[lusty grotto]

yikes yea

thats a nono

even a double clear is a nono

[toxic tiger]

yee i know

[lusty grotto]

do you have the WA

[toxic tiger]

was not planned

[uneven mason]

But yeah need to slow that bosses attacks

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/hQTgSaOKk very useful for both tanks to have so you know where each other are

[uneven mason]

☝️

[toxic tiger]

i dont no, i track the debuff thoug

[lusty grotto]

it'll just spam /say so make sure you have chat bubbles

thats not tracking the debuff

its so you know where your cotank is

so you dont double or yikes triple clear by accident

[toxic tiger]

oooh

[uneven mason]

Gotta let your healers parse

[toxic tiger]

ah well i dont need it anymore now xD

[lusty grotto]

of course it has some added whatever

[toxic tiger]

but thanks

[thick gazelle]

Thats not, I was playing gdruid all seasson

I mean, thats not the way im dying

[lusty grotto]

what seems to be the issue

do you have logs?

[uneven mason]

12 hours later...

[lusty grotto]

well they necro'd it

either way i couldnt see anyone addressing the original claim

[uneven mason]

Yeah, if you have logs we can explain what you're doing wrong

Like how often are you hitting IP

[lusty grotto]

shall we play the prot warrior bingo ikari?

[uneven mason]

"overspending on revenge"

[dusky canopy]

Not enough WW

[uneven mason]

Low ilvl shield

[lusty grotto]

well its 437 so i dont think that's it

[uneven mason]

Hmm

[lusty grotto]

oh no

i misread

hes 433 lmaooo

[uneven mason]

His shield might be 447 or 395

[lusty grotto]

so yeah the low ilvl shield is still in play

[uneven mason]

Because average

At that ilvl could be running itf and creating gaps

Without tier

[uneven mason]

Link character?

[lusty grotto]

this is one of those

that we will never hear about again, i reckon

or we will get "i forgot to log"

[uneven mason]

But my bingo card

[lusty grotto]

😢

true

[lusty tiger]

Ip spam

[lusty grotto]

not using spell block

tied with sb uptime

unkicked casts

not being dwarf

[thick gazelle]

I can do logs because my pc is trash, but sometimes a friend makes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/azralon/secuwarr?zone=34#bybracket=1

[lusty grotto]

well we can scratch that from the bingo card

[lusty tiger]

lol

[thick gazelle]

I'm a main healer btw, trying just to have fun as a tank sometimes

[lusty grotto]

so which is the run?

[thick gazelle]

BH

[lusty grotto]

no logs, only leaderboard

[thick gazelle]

fk

[lusty grotto]

ok neltharus has a log i guess

bad

BAD (in neltharus)

bad

and of course 0 blazing slashes blocked because no spell block

of course this is only a 13

ilvl 424 shield

bad

[thick gazelle]

trying to get another, probably crafting up to 447 today

[uneven mason]

Yes

[thick gazelle]

should i replace battle scared to spell block?

[uneven mason]

Shield is like half our defensive budget

[lusty grotto]

shield is the #1 thing you have to craft as a prot warrior

[uneven mason]

You're letting SB drop while being meleed

[lusty grotto]

the first upgrade

[uneven mason]

Which is just going to get you slapped

[thick gazelle]

Just got another aura to watch this specially

noticed that some days ago

some pulls rn I got a 2-3sec window sometimes without sb

[lusty grotto]

my dude

you casted

SIX

last stands

on the entire dungeon

[uneven mason]

Switch itf to hr

[lusty grotto]

read what your tier does

[thick gazelle]

what

[lusty grotto]

and read what this does

in comparison

i casted

[uneven mason]

Into the fray , to heavy repercussions

It'll solve part of your block problem

[lusty grotto]

24 Last stands on a Nelth run

vs your 6

[uneven mason]

And macro last stand to shield slam

Because it's what I do

[uneven mason]

[lusty grotto]

cast more last stands

[thick gazelle]

good to know, thats clearly a mistake that i can change

[lusty grotto]

on cd basically

otherwise you have bolster for no reason

[uneven mason]

Only 4 sw

[lusty grotto]

and your tier is not being used at all

[uneven mason]

Ls and sw should be up in that 20ish range

Prot warriors #2 rule is just send it

#1 is don't turn your back

[uneven mason]

He has DA

Swap da to impenetrable wall, it'll dramatically improve your rage budget and give you sw every minute or so

[thick gazelle]

Ok, thanks for the help, It will be pretty useful. Knowing the class aswell

Really yhanks for your healp

appreciated that

[knotty vortex]

2xshadowflame embellishments going to be for ST and AOE ?

[timber nest]

Both

[lusty grotto]

2x shadowlame OR 1x shadowflame and unstable frostfire belt

[knotty vortex]

yeah thats for this patch not next

[lusty grotto]

both options are good and have been good since s2

doesnt matter

thats for next patch as well

there's no changes in that regard

[orchid adder]

Is shadow flame still the projected go to for s3 with the nerfs?

[lusty grotto]

the nerfs dont matter at all

they are scaling adjustments

[orchid adder]

Ah

[lusty grotto]

our s2 embelishments wont change into s3

therefore

#protection message this is accurate

[strong forum]

slight caveat there

since crafted items are now 3ilvl lower

[orchid adder]

Ok. I was kinda disappointed by the nerfs but didn’t consider that it’s just scaling adjustment.

[strong forum]

i dont think crafting belt is that hot anymore

cuz its more of a stat loss

than bracers/cloak for shadowflame

same goes for shield even in the event of shield of hearth simming well now

[lusty grotto]

so thats why its not like that in the faq

but i mean that also assumes you can get vault/mythic raid slots filled

[strong forum]

well yeah its "BiS"

[blissful iris]

thanks a lot for that.. I have been swapping to warrior cause we needed battle shout and iv been holding out on crafting cause i was unsure

[lusty grotto]

and 90% of the people here wont see those

[strong forum]

sure but its not harmful to just say just send 2x SF

ykno

saves some headaches

[lusty grotto]

i guess

[blazing condor]

logged onto my rogue for the first time in like 10 years

turns out i have almost completed fangs of the father + have 1 glaive + eye of sulfuras

and this was my tmog bank (before collection was a thing)

shits wild

[lusty grotto]

bro if i logged into my first alts

my brain would melt

[strong forum]

yeah some of my characters banks/void storage are filled with old stuff

[lusty grotto]

i have an abandoned mage, priest and druid

[signal sequoia]

idk if this got brought up yet @strong forum but what do you think about this things for tanks

[strong forum]

yeah nah

[signal sequoia]

got buffed by a lot today seems p good now

really?

for push keys

[strong forum]

theres just better options

[signal sequoia]

nothing that lets you also save the dps noobs from 1 shots

[strong forum]

signet, infinite more dmg
fyrakk, infinite more dmg, comparable absorb
(even tho i hate em) cheat death

this trinket at best is a healer trinket

for say disc priest

cuz the disc doesnt have any defensives

so the disc gotta use absorb trinkets for himself to survive keys

[signal sequoia]

you can put it on other people too though

[strong forum]

sure

but did you see any tank run ward from abberus in keys?

[lusty grotto]

we dont use echo trinket either

yea

thats a healer trinket

[strong forum]

like losing 7-15% dmg

[lusty grotto]

both of them are

[strong forum]

just to get a situational absorb for someone else

is a big yikes

[lusty grotto]

right, its even worse than ward cause you cant even put it on yourself

[strong forum]

you can put it on yourself

[lusty grotto]

iirc

ah

[strong forum]

so its not mega useless

[lusty grotto]

well i stand corrected

[strong forum]

but quite weak

compared to fyrakk

[lusty grotto]

there's no treemouth equivalent though right?