No it would be lol
#protection
chilly brook
grizzled nova
Then keep asking for changes that won't happen.
lusty grotto
youre not looking for loot if youre at a certain stage
chilly brook
Why would keys above 21 need to be cucked
warm plinth
Hunter: tokens
Mage: 441 myth to replace 434 hero cloak
Warrior: tokens
inland raft
Theres 0 interaction between loot and proposed system, people already run same dungeon back to back to target gear just by jumping through more hoops
chilly brook
There’s no downside to just letting people not lose key level on their key
warm plinth
yeah, welcome upgrade tbh since I barely key on that toon and have no crests lol
chilly brook
Theres 0 interaction between loot and proposed system, people already run same d...
This
You don’t get magically better gear in 22s than you do in 18s
So there’s no reason to disconnect loot and vault progress
lusty grotto
thats also true
chilly brook
To suggest that is just silly
grizzled nova
Theres 0 interaction between loot and proposed system, people already run same d...
the jumping thru hoops is the important part
chilly brook
Then you’d enforce even more degeneracy and make people who are interested in pushing keys and also still targeting items from max ilvl out of vault to do double the keys
grizzled nova
Then you’d enforce even more degeneracy and make people who are interested in pu...
or they dont convert them to score keys
chilly brook
the jumping thru hoops is the important part
Why is doing Neltharus 150 times before getting spoils at not even the highest ilvl “the important” part????
lusty grotto
dont think we should make compromises to accomodate blizzard's treadmills as players though
that's a weird position to have
chilly brook
What the fuck lmao
lusty grotto
since we're players
chilly brook
Do you not see how much backlash has been in this expansion to chase items?
The answer isn’t to further reinforce that
grizzled nova
dont think we should make compromises to accomodate blizzard's treadmills as pla...
Unfortunately they're the ones making the changes, crowing about an intellectually ideal system doesn't mean much if Blizzard will never go for it.
lusty grotto
so let them do it
grizzled nova
Compromise for better.
chilly brook
Unfortunately they're the ones making the changes, crowing about an intellectual...
Fuck devs that make problems that affect literally no one but devs
lusty grotto
you're compromising with people that have a paying job to figure out this shit
inland raft
The game would be objectively better and likely drive higher player engagement in the key system as a whole with that change as no longer will feel punished by hosting a key
For more casual players theres a psychological component to hosting a key knowing if it fails they lose a level those players would engage more without that worry
grizzled nova
you're compromising with people that have a paying job to figure out this shit
Their job is to make a game that drives engagement resulting in player retention and digital services use, not make the minority of m+ pushers lives a little easier.
Retaining their obviously intentionally made treadmill for most players is going to be essential to any proposed change.
lusty grotto
Their job is to make a game that drives engagement resulting in player retention...
its not the minority at all
i agreed with your loot take because im that minority you are suggesting will be affected
because to me
after a certain point
loot
doesnt
matter
but instead, griff and treass responded in a different way
thats a microcosm of the m+ pop
they represent the majority
and their suggestions still benefit them
whereas yours do not
anyone that advocates for treadmills
i just cant take seriously
that person is just so addicted that they want SOMETHING to do at all times
and they dont see it
warm plinth
This season has had the easiest gearing in a long time and yet retention was at a high according to blizz. So clearly timegating gear does not equate to retention.
Actually easiest gearing ever I'm pretty sure
lusty grotto
and they are at the point where any content that is available is just not desireable anymore, they have mmo fatigue, this is not behavior that we should be pushing for
sick sentinel
gear is just, your car, or your truck, for plate users
different types of them, its job is to simply allow you to get from A to B
better parts, enchanted, repaired, runs better, slightly faster
bleak breach
and they are at the point where any content that is available is just not desire...
Agree, but what would you propose the change could be to fix this?
M+ is nice, raid is nice. But we do the same thing over and over with different skins and slightly different mechanics.
sick sentinel
the problem with mythic + is when someone fucks up
and then theres a wipe and its, AH GG
insta
cuz your about to lose 2 full minutes of walk back
and you got 7 minutes for 2 bosses
bleak breach
Can someone run me down on what a treadmill means?
chilly brook
Agree, but what would you propose the change could be to fix this?
More unique challenging content
I mean that’s the only thing that matters in this game is challenging content
sick sentinel
you know on phone game you log in and it gives you daily reward and a weekly reward and it tells you you have to do 5 missions for extra coins
bleak breach
Ahh yes
lusty grotto
honestly blizzard doesnt have to do anything, if someone keeps their sub up they are still earning money
lusty grotto
they dont need to have you log on every day though
chilly brook
honestly blizzard doesnt have to do anything, if someone keeps their sub up they...
Generally I’m with this
sick sentinel
warriors winning in MG apparently
bleak breach
Yep, they’re still making heaps of money and they get a massive influx at the start of tiers and xpacs then people die off. It’s how it’s always been, there’s just more games to play now, so they have more competition.
lusty grotto
its not competition
its only competition if they expect to keep you glued in game
24/7
bleak breach
That’s fair, a lot of people have a sub and just play a few times a week or month
lusty grotto
im playing 3 other games, i still pay my sub, and i still pay WoW
bleak breach
As long as you keep the sun they’re fine
sick sentinel
i would like if you could work order basically any old transmog item from old world
bleak breach
Sub*
I think a nice change for M+ could be to slightly change the io points granted and always get points for a clear even if not inside the timer. So no limit at all for points, you just have to finish.
But obviously get a lot more points for timing and 1/2/3 etc.
rigid schooner
Yo was looking at gear for next season wondering these stats are optimized badly or not (dont know the value really with crit and mast for prot warr ngl)
Crit: 2403
Haste: 6520
Mastery: 1167
Versatility: 6030
The rough ilvl would be 483
sick sentinel
or like, every time you go up 100 IO points, you get 1 tank bag
bleak breach
Yo was looking at gear for next season wondering these stats are optimized badly...
Not really badly, could just opt for more crit over some vers.
lusty grotto
Yo was looking at gear for next season wondering these stats are optimized badly...
your stats dont matter
uneven mason
Yo was looking at gear for next season wondering these stats are optimized badly...
JFC that's a lot of vers
blazing condor
Yo was looking at gear for next season wondering these stats are optimized badly...
stats dont matter - its nice to have a lot of haste though - ppl usually go haste/crit if anything but vers is fine too
lusty grotto
Ilvl > haste > crit >= versa > mastery
ilvl above all things
your stats wont matter at all
you will be gearing
rigid schooner
so its the bdk angle where you can go dps stats and still be fine?
uneven mason
But as long as you're using the top ilvl stuff you have you're fine
bleak breach
Yep
grizzled nova
anyone that advocates for treadmills
I'm not advocating for treadmills, I'm advocating for meeting Blizzard where they are and getting changes that walk us in the right direction, rather than telling them they should tear the whole thing down and remake it in the image of people who aren't concerned with financial performance of IPs - that's how you get ignored by people making these decisions.
bleak breach
Just sim for dps
rigid schooner
aigh fair enough
uneven mason
so its the bdk angle where you can go dps stats and still be fine?
All tanks are damage focused
bleak breach
Stack haste, crit and vers
uneven mason
Mastery isn't bad either
lusty grotto
I'm not advocating for treadmills, I'm advocating for meeting Blizzard where the...
blizzard doesnt work like that
uneven mason
But we're Crit advocates here
rigid schooner
JFC that's a lot of vers
this is what i put up as my first guess
but ill redo it with dps sims instead
lusty grotto
crit is gonna sim higher than versa
bleak breach
Change your crafted to crit haste
rigid schooner
how is crit when you have a shield already btw cuz i had some conflicting opinions on that
or heard rather
rigid schooner
since you are blocking most of it from a defensive standpoint i assume you cant parry and block at the same time no?
uneven mason
Wat
lusty grotto
you can
uneven mason
Lol
rigid schooner
im thinking from the bdk perspective if i explained it like ass im tired as fuck
bleak breach
Don’t worry about stats too much until you hero/myth track geared anyway and you can start to min max.
uneven mason
im thinking from the bdk perspective if i explained it like ass im tired as fuck
Just think of warrior as a DPS that doesn't die
bleak breach
You parry instead of block. Parry=0 damage, block=very little
uneven mason
Offensive play will result in good defensive play
lusty grotto
^
rigid schooner
and it prios parry over block? pog
uneven mason
Yeah
rigid schooner
Offensive play will result in good defensive play
yeah ive found that usually to be the case, warrior is my least played tank so im never too sure
sick sentinel
shaman mirror match
lusty grotto
yup parry always goes of first
uneven mason
Thanks to warriors breaking the combat table back in cata
grizzled nova
and it prios parry over block? pog
You're going to be at effectively 100% block chance from having stacked haste - anything you could parry but didnt you're going to block.
lusty grotto
that was kinda worded in a weird way
youre going to be at 100% block chance because you will have Shield Block up at all times
rigid schooner
ye i get it 👍
lusty grotto
haste affects it since its a hastened cd on shield block
but
thats not why
its cause we have so many talents that cover shield block uptime in DF
in the past, yes haste was the case for it for sure
sick sentinel
almost to the semi-finals on mak gora
lusty grotto
dont care, its classic garbage
sick sentinel
its mindless entertainment
strong forum
The 32 group is done
Now it's 16
Then 8
Like it's still a long way
Very long way
sick sentinel
this rogue lost so hard
jagged gust
Rogue tears are my favorite
sick sentinel
ohhh another rogue v hunter match
this is like some kind of unlived fantasy, even if just to watch.
grizzled nova
in the past, yes haste was the case for it for sure
am I wrong that haste is necessary to hit 100% with s2 set bolster + itf?
sick sentinel
my thoughts is if blizzard wants to add a duel, they should take the final duel and use that
like a duel cutscene, they posted about which characters do you want to see duel
lusty grotto
am I wrong that haste is necessary to hit 100% with s2 set bolster + itf?
yes youre wrong
and either way, there's no case where you have 0 haste
you'd have to be incredibly unlucky while gearing up or something
lusty tiger
this is what peak performance looks like
fierce moss
you might hate it folks
lusty grotto
is that sonii the old school soni
lusty grotto
nah i aint gonna watch that
waxen frigate
I hope Payo loses
serene steppe
He did
waxen frigate
God is real
toxic pewter
I think a warlock will win
They just so strong and annoying
Snutz gonna win I think
lusty grotto
yea
sick sentinel
ziqo match
toxic pewter
Still can’t believe how uninspired the warrior 3piece set is in trading post
sick sentinel
its not the worst ever
toxic pewter
Next tier set prob worse actually
When we gonna get another iconic looking warrior set I ask
I want to look badass again
lusty grotto
you say that as if the other class sets were amazing, and they werent
jagged pier
Dont take the bait nim
lusty grotto
jagged pier
He said pretty much the same thing earlier but no one bit
toxic pewter
The others mostly a mixed bag also
lusty grotto
im dum
toxic pewter
But ours def one of the worst
bottom three for sure
How is it bait to just point out the truth
lusty grotto
real talk though
i wonder when the items will rotate
i wanna pick up a few things i didnt have tendies for
trading post went live late jan? so probably after that?
toxic pewter
February 1st was first month ya
lusty grotto
lets see what they do then
toxic pewter
They should like put EVERYTHING UP for sale for a single day on New Year’s Day or something that would be fun
lusty grotto
i didnt have enough tendies for the medivh cloak 😢
sick sentinel
warriors winning
toxic pewter
Lol
hazy bronze
I thought this one was p cool
blazing condor
i too think the blademaster set is lacking
toxic pewter
I'm with apb on this, warrior historically has freaking awful sets
Yeah but every now and then we get a really badass one, just wish we can get a cool one soon
It’s been a while now in my opinion
Shadowlands sets kinda cool I guess
jagged gust
CN was the last ooooo one for me, but lets be honest everyone won that tier
toxic pewter
Ya
blazing condor
i mean honestly
toxic pewter
Nathria owns
blazing condor
CN / SoD is good
and both tiers from DF is cool
jagged gust
The voti one with the floating space rocks was kinda neat
toxic pewter
Vault of incarnates I thought was coolest raid set for df yet
Ya
Agreed
Sigh I guess I’m just frustrated I’m not a huge fan of this upcoming look in 10.2
jagged gust
Yeah it really is dog
blazing condor
in BFA the BoD and Nyalthoa sets are cool
jagged gust
Aberrus set legit gives me racist vibes
toxic pewter
Lolwtf
blazing condor
?
toxic pewter
Why
jagged gust
You're a white dragon, and they released a shield for the set with a giant white fist on it
toxic pewter
I dont get the reference
toxic pewter
in BFA the BoD and Nyalthoa sets are cool
Agreed
jagged gust
klansmen have weird terminology for their leader structure, dragon is one of the levels, so you're garbed in white, a dragon, and have a white fist, the inversion of the black power salute
it just looks hella sus to me
jagged gust
Hey I'm not saying im being logical here, but it still kinda triggers me
hardy snow
I think the issue is not in the tierset 🤡
blazing condor
yeah aight
torn gulch
the first season 3 vault is 22/23
cinder nova
hardy snow
should be only dps
nimble skiff
i totally just shit the bed tanking an 18 FH, jesus, i need to learn how to tank fortifying with bursting
hardy snow
and healers
nimble skiff
staying alive on some packs, maybe i pulled too big
grim pilot
ah it's bursting week
lusty grotto
thats a dps affix, they need to stop if you dont have a priest
grim pilot
gonna be fun doing lower keys
lusty grotto
shouldn't have problems tanking packs in fh
nimble skiff
how do you do the first pull in FH it's massive with fortifying
lusty grotto
thats probably bad play related
grim pilot
it's really not that massive and if you want to be safe just grab priest healer
lusty grotto
use wall? keep sb up
grim pilot
he will remember to dispel the group
blazing condor
how do you do the first pull in FH it's massive with fortifying
i wouldnt pull all if i didnt have a priest in a pug
but its kinda fine to die there
cus the respawn
lusty grotto
yeah its no issues dying there at all
blazing condor
but i mean if you just blast everything to death then you WILL die cus of the stacks
if you pull all
nimble skiff
issue is it's embarassing
grim pilot
it's a straight up trolling if you dont pull whole 1st pack and the key is higher than +11
median tulip
how do you do the first pull in FH it's massive with fortifying
In general? Shield Wall, multiple stuns/incaps/other, cooldowns.
nimble skiff
437
grim pilot
it's like 8-9 mobs and everyone in group has all cds and probably benefits from prepotting stuff too
nimble skiff
i don't i should start logging
lusty grotto
yeah thats what im getting at
lusty grotto
agreed
median tulip
Bursting week is just "bring a priest", sad to say
lusty grotto
its totally doable without
nimble skiff
chains is a no go in nelth right
blazing condor
chains are always a go
lusty grotto
are you kidding?
median tulip
It is doable without. But it's Trivial with a Priest
blazing condor
but maybe you dont pull as big
lusty grotto
yeah chains are always a go
blazing condor
even if youd only pull 5 mobs cus of bursting
you wanna use chains if you can
literally free damage
lusty grotto
nelth is
only doable with a priest
thats the only one
with high dps i guess you can manage with baby chain pulls
but ugh
lusty grotto
ye
grim pilot
Imagine squals in vortex
lusty grotto
just need dps that have a WA that yells at them
grim pilot
Shield REALLY hurts on high keys + bursting
blazing condor
the key to KSM this late into the patch is to not overcomplicate things
if you feel its scary to pull 4 packs at once
lusty grotto
you probably gotta lust that pull ngl
grim pilot
I think they didnt lust that
lusty grotto
nah this is for further than KSM
blazing condor
yeah this was more in response to seatbelt
grim pilot
Generally in vp you lust 9 assassins + squalls
lusty grotto
you really do not have to do that pull at all, press W in VP is good enough
oh
assassins do no damage (with ceiling tech)
that pull isnt the problem
lusty grotto
yeah you mean for lust
grim pilot
Not sure about forti but on tyra you should leave 1st boss area after 8-8:30
I finished 1st area at like 9:50 on 29 and we just called it over
blazing condor
timer is tight
lusty grotto
yeah tyra ulda is just aids
median tulip
Ulda is bad most weeks
blazing condor
ulda is bad*
strong forum
i so wont miss s2 dungeons
median tulip
Worst dungeon for Sanguine, Storming, Entangling, Volcanic, Spiteful
lusty grotto
i prefer s1 dungeons
median tulip
Season 1 was bad because Nokhud Offensive
lusty grotto
except for crawth
grim pilot
i so wont miss s2 dungeons
s2>s3 but at least it's new stuff
lusty grotto
crawth was the only thing i hated in AA, everything else was great
strong forum
not sure yet
strong forum
so far all DF seasons have been boring
blazing condor
^
median tulip
Crawth was a dick, esp on Tyr, but that was the only had part of AA
lusty grotto
fuck uldaman, fuck hoi, fuck vp
median tulip
VP I don't mind
lusty grotto
its way too fucking long
median tulip
VP is just half an hour of "You do remember how to Interrupt, right?"
median tulip
Well, 20 minutes
lusty grotto
all 3 dungeons are just the key breaking because the healer cant do heal checks
lusty grotto
whereas, the big heal check in s1, was ele in Nok
sick sentinel
you get portals back and if you fall off you get teleportied away
so like, its a so easy
- the run back buff after kill boss
blazing condor
timer isnt forgiving
it feels the same like doing SOTS in bfa
you wipe and even if you got some goofy teleport from spawn
its over
sick sentinel
gotta mechanics that dungeon or its shit show ya
sick sentinel
but like, surprise
wispy tapir
Oh god shrine triggers me
sick sentinel
shrine would bury m+
blazing condor
ive had my rant about SOTS many times but it was probably the worst designed m+ dungeon
sick sentinel
cuz shrine has a ton of bullshit in it
blazing condor
boss design was pretty shit
sick sentinel
there is a billion things to know in that dungeon
median tulip
ive had my rant about SOTS many times but it was probably the worst designed m+ ...
Waycrest 🤣
lusty grotto
well its happening
grim pilot
prayge we get all df dungeons in s4
lusty grotto
wdym waycrest was comfy as fuck
except for sanguine
which we are fucking getting again this next season
sick sentinel
kings rest would be a good one probably
grim pilot
megadungeon is cringe asf
blazing condor
2nd boss was completely made trivial by just stepping outside the circle
3rd boss was tuned so poorly the best way to get rid of MC was to go swim and stay afk until you broke free
last boss you had your healer dealing top dps but also getting one shot by tentacles and key would wipe
sick sentinel
its hard but its very linear
grim pilot
biggest thing I'm not looking forward in s3
blazing condor
and SOTS had shit spawns
lusty grotto
idk last boss was good
sick sentinel
linear dungeons are the best dungeons typically
hazy bronze
'Ate SotS
lusty grotto
MC boss was ass though
sick sentinel
is there a forced way to kill AD or is it you have to do an order
cuz its coming back
median tulip
Is it true all the doors in WCM are open on PTR?
lusty grotto
you have options yogi
blazing condor
2nd boss would either wipe every key you had or be completely one shot depending on if your group new where tos tand
sick sentinel
okay good
lusty grotto
yes Zetakya
median tulip
oh good
blazing condor
id imagine most ppl will still go rezan > vol'kal in AD but i hope for some new routes
median tulip
Thank fuck for that
median tulip
id imagine most ppl will still go rezan > vol'kal in AD but i hope for some new ...
Vol'kal is gonna be the key bricker in there
blazing condor
cant wait to have a hunter burst their totem
lusty grotto
we did priestest first on fort
lusty grotto
my team at least
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
can technically do volkaal first too on fort
blazing condor
i for one wouldnt mind not having to do the right side leading up to volkal
lusty grotto
but
sick sentinel
cuz i liked the priestess trash beter
sick sentinel
than i liked dealing with the troll trash
median tulip
then up volkal
and then somebody pulls the patrolling miniboss with the 2 dinos and bricks the key
bleak breach
You guys have good memories
lusty grotto
maybe it'll be an option this season since honor guards are nerfed
bleak breach
I can’t remember boss names of the places let alone what they do haha
lusty grotto
yo we're fucked
blazing condor
perks of having no life
lusty grotto
with pterrodax now with ber rage being a talent
sick sentinel
the trash towards priestess was easier, there is a few kicks and like some obvious cirlce to not stand in, easy stuff
blazing condor
instead of happy memories about friends, love and success - i have only angry memories of me wiping in wow dungeons
median tulip
You guys have good memories
You have no idea how many times we ran these dungeons in BfA
sick sentinel
troll trash is chaos, evil,
lusty grotto
i mean
it wasnt easy if
the dumbasses didnt kick the dumb shield
and i do remember it happening often
thank god people are generally better nowadays
sick sentinel
i don't remember, there was a hex and stealth dudes and just general badstuff there at the troll trash
always hated that area
median tulip
Awakened oh god
sick sentinel
i don't remember the confessors sorry
lusty grotto
no more rogues needed
confessors put a shield, that everything was cc immune if they were in it
sick sentinel
what i seem to remember about priestess trash is there was a dude that does some cleave
lusty grotto
and you couldn't kick casters
bleak breach
I’m gonna be in for a rough first couple of weeks
lusty grotto
you had augurs that blasted nukes on people
bleak breach
I don’t remember any of them haha
lusty grotto
and if they were in the shield area
you were 100% fucked unless you LoS'd
which was often the play
median tulip
I’m gonna be in for a rough first couple of weeks
The vast majority of people either won't remember then, never did them, or have only done Normal while levelling
bleak breach
Similar to the guys in Uldaman like los the corner @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
ideally you wanted to melt confessors fast so you didnt get that problem
bleak breach
?
lusty grotto
and/or skip them
nah you LoS'd so they would run out of the shield
and could be kicked/stopped
sick sentinel
i did stop pulling it at 8.1
median tulip
lol yeah
lusty grotto
look at this old as fuck route
lusty grotto
see how this guy is skipped?
sick sentinel
you get fucked
lusty grotto
this is an Elle's route
bleak breach
What’s everyone’s bet for the overtuned M+ that is a nightmare for month 1?
lusty grotto
go right lust, go left after
lusty grotto
because MDT didnt have pull numbers before
median tulip
What’s everyone’s bet for the overtuned M+ that is a nightmare for month 1?
I reckon it'll be DotI
lusty grotto
so they would add the numbers
bleak breach
Yep I’m thinking doti
sick sentinel
why do you need 23 map notes and 14 arrows
bleak breach
Last boss will be an absolute nightmare
median tulip
The last boss is already unpleasant; I'm not looking forward to finding out how bad it gets on high Tyr
potent anvil
lusty grotto
oh i do
bleak breach
Well guess what
lusty grotto
🙂
bleak breach
You’re going to do it and you’re going to enjoy it
sick sentinel
well, no, i don';t like that place lol
bleak breach
lusty grotto
that's too bad
sick sentinel
yeah, i'll run it one time lol
bleak breach
Twice
sick sentinel
doubt it
bleak breach
Need a Tyr and fort for points
lusty grotto
lol
and everyone would ignore tyrannical weeks
typical blizzard doubles down on it instead of fixing the problem
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
im just kinda really burnt out on wow atm
lusty grotto
this is fine
coral pilot
is the dmg the same between r2 shadowflame patch and rank 3?
torn gulch
cuz its a very technical boss
i don't think yazma is that bad tbh vol'kal might be worse in there
especially on high tyr
torn gulch
damage is the same crafting points it is not
strong forum
not the dmg
lusty grotto
i stand corrected
torn gulch
a rank 3 will make it easier to craft max quality
lusty grotto
i was today's years old
torn gulch
i was actually thinking i might want to stock on some cheap shadowflame essence for the belt enchant
because i suspect it will cost way more in 10.2 because nobody goes in aberrus
and for anything with shadowed alloys
toxic pewter
Snutz gonna win I think
Called it
lusty grotto
because i suspect it will cost way more in 10.2 because nobody goes in aberrus
yea, though i suspect the raid will drop some of the thingies, if not at the start, im sure blizzard will make it a drop eventually
strong forum
i was actually thinking i might want to stock on some cheap shadowflame essence ...
the raid is covered in shadowflame
lusty grotto
would still make no sense for blizzard to not have the bosses drop it
torn gulch
well we are 2 weeks away with no changes
lusty grotto
either way, i have a metric shitton of them
torn gulch
i got like 10 essences now
lusty grotto
will make cash
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
which is why im getting my alchemist up
torn gulch
i have a full alchemist and a full herb guy
lusty grotto
well who knows maybe there's a recipe for it to be crafted with EN shit
lusty grotto
seems backwards either way
torn gulch
same recipe which i doubt will be changed so close
lusty grotto
im sure blizz will put something in
torn gulch
you need way too many spores for them
when i do a full 10 craft i need 3k spores like wtf
and you can't farm them that easily they cost like 50k for 3k
graceful leaf
I should be good to craft my 437 crafted gear and stuff right I shouldn't hang on to any of the crests or spark of shadowflames?
strong forum
No reason to hang onto any s2 stuff
strong forum
Everything will get replaced within the first week of season launch
torn gulch
yes
vivid wren
ight thanks
torn gulch
you obtain it the same way is in 10.1
first spark week 1 then every week half a spark from the weekly quest 1.5k rep with the dreamwardens
pallid quiver
Everything will get replaced within the first week of season launch
how do i glitch the game to get an ilvl 488 or whatever anvil?
hardy snow
Everything will get replaced within the first week of season launch
not with my luck
sick sentinel
how much do those sell for now
last i checked like 7 k
probably plummeted in price
toxic pewter
is there any profit in it tho
last i checked wasnt even break even in price
yeah dang on area 52, dracothyst sells at a 800g loss lol
f that
sick sentinel
honestly, one of the things ive been doing on wow, is just buying blacksmithing stuff
leveling it up to 75 for each expansion, don't have full reps, but i'll get a ton of basic transmogs people charge way too much for on ah
toxic pewter
nice
lusty grotto
dracothyst were 4k last week
each
they should be sold cross realm
so your server doesnt matter at all
if they are at 800g like you claim apb... its a good time to buy and sell later
im not in game so cant check
toxic pewter
nah i mean 800g loss
fierce moss
which MT spec is easiest for warrior? did tank one on bear and it was a joke, on prot its so tedious
pallid quiver
I've never even tried the Arms of Fury one, but Prot's a one, two attempt fair on my end unless I should have been in bed hours ago
lusty grotto
well
back in the day fury was fucking easy as hell
back in legion days
i have no idea about nowadays lmao
arms wasnt too hard either
how come we're having so many questions regarding mage tower latetly
pallid quiver
Ye, but the results are still there
lusty grotto
hmm.. i didnt even know it counted for TW
pallid quiver
From the alts people levelled and are now hitting
pallid quiver
Oh, I mean they levelled a char from it, and- yeah
Now that they have a shiny new waryer, they need him some fancy pants
arctic marten
How much of a damage increase is it to use Execute instead of Revenge during the execute phase? It feels like I just end up running out of rage, even when i'm not spending any rage on Ignore Pain, to fully commit to Execute
pallid quiver
You don't want to fully commit, full send execute all the time
It's an awkward balancing act
lusty grotto
you shouldnt stop using IP
pallid quiver
You need to use ot to deal the damage, but it can often be worth it if you have 40 rage to send a revenge then execute
lusty grotto
on raids? you should use execute over revenge only
pallid quiver
Since your overall goal is still to get SS resets
lusty grotto
youre not supposed to be using it over SS or TC
basically our prio is SS > TC > Revenge
so on execute phase it turns into
SS > TC > Execute
lusty grotto
im progging in xiv ill take a look in a bit
pallid quiver
I can look in like an hour; last bit of work here on my end
If I get downtime, I'll check sooner
lusty grotto
why are you running instigate
run unnerving
youre not thunderclapping at all
youre not supposed to be doing all these executes, its like youre using it in place of the other 2 attacks which have a higher prio
execute IS more damage than revenge on ST
but the number of revenges/executes in a given time should be way lower than the amount of casts of SS AND TC during that period
also swap instigate with unnerving
unnerving is big for rage intake when you LS
arctic marten
In Execute, isn't it Shield Slam, and then Execute to fish for a Shield Slam reset, and then Thunder Clap if no reset?
lusty grotto
SS > TC > Execute
^
you literally swap out revenge with execute
thats it
our rage generators have higher prio
always
especially something like TC which is a rage generator AND can reset SS
with strategist which everyone should have
and you do too
cerulean tusk
You would use TC over exe, even if you would ragecap?
lusty grotto
you arent gonna be capped cause youre IPing
pallid quiver
You can get close during all CDs time
But you should have soent more rage before going into all of them
pallid quiver
In Execute, isn't it Shield Slam, and then Execute to fish for a Shield Slam res...
You always want to prio generating rage so you can spend more rage overall
lusty grotto
yeah i mean it could be a habit just pressing execute over other abilities, you need to break that
arctic marten
Execute glows and is the cool, fun Warrior-flavour ability
lusty grotto
its too bad SL nerfed it to hitting like a wet noodle
a wet noodle that is better than revenge in execute phase, but thats it
well and the nerfs when DF released i guess
comp 
potent beacon
lusty tiger
💯
potent beacon
gzz
lusty tiger
gz
lusty grotto
gz brew !!
lusty tiger
potent beacon
holy fuck 580 pulls!
oof, thought we were bad at like 400
dusky canopy
We dealt with roster boss for about 400 of those honestly
potent beacon
ye, we also had roster issues. seems to be pretty common for sark
dusky canopy
Burnout started to happen with echo WA boss and then people started dropping left and right on sark
But we made it!
teal swift
@waxen frigate is this yours, if so whats this yellow thing
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> is this yours, if so whats this yellow thing
Yes that appears to be mine
That is your dodge chance
teal swift
okie dokie
waxen frigate
It will glow when you are over 100%
teal swift
okie dokie, does it tra ck purify brew charges (it looks great btw)
red otter
@waxen frigate ^ it looks good mind linking it?
waxen frigate
okie dokie, does it tra ck purify brew charges (it looks great btw)
directly next to the dodge tracker
waxen frigate
<@135532750890467329> ^ it looks good mind linking it?
idk if im allowed to but you can just search Nish on wago
red otter
Alright I'll look for it thanks
zinc iris
Ok big brain, what if the leggo is so good, you run it on Prot
teal swift
I found this @red otter Saw it had this dudes name
so i asked
@strong forum For upper M+ do we skip the gauntlet minigame?
jagged pier
Its nerfed
warm plinth
Good morning
pliant jolt
will alts need to do storylines in 10.2 for pathfinder?
opaque quest
Ok big brain, what if the leggo is so good, you run it on Prot <:xan:10941279797...
Did apb change his name or whats going on here
teal swift
will alts need to do storylines in 10.2 for pathfinder?
Historically just get all achieves, accountwide
blazing condor
will alts need to do storylines in 10.2 for pathfinder?
Usually account wide
opaque quest
@teal swift how was your disappointment box
glass umbra
Interesting vault 😄 probably taking the trinket
arctic marten
Is there a target count at which Revenge with Seismic Reverberation does more damage than Thunder Clap?
teal swift
Interesting vault 😄 probably taking the trinket
Go for mog
glass umbra
there is no mog, warrior tier is ugly as hell
errant leaf
guys how good is heart of thunder compared to dargruul and anvil ? in m+
jagged pier
bad
jagged pier
Is there a target count at which Revenge with Seismic Reverberation does more da...
not a question u need answering u dont use one of the other u use both as 1 is a rage gen which therefore is always higher prio and one is a rage spender to generally low prio
teal swift
@jagged pier where do the new crest enchanting recipes drop
jagged pier
🤷
bleak breach
I think they were just world content this tier weren’t they?
teal swift
Do people ever actually do this
jagged pier
yer thats the crafting system ppl are dumb
and never get stuff made because they dont give mats
hardy snow
yer thats the crafting system ppl are dumb
most of them arent dumb, just scammers hoping someone wont notice, before Blizz added notifications about using own mats there were much more of such "offers", after Blizz added proper notifications amount of such great offers surprisingly dropped 🤡
jagged pier
honestly dont under estimate how dumb the wow community is
uneven mason
most of them arent dumb, just scammers hoping someone wont notice, before Blizz ...
Imagine if they added filers when searching for orders to fill
bleak breach
It works if you pay heaps of money
Or if you have heaps of spare mats and want free level ups
uneven mason
Like "have pattern, has all mats"
errant leaf
is enduring dreadplate good for a defensive trinket or is it just ass
jagged pier
there arent really any good defensive trinkets
blazing condor
ive seen people use the stonescales from doti
ionic fern
I just had a prot warrior tank in game , doing a 14 NL.
They ASKED how they did.
They took advise, communicated, explained, listened.
What on earth.
That was a weird experience.
blazing condor
did they know who you were
lavish sphinx
Did they see your Main’s io?
ionic fern
Probably.
blazing condor
ive yet to see someone ask for constructive criticism
and i dont give out any unsolicited advice
lavish sphinx
Mwahi should buy a lotto ticket
silent vessel
nice avatar
blazing condor
now where's phil when we need him
dusky canopy
Do people ever actually do this
It gives skill ups so people will do it yeah, I will at least supply the mats though lol
nimble skiff
I just had a prot warrior tank in game , doing a 14 NL.
They ASKED how they did....
I do that after keys since I'm still green. I want to improve. I still need to figure out how to log.
blazing condor
you just download the WCL program then choose the combatlog directory
then just press go
basically
jagged pier
I do that after keys since I'm still green. I want to improve. I still need to f...
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
rigid schooner
did they bonk PTR 
nimble skiff
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that ...
You're a gentleman and a scholar, thanks. I'm assuming that's asked way too often
blazing condor
often enough to have a copypasta
blazing condor
idk what i think about the new loot system tbh
it feels worse getting out-rolled than not getting anything at all
inland raft
Well it’s actually almost exactly the same with only minor tweaks they just made you press a button whereas before you auto rolled on anything could use behind the scenes
But ya psychologically i can see how its worse maybe
blazing condor
im sure that logically you'd have a higher chance of getting loot this way
and ppl can roll for others
but psychologically yeah
it sucks getting your hopes up seeing that one very rare item drop
roll a 90
feel good
then someone rolls 94
nimble skiff
Is there an optimal use for ignore pain? Anytime I dip to 50% HP I panic spam it and rage dump like an idiot
I think I'm doing something wrong, I know I need a WA to track shield block better which is the first thing I'm going to get when I get home.
I find generally for the most part (except the first damn pull in FH) my HP never goes below 90%
Like do I just keep IP rolling, cause I noticed sometimes it goes to 0 absorb and that's why I'm asking
blazing condor
The only time people really focus on using a lot of IP is if there's no blockable damage (aka magic damage) that keeps hurting. Otherwise if you play optimally you usually have full IP all the time because you use it so often to dump rage/fuel your rotation
nimble skiff
Alright so it sounds like I need to stop panic spamming it
blazing condor
it should be seen more as a "dump rage" button than "defensive survivability" button
if you get below 50% there's better buttons to press
nimble skiff
I need a couple of WAs set up, I definitely need to track my last stand and shield wall, cause last stand pops shield wall iirc
And I think I'm doubling up on shield wall
blazing condor
track uptime on your stuff is definitely good yeah
its good to track outburst/seeing red as well
so you dont accidentally lose out on rage by using outburst on a thunder clap
nimble skiff
I'm learning about more optimizations I need to make as I tank more. 18 FH was a shitshow last night, but the group overall was messing up. 18 VP was smooth sailing however so it's hard to tell
blazing condor
a lot of tanking m+ is also just experience/being comfortable with the dungeons
so its not a 1:1 in how well you play your class and how well the keys go
ppl dont do it enough but a good way to actually improve is to go hit training dummies for a while
to make sure you get good CPM / use the right abilities / dont waste rage etc etc etc
nimble skiff
Tyrannical seems easier, lol
pallid quiver
I need a couple of WAs set up, I definitely need to track my last stand and shie...
Just need to correct this, with Bolster, Last Stand gives shield block, not Bolster. The only talent that does something like this is Immovable Object, one of the choice nodes under Avatar that makes Avatar and Shield Wall grant the other effect has like half duration or effect or something
which is also outclassed by Unstoppable Force, because that gives you a lot more rage to cycle for AM purposes
teal swift
It gives skill ups so people will do it yeah, I will at least supply the mats th...
Yeah i aint covering dracothysts fuck that noise
I lowkey feel bad, but it doesnt matter they can recraft next week
timid thicket
Gearing alts is pretty nych pointless now right? Since there is 441 gear from new zone and +2 will drop 441 if I understand correct
uneven mason
Imagine putting a 5k commission on a public crafting order
I put like 200g, because I know 99% chance I'm getting it recrafted
At least you 4starred it
sharp ruin
guys u think we will play with into the fray or hr? maybe we will have enough haste to play with into the fray?
uneven mason
Fuck these nicotine replacement taste like shit
sharp ruin
cause i think with into the fray we will do quite more damage
uneven mason
guys u think we will play with into the fray or hr? maybe we will have enough ha...
We have the haste for itf now
But it requires management
So, most people just run hr because you can go full smoothbrain
uneven mason
And it's not that much more damage
Although the higher our haste, the stronger itf becomes because haste is multiplicative
jagged pier
do ppl not read the pins
silent vessel
they dont
uneven mason
No
uneven mason
Yellow name toxicity
sharp ruin
oh ok thx , sorry i didn't noticed that 😄
uneven mason
sharp ruin
yeah i mean just write check pins , sorry man if i didn't
silent vessel
uneven mason
We don't want to be like the DK or dh discord where they kick you and your kitten if you ask something that's in the pins
sharp ruin
man i just don't why if i didn't read that can't ask
just ignore me next time if it makes you so angry , sorry dude
@ and take your valium
jagged pier
im not angry
uneven mason
jagged pier
just rather ppl follow the rules they agree to or the guidelines shown to them when they join the server and the channel
timid thicket
When you get pathfinder are you gonna go old school or keep dragonriding? Surely dragonriding is significantly faster right
jagged pier
it makes blue, orange and yellow lives easier if u check the pins
sharp ruin
so if i ask a thing without checking pins before is breaking some rules? ok man sorry again i didn't check pins , i just asked 1 thing
uneven mason
Why would you not dragonriding
sharp ruin
mb
jagged pier
so we dont spend all our time answering questions we have already anaswered 1000 times
uneven mason
so we dont spend all our time answering questions we have already anaswered 1000...
But it's the only time I get to talk to people 
uneven mason
When you get pathfinder are you gonna go old school or keep dragonriding? Surely...
I think the Pathfinder is for certain classes who miss their ability to not go splat
jagged pier
its for bots
uneven mason
That's not wrong
timid thicket
never thought about that, must have been a pain to code bots to dragonride
jagged pier
well its not like they made this for bots
but its gunna help them 
its for players than dont like/cant dragon fly
and trust me there are players that cant dragonfly
silent vessel
what
uneven mason
Can't wait for the awakened market to tank even further
silent vessel
how
wind oak
Skill issue
jagged pier
you over estimating the ability of your average wow player
uneven mason
Jakey isn't wrong
wind oak
You didnt see the forum post?
silent vessel
monka
pallid quiver
Yeah, there's just some people who just can't manage it or just go mega slow while dragon flying
It was super funny seeing this in Notgood last season
nimble skiff
Wait. Should I change ITF to HR for more survivability since idk what I'm doing?
uneven mason
They haven't mastered the lift off yet
pallid quiver
Wait. Should I change ITF to HR for more survivability since idk what I'm doing?
In current season? No
silent vessel
like pressing the one button 2 times?
pallid quiver
It's just really a stat choice
uneven mason
Wait. Should I change ITF to HR for more survivability since idk what I'm doing?
It's just easier to play but if you're doing near 20s your doing fine
And
jagged pier
no okay so u need 3 block talent currently to get 100% uptime
uneven mason
Our set bonus requires bolster
nimble skiff
Ah I see
blazing condor
yep
nimble skiff
I'm sorry I'm a smooth brain trying to shield slam some wrinkles into my brain
pallid quiver
The only benefit you get from HR then is some rage
Not quite worth the talent point
blazing condor
I'm sorry I'm a smooth brain trying to shield slam some wrinkles into my brain
its good that you ask questinos and want to improve 
waxen frigate
Questinos
uneven mason
*below 5400haste
waxen frigate
Sounds like a restaurant
jagged pier
yo where u get your extra 2 score?
waxen frigate
Don’t worry about it
jagged pier
k
nimble skiff
I'll have to check to see my haste tonight. I think I logged out in fury gear
waxen frigate
(Carried critcake and dorki and Naowh and growl and jb and max and all of echo)
uneven mason
pallid quiver
I'll have to check to see my haste tonight. I think I logged out in fury gear
You almost guaranteed won't have the haste required for ITF without Bolster,
But you'll be using Bolster anyway in the immediate timeframe
timid thicket
445 ilvl, stopped after doing all 20s this season, what can is a reasonable level to expect to reach week one next season? Are 20s puggable you think?
jagged pier
not for the average player
blazing condor
yeah base 20s should be doable first week
jagged pier
gear is jumping further next season so the gap is bigger
so dungeon week 1 gunna be harder
rugged mural
Safe to assume these are both kind of bad?
timber nest
TalismN is good
blazing condor
none of those are optimal
raid trinkets are way better
defensive trinkets are doodoo this patch
teal swift
Wheres the build for idiots like me, who push random buttons at random times
plush tendon
fierce moss
Safe to assume these are both kind of bad?
the uldaman trinket seems like the worst tank trinket in m+ history
fierce moss
how come we're having so many questions regarding mage tower latetly
not much going on until the patch, wanted to catch up on some stuff. have the spelltome but thought the warr xmog looked good and was shocked when it was taking so long to kill variss
waxen frigate
Safe to assume these are both kind of bad?
Resonator is literal turbo ultra mega dogshit
Talisman is solid for a defensive trink
blazing condor
waxen frigate
<:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
Nah it’s worse
blazing condor
lazy mods dont update the emotes
blazing condor
wym i love being slow
strong forum
Safe to assume these are both kind of bad?
Just because Its fun to do let me explain how good inexorable resonator is
It has stamina, so equipping that over a trinket with strength means you lose roughly 6% dmg and surv
It has an effect that only has a chance to counterattack for 12 seconds when you procced it by dropping below 20% hp, roughly translating into 300dps and hps
So not only are you losing 6% raw mainstat and dmg you also lose up to 7k dps from the effect alone.
Making that roughly a dps loss of 15k or more
It is without a doubt the worst trinket wow has ever had in like the last 4 expansions combined
waxen frigate
